outlaw

[keen belfry]

heres a perfect example, i would guess it wouldve been better to dispatc at 7, ss to proc coup, then ps maybe? idk its probably super irrelevant @gaunt phoenix

but i send that extra ss all the time

[gaunt phoenix]

i wouldnt press ss at 7cp myself

[strong halo]

ill send a small clip

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel what u pressing here? i do both for no rhyme or reason just vibes

[gaunt phoenix]

no way ss at 7cp is worth

[keen belfry]

i agree

i just

sub 6 coups are sad to me

[gaunt phoenix]

stop thinking

[keen belfry]

😦

[gaunt phoenix]

You have 6 yellow buffs at 40s and didnt roll

[keen belfry]

wanna know why

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issue ?

[keen belfry]

i had to pick between SC ks or rerolling there

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[strong halo]

Ignore rotation im just trying to proc and see WA

[keen belfry]

i will basically never sc a ks anymore

out of principle

[strong halo]

I KS get 3 stacks basically and then how do i play around the 20 sec cd showing

[keen belfry]

this happens way more than id like to admit with the awang no sc ks rule

[strong halo]

I put WA in middle of screen detached

[dawn talon]

i only sc ks if i cant help it bc

it pisses me off

[keen belfry]

i legit basically never do, like i genuinely actively thought im going to not roll before 39 because i dont want to sc ks

i have 2 vibes rules i play

[gaunt phoenix]

the cooldown is just one possible avenue to get to a guaranteed unseen blade proc

if it happens to tick down to zero

[dawn talon]

rerolling 6 buffs above 39 feels good more than sc ks feels bad

[gaunt phoenix]

otherwise it doesnt matter

[dawn talon]

to me

[sharp hinge]

solo are there any new updates with rogue

[keen belfry]

awang 2 vibes rules:
coup at 6/7 (6 7 meme) even if means overcapping cps with one extra ss
no sc ks

[strong halo]

hmmm wouldnt it make more sense to track the build up then rather than the UB? UB tracker by itself doesnt seem to be enough for me to make a decision off of that?

[keen belfry]

you make decisions based off both

[strong halo]

this WA seems to have it all in one

[keen belfry]

i have 2 UB procs ready, im 1/4 for coup (aka i cant get a coup before my next vanish) so i just play the game kinda like trickster doesnt exist right here

[balmy topaz]

Isn't UB WA going next patch?

[keen belfry]

2+1 != 4

[strong halo]

yeah so you "can" vanish here and your good

but if u had 2 stacks youd send coup and then vanish

[dawn talon]

i was going to say 6 7 if you didn't

[strong halo]

if you can do so without losing AR

[dawn talon]

good looks

i think this chat too old for that one tho bro

[keen belfry]

im in no rush to send out ss here yes, while i still press SS here (its because no ps procs and not aoe) im not sending these SS for coup

[gaunt phoenix]

you track UB because you prioritize SS when UB is guaranteed, as opposed to pistol shot

[jolly geyser]

who knows

[gaunt phoenix]

So the tracker shows you when UB is guaranteed, exactly when it needs to do

[strong halo]

How can i get taht version of the WA? it seems much more practical than the one linked in pack

[dawn talon]

ts is actually kinda funny now icl

i was hating on 6 7 too much

[keen belfry]

and here, i can get to 4 based on escalating and unseen blade

@gaunt phoenix i rerolled here dw

[strong halo]

ty for walking me through this, makes sense to me

[keen belfry]

promise solo promise

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

What is that eviscerate icon

[keen belfry]

gs

[jolly geyser]

I would like zac wa's but they look shit

[gaunt phoenix]

Rude !

[strong halo]

@keen belfry is your version of the WA on Waigo? or is it custom

[keen belfry]

gs might be ugliest icon in game

[gaunt phoenix]

I think its in zac pack

@strong halo

[keen belfry]

are you talking just the unseen blade tracker or my whole pack

unseen tracker is in zac pack as solo says

[strong halo]

just the UB

which is different than the one in WA pack list

yours is more complete and makes sense

or Zacs rather

[keen belfry]

zac should post that i would feel criminal posting that as my own

[gaunt phoenix]

Its yours now

[strong halo]

fak how do i carve out this specific piece of his ui

[keen belfry]

here one sec

let me log in

[gaunt phoenix]

Click green arrow

To shove it outside the group

Delete group and children

[strong halo]

Yeah but ill have to download whole pack and carve it no?

yeah

[dawn talon]

i cant play with icons that aren't square

the like clipped rectangular icons drive me crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

Thats very normal and takes 18 seconds

[keen belfry]

what is zacs ratio of his icons

mine are 38 width 30 height

[keen belfry]

these look squareish no?

https://wago.io/Xyp2SVXW2 i gave zac credit

[gaunt phoenix]

Lmfao

[strong halo]

you the goat goat

[zealous plinth]

How do you guys use Magnet in keys? You get stacks first or just use on cd?

[strong halo]

i tried carving it out and it was kinda broken ty for doing it for me awang

[keen belfry]

how ever u want as long as u dont overcap

[keen belfry]

did the one i linked work

[strong halo]

yeah

[proper berry]

how are we feeling for m+ in 11.2 on ptr?

[strong halo]

love zac, hate his smaller icons

[proper berry]

any good reference I can look at

[balmy topaz]

It's okay

tunign and KS need sorting

[proper berry]

is it similar to our current performance in meta?

