outlaw

[quaint mauve]

i’m also one 7 away from getting my 681 weapon

[wintry solar]

One 7?

[quaint mauve]

a 7 key

woops

i need 10 gilded

[sudden fulcrum]

a bountiful delve would likely also reward that

[quaint mauve]

i rather do a gajillion mythic 7s before 1 delve

[edgy phoenix]

delves

[sudden fulcrum]

i dunno i think they're easy

[quaint mauve]

they put me to sleep idk

[sudden fulcrum]

and they're guaranteed to give rewards, unlike keys where someone can just leave at any time

[edgy phoenix]

ye pumping in keys is keeping u awake

u have that adrenaline rush irl aswell

[quaint mauve]

exactly

[sudden fulcrum]

i'd definitely prefer to do keys, don't get me wrong, but i hate the uncertainty around getting return on investment

[edgy phoenix]

ye can suck but tbh do ppl even brick 7s atp

[quaint mauve]

first key i did was a 2 and we bricked….

[chilly atlas]

i dont think there are any in groupfinder for real

[edgy phoenix]

like recent?

[sudden fulcrum]

the higher up you go with keys the more likely they are to disband

[edgy phoenix]

[quaint mauve]

yes i started this character 3 days ago

(we had 2 brand new players)

[edgy phoenix]

ugh guess i was wrong then

new people can still struggle

btw is the toy from s1 still obtainable?

[quaint mauve]

man i couldn’t imagine being a new player

[sudden fulcrum]

can you even brick a 2? they cannot be depleted

[edgy phoenix]

the trinket one

[sudden fulcrum]

i guess you mean you didn't time it

[quaint mauve]

when i started this game was so hard to learn

[wintry solar]

they just collect pets and stuff

or pvp for some reason

[quaint mauve]

i was big into m+ when i started

5 years ago

during SL

[wintry solar]

miss her (SL)

great outlaw

[quaint mauve]

the dungeons were so good anyone who disagrees can argue with a wall

except spires

i hated that one

[wintry solar]

thats one of my favs

[edgy phoenix]

[quaint mauve]

and sanguine halls boss 2

[wintry solar]

plaguefall sucks

and dos

the rest were good

[quaint mauve]

but people in this game are usually so nice

[sudden fulcrum]

don't forget NW with the spears and if you messed up the spears you just deplete

[quaint mauve]

i played fury warr

[edgy phoenix]

are we playing the same game

[quaint mauve]

and i got so much help starting

[wintry solar]

if you deny SL Outlaw wasnt great you're a contrarian just to be different

[edgy phoenix]

tuning wise yes

but tbh rn feels way better

[wintry solar]

there were also build differences

nah

doesnt even hold a candle

[quaint mauve]

i only played warr in SL what was outlaw like

[edgy phoenix]

didnt we play mfd

in sl

xd

[wintry solar]

depends on your build

and cov

[quaint mauve]

warr was just spin spin spin

[wintry solar]

spin spin spin and then the 1mil executes

what was it called

the venthyr thing

[edgy phoenix]

condemn

[wintry solar]

yeahhh

[quaint mauve]

merciless bonegrinder

oh

no one played venth in keys tho

[edgy phoenix]

executing the boss for 55%

of hp

[quaint mauve]

it was fae

bleh

[wintry solar]

I liked fae warr

[quaint mauve]

was super fun

[wintry solar]

Ancient Aftershock was cool

[quaint mauve]

i loved covenants

[wintry solar]

my fav cov ability

[quaint mauve]

yall shoulda seen double necro warr in pvp

stacks to like 130% mastery

did so much dmg

one arms one fury

LOL

[wintry solar]

well leave it up to blizzard to have the perfect foundation for S tier content and not deliver on it

[quaint mauve]

covid kinda fucked things up imo

but yeah i’m sad with how SL went

bc i loved the m+

and it’s what hooked me into the game

[wintry solar]

also had the perfect adr uptime

but the spec also played more smoothly without it back then

[edgy phoenix]

tf pika playing league

[wintry solar]

is the delvers boujnty stilll active?

the buff isnt on my screen

[quaint mauve]

pika and xaryu both league streamers now lol

[edgy phoenix]

crazy timeline

im farming ethereal toy whole night

miserable

[fathom whale]

Pika’s audience grew from streaming other games and xar is trying to keep up 🥲

[craggy barn]

didnt xar also do a whole thing about how he doesnt like wow (retail at least) anymore

[frail veldt]

Yeah he kinda has hated on retail since lik DF

mid SL tbh

[craggy barn]

didnt he push keys last season too

[frail veldt]

last season idk

I know he did try like one season of keys but didnt like it afaik

[quaint mauve]

pvp gets no views

[lime lake]

wow gets no views

[frail veldt]

thats untrue

classic wow gets tons of views

usually the big wow "events" get good viewership

both in pve and pvp

awc and rwf both get pretty strong viewership

[tender wedge]

this upcoming delve trinket looks like it'll be pretty solid in keys

[frail veldt]

the unfortunate thing about retail wow

is its a very hard game to play and watch at the same time

I cant do m+ and watch m+

I cant be in an arena and watch someone else doing arena

unlike classic wow

where you can VERY easily play and watch

[craggy barn]

xar doesnt really like retail pvp, and classic pvp doesnt get views

[frail veldt]

games that can be played and watched at the same time are often the games that get the best viewership

[grim spear]

you can play delve and watch delve

or farm mount/pet/toy

[zenith shore]

yo noob question do we want cudgel for first boss dfc? or is it just irrelevant dmg

[craggy barn]

its good on that boss specifically

lots of adds trickling in that u get value off of with cudgel

[hollow temple]

Ye I think that’s the problem, only the big events really bring decent viewership these days

Even osrs has been doing better than wow viewership now I think

Like 300k+ on events and better during average “lulls” too it’s kinda crazy

[rough crest]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[tender wedge]

That’s mostly attached to the streamers though at the moment

[hollow temple]

Naw I mean even before soda and guzu etc

[tender wedge]

A bunch of huge names picking it up

Last few times I sorted by game wow was on top, before this osrs trend

But that could be coincidental

[hollow temple]

Half of the osrs views are on other sites as well so that makes sense ye

a lot of the ppl that stream it stream on at least 2 platforms, some only kick, etc

[timid portal]

@vivid vessel how do u like the new trinkets so far on ptr?

