blade dance isn't a spell, you could cast it
#outlaw
glass mortar
how do u see that blade dance isnt a spell
idk what flag they use to distinguish
i was just checking wowhead and blade dances subcatagory wasnt under abilities
wintry solar
You would
glass mortar
i see its down further in the tags "is ability" i assume
fallow hinge
how do u see that blade dance isnt a spell
most attacks aren't spells - I think it's derived from the damage scalers though
like if it goes off wdps it's not treated as a spell by the game
glass mortar
yes im looking for the actual tag modifier they use to differentiate
fallow hinge
like if druids get kicked during convoke they can still use rake and shred and stuff
glass mortar
between say, a sinister strike and a fireball
because even abilities have spellschools
but i think i found it
fallow hinge
I'm like 90% sure it's down to whether or not the coefficient is wdps or spell power
so it's something to do with that stat, as it were
glass mortar
hmm
didnt it lock you out of using chaos nova tho
im trying to remember what it prevented
i mean every dh damage ability uses AP and getting kicked on eye beam definitly locked you out of a few things so
its probably just some arbritrary flag they have in the background
glass mortar
good times anyway i loved kicking eye beam
now u just gouge it
and walk away cause dh is suck anyway
sudden fulcrum
why don't you?
fallow hinge
'cuz I've only done 2 10s
fallow hinge
when's the last time you invited a 667 shadow to a 10 when there's like 100 680+ people in the queue
fallow hinge
and my usual crowd either don't play tues or are currently doing other stuff
so that's why I don't have 2 slots
copper owl
Looking at oulaw logs it seems like for most fights the top parses are typically using hidden opportunity, but then for sprocket, almost everyone is using keep it rolling. What's going on there?
glass mortar
u cannot play HO
late swallow
FB HO 
glass mortar
well u could, but it would be fatebound HO, our worst build
copper owl
ohhh because they're all on FB I see
glass mortar
yes u cant play trickster on mythic sprocket
fallow hinge
kinda sounds like you do
fallow hinge
I don't speak cringe, use your big boy words
dim lava
what could be the cause of me never having any energy?
fallow hinge
what could be the cause of me never having any energy?
bad use of builders
sudden fulcrum
what could be the cause of me never having any energy?
poor sleep patterns
late swallow
I don't speak cringe, use your big boy words
Your chat history would beg to differ
fallow hinge
are you specced for KiR and still pressing Ambush? that's usually a culprit for that question
late swallow
dim lava
poor sleep patterns
i dont sleep
sudden fulcrum
that'll do it
fallow hinge
kinda cringe to snoop someone's chat history
sudden fulcrum
somnius the type of person to stalk social media
fallow hinge
good job this is the only social media I have
sudden fulcrum
i guess that is kinda rogue-like
late swallow
it's called OSINT
fallow hinge
what's called osint
sudden fulcrum
being a stalker i guess
fallow hinge
I see
late swallow
muffin feeling a little catty today huh
sudden fulcrum
well am i wrong?
late swallow
did the fat lady at the bodega in front of you take too long to order today?
dim lava
are you specced for KiR and still pressing Ambush? that's usually a culprit for ...
well yes but how does that cause energy issues?
sudden fulcrum
i'm not sure i've ever been in a bodega
dim lava
and how to fix
fallow hinge
and how to fix
1- stop pressing ambush
ornate heathBOT
Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.
fallow hinge
without hidden opportunity, ambush doesn't inherit the stuff about sinister strike that makes it worth pressing
problem solved :3
late swallow
i'm not sure i've ever been in a bodega
damn I'm sorry king
dim lava
gracias ❤️
late swallow
you somewhere on the east coast?
sudden fulcrum
nice try
sudden fulcrum
if i am even a he
wintry solar
I'll take the chance
river forum
hi, what kind of embellishments do we want for m+?
sudden fulcrum
hi, what kind of embellishments do we want for m+?
dawn/duskthread whichever combination sims best, or double duskthread if you want more survivability
frail veldt
dawn/duskthread whichever combination sims best, or double duskthread if you wan...
thought it was focusing lens still
yeah its focusing lens
glass mortar
They r almost identical
sacred saddle
I'll take the chance
- named "muffin"
- brandon sanderson quote in bio
- assassin player
- tag from golang discord
idk, seems risky
frail veldt
ye
glass mortar
Depends how many slots u have to put it on tho
Which at this point is next to none if ur in bis
frail veldt
i'm not sure i've ever been in a bodega
what even is a bodega
glass mortar
All ur crafted r probably ur jewelry and u can't put thread on those
sudden fulcrum
what even is a bodega
i think it's a convenience store
frail veldt
ah
some fucking east coast slang
weirdos
I think cornerstore is also an acceptable term
glass mortar
What if it's not on a corner tho
wintry solar
- named "muffin"
- brandon sanderson quote in bio
- assassin player
- tag from g...