[balmy topaz]

Bit early to say

as again tuning is TBC

[vivid vessel]

I only press at 7 cp on the opener with 2 vanish so I can go into vanish faster, otherwise you are doing nothing for too long, wasting cdr

[keen belfry]

the burning crusade

[balmy topaz]

Exactly

we be doing 10k dps

[keen belfry]

makes sense, maybe i should remove the vibes coup from awang-faq-rules

solo convinced me a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

Skill issued it seems

[keen belfry]

bad procs

lag

not me

[gaunt phoenix]

Tier bugged and energy bugged

[keen belfry]

i think

i was inting prepull

i would rtb before AR

massive energy loss no?

[vivid vessel]

What

[gaunt phoenix]

thats fine

[keen belfry]

does it make sense

like

[gaunt phoenix]

But you should prepull supercharger way before pull and AR Rtb

[vivid vessel]

Well there is no reason to rtb after

Since you are supposed to rtb after pull

You do the same with ADR

So rtb ADR is troll

[keen belfry]

how does AR energy work

[vivid vessel]

You aren't in ADR gcd

If you rtb adr

So l

And you lose nothing doing ADR rtb

Strop trolling awang

You lost 0.3s GCD for free

[gaunt phoenix]

It adds +50 maximum so you begin at 100/150

[keen belfry]

yeah!

that matters no?

[gaunt phoenix]

How so

[keen belfry]

like, i never felt out of energy so much during my first crackshot

than on tuesday

[strong halo]

FML

[keen belfry]

but i just might be forgetting how outlaw felt in raid

[strong halo]

when i deleted the zac pack it deleted my combo points wa i had setup

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

u prob just had a bad pull or two of FF rng

[keen belfry]

i might just be trolling too

[glass mortar]

reminder to delete or remove rng from FF

[keen belfry]

it was many many pulls but i might just be trolling

[glass mortar]

[jolly geyser]

I cant even see the wa awang posted

[keen belfry]

like my first crackshots being BTE, SS SS BTE ... SS

felt so wrong

[keen belfry]

focus up

[jolly geyser]

where is it supposed to be?

[gaunt phoenix]

Trickster bullshit

[keen belfry]

ohn i wonder if i posted it with weird anchoring again

[balmy topaz]

Yeah that one you posted

It is in narnia

Top left hand corner

[keen belfry]

yeah its in a dynamic group in my pack so im guessing its cooked standalone

how to change that

[balmy topaz]

um

Idk I just moved it

It was easy enough for me to move

[jolly geyser]

lol thanks man

[strong halo]

this is what i did too, but i also fucked up my combo points

[keen belfry]

download his combo point standalone wa

[strong halo]

yeah did that again but i gotta make it look like mine again

[strong halo]

look at this beauty

[sharp hinge]

so are we still shit on PTR?

[vale warren]

Always and forever

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-goddammit-damn-hitmans-bodyguard-hitmans-bodyguard-gifs-gif-8352668

[glass mortar]

nothing has changed to change that so

[lone crow]

[vivid vessel]

That's because it add maximum, doesn't fill it, so you start at 100, without alacrity, without any CTO, no buffs already rolling, and you have to rtb gs which is already a full energy bar, + SS if unlucky and you are in negative energy already, forced to take an energy loan to the big pharmas

[sharp hinge]

too busy working on hunter and dk changes, making spriest spells look prettier

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel did i tell u i had a vision the other day

that blizzard decided to finally give dks a raid buff

and the raid buff was 4% haste

outlaw needed to make a seperate raid only itemization set to gear around the raid buff

anyway wheres the dk changes blizzard

[vivid vessel]

[sharp hinge]

dks shouldve been deleted when the lich king died

how you gonna let a woman hunter kill you

[keen belfry]

😮

[glass mortar]

i dont quite remember it that way

[idle remnant]

What buffs did rogue get?

[sudden fulcrum]

one button rotation applies pvp poisons now

that's HUGE

[sharp hinge]

i remember her taking his helmet from him and crushing it

[glass mortar]

oh you mean bolvar

not original lk

[sharp hinge]

yeah the recent lich king

[vale warren]

Og got owned by a dude he put in an ice cube

[sharp hinge]

lul see

delete dks they arent worthy

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMsdJXQSuE zorthas videos are so well made

dude is goated ngl

[lone crow]

when i was learning enhance last season

his short vids straight to the point vids were so op

[idle remnant]

Next season in every pug = "We don't have a monk so we can't take outlaw"

[frail veldt]

your flurry bar is yuge

is that just for duration?

[vivid vessel]

ye i stumble upon one of his video from time to time

[strong halo]

anyone have a simple melee enemy count WA? i tried to create one from scratch its kinda weird

[vivid vessel]

always impressed at how much works he seems to put in

[sharp hinge]

i really hope we arent tuned around class buffs

[vivid vessel]

I mean

it felt that way this season already

so

i just accepted imma be locked into a phys comp forever

outlaw without its raid buffs is doing 15 to 20% less damage

i dont think thats like

[idle remnant]

Well, it's even worse now and discussed a lot more

[vivid vessel]

acceptable

but i also dont care anymore

i will just make a phys comp every season

and try to work with that

outlaw hasnt been meta in a while anyway

[idle remnant]

If rogue does 20% more, then gets nerfed insta.
If rogue does 20% less, then it's too shit to be invited

=

Always physical comp no matter what

[vivid vessel]

outside of s3 df

when it wasnt even meta anyway

[sharp hinge]

do we just all switch to ranged classes or what

[vivid vessel]

no

[vale warren]

Gotta subliminally convince one of my buddies he REALLY wants to play ww

[vivid vessel]

you just play outlaw and never invite magicians

[idle remnant]

Tbh Rogue got lots of pity invites in places like Rookery

[vivid vessel]

thats how it works

[jolly geyser]

I was gonna say legion,but it was ptr

[hybrid crown]

Outlaw is still going to be the best pug key spec

[sharp hinge]

[late swallow]

i beat his DH on my hunter in a shitter s1 vault key

[idle remnant]

Getting a full phys comp from LFG that are equally skilled is kinda hard though

[jolly geyser]

do you even wanna be meta anyway?

