outlaw

[proven ocean]

not me

[mighty pivot]

they are making an anime about that comeback

[vivid vessel]

his healer tought my spec was dogshit

and zeross thought my spec was dogshit

[covert kestrel]

Ross_irl

[proven ocean]

i didn't want to kick zac really

[vivid vessel]

now its op apparetnly

[proven ocean]

especially at the end i tried to really play with him

but

[glass mortar]

wheres my born again in an mmorpg universe but my class got nerfed anime

[vivid vessel]

even when im doing 30% more damage than everyone

people call my spec dogshit

[jolly geyser]

Who got more viewers on average? Thats the real winner

[vivid vessel]

not even a lie btw

[proven ocean]

my healer said we cant play with outlaw and shit and then quit playing

so we cant even play now so

[glass mortar]

i mean its just the outlaw effect man

[vivid vessel]

yes

i know

but its my point tho

[sudden fulcrum]

lob healer

[covert kestrel]

Skill issue

[glass mortar]

u cant really make arguments for outlaw being more op in the modern game then s3 df/this season

[vivid vessel]

you cant just do normal spec damage

if you do

[late swallow]

being over 50 points head of the next rogue as outlaw is so based

[glass mortar]

and nobody ever fuckin plays it

[vivid vessel]

you are not a real spec

[glass mortar]

regardless

[proven ocean]

i mean sin+outlaw had some issues but we could've done all sorts of keys anyway

[vivid vessel]

eh

[proven ocean]

especially with the new routes we did towards the end

we made priory work i believe

which was nice

[vivid vessel]

issues

we could have done anything

[proven ocean]

one of the early 20 priory's in the world

[late swallow]

i bet the ross-zac chemistry makes up for the double rogue

[vivid vessel]

bad mentality

[sharp hinge]

[mighty pivot]

yeah ok but what is worse on a pizza, pineapple or banana?

[proven ocean]

idk u should try talking to my healer

[glass mortar]

banana

[vivid vessel]

im good

[proven ocean]

if u wanna hear the worst mentality

[vivid vessel]

no

[late swallow]

easily banana

[sharp hinge]

you should be tarred and feathered if you put banana on pizza

[proven ocean]

because u know that i didnt try to be an asshole zac

[vivid vessel]

I know

[glass mortar]

i just hate mushy banana and if u bake a banana improperly its gunna be mushy

[mighty pivot]

isn't that like half the swedish population?

[glass mortar]

and what pizza place is gunna know how to put a banana on it

[proven ocean]

ngl i enjoy pushing with you alot anyway

if it weren't for you i would've stopped before u joined too

ngl

[dawn talon]

banana on pizza is garbage

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-council-star-wars-council-has-spoken-gif-17632756

[vivid vessel]

im just saying you thought my spec was dogshit, and your healer thought my spec was dogshit, all the while i was doing 30% more damage than everyone

[dawn talon]

but lwk honey roasted plantains on pizza

[vivid vessel]

and im not blaming you for that

[stable furnace]

[proven ocean]

it was quite bad at that time zac

[dawn talon]

yall sleeping on it

[vivid vessel]

idc

[dawn talon]

not even trolling

[vivid vessel]

just saying

my spec is dogshit

so it needs to do more damage

[glass mortar]

zac probably agrees that his spec is dogshit

WELP

[vivid vessel]

otherwise its litteraly

useless

[late swallow]

[hybrid crown]

I was thinking banana chips on a dessert style pizza too id try it

[sudden fulcrum]

what part was bad if he was gapping everyone?

[vivid vessel]

nothing changed

[proven ocean]

well

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

u need certain damage profiles for some pulls

outlaw has no flexibility at all

[proven ocean]

well

we had issues not fixing the comp

[glass mortar]

u kinda do damage everywhere but u cant focus damage anywhere

[proven ocean]

when we fixed it

[proven ocean]

our healer decided no

[vivid vessel]

no burst, no uncapped damage nothing

[proven ocean]

and moved on

[vivid vessel]

thats why

outlaw is bad

if its not doing damage

[glass mortar]

i mean everytime i step up a key level (looking at 17s now)

[vivid vessel]

im sorry but outlaw doing the damage it does on live

[glass mortar]

i feel like im hard trolling in cindybrew

[vivid vessel]

is normal

it shjould be doing that damage

[glass mortar]

especially since so many pugs die in that first room

[vivid vessel]

also not to brag

but im the best outalw player in the world

[glass mortar]

so when we die with me doing my hardest to maintain 10-12m dps

[vivid vessel]

if i cant do damage

who can

so let me do damage

ty

[glass mortar]

and any uncapped spec is at 15-20m

it do look like im trolling

[proven ocean]

for this season only

[sharp hinge]

CHAD

[glass mortar]

and i am making the key harder in that room playing law

[vivid vessel]

you playing next season ?

im not worried

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

still better noob

[proven ocean]

but when i played you weren't the best

[sharp hinge]

Zac is mewing on all of us right now, i love it

[proven ocean]

besides as a matter of fact, we both did exactly the same dps

[vivid vessel]

false

[proven ocean]

and i dont recall you gapping me towards when we pushed at the end

[vivid vessel]

the only key that matters

[proven ocean]

yes

[vivid vessel]

i won

conclusion

[proven ocean]

no

[vivid vessel]

?

im better

[proven ocean]

?

