i see
#outlaw
quaint mauve
nova sinew
really minor
nimble sage
Having opened from stealth and subterfuge has expired. Do we use KS over vanish even when vanish has 2 charges?
timid portal
frank finch
wintry solar
dont hmm me
im just saying with what im experiencing at this very moment
im not going back to the cursor wa
quaint mauve
Having opened from stealth and subterfuge has expired. Do we use KS over vanish ...
you prio coup and KS over vanish im psure
wintry solar
!up
ornate heathBOT
fallow hinge
How are you sexc <:garf:1320173032743899157>
back off 
balmy topaz
He was mine first
fallow hinge
but I treat him better
fallow hinge
I was good until I saw you trying to yoink my emotional support censi
now I am filled with murder frenzy
desert tendon
balmy topaz
Ahh sheeet
wintry solar
fight fight fight fight
jolly geyser
wintry solar
who up simming they patchwerk?
covert kestrel
Having opened from stealth and subterfuge has expired. Do we use KS over vanish ...
Yes after first stealth window you ks, then after that shouldn't ever be capping 2 vanishes
Hi @balmy topaz 
balmy topaz
Hi <@168852450835562496> <a:blusherwave:1171939584402280509>
Hey hey hey
quaint mauve
im in purgatory
median lance
nimble sage
Yes after first stealth window you ks, then after that shouldn't ever be capping...
So Ks still has priority over 2x vanish?
quaint mauve
So Ks still has priority over 2x vanish?
u want KS on cd before u vanish
preferably >30s
keen river
I don't bother with M+ these days. I'm full hero track with just Delves and didn't have to go through the pain of entering the pug world.
balmy topaz
I just want to rob a key
grim spear
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
nimble sage
preferably >30s
if ks is coming off in 12sec and I have 2x vanish charges, do I still wait for KS?
@cinder relic Do we coup de grace in the crackshot window? Do coup de grace always have priority over BTE?
tulip quarry
<@96834520417828864> Do we coup de grace in the crackshot window? Do coup de gra...
You should read the rogue faq, advanced rotation part
nimble sage
You should read the rogue faq, advanced rotation part
I just read it again, I just noticed "not in subterfuge" <.<
There are several conditions in the rotation making it easy to mix up , thanks
tulip quarry
No worries, it can be confusing at first, but you will learn and it will become second nature in the end
Just invest time and effort learning the spec, and you will be fine 🙂
nimble sage
Can you link me to the advanced rotation part? I am not sure I am looking at the correct part
tulip quarry
There : #1276308344813916261 message
nimble sage
I already love reading this masterpiece, however - I am using Devlin's rogue pack and Muropaketti's RTB WA, sometimes I get the feeling Muropaketti's WA is telling me to reroll my buffs when Devlin's isn't and I don't know which to trust. Is anyone else running these together?
tulip quarry
I run another one, just for tracking purposes
the reroll rules are depending on your build, HO and KIR have different rules
You have the details into the Faq as well
Since i play KIR the only detail i need to have is the content KIR buff for reroll ^^
gaunt phoenix
if ks is coming off in 12sec and I have 2x vanish charges, do I still wait for K...
In a vacuum yes
though it's pretty rare that should happen
you can also vanish early if you are like, fighting more targets now then you would in a few seconds
tulip quarry
Solo, i have tried playing HO build with KIR stuff , that's pretty fun XD Having like infinite energy XD
tulip quarry
Nah, HO build with KIR stuff
gaunt phoenix
what is KIR stuff 
tulip quarry
So HO build with 20% flat Haste
tulip quarry
I used to lower my haste to arround 14 to 16% haste for HO
strong halo
So in the FAQ it says HO m+ build sims better single target than KIR build is that true? When I simmed it KIR was ahead by like 2-3%
nimble sage
Supercharger can not be tracked, right?
nimble sage
not for me
tulip quarry
nimble sage
hmm
tulip quarry
Platter, Elvui, should mark them
gaunt phoenix
So in the FAQ it says HO m+ build sims better single target than KIR build is th...
