yes but its optional
#outlaw
tender wedge
Priority add damage as rogue is usually “go sub or reroll” tbh
torpid fiber
#outlaw-faq is pretty great, combine it with the wowhead guide (which is written by someone who is good and trustworthy) and you should be fine
exotic agate
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quaint mauve
ima stop pressing KS first pull of cinderbrew
pale girder
ty
buoyant cosmos
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
keen belfry
need precise cuts + gm + nimble flurry off target % dmg thing
mighty pivot
don't worry guys this week's patch will stop all the dooming 
sudden fulcrum
Wack
sharp hinge
sullen walrus
don't worry guys this week's patch will stop all the dooming <:Okay:104315308669...
don’t think so tbh
timber knoll
rogue's cooked man, i don't blame realz it's just a continual systemic failure, they do not know what to do with rogue and don't have the time to rethink the class from th eground up
proper bear
sharp hinge
cutting half of them could save the other half.
grim spear
The line between spec and class in WoW is too blurry.
Sometimes it feels like you're playing THE spec
and other times you're just picking the strongest build available to your class.
solar hazel
which enchant is better cursed one or normal
gaunt phoenix
they are the same really
grim spear
pick the cheaper one
strong halo
What’s the bug abuse you can do supposedly for more dps?
gaunt phoenix
nice try blizzard
strong halo
Idk someone told me there’s a bug where you get perma 5-6 rolls and start m+ with a full roll
And that apparently Zac uses it
ripe ibex
coup de grace a critter
edgy phoenix
fossil lintel
He posts most of his keys on youtube you can just check and see that doesn't happen
strong halo
I agree I’m just confused I was told there’s a slice and dice bug and a extra buffs from RtB bug
Which essentially allows him to out dps an unholy dk in high keys
lime lake
strong halo
I heard this from a pretty high io rogue so I’m confused if it’s just bs or there’s some truth to it
hollow temple
frail veldt
I agree I’m just confused I was told there’s a slice and dice bug and a extra bu...
who told you that
keen belfry
I agree I’m just confused I was told there’s a slice and dice bug and a extra bu...
slice and dice bug is 0.01% dps and extra rtb buffs isnt a thing
this is what they accused me of mewo
keen belfry
yeah
strong halo
Idk if it’s tied to rtb but apparently you can get extra buffs
keen belfry
sounds like cope
frail veldt
Idk if it’s tied to rtb but apparently you can get extra buffs
again, who told you this
call them out
strong halo
Rubbers on stream 3800 io
strong halo
No he was pretty serious I didn’t even bring it up
frail veldt
heres the thing
if someoen tells you theres a bug to get extra X
but doesnt tell you how
theyre usually lying
strong halo
The tldr is that Zac does well but uses a slice and dice buff and gets extra buffs bug that shows in the logs in cinderbrew when an outlaw rogue does 500k more overall then top unholy dk
strong halo
These aren’t my words I’m extrapolating
keen belfry
it sounds like cope
frail veldt
there are lots of other rogues in here who perform close to zac in similar environments
well "lots"
like a handful
but still
strong halo
there are lots of other rogues in here who perform close to zac in similar envir...
Bug abusers everywhere smh
I’m kidding btw
frail veldt
copers everywhere smh
but yeah
idk
the dude who told you that
is trolling you hard
keen belfry
The tldr is that Zac does well but uses a slice and dice buff and gets extra buf...
the only ACTUAL use of the snd bug is prekey getting 2 rolls before first pull. legit
strong halo
He didn’t tell me that he mentioned it on his stream in reference to Zac’s performance
keen belfry
zac gaps cuz skill gap
strong halo
the only ACTUAL use of the snd bug is prekey getting 2 rolls before first pull. ...
This might be what he was referring too
keen belfry
yes and that use is literally like, 0.001% gain
it equals 2 more supercharger stacks
that is nothing in a key
strong halo
I’m not opining btw I heard the claim and wanted to know if there was any validity
keen belfry
most times if u see a random "this person blasting is bug abusing" its cope
strong halo
Well a 3800 io streamer holds some weight, I just thought he knew something I didn’t
frail veldt
He didn’t tell me that he mentioned it on his stream in reference to Zac’s perfo...
He is trolling you lol
frail veldt
Well a 3800 io streamer holds some weight, I just thought he knew something I di...
Opposite
He's even more likely to troll you
strong halo
I may have picked up rogue like a month ago but he def wasn’t trolling
hollow temple
bigger IO/smaller IQ
strong halo
He was talking to someone else about overall performances
keen belfry
yeetodepleeto is coping evilshoty
hollow temple
direct correlation
strong halo
yeetodepleeto is coping evilshoty
Oh that was the guy in the chat
keen belfry
rubbers is yeetodepleeto
strong halo
bigger IO/smaller IQ
Bro I’m a fucken genius
strong halo
Ok so you see I’m not imagining a claim
frail veldt
Bro
keen belfry
im 99% sure these are the same ppl who group reported me like a month ago for "dps bug abusing"
strong halo
My conclusion is that
frail veldt
im 99% sure these are the same ppl who group reported me like a month ago for "d...
