Ok
#outlaw
vivid vessel
nimble sage
terrible plates
queen pine
zac u used crit belt the on 22? or crystals
queen pine
got ya, ty 🙂
mighty pivot
our lord saviour 
mighty pivot
enjoy god rolls while they last
balmy topaz
Dis is da bomb
strong halo
and AR is on both the icon and on top
nimble sage
people still use the print screen button???
balmy topaz
Mine was snip
keen belfry
and im staring at them
balmy topaz
Awang mine is kinda pro no?
keen belfry
where crackshotw indow
keen belfry
its preference but i dont like important stuff to track being able to move positons
glass mortar
hmm no i think thats zacs
keen belfry
(inspired by shitter zac)
glass mortar
yea thats zacs, i can confirm (i am not zac)
random stirrup
why is the energy bar there
balmy topaz
Which one?
keen belfry
its how i do all my stuff
random stirrup
Which one?
awang's
balmy topaz
Under his abilities
random stirrup
and why are the pistol shot numbers so large and rtb numbers so small 
mighty pivot
why is the energy bar there
he has bottom energy 
strong halo
where crackshotw indow
on the right of the BF uptime, and BF goes gray but i see how it doesnt show cd ill switch the wa up good feedback
random stirrup
you cooked harder with the enh pack i cannot lie
keen belfry
my enh pack so good
latent belfry
is next week the new season? when do we get the KS change on live 😦
strong halo
so ill prbly switch it to show just CD and not the buff
and show BF top with AR on top
keen belfry
so ill prbly switch it to show just CD and not the buff
i think this is good cuz u make active decisions based on cd of spells
rather reacting to ar/bf off cd you should plan your next gcd based on its cd
glass mortar
is next week the new season? when do we get the KS change on live 😦
august
mighty pivot
any asymmetry enjoyers? 🏄♀️ 🏄♂️
nimble sage
random stirrup
any asymmetry enjoyers? 🏄♀️ 🏄♂️
are those the supercharged points on the right side of the bar
mighty pivot
no SC shows like this for full and empty
keen belfry
imo needs to focus up
random stirrup
yea shindig's made me a bit ill ngl
keen belfry
itsa another that doesnt track cds rathers shows its off cd
which i think is troll af for outlaw
vivid vessel
Why
wintry solar
I like spamming rtb
mighty pivot
rolling often synergises well with SC
wintry solar
Jk love you
copper radish
Do we get a catalyst conversion charge this week?
wintry solar
rolling often synergises well with SC
I LOVE IT
Makes me want to wrap my challenger around a tree
In a good way
unkempt cypress
Maybe you should
vivid vessel
Ptr notes tonight
mighty pivot
wintry solar
Maybe you should
Maybe I will
Ptr notes are for good boys and girls
I, however, have been evil
mighty pivot
watch them not release anything and not bother with a single post
vivid vessel
Killing spree channel duration has been reduced from .5 per cp to .2
mighty pivot
zac is already hallucinating
wintry solar
Zac took a hit of that wishful thinking
vivid vessel
They will do it
Everyone is asking for it
Why not
Not a single person enjoys the long channel
Who doesn't like short channels
If they don't they are just stupid
mighty pivot
watch them reduce the slow by 5% and increase the damage by 10%
vivid vessel
No
wintry solar
Decreased channel time AND..... fixed the jank ass animation
mighty pivot
my conspiracy theory is that they will buff the damage just enough to make it worth channelling fully
covert kestrel
Make ks empowered!
wintry solar
SS now costs more energy
More energy and 25% opp proc chance
vivid vessel
my conspiracy theory is that they will buff the damage just enough to make it wo...
Ks tick damage increase per time channeled
That's how they fix it generally
Xdd
They won't do that tho I believe
Make ks not feel like dogshit to press
mighty pivot
that will give you ample time to eat a crepe while channelling it
wintry solar
Its so fast
mighty pivot
will you finally buff GSW to its glory?
wintry solar
Low key I'd rework jt
Not to where it's synergistic with crackshot BUT
Good enough to be an alternative for a different gameplay
Idk what it'd look like
Hypothetical etc etc
mighty pivot
it would need to somehow make up for the lost CDR from the loss of crackshot
wintry solar
Ye
And regular ol outlaw can't do that
Combat andies will just have to cry about it idk
The future is now
mighty pivot
GSW replaced with that rotating insight talent from old combat 
keen belfry
i dont think law will ditch crackshot for a long time
just like arcane leaving touch
craggy barn
if fire mage gets to be insta cast bot with pyro procs and shit
we get to have crackshot
keen belfry
id guess GSW gets delete dbefore its ever viable
glass mortar
i mean id be fine with them buffing GSW 500% and it replacing ghostly
frail haven
hey y'all, gearing up a rogue as a split alt and was curious if its still recommended to play a dagger in offhand or if thats trolling
glass mortar
its basically just as boring at this point
i just think its a dissapointment as a capstone
could def use a replacement
sudden fulcrum
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
keen belfry
i mean id be fine with them buffing GSW 500% and it replacing ghostly
gsw has 0 compatability with cs right?
glass mortar
uh i mean
crackshot makes it a little stronger then it woulda been pre crackshot
we are casting BtE more often now
keen belfry
would kinda be cool i guess in cs windows to always try to BTE ps BTE
glass mortar
but it doesnt rlly synergize since 90% of ur GSW procs u cannot consume
glass mortar
the two are just not designed in the same rogue cycle and its clear
wintry solar
GSW replaced with that rotating insight talent from old combat <a:POGCRAZY:82529...