[glass mortar]

i mean ive always said outlaw is one of those specs that needs to be overtuned to see even a reasonable amount of play in dungeons/raids

[mighty pivot]

[proven ocean]

wdym "the only key that mettered"

we did like

100+ keys

[glass mortar]

zac is saying we might be overtuned on live, but we still arent even op

[vivid vessel]

only one mattered

you know it

[glass mortar]

and if we are just "tuned to be average on ptr" then thats a nerf

[vivid vessel]

the 30 tott

[glass mortar]

and like nobody will play the spec on the high end

[proven ocean]

if u mean throne 30, my healer killed me like 4 times

that key

[vivid vessel]

dont care

[proven ocean]

i was ahead before dying btw

by a good amount too

[vivid vessel]

bro you know whats crazy @glass mortar

[sudden fulcrum]

but you died so you lost

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

we destroyed these keys as triple outlaw back in the day right

and still

the tank

wouldnt play cause meme comp

cause meme spec

[proven ocean]

ye

[glass mortar]

we had a season outlaw was so strong u guys were legit doing highest end keys as triple law

[vivid vessel]

what more do you wnat

[glass mortar]

and still this spec wasnt fotm

and zero people played it

crazy spec tbh

[proven ocean]

the tank didnt want to play with us when outlaw was doing same as live without raid buffs btw

bro

we did

outlaw live dmg

without buffs

only mw buff

xdd

we didnt need brewmaster

no feral

no warrior

[sharp hinge]

cuz people suck and dont know how to play it, but idk dont quote me

[proven ocean]

just triple outlaw doing 30% more than everything

[glass mortar]

sure i agree, outlaw is hard and a mess and has so many hangups on the way it does damage

[proven ocean]

well ye we did r1 key 1st attempt btw

[glass mortar]

compared to pre target capping

[proven ocean]

we 1shotted 31 AD

and multiple +30s

EARLY ON

[glass mortar]

so many nagging points people dont wanna try it nor play it

[proven ocean]

and still

he didnt want to play with us

the tank ^

super cringe

[glass mortar]

which is funny cause u can tune it to just be bussin in raid and m+ and it doesnt matter

[proven ocean]

ngl

@vivid vessel its crazy to me that we 1 shot everything that day

and he still didnt want

to play

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean fact checked

[proven ocean]

btw zac im sure +31 throne was doable

[vivid vessel]

me dead

[proven ocean]

dont u find it crazy

[glass mortar]

when bm pulls the numbers law can pull this season overall its like 20% of the entire playerbase i swear

same for ret (it just always is tho)

[proven ocean]

skill issue

why did u die

[vivid vessel]

idk i died on boss

i dont rememebr why

but you didnt even die in combat tho

[proven ocean]

i died during ER bug

way too bad

i ER bugged everything i could in that key

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

still got fked by healer

[proven ocean]

bro i even said it on voice

dont forget to ER bug

[sharp hinge]

bring out the measuring tape, lets settle this

[proven ocean]

it was on the knock boss

[vivid vessel]

fact checked like a noob

i need a nap brb

[proven ocean]

go check the fact

before talking because i did ER bug

but we died

nearly a wipe

[glass mortar]

er bug was at least 20% dps overall in keys, this has been facts with zac and zeross

you heard it here first

[vivid vessel]

yeop yep

insane damage

infinite dmaage holy shmoly

[proven ocean]

ngl ER bug was big but not 200k dps as what zerocool was gaslightingt

[glass mortar]

and now hes abusing it once again

[proven ocean]

it was rly big

[glass mortar]

man never learns

[vivid vessel]

nah but it wasnt big tho

its litteraly the same today

[glass mortar]

it was like 2-3% maybe

[vivid vessel]

and it still nothing

[glass mortar]

5% on some keys?

[vivid vessel]

5???

[glass mortar]

maybe????

[vivid vessel]

bro in what key

[glass mortar]

that might be too much

[vivid vessel]

is it 5

give me the sauce bro

[proven ocean]

10-15% dps for that specific pull ur 6 buffing

i'd say its big but

[glass mortar]

i was thinking the shit rp mega dungeon keys

[proven ocean]

overall its 3-5%

maybe

[glass mortar]

where u had like 30s of running between shit

spamming SnD

[vivid vessel]

bro its not even close to 5%

you guys wilding hardd

[proven ocean]

in dungeons like rise i think its way higher than 5%

[late swallow]

was casualaddict the buyer?

[vivid vessel]

ye ok

[glass mortar]

nah rise 5% at most

[vivid vessel]

nah

[glass mortar]

way less in most keys

[vivid vessel]

nah

[glass mortar]

probably not even 5% tho

[proven ocean]

i mean

[vivid vessel]

i legit think you guys dont get it

[proven ocean]

we were playing perfectly me and zac

[vivid vessel]

but its ok

[proven ocean]

in all keys we did same BTE's

rng was around 20-25 BTEs

sometimes 30

so sometimes i have 30 more BTEs

sometimes zac

[vivid vessel]

I always did one more bte than him guys

[sharp hinge]

is that the bug some outlaws gone banned doing?