KIR with 1fth is better everywhere
KIR with 2fth is a bit behind st
The default KIR build in FAQ is 2fth but specifies 1fth is better if you can play it
lately 1fth is popular enough it might as well be the default choice and 2fth is not considered
I dunno though sometimes I wonder how many ppl are actually playing KIR 1fth well enough for it to be noticeably ahead of HO
tulip quarry
HO sims better for me
gaunt phoenix
perhaps on st it depends on gear
tulip quarry
Everywhere ^^
strong halo
I just don’t get how Zac does 2.5m+ single target sometimes in m+ bosses. I’m trying diff builds
gaunt phoenix
maybe depends on crit, if I yoink zac's profile then kir wins st
Cause the build is hard especially on st
you dont have the cheap cps from blade flurry to help you
it's hard cause the RTB rules are esoteric and have to constantly watch builder priority based on cps, broadside, and unseen blade procs
balmy topaz
Good to see you back
strong halo
Ty for info solo
balmy topaz
Did you enjoy your break
gaunt phoenix
ya
desert tendon
ya
balmy topaz
Ya 
covert kestrel
hmm
im fairly certain there is a custom option in the devlin pack for supercharger
i cant look it up rn
balmy topaz
I am so geared
sudden fulcrum
massive
gaunt phoenix
what compells you to play right now instead of 11.2
stiff hawk
I am so geared
drip drop the goat is stacked
balmy topaz
drip drop the goat is stacked
THERE HE IS
stiff hawk
balmy topaz
How are you Tira
stiff hawk
fine and you
balmy topaz
Yeah good ty looking forward to getting back in the game
sudden fulcrum
stiff hawk
Yeah good ty looking forward to getting back in the game
That will be a difficult journey
you need 21982384524 gilded crests
and nobody runs 10s/12s except People who are better off with 1 Buttons rotation
keen belfry
Whats the % of pressing SS 11 times without getting a PS proc
gaunt phoenix
is snc active
keen belfry
is snc active
No
stiff hawk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209492558829584404/1234390561952104519/i...
i have another one
frail veldt
yeah so itll be even LOWER than just the odds of not proccing
keen belfry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209492558829584404/1234390561952104519/i...
Omg we both had an 11 streak
frail veldt
shadow dance
stiff hawk
shadow dance
Good ol time
frail veldt
cuz fuck that boss
keen belfry
I did 1.25mil dps
balmy topaz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209492558829584404/1234390561952104519/i...
I remember this
this is a great meme
gaunt phoenix
ignoring snc then 11 times with no proc is 0.875% chance
stiff hawk
my streak was i think 16
gaunt phoenix
that's more like 0.1% 
gaunt phoenix
covert kestrel
We should add dry ss streaks to the ace counter wa
sudden fulcrum
gaunt phoenix
fatebound players
stiff hawk
dw we go back to fatebound which adds 5%
I mean that was S3 in DF
gaunt phoenix
10
gaunt phoenix
i think
stiff hawk
grim spear
tbh i love fb more
stiff hawk
frail veldt
current fb is just having no hero talents
and randomly multiply your damage sometimes
grim spear
but the concept is cool
frail veldt
but the concept is cool
what concept?
grim spear
coin flipper
gaunt phoenix
coins
frail veldt
ah
grim spear
cool
frail veldt
I think the concept has bad implications
glass mortar
when i read its namei sorta expected u to be weighing the odds of ur own % chances like ur dice or buff effects
grim spear
dice and coin
glass mortar
i guess it does give 5% proc rate
grim spear
hope card drawing gets added next time
frail veldt
eh
tbh the "gamba" part of outlaw really isnt my favorite
I like the variety that the gamba gives
but I dont like the idea of "bad" and "good" rolls
grim spear
tbh the "gamba" part of outlaw really isnt my favorite
But actually, KIR is great
frail veldt
kir makes it less gamba
grim spear
you throw the dice and then get to influence and interact with the result to some extent
frail veldt
thats why its so great
grim spear
yep
grim spear
The problem with FB is the lack of such a mechanic. It's a shame that FB doesn't have any interaction with KIR.
frail veldt
brilliant
grim spear
so the best part about the gamba
the best part of gamba is always cheating
glass mortar
fb should have had more mechanics about weighing ur odds for sure
glass mortar
it feels very strange ur somehow supposed to be dealing with fate but then the only way it influences ur odds at all is 5% SS proc chance
grim spear
but there is little cheating in fb, that's bad
glass mortar
that 5% node should be 5% better odds with everything % chance we have
or something like that
😠
frail veldt
well cold blood almost gives us that
covert kestrel
it feels very strange ur somehow supposed to be dealing with fate but then the o...