Nooooo
keen belfry
you want to press BTE -> if reset BTE -> most optimat builder (often not ps in aoe) -> BTE
wintry solar
The opposite lol
keen belfry
what would be cool if GSW could stack
mighty pivot
crackshot having such good synergy both with ace & cto (and RP), and on top of that having that 50% dispatch makes it very tough to replace with just PS damage
keen belfry
and you can just get a GIGA ps
glass mortar
crackshot turned ace into a real thing
at this point those two talents should just be bundled
ace does legit nothing if ur not taking crackshot its funny
oh once every 20s one of my builders has like a 30% chance at refunding its CP
w0w....
mighty pivot
ace does legit nothing if ur not taking crackshot its funny
true which makes it even funnier that the talents are so far apart
glass mortar
yup
craggy barn
lol
keen belfry
imagine if GSW could stack many many times, you didnt have to take GS, and you could save meaningful dmg for dmg amp phases
glass mortar
i mean that wouldnt help u store up damage its not like u can go long periods of time holding PS charges
mighty pivot
how would you save that damage? you can't just not PS
glass mortar
any more effectively then u can go long periods of time holding vanish
keen belfry
i guess i word wrong
glass mortar
the longest period of time u might go "Storing" PS charges to not consume is like 6 seconds during an HO crackshot
glass mortar
but theres easy ways to make GSW not shit yea, which is why ia ssume its intended to be shit
its not hard to make this talent competativre
add 200% PS damage to it and boom
but its just a raw damage amp competing vs what blizzard probably considers to be more interesting raw damage amps, which is why its undertuned
mighty pivot
letting GSW stack would couple it to crackshot even more
keen belfry
letting GSW stack would couple it to crackshot even more
yeah that would be sick
glass mortar
just making it so GSW applied to all shots of FtH would probably make it "viable"
even if not bis
mighty pivot
i mean if your goal just to make GSW viable then that works. The ideas above were about making GSW an alternative to crackshot
keen belfry
outlaw will not lose CS
glass mortar
my assumption at this time is GSW being undertuned is a design goal
wintry solar
outlaw will not lose CS
Bro read the paper
glass mortar
so if we want to make it takeable we need to transform it
keen belfry
creaky board typing time to leave
wintry solar
Reworking gsw to be an alternative to cs with new gameplay
keen belfry
mhm and my point is we wont leave cs
wintry solar
It was a hypothetical
mighty pivot
creaky board typing one word per enter like zeross
vivid vessel
every once in a while this dude rename
keen belfry
is creaky board actually popo
vivid vessel
i think im like
starting to hate someone else
but no
its always popo
different version of him
craggy barn
lol
lime lake
glass mortar
but no, its always everyone
wintry solar
Hypothetical etc etc
Take this and go up
glass mortar
and everything
keen belfry
Take this and go up
im ok ty
mighty pivot
doesn't discord have nicknames you can assign to people?
balmy topaz
I am poo
craggy barn
u know what discord needs
vivid vessel
im just such a popo hate he can rename to anything i will instantly notice
craggy barn
post points
vivid vessel
doesn't discord have nicknames you can assign to people?
i wish
craggy barn
like forums 🙂
keen belfry
It was a hypothetical
and my hypothetical is we never leave cs so you must listen to me (this is what ur saying to me)
sudden fulcrum
doesn't discord have nicknames you can assign to people?
yeah if you're friends but i think it only applies to DMs
late swallow
when a black king shitposts, I sit down and listen
mighty pivot
it only has notes which are useless for this yeah
wintry solar
This convo got so derailed I'm bashed for bringing context back
mighty pivot
yeah fuck popo 
keen belfry
no poopoo
i just am saying (its okay to also bring up my own hypothetical) we wont lose cs
cs is outlaw now
mighty pivot
CS going away wasn't being discussed anyway
keen belfry
and i like gsw rework to work wih cs
keen belfry
CS going away wasn't being discussed anyway
going away = alternative same thing
late swallow
if GSW stacked, that'd be so based holy
mighty pivot
literally not but ok
late swallow
antisementics
wintry solar
No
wintry solar
going away = alternative same thing
What does this mean
Other than what it says at face value
keen belfry
blizz dont want cs gone (this is my assumption could be wrong) creating an alternative to it is probably not what they want (once again we are all assuming here)
cs is outlaw
late swallow
i'm with awang on this one
late swallow
at the most, I think they'd just add a SS/dispatch simulator build
or make that more viable idk
keen belfry
i dont think theyd do that
cs is outlaw
they wont create a build that competes with it
mighty pivot
well yeah it's all assumptions because for a start they will have to make changes to the 5 (or 6 with sleight of hand soon) talents which are "dead" right now
keen belfry
instead they will rework alternative talents to be cs working
if we are going to to argue about how we are all asssuming then yes this convo is dead
late swallow
i mean, what else besides GSW do you really need to change to be more pro CS?
