We've come so far
#outlaw
stuck patrol
proven ocean
classic edition
hollow temple
dew it
keen belfry
what even is osrs
keen belfry
like what do u do
cold jewel
but i dont want to gap zeross in osrs dps race
very humble of you
proven ocean
who want to play alone
i wish zac played osrs
we would've dominated this game hard ngl
potent gyro
should we all just play osrs?
proven ocean
we have crazy chemistry when we play together
proven ocean
we have crazy chemistry when we play together
@vivid vessel u agree?
hollow temple
like what do u do
u train skills, pvm, a bunch of stuff. best part is its horizontal progression you never lose any prog
keen belfry
u train skills, pvm, a bunch of stuff. best part is its horizontal progression y...
is there osrs damage meter bragging channel?
proven ocean
awang
potent gyro
ping from outlaw channel will awake zac from the deepest of sleeps
proven ocean
no
theres no braging but
u can see if ur top dps end of the raid
which isnt really that big as wow
like
u wont care
proven ocean
ye
hollow temple
osrs damage is very gear reliant and rng
ripe ibex
ross start talking about raid buffs
ripe ibex
you can wake zac up
proven ocean
nah
zac wont argue only once a month
if u go too ahrd on him
he stops for 2-3 days
then gets offended again
so i cant rly troll him now
theres like a cooldown to zac
hollow temple
yeah but ross u like to make ppl angy for fun or somethin
cold jewel
ryu was in zacs stream this morning. wonder what builds hes cooking up these days
ripe ibex
bill tin cd
fathom bramble
Raids in osrs are like not really comparable to wow raids though
proven ocean
yeah but ross u like to make ppl angy for fun or somethin
idk ur easy to ragebait notrickz
sorry not sorry
surreal flower
Getting wow players to look at osrs is like pulling teeth fr
fathom bramble
20-30 mins and only 5 bosses on some
proven ocean
ahj
if u mean zac
i wasn't trying to make him angry
we were just discussing class stuff
proven ocean
im being realistic outlaw isnt bad
it really isnt
but
i do know that it deserves to do more dps cuz
its target capped
and
it has no util
so it deserves to do more dmg than everything
even tho it shouldnt for balance's sake
hollow temple
beans n toast
surreal flower
in minnesota rn
Say sike rn
keen belfry
minneapolis cuh
sudden fulcrum
im hungry wtf do i eat
cheesesteak
late swallow
in minnesota rn
You live in minneapolis?
Went there for a work trip 2 years ago
So many homeless!
Streets full of daywalkers
surreal flower
People forget how big the twin cities metro is
covert kestrel
And I live in ny
late swallow
DC isn’t great either tbf
surreal flower
You got space for all types
keen belfry
People forget how big the twin cities metro is
but also how small it is same time
late swallow
Tons of vagrants in dc
keen belfry
so funny going to a real big city
dense forge
Feeling more confident on outlaw rn than unholy dk kek
surreal flower
It’s sprawling for sure
keen belfry
first time in chicago as an adult i was like this is an actual city
late swallow
Violent crime in chicago goes hard
late swallow
Gotta give some to get some I guess
ripe ibex
@keen belfry how old r u
keen belfry
guess
late swallow
covert kestrel
24
keen belfry
i type like a child
ripe ibex
23
keen belfry
but im an adult with adult job
late swallow
What kind of underwear you wearing rn @keen belfry ?
keen belfry
28
proven ocean
What kind of underwear you wearing rn <@177964030474977281> ?
???
covert kestrel
Kinda done with wow for a while
Damn what zac getting r1 does to a guy
keen belfry
What kind of underwear you wearing rn <@177964030474977281> ?
blue champion boxer things
late swallow
Based
latent oak
blue champion boxer things
bro is wearing champ track boxers
covert kestrel
Washed m+ pusher to osrs Andy pipeline
late swallow
Didn’t ross boost zac?
keen belfry
ross kicked zac from their group
proven ocean
He was 200 points behind stuck in pugs i pushed him up just like he did to me in DF
covert kestrel
He was 200 points behind stuck in pugs i pushed him up just like he did to me in...