feight is a wild way to spell fate 
gaunt phoenix
feighnt
frail veldt
french spelling
glass mortar
cold blood makes it seem like there was a defined path to actual gameplay in the tree
but they never bothered to put any effort into making it viable
grim spear
so maybe they should move cb to some place we can actually have it
frail veldt
nah
glass mortar
it should just give CB
and the one in the talent tree gives u a second charge or something
frail veldt
cb is a piss button that adds a bind for almost 0 damage
theyd need to change the ability
it also isnt on our cdr
covert kestrel
feighnt
solo do you play genshin or did you join that server just to get the sim tag
frail veldt
the theme isnt the issue with cb
giving 100% crit chance for one button on outlaw is a fucking meme
gaunt phoenix
yes i do
frail veldt
it doesnt even work with ks
gaunt phoenix
They have their own simc
which i think is a rather impressive feat for an action game
But the community is not sim pilled like wow
they don't see the light
covert kestrel
they don't see the light
they cant see past their waifus thighs
frail veldt
it does since s3 of df fwiw
thought it was only the first hit
gaunt phoenix
ye
wintry solar
It's only been mentioned a couple times
frail veldt
finally
glass mortar
no surprise it isnt known
frail veldt
I mean yeah its still garbage
glass mortar
also it doesnt change much since ur already at 60% natty crit rate on each attack anyway
i mean CB shoulda been changed baseline to give guarenteed crit and crit damage based on ur crit chance
then make the fatebound tree just give u the talent if u take that node
frail veldt
crit damage would be wild
glass mortar
its not like it matters the talent is worth like 0.5% dps
eh i mean idk if itd be wild. maybe for sub? that would be too good
gaunt phoenix
now that we actually get lucky coin by playing the game it's worth even less
glass mortar
for us ud get what, like 280% crit on one ability every 45s
which is probably a bte
holy fukin 5m damage hit once every 45s
yea i mean the s3 set does a lot of heavy lifting
the rate we proc lucky coin with that set is what it should be baseline cmm
this hero talent is a joke
wintry solar
And then it'll get put in the fridge and spoil
grim spear
tbh, the problem is blz design team really doesn't seem to know how to design fun RNG
wintry solar
Because my microphone stand creaks when I move it and it sounds like a creaky board.
gaunt phoenix
i see
grim spear
RNG could be fun
frail veldt
nah
illusion of rng is fun
rng where you always high roll is what players "think" is fun rng
grim spear
that's it
sudden fulcrum
RNG not being fun is the whole reason bad luck protection exists
mighty pivot
Because my microphone stand creaks when I move it and it sounds like a creaky bo...
what will your name be when you get board of this one? 
glass mortar
no world should exist where outlaw can ever press SS 11+ times in a row with no proc
glass mortar
or at least, if it does exist, that outlaw shouldnt run out of energy
frail veldt
leme be more specific
rng of your damage output in a way that you cant control is NOT fun
grim spear
For RNG to be fun, it needs:
wintry solar
what will your name be when you get *board* of this one? <:LIMAO:137929759007991...
Creaky Bored Of Outlaw lolol
frail veldt
rng of your rotation in terms of choice that you react to is fun
but I wouldnt call that rng
thats more like dynamic rotation
grim spear
For RNG to be fun, it needs:
1 Some degree of control, through your build or other means
2 The ability to respond to the outcome
frail veldt
if your damage is randomly increased/lowered by rng in a way you have no control over
thats just straight up shit gameplay
like lucky coin
grim spear
yep
frail veldt
also imo this next seasons fatebound design feeling "good"
is more a juxtaposition to how bad it is right now
its still just arbitrary passive random damage
glass mortar
i dont really get why it feels good
frail veldt
cuz it doesnt feel bad
mighty pivot
no world should exist where outlaw can ever press SS 11+ times in a row with no ...
how do you eliminate that other than with guaranteeing a proc if you get too unlucky (every X of <ability>)?
glass mortar
the only part of the set uc an feel is u have slightly higher ar uptime
frail veldt
its just the contrast
glass mortar
how do you eliminate that other than with guaranteeing a proc if you get too unl...
reduce the energy cost of SS everytime it fails to proc
frail veldt
to how shit it is right now
keen belfry
i dont really get why it feels good
cuz it makes fateboud capstone function how it shouldve basically
frail veldt
reduce the energy cost of SS everytime it fails to proc
that would be SO good
10/10 idea
glass mortar
ok but ucannot feel the fatebound capstone
glass mortar
the only way u ever notice it us turn on a tracker
frail veldt
err sorry
glass mortar
it sucks because ur just gambling away like 8% of ur power budget to an rng proc
frail veldt
at fatebounds best its unnoticeable lol
gaunt phoenix
Tails coin just needs a cosmic visual something
frail veldt
but people like the animation of shitting out coins ig
glass mortar
tails coin needs a better visual, lucky coin needs a better visual
keen belfry
yes its like KS change, it only "good" because its helping soemthing doghsit become average at best
wintry solar
Pockets so full I'm dropping money
wintry solar
Leaking $$$$
random stirrup
fatebound is still the worst tree in the game
deathstalker sub
frail veldt
is horrible gameplay
grim spear
super ultra mega gigantic coin comes crashing down from above
frail veldt
both sub and assa
random stirrup
and assa to a lesser degree
glass mortar
fatebound is lucky, it doesnt provide any gameplay whatsoever
frail veldt
the mark is just annoying
wintry solar
fatebound is lucky, it doesnt provide any gameplay whatsoever
The irony
glass mortar
u can only get offended at it if u read the talent design
when it fucks u its all passively fucking u
prio damage turning off
missing lucky coin a whole pull (you did 6% less raw dps)
etc
frail veldt
okay were in a doom cyc,e
cycle
now everyonie go around and say something theyre excited for next season
grim spear
Or switch it up
glass mortar
some hero talents actively fuck u and make the rotation worse to play (sanlayn xd)
grim spear
FB with Sub and DS with Law might feel better.