[grim spear]

WoW is pretty fun to play, but it's not very entertaining to watch.
Not every game is made for streaming, and that's totally fine.

[hexed whale]

does some has a tricks buff reminder wa? I always forget after me or tank dies to reapply 😄

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple

94 magic time for bed

[hollow temple]

[hollow temple]

[proven ocean]

[proven ocean]

Surely i dont go for 99

?

I honestly might, doing that shit while watching tv show is legit 0 effort

Finished s2 squid game and half of s3 doing it

[hollow temple]

nah, don't

you'll 100% get the rest passively from slayer

[hollow temple]

you can afk some range with venator bow in NMZ

[wintry solar]

I had a cook but I burnt it as I was typing

you hate to see it

[proven ocean]

What makes venator bow special there?

[hollow temple]

it cleaves

[proven ocean]

What arrows ig amethyst?

Or

[hollow temple]

yh

[proven ocean]

Which type

Or

Cuz idk i always used pipe

[hollow temple]

just reg amethyst arrows

[proven ocean]

And dhcb

O ok

[hollow temple]

and charge the bow with the stuff

ancient essence iirc

[proven ocean]

Ya

Might actually do that

Im glad i got iced barrage out the way tho

Always wanted to use it since i was younger, felt super cool in private servers

[hollow temple]

[sterile forum]

I was testing a little bit the new KS and feel so nice to move the char while we cast it

[vivid vessel]

I don't kekw

Doesn't feel like there is any good outlaw trinket next tier

[covert kestrel]

Delve trinket gamerinos

[leaden folio]

delve trinket always goat

[wintry solar]

lets get a bis delve trinket and not get it nerfed

[compact saddle]

When can make [UHUH] and [Crackshot] not associated with Stealth?

[compact saddle]

11.2 or 12.0?

[vivid vessel]

13.0 I heard

[ripe ibex]

what’s wrong with it being associated with stealth

[compact saddle]

hard to say in english.
about not comfortable

[compact saddle]

need great zac feedback to dev team.

[hollow temple]

17.3.5 take it or leave it

[rigid basin]

World of Warcraft 2

[compact saddle]

Do many people like [UHUH] and [Crackshot] associated with stealth?

[hollow temple]

This guys going places

[thorny frigate]

yeah to the new world we will travel to after the last titan in wow2

[rigid basin]

UHUH specifically was a huge quality of life improvement as being able to extend AR feels rather good

[hollow temple]

[rigid basin]

As for crackshot, if it wasn't tied to a window there would be very little dynamic to the play style since we just be hitting BtE all the time. (As much as I like GUN) I don't wanna be doing the same thing all the time

[compact saddle]

about extend AR, it have the better find other way to extend.

[rigid basin]

Sure, but changing that would make crackshot windows wierd. Since, having Subterfuge extend AR means you always have it for the full window you are blasting. Having it be extended by something else would make the entire gameplay loop more cumbersome

Cuz it be another plate to spin

Having stealth manage crackshot and ADR keeps it tidy imo

[compact saddle]

[Crackshot] can change to other effect, keep it benefit like before.

[rigid basin]

Let's just say you move it to an ability that is the same thing, except it's not stealth, now you lose value between packs since ADR ticks down.

Part of the reason Outlaw feels good right now imo is almost always having ADR rolling. Moving UHUH and Crackshot to some other button would probably just feel worse. Maybe not in raid, but definitely in M+ and World content

[lilac jungle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rigid basin]

Frankly if you wanted to not have the spec tied to Stealth windows would prolly have to rework a lot, and generally speaking most players (that I've interacted with) seem to like outlaw current (minus KS)

[normal forge]

i feel outlaw is pretty solid, minus ks

[solar hazel]

can someone explain why in aoe out of subterfuge you want to only use between the eyes when the crit buff is running out? is it just more damage with dispatch?

atleast according to wowhead

[indigo shell]

Additional Rules — :bte: Between the Eyes
In the simple rotation, all builds use :bte: BtE on cooldown, but :fatebound: Fatebound builds can optimize this a bit further and only use :bte: BtE outside of stealth if :rtb_rp: Ruthless Precision is active OR just to maintain the crit buff :bte: BtE provides. Note that this does not make a noticeable difference for :trickster: Trickster builds.

Why?
:bte: BtE does significantly more damage during :rtb_rp: Ruthless Precision than without it.
:fatebound: Fatebound has :fatebound_meanstreak: Mean Streak and :fatebound_fateintertwined: Fate Intertwined which affects the value of an out-of-stealth :dispatch: Dispatch.
:dispatch: Summarily Dispatched, Count the Odds, and the new tier set similarly contribute to the value of :dispatch: Dispatch casts.

By extension of this rule, using :vanish: Vanish while :bte: BtE is on cooldown will tend to also mean more :vanish: Vanish cases are aligned with :rtb_rp: Ruthless Precision being active.

(edited because copy/pasted wrong originally)

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[solar hazel]

on trickster too?

thank you

[ember topaz]

Hello, why does my tricks not last for an hour as the hero talent says

[indigo shell]

Did you die ?

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[vivid vessel]

hit something to activate it

[solar hazel]

if you pressed while tank is mounted it won't work either

[indigo shell]

it does. when you press tricks you get a 30s buff and if you attack within those 30s, your first attack will apply a new buff that lasts 1h (normally the second buff lasts 6s*)

if you die it resets

if the tank dies, I think it still stays

[ember topaz]

Ohhhhh is that how it works? lol

Thats so dumb

[red zinc]

not really

just a consequence of tricks / misdirect being a pain to use if it wasnt a pre-trigger

without the 1h part

[viscid perch]

does the new ks affected by lethality and surprising strikes for extra crit dmg?

