idk if u could even start to compare it to law
#outlaw
glass mortar
fallow hinge
I'm not comparing it to law
I'm saying the mastery probably got buffed to offset the fact that their aoe got kinda neutered
glass mortar
i am fully on board with blizzard eliminating "does more mass aoe then anyone in the game by 200%" as a niche tho
destro next
retune them around higher targets or lower or mid w/e
glass mortar
shadows already pretty limited
i mean they r just overtuned
they dont overscale into aoe
fallow hinge
they do with the tier
entropic rift gets so much bigger and hits way harder by adding things that make it grow
I've seen it get to like mass dispel aoe reticle sized
it's fully uncapped too
15yd radius aoe death zone
chilly atlas
2 charges of crash too
glass mortar
thats pretty good but i dont think thats matching destro uncapped scaling
fallow hinge
in stacked aoe like m+ it will be
chilly atlas
even easier to play
fallow hinge
2 charges of crash too
reduced VT application from 8 to 6 though, so that doesn't matter
chilly atlas
oh they did, thats whack
fallow hinge
the crash change is really shit
random stirrup
voidweaver is garbage at mass aoe though
fallow hinge
voidweaver is garbage at mass aoe though
won't be next season
Archon's being fully left in the dust
the archon tier is just kinda garbage
random stirrup
archon being bad doesn't make voidweaver good at it though
that hero talent is just suffering in sustained 8+ target aoe
fallow hinge
it just adds more ramp and resource flood on top of a hero tree that already floods with resources and leads to 1min+ void eruptions
sucks that they're removing mind spike though :(
I love mind spike
fallow hinge
archon being bad doesn't make voidweaver good at it though
I mean, have you seen the new tier?
50% cdr on void blasts, and void blasts grow entropic rift as well as plague
random stirrup
ye its insane for dmg it just still doesn't make vw super fun with upkeeping dots imo
fallow hinge
plus a ton of damage
dots are kinda secondary for VW since DA doesn't buff them
like sure they're important at face value for psychic link, and the VT reduction on crash hit is gonna suck for that, but they're set up to just do a ton of stacked cleave without needing to apply as many dots in the first place
12 targets sustained with VT currently should go down to like 8-10
which is 1 crash + 2-4 vt manuals, which is already the case. The tier bonus is just oodles on top of it
random stirrup
on something like cinderbrew first pull i still don't see you coming close to something like destro/boomie which are the real target cap culprits (and obv spriest when its playing voidform)
gritty hamlet
Rogue buff in raid via monks haha.
fallow hinge
good job we don't have cinderbrew next season then
gritty hamlet
There's no way Blizzard just nerfs all the physical dps heavy specs now is there? Lol
fallow hinge
There's no way Blizzard just nerfs all the physical dps heavy specs now is there...
why would they?
glass mortar
might even be bigger with more piss mobs tbh
random stirrup
good job we don't have cinderbrew next season then
you know the point
fallow hinge
that first pull is easily comparable to cinder
it's got a ton of fodder though, you don't apply dots to them regardless
glass mortar
sure but
fallow hinge
that's the kind of stuff that the new VW tier set is gonna slap on
glass mortar
how do u not
do u just manually dot elites
theres shitters on both sides of that pull
is scrash smart doting
will it focus elites
it should
random stirrup
will it focus elites
no
random stirrup
closest to where it lands
fallow hinge
no you just manually dot a couple prio targets on the gather then send your crash(es) and blast
^
glass mortar
ye dont think twin moons
fallow hinge
it'll prio targets without VT on, so if you just dot with fades while tank is getting them all nice and grouped, that's all the ramp you need
glass mortar
thats why destro goes hard
1 dot, instant cast, spam it to gen and get some up in aoe, spam RoF
random stirrup
cata also applies it to everything right
lime lake
halls coming back
fallow hinge
8t
lime lake
time for destro triple shard pulls
fallow hinge
cata's 8
glass mortar
uncapped wither would be unholy dk levels
lime lake
1m dps pog
random stirrup
cataclysm does apply immolate to everything though?
fallow hinge
8 targets
random stirrup
unless the tooltip lies
fallow hinge
it does
random stirrup
shows how much i play wl
fallow hinge
I played it in s1
random stirrup
my friend who mains wl right now said its all of them 
fallow hinge
coulda sworn it was 8
I might be mixing up the mechanics with vile taint though, I set up my affliction stuff like, 3 days ago
vestal notch
vt is 8 ye
lime lake
red zinc
Fuck bro
lime lake
lime lake
ye its pretty good
fallow hinge
ur a cool title
gritty hamlet
I honestly forget titles exist most of the time
I did make sure to get The Mad though
fallow hinge
I got that title as soon as I could. Missed one of the masks in SW though so I had to wait an extra week
loved visions
fallow hinge
I cheated by playing BM
gritty hamlet
I needed anti magic shell
fallow hinge
though my pet fell over a few times
weirdly, the most challenging part was the bugs before Rexxar with multitudes and vengeance combined
gritty hamlet
Haha yeah
Are y'all excited to roll the dice on a piece of champ loot in your vault for opening day of raid?