gaunt phoenix
Did you see trickster tier on sub is like 30% dps
glass mortar
so idk if id call fatebound worse then those design wise
frail veldt
im excited for getting to do more TC work with solo and the gang
gaunt phoenix
absolutely wacko
random stirrup
now everyonie go around and say something theyre excited for next season
trickster tier for sub is giga
keen belfry
now everyonie go around and say something theyre excited for next season
i hope we have giga trinkets again
haste vers jewelry in rotation!
glass mortar
now everyonie go around and say something theyre excited for next season
looks like rogue might be bad enough i might just go on vacation for a season
👏
gaunt phoenix
its sub tier !
glass mortar
ah im pushing out my 16s and 17s to see how high io i can hit solo before next season
since law is at a peak rn tuning wise
gaunt phoenix
i want people to mald at sub being giga broken
glass mortar
feels like we are gunna end up way weaker next season then this one ngl
in m+ at least
glass mortar
would be a high bar for them to have us tuned this good again
frail veldt
I just dont wana play assa
keen belfry
i could raid as sub
gaunt phoenix
most likely yes
keen belfry
all i care about is m+
gaunt phoenix
this season was above average for the law
random stirrup
sub fun in raid, outlaw fun in keys 
covert kestrel
i should practice my sub opener again 
wintry solar
Gonna main tank next season
hallow spoke
What is sub looking op next season or
wintry solar
No more denied invites
gaunt phoenix
no current tuning is low overall
just funny that trickster tier is so strong for sub
covert kestrel
Gonna main tank next season
what tank
gaunt phoenix
comparatively
wintry solar
Bdk
grim spear
missing amirdrassil sub
mighty pivot
just ban brewmasters from your groups
wintry solar
We timed that bit h and everything
gaunt phoenix
Why is brew inting
quaint delta
it was a +5
wintry solar
now everyonie go around and say something theyre excited for next season
I can't wait for another season of not inviting mages
gaunt phoenix
mages and boomy instant declined
quaint delta
im excited for s3 to be as easy as s2
sudden fulcrum
not pressing starfall enough
valid kindle
they'll find new and exciting ways to bug dawnbreaker
like how feral's bite just doesn't work for 2/3rds of the dungeon on ptr, for some reason
gaunt phoenix
fierce mulch
like how feral's bite just doesn't work for 2/3rds of the dungeon on ptr, for so...
how is that even possible lmao
wintry solar
I gotta mourn the loss of supercharger HO so I gotta hit some FAT deathstrikes on my bdk to cope.
All will be right in the world
gaunt phoenix
they will bring ho back
wintry solar
It's the only time I get compliments :(
gaunt phoenix
ambush 120% chance
tulip quarry
Ho will survive the loss of the current set ?
wintry solar
Who's excited about the raid?
gaunt phoenix
currently it's a bit rough
frail veldt
Yeah rtb is in a weird place
balmy topaz
!up
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
and the coin is 20% of your dmg
glass mortar
thats not even counting how much of ur damage is amped by heads coineither
frail veldt
so dumb lol
glass mortar
i wonder how much of ur power fatebound is with the tier
gaunt phoenix
lets see
valid kindle
how is that even possible lmao
no idea, when bite turns into ravage from the hero talent it works fine, regular bite just doesn't from the first boss onwards
gaunt phoenix
it's not bad
glass mortar
i guess its closer to a 10% set bonus now then it was
stuck sparrow
fierce mulch
no idea, when bite turns into ravage from the hero talent it works fine, regular...
Damn
gaunt phoenix
fierce mulch
fatebound for m+ soon
gaunt phoenix
maybe
gaunt phoenix
no !
fierce mulch
they just have to rework fatebound, deathstalker and tricksters
gaunt phoenix
ye
late swallow
fatebound chads eating so good it's unreal
keen belfry
poopbound
late swallow
trickster chuds stay pissing their pants
frail veldt
fatebound is for betas who cant track unseen blade
late swallow
sudden fulcrum
do horrific visions. you buy them from the vendor in that area in Dornogal
sudden fulcrum
yes
balmy topaz
Ayy yo
wintry solar
Visions are fire
frail veldt
visions are dogshit
how did they think they could pass off doing the same quests over and over as content
with a timer
gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
like wtf
late swallow
when you're in a contrarian and semantics competition and your opponent is mewo
frail veldt
thats pretty strong
gaunt phoenix
oh i wrote RTB instead of PTR
late swallow
sudden fulcrum
well classic is very popular so there have to be some people out there that like recycled content
frail veldt
when you're in a contrarian and semantics competition and your opponent is mewo
undefeated
keen belfry
average fatebound player thinking his coin flips have any real implication and that its not just him choosing to kill u smh
frail veldt
well classic is very popular so there have to be some people out there that like...