[vivid vessel]

jno

[mighty pivot]

this is a single target proc and even at its 4 ppm it would require pretty degenerate gameplay to get buff procs (switch to low hp targets on a spec that has 0 execute damage)

[vivid vessel]

never will be

[mighty pivot]

im sure they will clarify it in the tooltip that it doesn't affect KS

[rigid basin]

Surely

[winter nacelle]

anyone have thoughts on how outlaw feels atm next season?

[stuck lion]

can we no longer weapon swap in dungeons?

[mighty pivot]

you can. are you using gallywix's iron thumb? Some weapos are restricted from swapping

[stuck lion]

I was yeah

didn't know it was restricted damn

so what's the bis play then, run thumb in mainhand all the time and capo's in offhand or just capo's mainhand plus crowd favorite on ST

[shadow elbow]

"Help guys my macro isnt working" i hear midkey

[mighty pivot]

are they all equal ilvl? if yes then you capo MH and swap CF or cudgel as OH. If not you always use the highest ilvl as MH

nice article, wowhead

[quick ravine]

Idk if this matters but would it be stupid to rock 2 crafted embellished weaps if I can?

[vivid vessel]

crafted weapon is lower ilvl than a mythic weapon

so for main hand its not ideal

[mighty pivot]

and for OH capo's heroic will be better for bosses and cudgel is better for trash

so at most you'd craft a MH if you don't have myth track weapon

[worldly shale]

i have to use vpn for it anyways, shitheads blocked some countries

mine included

[mighty pivot]

Was not aware of that. I see it had to do with legal reasons

[vivid vessel]

did you see

they gave a trinket the real reworked killing spree

hm

wait i cant copy

[worldly shale]

The reason they had was that it was too expensive to maintain those servers, no idea how that would be the case XD

[vivid vessel]

@mighty pivot here

trinkets are getting better animations than rogue

[mighty pivot]

lol, lmao even

you know I wonder if that's purely visual or whether it will bug with some bosses

[vivid vessel]

its never just visual in wow

idk why

like they always spawn a pet

or have real projectiles

or whatever

honestly it confuses me

cause idk what the added value is

for things to be "real""

when it can just do damage on press or after a delay

and have a visual

which is just a visual

not a freaking pnj with physics and colisions and fucking health

and whatever the fuck they always do

[mighty pivot]

yeah dunno if it's engine limitation or just easier for designers to implement

it's so often problematic when they implement it this way that you'd think they would find another way by now

[azure vortex]

I managed to send geargrinders below knocked up mobs and ninjapulled the next pack once

[mighty pivot]

[gilded tinsel]

This is what Sectech should have been

[spring vessel]

It looks like a slowed-down blade dance (the dh ability) with some more particle effects dumped on top of it

[mighty pivot]

it is a slightly slower BD yeah

[fluid iron]

thats how sectech shouldve looked ngl

[vivid vessel]

nope

you get no visuals

visuals for random trinkets that last half a season instead

[rotund depot]

Void-Reapers 2.0

[mighty pivot]

why did they even nerf the previous sectec visual?

[sudden fulcrum]

killing spree should just be zac's avatar running around and beating enemies with baguettes

[rotund depot]

They were afraid it would look too cool and more attention would have to be paid to sub and they can’t have that

[mighty pivot]

can't have more than 50 active sub players

[rotund depot]

Pretty sure that’s on a banner that spans the entire blizz office

[sudden fulcrum]

well yeah you can't call it a secret technique if everybody knows it

[rotund depot]

So secret the shadow clones don’t even know about it so they don’t show up

[mighty pivot]

then it should have no visuals at all

[rotund depot]

Just lil purple poofs instead

[mighty pivot]

why the purple farts?

[wintry solar]

I too don't want any animations and want some random entity to spawn and do it for me

[rotund depot]

And also have it fuck up logs

[wintry solar]

I wish every time I pistol shot, it spawned a ghost to do it for me

[mighty pivot]

killing spree should spawn a firing squad of pirate bros to blast your target

[wintry solar]

[subtle field]

would you rather have a supercharged ks or bte?

[glass mortar]

doesnt matter

[wintry solar]

Bte doesn't kill me

And generates better ace proc chances

So if I had to pick

[keen belfry]

i personally never sc a KS

even if it means letting your buffs fall of during the channel

unless super safe spot

[open meadow]

If im at 3 stacks of EB should i hold out for the 4th and coup before going into vanish?? Or just go straight into vanish?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have a guaranteed unseen blade proc then you can wait, though it's not exactly a hard rule

u dont want to wait so long that KS cooldown becomes low enough that you end up having to wait for KS instead

[open meadow]

any the only guaranteed unseen blade proc comes from KS right? Or are there others?

[gaunt phoenix]

either from KS or the 20 second timer fully counts down without resetting, which is fairly rare

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

The tracker shows it

[open meadow]

How accurate is it?

[gaunt phoenix]

it does exactly as it should

it's not predicting the future/trying to estimate a proc chance

[late swallow]

Hey solo can I ask you a quick question

[gaunt phoenix]

It just shows you if you went 20s without a proc, then the next proc is certainly guaranteed

No

[open meadow]

Oh nice, just with not having a buff to track i didnt know if there was guesswork. All good cheers 🙂

[late swallow]

It’s an outlaw related question

[gaunt phoenix]

just type it

[late swallow]

I don’t actually know what the question is yet, but it’ll come to me

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[keen condor]

!predungeon

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel did you play sin s1 cause outlaw tuning or because you needed aug or both

trying to gauge your rerollyness

[bright lodge]

Do we prioritize pot on good rolls or just lusts?

[vivid vessel]

because i played with people that were rerollers and i didnt have a choice

[keen belfry]

yeah well aug was kinda mandatory still right?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[keen belfry]

and aug + outlaw = -1 key level atleast

for timer

[light dune]

ks is broken on fatebound on PTR right? The coin that spawns from KS cancels KS?
What'd be the talent you pick up instead? HH/Blinding Powder and drop stam?