At least I get the impression you get a vault. It could be just two weeks count
fallow hinge
no delve hero gear available?
gritty hamlet
Hmm, it might count, I just know no bountiful keys exist
gritty hamlet
M0 and non bountiful delves are open on patch week and count towards vaults
fallow hinge
I guess as long as you do t8 it should be fine then
gritty hamlet
So might be able to get a hero delve piece
fallow hinge
though t8 might be hella rough with the ilvl jump
gritty hamlet
That'll be nuts if you luck into tier or weapon
Every class but mage can cheese it somehow
Rogues can just tricks healer brann
fallow hinge
I'm playing priest so I'll just go healer with tank brann and chip away at it
gritty hamlet
You can also do shadow with healer brann and just fade on cd
fallow hinge
don't mind if it's slow if it's safe
gritty hamlet
But yeah, rogues can tricks, locks and hunters have pets. The rest can tank or heal
violet ferry
Voidweaver Disc priest with tank Brann is actually really good
fallow hinge
yup
violet ferry
Brann slaps when he gets those heals
violet ferry
Pinged Chip good for sure, same with Bioprinter and mecha dinos
fallow hinge
pinged and bioprint are my go to
gritty hamlet
Bioprinter scales off AP or weapon dps so they suck for casters
lime lake
the footbombs are pretty good too
fallow hinge
Bioprinter scales off AP or weapon dps so they suck for casters
that... explains a lot
lime lake
and for stuff like underpin probably better because the dinos can get stuck on the bombs instead of hitting him
gritty hamlet
On tanks with dps Brann I use his grenades
covert kestrel
On tanks with dps Brann I use his grenades
Pacifist rig the goat
fallow hinge
since it's a utility curio not a combat one
gritty hamlet
Gosh casters have little choices. You can do radar or shields
Pacifist Rig DCs me too much
And it's very rng
Grenades are just constantly strong
fallow hinge
that's a combat one right?
gritty hamlet
He uses them more as dps spec
gritty hamlet
His ability priorities are different as tank so I'm not sure
visual trout
am I crazy or is BF not working in ICC? the initial damage hits but i dont get cleave after that
fallow hinge
if the damage is lethal it doesn't cleave iirc
gaunt phoenix
it doesnt cleave when the main target dies
lime lake
sub better
fathom bramble
Blade rush is also an acceptable choice
lime lake
faster, tea and symbols for infinite energy to clear adds
speed shroud resets on boss kills
shadowstrike doesnt remove you from stealth if it one shots so also good for movement
late swallow
Let’s keep the chatter outlaw related
fallow hinge
ur outlaw related
sacred saddle
Oh sweet this week's ptr notes are out, I can't wait to read the changes for my favorite spec, outlaw rogue 
late swallow
The mystic touch buff is the closest thing outlaw will get to ptr tuning btw
Screencap this
civic zephyr
sacred saddle
Can't wait for the aura 3% nerf to compensate as the only change we get after this
lone spear
again?
dawn talon
Let’s keep the chatter outlaw related
killing spree bad
target cap
DAE blade rush should be good
[crackshot discourse]
why am i out of energy???
house of cards?
anything else
errant arrow
that does make me grrr
sacred saddle
Pretend you're throwing pocket sand and it's all g
grim spear
untold pine
what belt power should i be using for mythic mug zee?
quaint mauve
my handses hurt
teal dust
frank bane
I know right!
quaint mauve
im hardstuck in the 80-85% range for ar gahhh
frank bane
It's kind of unfair for us to ask for changes. We get 1 ability reworked and that took away from mages getting another 6316161 buffs. How dare we.
lone spear
i will carry the cope brothers
frank bane
lone spear
there was a bug with new DH spec that needed urgent attention
so realz was busy, but hes back on us now
dawn tundra
Aight, so I decided to do Mythic Raiding for the first time and I just killed Vexie. Should I get the Spare Keys?
frank finch
max with the shoutout to zacs group on stream today
frank bane
Can't wait to give my healers a heart attack next season XD.
dawn talon
oh shit dude i forgot
why is outlaw in stealth? if i wanted stealth id play subtlety (which ive never played)... bring back combat rogue (which also rotationally used vanish, and which i also never played)
quaint mauve
why is outlaw in stealth? if i wanted stealth id play subtlety (which ive never ...