keen belfry
basically just gsw
like weran said gsw is stronger now with cs than befre just cuz more btes
but it still just doesnt synergize at all
i think any gsw change blizz makes wouldnt be to compete with cs
it would be to compete with gs
thats my whole point
mighty pivot
GSW would synergise well with CS if it made PS your main builder in subterfuge
late swallow
we gotta get GS outta here
vivid vessel
How am I shit posting?
you are popo
wintry solar
:|
keen belfry
imo this is shit post
i felt like that one didnt need an explanation u just wanted to up your wpm in this convo
wintry solar
You said semantics and I wanted clarification
keen belfry
sementics
mighty pivot
semen ticks
wintry solar
What a day
lime lake
given current geopolitical climate maybe we shouldnt talk about semantics
keen belfry
seaman
keen belfry
its poopoo somnius
wintry solar
Not really lol
keen belfry
im glad we found ouot creaky is popo
i forgot about popo
i gained 2 io last night nbd
mighty pivot
that's pretty good
mighty pivot
next expansion they should make it so that you lose rating if you deplete a key 
keen belfry
they do need to fix io
idk how
but thats not bad idea
but also, its not really like the same as normal mmr/ladders
lime lake
next expansion depleting a key kills you irl
keen belfry
i just hate that i can watch a streamer int a key 70 times then go 1/70 and get same io as me when i go 1/1 on same key
vivid vessel
it would ruin m+ if you lost io on depletes
strong halo
@keen belfry OK BOSS I UPDATED MY UI U READY?
mighty pivot
next expansion depleting a key kills you irl
nice I've been waiting for a long time
keen belfry
it would ruin m+ if you lost io on depletes
ye no one would run
keen belfry
vibes
mighty pivot
it would ruin m+ if you lost io on depletes
imagine how much more toxic it would get as well 
keen belfry
no one run their key when it could deplete, imagine if you lost io
mighty pivot
I will go one step further. If you deplete it subtracts from your vault total
keen belfry
good upgrae on ar/bf
strong halo
i was trying to put everything on cd
strong halo
to make ui show
vivid vessel
not using good rtb tracker 
mighty pivot
where is your UB/EB?
keen belfry
id also do same thing for GS, esp next tier with fatebound it will come off CD when its buff is active
late swallow
zac's WA pack but replace the sound cues with fetty wap adlibs
keen belfry
i just really prefer your grid of icons to just be CD
strong halo
GS shows up on that bar on CD once its off
keen belfry
but i say this
vivid vessel
oh ptr is down
keen belfry
its all preference
strong halo
but its never up at same time its applied
keen belfry
but its never up at same time its applied
it will be next tier
vivid vessel
and not that they will keep it down for 4 days straight
strong halo
but i say this
true but i feel like some upgrades can help alot like the 2 you pointed out
mighty pivot
PTR must be down to scale dimensius up
keen belfry
yeah i think its good to have AR CD/Buff didfferent icons
mighty pivot
30% bigger boi
keen belfry
imo its objectively better for a spec like law
opal raven
The outlaw buff / gameplay changes are comming I can feel them
mighty pivot
GSW patch notes: new icon
keen belfry
:bigfartpoop:
keen belfry
i wonder what solo thinks of this convo today
vivid vessel
mighty pivot
why did you smudge over raid finder
mighty pivot
why didn't you just snippet less of it then
normal forge
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
mighty pivot
strong halo
where is your UB/EB?
wym?
keen belfry
@vivid vessel show dps on first burn of last boss rook
vivid vessel
no
keen belfry
@vivid vessel dont show dps on first burn of last boss rook
vivid vessel
ok
keen belfry
ty
strong halo
oh, unseed blade is on the plater models, and Coup i donnt show build up but just the Coup aura pops once its there
do you need see the build up? i feel like it clutters a bit in Ui
mighty pivot
on targets you are showing fazed which is applied by UB but it doesn't track how many you have available. But by tracking both can make some decisions to minimise wasting stacks (you cannot stack EB if you are at 4)
strong halo
and i get a ping noise when i get the coup proc
mighty pivot
e.g., if you are at 3 EB and have an available UB, you can build and send a coup before going into vanish, otherwise if you vanish you will (over)cap inside your subterfuge window in which you don't wanna use coup
wet belfry
Did i read right that you use a nightfall curseblade's cudgel in m+ for packs?
mighty pivot
yes
wet belfry
appreciate you, thanks!
mighty pivot
normal forge
where does an weak aura resides within wow folder? wtf or interface? I want to restore some weakaura i created in the past
mighty pivot
wtf folder
all saved settings are there
addons cannot write inside the addon folder
normal forge
WTF\Account<AccountName>\SavedVariables\
found it, thanks
nimble sage
im taking an incredible amount of damage in m+.