I hit on 18 in blackjack
frail veldt
What if it's not on a corner tho
I mean what if its not convenient
lime lake
an inconvenience store
covert kestrel
I mean what if its not convenient
Bodegas are always convenient
wintry solar
walmart
frail veldt
Bodegas are always convenient
sounds like you should call them convenience stores
late swallow
mewo with the linguistic semantics
ayo fuck cultural context
what does the word LITERALLY mean
me and my homies hate context
covert kestrel
sounds like you should call them convenience stores
Sounds like you hate immigrants and Latino run businesses/lasting cultural impact on the tapestry of the city
Mew "ICE Agent" O
late swallow
mewo 100% turning his neighbors in fr fr
on the phone peeking through the blinds "yes officer I have someone to report"
dull tinsel
Is Zee's thug hotline simbait? a 658 version sims better than a 671 pacemaker
covert kestrel
Is Zee's thug hotline simbait? a 658 version sims better than a 671 pacemaker
Link sim and also if you're using cudgel you can't use hotline in keys
It's a good trinket in raid but shouldn't be that good
gaunt phoenix
zee is good in raid
tawny thorn
is there a makro for kir builds not to use ambush?
dull tinsel
Link sim and also if you're using cudgel you can't use hotline in keys
why cant you use cugdel if you use hotline?
covert kestrel
is there a makro for kir builds not to use ambush?
Just take it off your bars,
covert kestrel
why cant you use cugdel if you use hotline?
The goons break the condition for the cudgel to reset
random stirrup
why cant you use cugdel if you use hotline?
goons keep you in combat so vanish will not proc cudgel again
tawny thorn
Just take it off your bars,
does sinister strike not auto change to ambush?
covert kestrel
does sinister strike not auto change to ambush?
KiR doesn't take that talent so no
dull tinsel
The goons break the condition for the cudgel to reset
ah okay ty!
dull anvil
Hello, i simed my friends character today and i noticed that the sample rotation is using BtE way too often for 45 sec cooldown, is there a talent that allows that or is it a bug on the side of raidbots?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cXRSZt2afnyreE1oCNCbny
winter cave
God I've went back to my Rogue to have some outlaw fun
subtle field
Has there been any nice changes in ptr, that makes outlaw better?
winter cave
I don't know if I'm absolutely horrendous but dmg is so bad in keys I feel bad
winter cave
Has there been any nice changes in ptr, that makes outlaw better?
yes rework of Killing Spree
at least you don't kill yourself in addition to vomiting when casting it
gaunt phoenix
Hello, i simed my friends character today and i noticed that the sample rotation...
It has no cooldown during stealth windows
Crackshot talent
dull anvil
like this much?
dull anvil
I see! thanks
dull anvil
I did not try rogue in TWW, so i was not sure and the friend did not know either, thanks for clarification!
late swallow
Outlaw is well implemented in simc
Patting yourself on the back I see
winter cave
I manage to get about 5,5M sustained on dummies, but in keys I'm an absolute disaster. Guess my positionning sucks.
It kinda feels meh to put twice the effort as other specs for such a result though 😐
glass mortar
That's law
umbral verge
Does the killing spree change make OL more accessible to old people
winter cave
but I think I'm doing something very very wrong still
mighty pivot
define old people
wintry solar
Isn't that more than half the time?
proven ocean
More like everytime
wintry solar
I was trying to be generous but yeah
wintry solar
Just needs oil or something
mighty pivot
oil and some fire
sudden fulcrum
you gotta be dented to call outlaw strong on PTR. bro is trying to get us nerfed
keen belfry
is ptr still down
proven ocean
is ptr still down
The only thing down rn is my chicken tikka masala
Man i love korean barbecue sauce
sudden fulcrum
Indian food gives me stomach issues 
proven ocean
No shit
mighty pivot
it is down because they are still preparing to deploy the huge list of outlaw changes :)
proven ocean
If ur ordering it 90% of the time it aint clean
proven ocean
If ur ordering it 90% of the time it aint clean
100% of the time*
wintry solar
I found something called tiger sauce and I've been putting it on almost everything
fallow hinge
is it made from real tigers?
sudden fulcrum
where the gochujang at
proven ocean
I know that u have a tiger fetish but no
copper radish
love when i can knock out a few quests with one delve each week
fallow hinge
where the gochujang at
we got some of that in the fridge
sudden fulcrum
i have some homemade stuff and it's soooo good
wintry solar
love when i can knock out a few quests with one delve each week
Reminds me of when the SL callings were all in the same zone
fallow hinge
that happened to me yesterday
I want a bow transmog that only comes from path of ascension tier 5, so I've had to grind that shitty place for anima
wintry solar
So much anima
sudden fulcrum
unbearable
wintry solar
And people did it when it was current content
fallow hinge
yeah PoA max tier alone is like 50k anima
wintry solar
I still haven't gotten Kyrian to 80
fallow hinge
not to mention the other upgrades
copper radish
I still haven't gotten Kyrian to 80
could do that in less than an hour rn lol
wintry solar
Now I'm not doing it out of spite
copper radish
go farm vengeance GG 80 kyrian
wintry solar
I'll do it on my dk I guess
indigo token
id rather turn my nutsack into a fine paste than grind SL rep
copper radish
SL the best xpack
wintry solar
I think so, yeah
Gameplay wise
The farming shit sucked
But everything I played was hella fun
glass mortar
I thought priory was part of next season
wintry solar
I think it is
copper radish
no more priory
enjoy all of next season too XD
glass mortar
The one with the gauntlet at the end
indigo token
What's wrong with priory?
