outlaw

[proven ocean]

with full raidbuffs?

ur cooked

[glass mortar]

The actual dps value of the buffs hes missing is closer to 7.5%

[haughty wigeon]

i mean depends on route

[keen belfry]

thats too high for u bro

[glass mortar]

Not even half

[haughty wigeon]

raidbuffs

and eberything

[keen belfry]

shjoot for 5.5

[frail veldt]

okay I Just scrolled up

[haughty wigeon]

tank pulling ect ect

i think he can pull 7mil

but i also think its irrelevant to argue about rn

cause they can buff arcane mage by a metric shit ton

if they feel like it

[frail veldt]

this is an insane take from zeross

[haughty wigeon]

cause every week

[frail veldt]

im with zac

[glass mortar]

Yup

[haughty wigeon]

they get a huge essay worth of changes

[frail veldt]

the math there is just wrong lol

[glass mortar]

He just can't ever admit he was wrong

[proven ocean]

i can do 7m in dawn with full raid buffs

things live longer

[glass mortar]

On anything

[frail veldt]

the mage has less raid buffs than the outlaw there

mage has PI

[proven ocean]

mage is doing 50m and 1 shots packs with cds

[frail veldt]

outlaw has monk buff

[proven ocean]

ur stupid af if u think outlaw wont do 7m

in dawn

[frail veldt]

im sure outlaw can

[keen belfry]

zeross you need to focus up rn

[proven ocean]

keep on arguing

[frail veldt]

but you would have to do better

than just gaining raid buffs

to beat that mage there

[proven ocean]

ur stupid af

ngl

[keen belfry]

zeross i need you to lock the fuck in

[glass mortar]

Everyone but Ross is so stupid guys

[frail veldt]

I mean thats just the math bro

[glass mortar]

I wish he was a green name already

[proven ocean]

in m+ when u have a class 1 shotting packs

[glass mortar]

Or orange

[proven ocean]

u have nothing to do about it

[frail veldt]

if ross was a green name I would quit

[keen belfry]

!greennameAwang

[proven ocean]

legit

nothing

[glass mortar]

What color would u want ross

[proven ocean]

the

class

is

1 shotting

the fucking pack

whats there hard to understand

[haughty wigeon]

mewo

actually

[proven ocean]

thats a big counter to outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

deserves greenname i think

[proven ocean]

ytou dumbfucks

holy shit

[haughty wigeon]

hes one of the more helpful people here

[random stirrup]

if he’s oneshotting the pack how u gonna beat him lmfao

[haughty wigeon]

in my opinion

[proven ocean]

its like an entire -1 pull to outlaw

[frail veldt]

I think im too spicy

but thank you

[proven ocean]

if arcane has cds

[keen belfry]

@haughty wigeon me gree name?

[haughty wigeon]

ye sure

[proven ocean]

arcane is bugged on ptr

[keen belfry]

ty

[proven ocean]

its doing way more dps

[frail veldt]

zeross no one is trying to say youre bad

[haughty wigeon]

me greenname?

[frail veldt]

we just think youre bad at math

sure

[hybrid crown]

a class using dps cds on a pack beating outlaw??!??!?1

[proven ocean]

bro i cba with you holy shit

[haughty wigeon]

everyones silence is deafening

..

[proven ocean]

im saying if the arcane wasnt here and he was a warrior

i'll do 7m

[frail veldt]

❤️ you too bby

[proven ocean]

easily

[haughty wigeon]

im going to draw

[proven ocean]

mage is 1 shotting packs bro

[haughty wigeon]

big fat boobs

[frail veldt]

sure I dont disagree with that

[haughty wigeon]

for artfight

[frail veldt]

but you wouldnt have "beat the mage"

[haughty wigeon]

yall dont trigger slowmode while im gone

[frail veldt]

if you had more raid buffs there

[proven ocean]

replace me with a boomkin and he'd do the same dps

[keen belfry]

zeross if you did more dmg the arcane would do more dmg cuz pack dies in his cds

[proven ocean]

i'll do way more in a phys comp

[keen belfry]

so you actually inted the arcane mage

by bad play

need to focus up

[frail veldt]

Yeah you could beat the mage in a different group and he was in a different group

[proven ocean]

no shit sherlock because they dont play together ever

[frail veldt]

but if you just magically had more raid buffs there

you wouldnt have beaten the mage

[proven ocean]

bro

[random stirrup]

If I fill my group with worthless buffbodies and int my mages comp I can beat him

[proven ocean]

these 2 classes

[glass mortar]

Arcane would do 3% more dps if u replaced u with a druid wdym

[proven ocean]

dont play together

[glass mortar]

5% more if dh

[proven ocean]

idk what ur comparing rn

holy shit

[glass mortar]

Ur not the only one gaining raid buff dps

Why is it only u

[proven ocean]

brother

[glass mortar]

Can arcane not gain raid buff dps

[frail veldt]

also yeah the mage is missing a lot of raid buffs tbh

[proven ocean]

do i have to type this 10 more times

for u to understand once

or no?