[vivid vessel]

nope

[idle remnant]

And with same schedules etc.

[vivid vessel]

i wanna be like it is rn

outlaw isnt meta

but its meta

thats how i wanna be

every season

ty blizzard

[late swallow]

ross and zac should start a podcast together

one of them speaks arabic and the other french

[dawn talon]

ok but it was already completely unplayable without phys comp it functionally makes no difference

[late swallow]

completely unintelligible

ryukage translates

[dawn talon]

the algerian audience will love this

[jolly geyser]

and we talk shit

[idle remnant]

That's a weird argument.

"It was already shit, and they made it more shit. So there is no difference"

Well they could make it less shit?

[vivid vessel]

yo

thats like killing spree rework

[dawn talon]

it's a functional non-change

[vivid vessel]

it was mega shit they made it a bit less shit

still shit

[dawn talon]

phys classes will always be played in phys comps

[vale warren]

Wasn't there some shit in BFA where you could get consumables for the raid buffs you didn't have that were like a little bit worse

[dawn talon]

the only relevant change would be completely removing raid buffs which they're not going to do or making the buffs not rely on damage type which would be boring

just put the phys comp in the bag if u want to push on a phys spec

[balmy topaz]

Ye

[frail veldt]

great vid

[late swallow]

kinda cool to see feral doing so well too

[idle remnant]

Nah, pugging 18-19s without phys was possible, now it's less possible

[vale warren]

Honorary rogue spec

[hollow temple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268366812612263937/1392836964658450453/image.png?ex=6870fc02&is=686faa82&hm=03537f7da89b09b1a6483729f1c16a14bd1e19e5bd517c66e9cadfcdf8f688ff&

[dawn talon]

i mean yea u could troll urself for no reason and succeed

but why

[glass mortar]

this was also a fever dream i had

empower kspree

[idle remnant]

Not being maximum optimal is trolling?

[hollow temple]

[vale warren]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[late swallow]

empower spree would be so based

[glass mortar]

your character just stands there aura farming for 2s as you max out the empower then unloads 20 shots instantly

[late swallow]

it's a mewing animation

[dawn talon]

-1 relevant slot in your group for everyone else and -15% damage is trolling ya

[glass mortar]

unironically empower is less cringe then channel because u can spellqueue off of it in a way, but i think it would still play way worse

i think both feel kinda meh for outlaw

[frail veldt]

is this real?

[glass mortar]

grok is this real

[frail veldt]

I havent finished my coffee yet

[hollow temple]

Are you real?

[vale warren]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-meme-smirk-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-11885783305913878074

[frail veldt]

am I a fish is the real question

[hollow temple]

So no then

[azure vortex]

everytime i ctrl+f in the wowhead website

[vivid vessel]

yep

[idle remnant]

Even in 18s it's almost never only full meta, but the less meta or the more raid buffs your class needs, the less you get invited.

With everyone losing their shit with the -8% DPS from Mystic. You are going to get invited to 2/100 keys, instead of 5/100 with -5%.

[glass mortar]

i mean it seems unlikely we will ever be tuned better then we were in df s3/current season m+

with modern blizzard

[frail veldt]

well we said that in s3

[glass mortar]

and even then outlaw was never meta

[frail veldt]

until current season

[glass mortar]

well wdym

[frail veldt]

so its happened twice in 4 seasons

[glass mortar]

outlaw in s3 was tuned higher then current season imo?

[frail veldt]

50% chance

[glass mortar]

similar in keys but raid was stronger

[frail veldt]

eh

barely

[glass mortar]

so that still holds tru

[idle remnant]

It could be possible, if buffs weren't 20% of Outlaw's DPS

[frail veldt]

50%

[glass mortar]

nah solidly

[frail veldt]

naaaah no shot

[vivid vessel]

i think its just that now we play full raid buffs

[frail veldt]

eh I guess maybe yeah

[vivid vessel]

in s3 we were only playing monk

[frail veldt]

it was

[glass mortar]

mewo

[vivid vessel]

so baseline was higher

prolly

[glass mortar]

triple outlaw comps were doing the same or higher dps as the meta dps people

that means no raid buffs

[frail veldt]

yeah u right

[glass mortar]

sure outlaw on live with full physical comp

[frail veldt]

but still

[glass mortar]

probably stronger

[frail veldt]

my point is that this seasons tuning

[vivid vessel]

ye s3 was higher

[glass mortar]

my point is

[frail veldt]

was pretty "fair"

considering

how bad we are in raid

[glass mortar]

i think we have peaked tuning wise prob

[frail veldt]

and we still crank in m+

[glass mortar]

and outlaw still not meta

[frail veldt]

and blizz is so stupid and bad

[glass mortar]

i think spec is meta proof with this design

[frail veldt]

they wont nerf our m+ performance

I bet

[glass mortar]

so basically buff us more

[frail veldt]

so I think if they tune around raid

[glass mortar]

why not

[frail veldt]

like they normally do

[glass mortar]

we will never be fotm

!!