Ross irl
covert kestrel
It’s the vegeta x goku meme
I was thinking more human centipede
proven ocean
Our healer quit so thats why we stopped playing
mighty pivot
a love story which will definitely see a movie adaptation
keen belfry
im gonna go get 2 mcchickens i dont want to cook toda.y
covert kestrel
im gonna go get 2 mcchickens i dont want to cook toda.y
Do the mcgangbang
keen belfry
mhm
proven ocean
Just order a whole chicken instead
late swallow
Awang what’s your height and weight
proven ocean
2 burgers is alot ngl
keen belfry
6'1" 217
late swallow
Double mcchicken got me worried
mighty pivot
and circumference
covert kestrel
Just order a whole chicken instead
Eat a rotisserie chicken with your hands
covert kestrel
That's only 704 calories tbh not that bad for a meal
proven ocean
That's only 704 calories tbh not that bad for a meal
Thats what u think
Now add fries and coke
Thats
1.5k
If not more
proven ocean
Im sure u can
late swallow
I’m a smidge taller and around 195
sudden fulcrum
proven ocean
Nah
keen belfry
I’m a smidge taller and around 195
im weight fluctuating king
in hs i was same heigh 155
proven ocean
I can bench half awang’s weight rn im still getting back tho
sudden fulcrum
I could eat anyone in <#316923682607857685>
late swallow
im weight fluctuating king
I got down to 170 last summer during peak cycling season
Skellymaxxed
Giga legs tho
latent oak
sudden fulcrum
it's over
proven ocean
Giga legs tho
Reacting to ur own msg is wild bro 
keen belfry
its also genuinely hard to actually try to cut when you wfh and play video games
late swallow
Reacting to ur own msg is wild bro <a:rotating_skull:1105379925034274826> <:omeg...
Huh?
keen belfry
i bbought a standing desk and walking pad
covert kestrel
its also genuinely hard to actually try to cut when you wfh and play video games
Walking lowkey goated
gritty hamlet
No, I meant like say next ambush goes off twice for sure, or your next finisher explodes for extra damage. It makes the affected abilities glow when it happens so you know they proc'd and to use before your next RtB.
covert kestrel
Kyle, we've moved on to discussing our bodies. Please keep it on topic
Tell us the thing you're most insecure about on your body
dense forge
im here to learn about rogues
upbeat tundra
whats the outlaw build on ptr rn
dense forge
and i learn about other shit
late swallow
Casual tell me about your body bro
keen belfry
im here to learn about rogues
press pistol shot if you are at 5 combo points so u can gain 2 combo points and press bte at 7 cuz 7 is more than 5 so its better ok?
yw
dense forge
im 115kg of pure muscle , thank god i hit the gym otherwise i would be 190
covert kestrel
What height
dense forge
253
covert kestrel
5,11"
keen belfry
how many cm am i
covert kestrel
I'm 115kg and 1.98m
ripe ibex
No, I meant like say next ambush goes off twice for sure, or your next finisher ...
not really rolling the bones if it’s guaranteed
keen belfry
do you guys have a different stat than dps
covert kestrel
Hilarious bit
keen belfry
like kg dps
proven ocean
Man i feel bad for wow
covert kestrel
do you guys have a different stat than dps
Damage per centimeter
proven ocean
All the iconic players either dont play or dont stream
keen belfry
damage per milisecond
ripe ibex
im 1.85m and 98kg
what is 1.85m in non eu terms
proven ocean
Ramfam gone jpc doesnt stream , gingi no longer on hunter, rogerbrown doesnt play and many more
keen belfry
awang stream
gritty hamlet
not really rolling the bones if it’s guaranteed
it's not, it'll still be like 1-6 different abilities enhanced.
surreal flower
Poor one out for ramfam
late swallow
im 115kg of pure muscle , thank god i hit the gym otherwise i would be 190
built like a wardrobe holy
beast
dense forge
one day
latent oak
never forget dratty used to be a rank 1 rogue
dense forge
rogue will be back
proven ocean
never forget dratty used to be a rank 1 rogue
Back when getting into groups got u r1 and not ur skill
keen belfry
Would you guys support awang streamer life?
ripe ibex
Would you guys support awang streamer life?