im saying

[frail veldt]

if arcane had vdh and boomy

he would easily do more than 7 mil

[proven ocean]

if i get full melee comp, i'll do more dps than this mage's dps in dawnbreaker even if he was in a full mage comp

[lone spear]

damage this, damage that. i just want trickster to not be cringe

[proven ocean]

and compare both dps in both logs

i'll win

thats what i said initially

and ur all acting dumb as fuck and ur not reading

[frail veldt]

I didnt see that all I saw was this statement

[proven ocean]

zac is just mad because hes zac

[frail veldt]

and it is wrong

[mighty pivot]

[proven ocean]

stop pasting the same shit without context

[vivid vessel]

r1

gaslighter

[proven ocean]

cba bro

[vivid vessel]

stupid mf

does 1 think

[keen belfry]

i kinda want a coffee rn

[vivid vessel]

thing

[glass mortar]

Zac is mad cause u have added 5000 caveats since he proved u wrong and now ur pretending this was ur argument the whole time

[vivid vessel]

gaslight

and

[frail veldt]

ooo yeah imma make some coffe

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

And u think we are all dumbfucks who don't notice

[frail veldt]

with my very reasonably priced grinder

and expensive beans

[craggy barn]

can i have some

[proven ocean]

dont talk to me zac if u dont want to have a real conversation

[frail veldt]

idk Im usually too lazy to make more than 1 cup ngl

[craggy barn]

americano or espresso

[frail veldt]

pour over

[random stirrup]

If I get my full raid buff group I will magically do 20% dps while the mage beating me by 20% will magically gain 0 dmg from his raid buffs

[craggy barn]

ah

[keen belfry]

zomb i was gonna offer u some but nah just ask mewo idc

[frail veldt]

but I do like an americano

[craggy barn]

awang ur lost

[frail veldt]

thats what I get at work

[sharp hinge]

what even is an americano

[keen belfry]

not my fault zomb is zomb and just made because hes zomb

[glass mortar]

I'm almost home then its coffee time

[sharp hinge]

iced black coffee?

[frail veldt]

espresso with water

hot water*

[craggy barn]

americano is pot brew coffee generally

[glass mortar]

America is a fancy way of saying a black coffee made with an espresso shot

[mighty pivot]

watered down coffee

[keen belfry]

zomb more like domb casue its like dumb

[glass mortar]

You water it down yea

[proven ocean]

mewo ur the most cooked coffee guy on the planet

its not even close

[frail veldt]

wat no

[glass mortar]

I actually like them

[frail veldt]

americano is from espresso shots

[keen belfry]

i actually agree with this one

[proven ocean]

r1 most cooked barista 2025

[keen belfry]

@frail veldt

[proven ocean]

its not even close

mewo i literally never saw anyone close to you

im not even kidding

[frail veldt]

thats okay

[proven ocean]

like

the bar between you

[glass mortar]

????

[frail veldt]

your track record for being cooked far exceeds mine

[proven ocean]

and the 2nd most cooked coffee guy

is gonna strecth from the moon all up to mars

im not even kidding bro

its not close

ur takes on coffee is so cooked its enough to burn the entire galaxy

[glass mortar]

Oh nobody close to ur level of cooked i thought Ross was saying mewo had no friends

[proven ocean]

[median lance]

can someone post a ingame video of their 1 button rotation button and tell me what it looks like or post it here. I dead ass think mine is bugged it feels too good.

[glass mortar]

And I was gunna say true that

[frail veldt]

"beans literally dont matter" - Zeross 2025

[craggy barn]

guys

[glass mortar]

[frail veldt]

imagine agreeing with that

[proven ocean]

nah nah dont start with me again

[keen belfry]

no lie i once ordered a coffee from mewo
he said "sure man let me make u a home brew"
it was so fucking piss

[craggy barn]

we cant troll ranged players on moss boss anymore

[proven ocean]

mewo thinks a blade grinder is gonna do fine on good beans vs a super god tier grinder with mid beans

[frail veldt]

lol I never said anything of hte sort

[keen belfry]

nah i heard u say that

[proven ocean]

u did

say it

i cba bro

even awang is agreeing with me

first time ever

in 2025

LOOOOL

[craggy barn]

is today a everyone fight zeross day

[sharp hinge]

if it taste like piss and smells like piss..

[keen belfry]

back off zomb

[proven ocean]

ikr

legit everyone

[keen belfry]

not me

[glass mortar]

Everyday

[frail veldt]

I said past a certain price point you should stop spending money on a grinder and spend money on different bean variety if you want more variance in flavor

[proven ocean]

can u all relax

[craggy barn]

u wanna fight me now ross??