because its a rogue still
late swallow
Oswalb you’re too good man
quaint mauve
;p
late swallow
dawn talon
because its a rogue still
it's even funnier bc do people think pirates were just like
sailing up to random boats w/o a care in the world?
no they were yknow
sneaking people onto ships
late swallow
Skullduggery
dawn talon
(stealthily!)
dawn talon
and pretending to be mercantile vessels (subtle, maybe?)
quaint mauve
WOWWW
quaint mauve
Underhanded tactics to gain the upper hand!!!!!
and and
when they got the OPPORTUNITY
they uhhh
late swallow
limpid kiln
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
solemn drift
Killing spree?
gentle geyser
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
harsh forge
3% outlaw buff yippie!
jolly rune
does KIR use ambush?
gaunt phoenix
Nop
jolly rune
ty
quaint mauve
I HIT A NEW PB
91% in cinderbrew
up from 86
blizzard knows that if i get a trinket to drop that it’s over
strong halo
does outlaw suck at raiding this tier?
Only ahead of frost mages and balance Druids according to Warcraft logs
tender wedge
This tier? It’s fine
frank finch
outlaw is fine
tender wedge
Some fights kinda ban you from playing one hero tree though
But it’s all good, variety is the spice of life
grim spear
yep
grim spear
m+ lucky coin was terrible
strong halo
like worst 3 in stats doesnt seem fine to me
grim spear
define fine
decent dmg, enough fun
strong halo
jolly rune
the chart has a huge spread specifically for outlaw. The class is a lot harder to play than people realize, if you look at the top performers they are all around the same.
grim spear
just too few people playing this spec
jolly rune
look how low outlaw goes, peopel try it and do horrible
but the top people can keep up
gaunt phoenix
outlaw is kinda dog on farm
no burst on vexie
etc
On prog outlaw was near the top
people were like outlaw is good?!!?!?!
gaunt phoenix
ofc outlaw still looks good on styx and bandit
gaunt phoenix
also the thing with triple dps classes
tender wedge
pretty sure there's also a boosted rogue in logs
theres a guy with 0s on like every boss
grim spear
tbh the class balance in this raid tier isn't that bad.
gaunt phoenix
there tends to be a skew with the good players playing the good spec
jolly rune
you dont think that evens out with how many players there are?
way more bad players than good
gaunt phoenix
not as much with triple dps classes i think
gaunt phoenix
but still
if you removed styx from the raid outlaw would be at the bottom in the aggregate
glossy pewter
Alright lads, got my rat outlaw through reclear and the mugzee fist dropped, now I don't know what to spend my Dinars on, Gally Weap, Zeethugs, Eye of Kezan?
gaunt phoenix
what M trinkets do you have?
gaunt phoenix
i think at least get M magnet
late swallow
M magnet sounds like you're stuttering
gaunt phoenix
geargrinder maybe though it is from the first boss and uncontested drop
glossy pewter
oh i thought you meant mythic reclear
yea we did vexie- Mugzee- gally, not sure if we will do others
strong halo
can get M pacemaker and possibly geargrinder
That’s what I run, for some reason signet now sims tiny bit better
glossy pewter
can get M pacemaker and possibly geargrinder
you think late kezan is bad? think they will gut it by next tier?
quaint mauve
kezan is meh in m+
gaunt phoenix
kezan is good if you can keep it stacked but depends on key/route
strong halo
yea we did vexie- Mugzee- gally, not sure if we will do others
Wild they skip OAB
Ring and trinket potential
languid coral
anyone got zacks crosshair weak aura its not in his weak aura module
quaint mauve
i wanted that too ngl
quaint mauve
i watched one stream of his and recrafted back to outlaw
tbf i only started playing this spec after watching his youtube video
doing rookery
late swallow
there are maybe like 2 or 3 other people that come close to playing like zac
bro is a bad spec ambassador
he is built different
strong halo
He’s a dirty bug abuser
quaint mauve
there are maybe like 2 or 3 other people that come close to playing like zac
me and awang
late swallow
awangawangawangawang
tender wedge
why only the dirty bugs get abused, dont they have it bad enough already
strong halo
Awang is also a bug henchman
languid coral
but yo anyone got something similar at least with the crosshairs
languid coral
i dont want some cod looking ui
glass mortar
spec is fine in raid but it doesnt show up because it doesnt benifit from farm and its very difficult compared
its numbers r fine
but they kinda need to be more then fine
strong halo
I’m just getting clapped by evokers tho
glass mortar
to make top players wanna play it
strong halo
It’s not fine
glass mortar
well now we have been handily outscaled
from the ilvl bump
and evoker is just absurd
cd specs on farm + very minor falloff from scaling
strong halo
I’m getting clapped by freaking Barney
glass mortar
like if ur in near bis ur probably at what, 3m 80k sim dps
pretty sure top devs sim like 3.4m
xd
we r tuned higher in aoe then we are in st this season tbh but our st is fine
just not outstanding
late swallow
I’m just getting clapped by evokers tho
they're omega giga rn
it's okay king
just remember that you'll dominate them in your weekly vault keys
strong halo
I put 1.5m on a fury warr felt good
quaint mauve
I’m getting clapped by freaking Barney
their class is OP, my class is weak
remember
🙏🏽
glossy pewter
i think at least get M magnet
How do I use the magnet if I convince them to kill stix, max stacks?