yeah only if you use the ross wa
proven ocean
Outlaw in bfa was literally 1 button rotation
proven ocean
Outlaw in bfa was literally 1 button rotation
Compared to now
latent oak
whats even crazier
proven ocean
DF was a huge leap of difficulty to outlaw
latent oak
is that it was still one of the hardest specs at the time right
ripe ibex
awang can you make an outlaw guide
proven ocean
is that it was still one of the hardest specs at the time right
Yet alot of ppl played it well
Now no one can play it well
Only top players
dense forge
best outlaw ever made was s4 shadowlands double legendary flag cdr dreadblades and vanish reduce cd of abilities
ill finish i have to stop typing
keen belfry
awang can you make an outlaw guide
Would be so lit
dense forge
and hardest on top
fathom bramble
Season 2 legion was very good too
proven ocean
Ngl i could easily play that version of outlaw nowadays
latent oak
shadowdust went so hard on outlaw
fathom bramble
But basically no one played outlaw
proven ocean
It was way easier than current gameplays
dense forge
legion i was playing dh kek
keen belfry
Why did I start playing outlaw
sudden fulcrum
because you're a pirate
keen belfry
I picked rogue DF s1 cause sin looked cool
proven ocean
@dense forge play osrs with us
wintry solar
Season 2 legion was very good too
When did you start?
proven ocean
It’ll take u a long ass time to catch up tho but
dense forge
<@229386660326932481> play osrs with us
im in prison
proven ocean
Becomes fun later on
dense forge
cant do sth else from prison
proven ocean
Shiii not bad cuh
gritty hamlet
Outlaw I play because Blizzard didn't make Ren'dorei daggers but they did swords!
upbeat tundra
fuck you
dense forge
haha
upbeat tundra
this class blows
proven ocean
dense forge
why they bully you
upbeat tundra
they pulled 20 mobs what do u want from me
dense forge
hahaha
upbeat tundra
i can hit exactly 8 of them
dense forge
go assa surprise them
sudden fulcrum
dense forge
@proven ocean sandbag going Very very well , im happy
wintry solar
they pulled 20 mobs what do u want from me
Use the copper bombs from vanilla
fathom bramble
When did you start?
I started playing combat/outlaw at the end of mists
wintry solar
Nice
keen belfry
I think I saw outlaw dmg breakdown and was like noob spec that blasts let me try it after not liking assa
fathom bramble
Played wow since burning crusade, but never raided until then
dense forge
noone touching rogue
glass mortar
i feel like
this is not the first or even second ptr cycle where all 3 rogue specs were dogpoo
dense forge
Guys when you see a meter like this , tell them its a marathon not a sprint.
glass mortar
over the last 2 expacs
dense forge
hahahaha
glass mortar
how does this keep happening
dense forge
i have to go sleep
gritty hamlet
Rogue better get 3 whole new hero trees in Midnight
glass mortar
does this whole class just scale like crap
keen belfry
I don’t understand how outlaw does less on PTR than live with more ilvl
glass mortar
thats easy
keen belfry
What happens?
random stirrup
im sure that the dead mobs bug isnt back right
keen belfry
Is it scaling stuff?
glass mortar
ptr lag + outlaw playing with lag + ~16% nerfs we've eaten
random stirrup
someone has tested i assume
glass mortar
i mean u should be like
proven ocean
im sure that the dead mobs bug isnt back right
It cant be back no
glass mortar
10-15% stronger in the ilvl ur testing on ptr
but the lag could easily make up for thaty
and most people are 30-40% stronger
keen belfry
I’m not worried about tuning but genuinely confused how we do literal less damage on PTR with more ilvl
keen belfry
the changes to law on ptr so far we legit got nerfed awang
What changes even are there
random stirrup
I will not be ragebaited today
wintry solar
Zac God tier sandbagger
fathom bramble
KS change/nerfs
glass mortar
the new trickster tier set
fathom bramble
that's basically it right
glass mortar
is like 10% behind current one
fathom bramble
as far as class changes go
proven ocean
is like 10% behind current one
I doubt thats true
modest tiger
thinking about swapping back to outlaw for next season. Do we have any intuition on whether it will perform well in certain raid fights yet?
keen belfry
We don’t gain more than 8% from ilvl?
glass mortar
and then our new tier is fairly weak compared to live tier
proven ocean
At all
frank finch
Zac is just sandbagging
aka outlaw as bad as sin
glass mortar
current tier set is 19%
frank finch
ur busted
glass mortar
ptr tier set is 9%
frank finch
hands up
proven ocean
The tier set itself is only 12%
glass mortar
solo simmed this
proven ocean
current tier set is 19%
?