[proven ocean]

like

everyone is attacking me for no reason

[lime lake]

[frail veldt]

I feel like thats a pretty reasonable take

compared to "beans literally dont matter"

[proven ocean]

WDYM reasonable

ur just attacking for no reason

and u weren't even in the conversation

[sharp hinge]

i like zeross

[proven ocean]

and u bring up some cooked ass coffee takes as usual

[frail veldt]

I find my way in

[nimble sage]

out of all class discords you guys take the prize for weirdest atmosphere

[lime lake]

not today you dont

[keen belfry]

welcome

[red zinc]

we all get collectively one guyed

[craggy barn]

lol

[glass mortar]

Was mewos cooked coffee take today explaining what an Americano is or

[lime lake]

wait until you join the dh discord

[keen belfry]

timmy

@red zinc

[glass mortar]

Did I miss it

[sharp hinge]

yah

[nimble sage]

it cant be worse than this, can it? no?

[frail veldt]

I cant tell if youre trolling

[lime lake]

[frail veldt]

what do you th ink an americano is

[craggy barn]

idk i think not cooking ur coffee is kinda bad

[sharp hinge]

dh discord or horrible

[glass mortar]

No im saying if that's what's cooked then what the fuk is Ross on about

[craggy barn]

mewo having cooked coffee takes is good, bc why would u not cook coffee

[sharp hinge]

dh and hunter discord are the worst

[red zinc]

hi

[frail veldt]

my take that bean qualtiy does matter

[proven ocean]

everyone is mad because i made a correct statement and they just want to disagree for no reason

this chat always disagrees with you

even if they do agree

[glass mortar]

U just gave the definition of an americano

[proven ocean]

24/7

[nimble sage]

they are just holding you back

[frail veldt]

he thinks beans are irrelevant in the quality of the coffee

[nimble sage]

don't let them do this to you

[frail veldt]

he was referencing an old argument

[glass mortar]

Ah ok

[haughty wigeon]

Right now lets be objective about this:

Relentless Strikes/Expose Armor = BTE
Eviscerate = Dispatch
Sinister Strike = Sinister Strike
Ambush = Ambush
Anticipation stacks = FTH proc stacks
MFD = Talented Imp AR
SnD = Auto SnD
Bandits Guile tracking = RTB buff tracking

What level of complexity makes OUtlaw more complex than Combat from lets say WoD?

Streamline or remove RTB and all the problems of over engineered complexity go away. We told you this in Legion beta!!!

Thank you for attending my tedtalk and have a nice day.

👍

🏄‍♂️ : 🏄‍♀️ :

[nimble sage]

am i dreaming?

[craggy barn]

imo u can make bad beans into good coffee

with a good grinder

[frail veldt]

:surfing_man: :surfing_woman:

[keen belfry]

brothel late july

me u

[frail veldt]

I dont disagree

[keen belfry]

nude

[haughty wigeon]

fixed

[red zinc]

thats gay

im not about that

[sharp hinge]

for me, coffee is coffee - im just trying to wake up

[red zinc]

u do u though

[proven ocean]

i play rogue better than everyone in this chat and u all are cooked on ur wild takes ngl

[keen belfry]

with clothes on

[craggy barn]

ur take was good grinder first, then good beans for variety flavours, which is not even a cooked take

[red zinc]

ok

fire

[lime lake]

i swear this is actually a very good place to get whatever rogue info you need, its just insanely cooked atm

[frail veldt]

I bet zeross couldnt get past 2400 in solo shuff on outlaw

[lime lake]

the zac vs zeross wars have been taking a toll

[covert kestrel]

!ban Blame cya later nerd

[proven ocean]

yes and mewo is saying the opposite

thats extremely cooked

hes saying

grinder doesnt matter

[frail veldt]

I am not

[proven ocean]

btw zombv

imagine

[frail veldt]

I NEVER

said

grinder doesnt matter

thats fucking stupid

I think all parts matter

[craggy barn]

mewo said what i just said zeross

[proven ocean]

even james hoffman says grinder is the #1 most important thing

[frail veldt]

you LITERALLY said "beans dont matter"

[proven ocean]

in a v60

[median lance]

wait are yall talking about Grindr?

[proven ocean]

bro

[frail veldt]

exactly!

that was my take

[frail veldt]

zeross is just hearing what he wants to hear

[craggy barn]

literally what i said

[red zinc]

coffee grinders

but i like where your mind is at

[sharp hinge]

who tf is james hoffman

[frail veldt]

LOL so he agrees with you when you say it

[craggy barn]

a youtber

[frail veldt]

but when I say it im cooked

[proven ocean]

u know messi?

[frail veldt]

insane

[proven ocean]

thats him

[craggy barn]

[proven ocean]

but on ocffee

no

[rigid basin]

Crazy I checked in like 4 hours ago and ya'll still arguin'

[proven ocean]

mewo

stop for a sec

[rigid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[proven ocean]

cuz

u have no idea what ur talking about

[vivid vessel]

STFU

[sharp hinge]

soccer player?

[frail veldt]

zeross this is played out

[proven ocean]

what i said is

[craggy barn]

wb zac

[proven ocean]

mewo mew

mewo

1 min ok

chat

SILENCE

[lime lake]

zac took a nap and is back to yap

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

He's such a gaslighter it's impressive

[covert kestrel]

#coffee channel please gld

[glass mortar]

Any gaslighters in the chat @vivid vessel

[frail veldt]

zeross stop

[haughty wigeon]

i drew a dyrad guys

[proven ocean]

mewo i told you that james hoffman said the most important thing in a v60 is a grinder

[glass mortar]

We r in our girlboss era

[proven ocean]

and you said

NO

[haughty wigeon]

do you guys like it?