Is there some way to see how much of my damage taken in a m+ is from either killing spree or right after killing spree?
gaunt phoenix
details
remote pecan
ptr still dead, or just dead again?
gaunt phoenix
well "right after ks" not really track
random stirrup
im taking an incredible amount of damage in m+.
Is there some way to see how mu...
wcl will show damage taken by killing spree as well
gaunt phoenix
outlaw is fairly tanky with high versatility and feint, most of your damage taken is ks related
mighty pivot
what do you mean by "right after KS". Damage other than KS tick?
gaunt phoenix
yeah the positioning
nimble sage
yeah the positioning
this
I am new to rogue and melee, I've played ranged for 20 years
normal forge
what is haste cap buffed? 35%?
mighty pivot
it might be easier to analyse your deaths
gaunt phoenix
Melee itself has some positioning stuffs to learn in general
nimble sage
it might be easier to analyse your deaths
not dying that much actually but taking a lot of damage
Elitism helper is always telling me I'm the winner by a large margin
glass mortar
what is haste cap buffed? 35%?
25%
mighty pivot
not dying that much actually but taking a lot of damage
Elitism helper is alway...
ok but damage taken isn't all equal. Being greedy with taking 1 extra tick that doesn't put in danger is ok but it will be equal to damage that will drop you from low hp to almost dead in a breakdown. Dunno if that makes sense
keen belfry
not dying that much actually but taking a lot of damage
Elitism helper is alway...
also delete elitism helper, does it post in party chat?
prisma vessel
by default it does
keen belfry
delete
gaunt phoenix
outlaw damage taken should be the lowest in the key i think
glass mortar
i took so much damage on my first gally kill
actually competing with shadow priests for hps from kspree "absorb"
never once came close to death tho
outlaw is immortal if u can anticipate damage fr
keen belfry
i raid lead and was bomb carrier on my gally kill
glass mortar
even if u dont honestly
prisma vessel
i just hate using KS in rookery/mugzee (on accident) and getting yelled at becouse i died xD
keen belfry
i wonder how itll go
prisma vessel
can't wait for S3
keen belfry
whats ur WR weran
glass mortar
uh 40%
keen belfry
im worried about our mugzee reclear
glass mortar
wtf is WR
keen belfry
i meant world ranking
glass mortar
oh no clue
keen belfry
guilkd
glass mortar
where do u see that
nimble sage
also delete elitism helper, does it post in party chat?
not using it, a team mate is
glass mortar
keen belfry
make him delete it
keen belfry
u guys r way better than us...
glass mortar
ok but being worried about mugzee rekill is valid
gally is a joke tho
we never killed a final boss in under 100 pulls
we killed gally in 66
kinda insane no?
late prog this season is wild
nimble sage
make him delete it
why? why is it bad?
glass mortar
u probably need to customize it to do the output everytime someone gets hit
that shit is toxic tho fr
ur asking for people to tilt out of ur keys if u pug with that
the end report is w/e
nimble sage
I like it, it's nice seeing how much damage I took that was avoidable
grim spear
oh so close
glass mortar
sure awang is talking about the thing where anytime someone gets hit by an "avoidable" the addon will print out the combat log event of them getting hit in real time
nimble sage
this is probably a really stupid question but is feint off gcd?
craggy barn
ye
gaunt phoenix
ye
glass mortar
which is gr8 because the biggest thing u wanna see when someone messes up and dies in a key is someone in the party immediatly calling them out for it
nimble sage
does that mean feint can have a 100% uptime as long as I am hitting someone?
glass mortar
yes but it costs energy
nimble sage
you guys have such good chemistry
keen belfry
he copies me
glass mortar
i am awang
nimble sage
but do you have a wang?
glass mortar
let me check
nimble sage
but frfr, are you guys taking the least amount of damage in the entire group?
glass mortar
it depends
in my +16/17s im pugging and locked in for? yes
in +10s where i yolospree on cd and dont rlly press feint and never die anyway?
absolutely not
nimble sage
I suck, thanks for confirming
glass mortar
kspree is a steep learning curve
keen belfry
19 rook
gaunt phoenix
lowkey like HO without GS because it has infinite energy to feint
glass mortar
because its learning every aoe timing in the game, not the timing of kspree itself even
nimble sage
kspree is a steep learning curve
thats gone by next month
nimble sage
meh
keen belfry
solo have u always been a ho truthist
glass mortar
but its ok, because it wasnt rewarding to learn at the start of the season either
if ur trying to learn now i would like to be the first to formally congradulate u
on avoiding 90% of a season where we had to play this fucking joke of an ability
nimble sage
always trying to learn
glass mortar
words will never express how dissapointed i am in blizzard they even let us go on like this for a full season
keen belfry
i will look back on this tier and laugh
glass mortar
i guess surrender to madness made it one full season also
but like
nvm i will not crash out
new rogue notes from ptr today
keen belfry
surely.