[frail veldt]

cuz thats how they do it

[hollow temple]

That was never supposed to happen anyway

[frail veldt]

we will be strong again

as long as our tuning in raid is around trickster

I think the WORST possible thing

for outlaw

would be that fatebound is the raid spec

then we get nerfed around fatebound

which indirectly nerfs trickster

[glass mortar]

ya i agree with that for sure

[frail veldt]

then were bad in m+

so EVERYONE

EVERYONE

[glass mortar]

currently even if we get an aura buff we are gearing up to be back in s1 mode

[frail veldt]

play tfickster

in raid

its our only hope

for good tuning in m+

[glass mortar]

fatebound tuned fine for raid, dog in m+

trickster dog st, good in m+

[frail veldt]

^^^

exactly

[glass mortar]

which is just bleah

[frail veldt]

but if they nerf our shared abilities

between fatebound and trickster

you end up with s1

[idle remnant]

Most of the classes you need for a "physical comp" are already snowflake/off-meta pretty much every season

Brew < Lol
Outlaw
Feral < Lol
Fury/Arms < Lol
RSham

[frail veldt]

where trickster is unplayably bad

[idle remnant]

Good luck getting a team from these

[dawn talon]

you're saying that like

you cannot play

[glass mortar]

tbf tricksters tuning in s1 wasnt as bad as we made it out to be, it was like 6-8% behind st? (i think its more on ptr lol)

but who tf is playing this version of kspree

[vivid vessel]

i think the funniest thing would be if they nerf the tier set for sub

[glass mortar]

if ur that bad at st

[dawn talon]

bear outlaw ww fury rsham
prot outlaw enh feral mw

[vivid vessel]

and that end up nerfing it for outlaw

[dawn talon]

etc

[glass mortar]

its why we never touched it

zac i have now heard of a multitude of tier sets worth 30%+ dps

[vivid vessel]

i know lol

i told you

[glass mortar]

so i feel like we are on the bottom end of the spectrum rn

[vivid vessel]

the baseline of tier set this tier is higher

[frail veldt]

yeah I hear warlocks is like this

[vivid vessel]

i said that last time

[glass mortar]

tier set wise

[vivid vessel]

and guy

clowned on me

[glass mortar]

rogue nerfs wuld be crazy

[idle remnant]

Also snowflakes though?

[vivid vessel]

except

[glass mortar]

tier set nerfs even

[vivid vessel]

im not clueless

so

[dawn talon]

ok but having more permutations of the same classes

[glass mortar]

and i get it, it doesnt rlly matter because this is last season of the expac

[dawn talon]

makes it substantially easier

[glass mortar]

so like if ur tier set is 30%

w/e, ur next tuning will be a literal new expansion

[idle remnant]

There are 2 bears in title range in EU 😄

[glass mortar]

new power level baseline etc

[gaunt phoenix]

dont remind me that this xpac is over soon

it just started

[idle remnant]

And these bears are also only full phys comp

[vivid vessel]

yo, i wanna remind you we went an entire expact with 0 iterations on hero trees

how you feeling cuh

[idle remnant]

It's not like you can just snipe a bear for yourself from LFG

[dim parrot]

It’s ok player housing to take our minds off rogue reworks

[glass mortar]

rogue community housing block ayooo

all non rogues can pay a haste tax to gain entry

[dawn talon]

im gonna be level with you

[glass mortar]

😠

[dawn talon]

they do not give a fuck about title range

especially not title range pugs for onetricks

you are a small subset of a small subset of a small subset

[idle remnant]

I mean what are you even discussing then? You can do weeklies with 5x healers as well

[dawn talon]

yes im sure either of us could

but the paste eaters can't

and they are the ones spending money

the game has to be tuned in a way where those people can derive enjoyment from keys in the 10-12 range

or mythic+ is an unviable system

[idle remnant]

Okay, I for one don't want to play in a comp that can't reach title keys in a highly specific comp in an organized voice chat group

Sorry, but if you can't get title with your comp, it sucks

[vivid vessel]

i think any random comp can get title

[frail veldt]

id argue all comps can get title

I mean

all comps with a healer tank and 3 dps

maybe not like 3 augs or something

[idle remnant]

Paladin, Aug, Surv, Spriest, Holy

[frail veldt]

yeah

probably

this season doesnt have that many like hard 1 shot checks

like in previous ones

so the comp flexibility is wider

[keen belfry]

wanna know whats best about phys comp

5kicks

legit such chill pulls

much easier to pull off in pugs

[vivid vessel]

not even enough btw

2 casters in modern wow

requite 3 kicks each

[frail veldt]

paladin is like the 2nd most popular tank in high keys isnt it?

[vivid vessel]

which is wild

[keen belfry]

yeah agree but still

so much better than disc/boomy

and man, we can just tank fireballs

[sudden fulcrum]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[idle remnant]

Not at all

[frail veldt]

yeah adding more casts didnt actually value kick classes that much more

[idle remnant]

There are 5 prots in title range in the world right now

[frail veldt]

cuz even with a high kick class youre still so far below the requirement

[idle remnant]

And these guys game since start of the season

2 augs, like 2 Spriest etc.

[vivid vessel]

i mean its the opposite lo l

[frail veldt]

yeah

[idle remnant]

And they play full meta with the rest

[frail veldt]

its so dumb

blizzard is back asswards

[idle remnant]

Rank 1 Prot Pala has 18 PSF

[frail veldt]

yeah but I think this is a manifestation of selection bias more than capacity

[idle remnant]

I mean LOL

[frail veldt]

the unpopularity of a spec at high ranks is not equivalent to its ability to be there

[idle remnant]

No, Pala is extremely popular

[frail veldt]

ret is

[idle remnant]

No, Prot is

[upper surge]

@vivid vessel

[frail veldt]

no ret is

[keen belfry]

the players that push title reroll off prot pala is mewos point @idle remnant

[frail veldt]

prot pala is about the same as other tanks at 15+

[vivid vessel]

holy shmoke !

thanks a lot cuh

i feel validated and accepted

[upper surge]

Updated just for you

Fury warriors are free

[frail veldt]

yeah exactly

wow players are very meta decision driven

so like for mage for example

if fire is 5-10% better than the other two specs

you see 90% of mages play fire

that doesnt mean fire is 90% better

[keen belfry]

there would instantly be 100x prot palas in title if 1 month ago every top player stopped playing vdh (even with no tuning changes)