quaint mauve
How do I use the magnet if I convince them to kill stix, max stacks?
i think the guide says it doesn’t matter?
I THINK
gaunt phoenix
yea just slam it, but hold for amp bosses
strong halo
So you just use it every 15 seconds lol?
strong halo
How do I use the magnet if I convince them to kill stix, max stacks?
What did you use coins on?
glossy pewter
What did you use coins on?
still in raid, but grabbed a Zee Thug insta
gonna go gally weap
strong halo
I thought zee thug bugged a lot
glossy pewter
I thought zee thug bugged a lot
no clue, listened to the robots
grim spear
so will we get any change before ptr ends?
prisma heron
What coin trinket for m+?
I have signet and geargrinder right now
quaint mauve
What coin trinket for m+?
I have signet and geargrinder right now
i’d assume pace
sim it
opaque flume
whats the best way to sim for m+? didnt see anything in the pins
quaint mauve
whats the best way to sim for m+? didnt see anything in the pins
no raid buffs both ST and dungeon slice is what i do :p
tender wedge
I thought zee thug bugged a lot
Apparently they need to be out when lust is popped or they don’t get the extra bonus
fallow frost
sad to see rogues untouched another patch in ptr... 😦
keen belfry
@ripe ibex im getting screenshots of u typing my name in dwilkz stream LMAO
ripe ibex
@past falcon
past falcon
hello
keen belfry
@past falcon
finite arch
is there a huge dps loss if i run deft manuevers over swift slasher in M+?
keen belfry
sup @past falcon reader the book
opaque flume
no raid buffs both ST and dungeon slice is what i do :p
dungeon slice is good for outlaw? :0
quaint mauve
dungeon slice is good for outlaw? :0
idk i always do both
dim widget
dungeon slice is good for outlaw? :0
It can approximate decently yes
DSlice sim has become way better in recent years
analog mulch
How does outlaw look in 11.2 in comparison to live in terms of gameplay?
dim widget
Less dead
analog mulch
But just as fast/smooth?
dim widget
Depends what they do with new KS channel
But outside of that still a lot of presses yes
opaque flume
But outside of that still a lot of presses yes
we love APM dont we folks
dim widget
Just a banger feeling that my mechanical gameplay actually makes a difference
And if they ever change that on outlaw I prob stop playing wow
Tried a lot of other melees and always fall asleep playing
dim widget
Is that right?
Not rng
It scales with CP spent
Which can be further increased by super charging with RtB
But I don't remember if that's worth on PTR rn
Oh well
Now I get what you mean with rng
Ye afaik, ks hits random in a cone in front of you
So if unlucky, you hit the lil piss shit mobs instead of your main target with it
analog mulch
Ah oke, thanks for the info
grim spear
you can just flip coins instead of channeling
vivid vessel
Ye and lose all your prio aswell
proven ocean
@vivid vessel LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
wtf
did u see the crazy unholy buffs
also why is monk now 8%
LOOOOOOOL
they want melee comps to shine
or someshit
crazy shit
fathom bramble
what do the group buffs even add up to now
proven ocean
yeah
fathom bramble
like 20% ?
proven ocean
it can reach 20% or more
frail veldt
it literally is just marks, outlaw, warrior
proven ocean
for sub its already way more than 20
fathom bramble
feral
frail veldt
but now you end up with it being kinda insane for certain stuffs
vivid vessel
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fathom bramble
it just makes physical damage dealers even less desirable though
proven ocean
now they''re forcing specific comps
fathom bramble
since you probably won't often have the 8%
fathom bramble
and you will be tuned around it
brisk crypt
!LOGS
fathom bramble
since you probably won't often have the 8%
at least for pugs
brisk crypt
!logs
vivid vessel
Idk how to feel about raid buffs honestly
vivid vessel
One one hand I have always said raid buffs are trash and you can't tune around raid buffs
frail veldt
personally
proven ocean
i hate forcing specific classes
vivid vessel
On the other hand without raid buffs you can't play 2 comps like you did this tier
haughty wigeon
i think thats the point in this case zeross
vivid vessel
Which is quite new
woeful otter
why rogue still no change
frail veldt
make it better?