[covert heart]

I had a question is the dps difference between the 2 builds still about the same. Or with gear now keep it rolling is alot better? This is for mplus

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps this or heavy hitter

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR is better at higher target counts by like 6% or something

it's also more consistent (in aoe)

but it's harder to play

[covert heart]

I have the haste for it. I prob should just keep practicing it to get better

[gaunt phoenix]

It's kind of in a good spot where it rewards good gameplay but is not oppressively strong

I dont play it personally atm

But unless they tune HO for season 3, KIR will very much be the goto for season 3

so practice is good

[covert heart]

Its hard because it gets frustrating sometimes to play kir haha. But outlaw in general I prob just need to keep practicing. I press my buttons right for the most part is my decision on the vanishes and ar that needs work

Like situational awareness I should say

[west ridge]

im pretty sure its mathematically proven that being with an aug as outlaw makes you do less damage

[glass mortar]

only in that ur whole party will be doing less raw dps so bosses will last longer and lower ur overall

outlaw doesnt gain as much as many specs from aug, its not like it reduces ur dps tho

[west ridge]

DID I STUTTER

[glass mortar]

i wonder if we have any broken hooks this expac

alot of hero talent % damage stuff doesnt hook right with aug again i know since the start of the expac

[gaunt phoenix]

The fatebound thing that copies dispatch damage doesn't hook correctly iirc

[glass mortar]

makes sense

[mild vigil]

surely next build has massive HO tuning

[upbeat tundra]

what's the m+ build on ptr atm

just regular ol kir trickster?

[gaunt phoenix]

same kir but loaded dice instead of sleight

[upbeat tundra]

boring

[mild vigil]

like don't get me wrong, I love KiR, but I enjoy getting to turn my brain off for HO

[upbeat tundra]

theres no way we are sending a full cp ks right

im not waiting 3 seconds to play the game i refuse

[mild vigil]

cancel early

[gaunt phoenix]

you do but you cancel it with bte/dispatch

when it generates you to 7cp

[upbeat tundra]

gotcha

[mild vigil]

do you need to use a cancelaura macro or just pressing the button ends the channel

[gaunt phoenix]

just press it

[mild vigil]

sweet

[upbeat tundra]

first they timegate the content, then they timegate the content within the content, now my rotation is timegated

[upbeat tundra]

then we have to wait in lfg to play the game

i think blizzard hates when you're playing the game

they dont want you to hit your buttons at all costs

[mild vigil]

I mean new KS is gonna feel awkward at first, but it's a damn sight better than old KS

[upbeat tundra]

ok but its still dogshit

[vivid vessel]

me when blizzard feeds me a rotten hamburger after feeding me litteral poop for an entire tier

[upbeat tundra]

real

@vivid vessel im doign the same damage as on live is this normal

less even

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel im doing more dmg on ptr

op or???

[mighty pivot]

it's that time of the day boys

[keen condor]

For mainly m+ what do I spend my dinars on guys

I'm gnna have accesss to all mythic

Mostly unsure about trinekts. I know I have to buy capo

[sudden fulcrum]

droptimizer has a category for dinar

[keen condor]

Doesn't sim combinations:)

[sudden fulcrum]

top gear can

[keen condor]

OK, how do you value dslice vs st then :)))

[sudden fulcrum]

what's with the smileys? i'm not trying to give you a hard time

if you don't want to sim go on wowhead and equip what it says is bis

[radiant vessel]

!logs

[upbeat tundra]

whats the secret

[craggy barn]

good coffee

[tender wedge]

just sat down with my morning coffee, maybe its ptr time

[craggy barn]

today is the day i kill m gally

we didnt play yesterday because freedom, and we've only seen p2 like twice and havent gotten to the tank warrior leap bomb yet

[verbal pike]

Good luck, you got this!

[stuck sparrow]

Just sim st, you picked the wrong spec if you wanted to do overall.

or run multiple sims

[covert kestrel]

Upgrade your gamer chair

[haughty wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352795177001029654/1367948083840942150/honkhonk.gif

make outlaw into clown spec pls

https://tenor.com/view/pheezy-dancing-clown-pennywise-dougie-gif-16117250784060981534

[wintry solar]

Have you seen the takes here?

We already are

I kid, I love you all.

Some more than others though

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-who-are-you-kazoo-kid-funny-gif-16933963

[wintry solar]

Wow

So rood

Ninjarobot wouldn't do this to me

[red zinc]

What

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-cant-sleep-gif-22731051

[red zinc]

Wdym overall

[wintry solar]

What expac was double blade flurry?

Bfa?

[cinder relic]

You mean charges?

[stuck sparrow]

simming dslice is stupid

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[jolly geyser]

no thats xiani

smh my head

[red zinc]

Oh xiani

[quaint mauve]

do i need to actually press slice n dice

it activates from KS no?

[red zinc]

tony snell numbers when it comes to good takes

[red zinc]

Activates from dispatch

Dont need it on your bar

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[quaint mauve]

i knew it was something :p

[wintry solar]

Idk why I said double blade flurry

[stuck sparrow]

toggle in bfa

[quaint mauve]

man this spec ACTUALLY has like no buttons

my action bars feel so empty

[stuck sparrow]

no class does

except shaman maybe

[quaint mauve]

not even like rotational buttons but like buttons in general, i got pick lock on my bars and im not fillin up 😭

[cinder relic]

Charges was bfa and sl

[stuck sparrow]

shaman has alot of 1 pt niche talents

[cinder relic]

P sure bfa wasn't a toggle

Legion was a toggle

[wintry solar]

Bfa you could bf in stealth right?

[cinder relic]

I think so?

It used to be off the gcd IIRC

Then it got cost damage, and a gcd in sl

[stuck sparrow]

whenever they added initial damage

to bf

[wintry solar]

Bfa you could bf in stealth right?

[lime lake]

I think so?

It used to be off the gcd IIRC

Then it got cost damage, and a gcd in sl

[wintry solar]

Ask because I found this ui

And the 2 on the bf threw me off

Forgot about that

And then 5cp

Good times

[balmy spade]

does one of you boys have the new killing spree icon as an jpg?

[stuck patrol]

I kind of miss marked for death

It was fun when I was able to use it back to back, esp when in world content

[spring vessel]

here's .png

you'll have to trim it a little better

[tender wedge]

if i had a dollar...