No it isnt
It was 19% when i tried to gaslight zac
And it didnt work
glass mortar
ok sure so when u change the build and the tier because u are forced to change the build u lose 10%
proven ocean
U wont play bad build to SAY SEE LOOK ITS BIGGER THAN 12%
glass mortar
so when u take into account change in builds, weaker tier and the kspree change
glass mortar
ur like 16% weaker on ptr baseline power
then u gain ilvl
so u should be stronger then live
proven ocean
keen belfry
so u should be stronger then live
are we ?
modest tiger
thinking about swapping back to outlaw for next season. Do we have any intuition...
i feel like this got buried i will ask later
fathom bramble
ilvl that benefits every other spec more than law
glass mortar
ur getting at least 20% power from ilvl
proven ocean
im doing 3m st on ptr
glass mortar
in the testing gear i think?
proven ocean
on outlaw
zac is just trolling
hes playing a ramp trinket
and hes not saving it for bosses
he consumes it before each boss
just to show how shitty his dps is
and pretend we're all stupid as fuck
keen belfry
I did one ptr key and I was doing less damage
proven ocean
he's either playing the trinket extremely wrong or hes truly sandbagging
keen belfry
Felt like by a lot
proven ocean
because everytime i see him using the trinket
glass mortar
yea law is pretty dog
proven ocean
its always in a rly bad moment
glass mortar
but all of rogue is
and they havent tuned anyone really yet so
template buffs eventually
w/e
keen belfry
My only wish every tier
craggy barn
someones gotta sandbag for us ross
frail veldt
and they havent tuned anyone really yet so
yeah tbh I only focus on gameplay at this point
they do tuning well into the release of the patch
wintry solar
If it's tuned bad, who jumping ship anyway? I know I'm not.
glass mortar
if season looks shit enough i might just not play
idk about jump ship tho
jump ship to rs3 😎
wintry solar
I'll not play wow
glass mortar
yeye
wintry solar
But it'll be a cold day in hell before not play outlaw
It's actually how I rate my expansions
By how fun Outlaw is
gritty hamlet
MoP classic might take me away from retail haha
sudden fulcrum
isn't MoP classic still on PTR?
gritty hamlet
prepatch is live
sudden fulcrum
ooh that might be something to do
wintry solar
I thought i was gonna play mop but then I remembered the CP change wasn't until WoD. Which we might not see.
Still have a dk though so that's good
gritty hamlet
Monk has been fun and so is paladin.
I have a 23 rogue so no where near cap on that
sudden fulcrum
prepatch is live
how do i play it what am i missing here
torpid fiber
By how fun Outlaw is
legit 50% of the reason i ever resub to wow is just to play outlaw
gritty hamlet
it's still called cata cause it's only prepatch
sudden fulcrum
oh
gritty hamlet
but it's all the MoP talents and changes
wintry solar
What's the prepatch event
glass mortar
level a panda
sudden fulcrum
is rogue good in MoP
upper surge
if season looks shit enough i might just not play
I think you've said this for three seasons straight
gritty hamlet
MoP's prepatch event is just the Theramore scenario
frail veldt
u can get a retail mount for finishing panda starting zone
ive herad people are mass reporting for this
glass mortar
I think you've said this for three seasons straight
yea and we've had some BANGER seasons ok
upper surge
🙂
frail veldt
just cuz classic andys hate retail gamers
upper surge
I certainly had fun season 2
glass mortar
s1 was fine i liked queen and survival was fun
frail veldt
ngl I did not like this season
frail veldt
I still dislike the pool
I dont like rookery
I dont like DFC
I HAAAAAAAAAATE mechagon
sudden fulcrum
DFC is easy and fun
haughty wigeon
is rogue good in MoP
lol
frail veldt
the one with the fucking dog
glass mortar
mechagon is so bad
haughty wigeon
combat sucked
sudden fulcrum
the only key i really dislike is ToP
frail veldt
theres a lot of bad dungeons this season
sudden fulcrum
it's really long and the hadest part is at the end
frail veldt
next seasons pool looks great except for dawnbreaker
gritty hamlet
I've been levelling my MoP rogue as Sub but I should try combat haha
upper surge
i liked the vibes. raid was eh
There are a couple good bosses this season but yeah I just really like our team
glass mortar
ye u guys did real good this season
66 pull endboss is a banger
its not but also it is
wintry solar
Love dawnbreaker
glass mortar
wintry solar
It was great last season when you didn't play outlaw
frail veldt
nah
dawnbreaker is a shit dungeon
who wants to fucking MOUNT UP
mid boss fight
and afk in the air
wintry solar
Bro sucks at flying
glass mortar
dawnbreaker is just bad
frail veldt
its bad all around
glass mortar
i cant forgive them for first and last boss
glass mortar
those bosses are the most check box
"we want a fight that uses skyriding!!!!!!11!!!"