[proven ocean]

BEANS

[keen belfry]

ill stream dw guys

[proven ocean]

MATTER MORE THANA A GRINDER

how is that a take

[frail veldt]

I never disagreed what matters more

[proven ocean]

thats cooked out the wazoo

[frail veldt]

I agree grinder matters more

[nimble sage]

at least he's consistant

[proven ocean]

BRO

[frail veldt]

but to say beans DONT MATTER

is insane

[proven ocean]

u know what i meant by beans doesnt matter

its like

not a big concern

till u have a big good grinder

THEN

[frail veldt]

well you should know what I meant by "beans do matter"

[proven ocean]

it matters the most

beans only matter the most after u have everything because u legit have nothing else to replace to begin with

which is why your so fucking cooked mewo

[frail veldt]

beans ofc matter assuming you have the rest of your system at a decent level

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-kid-pork-and-beans-beans-gif-19099849

[haughty wigeon]

i also frew my vdh guys

do u like it?

[frail veldt]

and you can get a lot of flavor variety out of your coffee jsut from the beans

[proven ocean]

BUT THATS NOT HOW U COMPARE

[red zinc]

zac depleteing 15s, this yall goat?

[nimble sage]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-south-park-gif-26992332 this discord rn

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

So did u two agree the whole time and Ross is just gaslighting this into an argument

[frail veldt]

ofc it is

[glass mortar]

Why are u arguing

About this nonsense

[proven ocean]

UR LIKE ok guys i have everything and the last thing that is left is what matters haha look im smart guys xdxdxdxdXDXD

[frail veldt]

you assume all else held constant

[proven ocean]

how is that relevant

i dont get it

[frail veldt]

it all matters

[glass mortar]

Mewo said grinder is more important

[frail veldt]

yes

thats the point

[proven ocean]

bro listen

[frail veldt]

literally

[proven ocean]

than coffee beans? he never did

[frail veldt]

my point was that people need to stop circle jerking their grinder cost

and ignoring beans

[proven ocean]

he always said BEANS MATTER THE MOST XD

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/linda-listen-kid-gif-4834202

[frail veldt]

when you can get a lot of flavor variety

out of beans

for not that much cost

[proven ocean]

mewo

grinder is what brings the flavors

[frail veldt]

I agree

[proven ocean]

with a shit grinder u get a muddy ass flavor

[frail veldt]

I agree

[proven ocean]

even if

its a good bean

it'll be SHIT

cuz the grinder is cooked out the wazoo

BUT if u do the opposite

good grinder bad beans

the v60 can be really really good

which is why grinder has more raider io

than beans

[frail veldt]

Im not saying to do either

[proven ocean]

get it now?

[sharp hinge]

we've got a lot of hot bean connoisseurs in here

[glass mortar]

Yes

[frail veldt]

Im saying that beans matter

[proven ocean]

yes yes

i know

bro

mewo

[haughty wigeon]

i like instant coffee

[proven ocean]

wait

[frail veldt]

and you can get a lot of variety

[proven ocean]

let me show u those beans omgomgogm

they are so good

[haughty wigeon]

nescafwe

[frail veldt]

out of beans

[proven ocean]

1 sec

[haughty wigeon]

specifically

[frail veldt]

LOL

[craggy barn]

some insta coffee is not terrible

[frail veldt]

columbian instant coffee goes hard

lowkey

[glass mortar]

He did

He just didn't agree that beans don't matter at all period

[craggy barn]

start roasting ur own beans

[frail veldt]

aitn got time for that

[proven ocean]

hands down the best beans i ever had in my life

[glass mortar]

I'll roast ur beans zomb

[frail veldt]

its actually a pretty ahrd process

[proven ocean]

its so fucking good

u can really taste the chocolate biscuit flavors

a slight hint of wood flavors which is abit weird and really nice

i promise you mewo

[frail veldt]

id try it

should I buy some

[proven ocean]

u wont get even 1% of those flavors

[frail veldt]

ill do it

[proven ocean]

if u had bad grinder

[frail veldt]

I mean my grinder is decent

[proven ocean]

ye price is good ngl

if u like chocolate v60

its nice

i usually like to drink basic flavored beans

but when i drink fruity i just get some geisha or someshit

[proven ocean]

ye i'd order 1

if i were you

[craggy barn]

i hate fruity coffee ngl

[proven ocean]

but again idk what u like in beans

so ye

i do really love them tho

[vivid vessel]

fuck your beans

imma bean your ass

[proven ocean]

if u like fermented beans

these are super good

[craggy barn]

omg

[frail veldt]