nah im just tired of doin the same dungeons
glass mortar
And the last boss u only half kill
indigo token
im looking forward to 2 same dungeons
glass mortar
Think so
lime lake
no
halls of atonement is the triple shards at the start
then statue man at the end
the other was sanguine depths
indigo token
id rather rip out my toenails than do TOP agian
glass mortar
Yea nvm its the other one
The one that starts outside
Oh nice I can't send messages anymore
It's OK bel corrected
frank finch
wintry solar
I don't think you like dungeons tbh
indigo token
https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/dungeon-testing-july-8th-july-16th...
i wanna do ptr testing
but no WA's
the cd manager sucks
random stirrup
why no was
indigo token
isnt ptr no wa's
random stirrup
you can just import them from live
indigo token
oh how
random stirrup
oh how
you can open ptr and live at the same time
open wa on live, right click pack, click export
open wa on ptr, click import
indigo token
yeah but how do you get the was to import on PTR
sudden fulcrum
i had no issues using WAs on PTR
keen belfry
want to change some talents per dungy and i wanna make WAs
gaunt phoenix
yeah but how do you get the was to import on PTR
idk the right way to do it, but i copied wtf+interface folders onto ptr but still had to log into live to copy the import strings
random stirrup
yeah but how do you get the was to import on PTR
this button should work on ptr just like it does on live
all my stuff imports no problem
gaunt phoenix
ya
glass mortar
I assume thr person was asking how to even get the wa add on on ptr
hybrid crown
You can import wow classic weak auras and sometimes they work lol
glass mortar
U cant import stuff without having wa installed on ptr
frail veldt
use curseforge
to install addons onto the ptr version of the game
its very very very easy
glass mortar
Or copy paste ur folders yea
frail veldt
and allows you to select alpha version
glass mortar
If u don't have an add on manager
frail veldt
I think everyojne should have an addon manager tbh lol
like this dropdown
is amazing
random stirrup
wowup also good nowadays
frail veldt
individually manage the addons and release preferences for all the wow types you have
dense forge
Wake me up on class changes
frank finch
that is 3 hours from now
sudden fulcrum
July 8th is not a Wednesday
lime lake
sudden fulcrum
wintry solar
sudden fulcrum
nice fish stick changes
gaunt phoenix
man shadowlands feels like fucking yesterday
lime lake
sudden fulcrum
man shadowlands feels like fucking yesterday
that's because you are still in The Maw. wake up!
gaunt phoenix
copper radish
bring back double legos 2026
gaunt phoenix
i member playing venthyr gsw in tazavesh
copper radish
letting that blunder buss smash
copper radish
if only GSW was earlier in the tree
didnt they nerf its dmg at one point too since then
gaunt phoenix
ya it was 300% back then
copper radish
they should move it up in the tree so we can take it easier. maybe buff it so it effects each shot
copper radish
imagine those juicy FTHs when all the shots are critting like that
vivid vessel
every week
mighty pivot
they always fuck up the time, but fucking up the date is even better
wintry solar
Ptr notes are a myth
copper radish
do you think they would ever give us tier where we could swap out the secondaries on each piece?
glass mortar
we've had reforging and they got rid of it
so i doubt it
they clearly want a limit to the degree of minmaxing with secondaries u can do
pale girder
Understood, but when I tried learning sub, I just didn't like the spec.
quiet ore
gsw > blunderbuss
Oh the days of tracking both pistol shot and GSW buff durations to ensure you use the GSW buff before it falls off or is overwritten even if you don't get opportunity. It's been a long time since I had that WA visible.
wintry solar
Didn't you hold bte until you got an opportunity proc?
Unless certain criteria were met?
quiet ore
No? You tracked both because you send a GSW-only rawdog pistol shot if the GSW buff was about to run out. Technically, you still can do that, it just does almost nothing for you because GSW is smaller numerically, and oppo proc rate is higher, so it almost never happens anymore.
Infrequently enough, low enough impact, that even if you play GSW, imo, not worth tracking
wintry solar
Yes
sudden fulcrum
yep get your shadow priest ready
wintry solar
No? You tracked both because you send a GSW-only rawdog pistol shot if the GSW b...
Oh okay.
It's been so long
frank finch
jesus
quiet ore
It's been so long
Well, with Crackshot nobody even tried to play GSW now, and, like, crack shot windows munch GSW buffs like crazy anyway.
frank finch
buff to monk buff = outlaw buff
yea we not seeing shit until midnight
pack it up bois
wintry solar
Well, with Crackshot nobody even tried to play GSW now, and, like, crack shot wi...