i could fucking imagine
glass mortar
the entire engagement with it is laughable
tindral had 200X the engagement with dragonriding this dungeon has
and u did it for like, 20 seconds
over the whole fight
maybe 40
wintry solar
I like the flying part. Kinda feels open world
frail veldt
I like the flying part. Kinda feels open world
nokhud did it better
that zone is too small
wrong dungeon to put flying in
wintry solar
Yeah nokhud was better
frail veldt
or they should have used more of the zone
wintry solar
I liked Nokhud
lone spear
same
but i think most dont like
altho next xpac they can bring back df dungeons
wouldnt mind seeing the dungeons with modern philosophy of dungeon design
frail veldt
the dungeons people seem to like the most are ones with tons of route options and large pulls with mobs that dont have way too many casts
and blizzard cant seem to wrap their heads around that
people just wana blast
lone spear
i think this season hit that balance
the worst dungeons for me this season are dfc and top
cause of downtime and gimmick shit
errant arrow
df dungeons had some absolute bangers
frail veldt
workshop has got to be worse than top
errant arrow
brackenhide ended up being one of my favorites
wintry solar
Dfc and rookery for me.
People can't understand the last rookery boss for some reason
frail veldt
lol
wintry solar
It sucks sure but it's not hard
lone spear
ive always liked workshop so idm, feels like the downtime isnt that bad
lone spear
dog boss is fine
frail veldt
???
you have to afk every like 30 seconds
you know they fixed the line of sight thing right?
you cant hit him during the box phase anymore
lone spear
yea, but like the rest of the fight is pretty chill
frail veldt
then you have to spread for the leap
lol
that boss might be worse than the last boss
honestly
lone spear
is ok friend, its fixed (sorta)
wintry solar
Some people miss outlaw, some people miss certain aspects of outlaw because they never left.
lone spear
yeee
wintry solar
Pre fth nerf?
quaint mauve
guys my adr uptimes goin through the roof
gaunt phoenix
gaming
quaint mauve
i really struggle with adr uptime if my tank decides they wanna chainpull thi
gaunt phoenix
shouldn't matter much, as long as you are hitting something and not idling, AR can be maintained most of the time
like in raid, you cant restealth, but AR uptime is high unless you lose uptime
quaint mauve
shouldn't matter much, as long as you are hitting something and not idling, AR c...
yeah ik, my issue i start like scrambling around and panicking idk why
spring vessel
how are they buffing arcane
is this question rhetorical or genuine
either way it was just a hotfix to match the patch notes from earlier this week
the aforementioned patch notes
the real news is the warlock buffs, those look pretty substantial
proven ocean
warlock buffs are stupid af
warlock is 100% stronger than arcane if the buffs are that massive
proven ocean
how are they buffing arcane
wow devs playing mage
they dont give a shit about balancing apparently
mages cry the best
spring vessel
I don't know much about warlock but I poked my head into their discord and they're saying the buffs are in preparation for a sizeable tier bonus nerf, for what that's worth
proven ocean
aaaaaaaaa blizzard arcane weaak plz buff
spring vessel
I know shadow priests are kind of in the same boat where the voidweaver bonuses are pretty strong and the devs went the other way and nerfed base shadow priest to compensate which shit on the other hero tree
late swallow
aaaaaaaaa blizzard arcane weaak plz buff
boomkins and mages literally shit and piss their pants instantly if their class isn't giga
proven ocean
mage is literally giga
they are shitting their pants on being op
OMG IM OP BUT MY BRAIN TELLS ME IM WEAK PLZ BUFF AAAAAAAAAAA
late swallow
they are shitting their pants on being op
proven ocean
🤠OMGJESSICA🤠 — 7:00 AM
Cause the shitters who play it do poop
So makes it look bad my guess
sudden fulcrum
b-but ppp-rio damage.....
late swallow
umbral pivot
is outlaw rogue fun to play?
spring vessel
is outlaw rogue fun to play?
if you like fast-paced, reactive gameplay you might enjoy it
umbral pivot
if you like fast-paced, reactive gameplay you might enjoy it
i was thinking of ww and dh,but then someone suggested outlaw since ww has downtime and isnt as fast paced
spring vessel
i don't think anybody serious about playing outlaw in this channel will tell you to avoid trying it out
umbral pivot
why does it suck
?