I have a baratza virtuoso am I cooked @proven ocean

[proven ocean]

but expensive

[craggy barn]

zac wtf

[frail veldt]

should I give up

is my coffee all shit

[proven ocean]

ima put all my beans in ur ass zac

[craggy barn]

guys

[frail veldt]

LOL

[craggy barn]

take this to a private thread

pls

or imma call the cops

[glass mortar]

People pay extra for that flavor dont they

[proven ocean]

bottom dps BozoMaster69XD

[vivid vessel]

i was afk half the key

arguing

[glass mortar]

I think he's supposed to eat them tho

[proven ocean]

ye they do

[vivid vessel]

with your ass

[proven ocean]

ass flavored beans is rly weird

u mean the poop ones

or

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

its a real thing

no joke

[glass mortar]

Cat ass flavored ig

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

It's some cat isn't it

[proven ocean]

ye

and monkeys i think

no

elephant

idk what else

@frail veldt idk if they ship globally btw

[frail veldt]

yeah im seeing that

lets see shipping

LOL

rippppppp

$76 usd

[sharp hinge]

Isn’t there some exotic animal in Africa that poops coffee beans

[frail veldt]

yes

[proven ocean]

nah dont buy

holy shit

[frail veldt]

its a cat

[proven ocean]

thats so expensive not near worth

thats like a full panama geisha from a rly rare farm kind of price

looool

[sharp hinge]

Kopi Luwak coffee

[frail veldt]

Asian palm civet

[sharp hinge]

That’s what it is

[proven ocean]

mewo

[sharp hinge]

Wild!

[proven ocean]

dont buy beans globally imo

just locally

its way more expensive if u order online

unless shipping is free or cheap ig

[frail veldt]

Yeah thats pretty brutal

I buy online frequently

but its still domestic

[proven ocean]

cuz we have rly good roasteries here

in uae

so im chilling no cap

[sharp hinge]

You live in Dubai Zeross?

[proven ocean]

kinda

another city

[fierce mulch]

Do you spam rtb with kir for super charger or do you respect the container rules?

[frail veldt]

little of both

faq covers it

[proven ocean]

i swap around

[gaunt phoenix]

you cant spam or you will eventually override all the buffs you just kir'd

[fierce mulch]

thank you I couldnt find it myself and I need to relearn kir for next season lol

[frail veldt]

The overall rule for rtb is you roll if you will lose 2 or less buffs

[gaunt phoenix]

next tier the faq will have pictures describing how to roll after kir

with the borders

[frail veldt]

with the container WA that would be the sum of all red and blue buffs

if that sum is 2 or less you are safe to roll

thats the basic logic of it, there are corner cases

[fierce mulch]

Thank you both

[frail veldt]

do you think the WA should just have red and yellow?

I know its had blue for a long time

but shouldnt all blue just be considered red effectively?

[craggy barn]

isnt it a zac aura, so thats a zac question

[frail veldt]

Yeah it is

[vivid vessel]

no

its easier to compartiment in your head

• there is

[frail veldt]

You can still use rtb correctly if it's all blue was red instead though right?

That's how I've been playing

You just keep blue so you know which buffs are shorter in duration?

At a glance

[mighty pivot]

their base duration will be shorter but not the remaining one necessarily

since low duration red ones don't turn blue

[vivid vessel]

yep

iots very op

to snipe kir

[sharp hinge]

will it even be worth playing next season

[craggy barn]

outlaw?

[fierce mulch]

isnt HO dying when we replace tier?

[sharp hinge]

rogue in general ig

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah HO is dying

[craggy barn]

if u dont enjoy rogue then dont play it

if u enjoy it

then its always worth playing

if u care about giga rank 1 high keys, prob not bc the meta wont revolve around rogue

[sharp hinge]

i enjoy it. just not when its bottom dps

[craggy barn]

if u value raw output then who fucking knows

[tender wedge]

sounds like you enjoy top dps more lol

[craggy barn]

tuning isnt done yet

its likely rogue wont be giga top tier r1 dps

[sharp hinge]

i like shittin on the guildies lol

[tender wedge]

thats a valid motivation lol

but yeah rogue unlikely to give you that atm

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-leslie-jordan-gif-11334450875675318506

[craggy barn]

if u want the highest chance of being able to out damage people

mage

[desert tendon]

@proven ocean

[craggy barn]

lol

[desert tendon]

any mice reco?

[frank finch]

wake up from nap no rogue notes

[proven ocean]

Whats that

[frank finch]

i hate playing this class sometimes

[sharp hinge]

i hate anything other than frost mage

as far as arcane and fire

[craggy barn]

our change wasnt in notes for some reason

its annoying

this is it

[proven ocean]

Ye

Outlaw feels nice now

With that change

Rly like it

[sharp hinge]

are we saved?

[proven ocean]

Gameplay feels good

[frank finch]

ooo

[proven ocean]

U can get back to back double coup’s now

With good rng

U pump big dam

[tender wedge]

oh neat, does that cycle coup faster as well then

[frank finch]

was about to say atleast bubbles is gone

[upbeat tundra]

what talents are u plkayimg

[desert tendon]

mouse

[frank finch]

we take those

[proven ocean]

Mouse what bro

??