Lol ain't no way
strong halo
@keen belfry is but abusing please report
hollow temple
frail veldt
butt abuser confirmed
frail veldt
how did they know you
keen belfry
tldr: a rogue in here joined a random discord for a key, they bricked a CB, the group was then complaining about me to the other rogue for dps abusing
that rogue dm'd me asking for the bug
and he said they were all reporting me multiple times lmao
apparently i did a key with them or something idk
keen belfry
cuz blast
the rogue said they saw me hit 20mil in cb, idk if he meant they saw on a stream or in a key with me
it was a night after i did some keys with a guy who gets like 80 viewers (nbd)
frail veldt
the rogue said they saw me hit 20mil in cb, idk if he meant they saw on a stream...
cudgel go brr
keen belfry
m+ ppl are so funny
it always a bunch of cope when it comes to dmg meters
first time push pushing keys and ive been exposed to the weirdness of high io lfg
keen belfry
i have some insane screenshots
this is the only guy on my ignore list
tldr didnt want to complete a bricked 16 FG for vault or reroll (i dont remember)
quaint mauve
do yall press KS first pull of cinderbrew.... this cant be real
keen belfry
bro started talking about how i dont se ethe big picture and that im being really selfish
keen belfry
do yall press KS first pull of cinderbrew.... this cant be real
its very safe to
frail veldt
do yall press KS first pull of cinderbrew.... this cant be real
ofc
quaint mauve
its very safe to
what in the world is even killing me then man
keen belfry
that pull hurts
frail veldt
the muscle does a bunch of aoe
quaint mauve
im pressing my buttons :(
quaint mauve
kk
strong halo
@keen belfry stop abusing bugs bro
keen belfry
are u running cheat death
quaint mauve
no im not
keen belfry
good
quaint mauve
should i?
keen belfry
keep feint up then
quaint mauve
oh ok
wintry solar
Bug abusers everywhere smh
frank finch
there are lots of other rogues in here who perform close to zac in similar envir...
if zac is a 100 parser what number would you consider close
frail veldt
90-100
frank finch
whoa
frail veldt
maybe 95 if were being strict
frail veldt
I mean
frank finch
the great tomelvis
frail veldt
zac is obv very good but theres also a lot that goes into an overall other than just your rotatio9n
theres a lot of impact of route
which is why zac has increased his own dps by like more than 15% from a couple months ago
its not like hes doing his rotation 15% better
vivid vessel
1 month buddy, surely they have time to reduce killing spree channel duration
frail veldt
1 month buddy, surely they have time to reduce killing spree channel duration
what if they like it this way
vivid vessel
They are dumb
frail veldt
exactly
old python
will we finally be preferred spec into mythic raiding? 
vivid vessel
I don't think there was a single time the entire community agreed
frail veldt
will we finally be preferred spec into mythic raiding? <:PePeHands:1051989293050...
no
vivid vessel
On something
frail veldt
wed have to be broken tuned to ever be in prog
vivid vessel
If they ask for feedback and then just ignore it
old python
#bringbacknyalotha
vivid vessel
They are bad devs
old python
wed have to be broken tuned to ever be in prog
still assa then?
delicate seal
We have devs?
frail veldt
still assa then?
its usually sub
unless sub is very very bad
well maybe not usually
but its at least a toss u p
old python
this tier was assa no?
vivid vessel
I heard this from a pretty high io rogue so I’m confused if it’s just bs or ther...
Was he an assa player
frail veldt
yeah sub was like lowest dps in game this season lol
strong halo
Was he an assa player
you’ll see it was a streamer 3800 io outlaw rogue.
But the whole discord aggree I have no skill issue. You abuse bugs. 🐞
strong halo
rubbers is yeetodepleeto
^
vivid vessel
Idk who rubbers is
So he can't be an outlaw rogue
Since I know all outlaw rogues
Right
strong halo
Exactly
Just like I have perfect skills and rotation mastery
So you must be abusing bugs to be doing more dps than me
frail veldt
1% dps per press
vivid vessel
I guess that must be
frail veldt
23% overall
strong halo
Why would you ever press SnD if buff is auto? (Genuine question)
light patio
are outlaw sims busted or something
my ST sim is 2.9 mil, my assa sim is like 2.4 mil and gear is not THAT much worse
vivid vessel
https://tenor.com/view/cops-police-sirens-catching-crminals-what-you-gonna-do-gi...
Without bug I would be under tank ..
strong halo
To be fair to him he said “he’s a good player anyways even if he uses the bugs”
vivid vessel
I mean I do use a bug
Everyone does
And the bug is worth
Maybe 1% dps
Say 2 if you are being nice
In some keys
Like workshop
Probably worth 0.5% in cinderbreww
Which is quite a big number
strong halo
And the bug is just to use slice and dice? For extra cdr?
strong halo
You can tell me we share something in common
strong halo
(Je suis pas ricain)
frail veldt
oh ok
vivid vessel
Only me..
vivid vessel
I have to go to work I'm getting late from yapping brb
quaint mauve
im so happy abt this but its so dumb
i kept up with dps with a hunter 20 ilvls above me in ST
proven ocean
If I tell you how to do it you will do my damage ..