haughty wigeon
giga buffing brew
frail veldt
wild
proven ocean
to make sure brew is played
no its because max saw our runs with monksea on his podcast and liekd it and hes talking about it everyday now and devs heard about it
and they're milking what'ever he says
fathom bramble
I don't think the physical debuff buff should have been in the form of just making it stronger
give it like 2% critical strike damage or something
vivid vessel
Hell nah
fathom bramble
instead of just further carving out the niche that makes it occasionally a bad buff
proven ocean
all due respect
frail veldt
problem is
frail veldt
cuz people dgaf about physical buff
vivid vessel
Ross
frail veldt
then I just have to parse with fucking ankle weights on
proven ocean
making mechanics against melees
fathom bramble
you will be tuned around having 8% physical damage anyway
fathom bramble
this just makes not having it way worse
vivid vessel
What do you think about next tier meta that is shaping up
vivid vessel
(Caster comp)
proven ocean
and voice
and no manual assignments
and we play 100x harder
for fucking
10 times more effort
cuz every mechanic in the fucking game is anti melee friendly
haughty wigeon
nah i get it
proven ocean
AND U GET THAT DENTED ASS DEV WHO ADDS 1 RANGED MECHANIC IN 10 DUNGEONS
AND SAYS
SEEEEEEEEEE
haughty wigeon
that have NO MONK
this
haughty wigeon
not sure if its known
haughty wigeon
chaos brand still stronger than mystic touch
for some reason
until you have like
vivid vessel
Have you seen the new mechanics in HOA Ross lol
haughty wigeon
more physical melee than normal melee
proven ocean
What do you think about next tier meta that is shaping up
very nice very nice i hope they keep it up i love this balancing of ranged being meta every season omgomgomgogmogmogmogmgomg
proven ocean
Have you seen the new mechanics in HOA Ross lol
no
vivid vessel
Church room where you have the miniboss at the end
You have spreads
That are like
20 yards
Aoes
vivid vessel
On every guy
proven ocean
or
proven ocean
unkempt cypress
Remove ranged imo make everyone 5 yds fuck em
vivid vessel
And last boss, same AOE size around the boss and the statues
proven ocean
fuck these monkey ass pieces of shit
unkempt cypress
Acro was too op but not 40 yds????
proven ocean
atleast im playing a game
where devs
are actually the best players
in the game
rn
like
its crazy insane how every content released
is perfectly tuned
and everything is balanced
osrs is crazy good with all the super hard ass content they release
fathom bramble
Acro was too op but not 40 yds????
I prefer to phrase it as some specs having a spec passive that is 1000% stronger than acro
unkempt cypress
Better yet make OL 40 yds and rename to bladefall
vivid vessel
Melee has become as cringe as casters ngl
With all the
Move out of the boss and afk
They do now
Like way too often
It wasn't like that back in the days
vivid vessel
You had Perma 100% uptime it was good
proven ocean
Melee has become as cringe as casters ngl
as cringe as casters wdym
casters always have a good time
tender wedge
i think the issue is, both melee and ranged always had things that made them lose uptime - ranged had movement (ignore BM), and melee had to move off target
vivid vessel
Casters mechanics are : move to point B and don't cast
tender wedge
but now all ranged have movement abilities and it's "good play" to mitigate that downtime
vivid vessel
Which everyone hates
proven ocean
Casters mechanics are : move to point B and don't cast
thats not true bro
tender wedge
and melee have nothing like that
proven ocean
what
vivid vessel
And a big part of why I chose melee instead
proven ocean
do u not play caster
zac
listen
mage has infinite blinks they never lose casts, priest has alot of in between movement casts
which u really cant see
dont mention resto shaman because im gonna fucking snap casters dont count
even then
they have shit to press too
dim widget
Casters mechanics are : move to point B and don't cast
Except we have to do it because ranges go "Muh casts, melee more mobility" or they already died to tank frontal 
haughty wigeon
theres some cringe caster mechanics
i really dont think theres a winner in the cringe mechanic olympics personally
just funny outliers
like haladronis
vivid vessel
theres some cringe caster mechanics
Except before melee wasn't like that
We weren't Perma forced out of melee
balmy topaz
Difference is (and this is the reason we had acro) we suffer from up time loss compared to every other spec as it effect present and future dps
vivid vessel
I think it's like
haughty wigeon
about cringe range mechanics
vivid vessel
Since tww mostly
balmy topaz
Just give acro
haughty wigeon
and kiljaden
balmy topaz
Since tww mostly
Agree, DF was bad
vivid vessel
In the end it's still a video game
balmy topaz
TWW some how worse
haughty wigeon
not fun
balmy topaz
Giv Acro plz bliz
vivid vessel
Like kujo boss is a good example
Boss is fucking boring ass
And I was doing the mechanic before aswell
dim widget
Okay but kujo is ass for everyone
vivid vessel
Now I do the same except I afk
vivid vessel
Okay but kujo is ass for everyone
Not saying the opposite
Just saying back in the days melees didn't have these things
dim widget
Well but define back in the day
haughty wigeon
we still had to do it
vivid vessel
Not even acro thing
dim widget
Kujo was ass in bfa already
vivid vessel
You didn't have fucking 20 yards AOE every pack and boss
vivid vessel
Don't think you understand my point
dim widget
Ye we dooming
woeful otter
Where are the devs ?