how do i play both,i would need to main both no? one would have less time put into it no?
is this the only reason tho? i think they look fun since they seem fast paced and have high mobility
wait dh is easy to play?
late swallow
Nothing else like outlaw in the game
Probs the most unique rotation/playstyle
Very jazzy and rhythm based
Honestly
umbral pivot
heh i saw ass and sub but didnt like them,i dont like downtime
well i do like hard specs
i played enhancement shaman before as totemic and i got bored quite fast
quaint mauve
i like frost players too
2 button simulator
for both specs too </3
i played hdh for raid and man
it geniunely ruined the game for me
grim spear
imo dh is a failed design. They brought in mechanics that don't really belong in WoW's core gameplay
quaint mauve
true i was top 3 every prog boss
its just like
i wish there was more to its rotation
grim spear
and it's not like they could overhaul WoW's entire encounter design just for that.
so the end result feels awkward and out of place.
Yep, Evoker is a whole different issue.
vivid vessel
Hes just trolling constantly
Shut the fuck up you are clueless you absolute monkey ape
I'm going back to sleep now
lime lake
grim spear
evokers, they have in common with DH is that both were forced into the game at a point where there was barely any design space left.
imo DH never had enough design space to justify being a standalone class. Its fantasy just isn't strong enough to support an entire class
that's why it only ended up with 2 specs
DH should have just been a spec under Rogue
vdh is fine to play, but vdh has a very weak fantasy
dawn talon
vdh is fine to play, but vdh has a very weak fantasy
it doesn't need one
eating souls and tanking damage using stolen fel magic
is compelling enough on its own
without any supporting elements
the visual factor carries it
haughty wigeon
???
scratch that
i mean i guess
movers removal did make it borin
i agree
but im bias
cause
me vdh
me dps disguised as a tank
i mean
warrior has a knockup that happens every 20 seconds
that can rival our sigils
the only think vdh has is that silence kicks things
chains was very subpar
very unneeded for the majority of vdh players
but fun
i love it when people spam chains
and then hard ignore misery
i also lvoe it when they chains ghosts and dangerous mobs to me and i get oneshotted
if your using chains proactively like that then sure thats fine and cool
sadly most vdh fotmers
dont use chains like that
they have it on bars and dont press it or press it in a way that kills me or them
thats why im praying for brew meta next season
cause man
im tired of vdh meta
every vdh main is tired of vdh meta
eh
that wouldnt have fixed it tbh
most aoe has the same range as chains can reach
like spb for example
has the same range as chains
the issue is people think it does something
and also theres a crap ton of casters
shouldnt have to t ho
thats failed design
when a tank has to do ever yinterupt in the key
while dps pepege smash keyboard
df s3-4 competely lead to the amount of smooth brain dps we have rn
liek it was always a issue but now its more of a issue
cause
"the vdh will handle it" even tho they dont have 2 of every utility sigils
delete/edit that
we dont use slurs here
ty
but ya theyre smoothbrained
the community as a whole
frankly again vdh or any tank having the capability to single handedly take care of every stop is bad design and a testiment on how new talent trees made a utility and defensive armsrace for eveyr spec in the game
i pray they made silence and chains a choice node and do something baout chaso nova
no tank should have 4 stops
haughty wigeon
i mean blizzard can also idk
take out all the cringe casters in the game
like
2 every pack
aug meta hasnt been a thing in awhile
nah
quaint mauve
3 zyns in my mouth , white monster down. i’m about to pump
haughty wigeon
aug is good
it just shouldnt have appeared half baked in the middle of aseason in a middle of a expansion
should have been released at tww
quaint mauve
aug meta hasnt been a thing in awhile
augs pretty decent rn imo
late swallow
3 zyns in my mouth , white monster down. i’m about to pump
is your sybian set to max?
quaint mauve
is your sybian set to max?