Really didn't age well did it
frank finch
weird but the reason is sound
random stirrup
holy moly
latent oak
we are so vback
these are the only rogue notes in the patch tho
mighty pivot
only documented ones*
latent oak
truuu
simple dagger
8% monk phys buff 
keen belfry
why nor ogue changes
mighty pivot
I'm sure realz cooked so many amazing changes that he didn't have time to write them down
wintry solar
Does the copium ever make you nauseous?
frank finch
wernt fdk pumping on ptr
worldly shale
AYY new update ptr?
mighty pivot
Does the copium ever make you nauseous?
no I cloak each huff
dense forge
bro
they better prepare sth huge next weeks
or thats madness idk
i can accept a rework
im not a doomer
i have become
one
vivid vessel
Xdd
Maybe there are changes just not in patch notes
Like last weak
Ks channel duration reduced
dense forge
is that a thing?
frank finch
did the op looking specs get nerfed tho
worldly shale
anyone got some water?
latent oak
how can u get more mandatory than mandatory
dense forge
arcane mage buffed too
vivid vessel
Bro was fuming
vivid vessel
arcane mage buffed too
What
frank finch
its jover
vivid vessel
Kekw?
mighty pivot
why is wowhead hating on monks
frank finch
i will hold crashing out until i see the datamine
pliant wave
Where is Rogue changing?
indigo token
\
monk in phys comp locked in
which means either run brew, mw, or good luck getting a brez and lust
random stirrup
how long was KS before?
3.5 ish seconds with 7cp?
it is still that long to be clear
random stirrup
just making sure since they dont like writing sometimes
vivid vessel
it didnt change kekw
nothing changed
they legit
are doing
nothing
0
how long does it take
to modify
one number
indigo token
very long
vivid vessel
apparently
indigo token
please understand we're too busy drinking breast milk
coarse mesa
can we hire a rog dev
pliant wave
apparently
Zac, I feel like Outlaw is just objectively weaker than other DPS on the PTR right now, but some people are still rating it as A-tier or whatever. Why do you think that is? Are they just not paying enough attention and giving it an A-tier by default?
frank finch
vivid vessel
how do you get outlaw data
coarse mesa
soon no1 gonna play rogue
eager rose
rogue
pliant wave
I deliberately held back during the raid test and didn't even hit 2M, but isn't that being taken into account?
vivid vessel
now also consider other specs seems to be getting better tier than last tier
haughty wigeon
which means either run brew, mw, or good luck getting a brez and lust
i mean this isnt bad
because
brew
agile orchid
Mystic touch change is the dumbest shit ever
agile orchid
You don’t invite a monk, you lose 8% damage
haughty wigeon
i think its nice and gives people more of a reason to engage with monk
agile orchid
Just like that
agile orchid
How about they buff the phys comp classes
Instead of buffing the shit out of mystic touch
agile orchid
They need to revert it
haughty wigeon
after its solid rework
agile orchid
It’s dumb as shit
haughty wigeon
since they have to undo so much community perception of brew being shit
covert heart
I think its fine, make people actually wanna play with a monk especially brew. Its hard on the streets bring a brew
When I played it they didnt wanna invite you because they didnt even know what it does. Kind of like pres
frank finch
rate my take
zacs group pushing io with that phy comp made them buff mystic touch
"oh hey look at these guys pushing off meta that cute lets help them out"
neat mist
Pretty sure they have no idea who Zac or his group is
mint fulcrum
Hi guys could you tell me why people is going House of Cards with outlaw?
gaunt phoenix
Hi guys could you tell me why people is going House of Cards with outlaw?
none of our trinkets are impressive, it's just decent in aoe for kir
the real answer is zac liked it and that has trickled down into people copying it
mint fulcrum
dont even know who that guy is lmao
frank finch
covert heart
I feel like the new killing spree isn't long enough should make it 10 secs :p
dawn talon
felt pretty nice when i tried ot
gaunt phoenix
me neither
wintry solar
You will
haughty wigeon
I think its fine, make people actually wanna play with a monk especially brew. I...
this
like idk if people understand how good these brew changes are
to basically kil its negative community percetion
basically means
buff it to a point where people are forced to take it
or else they will always play caster comp
covert heart
Brew always ends up being pretty good at the end of a season just takes it forever to get there
covert heart
But people just think it's shit
mighty pivot
covert heart
If brew is crazy next season I cant imagine what those insane brew players are gonna do 🤣
timber knoll
Guys thoughts on the new rogue changes
covert heart
Huge changes today, they just left it off the notes
loud garden
Tomelvis more like tompelvis
ancient pollen
Yo look, we exist on the page
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
junior coral
hmm whats the addon where it auto uses tricks for you?
red zinc
what
gaunt phoenix
auto tricks?
red zinc
that'd be scripting
junior coral
sorry lol it does it on the tank
gaunt phoenix
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
its like addon/marco thing
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankMisdirect
it uses this macro
i have the macro still but i redid my ui and got rid of the addon
cant remember what it was, but ill just use that macro you linked
thanks
gaunt phoenix
it's weakaura macro combo
pliant wave
We kind of need to complain a bit too. When Mages feel even slightly weak, they flood Wowhead and the forums with posts, right?
vestal notch
they dont need to, they get changes every patch
junior coral
it's weakaura macro combo
thanks! always so helpful. i appericate you
gaunt phoenix
indigo token
We kind of need to complain a bit too. When Mages feel even slightly weak, they ...