glass mortar
mental is STEEL
nimble sage
new rogue notes from ptr today
can u send for a poor soul?
silent granite
nimble sage
bruv
grim spear
there are just way too few rogues this tier… sad.
glass mortar
now this is optimization
grim spear
too too few outlaws
I've never ranked this high before
not because I got better, but because so many people stopped playing this spec.
glass mortar
my parses r so bad this season but i just cba
probably doesnt help that my season total kill counts look like this
mighty pivot
solo have u always been a ho truthist
glass mortar
👏
strong halo
Does zac even stream anymore?
glass mortar
he streamin rn
glass mortar
gud tuning
and we werent trying to play PC iirc
i mean look at the current season
the only "buff" we got was thie bf fix
keen belfry
oh we ddint play pc?
glass mortar
and now suddenly we r tuned high enough zac can compete with the highest overalls in a physical group
i think whats funny is probably they kept doing math and being like "PC should be really good.... why is nobody playing it. lets buff it again?"
when it turns out for the last 2 expacs probably this whole talent has been devalued horribly by the dead target bug
moreso then raw BF damage itself even
keen belfry
like legit it just wasnt working thatso funny
were we consistenly hitting dead tarets?
glass mortar
well bf hits the targets closest to u based on proximity, so not all the time, but in mass pulls, especially mass pull with pisser mobs (think cinderbrew, first pull of ara ara)
keen belfry
like 2 targets left, 6 dead = no pc value?
glass mortar
yea probably
but PC was calculating off corpses
so even if u werent losing BF attacks ur PC still wasnt turning on
keen belfry
in giga pulls we'd hit dead bodies sometimes reducing our cap below 8, and if had pc pc gained no value when pack was getting smaller
so funny
i do love blasting like 5 target pulls
and man end of paladin pulls in psf, destryoing the last 4 paladins left is SO much value
thats often hardest part of pull for healer
late swallow
i can prog as sub i dont mind chill raid specs
progging as sub this tier was mega chill
nimble sage
how do you guys not stand in stuff as melee? like avoidable stuff
sacred saddle
dodge
nimble sage
I am using 100 of my vision to look at this part
glass mortar
well cutting that down helps alot
glass mortar
should only need to use like 20-30% of ur vision on there to track ur major cds that u use on cd
most other stuff u dont need to track
sacred saddle
I play most of the rotation on sound queues
glass mortar
not second to second anyway
glass mortar
only WA i look at every couple seconds is my RtB cd
random stirrup
i stare at my wa pack perma
keen belfry
how bruh
glass mortar
AR/vanish/kspree cd r all along enough u dont exactly need to stare at them
keen belfry
i legit stare at my WAs
glass mortar
???
tulip quarry
I play with audio cue WA only ^^
random stirrup
learn a fight/dungeon enough to just peripheral vision through it and tunnel wa pack entire time
keen belfry
yes
latent oak
amen
astral wind
I play with audio cue WA only ^^
Think I'd log an average of about a 15 if I did that
tulip quarry
Think I'd log an average of about a 15 if I did that
Matter of habit
sacred saddle
you can hear opportunity/ace procs even without weakauras, and that's 90% of why you'd have to be watching down there anyway
keen belfry
habit of matter
astral wind
Matter of habit
True I mainly play the easy spec
hybrid crown
I rely on that ace sound it helps to play with sounds on
wintry solar
CP sound has helped me a lot
I just use hear kitty
Though it does make playing outlaw more dramatic than it really is because the sound bites are orchestral
nimble sage
you guys that play with sound cues, can you tell me which sounds you have and for what? Like what is it youre listening for?
wintry solar
Just the shotgun rack of Ace and the notes of hear kitty counting my CPs
glass mortar
if u dont play with any sound enabled what r u even doing
ace proc sound effect is the best sound in the entire game
the moment i recognize an active reaction proc on any other class I make a WA that steals the ace sound effect for it
mighty pivot
i use winter soldier's AGAAANE 
for ace procs
sacred saddle
you guys that play with sound cues, can you tell me which sounds you have and fo...