lovesense on max
haughty wigeon
and fuck over an entire population of players that whined for a bard spec for years
quaint mauve
they hit a balance with it
i timed a 17 on vdh with one and it was whatever , felt like every other dps
haughty wigeon
hopefully we get more support roles
quaint mauve
i really hate the dragon form yeah i love how their visage form looks tho
quaint mauve
dragonkin from neverwinter r my favorite
frail veldt
hopefully we get more support roles
We never did get one
They've converted it to a z dps
Support was too op
frail veldt
Tbh support was always gona be hard since most specs in wow have some amount of support abilities
lime lake
take every raid buff away and give it to one spec
frail veldt
its technically support in name and thats enough to satisfy the masses
yeah its just a bit misleading
quaint mauve
ye
frail veldt
best faq in the biz
quaint mauve
i just need my frickin trinkets now
quaint mauve
i’m sitting on a veteran trinket from nightfall still 😭
but i got my hero pacemaker now
dawn talon
give me a yuumi spec
i cba yuumi lulu me fast
sudden fulcrum
are you having a stroke
quaint mauve
i cba yuumi lulu me fast
lulu is basically disc priest
dawn talon
when is my disc goign to speed me
and i glide
manamune twitch save us...
if you can hear us season 10 manamune twitch save us...
that shit was so fucking unskilled it was actually insane
i don't think ive ever had more fraudulent elo in my life
than duoq janna/lulu twitch during manamune meta in s10
quaint mauve
when is my disc goign to speed me
angelic feather pi
quaint mauve
than duoq janna/lulu twitch during manamune meta in s10
i had a 86% wr on janna s10 LOL
dawn talon
i had a 86% wr on janna s10 LOL
#noticing
quaint mauve
over like only 30 games tho
sudden fulcrum
you know the game is dead when discord is talking more about OSRS and LoL than WoW
wintry solar
Nah that happens regardless
dawn talon
im always talking about league in outlaw chat
wintry solar
Fr
sudden fulcrum
i mean i don't care there isn't really anything to do in WoW right now so i get it
we're all in s3 waiting room
wintry solar
Any thing but league god damn
dawn talon
i would actually roll a bike tire down the street before playing ffxiv
quaint mauve
in all fairness i feel like support specs turn into crutches
i’ll say aug is difficult in raid imo but in m+ it was braindead
i played it in DF….
BUT
tbf i only played DF for the last few weeks on the last season
quaint mauve
EWWWWA I HATE THAT GIF
dawn talon
in s2 though
quaint mauve
df s3 was so fun
i hated nokhud SOOOO much
wintry solar
Nothing good came from df
dawn talon
season 1 outlaw was so boing i played fire
& playing outlaw in vault
was torture
even the fights where it was good it was fucking annoying
wintry solar
They only know how to tune CD specs
dawn talon
it's early ptr tuning dud e
wintry solar
This one's been aight
keen belfry
am i an ass for wanting KIR to be objectively better in keys like df s3
i dont like seeing HO players blasting too
wintry solar
Yeah
keen belfry
ho players tho..
wintry solar
Why do you want to bring other outlaws down?
lone spear
having them equal is the way
vivid vessel
If they are equal you have no reason to play kir
wintry solar
Kir being more fun is the reason
wintry solar
having them equal is the way
Real outlaws play both
lone spear
If they are equal you have no reason to play kir
this reasoning is faulty
because we play a video game for fun
if i have fun playing KiR
i will play KiR
even if its harder
and i dont get more out of doing it
keen belfry
wink isnt cooking rn
lone spear
hell we all play outlaw, one of the harder specs, and we are punished for it
by being ignored
but we still do cause fun
wintry solar
If I cared enough about Outlaws HO vs KIR I'd just play a different class instead.
But I don't
So I play both
keen belfry
righteous poopoo has spoekn
HO players need to be spanked
by kir players
when we have way more GM uptime next tier we WIN
keen belfry
u press ambush
BEGONE AMBUSHER!
HO players when they uhhh have 5 cps and press ambush
Isn’t that a thing u guys do
brisk meadow
wintry solar
Isn’t that a thing u guys do
Not anymore
Wtf
Has anyone else's mobile discord act up?
Mobile disc sucks
Wasn't updated
Well yeah
I don't like dudes
vivid vessel
and i dont get more out of doing it
Nah
When kir is like 5% ahead
Still only the try hard plays it'd
Cause it's harder and has clear downsides that ho doesn't
I think it's fine to reward harder builds
+5% type shit is nothing
lone spear
idk rewarding harder builds just because theyre harder is dangerous
cause eventually other builds will just see less play as people get better at a spec and want to improve
and with how guide writing works, saying "play X until you're good enough to play Y"
people just gonna play Y man
i dont like to use slippery slope argument, but i think we've seen the complexity creep in wow in action
balmy topaz
and with how guide writing works, saying "play X until you're good enough to pla...