[frail veldt]

if title was spec based

[idle remnant]

There are always and forever players who play their class no matter what, and considering how popular Prot is, them not being able to even do 19 PSF shows how bad it is

[frail veldt]

so you had to be top 0.1% of your spec

youd see a VASTLY different playerbase

[idle remnant]

Prot Pala is the hunter of tanks

[keen belfry]

yes and no, but title is often determined by rerollers

[dawn talon]

these people are just less common than you'd think

[frail veldt]

yeah but it doesnt take much for prot to be slightly better than dh

and for it to be 50% of tanks

thats my point

you cant determine how far behind prot is from vdh just by popularity

because its a feedback loop system

anything more htan 5% behind and a spec will fall in popularity significantly

[keen belfry]

rerollers own m+ as thats kinda required (not 100% required but if you pushing bleeding edge content small %s matter)

[frail veldt]

to some steady state of only the players who main the spec left

[idle remnant]

There are 4x more Brews in title range than Palas, and Brew is far less popular overall

[keen belfry]

mhm and i ask you, why do you think that is

[frail veldt]

its literally the rabit and foxes population equation

[idle remnant]

Pala is just so much more worse, that their higher population of off meta players is irrelevant

[frail veldt]

any small increase in survivability of rabits or increase in hunting ability of foxes can decimate the population of the other

[keen belfry]

you do know there is a off meta "meta" comp going around, which inflates this number

[frail veldt]

yeah but you can really only make this argument subjectively

at which point we can just agree to disagree

since you really cant analyze the data to say prots bad

for the reasons I explained

[lime lake]

brewmasters are unfortunately simply better hunters than prot pallys and so consume the smaller, weaker spec

[frail veldt]

all you can say is prots worse than dh

you really cant say by how much

[idle remnant]

The question was, what is the worst tank - it's prot pala

[frail veldt]

how have you done anything to prove that

and also that wasnt even the question

the question was "can you get title as any comp"

[idle remnant]

Dudu, War are also more represented in title range

[frail veldt]

lol

[dim parrot]

Who cares tbh

[keen belfry]

we do spooge

touch grass cuh

[frail veldt]

l0olol

[dim parrot]

lol

[keen belfry]

its cool and fun to care about stupid things sometimes

[dim parrot]

Let’s complain about rogue hero trees instead maybe rogue dev is listening today

[frail veldt]

lol thats like the entire existence of wow

people caring too much about stupid things

[keen belfry]

mhm

i love this stupid ass game

[frail veldt]

im fine with it

same

[dawn talon]

wow players have this crazy aversion to just launching their game

and playing it

[frail veldt]

who says im not sitting in lfg hell and yapping in disc

[keen belfry]

i was logged in all day yesterday during work, didnt do a single piece of content

[frail veldt]

thats where most of my disc yapping happens

[keen belfry]

i think i get to attempt 1-3 20s a week

[dawn talon]

dude i was playing ow during work yday

and played maybe

4 games

[sharp hinge]

how is ret even still meta

[covert kestrel]

but mount farming

[frail veldt]

id rather die

[keen belfry]

i did my one icc run this week

[frail veldt]

I think my least favorite thing to do in wow

is old content

[idle remnant]

I meant Prot

[covert kestrel]

its chill af, just mind off and throw on a tv show, get some mogs and mounts.

notlike im tryna sweat in keyz rn

[frail veldt]

it just feels like work

I like doing my rotation

any content where I cant do my rotation

I hate

[covert kestrel]

fair

[keen belfry]

bf not working

makes me want to punch walls

with my head

[jolly geyser]

I dislike doing my best 24/7 feels like work

so I farm stuff

[covert kestrel]

i have an army of alts from panda remix so i dont fuck with outlaw farming

[frail veldt]

yeah thats when I just stop playing haha

[jolly geyser]

fair

wow is for several people

[frail veldt]

but I also dont have that much time to game in general

[jolly geyser]

pick your poison

[dawn talon]

ye i just launch nubbys or something if i dont want to put 100% effort in

[frail veldt]

so I gotta make the most of it when im on

[dawn talon]

playing anything i play seriously and not trying feels rly weird to me

[keen belfry]

can someone explain what zorthas is proposing in his video

am i dumb

[dawn talon]

idk i needed more subway surfers to watch that one

ngl

[frail veldt]

not buffing mystic touch

cuz strong raid buffs are bad for the game

objectively

[jolly geyser]

stuff on 2 monitor, and I like mounts

[dawn talon]

he said a lot of nothing in that video

[sharp hinge]

rogue isnt a class you cant not try with

[frail veldt]

especially strong raid buffs that are only good for certain specs

[keen belfry]

his whole raid stance didnt make sense in my head

[keen belfry]

i agree

[jolly geyser]

tbf I dont slack in fyrakk skip, so you got me

[frail veldt]

his stance was just that raid buff strength isnt necessarily correlated with spec representation

[jolly geyser]

I solo everything else I need

[frail veldt]

he literally sums it up at the end

[covert kestrel]

im more about the mog farming rn, you can finish sets in like 2-3 runs, its sick

[dim parrot]

Being balanced around 8% mystic touch is true and bad

[frail veldt]

awang he was like as clear as can be hahhaha

[jolly geyser]

ye,should farm more but im enjoying other stuff/irl atm

[keen belfry]

i just dont get what hes arguing

his title seems wrong to me too

[covert kestrel]

enjoying summer like an IDIOT

[covert kestrel]

theres farming to be done

[keen belfry]

maybe im just being contrarian

[frail veldt]

thats what hes arguing

hes analyzing what could be the decision driver

[vivid vessel]

waht

you watched the whole video

[frail veldt]

and showing how if any of those listed things are the drivers

then theyre bad reasons

[vivid vessel]

and dont understand

[frail veldt]

he was like

[vivid vessel]

whazt is point is

[frail veldt]

REALLY clear

[keen belfry]

isnt it to just equal dh buff

[frail veldt]

he says why this is dumbb

[vivid vessel]

ok but no one cares about that

[frail veldt]

refer to this point

[vivid vessel]

no matter how bad a raid buff is you still take it anyway

because its high enough

[keen belfry]

and also, isnt he just making a BOAT LOAD of assumptions?