dim widget
Brothers in arms
brisk spear
We are all sad together 
dim widget
Surely we will get some banger one button rotation changes next week oh man am I excited
obsidian walrus
KEKW
vivid vessel
sin giga ass down bad
so sin is down bad but not outlaw eh
frank finch
is sinh doing less dmg then live
radiant root
hot olive
👀
tulip quarry
vivid vessel
is sinh doing less dmg then live
i doubt that since it didnt get nerfed
just got a new tier
frank finch
mighty pivot
I just realised after getting them both in my vault, that blizzard decided to add two bracers with virtually same haste/mastery balance in both meadery and floodgate 
like why
they are 10 secondaries apart
mighty pivot
i did get seraphic wraps though, 4 weeks before season end but can't complain
wraith mantle
Random question and there's probably no definite answer yet but I really dislike KIR
Will it be played next season ?
fluid meadow
maaan Mystic Touch now increases Physical damage taken by 8% (was 5%).
wraith mantle
Nvm, found the pin
stuck lion
Mathematically speaking, which buff would we prefer more now, the attack power from warriors or the mystic touch from monk
wraith mantle
mighty pivot
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mighty pivot
Mathematically speaking, which buff would we prefer more now, the attack power f...
check the spreadsheet above to see the current state of the buffs
MT will move ahead of BS with the buff
uncut sleet
Is Pacemaker good in any scenario? Atm i use [Geargrinder's Spare Keys][Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet] myth track
delicate seal
maaan Mystic Touch now increases Physical damage taken by 8% (was 5%).
They stole our buff
mighty pivot
literally. combat used to give physical damage amp
we finally max out the shitbelt this week too. no more 2 min level 1 delve chores
balmy topaz
I think there is 1 more
mighty pivot
701
normal forge
any1 else having hard time launching wow?
all of the sudden my game is not opening, like....
mighty pivot
that happens sometimes. You can try to open the task manager and kill all wow and battlenet processes
frank finch
From looking at the raid buffs I didn’t know sub and sin get more then outlaw in a physical comp
vivid vessel
From looking at the raid buffs I didn’t know sub and sin get more then outlaw in...
It's basically the same
We get more from monk
They get more from totem
tender wedge
Is Pacemaker good in any scenario? Atm i use [Geargrinder's Spare Keys][Junkmaes...
It’s decent in keys, and generally a pretty good option if you want a passive trinket.
Sim it I guess
uncut sleet
It’s decent in keys, and generally a pretty good option if you want a passive tr...
sims say a small loss like 4k ish in aoe and 15k loss in st. Just not sure if it is a simtrap or not
tender wedge
It’s a pretty basic stat trinket, least sim trappy thing you can get
uncut sleet
i guess i will take it for assa. I like the two on use trinkets
uncut sleet
It’s a pretty basic stat trinket, least sim trappy thing you can get
mb was revering to the magnet, i am not sure how often the sims use it. I read it can be used on cd in st
tender wedge
mb was revering to the magnet, i am not sure how often the sims use it. I read i...
I don’t know how sims use magnet but it’s pretty versatile, generally you send whenever or save a bit longer for a damage amp, really you just make sure you don’t sit on max stacks, and don’t use it if you want to use another on use in under 20s
The damage is linear so there’s no benefit to holding longer
lone spear
I don’t know how sims use magnet but it’s pretty versatile, generally you send w...
sims just use on cd iirc
obtuse junco
POV: your rogue telling you his phys comp is now OP with mystic touch
agile orchid
Your rogue doesn’t know blizzard is going to tune his class based on mystic touch
And if he doesn’t get a monk in his group he will do tank damage
quaint mauve
https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481
dagger combat is LAME
rain trout
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into BtE.
vivid vessel
I find it curious that both rogue and dh are not getting changes for the whole expac
Curious curious
I will not say anything else tho
But it's very curious !