Reverse ego i see i see
Not bad not bad
strong halo
Zeros would never bug abuse my hero.
ashen stump
is BF broken right now? Cleaves when you use it but then not once afterwards
frail veldt
nope
torpid fiber
is BF broken right now? Cleaves when you use it but then not once afterwards
passive cleave doesn't happen if the initial hit kills the target
this is a side effect of the fix that made dead targets not count towards bf target cap
wintry solar
3rd rookery boss is ass
frail veldt
passive cleave doesn't happen if the initial hit kills the target
oh wtf
thats the first ive heard
ashen stump
Ugh, thot something was fucked. Farming some old mounts hadnt been on rogue in a bit and its obnoxious as hell clearing stuff that should just die in one swipe
torpid fiber
i don't actually know i'm not subbed (one month until .2 🙏) i've just seen a bunch of ppl mention it for old content
proven ocean
thats the first ive heard
U never did old content?
ashen stump
it would be pretty cool if the blizz devs ever played one of the classes
frail veldt
U never did old content?
nope
torpid fiber
my guess is that it's non-trivial to fix the bf situation
frail veldt
sounds like a hack
proven ocean
Only initial hit hits
ashen stump
yeah, really annoying
proven ocean
After that, ur ss and stuff wont BF
torpid fiber
it's presumably the bug that the flag that made the dead targets towards target cap was implemented to fix
ashen stump
ill just play sub for now then i guess. irritating bug tho
quaint mauve
what’s a good % of uptime for ar in m+
torpid fiber
so likely fixing it would require a rescript of the spell
quaint mauve
i’m not really sure what i should be aiming for
frail veldt
90+%
proven ocean
so likely fixing it would require a rescript of the spell
Some dev fked all the spells in SL prepatch
Wont mention who
proven ocean
Saying 1 spell is an understatement
Almost all spells got bugged that patch and we only noticed overtime
vivid vessel
last 30% is snd bug
proven ocean
Snd bug is around 30% dps gain
quaint mauve
i feel like i’m treating ar like an actual cooldown rather then sending it whenever it goes down
proven ocean
Abuse it while u can
quaint mauve
what the frick is snd
torpid fiber
shortening of "sand"
wintry solar
shorthand for sandwich
vivid vessel
Yes
proven ocean
U feel like shit cuz its still early in the day i know
At night
The brain behaves in a different way
Zeross - 2025
Wise words or
vivid vessel
I see
torpid fiber
The brain behaves in a different way
wintry solar
real
old python
sooo when will we be let in to this snd bug
wintry solar
bros not in the know
torpid fiber
isn't it just the stupid ass thing where you can sometimes get extra cp from using supercharged cp for snd
actual tiny dps gain type shit.
vivid vessel
Wtf
torpid fiber
sorry for giving away ur 2% dps zac
quaint mauve
sooo when will we be let in to this snd bug
bigbobmobile keys incoming
vivid vessel
This has been a secret garded since s1 sl
How did you finally discover us
Me and my goon awang have been destroying dungeons with it since then
Now it's over gg
quaint mauve
Me and my goon awang have been destroying dungeons with it since then
zac can i be one of your goons
torpid fiber
isn't it just the stupid ass thing where you can sometimes get extra cp from usi...
at least with er u could always spam it, afaik this bug just rng ends bc of how ruthlessness works
torpid fiber
i really don't understand how the fix to er bug didn't fix this
vivid vessel
Idk why people think its a good bug
torpid fiber
ppl overestimate the value of bugs
vivid vessel
Also when I say it's not big people ask me why I even do it then
??
I do things for 0.1% gains
quaint mauve
if i can’t be your goon… i’ll be your enemy…
vivid vessel
They don't know
quaint mauve
torpid fiber
Also when I say it's not big people ask me why I even do it then
those ppl are fake wow players ngl
vivid vessel
html5 my guy
vivid vessel
those ppl are fake wow players ngl
Right
torpid fiber
if it's not immediately clear why a wow player would make themselves miserable for 0.05% dps then they just don't know enough wow players
vivid vessel
I hate people like these
Wdym you aren't trying for any DPS you can get ?
Maybe that's why you do 0 damage
quaint mauve
html5 my guy
i’m no longer your guy…
old python
Wdym you aren't trying for any DPS you can get ?
thistbh
quaint mauve
season 3… hoa… 3 pm
vivid vessel
Haha
quaint mauve
be there or be square
wintry solar
if you cared enough about the dps gain youd have known about the bug by now frfr
quaint mauve
nope… LOL
torpid fiber
Wdym you aren't trying for any DPS you can get ?
honestly I think this is the big mentality shift that everyone should have if they care about their dps at all
quaint mauve
i’ll squash u like the bug u are
old python
if you cared enough about the dps gain youd have known about the bug by now frfr
i'm a filthy mage player bruh im just getting into outlaw for the first time since nyalotha
torpid fiber
if you're not always going "how can i do more damage" then you will not figure out ways to do more damage
wintry solar
filthy is right
frail veldt
whats funny is theyve fixed the bug sometimes
in the past
I think last season
they fixed it for like two weeks
randomly lol
vivid vessel
I think most people can lose dps from it
wintry solar
Mog bigger dps gain frfr
vivid vessel
No offense but for now you will be one of them cause you have low ADR
wintry solar
that feeling of having your mog just right
quaint mauve
u right u right
old python
does high apm from fire mage translate to outlaw? 👉 👈
vivid vessel
Once you know the spec if you are still interested in outlaw
You will know the bug
And maybe you gain the measly DPS you can get from it
vivid vessel
does high apm from fire mage translate to outlaw? 👉 👈
Ye sure it's the same spec
Procs
Fast
quaint mauve
does high apm from fire mage translate to outlaw? 👉 👈
fire mage doesn’t have KS, not even a close competition
old python
fire mage doesn’t have KS, not even a close competition
yes but we have brain damage
frail veldt
mage is harder defensively though
old python
kinda same thing no?