[vivid vessel]

even when bad

[frail veldt]

no

hes literally providing data

[frail veldt]

I mean his assumption

[vivid vessel]

you didnt watch the video

also thats just

[frail veldt]

which is pretty based in reality

[vivid vessel]

how wow works

lol

[frail veldt]

is that blizzard balances around raid performance

[vivid vessel]

you get buffed around your baseline in raid

[frail veldt]

and guess what

monks are in raid

[vivid vessel]

thats one of the reason m+ tuning is trash

[frail veldt]

so specs will get balanced around the buff

[keen belfry]

maybe im just being foreverguy rn

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

haha

[vivid vessel]

you are just being stupid

not even a contrarian

[frail veldt]

foreverguy would say something like

[keen belfry]

cuz i even agree why the f did monk buff get buffed

[frail veldt]

"nah im pretty sure this will lead to physical god comp"

[keen belfry]

but i think this is more of conversation on raid buffs, is that what hes saying

[frail veldt]

"isnt this what you always wanted zac?"

[jolly geyser]

tuning is gonna be shit,then get better ig or something,the usual

[frail veldt]

"how can you complain"

[vivid vessel]

haha

[frail veldt]

howd I do

[vivid vessel]

i ahve been a big raid buff hater forever tho

[frail veldt]

pretty accurate

[vivid vessel]

in m+

only this season my stance is different

but its just that

idk

without raid buffs there wouldnt be 2 comps rn

[keen belfry]

this is where i stand, we are arguing about mystic touch buff but we really should be arguing about raid buffs as a concept

[vivid vessel]

i think ?

idk

[keen belfry]

maybe thats my hangup

[frail veldt]

well this is a great litmus test for that stance

thats kinda the opportunity here

them buffing monk buff

[indigo token]

finally downed OAB last night

[frail veldt]

represents their misunderstanding of raid buffs place in the game

[indigo token]

super happy

[frail veldt]

and how it impacts things

[proven ocean]

Why are u calling everyone stupid often nowadays

U got issues or

[vivid vessel]

dont start with me

you are litteraly

r1

calling people stupid

[frail veldt]

tru

[proven ocean]

Ur the one whos getting offended by emotes

I didnt call u stupid

[mighty pivot]

is it fight'o'clock?

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

I cant even count the number of times zeross has called me dumb

[proven ocean]

If ur getting offended by emotes thats on tou

[frail veldt]

or hit me with the dentge

[jolly geyser]

we can call zac stupid when he has to do anything outside the m+/raid bubble.

[proven ocean]

its an emote tho

[vivid vessel]

ye you dont call people stupid you spam emotes everytime they say something

[frail veldt]

its just a prank bro

[vivid vessel]

emotes that clearly imply

[civic void]

Fight'o'clock but it's just every hour of the day

[vivid vessel]

they are dumb af

dont act

likel you dont know

waht you are doing

you stupid

[proven ocean]

Idk how you came up with that statement

[vivid vessel]

ok

[proven ocean]

I dodnt call you stupid or dimb

[vivid vessel]

trying to gaslight me

[proven ocean]

Your making up things

[vivid vessel]

im not stupid

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

see

[proven ocean]

I didnt say anything

[idle remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878

[vivid vessel]

ok

[lime lake]

[proven ocean]

Its just an emote

?

[vivid vessel]

yeye

[proven ocean]

Misclicked

[vivid vessel]

stfu

you absolute monkey

[frail veldt]

dont make me check your chat history zeross

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

one thing about nerfing chaos brand then buffing mystic touch being them contradicting themselves?

is that true? chaos brand buffs like, 70% of specs. making vdh buff op in ANY dung comp (aka vdh always meta)

you cant say the same for mystic touch right? cuz phys dmg is rarer

[frail veldt]

LOLOL

theres actually

so many more

than I thought

hahahahhaha

[keen belfry]

he said this but i dont think they are the same

but maybe im being udmb

again

[frail veldt]

they kind of are

[sharp hinge]

i said we solely keep raid buffs, FOR RAID

[frail veldt]

if you want more class diversity you should nerf all raid buffs

[vivid vessel]

buffing monk just lock down phys specs even more to be played with a monk

[frail veldt]

not try to buff the ones to increase diversity of hte underrepresented specs

[indigo token]

guys

housing renown

[frail veldt]

cuz raid buffs cause balancing anyway

[vivid vessel]

but tbh idk

[indigo token]

[vivid vessel]

cause again

this tier

[sharp hinge]

someone mentioned giving a 1% damage amp for each unique class within raid

[frail veldt]

and you either hope you dodge nerfs

[vivid vessel]

would the phys comp be a thing

without raid buffs

idk

[frail veldt]

or you pray to always play with your raid buff in m+

[idle remnant]

I mean phys damage having a higher buff means that they need the buff more.

Like you can invite a balance Druid without a Mage, but you can't invite Outlaw without Monk.

[keen belfry]

im struggling trying to say what i mean

cuz like guys i fuylly agree raid buffs are stupid

[sharp hinge]

give us our own raid buff then, not a stupid damage reduction that we only take in raid

[idle remnant]

YOU CALL ME STUPID!?