[stuck patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-gun-gif-18023944

Just reminds me of this

[left onyx]

Guys at what ilvl should I replace my Cudgel? I'm 681 ilvl with crafted MH and have 684 dagger as an option for OH

[long barn]

S3

[red zinc]

for aoe its bis

[left onyx]

okay that's good to know. I only play m+ so I'll happily keep it

ty 🙂

[long barn]

Swap for a 684 weapon on bosses with macro in dungeons.

Don’t use cudgel in raid unless it’s trash pulls.

[red zinc]

people use weapon swapping macros for bosses, if you dont feel like doing it id just use the dagger as offhand all the time

the loss from not weapon swapping on bosses is about equal to what you'd gain on aoe so

[left onyx]

I have a macro for it, but often forget tbh

[red zinc]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[red zinc]

oh its not in there

[long barn]

There’s an WA for that

[red zinc]

uh

[long barn]

It’s on Elvis profile on WA

Timmy if your thinking the one I am

[left onyx]

yeah would be awesome with some sort of WA reminder. Right now macro is just bound to F8

[red zinc]

ye

[long barn]

Go to one of Elvis’s WA, then click his profile

[left onyx]

Tomelevis I assume?

[long barn]

You will find all his WA

Yes

There is one that shows your current offhand

[left onyx]

alright I'll check it out then, thanks for helping me out guys, I appreciate it 🙂

[long barn]

Nppp

Also

If you wanna be giga min max

[red zinc]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[long barn]

I swap on KS on the 3rd tic on bosses

So boss first starts, I wait for the first KS, while I’m bouncing around. 3rd teleport, I hit macro button.

Then I macro back after boss dead for trash

[left onyx]

well I don't mind the giga minmax scenario. Tbh though I think I'm way behind on my WA packagae/game so I'll need a whole other sort of setup, way mor pro for it ot make sense

I'm such casual 😛

[long barn]

Avoids a GCD, and helps if I forget

So if you ever forget, just do it during killing spree at the very end

[left onyx]

the macro that I got - does it auto understand when it's boss time?

@timmy I mean the one you linked. Will it tell me whenever a boos is engaged or is it just a simple constant reminder that's visible?

[red zinc]

just constant afaik

goes away during combat

[left onyx]

alrighty, ty 🙂

[keen belfry]

patch notes when guys

ks becoming more lit when guys

[lime lake]

last tick of ks now hits for 500% damage

[wintry solar]

Solves the early canceling

[mighty pivot]

there is an easier solution

if you cancel KS you die

(in game)

[lime lake]

irl

oh

[mighty pivot]

that would cost a sub

[lime lake]

true

[solar hazel]

can you cancel killing spree?

like pressing away a buff

cancel aura

i can try ig

[mighty pivot]

not on live, but you can on PTR

[solar hazel]

ah yes ty gemini

[mighty pivot]

AI is ready to replace humans

[solar hazel]

is the new ks looking hot on ptr? or is it a downgrade?

[tender wedge]

they fixed the worst part of it on live (ie the uncontrollable teleport), and then made it worse on ptr by making it last longer and give combo points which get wasted if you don't cancel channel early

so i would say it's neither looking hot nor a downgrade lol

classic blizzard work tbh, "here we've fixed this single glaring issue but we've ALSO done a bunch of other shit"

[mighty pivot]

the tl;dr is that it's better but almost anything would've been better

they have like 5 weeks to make more changes to it though

[solar hazel]

why is HO so boring to play

compared to kir

[tender wedge]

higher highs

with KiR

[solar hazel]

yeah it just feels better to create the buffs

then to mindlessly reroll

[tender wedge]

HO super easy tho and less haste requirement so its a far better entry point

[hybrid crown]

When trash packs are dying fast do you ever feel like KIR is wasted

[tender wedge]

im confident it'll get changed again since we know blizz dont like cancelling channels but not suyre how high a prio it'll be

[tender wedge]

good tanks are quick between packs so ideally no

but thats not an issue unique to outlaw

[mighty pivot]

they will definitely improve KS. Whether it will end up being something we're fully happy with that's another question

[hybrid crown]

I enjoy KIR in raid

[tender wedge]

enhance loses tempest procs etc

[hybrid crown]

I enjoy HO more in keys but I don't do anything above like 13

[tender wedge]

fairly polarising ability so i doubt we'll be fully happy

[hybrid crown]

I think if I ever did the competitive key thing like pushing higher than 3k io I'd consider it

[tender wedge]

the wisdom is that KiR has a higher aoe cap

as in it can do more aoe damage

by a wee bit

[solar hazel]

to me it just feels like my rolls are almost always consistent on kir compared to HO

and if tank doesn't pull quick enough just pull for him 🙂

[tender wedge]

you can also take GS, PC and CTO all together with kir build

[solar hazel]

yeah thats the good one

[tender wedge]

whereas HO has to drop 1

[frail veldt]

Well KiR drops a point in fth

I think HO without gs plays a lot better than KiR with 1pt fth in st

Honestly HO non GS is a very very palatable version of outlaw

Even if you get bad rolls you aren't like afking your rotation

[tender wedge]

thats definitely the best place to start

[keen belfry]

troxpuss

wrong chat

[frail veldt]

1pt fth KiR will genuinely just suffer in st if you don't do your rotation very well and get a couple bad rolls in a row

[keen belfry]

sorry guys

[mighty pivot]

very few times are there gaps

so it sucks that it's so far behind on ptr rn

[tender wedge]

we'll see what happens when the dust settles

[quaint mauve]

man i never know when to press KS

it fucks me so often

[keen belfry]

on cd lil bro

[quaint mauve]

i get that

[keen belfry]

you must int

to learn

[quaint mauve]

i just got hit by fucking bront charge mid KS

[quaint mauve]

preach brother

[mighty pivot]

you press and if you die you blame the spell. it's a get out of jail free card

[quaint mauve]

i already do dw

[keen belfry]

listening to tswift rn

playing keys

[wintry solar]

Why?