frail veldt
as outlaw all you have to focus on is rotation
and not dying to ks
you dont have to think about mobility or defensives
quaint mauve
No offense but for now you will be one of them cause you have low ADR
should i send it everytime it drops
i feel like my downtime comes from waiting on resending ar
quaint mauve
ok
torpid fiber
why are you waiting LMAO
quaint mauve
okok
torpid fiber
you even use it while it's already up sometimes no?
quaint mauve
why are you waiting LMAO
idk like uhhh saving my cds for big stuff
torpid fiber
outlaw is the no cd spec
quaint mauve
you even use it while it's already up sometimes no?
wait really?
frail veldt
idk like uhhh saving my cds for big stuff
bro
torpid fiber
holding is for boring specs
frail veldt
I think you should go read the faq
asking about a 1% bug
when youre losing 20% from not doing rotation right lol
vale warren
Snd bug is goated in legacy content, you just run around spamming snd and perma sprinting
torpid fiber
it was insane with er bug
frail veldt
Snd bug is goated in legacy content, you just run around spamming snd and perma...
thats been fixed
so no
torpid fiber
and quad grapple
frail veldt
I wish that was still in
vale warren
I'm talking about the supercharger one
You just gotta ps something from time to time to get ur 1cp back
quaint mauve
when youre losing 20% from not doing rotation right lol
just throw a brick at my head while ur at it 😭💔
vale warren
Yeah but there's trash everywhere for when you don't get the refund
wintry solar
if I need an uhm actually I know just who to go to
balmy topaz
gm
grim spear
So how do you actually do the SnD bug? I don’t think I ever got it to work.
round lagoon
?? Delve man easier we ass or outlaw you reckon
shy flume
Can u cancelara subterfuge ?
still shard
Does this mean that there will be no major changes to other class?
shy flume
Guys do u know if u can cancelaura subterfuge ?
https://youtu.be/JZM7yIk00lw?si=00eYEuzsBRZQkna7 5:04 how do u cancel subterfuge here into back to back stleath. @vivid vessel
Legit stleathing back when 4 sec left of subterfuge
Must be cancelaura
It wasnt working before how does work now
flat needle
You can just go back to stealth when you are out of fight, no matter if subterfuge active
It didnt work last season iirc, but they made some changes and now its working
shy flume
Yea because im 100 sure it wasnt like this before
lone spear
it was a bug, it got fixed this season, yuh
flat needle
Yes i think they implemented it with the other changes like vanish resets your bte etc.
wintry solar
Does this mean that there will be no major changes to other class?
whered you read this?
quaint mauve
i can figure out what to get with dinars
torpid fiber
Congrats
quaint mauve
CANT*
i need trinkets desperately though
im split between the junk magnet and the thug hotline
wintry solar
I had heroic house of cards and idk what happened to it
quaint mauve
is hoc good even tho its mastery?
wintry solar
its not in my inv and its not in iterm restoration
strong cargo
im split between the junk magnet and the thug hotline
Thug hotline only good in raid
wintry solar
good is a strong word but I guess so
quaint mauve
what should i get for m+
wintry solar
it was my highghest simming trinket and I want it back
strong cargo
Magnet is great ye
strong cargo
it was my highghest simming trinket and I want it back
Is it Hc magnet ? Do you have acces to myt dungeon trinkets ?
Wrong tag sorry 😄
wintry solar
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HERO TRACK HOUSE OF CARDS
quaint mauve
Is it Hc magnet ? Do you have acces to myt dungeon trinkets ?
yes , no
but this is what im running rn and i cant get any drops
strong cargo
Then pacemaker would be good I guess
wintry solar
we call this "Russian Stealth"
wintry solar
The spec is so fun
quaint mauve
ok after not being stupid and holding ar
i got to 86% uptime in cinderbrew
now i’m stuck bc i swear it was barely ever down
vivid vessel
thats good !
the last % comes from uptime optimizations
and better button presses
making less mistakes
always being fast
azure vortex
I saw a chinese outlaw rogue meme once but I dont remember what it was
pistol goes boom boom boom 手槍砰砰砰 infinite power無限的力量great shame for family對家人來說是極大的恥辱banned by heavenly decree被天命所禁止would do it again會再做一次
That was it
balmy topaz
@vivid vessel I've not played since they done the change of BtE cd resets going into stealth, do we want to make sure BtE is on cd before going into stealth or does it not really matter
dire dagger
Is there a write up anywhere for the new season changes for Outlaw? Gave wow a break 2 months ago, and need to clue myself up for new season!
lone spear
Is there a write up anywhere for the new season changes for Outlaw? Gave wow a b...
yea in the pins theres a writeup
dire dagger
yea in the pins theres a writeup
Ok nice, (had read that, was checking if there was much more is all!) KS change is nice, no more hopping through a wall hopefully 😂
lone spear
i mean while gearing up, if you just want the haste to play KiR go for it
balmy topaz
KIR only
lone spear
Ok nice, (had read that, was checking if there was much more is all!) KS change ...
yeap, no more landing in a swirly too
balmy topaz
Would be nice if there was a duration change on KS tbh
dire dagger
And suppose i better get the belt for the new season? Presume that will be BIS till like a mythic/max heroic piece ?
lone spear
Would be nice if there was a duration change on KS tbh
yea, its been a request that theyre aware of, depends on the direction they wanna go
balmy topaz
And suppose i better get the belt for the new season? Presume that will be BIS t...