[frank finch]

ks still feels like ass or?

[proven ocean]

Idk

Its alright now imo

[frank finch]

let me guess zac doesnt like it

[proven ocean]

Zac hates everything

Realz even said it

[fierce mulch]

trickster is the way to go for dungeons next season?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's too early to say

[proven ocean]

Outlaw does good dmg on ptr and zac wants it to do 30% more than everything

Outlaw is fine now imo

[vivid vessel]

donkey

[fierce mulch]

true

[haughty wigeon]

need to have more than 4 stacks of eb

[proven ocean]

Language

[vivid vessel]

no !

[frank finch]

back to back double coups

[sharp hinge]

Zac, youre supposed to say - English

[frank finch]

i need to see this

[frail veldt]

OOOOOOOOOOO

[vivid vessel]

bro

i did

[frail veldt]

thats huge

[vivid vessel]

like

double coup > ks > double coup

goes crazy

kinda cringe ?

idk

[frail veldt]

it would be even huger is escalating blade stacks past 4

[vivid vessel]

weird

[frail veldt]

like if it loops around

[vivid vessel]

ye of course

but i think

it will come

this ptr cycle

[frank finch]

zac

[vivid vessel]

cause it make too much sense

[frank finch]

is law worse or beter then last week

[frail veldt]

and yeah KS duration is still an issue

[vivid vessel]

the change is good

its better

[frank finch]

ok we getting there

[vivid vessel]

i dont think its gonna be really noticeable

tho

[frail veldt]

but the direction isnt bad

[frank finch]

1 month left

[vivid vessel]

but its a good change

[frail veldt]

I think this could end up banger

[vivid vessel]

the issue is now you overcap more

also its

[frail veldt]

if they dont give up halfway

[vivid vessel]

delayed

getting es is delayed

so its like

very weird

[frail veldt]

oh thats annohying

[vivid vessel]

and since you cant predict it

with the weak aura

i find myself pressing stuffs i shouldnt be pressing

cause iproced late

[frail veldt]

yeah theyre gona have to make it stack past 4

[proven ocean]

Pressing 4 coups in 6 gcd’s is fun as fuck

[vivid vessel]

but its also ptr lag a bit

[glass mortar]

25% of the 2set procs just go to waste

[proven ocean]

Outlaw is so op when that happens

Like

[glass mortar]

its still flawed

[proven ocean]

How kuch is that

[glass mortar]

but improved from before for sure

[proven ocean]

100% more finisher dmg

Or someshit

Xdd

[glass mortar]

well the set was worth piss before so its probably slightly less piss now

not nearly as op as u probably imagine tho

honestly the stacks u got out of that for a crackshot r probably more crazy then the actual damage

its not like coup is a mega slapper

[frail veldt]

yeah 4 coups is a LOT of stacks

its also a LOT of cdr lol

[proven ocean]

I think its rly good now and not piss at all xd

Mage will get nerfed

[glass mortar]

i have my doubts but we will have answers sooner or later

[proven ocean]

So stop comparing to random classes that do 100m dps

Its cringe

[glass mortar]

?

im comparing what the set was worth

to what i know other sets r worth

[proven ocean]

Not u

I mean

Everyone is

Comparing outlaw to mage

And balance

And mm hunt

[glass mortar]

zac was comparing his outlaw to feral and ele shaman and losing

are they also broken

or is zac just washed

[proven ocean]

Ele is good

[sharp hinge]

human nature ig

[proven ocean]

Hes typing 400 msg’s mid key

What do u expect

Hes just gaslighting

[frank finch]

710 ilvl again?

[glass mortar]

i mean u posted a pick of an arcane dumpstering u and said "outlaw is op" so i will take his takes more then u ngl, but no point in even debating these things when tuning is barely done and we will have the answers in a month anyway

[proven ocean]

Arcane 1 shots packs

From full hp

To 0

In like 10 seconds

[glass mortar]

outlaw doesnt care about fight timers

[nimble sage]

How should I think about rtb? When to roll and when to not?

[proven ocean]

?

[glass mortar]

same dps if the fight is 5m or 20s

what u want me to say

[proven ocean]

It does care if the pack dies in 10 seconds

[glass mortar]

arcane isnt deleting every pack the whole key or?

maybe it is

[proven ocean]

The mage dps becomes inflated

?????

[glass mortar]

u do more dps if the pack lives 10s then u would do if it lived any longer no?

the entire pack is just a crackshot

[proven ocean]

Hes devouring the entire pack

[glass mortar]

ur damage literally peaks

during crackshot

[proven ocean]

Wtf are u talking about

[glass mortar]

im sure it inflates him too?

[proven ocean]

This guy

[daring oxide]

Does escalating blades buff properly gets consumed when you use the first coup?

On ptr

[proven ocean]

The spec eats the entire pack and u steal 1 blueberry

Wtf is that gonna do

[agile orchid]

does this change anything?