Pride month is over

[keen belfry]

westside gunn isnt hitting rn

DO DO DO DO DO DO DO
AYO AYO

https://tenor.com/view/westside-gunn-boom-gif-23299861

[mighty pivot]

it's pride month every month

[wintry solar]

No

[keen belfry]

😮

[median lance]

https://tenor.com/view/tariffs-trump-trump-chaos-not-gonna-end-well-trump-speech-gif-9375631191405003702

[quaint mauve]

in my ear as i die to another boss frontal during KS

[keen belfry]

looks like gooner music

[median lance]

You shouldnt play outlaw. Real outlaw players only listen to the pirates of the carribean soundtrack

[quaint mauve]

oh brother

i just listen to edm when i play

[median lance]

slap this on and your dps goes Pink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdB13lFexNk

[keen belfry]

i soimetimes blast edm but its not like this edm

[quaint mauve]

i like the bass drums to obliterate my ears

[keen belfry]

idk what type of edm this is but i like this kind when i listen to it (i rarely listen to electronic music) https://open.spotify.com/track/6DJV0w34C2GAuKQqXzfHfy?si=8d1a72806b004749

BABY WHEN YOU WANT ME LOVE ME TAKE ME WHERE YOU LOVE

[mighty pivot]

a 10 hour loop of caramelldansen is enough

[quaint mauve]

it almost sounds like house to me

uptempo house idk

[hardy vault]

its in my liquid dnb playlist

so i guess that

[keen belfry]

liquid dnb

what do that even mean

but i get it

u could pour this music into a bowl

[quaint mauve]

https://on.soundcloud.com/43gSz7mPcpGPc8DgoY

[hardy vault]

it's a more mellow subgenre of drum and base thats less about the extreme breakbeat breakdowns and more about atmosphere imo

[quaint mauve]

i like this

[keen belfry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6F2JQL8ik5Df4ovnlBvyb5?si=f5e2c505d05b451a

[hardy vault]

yeah i do enjoy my liquid dnb too during raid hours

[frail veldt]

All you have to do is be able to see 2.6ish seconds into the future

[hardy vault]

usually a metalcore/deathcore guy

[frail veldt]

That's a good one it's on my gym dnb playlist

Love liquid dnb

[hardy vault]

just cannot get screamed at during raid

[keen belfry]

this is the electronic music i like

[frail veldt]

Been getting more into jungle ish beats lately

[hardy vault]

that's my raidlead's job

[keen belfry]

mewo do you know westside gunn

[hardy vault]

[frail veldt]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7B0gxo0jQCy5Lk93RIODAC?si=flQ9WrcBTMmDBF9nLuNZtQ

[frail veldt]

No who dat

[autumn geyser]

Hi all, i imported this aura https://wago.io/XtiY4gVuM but its not like the image of wago

[keen belfry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4mlP10ICLhXt2QmUf0GkpB?si=8da283aec2414670 listen

[hardy vault]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5ABMzUESx7K7EyowE5kFCl?si=568292292bac4b9a

[keen belfry]

if you like stupid ass lyrics over elegeant music

[hardy vault]

good starter playlist for that music awang

[keen belfry]

ty

[gaunt phoenix]

on topic

[keen belfry]

UKF

i havent heard UKF since

i edited mw2 motnages

montages

[hardy vault]

haha

[frail veldt]

Lolol

[keen belfry]

i torrented sony vegas and adobe after effects

nbd

[quaint mauve]

you’re asking a lot

of me

[frail veldt]

It's okay you won't have to do this for much longer

[keen belfry]

time to see if OBS is making me lag

[frail veldt]

Honestly KS raises what was already a hard spec to a VERY hard spec

KS is arguably one of the hardest things about outlaw

[hardy vault]

tbh, just look at ur bigwigs bars and if theres nothing happening for like 4-5s you're gucci

[frail veldt]

Esp in high keys

[keen belfry]

how can i make obs not lag me @frail veldt

i feel like mewo knows

[frail veldt]

Idk tbh

Lower it's capture rate prob

Don't have it up on your second monitor either

Make sure it's minimized

Unless you have the setting that turns off he capture preview when you aren't on that window

[nimble sage]

Having stealthed between packs is it correct to open with BTE with enough cp?

Like is the opener always either ambush or bte? What if BF ran out, in that case so we open with that?

[craggy barn]

bte if u can

finisher rules

[gaunt phoenix]

you either have to build cps or you dont

Builders have a certain priority based on your build

[nimble sage]

And what if blade flurry expired?

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry is a cooldown, which has higher priority than builders/finishers

so you would use it if it fell off

[nimble sage]

So then I would open stealth with BF?

[tender wedge]

ideally you hit BF and go into stealth just before hitting the pack

[gaunt phoenix]

yes or you can bf before the pull and restealth

[nimble sage]

Right we only care about the BF buff and not the damage from the cast?

[tender wedge]

and the CP gen if playing deft in the KiR build

[gaunt phoenix]

for the KIR build, bf builds combo points in aoe

and it has priority as a cp builder

[nimble sage]

I don’t do kir

HO trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

the HO build just has to maintain bf

[nimble sage]

Ok so at the start of a m+ is the move to BF, stealth, ADR -> continue rotation?

I mean having pre casted bf going into stealth and popping ADR (whenever?) before opening up from stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

yep rtb bf stealth adr

open with bte

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[nimble sage]

This is super good!

[frail veldt]

Bf shouldn't run out while in stealth but if you're playing ho and you see bf low you can refresh it before going into stealth after the pack dies

Tbh it's annoying that bf isn't technically infinite

I think it's only 15 minutes

Cuz of blizzards hacky implementation of UHUH

"doesn't lose duration" my ass

[jovial dome]

Hopefully they're cleaning up that shitty code with everything else they seem to be recodiing

[nimble sage]

Yeah sometimes it ends and there’s one big mob left, at that point I don’t focus on refreshing it but then I should probably BF before stealthing going to the next pack

[frail veldt]

You should immediately refresh it if there's any more than 1 mob

[nimble sage]

Sure but if there’s just 1 mob

[frail veldt]

1gcd is always worth any amount of cleave

Yeah sure

[nimble sage]

BF does nothing on ST, correct?