Yeah and it's really easy to get
lone spear
idm keeping the channel long if it does big damage/doesnt tick down ADR
dire dagger
sweet, ty!
balmy topaz
idm keeping the channel long if it does big damage/doesnt tick down ADR
Doesn't really suit the gameplay aspect tho
Might as well make it a hold ability like the evokers have if you want it like that
Least it makes it interesting
lone spear
i think contrast is a nice thing to have sometimes, like i wouldnt want them to add another off-gcd ability that increases apm for example
lone spear
Might as well make it a hold ability like the evokers have if you want it like t...
yea that would be cool, but kinda works diff to normal empowers
balmy topaz
Rolling off GCD would be nice
novel socket
I saw a chinese outlaw rogue meme once but I dont remember what it was
it was from the gcd bug in s1 iirc
where you would stack coup on dummy and use it on a critter
balmy topaz
It's strange getting used to having KS
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix btw idk if it's just ptr lag, but since ub procs are delayed it's legit so hard to react to them if you don't know they are coming (which you did before thanks to the weak aura kinda) so I find myself vanishing into having coup more often
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
That reminds me <@352916297262301194> Is your UB WA on your profile thing
Rogue pack
balmy topaz
ty
quaint mauve
you don't want to
i’m such a button masher it’s fuckin me over in some cases
torpid fiber
drop spellqueuewindow to 250 then
Killing spellqueue entirely is objectively a dps drop
quaint mauve
where do i find that at in settings
torpid fiber
you have to do a console command idr what it is
quaint mauve
okok
torpid fiber
But also the catch is that if you get the wrong button due to spellqueue that means with low enough spellqueue you would have lost dps from delaying your gcd instead
wintry solar
Idrg why every one has been talking about spellqueue lately
quaint mauve
Idrg why every one has been talking about spellqueue lately
i’m the first i’ve seen
torpid fiber
I feel like there's been less sqw talk than usual ngl
quaint mauve
yay
torpid fiber
ppl have mostly all come to the same agreement on sqw here after enough discussions which is "use what works for you"
There's no "optimal" sqw
I play at 400 and I know a few other people here do, zeross plays at something crazy low like 150 or w/e
quaint mauve
But also the catch is that if you get the wrong button due to spellqueue that me...
honestly i might be better off keeping it as is, and just stop button mashing
torpid fiber
I don't mash which is why I can get away with 400, yeah
But a lot of ppl do mash here
It's a preference thing
quaint mauve
it only happens in my stealth window too… i’m so eager to bte
torpid fiber
I've never mashed
vivid vessel
am i able to turn on spell queuing
thats terrible btw
torpid fiber
40 is insane
fluid iron
clearly worked fine for him considering he raided top 6
torpid fiber
40 is crazy that's hard rhythm game perfect window
doing a 2.5f input every second is what the hell
fluid iron
i play with 80, but i wont recommend people that, i just got used to cuz i changed it by accident like 10 years ago
same thing happened to me in CoD i by accident play with inverted Y-axis
cuz you get a prompt when you boot up the game for the first time if you want inverted or not, and my impatient ass just spammed X
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> btw idk if it's just ptr lag, but since ub procs are delay...
Does the 2pc proc have a second delay
I didn't notice
Like ss > UB after 300ms > UB again after 600ms total?
strong cargo
I've been playing with 0 for several years, and back to normal setting I still feel really bad about it, lot of wrong gcds cause it locks the next spell and I can't change it when I react to a proc
vivid vessel
Like ss > UB after 300ms > UB again after 600ms total?
im unsure about that
covert kestrel
I've been playing with 0 for several years, and back to normal setting I still f...
vivid vessel
But it's more so that now you can't really use the weak aura, even if it get updated you still get way more random procs than ks ones
So you have to react to them
Which is annoying with the delay
But it might be + delay ptr also adding to that tbf
gaunt phoenix
Yeah idk
It shouldn't have a delay ofc
But what are the chances they are aware and address that
dense forge
Hello guys , i saw a yellow class on new PTR , is this new support class?
vivid vessel
But what are the chances they are aware and address that<:garf:13201730327438991...
ye
.5 after
xd
vivid vessel
what you cookin
ub is mega delayed so its annoying to react to
dense forge
but if its 0.4 after its reactable no?
vivid vessel
Ye
Im unsure you are able to react to that honestly idk
It's a massive difference
brisk meadow
no way you react to .3 when there is shit going on
torpid fiber
yeah that's well within unreactable range
imo anything below 0.6s is too low for wow
brisk crypt
any ptr notes for this week?
quaint mauve
no way you react to .3 when there is shit going on
ask around abt me
brisk meadow
what
quaint mauve
i could
torpid fiber
i could
https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime
do this and then add 0.150 at minimum to account for other shit going on
reef forge
I mean with spell queuing being a thing also I don't even think the game would be able to
brisk meadow
https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime
do this and then add 0.150 at min...