yeah they have a whole different game for that
keen belfry
fatebound players are psychos.
frail veldt
keep it out of modern wow
sudden fulcrum
frail veldt
cant even do my rotation on the mobs
wintry solar
visions are dogshit
gaunt phoenix
fatebound players just want to be unbothered, playing their passive tree, same rotation as season 3 dragonflight, shitting out coins
frail veldt
I only hate the bad things
frail veldt
fatebound players just want to be unbothered, playing their passive tree, same r...
I think they should be honest about what they like
which is not having a hero tree
gaunt phoenix
oh we do have to play fucking 1FTH the entire tier again
red zinc
fatebound players just want to be unbothered, playing their passive tree, same r...
I just think nimble flurry should be implemented in base outlaw (60% base flurry) so fatebound isnt turbo behind always
its such a cringe node
frail veldt
oh we do have to play fucking 1FTH the entire tier again
LOOOOL
yeah I hate 1fth
lowkey
pls let me drop gs
fuck gs
all my homies hate gs
keen belfry
oh we do have to play fucking 1FTH the entire tier again
this does need addressing btw
imo
gaunt phoenix
its such a cringe node
ye
keen belfry
fth shouldnt even be a 2 pooint talent right?
red zinc
Your aoe just feels piss without nimble flurry
frail veldt
I just think nimble flurry should be implemented in base outlaw (60% base flurry...
yeah but also fatebound is cringe in m+
keen belfry
like its not a talent they designed to ever be used as 1 probs?
red zinc
Doesnt matter now
red zinc
Guaranteed proccing
frail veldt
it still matters
gaunt phoenix
Well the issue is precise cuts placement on the tree
frail veldt
it dropping is a HUGE dps loss still
gaunt phoenix
now that pc does infinite damage
wintry solar
Agreed
red zinc
Pc getting nerfed too
frail veldt
prob
wintry solar
-20% to bte
keen belfry
like its not a talent they designed to ever be used as 1 probs?
ive never thought of it this way till now, dont they normally fix stuff like this eventually? like just make it one point
red zinc
was only buffed because they didnt feel like it worked
frail veldt
doing more damage to the target you arent hitting is a lil silly
red zinc
like honestly
late swallow
i mean, there was that wowhead post about keeping hard/soft caps
because they want classes to have niches
I think PC is gonna be fine tbh
keen belfry
every group im in on FG we have to hard swap off the girl boss on duo because we are just destroying the 2nd target
covert kestrel
because they want classes to have niches
me when i want classes to have niches but i dont realize all of one my content is only about uncap aoe bang bang
wintry solar
A 3 way with yo momma
keen belfry
is this the first time in a long time we have a monopoly on sub 8 taget count pulls?
gaunt phoenix
Pc itself is fine
late swallow
i'm just glad they capped unholy
gaunt phoenix
just give it to outlaw baseline
late swallow
no king rules forever my son
tulip quarry
PC should be baseline with Dancingf steel
red zinc
is this the first time in a long time we have a monopoly on sub 8 taget count pu...
Brew does same damage on 3 targets as outlaw kappa
(30s burst)
keen belfry
i just hehe xd when i low roll first boss workshop/priory and still do 4mil
pc so op
covert kestrel
i'm just glad they capped unholy
next up make boomies have to pay 9.99 for each target they want to hit over 8
proven ocean
Pc doesn’t deserve to be baseline
gaunt phoenix
i like it as outlaw's thing
keen belfry
same
proven ocean
I don’t think it ever makes sense for something that powerful to be baseline
frail veldt
i like it as outlaw's thing
yeah fair
gaunt phoenix
well sure
frail veldt
it is its only niche
gaunt phoenix
make it a talent you cant skip
frail veldt
without PC were just a shit capped class that begs for OP tuning
proven ocean
Moving PC is fine yea
frail veldt
yeah pc should def be like almost baseline
red zinc
love when they move around brew talents every week because they are mildly inconvenienced by a placement
proven ocean
Baseline is a strong word mewo
red zinc
outlaw completely cucked meanwhile
gaunt phoenix
it is
frail veldt
Baseline is a strong word mewo
thats why I said almost haha
proven ocean
I think its fine with the live build, but im not enjoying it
red zinc
I don’t really care about it as much as other people
covert kestrel
love when they move around brew talents every week because they are mildly incon...