to be fair
frost mage feels like ass rn
pliant wave
frost mage feels like ass rn
Has there ever been a time when even one of the Mage's three specs wasn't at least decent?
wintry solar
They've been in every rwf
azure vortex
Frost feels like ass => still has 5x the players of sub and outlaw
glass mortar
Has there ever been a time when even one of the Mage's three specs wasn't at lea...
about as often as at least one of rogues three specs wasnt at least decent
just pure dps things
dense bridge
I'm kind of laughing inside, all we got was nu-killing spree
Not a single other change
glass mortar
r we actually gunna end up with this fucking kspree
frail veldt
r we actually gunna end up with this fucking kspree
ofc we are
glass mortar
i doubt it but how would u ever prove that
covert heart
Shooting guns is pretty cool, I feel like the old killing spree felt more like a sub ability
glass mortar
i mean the new kspree is very cool, im talking about the 5 second cast time and doubled cd
and also at its current tuning its optimal to cancel it sometimes
azure vortex
Just make sectec new ks
proper bear
We got a 3% buff tho from monks
pliant wave
KS is basically a nerf if you’re looking at it purely from a DPS standpoint. Who thought it was a good idea to increase the cooldown to 3 minutes?
wintry solar
We got a 3% buff tho from monks
I don't know any monks
glass mortar
like we arent gunna try any changes to this version to see if the community thinks its more fun to play
wintry solar
So its inconsequential
dense bridge
They could've made it work like blade dance
glass mortar
i swear hunters and mages and shamans get abilities changed and then changed back 3-4 times a ptr cycle when they r getting something like this
we got "oh now its cd is doubled" and outy
surely some other change can be tested
ripe ibex
I don't know any monks
outlaw already was unplayable without monk
frail veldt
outlaw already was unplayable without monk
monk buff is weaker than war
ripe ibex
cool
glass mortar
shouldnt they be nearly the same?
frail veldt
but neither statement is true
ripe ibex
i’d say it’s bad without both
glass mortar
!fuu
ripe ibex
but we are talking about monk
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
frail veldt
shouldnt they be nearly the same?
tis the closest for outlaw
wintry solar
I'm not entertaining this
ripe ibex
okay we are talking about monk
glass mortar
they r literally identical
frail veldt
thats prob why they buffed monk
glass mortar
3.9% both in fuus sim
glass mortar
sure
frail veldt
but regardless
war buff is better
it doesnt require war hitting hte mob
and it affects all your abilities
as a melee/hutner spec
ripe ibex
whatever raid buffs ruin m+ zzz same thing again it will never change
covert heart
I feel like do pretty good damage without either buff so eh
frail veldt
yeah I mean outlaw is def very strong rn
overall damage wise
but outlaws as a concept needs to do better overall than other specs to warrant bringing it
cuz it doesnt have cooldowns that can be utilized
covert heart
I mean imma def try and get Monks in my group but it isnt gonna stop me from playing it haha
ripe ibex
yeah for sure but it’s going to be tuned with monk buff in mind
covert heart
True kind of like how survival is, if it isnt doing crazy damage it really isnt wanted
frail veldt
yeah for sure but it’s going to be tuned with monk buff in mind
nah just make sure to do raid without a monk for the first few weeks
ez
flood the logs with shit dps
covert heart
I am more of an mplus player so I'll be fine either way haha
ripe ibex
i wish raid buffs were just disabled in m+
hybrid crown
It's okay outlaw they are still cooking the KS fixes for sure
ripe ibex
and they did m+ tuning separate from raid
covert heart
Yea they prob just need some data or whatever with the 6 outlaw players in the ptr
copper radish
when does rogue get raid buff again lol
covert heart
The 5% dr 😜
hybrid crown
Maybe they buff atrophic yeah
copper radish
wtb aoe cdr
wintry solar
Okay
hybrid crown
I wonder if the monk buff is also to buff mele comps in keys
ripe ibex
i mean arophic is not bad
near rock
we're so back
covert heart
Oh def is to buff melee in general
hybrid crown
Maybe they are cooking a mele meta season
ripe ibex
its just some raid buffs are so unbelievably overtuned
craggy barn
holy monk buff buffed
covert heart
Also to make brew appealing to people
Like because usually you just wanted the mw, but now with an extra 3% plus the brew changes people will be like fuck it let's try it out
craggy barn
imagine being told to shiv for damage reduc as outlaw
wintry solar
Its a dirty job for sure
glass mortar
mf be like give me raid utility then not wanna press a gcd every 30s of the fight to get its value
smh
greedy as always outlaw
people asking for a raid buff just be happy we dont have hunters mark ok
wintry solar
So spoiled my goodness
craggy barn
nah ud save it for big damage events
fallow hinge
wait until they realise they press every gcd to get raid value, because damage is how you kill bosses
novel socket
are they really not gonna do any tuning to rogue in ptr
wtf is blizz doing
even warriors get tuning
red zinc
I mean
glass mortar
hunters mark goes crazy hard. it cant be used in aoe, its worth less damage then either of the other "raid debuffs" and its effectively useless in m+
red zinc
if this monk thing was coming
azure vortex
Blizz is cooking something stinky
glass mortar
yet both the other raid debuffs auto apply on all attacks
red zinc
i get them not wanting to go to crazy with buffing phys stuff
craggy barn
what do u mean theres no rogue buffs
novel socket
Blizz is cooking something stinky
or they will do the funny for the third time
copper radish
are they really not gonna do any tuning to rogue in ptr
blizz hates outlaw we know this 😦
fallow hinge
hunters mark goes crazy hard. it cant be used in aoe, its worth less damage then...