rip me
30 years too old
assa here i come
torpid fiber
wtf that's giga fast
brisk meadow
I'm mainly fps player
torpid fiber
i got this and this is legit one of my best
quaint mauve
LOL
brisk meadow
do like
quaint mauve
im kidding
torpid fiber
i'm so bad
brisk meadow
all of them
not just once
but there is a difference
between just waiting to click
brisk meadow
and react to a proc in your rotation and you need to make the corresponding decision
torpid fiber
and react to a proc in your rotation and you need to make the corresponding deci...
yeah that's why i said add 0.15 at min
teal wing
brisk crypt
torpid fiber
i have dogshit reactions
torpid fiber
nah i'm like this on all hardware
gaunt phoenix
Nice
quaint mauve
and react to a proc in your rotation and you need to make the corresponding deci...
when im off my 30 mg adderal and have music in my ear
quaint mauve
i have .001s delay in my mind
torpid fiber
outlaw doesn't actually need fast reactions
teal wing
its okay
quaint mauve
trust
teal wing
we can still be friends
torpid fiber
outlaw doesn't actually need fast reactions
This is true btw, it needs you to know it well not crazy reactions
jolly geyser
lucky guess lol
quaint mauve
does any class really need that crazy of reaction
torpid fiber
If you can't react in 0.8s you shouldn't be legally able to have a driver's licence so outlaw doesn't need quick reactions imo
quaint mauve
i dont think
teal wing
ret paladin
brisk meadow
does any class really need that crazy of reaction
my m+ mates on 3rd boss of floodgate when i hit killingspree
leaden folio
quaint mauve
my m+ mates on 3rd boss of floodgate when i hit killingspree
LOL
jolly geyser
I didnt,I clicked by mistake and it was right
torpid fiber
does any class really need that crazy of reaction
Warrior players have to figure out which player in their group to insult first
quaint mauve
my m+ mates on 3rd boss of floodgate when i hit killingspree
FUNNY STORY GUYS
i assassinated my tank doing exactly this
and he said "im praying for the day u reroll back to warrior"
teal wing
sounds like tank issue to me
dense forge
quaint mauve
trueeee
brisk meadow
too old for this shit
torpid fiber
I'm 22 and I get 230s idk I think anyone at 150 is cracked
quaint mauve
I'm 22 and I get 230s idk I think anyone at 150 is cracked
my arthiritis hasnt kicked in yet
torpid fiber
Mine hasn't either my wrists are just gone but that shouldn't matter
Tbf I use a vertical mouse which might slightly slow it but not 100ms
I don't play shooters tho
brisk meadow
do the test grandpa
quaint mauve
I don't play shooters tho
i play a lot of overwatch so maybe thats why
teal wing
stop bully
torpid fiber
i play a lot of overwatch so maybe thats why
Shooters are reaction trainers
vivid vessel
i have shit reaction time to these things usually
torpid fiber
I think they're mostly just "do you play shooters" tests
Either way I've made my point
torpid fiber
proof that outlaw doesn't need reactions tbh
vivid vessel
i mean
torpid fiber
Yeah
torpid fiber
Yeyeye
vivid vessel
Like I press SS I know I will get a ps most likely or I know I will end up at finisher cp
torpid fiber
Yepp
vivid vessel
There is a very limited number of things you need to react to at any given gcd
torpid fiber
Knowing and understanding outlaw makes reacting to it so much easier
quaint mauve
i need reset to happen already
leaden pollen
hi, does mastery proc cleave with flurry?
rough citrus
Hey everyone, I'm new to outlaw. I've been using the ambush spec from Dalaran Gaming, can anyone give me any tips for learning the rotation?
balmy topaz
quickest I could do
gaunt phoenix
hi, does mastery proc cleave with flurry?
Ya
gaunt phoenix
Hey everyone, I'm new to outlaw. I've been using the ambush spec from Dalaran Ga...
Carefully consider the priority from #outlaw-faq
stiff hawk
balmy topaz
What can I say
random stirrup
you need to do 5 to get rid of outliers a bit 
brisk crypt
Is anyone good with weakauras? I'm using luxthos and was wondering if its possible to customise something relatively minor but would help me out on it
and im clueless with wa lol
haughty moat
with 39
civic zephyr
Is anyone good with weakauras? I'm using luxthos and was wondering if its possib...
Depends what you wanna change, it's pretty simple, I just made my own basic one https://wago.io/2lV15lWYv
What was it?
brisk crypt
What was it?
AR cd only shows when it’s 30 sec or less I wanted to change it so I can see it all the time
ember rain
think you can just find that in the wa and change the load condition
covert kestrel
AR cd only shows when it’s 30 sec or less I wanted to change it so I can see it ...
Are you using the luxthos edit from this channel or just og
civic zephyr
Would be under conditions from memory
find sub menu with a > or < icon with the number 30 and adjust
Im just going into a dg so will have to look, I just made mine with premade auras using the addon but it should be under conditions otherwise trigger
After this DG i can download luxthos pack and find it
civic zephyr
AR cd only shows when it’s 30 sec or less I wanted to change it so I can see it ...