Suspect even
lone crow
very suspect
fossil lintel
What do you mean? We got really good changes last week. One button now uses proper poison!
vivid vessel
True my bad !
past sphinx
realz atleast tell us your cooking up smthn
prisma vessel
on live i give up with fatebound, im just tortureing myself at this point (ill just die first boss of rookery then)
mighty pivot
I find it curious that both rogue and dh are not getting changes for the whole e...
daaamn they must be cooking a huge treat for both classes come midnight 
vivid vessel
Ye surely
haughty wigeon
Suspect even
Probs busy with voidman 3rd dh spec thats range and uses crossbows like Diablo 3
vivid vessel
Ye might be it
obtuse junco
I find it curious that both rogue and dh are not getting changes for the whole e...
y'all aint getting a 4th void spec?
haughty wigeon
Your getting gunslinger
And you’ll have a new weapon type
Pistol
All gun abilities moved to it and outlaw gets fun things like rupture back
And renamed to combat
prisma vessel
surely
mighty pivot
gunslinger with active reload mechanic 
normal forge
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
Heard about the wildfires near marseilles
ye they stoppped trains around there so my mom is stuck at marseille
she had to take an hotel for the night
late swallow
ye they stoppped trains around there so my mom is stuck at marseille
Hope mama bear gets home safe
vivid vessel
its not unusual to have big fires in france around that time of the year
and this year is particularly hot
grand hatch
its not unusual to have big fires in france around that time of the year
i mean fire is a normal thing in paris 
late swallow
its not unusual to have big fires in france around that time of the year
hmm, I guess I just never really about it usually
those fires better not fuck with le tour 
late swallow
le tour is goated, but you just gotta enjoy it
late swallow
most boring shit ever
i feel the same way about literally every other sport
vivid vessel
i feel the same way about literally every other sport
i mean thats why i dont watc hsport kekw
only league
or csgo
late swallow
Rogue rework cooking
people are saying there is a shadow PTR build that's just for rogue
quick juniper
I deleted rogue already
late swallow
they couldn't put it in with the rest of the changes because the scale of the rework is so large
copper radish
Less than a month boys and we finally get some new tier
How is this new cloak looking for outlaw?
vivid vessel
Rogue is so good it just need a few touch up there and here especially on the hero talents, it would be very typical of blizzard to continue doing nothing for an entire expac, then just restart everything from scratch with an half assed rework that brings even more issues down the line
late swallow
don't bring up df s3 bro
balmy topaz
Bring back dreadblades
balmy topaz
I just want Acro back
late swallow
gimme uhhhhh acro and uhhhhh lemme get a uhhh talent node for the amirdrassil 4 piece
copper radish
Bring back dreadblades
This and acro is all I want
balmy topaz
gimme uhhhhh acro and uhhhhh lemme get a uhhh talent node for the amirdrassil 4 ...
What was that again
I lose track
copper radish
Stupid TOP boss with all the aoe shit. Acro was so good to stand away. Such a pain in the ass now
balmy topaz
Stupid TOP boss with all the aoe shit. Acro was so good to stand away. Such a pa...
Blizzard: Acro makes it look silly
Meanwhile ret pally doing their rotation 25 yards away
late swallow
What was that again
balmy topaz
Ohh yeah this shit was fire
latent oak
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
late swallow
Ohh yeah this shit was fire
gimme that shit instead of sleight
copper radish
I’m ready to have a 100% adr and ghostly uptime gonna be a fun season
copper radish
It’s gonna be fun. Never gonna feel energy starved every again
balmy topaz
Hi solo
gaunt phoenix
i dunno it's KIR which will have some low moments
gaunt phoenix
Hi solo <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
copper radish
We gonna be running vigor with KIR this time around tho right?
gaunt phoenix
Nop
copper radish
We got supercharger working with it then?
gaunt phoenix
Supercharger kir was already a thing before this season
copper radish
I’m saying with the new tier. Thought it was leaning towards vigor over SC
gaunt phoenix
nah i dont think the tier affects vigor
vivid vessel
i dunno it's KIR which will have some low moments
i have higher adr uptime on ptr at least
so there is that
but i swear the fact even with adr current outlaw can play like a classic spec
is crazy
balmy topaz
What is your adr uptime on ptr?
gaunt phoenix
ye xd
vivid vessel
What is your adr uptime on ptr?