You say that but Guy refused to make a guide for KIR
haughty wigeon
i think its fine
when kir is 5% ahead
i think its fine when movers is 5% ahead of no movers
and i think its fine when crusading strikes is 3% ahead of templar strike for ret
its okay to have some degree of difference between builds
mostly cause that 5% means nothing for 98% of all content anyways
people get so hung up on % values sometimes and it leads to people calling for the removal of diversity
vivid vessel
people just gonna play Y man
That's not true
Kir has been ahead by like 5%
All or df
And it has seen minimal play
Even when you looked at top 100 parses
lone spear
i think you're overstating the difficulty difference
haughty wigeon
zac
i was trolling the forums again
im convinced
that most people that hate vanish/crackshot
just have the fact its named vanish
and has the stealthy animation
and thats it
torpid fiber
how did it take you that long to realise this
i could have told you this months ago
vivid vessel
I hope you aren't trolling our thread
torpid fiber
it's legit just flavour + solo play jank that people hate about it
haughty wigeon
I hope you aren't trolling our thread
im not
vivid vessel
just have the fact its named vanish
Also ye I know
haughty wigeon
i dont do that
vivid vessel
And that's my main issue with that
vivid vessel
Like people that don't like the "stealth" gameplay
vivid vessel
Just don't like that it's from vanish
vivid vessel
And that makes 0 sense cause it's just a spell who cares
I mean maybe
You add a spell tho so
vivid vessel
Why is your name omg jessica
Because my name is zac
But your name isn't Jessica
So why is your name omg jessica
But what's that
I'm missing a reference or
Tyty
wintry solar
it's legit just flavour + solo play jank that people hate about it
If it were constructive criticisms I'd try to see it from their point of view but they make it so hard when their argument is "vanish bad"
torpid fiber
I think flavour matters more to some people than it does to us
wintry solar
When you're not doing any meaningful content, what else do you have?
That's not outlaw stupid
You're smelly too
Everyone knows not to listen to night elf rogues
Dood
I'm undead
The classic
haughty wigeon
i mean i see the point
but also
this is the one thing the talent tree is good at
@wintry solar
and
@torpid fiber
cause you can just
not talent into it for solo play
wintry solar
It's pretty overbearing
haughty wigeon
in delves its not much of a problem for me anyways
torpid fiber
but it's really tilting while questing and shit
haughty wigeon
world content
and questing?
its like
irrelevant
cause everything dies in a few hits anyways
of dispatch fth and bte
torpid fiber
the people complaining about vanish flavour
haughty wigeon
like sure the questing portion of the game lost alot of importance in the game
but like
also
it means nothing
you dont need to have the best build to quest
torpid fiber
I personally don't think it's really defensible that a core dps button for the spec requires you to do janky tech to not reset mobs in open world content (and even then it doesn't work 100% of the time)
haughty wigeon
when i was leveling up outlaw back in df
torpid fiber
just feels like ass
haughty wigeon
i used bladerush and gsw
for shits and giggles
granted i will conceed in the fact
that it is outlaws core
and it should work for solo play
vivid vessel
the spec just doesn't work without vanishing
That's not true, in world content you don't care
vivid vessel
the spec just doesn't work without vanishing
That's not true, in world content you don't care
haughty wigeon
but like at the same time
lime lake
haughty wigeon
just use gsw
amber sedge
any supercharged slice and dicers?
haughty wigeon
and blast
wintry solar
They don't want vanish because they don't like vanish. I don't want vanish because it's so unfair assa and sub have played without it and now I feel left out. Smh
wintry solar
They should try using vanish/adr as dps cooldowns
haughty wigeon
"vanish copy but different name and animation"
torpid fiber
yes
haughty wigeon
like is it that easy?
torpid fiber
i've had this convo with so many ppl on reddit trying to figure out what they dislike about vanish and I genuinely think that change would fix it
haughty wigeon
cause so many people are so hung up on "stealth gamplay"
torpid fiber
yeah
torpid fiber
It's why I've been saying for a bit they should just do that
torpid fiber
ppl legit want shadow dance but with an outlaw themed name
haughty wigeon
shadowdance is a sub rogue abvvility :)
wintry solar
I think they just don't like subterfuge and are too stupid to figure it out.
old python
any supercharged slice and dicers?
Yea i heard zac is bug abusing 