[frail veldt]

Correct

[nimble sage]

Big thanks

[quaint mauve]

is it always best to ar pre pull into bte if your going from one pack to another with no points?

[gaunt phoenix]

what's the alternative?

ya you ar bte

[quaint mauve]

wellll….

whatever i was doing ig

[dull geyser]

do we sim 1T and 5T?

[frail veldt]

no reason to ahve adr sitting off cd

unless youre already at max cps

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly 1t and dslice

[quaint mauve]

do i just send everything on cd

[frail veldt]

no

theres some rules

[quaint mauve]

guh

[frail veldt]

but in general as outlaw you rarely hold cds

but for example you dont vanish on cd

you only vanish if KS is >30s cd, and you have 5/6cps

[quaint mauve]

why >30 exactly

[frail veldt]

also you hold vanish if you have 3 stacks of escalating blade and have a unseen blade proc ready

[frail veldt]

cuz that gave us the most dps in the sim

its flexible

20-30s

[quaint mauve]

ah okok

[frail veldt]

arguably you can optimize it based on what buffs you have etc

the main reasoning for that is you dont want to waste a bunch of cdr on KS

cuz you shouldnt ever KS during crackshot

so if KS comes off cd in the first gcd of crackshot after a vanish

[quaint mauve]

yeah usually i send it if i have the combo points and bte is above like 20s

[frail veldt]

then youre wasting a lot of KS cdr

[frail veldt]

bte cd is irrelevant rn

it doesnt influence any part of our rotation unless youre playing fatebound kir

for example just because vanish resets bte cd, you would still vanish if the other conditions are met even though bte is already off cd

so youre technically "wasting" the reset but bte outside of stealth is such a minor part of our damage it doesnt matter

[quaint mauve]

okok

i kinda hate how blade flurry pops up on details

[frail veldt]

same

[quaint mauve]

it’s so stupid

[frail veldt]

Yeah its just a consequence of how the combat log labels damage from flurry

it doesnt record the source

so a flurry from ambush and a flurry from bte both are labeled bladeflurry

details legit cant overcome that

[quaint mauve]

so is it the same in warcraft logs?

[frail veldt]

it would take blizzard redesigning how bladeflurry works

[frail veldt]

yep

[quaint mauve]

darn

[solar hazel]

is it worth to make mouseover macros for all melee abilities?

[frail veldt]

not all

[solar hazel]

like killing spree

[frail veldt]

I use them for bte

[quaint mauve]

WOW i didn’t even think of this

[frail veldt]

definitely not killing spree

[solar hazel]

bte

[frail veldt]

you only really need it for bte

[solar hazel]

okay

[glass mortar]

i have mouseover bte and Ps

nothing else

[frail veldt]

so that if theres a mob far away you can do your main rotation on the mobs within melee range

and then be bteing the far mob

[quaint mauve]

so you want KS on cd before you vanish too?

[glass mortar]

oh and cheap shot/kidney

[frail veldt]

so that you get one extra target in your cleave

[frail veldt]

like I said, KS cd > 30s for vanish

thats the main vanish condition

[solar hazel]

20 also fine?

[frail veldt]

20-30s yeah is fine

[quaint mauve]

OHHHHHH my bad idk why i misread that

[frail veldt]

also all of this is very well written out in the #outlaw-faq

[quaint mauve]

that’s why i started talking abt bte cd

[frail veldt]

all g

[solar hazel]

is there a macro channel somewhere here

[frail veldt]

yeah we used to care about bte cd

no

outlaw has very few macros

if any

[quaint mauve]

ok that makes more sense

[solar hazel]

i guess chatgpt will have to do some work

[frail veldt]

theres nothing to macro

[quaint mauve]

no way chatgpt macros work

[frail veldt]

you cant macro trinkets cuz it bugs stealth

[solar hazel]

i mean the mouseovers

[frail veldt]

you can macro GS but its not optimal

oh

those are easy

[solar hazel]

i do it with macro

yeah but too lazy

[frail veldt]

/cast [@mouseover, exists] between the eyes; between the eyes

you can also add a harm check if you want but I cba

im holding right click 99.9% of the tiem anyway so I dont bother with that

[quaint mauve]

only macro i really have is the weapon swap one

[keen belfry]

yes im streaming howd yuo guys know

[solar hazel]

when do you use that one?

[frail veldt]

twitch.tv/awangangangang?

[frail veldt]

check the pins for info on the weapon swap

[lime lake]

na zac back at it

[solar hazel]

okay ty

[frail veldt]

theres a very very strong aoe weapon you can use as outlaw

its from the event

but it doesnt work on bosses

[keen belfry]

sirawang69 but i shouyld change it

[frail veldt]

so we swap it off

[solar hazel]

yeah the hallowfall one will have to go farm that ig

does it take long?

[frail veldt]

15 minutes

[solar hazel]

okay

[frail veldt]

I love your chat blocker

[keen belfry]

mhmm

[dull geyser]

do we sim 1T and 5T?

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly 1t and dslice

[late swallow]

No self promo unless it’s feet OF

Solo’s rule not mine

[tepid skiff]

avg day of keys

[craggy barn]

huge

[frail veldt]

Tbh now that we have new KS coming I have so little motivation to play haha

[frank finch]

worst part of these updates

retail is poop

[solar hazel]

another quick question does anyone have like a good wa or some kind of way to see diminishing returns near nameplates?