[indigo token]

how's rogues tuning looking going into S3

[vivid vessel]

guyyyys

[frail veldt]

well youre either syaing buffing monk buff will increase physical comp representation, decrease it, or it will remain the same

[vivid vessel]

tonight is mythic raid testing

crazy or

[frail veldt]

those are literally the 3 options

[keen belfry]

but comparing dh buff to monk buff isnt really even possible

[frail veldt]

low right now but its early

[sharp hinge]

@proven ocean says its shit

[frail veldt]

its the closest thing you can compare it to

heres the thing

awang

war buff

is 5% right?

[keen belfry]

mhm

[frail veldt]

and mage buff is 3% right?

[keen belfry]

mhm

[frail veldt]

so why dont we see more physical comps

[sharp hinge]

anyone know what the monk discord is saying about this?

[strong halo]

So how come when i look at dmg meter Coup de grace isnt doing more dmg then dispatch? is it only counting the dmg beyond dispatch?

[frail veldt]

if theres a stronger physical raid buff

in this current season

[keen belfry]

cuz uhhhh uymnmmmm

ummmmm

[frail veldt]

okay so if it isnt working now

[vivid vessel]

you press coup less than dispatc hor wdy m

[frail veldt]

why would buffing another physical raid buff fix it

[strong halo]

im talking about as in 1 hit

like my max hit

[idle remnant]

Monk buff will make physical comp stronger IF they don't balance around that Monk buff.

This is still BAD news because you will ALWAYS need a Monk then.

8% always
5% mostly
3% sometimes
1% never

[frail veldt]

is it maybe because any increase to physical raid buffs gets counteracted by raid tuning?

[vivid vessel]

its 3 hits

coup

not one

[keen belfry]

i dont think their goal is m+ comps right?

[frail veldt]

so whats their goal

[keen belfry]

monk buff = vdh buff in raid

[frail veldt]

is it to increase monk representation?

[keen belfry]

i dont think so

[frail veldt]

but monks already represented equally to vdh

[vivid vessel]

weird that we would care about that tho ?

[frail veldt]

so that cant be it

[vivid vessel]

no one raid without monk already

[strong halo]

ohhhh so 3 Coups = 1 dispatch equiv

[vivid vessel]

maybe in pickup raid

just cause its harder to find a monk

so people give up

[keen belfry]

is that because of solely pisstic touch tho?

[frail veldt]

yeah when you press dispatch with coup up it hits 3 times

[vivid vessel]

yes lol

[keen belfry]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

you play monk every tier every fight

[sharp hinge]

they probably just want people to play ww since not many people play it

[vivid vessel]

no matter how shit it is

if its really shit you play it tank

and thats it

[idle remnant]

100%

[keen belfry]

they have their other piss small raid buff things right?

[vivid vessel]

thats been a thing forever

[proven ocean]

Outlaw is turbo op in ptr atm

Looks bis

[frail veldt]

but both tank and healer monk have the buff

so that wouldnt resolve that at all

[vivid vessel]

btw ross

i wanna have a talk

you answer objectively

[proven ocean]

Later

[idle remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[vivid vessel]

without trolling

no rn

[proven ocean]

Not now

[fallow hinge]

is zeross calling everyone dumb again?

[vivid vessel]

it will be quick

[proven ocean]

Im driving

[vivid vessel]

no cap

ah ok

[proven ocean]

10 mins

[keen belfry]

impossible cuh

[vivid vessel]

well stop typing then

[frail veldt]

no he just made an insane claim that he doesnt do that

[vivid vessel]

wtf

[proven ocean]

Bfbbrb

[frail veldt]

which was instantly easy to prove wrong

[idle remnant]

Driving and sending a message every 5 picoseconds?

[fallow hinge]

[idle remnant]

Da fuck

[hollow temple]

[frail veldt]

roads are straight in uae

[stiff hawk]

Zerros in shambles

[keen belfry]

im going to be rank 1 NA rogue next season i think

i think wox needs to not play

[frail veldt]

not if I can help it

[keen belfry]

wox you here?

[frail veldt]

jk I dont have time sadly

[keen belfry]

ty

[frail veldt]

I might join a raid guild for the first time

[keen belfry]

wanna join mine

[frail veldt]

debating it

[keen belfry]

we are rank 1800

[frail veldt]

sure

we can compete on meters

[keen belfry]

ty

if you beat me its cause i raid lead if i win its cuz skill gap

ok?

[frail veldt]

sounds good

its cuz im bug abusing

obv

[keen belfry]

im down for that too

[frail veldt]

wait is this a bait

for you to get yoru whole guild to report me

ive seen thsi trick before

[keen belfry]

yes

[frail veldt]

shiet

im down still

[keen belfry]

we did our first reclear ever last night

30 pulls on mug

[fallow hinge]

Join me, I'd never report you

[keen belfry]

you sure you want in?

[frail veldt]

30 pulls over how many hours lol

[fallow hinge]

you'd have to migrate to EU tho

[frail veldt]

bro ive never even done CE

[keen belfry]

it was a full raid night and we killed vexie and mug

[frail veldt]

you sure you want me

im just a pugger

I think furthest ive gone is like 5/8 cuz I needed a trinket

[keen belfry]

we are the worst guild ever in the history of the world

but somehow 3 CEs in a row now

I BUILT THIS SHIT!