Should be that
Conditions number 5, remaining duration 30 change the value
Let me know if correct, I disabled it as it conflicts with mine
civic zephyr
WOuld be under triggers no?
Cant test atm but this is what it should be
civic zephyr
If he is using the basic one from WAGO not an edited version
I told him to change value
I don't see anything under Trigger
That could be it
balmy topaz
I don't see anything under Trigger
If you remove that condition or change it to 180 it should do what you want
civic zephyr
Yes that is what I have said
balmy topaz
I thought you were the person who wanted soz
plucky chasm
AR cd only shows when it’s 30 sec or less I wanted to change it so I can see it ...
Bro really, ask Chat gpt no joke xd will help u
civic zephyr
Bro really, ask Chat gpt no joke xd will help u
I am Chat GPT
median lance
Daddy doesn't like when you talk about ai
Youre on thin ice kitten. **slaps feet together
strong halo
So what do I do if I have 4 seconds of AR left and it’s already back up? Send anyways?
glass mortar
yes to generate cp
median lance
Pause. To generate what
strong halo
Combo points
glass mortar
^ CP
hybrid crown
If you can line up refreshing it with subterfuge window it's sorta like a free ace proc
brisk crypt
Are you using the luxthos edit from this channel or just og
og
brisk crypt
Thanks! I just changed it to "On cooldown" and now it works 🙂
civic zephyr
Thanks! I just changed it to "On cooldown" and now it works 🙂
Awesome, glad to hear I was of assistance 🙂
brisk crypt
WA always scare me lol I feel like I'm gonna change something and its gonna explode
civic zephyr
u can always make a copy or upload it before hand incase you do make a mistake for future. I have done it before
strong halo
Anyone know any WA that has combo points like this with number showing (horizontal pref)
mighty pivot
the bars are not same length 
strong halo
Maybe I can just make my own
mighty pivot
but something like this you can set up yourself in like 3 minutes. It's just a progress bar one for resource -> energy, one for resource -> combo points
strong halo
Bet thanks
desert tendon
more than zeross?
chrome eagle
Bro really, ask Chat gpt no joke xd will help u
LOL
lucid sandal
Do you guys ever stop pressing buttons
glass mortar
when we are dead
sudden fulcrum
can't stop won't stop
glass mortar
lucid sandal
Like your BtE/KS is coming off cd in 2 sec do you press your 1 remaining charge of vanish
sudden fulcrum
even when i am dead i am pressing buttons to tell the healer it is their fault
wintry solar
@proven ocean any earbuds you recommend?
glass mortar
no if kspree is off cd in 2 seconds (bte doesnt matter so not that one) then you would just keep building and spending and then kspree and then vanish
assuming AR wont time out/coup isnt ready right after kspree
lucid sandal
no if kspree is off cd in 2 seconds (bte doesnt matter so not that one) then you...
What's the threshold for this
keen belfry
What's the threshold for this
20ish is a good number
you really want to try and not waste any KS cd
ks = more unseen blades = more coups which are good
lucid sandal
Okay big we level up
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> any earbuds you recommend?
i don't use earbuds except airpods pro but they aren't good i dont recommend
they fall off
strong halo
combo points but as a progress bar ?
I’m an old man I just want the number to show
wintry solar
I'm not in the wireless earbud market anyway.
proven ocean
idk
i can't recommend anyone that knows earbuds well other than vrgL
he knows all things about sound and music
u can maybe ask him
keen belfry
I’m an old man I just want the number to show
just create a wa that tracks the buff of combo points and only shows it as a text
keen belfry
do u know WA basics?
wintry solar
Ty
strong halo
Yeah, I have a edited version of Zac’s I might just add it top right or something
Zac’s was too blurry for me had to make it look cooler 😎
strong halo
Idk maybe I’m an old man but in all the chaos of procs and buffs I feel like sometimes I send at 4 cp when I want more, and my brains too lazy to parse how filled the bar is
So maybe a count helps
hybrid crown
I saw one where it turns green when at max cps that looked helpful
sudden fulcrum
shocking
chrome eagle
I work in the Audio industry. There are ~100 years of documentation for mixing and audio engineering, and its still constantly wrong.
sudden fulcrum
ya ChatGPT is known for giving fast, convincing, and wrong answers
chrome eagle
It's worse because sometimes it mixes it with true facts with no elaboration :p
sudden fulcrum
i think it's really only useful if you have some idea of what the correct answer is already
as a novice it's just shooting yourself in the foot
strong halo
It's worse because sometimes it mixes it with true facts with no elaboration :p
Sometimes it flat out is wrong but worse it makes shit up sometimes
Like the RFK study with sources that never existed
chrome eagle
Sometimes it'll just say:
"Microphone level impedance is 600ohms"
Sure thats true on paper and most cases, but is it input or I output? Can you give me optimal cases for what microphone to use this impedance with? What about microphones that work better with different impedances?
Google AI is the worst offender because dumb people read the google ai overview and then take it's false word as gospel. I feel like outlaw has enough nuances that gpt will have the same struggles.
wintry solar
red zinc
Chatgpt just makes you dumber using it
Like not to act as if im some superior smart guy
wintry solar
Damn, who was asking me about the people using chatgpt
red zinc
But that shit just turns you into a lazy bum with no learning impulse
wintry solar
Putting my detective cap on
glass mortar
its pretty gross how normalized its getting for people to just give u the chatgpt/google ai answer
people used to be embarassed about trying to do that shit in a real conversation and only used them for the memes
chrome eagle
its pretty gross how normalized its getting for people to just give u the chatgp...