[frail veldt]

lots of addons for this

also most nameplate addons themselves support this

[solar hazel]

i use elvui 😉 and can't seem to find it

[frail veldt]

rip

tbh elvui usually needs some supplemental addons anyway

[solar hazel]

yeah just use it for nameplates and chat boxes

use afenar wa for ui

[frail veldt]

bigdebuffs is what I use for DRs I believe

[solar hazel]

okay wil look at it

[frail veldt]

tbh if thats all youre using it for you should probably just get plater

plater is by far the most powerful nameplate addon

[solar hazel]

don't know have been using elvui since legion can't really shake it off yet

[frail veldt]

and you can download profiles from people like quazii that have season specific ability/mob hp highlighting so you know which mobs have relevant kicks and frontals and such

[solar hazel]

yeah that probably is better

[frail veldt]

ive ranted on elvui in the past and it sounds like youre one of the people who just uses it as a "skin"

in which case its honestly worthless imo lol

but ui is subjective anyway

[solar hazel]

i mean i can always turn off elvui nameplates

and have plater

and the rest of the ui

[frail veldt]

yeah that would work

[solar hazel]

don't know if my pc likes running that many addons though

and wa's

[frail veldt]

plater is very lightweight as far as nameplate addons go

you can also literally turn down its refresh rate

[solar hazel]

mmh okay

[frail veldt]

so it uses very little cpu

[solar hazel]

i go get it

[frail veldt]

its one of th emost powerful addons in wow

[solar hazel]

dr is built in on it or not?

[frail veldt]

yeah

it has drs built in

only thing that sucks about plater

[solar hazel]

oki

[frail veldt]

is its options/settings interface is INSANELY confusing

lol

[solar hazel]

if it's only that

[long barn]

What’s drs

[frail veldt]

maybe someone in here can share a good plater profile

[frail veldt]

diminishing returns

[long barn]

On plater? Hmm

[frail veldt]

yeah

[long barn]

Never seen it on my profile

[frail veldt]

it might not be on by default

[solar hazel]

just to see if it's worth to kidney or cheap shot

[long barn]

Yea

[frail veldt]

fuck it ill boot my game up gimme a sec lol

havent logged in in like a month

[long barn]

Mine is from noawhs

I can export if you want

[frail veldt]

his is prob good

id be very surprised if you have no dr tracking

unless naowh uses a different addon for it

[long barn]

True

[hollow temple]

Get Jundies profile off wago

[long barn]

And maybe I’m overlooked it

Jundies is good too

[hollow temple]

By far the best one that’s out there for free imo

[solar hazel]

shouldn't i use quazzi

or is he only for tanking good

[hollow temple]

Quazii’s is ok but I switched to Jundies

[frail veldt]

wow you might be right I dont see DRs in here

[keen belfry]

why was obs using my cpu to stream

[frail veldt]

wdym

[vivid vessel]

no one tracks dr

its true mewo

i do track it

but idk

[frail veldt]

thats so wild

[vivid vessel]

never seen anyine track dr

[frail veldt]

I thinik people who dont track it are people who dont pug

[solar hazel]

yeah i just pug

[frail veldt]

you should 100% track it as a general player who pugs a lot

[vivid vessel]

i use a weak aura for it but idk

its a biut buggy

sometiems its not accurate

[frail veldt]

diminish is a good addon to track it

[vivid vessel]

how does it show

[frail veldt]

yeah okay thats what I use for nameplates

[vivid vessel]

do you have a screenshot

[frail veldt]

however you want

[vivid vessel]

i doubt that

[keen belfry]

what dr tracking r we ltakinga baout

[frail veldt]

this is test mode

but you can see it on the nampelates

[proven ocean]

got the progress bar on the left while watching squid game

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on the left of the units

[vivid vessel]

ye

terrible i guess

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this is a better image

I also have my self drs above my rtb buffs

cuz pvp

[solar hazel]

okay

[frail veldt]

you can also just have a "target" anchor

[vivid vessel]

im using somethjing that is much more discret

[frail veldt]

and put it near your unit frames

its up to you

[vivid vessel]

you see

on right of the namelate

lil circle

[frail veldt]

is that just for stuns?

what about blind

[vivid vessel]

?

you are talking about pvp now

idc about pvp

[frail veldt]

I mean

[vivid vessel]

blind does not have a dr

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Ive played with a priest and a dh

[vivid vessel]

in pve

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so it was relevant

[vivid vessel]

how

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what are you talking about

blind is on the dissorient dr

it shares with Dragons breath

[solar hazel]

diminish addon is good enough for pvp no?

[frail veldt]

fear sigil

psychic scream

[frail veldt]

yep

[vivid vessel]

?

i have never ever

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zac

you silly goose

[vivid vessel]

have blind

[solar hazel]

not that i'm gonna play that but still

[vivid vessel]

dr

in pve

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lol

[vivid vessel]

you are wilding rn

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im not capping promise

[vivid vessel]

you are

[frail veldt]

you prob just havent run into the scenario

but I played with dh, mage, and priest in DF

and it was very relevant

[solar hazel]

well it's a cc wouldn't it make sense that it dr's?

[vivid vessel]

yiou need 4 cc in a row to full dr a mob no ?

how would that happen

[solar hazel]

if you all do it at the same time

[frail veldt]

big room in blackrook hold was the most common one

[solar hazel]

pug experience

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it wasnt in a pug

it just happens

[vivid vessel]

you dont have 4 tho

[frail veldt]

we didnt have that many stops

[vivid vessel]

is what i mean

fear mage blind

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fear sigil, psychic scream, blind, dragons breath

[vivid vessel]

thats 3

ok

[frail veldt]

ans fear sigil twice

so technically 5

[vivid vessel]

ye i guess the 4th is dred

idk

never happened to me eve

i dont track that

and i never will

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yeah I played a pretty cursed comp

[vivid vessel]

ty for suggestion tho

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if you ever pvp though you ahve to track all drs

cuz rogue has all drs

[vivid vessel]

ye i will never ppv

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I know lol

theres nothing more int than reseting a dr like 3 seconds before its going to clear

[proven ocean]

no u dont know

stop lying

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its so so so bad

[solar hazel]

anyone have a good cc tracker addon? cause i'm using omnicd now but it really isn't optimal?

[frail veldt]

bigdebuffs is what I use for cc duration on mobs

thats the gold standard in pvp but I think pve people use a variety

that one im fairly certain is native to plater

though ive been wrong before lollol

[solar hazel]

yeah i just want to see who has which cc up so i know if i need to blind

[frail veldt]

oh that way

sorry I thought you meant the cc debuff

[solar hazel]

nah 😉

[vivid vessel]

you want omnicd

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I believe littlewigs tracks that

omnicd works too

[vivid vessel]

but the guy