the last talent switch was just making a decent path into a mild inconvenience
red zinc
the thing I don’t get though
random stirrup
I like 1fth personally
keen belfry
i think 1fth is pretty criminal and im sure they never designed that talent thinking youd ever run 1fth
red zinc
If the only reason we ever use KS is trickster
frail veldt
I like 1fth personally
more than 2pt fth?
red zinc
Why isnt KS just the first node of trickster
wintry solar
I like 1fth
proven ocean
I hate that i can’t send fth sometimes due to rng and losing it is miserable, it giving low stacks isn’t fun to play with
random stirrup
more than 2pt fth?
ye i like pressing ps
red zinc
instead of a shitty point on our spec tree
random stirrup
rules are more lax for 1fth so you get to shoot more
gaunt phoenix
ya opportunity expiring blows
random stirrup
plus you store up to 3 uses instead of 2
red zinc
Like legit
just make nimble flurry into a baseline bf buff
Move unseen blade and everything else down one
Put ks as the first node of trickster
keen belfry
im actually surprised someone likes 1fth more than 2
red zinc
and the spec tree for trickster is also solved
keen belfry
idk how thats even possible
balmy topaz
Also why is every ring crap
red zinc
just craft
keen belfry
like guys
gaunt phoenix
how it be
red zinc
its doomed
keen belfry
1fth NEEDs broadside
keen belfry
i think thats cursed, needing BS
balmy topaz
Can you have 2 crafted rings
random stirrup
double ps from 1cp without broadside is a bit cursed ngl
gaunt phoenix
yes
balmy topaz
o
random stirrup
but otherwise i like blasting more
proven ocean
Im not a fan of fth generating low cp, i think the gameplay isn’t fun at all and adds difficulty with no flavor
keen belfry
double ps from 1cp without broadside is a bit cursed ngl
bruh ps into a builder during stealth windows alone makes 1fth worse than 2th by a mile IMO
random stirrup
just roll bs 
gaunt phoenix
Lowkey i dont like that someone with crafted gear in every slot is like 95% of the effectiveness of full M gear outlaw
proven ocean
just roll bs <:4Head:258390982612090881>
Thats the only place where it feels ok and not even the way i liek it
proven ocean
It should generate full cp, you feel like your sending something powerful
keen belfry
fth was not designed to ever be taken as 1fth and i think ill stand by that forever
proven ocean
And its only 1 gcd
normal mulch
what expansion did humans get a graphic update in
proven ocean
Idk why realz dislikes it
proven ocean
what expansion did humans get a graphic update in
?
frail veldt
it was a while ago
gaunt phoenix
idk
wintry solar
Wod I think
frail veldt
it was when they redid all the animations
proven ocean
No we had one recently
frail veldt
p sure
gaunt phoenix
great question
proven ocean
It was bfa i think
But
We only got new haircolors last expansion maybe
And new faces idk when maybe bfa or DF
wintry solar
Worgen was in bfa for sure
wintry solar
Idk why realz dislikes it
Realz dislikes fth?
balmy topaz
FTH feels clunky when it doesn't fill all your CPs
proven ocean
Actually was in SL (face customizations) that was the last major one
gaunt phoenix
Realz dislikes fth?
i think referring to the original S1 DF nerf
keen belfry
FTH feels clunky when it doesn't fill all your CPs
im ok not full filling cps, its when ps != finisher in stealth is when you lose me
craggy barn
going from 1fth to 2fth back to 1fth is a trip
wintry solar
going from 1fth to 2fth back to 1fth is a trip
Try going HO to 1fth lol
balmy topaz
I see arguments for both sides
craggy barn
curious, do any othe classes have a talent they put 1 pt in sometimes instead of 2
covert kestrel
curious, do any othe classes have a talent they put 1 pt in sometimes instead of...
brew has one that often only has one talent point, but its like a passive that there isn't a better option and isnt always taken, not anything thats nearly as impactful as fth
random stirrup
enh, spriest, sub all do from what ive played recently
keen belfry
curious, do any othe classes have a talent they put 1 pt in sometimes instead of...
1 point in elemental assault is why i didnt play enh at all this tier
EA/FTH feel like talents not designed to ever be 1/2
random stirrup
if you include class tree i think quite a few specs do
glass mortar
1 fth is an abomination
if we have a full season of it 
surely theyll save trickster
gaunt phoenix
trickster will do it too
glass mortar
sure but trickster can just play normal kir like on live
its not forced to take ghostly
gaunt phoenix
ye it can
keen belfry
ty creaky
frail veldt
Gsw is
that would be great
gs is just not a great feeling button
it generates more bad than good in terms of the rotation quality
due to the energy cost
so its just a net loss on gameplay
fierce mulch
Youre going to spam that shit next season with the new tier set
covert kestrel
but big boi
fierce mulch
bro your fomo aotc mount?!
wintry solar
I am at peace with the mo part
covert kestrel
bro your fomo aotc mount?!