it's useful on first boss of priory - since the two bosses share health and the add has like 1 bajillion health, you can milk that 5% damage for like 40% of Dailcry's hp pool
glass mortar
dont make excuses for it liz
it is a joke of a raid buff
and people should be madder about it
fallow hinge
oh I totally agree
craggy barn
its a joke of a raid buff that was turned into a mastery
wintry solar
they just gave us a 3% buff
The 3% buff to be on the spec I play
glass mortar
why do i need to spend a gcd to swap targets/am i only able to apply it to 1 target when monk and dh debuffs r both stronger then it and auto apply on everything u hit
silliness
wintry solar
And for being hunters in general
copper radish
they just gave us a 3% buff
do we do negative dmg when no monk now
glass mortar
well
craggy barn
they should make it so that if u mutli shot, u apply the hunters mark on ur current target to other targets hit on ur next aimed shot
copper radish
didnt rogue used to have a raid wide buff once?
glass mortar
they should be budgeting specs and tuning them around full raid buffs probably unfortunatly
craggy barn
every class used to have a raid buff
wintry solar
Restless crew
glass mortar
so yes likely u are taxed harder for not having a monk
glass mortar
didnt rogue used to have a raid wide buff once?
prior to legion every single spec brought raid wide buffs
of some flavor
craggy barn
wod raid buffs
red zinc
It is kinda funny though for brew
glass mortar
so rogue did have a couple different ones at times yea
craggy barn
rogue gave haste i think
copper radish
they should do that again
red zinc
mfs do big chunk of magic damage
covert heart
I thought it was crit
red zinc
get less effect from their own raid buff than other classes
glass mortar
back in wod/panda era u had like 8 different raid buffs but each raid buff had 3-4 specs that could provide it
fallow hinge
shame we're not allowed crit and haste raid buffs anymore, but we are allowed mast and vers :<
glass mortar
and hunters could take lone wolf and choose any 1 raid buff to provide
it was a cute system i actually liked it better then how buffs r now
red zinc
I dont get why dks didnt just get 3% haste and rogues 3% crit
glass mortar
🤷
fallow hinge
it was a cute system i actually liked it better then how buffs r now
it was way better
vivid vessel
ye
fallow hinge
warlock imp for the 10% stam raid buff
red zinc
if they really wanted to stay with this raid buff thing
just give everyone one
With about equal value
chilly atlas
honestly the every class needs a raid buff to be brought to raid mentality makes the 5 man content meta pretty much built around buffs
red zinc
🏄♂️
glass mortar
i far prefer the "u have 8 slot buffs to fill but u can fit hundreds of different comps for those buffs" to "these 8 characters are always in a slot"
also felt good cause u were just always bringing something to a group
fallow hinge
100%
chilly atlas
i liked in bfa when they had warscrolls and you could just play stupid stuff
vivid vessel
honestly the every class needs a raid buff to be brought to raid mentality makes...
i was a raid buff hater for long
fallow hinge
having 40% of your roster hard locked into 8 unique classes kinda sucks
red zinc
wonder if game would be healthier if it was legit just like
craggy barn
I thought it was crit
fallow hinge
god I miss multistrike
I know it was just a worse crit but the tiny spell effects were wicked
multistrike cascade went so hard
chilly atlas
didnt outlaw have a cdr raidbuff in ptr before tww?
craggy barn
yes
chilly atlas
or was that df?
wintry solar
Df
craggy barn
season 3 df
covert heart
Ohh okay so long ago I forgot haha
red zinc
seeing that monk patch note made me multistrike my brain nodes
wintry solar
Should've been a 3% aura buff to outlaw tbh.
chilly atlas
outlaw is combat with an eypatch
wintry solar
I don't know any monks
covert heart
and guns
red zinc
Restless crew wouldve been the worst addition in that xpac
And aug got released in it so thats saying something
covert heart
Imma just pug some Monks easy clap
wintry solar
Rets deserve desynced CDs
red zinc
I think someone did the math and it was like
glass mortar
it was a highly questionable raid buff
red zinc
30-40s removed from 2min cds
daring oxide
Did we get anything this week?