[craggy barn]

yes

[glass mortar]

its stronger (it needed to be)

[frail veldt]

wait

what if

it strikes twice

[glass mortar]

still gunna lose ~25% of the procs to overcapping unfortunatly

[frail veldt]

but doesnt give extra stacks

lol

[glass mortar]

nah it gives stacks

[frail veldt]

lol okay cool

[glass mortar]

wouldnt make any sense if it didnt

[craggy barn]

its on ptr rn

[frail veldt]

wouldnt be the first time

hahahaha

[lone spear]

praying for some aura tracking for it in game at least

[glass mortar]

now if unseen could stack up to 8 times...

it would be perfect

[craggy barn]

they just ned to change the name

to seen blade

so we can see the proc

withoout this dumb wa

[lone spear]

holy shit ur so smart zomb

whats funny is if they just added a lil damage to when it resets

a WA could track it

but it just sometimes resets with no in-game feedback at all

[frank finch]

yeah that feels alot better

the cdr is very noticeable

[gaunt phoenix]

im trying to sim it but i keep making it consume itself repeatedly over and over

[fossil lintel]

That's the auto attack one, no?

[lone spear]

ye

like its not even "oh i pressed a lot of ss or ps recently, maybe my unseen blade procced"

[glass mortar]

u guys just dont understand the flavor

it wouldnt be a very unseen blade if we could accuratly track it

😠

how dare u try to optimize ur hero talents to this degree

[lone spear]

what flavour im an outlaw rogue i wanna stab them in the face let them see it

😠

[glass mortar]

it adds depth and wonderful.... friction making it so u cant tell when this is gunna happen or even if it did happen

[lone spear]

give me a cannonball barrage and we'll call it even 🤝

[stuck patrol]

And by unseen blade

Well let's just say

My PENITS

[stuck patrol]

No

[lone spear]

and replace crimson vial with a bottle of grog

[stuck patrol]

Now there be something I can get behind matey

[frail veldt]

I always loved the pvp talent "drink up me harties"

that makes crimson vial aoe

[lone spear]

its sad theres more pirate theming in pvp talents

than base ones

[stuck patrol]

The best version of that was the one where you could make some to give to allies

[upbeat tundra]

they are gonna reduce this channel time of ks right

[glass mortar]

[upbeat tundra]

this feels like an eternity

[glass mortar]

we pray every week brotherman

[late swallow]

clush is back

[stuck patrol]

You're going to get your shooty time and you're going to like it

[upbeat tundra]

just trying ks on the ptr

[late swallow]

do you like the 3-5 business day channel?

[upbeat tundra]

i hit it and i can go do my taxes and come back and its almost done

also do i turn my sensitivity up to 20 and spin my mouse in a circle for ks now

[gaunt phoenix]

looks like about 1% ahead of the old 2pc

Minimal dps but should play better

old

new

it does improve variance

good change i like it

now reduce ks !

[desert tendon]

now delete ks!

[dim parrot]

You guys pref @cursor macro for grapple?

[frail veldt]

definitely

[dim parrot]

Heard

[late swallow]

i do @player for grapple

[lone spear]

i would reccomend practicing with it though

i remember just ripping it mid fyrakk prog

and uhh, lets say my cursor aiming wasnt great

[mighty pivot]

that's insane tech

[glass mortar]

legit 1% dps increase

w/e thats just tuning

now make blades stack past 4

!

and its just fine

[mighty pivot]

ye they can tune 2p by increasing the damage bonus, they need to fix the gameplay first with EB stacks

and part of the variance will go away if they increase the stacks because if you are unlucky and have most of your procs a 3/4 or during coup (assuming you don't instantly send) then you only benefit from the 30% dmg bonus

[fossil lintel]

Imagine being able to use your first vanish charge before you send your first coup

[vivid vessel]

first boss dawnbreaker

[late swallow]

damn outlaw is pumping!

beat the r druid!

patchwerk fight!

[vivid vessel]

last boss floodgate

swampface

[sudden fulcrum]

GIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ZAP!

[vivid vessel]

demolition duo boss

zeross told me outlaw was fine tho

so i will trust him

(i do half the damage i do on live )

but outlaw is op on ptr zeross told me

[late swallow]

maybe @proven ocean can coach you a bit? you might be misplaying

[vivid vessel]

but im washed up on outlaw btw

ye

[hybrid crown]

Zac is going to go to reddit and post about how he misses combat now 😔

[mighty pivot]

he's already done it multiple times posting on an alt

[proven ocean]

?

Thats more than skill issue

[vivid vessel]

ye mb

i dont know how to play outlaw

im glad ross is going to teach me outlaw

when im doing less than tank on every boss

[proven ocean]

If u think thats rng thats wild

[vivid vessel]

ye stfu

i cba

[sudden fulcrum]

wow i didn't expect the legend of the rogue that got gapped by a brewmaster to be about zac

[restive obsidian]

I'm surprised they didn't just allow for more unseen blade stacks with 4 piece.