just wait 6 weeks turn on one button rotation and slam your head on the keyboard and get aotc
wintry solar
but big boi
Elaborate
glass mortar
Elaborate
they datamined the last boss
its bigger then deathwing
(i doubt we fight that model tho)
timber knoll
hows outlaw looking on ptr guys
fierce mulch
they datamined the last boss
According to max you do but only p1
glass mortar
yea i could see a p1 of us stabbing at its toes or forehead before realizing we stand absolutely zero fuckin chance
then something needs to dues ex us or the actual fight is stopping it from coming through
covert kestrel
hows outlaw looking on ptr guys
yellow
wintry solar
Power of friendship must've gotten a buff then. Tf?
fierce mulch
yea i could see a p1 of us stabbing at its toes or forehead before realizing we ...
based on the dungeon jounral, you force him to go back inside the dark heart or something like that
fierce mulch
if we actually defeat that thing id be very dissapointed
he was a death animation in the ptr
has*
glass mortar
sure i imagine its identical to the voidwalker death animation
hes just a glittery VW at the end of the day
thats the base model
wintry solar
Idk man
glass mortar
but u can see the center is based on a voidwalker model
look at this
hes dropped out
wintry solar
You see one, you've seen them all
glass mortar
thats him relative to dal
glass mortar
i told u
u can see the core model skeleton
but hes dripped out af
looks very good
i mean we've known the voidwalkers are based appearence wise on the void lords, we've just never seen a full sized void lord
so they were gunna look somewhat similar
wintry solar
Maybe the cloak plays a part in the fight?
glass mortar
absolutely yea
wintry solar
I can't fathom how we fight it
glass mortar
we could literally swim inside this thing
i think a solid fight would be us initially fighting him as hes emerging, us realizing we dont stand any chance (we shouldnt) then us finding a way to stop him from getting all the way through
fierce mulch
we have to weaken his ass so xalnath can devour his essence
fierce mulch
she can use her essence to grow extra feet
proven ocean
I like to take my medicine 3 hrs before when my doctor tells me
To surprise my bacteria
sudden fulcrum
that'll show 'em
proven ocean
wintry solar
Bro /cast Ambush irl
vivid vessel
1 fth is an abomination
I think trickster plays way worse with 2 fth
But that's just cause trickster design is shit
Ass cock
glass mortar
i think whole spec plays worse with 1 fth
idk its just, if u dont have broadside it isnt fun
and if u do have it its barely different
stinky ah gameplay
glass mortar
it would be good
actually better then live
i think
if fth was perma capped at 1 stack
and we had 1 less cp
er
1 talent
and stacked up to 3 times
u know what i mean
vivid vessel
I also like the added gameplay with broadside
But
The spec feels terrible without broadside
And next tier is about to be
wintry solar
Is KS a part of the big dmg?
vivid vessel
Horrible
mighty pivot
the big damage is from PS with GSW
vivid vessel
But 1 fth is a by product of the horrible placement of pc which should be a baseline talent
- trickster being terrible to play
Cause it's all ss
When I don't wanna press SS
I wanna pistol shot
vivid vessel
Trickster with 2 fth feels like absolute dogshit
proven ocean
You very well know that any op talent cant be baseline
vivid vessel
Saying pc baseline is cooked
It's literally outlaw niche
vivid vessel
Baseline = one row above
proven ocean
You can move it sure, but baseline can’t work
vivid vessel
We have better talents that are one row alone lol
Baseline = one row alone
That's the same shit
Bro
Litteraly
proven ocean
I don’t think its the same thing
proven ocean
Thats because its necessary
vivid vessel
And dancing is basically baseline
Pc is outlaw niche
It's litteraly the only thing outlaw is good at
It's also absolutely not game breaking to move it up
proven ocean
Sure, i think outlaw is still good without pc btw
You just have bad bf bugged memories
Of it hitting dead mobs
vivid vessel
I don't
proven ocean
You do, you never played uncapped bf anyways
proven ocean
U only started wow in SL
vivid vessel
Ok
proven ocean
It felt good back then
I think it should have 2 options
Either pc or soft cap
Not true uncap
mighty pivot
y not make fth 1 talent point
because for some reason they made all second last row rogue spec talents 2 pointers. It has to be intentional
glass mortar
outlaws thing was always doing pretty good aoe with low ST tradeoffs because we were capped, PC is in opposition to that
it would be less offensive if PC wasnt directly competing with talents that are largely ST in value like ghostly
12% aoe talent vs 12% st talent
zzz
proven ocean
But the way blizzard is dealing with classes rn makes me wonder about the overall brain health of the dev’s because i dont think its functioning well
Its a very weird approach to cap dk even tho i hate dk myself
vivid vessel
Idk how you can talk about these type of talent things
When assa
Gets everything
For free
Their talents are so broken
You get funnel you get uncapped AOE you get st
proven ocean
What do i not understand
abstract frost
vivid vessel
Everything that is above the 3 down row
Is baseline
Because you can take all of them
proven ocean
U still lose dps if u pick it over something else but sure it’s a minor loss anyway
vivid vessel
It's baseline
proven ocean
<:concernedpopcorn:622840041118629929>
U wanna fight
Or
Popcorning everytime me and zac speak
Mortiz
?
vivid vessel
U still lose dps if u pick it over something else but sure it’s a minor loss any...