100% prolly
gaunt phoenix
98%
vivid vessel
in a key without wipes
vivid vessel
by tune
copper radish
Love blizz updating KS then we gotta do shit like cancel it to min max 😂
balmy topaz
Ye
vivid vessel
no matter the duration 
balmy topaz
It needs to be impactful
copper radish
Why even max CP it then why not send it on one lol
wintry solar
It takes a 5cp channel to grant full cp no?
vivid vessel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XDGfktr4cv8gYaxz?fight=last&type=auras&source=2 here latest key i did, taht was mostly clean, i died on second boss
so
first little hole is running to first pack
copper radish
Uptimes looking amazing
vivid vessel
the big hole is death
and the hole at 14min is downtime running between 2 packs
so its basically 100%
late swallow
double it and give it to the next guy
vivid vessel
And like outlaw is fairly fun on ptr, the only things that are bad is ks channel being infinite too long
And trickster ub/eb just feels terrible
Maybe there is a way to update the weak aura but I doubt it
And without it it's just rng
You get stacks when you don't except it
You don't have time to react cause it's up to 0.5s delayed
Also the fact outlaw does 0 damage
And it feels quite rng still
vivid vessel
Ye
But you have to press SS to consume it
And you are expected to try and force it
But I just wanna spend my pistol shot procs
Or press bf
Or ADR
Bro the opener is so scuffed
It's like
You go into pack
late swallow
ahhh I see I see
vivid vessel
Do subt window
Ks
You are at max cp
You finish
You build
You coup
Coup again
All the while you have 2 vanish sitting there
And you would have the time to farm an entire one
During all this shit
copper radish
So you pretty much miss two vanish windows with this opener is what I’m getting? 🪦
wintry solar
That's crazy
late swallow
hey popo 
copper radish
Can they buff fatebound aoe so we can just run it for everything
wintry solar
hey popo <:peepo_smile:1288214711871078503>
Sup
vivid vessel
idk if i wasnt perma overcapping escalatiing blades the opener could be ks > vanish > coup > couop instead
so you dont waste infinite cdr
glass mortar
crazy how hard letting unseen stack up to 8 would goi
fix 99% of these problems i swear
we will never get it tho
gaunt phoenix
idk if they would let sub have quad coup
glass mortar
sounds like a problem they shoulda thought about when they designed hero talents for two specs then, not an outlaw problem 😠
they shoulda designed around that from the start for sub and law
but now here we are
at least shaman guy recognized the issue
copper radish
Sub quad coup sounds like it would be a fun time
They could u know always revert the double coup fix lol
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix , on live i cast ks about 3.3 times a minute, on ptr 2.2, but time spent in ks on ptr is 8% while on live its 7, maybe im pressing low cp ks too often on live now tho idk
but ye
interesting data i came about
copper radish
So less casts and more time spent. Good thing they 12% buffed it 😂
proven ocean
So less casts and more time spent. Good thing they 12% buffed it 😂
balmy topaz
<@921608341048930304> , on live i cast ks about 3.3 times a minute, on ptr 2.2, ...
Is it 5+ or 6+ for KS on live
vivid vessel
more like similar time spent in ks cause its longer and you can cast it at high cps more often
but its a longer cd so it shouldnt be similar
but ye
balmy topaz
As in like you said you pressing too low CPs
Are you suppose to be at 5 or more or 6 or me CPs
To press KS
On live
vivid vessel
its a normal finisher
you are supposed to use it like a nomrla finisher
except that aint possible
gaunt phoenix
hmm in live sims you are in KS like 13% of the time
vivid vessel
so you do low cp finisher quite often with it (like 1cp )
proven ocean
hmm in live sims you are in KS like 13% of the time
gaunt phoenix
but yea interesting
vivid vessel
Maybe I should look at a low key where I press it at high cp more
vivid vessel
I looked at floodgate tho
It's one of the hardest high cp ks key
But I don't have another key I can compare 1:1
proven ocean
Brb sleep again
gaunt phoenix
cancel - 8%
gaunt phoenix
gamer
vivid vessel
You feel like you are just wasting so much man
gaunt phoenix
and now clock is ticking
vivid vessel
and now clock is ticking
Aren't you getting used to it by now
It's been a theme lately
gaunt phoenix
ye
gaunt phoenix
wintry solar
Lucked out getting the good venth dungeon
gaunt phoenix
nice pistol shots
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
ok but
thats actaully crazy no ?
lol sollo
look
ah nah its ks cleaving
mb
i tought bf press
was doing ps damage
gaunt phoenix
nice
mighty pivot
insane focusing lens damage
copper radish
Unseen blades been great since season one. The S2 buff for it made it ridiculous
gaunt phoenix
should make it do cosmic dmg
mighty pivot
well outlaw is like death by a thousand cuts, nothing hits hard