I literally just listen for the baseline sounds
ace has the built in sound effect, and you can hear the extra attack from opportunity procs as well
wide flare
i mean to avoid shit in your feet you just need to add this to the things you're watching, don't even need too much peripheral vision. that's needed when you start tracking ally CDs (so many people use OmniCD but never even look at it)
short pewter
Outlaw on 11.2 ptr might be the most fun melee spec in the game
wide flare
your WA is close enough, you just need to focus a bit less on the WA
short pewter
It's actually incredible, like my gosh
keen belfry
just wait for ks to be a good button
thats when outlaw will be goated with the sticks
i m28
grow up awang
bright crane
just wait for ks to be a good button
wide flare
outlaw is a bit like crack for me, I can't even play other specs no more
frail veldt
nah i like current ho tho
same
wide flare
no gamba no fun
bright crane
Str8 up
azure vortex
why do i feel like live ks looks to be more fun than the ptr version
frail veldt
very few buttons but a little bit of tracking needed
frail veldt
why do i feel like live ks looks to be more fun than the ptr version
because you havent used it
bright crane
I been playing HO exclusively after being a staunch KIR enjoyer
frail veldt
as shit as the PTR ks is
bright crane
Just out here vibing
frail veldt
live ks will always be infinitely worse
live ks is probably the worst ability in the game
an ability you press every 30 seconds that threatens to kill you 6 times per press is an INSANE thing for blizzard to keep in the game
short pewter
I remember how awfully designed Outlaw was in Legion and BFA. It's come a long way from then. This dev should get a raise
frail veldt
and while im ahppy theyre removing it
short pewter
I don't mind it, but new killing spree is definitely better
frail veldt
im fuckijng blown away it took this long
keen belfry
why do i feel like live ks looks to be more fun than the ptr version
i think its genuinely a better button to press on liev BESIDES the kill you/camera/tp part
which is a big part lol
wide flare
it's definitely worst but i've come to enjoy it, gives me small epileptic fits
frail veldt
i think its genuinely a better button to press on liev BESIDES the kill you/came...
thats the main issue....
keen belfry
yes
frail veldt
thats the whole fucking thing rofl
keen belfry
the current duration of ks feels spot on right?
copper radish
just need a mythic tier helm and a mythic trashmaster cape and i got all the gear for the season XD
just in time for S3
wide flare
I like the current duration, even with full combo points you can still avoid OS mechnic if you time it well (just frustrating when you can't use it at all)
frail veldt
thats like looking at used car and going "hmm the paintjob is nice" meanwhile the car has a fucking blown engine
short pewter
New KS should be renamed Desperado so KS can remain its own thing down the road
bright crane
Somebody once said They liked live KS cause it allows for skill expression
I was like brother
frail veldt
Somebody once said They liked live KS cause it allows for skill expression
I remember this lol
bright crane
Give me what you are smoking
copper radish
KS is good as it is right now change my mind
keen belfry
thats like looking at used car and going "hmm the paintjob is nice" meanwhile th...
im just saying its hard to be excited for a new car when the new car is still poop turd on wheels its just replacing fart poop turd on wheels so its an upgrade
frail veldt
KS is good as it is right now change my mind
theres nothing good about dying without any say in the matter
frail veldt
im just saying its hard to be excited for a new car when the new car is still po...
im not excited for it
but at least the car runs
which is what a car is fucking for
copper radish
theres nothing good about dying without any say in the matter
but what if u dont die lol
wide flare
i hope we can just play fatebound, the real dream
frail veldt
but what if u dont die lol
yeah what if blizzard could anticipate problems before they happened
teal wing
i also like this extra level of gamble
frail veldt
but we dont live in fantasy made up world
azure vortex
fatebound is better => ks died for nothing
bright crane
I actually would lol if we ended up playing FB
frail veldt
we live in a world where KS kills you and blizzard takes months of feedback to make a decision
bright crane
fatebound is better => ks died for nothing
Nah KS needed to change
keen belfry
frail veldt
your fault
copper radish
are we even playing KS with the new fatebound tier?
frail veldt
should have just held KS for 3 minutes until p2
bright crane
No
frail veldt
oh wait theres balls in p2 still
should have just held KS for next dungeon
skill issue
azure vortex
noob tank didnt move the boss
frail veldt
should have expressed your skill better
teal wing
its acutally skill issue
wide flare
the biggest problem with the spell it that there are legit ZERO other specs that need to put their life in danger every 30 secs
keen belfry
should have just held KS for 3 minutes until p2
a while back i was too scared to press ks in p1 of this fight, i did 1.2mil dps st and got flamed after
copper radish
i like how they update KS for S3 and most people wont even use it playing fatebound lol
teal wing
the biggest problem with the spell it that there are legit ZERO other specs that...
thats what i like
bright crane
are we even playing KS with the new fatebound tier?
No, only trickster plays KS. It’s the damage engine for the hero talent
keen belfry
i like how they update KS for S3 and most people wont even use it playing fatebo...
id bet we still play trickster in keys
frail veldt
"hey tank, please move the boss constantly because I have an ability that behaves like a toddler in a room full of hard wooden furniture"
bright crane
Dude for dfc I tell the tank
frail veldt
like jfc
keen belfry
wanna know whats becoming my least fav tank positioning boss
bright crane
Move boss for 3rd boss
keen belfry
first boss cb
bright crane
Or I may as well just afk for the fight
keen belfry
tanks dont want me to press KS on first boss cb
wide flare
thats what i like
it understand the appeal but in a competitive game it is not healthy, obviously it is something you can master but when you have you use a spell with 1 CP in the highest because otherwise you die I think there is a problem
keen belfry
i spam ping that whole fight
frail veldt
Or I may as well just afk for the fight
tank prob forgets by the time they get there
bright crane
9/10 times yeah rofl
frail veldt
thats what i like
you can do this yourself
just randomly jump in random directions constantly
teal wing
its not the same
frail veldt
if you want to have a risk of dying all the time
yeah youre right, KS is still riskier
I can setup a script for you
that makes your character move in random directions
every 30 seconds
if youd like
should make the game nice and fun
teal wing
sure free ban
frail veldt
nah razer synapse
keen belfry
would it be game breaking for ks to dodge ground mechanics
true immunity isbroken yes
but what about just ground mechanics
frail veldt
yeah making KS just make you invulerable is still a bad solution
keen belfry
even for ground stuff?