Not even remotely close to were it's at in the capstone rows rn
mighty pivot
it's happening early today
proven ocean
Not even remotely close to were it's at in the capstone rows rn
I mean im not online rn to check but it isn’t completely free, usually u have a point into loaded dice and the other one?
Forgot what the other one is for
But what free talent do we have to pay for
That your stating as “baseline”
glass mortar
if it was moved up we could take it for a tiny cost in comparison
prisma vessel
early show?
glass mortar
but yea baseline would be more like it was in a place that ur forced to path thru so u cant even trade it for something else
either way i think we all agree
with what they need to do with PC
proven ocean
Let me get my coffee first
proven ocean
I agree with you to
glass mortar
literally
proven ocean
Tho*
keen belfry
stuff like hit and run is "baseline" right?
proven ocean
I DIDNT SAY U SAID SOMETHING WRONG WERAN
vivid vessel
I mean im not online rn to check but it isn’t completely free, usually u have a ...
It is litteraly free ye
proven ocean
I DIDNT EVEN READ UR MSG OK
wintry solar
Delete pc so we don't have to worry about its placement at all 
glass mortar
which im always down for
covert kestrel
covert kestrel
Never gets old
brittle rune
https://i.namu.wiki/i/0uh92oJP01ig8qka5saEr23g-qTtYliMZ4q40w7nXbZBjEGYtmr5BySWo0...
Furries again
wintry solar
No
proven ocean
u sounded like u were gearing up to argue
Yea that was the point, i wanted to argue without arguing because i want to get coffee first to argue
Brb 10 mins
Show starts at 8:40pm my time
In13 mins
prisma vessel
that logic just fked my mind...
keen belfry
zeross is a gooner
proven ocean
?
keen belfry
my tiktok thinks im a gooner too
prisma vessel
yee
keen belfry
i was getting "best tik tok searches for true gooners" on my feed last night
mighty pivot
It is litteraly free ye
isn't it only free if it takes Triple Threat's place? Audacity cannot move from the left
covert kestrel
13 min goon sesh is wild work
shy pecan
Im so ready to react to some chat messages in 12 minutes 
proven ocean
Zeross is gone to goon first
Nope
brittle rune
We are all ready for the end of gooning session
keen belfry
zeross just doxed himself
keen belfry
he lives in an area that can get that coffee
brittle rune
I'd love to taste that coffee tho
vivid vessel
isn't it only free if it takes Triple Threat's place? Audacity cannot move from ...
We would remove the vers node rn
wintry solar
Ok. Keep bulying me, im a fking nobody its whatever i know im a fk up and i know everyone hate me in here. i try and bring hapiness but theres only so much a fking foxxo can do before he fking loses it and im close to fking losing it. Their is not anyone who like me here and no one had a crush on me when i ask last time and you would not understand how hard it is to live lonley sad and depressed like me so fk off dude reslly
mighty pivot
2/10
brittle rune
Fcking outlaw furry gooners are back again
glass mortar
shy pecan
Nice b8 m8, no h8 but i can't r8 this 8/8
mighty pivot
covert kestrel
Fcking outlaw furry gooners are back again
sharp hinge
https://tenor.com/view/tauren-female-casting-couch-casting-couch-gif-20211837
ah, the casting couch
mighty pivot
what spell is it casting
keen belfry
someone tell me the math of 11 failed SS in a row
sharp hinge
squirting
keen belfry
is it .65^11
glass mortar
all i can say about this convo is thank god som isnt here
shy pecan
@proven ocean Where are my comments that I can react to that you promised??
glass mortar
the convos already so bad the only way to stir the pot more would be to post outright porn and then solo would finally ban him
🫡
shy flume
How far behind ho is in keys ?
keen belfry
someone tell me the math of 11 failed SS in a row
@glass mortar delve you would know this
wintry solar
Som:
late swallow
solo is just looking for an excuse these days
glass mortar
How far behind ho is in keys ?
trickster ho is only a bit behind at higher target counts
late swallow
i don't think it's the same solo who came back btw
glass mortar
its fine overall
late swallow
i think it's an evil clone
glass mortar
....
late swallow
old solo was much kinder
glass mortar
solo was replaced by...