[frail veldt]

well the guild im in rn with my irl buddies is still progging

I dont raid with them

but thats my standard

[hybrid crown]

Raid leading as outlaw sounds so difficult

[keen belfry]

this was a mickey mouse tier

[hybrid crown]

That's kinda crazy

[late swallow]

hard r

[frail veldt]

its okay I pug I can say that

[keen belfry]

its not fun i sacrifice a fair amount of dps when we are progging/getting first kills

[fallow hinge]

Gally goes down tonight, I feel it in my bones

[keen belfry]

but on reclears i call way less and just try to blast

maybe thats why our mugzee relcear was bad

[sudden fulcrum]

SHAKIN OUT YER BONES

[keen belfry]

i raid lead this tier as fire mage, arcane mage, and outlaw rogue

am i a psychopath

[indigo token]

it's shakin out yer bones

[sudden fulcrum]

oh yeah that

[indigo token]

Oops! Bad batch!

[sharp hinge]

no one in the monk discord wants to talk about the raid buff rofl

[indigo token]

why not

[sharp hinge]

im not sure, probably because they dont want to give it up

[indigo token]

??

but it was buffed

what's the issue

[glass mortar]

wdym talk about it

[sharp hinge]

like when people ask about it, everyone just stops talking

its weird

[glass mortar]

well what are the yasking

[sharp hinge]

if its good, or will it make the spec more competetive, or even what their thoughts are on it

[lime lake]

bro popped into a channel that hasnt had anything sent for an hour, said he wanted feedback for a video, then said everyone was avoiding the topic when nobody responded in 5 minutes

[sharp hinge]

not just me

scroll up

[glass mortar]

what

kinda question is that

"is getting a 3% raid damage buff good"

[sharp hinge]

bro takes a peek at the newest message and thinks thats what im reffering too XD

[glass mortar]

i dont understand

whats in question

monk is 3% stronger, u make ur raid 3% stronger

[lime lake]

brother scrolling up is them complaining about the icon

[glass mortar]

it seems like theres only on possible answer here

i imagine its been asked 100 times already anyway even tho its a very silly question

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/open-your-eyes-atticus-noble-rebel-moon-part-two-wake-up-ed-skrein-gif-11762942001695398404

[lime lake]

you joined the server 5 minutes ago and start claiming shit

lmao

[sharp hinge]

of course

im a proffesional shit talker

[glass mortar]

i mean we see this shit here and alot of class discords arent as active as outlaw so i understand even regulars there not wanting to answer "hey guys is 3% more damage good??" for the 1000th time

[sharp hinge]

ask Archi from the warrior discord

[glass mortar]

because it is a very silly question

imo

[strong halo]

What do you guys think of RTB wa's like this oone https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU ?

[sharp hinge]

or ask wordup from the shaman discord

[strong halo]

do these capture the conditions well enough to rely on it for rerolling and kir?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[lime lake]

they are not normally recommended here no

[chilly atlas]

i don't even currently main rogue and rogue is the class discord im most active in

[sharp hinge]

you main warrior?

[chilly atlas]

what would make you think that? :p

yeah

[sudden fulcrum]

busted

[keen belfry]

meh

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar did you know priest tier set

is 44%

[glass mortar]

i been saying it was 40%

for weeks

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u wanted me now or do i go

[glass mortar]

bozo

[vivid vessel]

haha ye

[proven ocean]

fast

[glass mortar]

is that the exact number they settled on

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

but yes i knew

[vivid vessel]

you have 5 min

[proven ocean]

"haha ye" what do u want

yea

[vivid vessel]

ok

i ask questions

you answer

[glass mortar]

wtf ross osrs tag

[vivid vessel]

yes or no questions basically

you fine with that ?

[glass mortar]

osrs pfp when

[proven ocean]

yea

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean outlaw s3 tier set is weaker than current tier set, say around 5%, agree or not agree

[proven ocean]

agree

[vivid vessel]

ks cd nerf was around a 8% nerf to outlaw, agree or not agree

[proven ocean]

how am i supposed to know its 8%

[glass mortar]

cd nerf + increasesed cast time but i get what u mean

idk how ross would mow that tho

[vivid vessel]

it has been simmed by solo

its 8%

[glass mortar]

i dont think he was here when solo simmed

[vivid vessel]

you cant disagree basically

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[vivid vessel]

trick question

[covert heart]

I say thats its about a wash since peeps killed themselves or couldn't press it all the time

[vivid vessel]

just say you agree

[proven ocean]

but i do agree

[covert heart]

Or I killed myself alot haha

[vivid vessel]

ok

ks being rng damage instead of prio damage was a nerf to outlaw, non quantifiable, (you are the first one to yap about how big prio damage is in m+ so i wont even le you disagree on that point), agree or not agree

[proven ocean]

agree

[frail veldt]

this is fun

like a lil gameshow

[vivid vessel]

s3 tier sets are mostly all higher value than s2 (as a reminder outlaw had one of the best set in term of dps value in s2). In s3 it seems the baseline for tiers is increased, so most other specs are gaining more damage from their set than in s2, and more damage from their sets than outlaw, agree or not agree

[frail veldt]

or an interrogation lol

[vivid vessel]

this one is hard to read sorry

take your time

[proven ocean]

but senator zac, can i have a reply to some of these comments

[vivid vessel]

no

[glass mortar]

imo reply after

[vivid vessel]

you agree or disagree

after you can yuap

[glass mortar]

ur just gunna get bogged down if u discuss now

[proven ocean]

zac i cant read all of that

[vivid vessel]

you have to

[proven ocean]

give me 5 mins my brain can't process too many texts

[vivid vessel]

try to understand it

[proven ocean]

ok

reading

[frail veldt]

outlaw gain less than other specs from tier in s3

thats the summary

[glass mortar]

zacs asking if u agree or disagree that most specs tier sets are improving in power, not decreasing in s3

[vivid vessel]

mostly that basleine for tier set damage increase

[glass mortar]

but also idk how ross would know that if he isnt heavily following ptr stuff