It's so scary seeing how many kids are using it to pass their classes rn
sudden fulcrum
its pretty gross how normalized its getting for people to just give u the chatgp...
in some servers its' against the rules to do that because it's lazy and often results in incorrect answers
glass mortar
i mean irl tbh
wintry solar
AI should only be used for Bigfoot instagram reels
glass mortar
the internet culture is far more toxic to ai usage then the normies i hang with irl
or gamer/discord communities at least
chrome eagle
Yar most ppl just kinda see it as a thing of life now
Just a normal thing we deal with or use
sudden fulcrum
hope you all get everything you want in your vault today
keen belfry
what if i dont want anything
sudden fulcrum
then you can give me what's in your vault
red zinc
Dont think I can get a cute twink music nerd bf from my vault
keen belfry
what if i want ryukage posting his haste % in dmg meter bragging in my vault?
sudden fulcrum
sounds like a tall order
strong halo
whats a good uptime % of AR in m+?
random stirrup
90+
mighty pivot
Dont think I can get a cute twink music nerd bf from my vault
not with that attitude
strong halo
oooof i got best pants from vault but i already use mythic shoulder with haste verse
d slice sim says i convert pants to tier.... any thoughts?
strong cargo
Did you also sim with converting shoulders ? Otherwise it will always chose 4p
strong halo
i mean D slice sims are never massive i find
strong halo
just saying sometimes d slice is like 0.4% and 5 targets is like 1.5%
mighty pivot
which is fine. dslice is a mix of different fights
strong halo
welp every sim shows pants into catalyst is better 1T / 5T / D Slice
random stirrup
the d slice
crit is better than mastery, so tier pants>tier shoulders
keen belfry
i might gain 1.5% dslice dmg today nbd
glass mortar
generally people r skipping shoulders or chest, dont really see anyone skipping pants yea
strong halo
i might gain 1.5% dslice dmg today nbd
dam what u get
keen belfry
first reclear and i killed oab/stix on my mage
so i can just get mythic hoc and magnet with dinars
glass mortar
mage uses magnet?
mighty pivot
keen belfry
mage uses magnet?
youre done
glass mortar
??
mighty pivot
one of the posts ended with a different emoji. Is it a hidden message?
glass mortar
???
keen belfry
mhm
glass mortar
¿
red zinc
fuck you delve
glass mortar
fuck you delve
ok
versed flint
@vivid vessel why does your WA meow at me...? what is that a sound cue for?? I cant find it
vivid vessel
Soothe
covert kestrel
<@352916297262301194> why does your WA meow at me...? what is that a sound cue f...
it means you're looking so kawaii and should blush for our supreme leader zacuwu
oh or that
vivid vessel
Just soothe the guy and he won't meow at you anymore
Miaou in french if you were interested
versed flint
i was running some timewalking and it kept happening and i thought i was going crazy
covert kestrel
devlin the looooong way
vivid vessel
You just don't know it cause I did that in SL and it changed so much I think the only thing that you could recognize is this
The miaou
versed flint
'preciate it.. and what to the different color highlighted rolls mean again? I see red, blue and yellow
vivid vessel
Red and blue will get rolled away
Yellow stats
Stays
Blue is CTO so it's easier to detect them in your mind and react if you need to
For kir and shit
versed flint
okay so yellow will only happen after kir?
vivid vessel
And a few other conditions that are quite rare
Some CTO can be yellow sometimes
Nothing to worry about tho
versed flint
okay thanks, blue is cto, red is rtb buffs and yellow wont get rerolled when rtb
vivid vessel
Yep
versed flint
ty ty♥
sharp hinge
any rogue updates
sudden fulcrum
yep rogue has been deleted and we're all DHs now
vivid vessel
our leader is rising up https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogues-feedback-...
He self contained into his own thread huge
sharp hinge
but i hate inertia muffin
sudden fulcrum
i think you can be a low mover now
sharp hinge
its like a lesser momentum
wary bridge
yep rogue has been deleted and we're all DHs now
The only class i will never touch
sharp hinge
i liked bfa dh
queen pine
frail veldt
our leader is rising up https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogues-feedback-...
who the fuck is this
vivid vessel
A dumbass
keen belfry
why is 4 man better for mob farming than 5?
frail veldt
why is 4 man better for mob farming than 5?
cuz you can do 2x4
keen belfry
wat dat mean
frail veldt
something about phasing once you reach full 5
so you can actually get 8 people together
if you do 2 groups of 4
keen belfry
oh so i shuold kick a 5th guy from this 5 stack?
frail veldt
idk
vivid vessel
Isn't it that when a 5 stack group tag a mob it becomes yellow
vivid vessel
Technically you can do infinite 4 stacks I think?
frail veldt
I knew it was something
vivid vessel
Or
frail veldt
I think theres still an upper limit before you cant stick in the same phase
vivid vessel
Isn't it that when a 5 stack group tag a mob it becomes yellow
Grey
vivid vessel
Ye you never seen grey mobs?
It's when an actual group tags it I think
Which you aren't at 4
keen belfry
meh
vivid vessel
??