[proven ocean]

ur at 710 ilvl

[mighty pivot]

hey the good news is that there is no mechagon next season

[vivid vessel]

did i ping you

for your opinion

[proven ocean]

Its normal to misplay

[vivid vessel]

ok

[proven ocean]

@late swallow Did

[vivid vessel]

do not talk to me please

[proven ocean]

Thought he paid for coaching

Didnt you @late swallow

[vivid vessel]

im telling you i do less damage than on live with 30 more ilvl

and im missplaying

on legit half the bosses

[sudden fulcrum]

didn't PTR scale us down?

[vivid vessel]

im playing

yes sure

no you are scaled up

[sudden fulcrum]

it was way less than 701 when i last played

[vivid vessel]

710 ilvl

[haughty wigeon]

god

[haughty wigeon]

if brew is meta

its going to be

so fucking funny

[sudden fulcrum]

doesn't the (681) mean you are scaled down?

[fossil lintel]

Are you using old tier?

[proven ocean]

1.7m st is wild i cant tell if ur sandbagging or not

[vivid vessel]

no thats the normal ilvl

im using new tier

[sudden fulcrum]

oh

[proven ocean]

Like genuinely

[vivid vessel]

ye im sandbagging so they buff outalw

[fossil lintel]

Oh I saw the head icon and assumed

[glass mortar]

i mean its the boss where u fly into the air and fuck around halfway thru and drop ur ADR if u didnt get a good timing

which based on ur damage i imagine u didnt

[vivid vessel]

im under tank on kelp boss

im last dps on 2 target boss

[glass mortar]

ur playing trickster?

[vivid vessel]

im doing 30% less damage

on every boss

of course im playing trickster

[glass mortar]

i mean ok

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[glass mortar]

lets do some quickmath

[vivid vessel]

i mean ok

i do less dps than on live

[glass mortar]

kspree change was 8% nerf

[sudden fulcrum]

quick mafs

[glass mortar]

current tier is what

double the new tier?

so thats dropping another like 10%

[vivid vessel]

bit less i think

[glass mortar]

ok 9%

[vivid vessel]

its 18 vs 9

[glass mortar]

so 17% weaker on ptr baseline

[vivid vessel]

ok its double ncm

[glass mortar]

but u gained 24 ilvl

[proven ocean]

2m st and way less buffs + bad rng

[errant arrow]

So what your saying is make killing spree a 5 minute CD that channels over 8 seconds

[vivid vessel]

gg you are so much better at the game than me ross

now stop ping ing me

you absolute donkeuy

[proven ocean]

You probably flew too early and didnt save trinket stacks

[vivid vessel]

you are

insuferable

ok

[proven ocean]

?

[glass mortar]

so at 710 ilvl you should be, assuming a liberal 1.2% dps per ilvl

[vivid vessel]

dont talk to me

its legit annoying

[proven ocean]

Relax holy shit

[vivid vessel]

nah

you are getting on my nerves

[proven ocean]

Calling me donkey and shit

[vivid vessel]

ye you are

[late swallow]

yeah I pinged you because zac seemed like he needed some coaching

[glass mortar]

hmm

[proven ocean]

Wild

[vivid vessel]

stop now

[late swallow]

i know ur a really good rogue ross

[fossil lintel]

I watch you two fight every couple days but this is the first time Zac seem actually pissed off

[proven ocean]

Idk why ur mad im saying u prob misplayed

[glass mortar]

~30% dps power from ilvl -17% dps from the changes

[late swallow]

nah this shit happens all the time

[vivid vessel]

of course he has been doing that for days now

[late swallow]

i should stop instigating

[glass mortar]

should still be a net gain but this is just generic dps not aoe vs st

[vivid vessel]

legit everytime i say outlaw is worse on ptr than live

[late swallow]

you guys are both goats

[vivid vessel]

he just say im shit at the game

• this fucker

[proven ocean]

I didnt

[vivid vessel]

cant understand

[proven ocean]

What

[vivid vessel]

basic math

[glass mortar]

i mean law is worse on ptr then live relative to other specs

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

how could it not be, it has 17% nerfs rn

[vivid vessel]

then he spam dented emotes

[glass mortar]

most people are the same or stronger

[vivid vessel]

and xdd emotes

and gaslight you

into thinking

[proven ocean]

When did i say that i only said u probably misplayed

[vivid vessel]

you shouldnt get mad

now stfu

legit stop interacting with me

[proven ocean]

@late swallow Am i wrong

[vivid vessel]

only interact with me

when

you wont

be an annoying

asshole

[proven ocean]

Like im confused why hes crashing out

[vivid vessel]

please

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-sunny-stressed-out-parents-fighting-gif-9074805075882871234

[vivid vessel]

so we can keep being normal people

[mighty pivot]

wdym you started this

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix tell him to relax or something idk

[upbeat tundra]

valid crashout after getting gapped by the tank 3 times

[late swallow]

[fossil lintel]

We're on a discord for outlaw rogues in wow, normal people went off the table quite a while ago

[gaunt phoenix]

you both are gonna crash out and block each other

[mighty pivot]

is discord shitting itself and not showing emojis?