wintry solar
Fuck em
torpid fiber
It was bad on so many levels
glass mortar
very strange behavior to give 1 spec of a pure class a unique raid buff
if it happened to anyone else we'd be saying that sucks for them
red zinc
naw vurai
glass mortar
but also it was just.... problematic
red zinc
Unless theres a stealth change again
wintry solar
if it happened to anyone else we'd be saying that sucks for them
Depends on the class
red zinc
Didnt check ptr
glass mortar
random piss CDR is so hit or miss across the board
red zinc
random piss CDR is so hit or miss across the board
Outlaw wouldnt have been as random though
Like the aug thing
glass mortar
well wdym our cdr output varies absurdly
kir can be anywhere from a ~50s CD to a 2m cd
glass mortar
and when it hits/when its in troughs is purely random
red zinc
For how small the group cdr was
glass mortar
its not like u can guarentee cds at certain thresholds
glass mortar
well the only implementation we had to be clear, the cdr (saeldur did the math) was not small
but ig what u mean
red zinc
raid it wouldve been buh
glass mortar
it was effectively ~1.3m of cdr off 3 minute cds in the 1 version of it we saw before they delet
copper radish
they should experiment with that restless crew again see if it could work
glass mortar
with that version of outlaw
wintry solar
The time is gone
red zinc
I legit think whoever else was still working on rogue at that time got taken off after cooking that
glass mortar
honestly if i wanted more rogue raid utility, just give me an amz
red zinc
glass mortar
defensive ogcd button i can use for a raid aoe
lime lake
gib smoke bomb
glass mortar
yes
keen belfry
did they forget about us in patch notes again
glass mortar
smoke bomb used to be a raid cd
id take smoke bomb back
super minor, not hard to play, gave a bit more raid usefulness
red zinc
Btw
glass mortar
also sick animation
fallow hinge
god remember the smoke bomb timing on Thok heroic?
red zinc
What classes are the only pure phys dealers
fallow hinge
zipping into the middle of the triangle to smoke bomb between screeches
wintry solar
Give dark sim back to dk
fallow hinge
then back out to not bloody the whole raid and switch phases early
red zinc
outlaw and fury/arms (excluding the mountain thane stuff)?
fallow hinge
BM
glass mortar
feral
fallow hinge
pack leader isn't
glass mortar
no
lime lake
bm doesnt play dark ranger
red zinc
oh yeah theres another
lime lake
so its basically all phys
glass mortar
sentinel will be less
red zinc
is cosmic physical
fallow hinge
pack leader BM, DotC Feral (without moonfire), Arms, Outlaw
glass mortar
probably like 10% less
red zinc
I forgor
fallow hinge
cosmic is arcane nature shadow and holy
glass mortar
when coin is like 20% of ur dps
wintry solar
Good
copper radish
damn time to go tricksterr again
wintry solar
I hate the popular things
glass mortar
please god just fix outlaw in tuning at least
fallow hinge
chaos and the schoolstrikes are the only phys hybrid schools
glass mortar
dont make me play a season where trickster is 10% ahead in aoe and 15% behind in st
quaint mauve
anyone have the WA to remind u to swap weps...
glass mortar
red zinc
please god just fix outlaw in tuning at least
I mean i wouldve lowkey said like
It makes sense they dont buff outlaw while buffing the raid buff too
Just to see where it ends for a week
copper radish
i hope trickster ST is somehow the same as fate with some tuning so i got options
glass mortar
well we need buffs
red zinc
But they buffed warrior so
red zinc
that logic does not apply
glass mortar
we have eaten ~16% in pure nerfs
fallow hinge
Weran my dreams of survival s3 are dead and buried :(
glass mortar
and we dont scale super well with ilvl
template buffs r needed
and godsave tricksters ST
red zinc
Its all part of the masterplan of dodging the infamous week 2 incident
copper radish
what would save trickster ST right now just more dmg %?
glass mortar
more % damage
its tier set is also like
half as strong as fatebounds
little less
red zinc
what would save trickster ST right now just more dmg %?
Give ks increased main target damage
glass mortar
the problem is HO is basically getting nerfed by being forced to revert to vigor
supercharger ho is just not good without spam rolling
but sleight alone is not good enough to make that good
fallow hinge
does ks still flicker strike you all over the place next season or did the reworked animation change that too?
glass mortar
so u go back LD and u play vigor
trickster synergizes a bit better with HO so hurting HO by losing this tier set also hurts it
and then its next season tier is substantially weaker then this seasons
red zinc
does ks still flicker strike you all over the place next season or did the rewor...
naw youre stationary now
At last
glass mortar
or fatebounds
wintry solar
Theory
glass mortar
u can move during it also
it slows u by 20%
so u can run and gun
the ability itself is pretty sick. it has some very questionable design choices tho
which is annoying because they havent iterated on it a single time since doubling its cd
and we have given lots of feedback
wintry solar
They're giving us these tier sets so that when we lose them going into the next expansion, we'll level into the bonuses from pur tier into the tree.
glass mortar
we dont have very long left in this ptr cycle 🙂
fallow hinge
hopefully long enough for my guild to kill gally
copper radish
They're giving us these tier sets so that when we lose them going into the next ...
wouldnt be the first time they turned borrow power one xpack into talents the next LOL
wintry solar
Yeah they did it all the time
glass mortar
i mean thats a good thing
copper radish
imagine fate bonuses as talents lol
wintry solar
Yeah
glass mortar
tier sets r an easy way to test out potential new paths for builds
always have been
red zinc
cuh theres such like
cinder relic
CTO was a tier set
red zinc
tap in changes they could do
cinder relic
Tier set > Conduit > Talent
red zinc
Im still an advocate of the radical moving ks into trickster thing
copper radish
bring back conduit CTO
red zinc
To free up that talent point
fallow hinge
ngl I kinda hope if they want to cycle out new hero talents, they take s3 tier interactions with working hero talents and bake them into the spec tree
couldn't imagine going back to stationary void torrent
copper radish
would it be like doubled up hero talents like bandit trickster or something lol
red zinc
ngl I kinda hope if they want to cycle out new hero talents, they take s3 tier i...