wide flare
it already kind of OP that you can tank certain abilities by using it
frail veldt
even for ground stuff?
yes
cuz you still end up at the starting location
and then die at the end
keen belfry
it already kind of OP that you can tank certain abilities by using it
there is no way KS is an op defensive, its ok on certain things that line up on accident most of time
azure vortex
if my target can die randomly from ks then its fine
keen belfry
they are close
frail veldt
they just added poor decisions for no reason
quaint sable
Im p sure it already ignores a lot of ground effects
frail veldt
they also could have just made KS an animation and not actually move your model file
keen belfry
they fixed ks scary part so yeah it is lit
frail veldt
literally copy paste blade dance
they could have been done in one week
this is not a hard problem to solve
wide flare
not an op defensive but being able to tank stuff like big bumps is strong
quaint sable
Main way u die is at the end of ks.
azure vortex
with live ks i believe you cannot take knockup damage
frail veldt
not an op defensive but being able to tank stuff like big bumps is strong
rogue is the last class in theg ame that needs any defensive additions
nimble sage
will we not spec into the new upcoming ks?
frail veldt
outlaw should always be the last one to die
keen belfry
trickster 100% will
frail veldt
in m+
for the most part
esp this season where there isnt that much bad hard ST damage
keen belfry
i love outlaw guys
frail veldt
its mostly aoe checks
frail veldt
will we not spec into the new upcoming ks?
we have to for trickster
keen belfry
im unkillable outside of ks
frail veldt
trickster loses like 20% dps if it doesnt run KS
frail veldt
im unkillable outside of ks
yeah if you die as the outlaw your whole team was probably dead for 10 seconds+ already
frail veldt
or your healer is asleep at the wheel
keen belfry
my tricks will bring them back to u
keen belfry
same
wide flare
rogue is the last class in theg ame that needs any defensive additions
that's very true, I just enjoy the spell on certain mechanics - which is probably 1% of the time
keen belfry
i bled out the other day on benk buzebee tho
frail veldt
that's very true, I just enjoy the spell on certain mechanics - which is probabl...
which is exactly why it needs changing
EVEN at its best its "sorta fun"
and its "best" is like once in a blue moon
wide flare
I'm all for the change
frail veldt
its a horrendous ability
especially on a spec that otherwise plays fantastically
of the people I know who have tried outlaw, KS literally ruins it for them and they dont want to play it hahaha
one single ability
negates almost all the positives of the spec
wide flare
yes, that's why I would prefer us to just play FB and drop KS, it feels like the real outlaw
even tho I've got PTSD of losing the buff during keys
keen belfry
which will make me look back at this tier with bad memories
keen belfry
its my favorite iteration of outlaw
i think so too, i dont like our tier but i think trickster is banger
vivid vessel
if you ignore the fact current ks kills you
im sorry but
its striclty a better ability
frank finch
vivid vessel
new ks is so shit
so long
too long cd
gives cp but its weird with trickster
target random ennemies ??
animation is fucking borked cause done by an apprentice
on his day off
plucky sonnet
it would be so much better if they just kept the current damage profile and cd of killing spree and applied it to the new animation+channel
glass mortar
yes
i mean that would be acceptable
even better would be same cooldown/shorter duration then live
we get this sickass new design
and then we get to cast it
hollow temple
nah razer synapse
that doesn't make it safe xdd
frail veldt
that doesn't make it safe xdd
eh
you can get away with a lot on that
cuz you can use its record function
hollow temple
ye i know
frail veldt
yeah I mean for the sake of the argument I was just trying to refute a moot point lol
hollow temple
yeah ikik :p
frail veldt
I was being facetious in the first place about the script
I am still just blown away people "like" the forced risk of death
hollow temple
its mostly just pvpers that don't want to lose the utility of it
frail veldt
kinda people who would use a weapon that has a 5% dps increase but every auto attack has a 0.1% chance to kill you
sudden fulcrum
no pain no gain baby
frail veldt
its mostly just pvpers that don't want to lose the utility of it
yeah from a pvp perspective im gona miss it
100%
frail veldt
no pain no gain baby
well in this case its all pain and marginal gain
sudden fulcrum
why is it useful for pvp? because it moves you unpredictably?
hollow temple
they said there's a bunch of new pvp talents coming in s3
frail veldt
breaks roots
sudden fulcrum
ohh
sudden fulcrum
interesting
hollow temple
why is it useful for pvp? because it moves you unpredictably?