Im afraid theyll just add 1 new one per class that everyone has access to
cinder relic
I doubt they add another set of hero talents
fallow hinge
Im afraid theyll just add 1 new one per class that everyone has access to
that's what I expect, but I hope that they at least iterate some tier bonuses into their hero trees
wintry solar
I can't with elves and void
glass mortar
void is peak, elves can hit or miss for me
suramar was great
very good elf story that
red zinc
Cant wait for the quel’thalussy
fallow hinge
Suramar was awesome
copper radish
in a few xpacks we will be back to 1 talent every 10 levels with the way they change things lol
lime lake
the problem with elf expansion is sylvanas is coming back
red zinc
nightwell lookin juicy
lime lake
otherwise hype
wintry solar
the problem with elf expansion is sylvanas is coming back
As long as it's written well (lol) then I don't really care.
red zinc
Death by xalatath feet crushing
fallow hinge
alternatively, we get a redux on the artifact system with hopefully a ton less arbitrary grind
red zinc
(Insane writing)
wintry solar
I wanna go back to Northrend
This is all a means to an end
To get to Northrend
I'll stomach this purple shit
red zinc
alternatively, we get a redux on the artifact system with hopefully a ton less a...
Legion remix as a trial run with artifact weapons
fallow hinge
yeah
wintry solar
Dude
fallow hinge
legion remix with streamlined artifact progression to playtest it
copper radish
alternatively, we get a redux on the artifact system with hopefully a ton less a...
hopefully they add MT skins into legion remix
red zinc
Ofc we will
copper radish
its gonna be fun trickster with dreadblades
red zinc
I doubt its like
hybrid crown
The artifact added like class changing talents
red zinc
full artifact tree since that conflicts with everything
copper radish
KIR with dreadblades oooiiii
hybrid crown
They aren't gonna do that
red zinc
but the scaling item will be your artifact weapon for sure
lime lake
idk i wouldnt be so sure we will get dreadblades
fallow hinge
because I think we can probably accept at this point that borrowed power was never inherently a bad thing for the game - it was how we were given it as nasty grinds
red zinc
Like cloak in mop remix
hybrid crown
Maybe like artifact like tree that gives you stats and dmg procs
lime lake
i mean the literal weapons dreadblades yeah but the ability idk
lime lake
it would be too weird trying to work around which specs have the ability still and which dont
red zinc
Giving new goodies to some classes but not others is not something
wintry solar
Tf is the point?
red zinc
they want to do
lime lake
whatever they do will have to be something new
wintry solar
I'll play dk
wintry solar
That's all I am
copper radish
so 1000x recolors of weps? lol
red zinc
maybe some new colors for when you level it
wintry solar
But I still miss my build spend build spend build spend gameplay
hybrid crown
That sounds like so much more potential for op mele spec omg
copper radish
i have so many cloak mogs from panda remix
fallow hinge
and there won't be any frogs this time
hybrid crown
So like the weapon DPS will stop going up
fallow hinge
there'll be like, demon frogs instead
hybrid crown
Assa will be best again prolly
lime lake
demon frog farm lets fucking goooo
wintry solar
Dreadblades but it'll proc a green flower and make you go super fast
Or whatever it did
Idr
Healed I think
hybrid crown
Outlaw scaled so badly in mop remix
lime lake
ngl im not even excited for legion remix, im just gonna do it for the achievements/appearances
but i have no interest in doing the fucking class hall campaign into suramar campaign again
wintry solar
Outlaw scaled so badly in mop remix
A spec with no good stats would do that
lime lake
remix m+ could be funny though
fallow hinge
I did enough mop remix to get the phoenix and that was it
I won't touch legion remix because it has no phoenix
lime lake
i liked mop remix
wintry solar
Except bel
hybrid crown
I was soloing heroic raids it was a blast
lime lake
but a lot of that was nostalgia since i started in mop
also no tillers so remix sucked
wintry solar
Being OP is super fun
fallow hinge
I thought it was just gimmicky trash that didn't contribute meaningfully to your standard playcycle
hybrid crown
Going into random dungeons and just pooping on everyone else one shotting everything
glass mortar
oh look we are just last minute reworking a specs mastery abit to make it scale stronger
thats crazy
fallow hinge
big deal, my friend and I did a heroic dungeon solo challenge route racing each other back in MoP
glass mortar
congrats unholy dk
so cool that this has happened like 4 times this expac now
law is fine tho
fallow hinge
tbh udk did just get their aoe driver hardcapped to 8 targets like outlaw
glass mortar
i mean
fallow hinge
they might need a smidge of compensation