breaks roots, staggers damage, etc
sudden fulcrum
nice
frail veldt
also it has a larger range than melee
its like 10 yards
so you can use it sometimes even at low cps just to sneak out of a root even when youre out of range
or on a nearby pet/whatever
its a very compelling ability in pvp
hollow temple
here's hoping we get a nice cc immunity pvp talent for new KS
with the new pvp talents
frail veldt
yeaaaaaaah
hollow temple
frail veldt
otherwise that shits gona get interrupted every time
some old school dh eye beam experience
hollow temple
i think all melee channels should provide immunity tbh
frail veldt
yeah within reason
hollow temple
otherwise they just never get played if they aren't a very core ability
frail veldt
otherwise you end up with some OP defensive usage if those abilities have too short of cds
glass mortar
monk fists feel good
hollow temple
yeah
frail veldt
monk fist isnt cc immune
glass mortar
damage is solid but never super dangerous outside cds
frail veldt
just gives parry
hollow temple
i'd be fine with KS having dodge or parry
frail veldt
stealth abilities cant be dodged or parried
frail veldt
i'd be fine with KS having dodge or parry
yeah thatd be good
im sure people would complain though
glass mortar
dodge would make more sense since we are gunslinging and rogues
frail veldt
about it being too op
hollow temple
fully immunity like bladestorm might be too op
glass mortar
imo you should get immunity to slows (it already slows you anyway) and dodge
during kspree
frail veldt
honestly dodge doesnt stop a lot of stuns though
mighty pivot
spec segregation suggestion 
glass mortar
like you cant be slowed under the 80% it sets you at
frail veldt
wont stop shockwave, stormbolt, cheap shot, scatter, etc
hollow temple
true
frail veldt
ngl its gona be a hard one to figure out for them
glass mortar
sure but almost no channels stop those right
frail veldt
eyebeam I think also has cc immunity now right? @hollow temple
glass mortar
and it makes sense its literally like half the power of the tree
would be pretty crazy if u could avoid it easily
i think no "rotational" short cd melee channel should have full protections
thats for major cd type stuff
frail veldt
yeah I agree
esp since we get most of the value from it just from pressing it
which is the UB reset
glass mortar
mhm
hollow temple
eyebeam I think also has cc immunity now right? <@629463378250956810>
i honestly don't remember, i haven't played much in the past couple months
frail veldt
i honestly don't remember, i haven't played much in the past couple months
same lol
too busy
waiting for next season p much
glass mortar
i think kspree needs a pvp talent and unironically it should increase its range to 30-40 yards, give 100% dodge, and make you slow immune during it
its also kinda silly u can dodge the whole thing by rooting and stepping 3 yards further away
while i unload my guns at the air
hollow temple
i don't see any of the cc flags on it
glass mortar
not like it even hits that hard
frail veldt
i don't see any of the cc flags on it
does that mean it is or isnt immune
frail veldt
hmm
but yeah considering theres like 10 outlaw rogues in all of pvp
they prob will do nothing
frail veldt
ah okay so you can def gouge an eyebeam then
for some reason I remember them adding something to stop that
idk
copper owl
qq -- reading the guides it seems like trickster is similar to fatebound in single target, if not a little ahead, and then is way ahead on AoE. but the guides on wowhead and icy veins recommend fatebound instead of trickster for several fights. What is it about an encounter that would make fatebound better than trickster? (returning rogue from shadowlands)
craggy barn
0 extra adds
frail veldt
qq -- reading the guides it seems like trickster is similar to fatebound in sing...
trickster requires playing KS
and KS wipes the group on some encounters
or risks killing yourself repeatedly
copper owl
Ohh so basically if there are no adds it's not worth the risk of KS?
frail veldt
p much
copper owl
Makes sense
craggy barn
certain fights u just cant play trickster even if u would want to
like m sprocket u cant, bc u kill everyone
mugzee is very rough for trickster
and cringe
random stirrup
Ohh so basically if there are no adds it's not worth the risk of KS?
also the presence of adds, even immune ones, reduce the damage of fatebound's st
copper owl
what mechanic on m sprocket makes you kill everyone?
glass mortar
for some reason I remember them adding something to stop that
pretty sure as short as 1 expac ago? 2 maybe? u could literally kick eye beam
so u might be remembering them adding kick immunity to it
craggy barn
the color stuff
craggy barn
u will tp onto the other color and knock em out
copper owl
ahhhh
craggy barn
its a pure st fight so u arent losing anything for swapping to fb
wintry solar
And can CC eye beam
Seems like it's the only way to not let them get any damage off these days
frail veldt
pretty sure as short as 1 expac ago? 2 maybe? u could literally kick eye beam
yeah
it was in DF they did this change
and I think it was AFTER their rework
cuz people were stopping DHs damage so easily
glass mortar
yea i mean, chaos damage is every school, including physical
nimble sage
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Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
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glass mortar
im pretty sure if u kicked eye beam they couldnt even blade dance
fallow hinge
yea i mean, chaos damage is *every* school, including physical
ur every school