[vivid vessel]

Fact check it

[proven ocean]

?!?!

[vivid vessel]

No

[proven ocean]

zac

remember when i gapped u in every key in s1 DF

and s2 DF

good old days or

[vivid vessel]

I don't actually

Nice try tho

[proven ocean]

i do

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

i played HO in s2 and u played KiR

[vivid vessel]

Proof or fake

[proven ocean]

every key was

10-15% more dps

[glass mortar]

yea zac got banned for a whole season for it

[proven ocean]

and in s1 we both played HO

[vivid vessel]

Proof or fake

[proven ocean]

i still won every key

[glass mortar]

err, the other top outlaw streamer

[vivid vessel]

Proof or fake ?

[glass mortar]

any outlaw streamer?

[vivid vessel]

No one

Lol

[glass mortar]

(nobody ever got banned for that bug afaik)

blizz just talked a mean game

they were angry

[proven ocean]

hmm

wait then

time to pull up the archives

brb

[glass mortar]

i wish the pirate trinket had lasted as long as coup bug

i wanted at least 2 weeks to have fun with that nonsense

ig i coulda discovered it earlier

gotten a few PI logs for the meme

woulda been great

[vivid vessel]

Isn't it crazy tho

We had this trinket + coup bug

And outlaw was still bad

💀

[desert tendon]

is pirate trinket the name your wife give you or what?

[glass mortar]

ew gross

oh wait pride month is over

[vapid blaze]

that trinket was so good

[desert tendon]

LOL

true it s over

wait

if there is a pride month

[glass mortar]

yea my wife calls me her noggenfucker allright

😠

then i yell something about haste scaling

[desert tendon]

does that mean the 11 other months are straight months?

[craggy barn]

we need trickster bug to be viable again zac

the s1 bug

[glass mortar]

trickster bug is how outlaw should always play!!!!!!

me when i just ignore the whole rotation and mash finishers

[desert tendon]

that s outlaw in a nutshell

[glass mortar]

me when i cant even optimize my bug abuse

and pick the laziest engagement with it

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

only log i could find

20k more dps

crazy or

thats a gap if u ask me

[sharp hinge]

what dps specs have good damage profiles

[glass mortar]

most of them

[sharp hinge]

really?

[glass mortar]

pretty much any cd spec u can pick ur flavor of cd timings

yes

[sharp hinge]

anything in specific though?

[glass mortar]

most specs in the game have CD spike style damage profiles of various levels

[vivid vessel]

Only found one log that isn't even a real key probably some random ptr thing

Very sussy if you ask me

[proven ocean]

no

[glass mortar]

arms warrior with a decent cd strength and a strong execute is a pretty good one

[proven ocean]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T3Xvqjmb2RLDPMnr?fight=3&type=damage-done

[shy pecan]

As I just learned that pala freedom immunes the overseer knockback dmg in DFC and KS making us immune to movement abilities, does that mean KS also immunes the dmg from the knockback?

[proven ocean]

not ptr

look it up

enjoy

[glass mortar]

the dfc guys u can immune with first 2s of vanish buff (dont break it) or kspree

anything that makes u immune to roots makes u not take damage from it

[shy pecan]

actually good to know

so you can just blindly ks instead of having to be careful about the knockback

ty

[proven ocean]

actually we never played together in s1 zac

it was only s2

[glass mortar]

as long as ur sure it wont end during...

but yea

[vivid vessel]

I died you didn't, and that was a weekly btw

Weeklies don't count

[proven ocean]

im 100% sure that i gapped you on every key we played btw

always 10-30%

[vivid vessel]

Try something else bozo

[proven ocean]

and then you realized KiR sucks

and you didnt want to admit it

[vivid vessel]

I don't remember

[proven ocean]

you remember more than me probably

[vivid vessel]

I think you are legit inventing stuffs rn

I don't remember playing kir before it was good

[proven ocean]

find 1 log where u did more dps than me

in s2

[sudden fulcrum]

imagination gapped gg

[vivid vessel]

I was for fun I remember doing that

[proven ocean]

im 100% sure you never managed to do it

[vivid vessel]

But that's litteraly it

[fluid iron]

best df s2 memory is zac loosing his mind inside of FH

[vivid vessel]

I played ho all of s2

I remember cause that was mastery stacking ho with br

[sudden fulcrum]

i'm not 100% sure about anything. i'm envious of this level of confidence

[glass mortar]

all i remember from that season was zac and ross getting gapped by some gigachad named tompelvis?

other then that its a fever dream

[vivid vessel]

Freehold? Why

[proven ocean]

i think you're extremely delusional that your the best outlaw in every season because its only now because no one is playing it

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[proven ocean]

not me, not casual, not jpc and anythng too is just as good

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

if u find any other rogue that can do real dmg lmk

i'll wait

you wont find anyone

[vivid vessel]

Mad cause low io

Brb nap still

[sudden fulcrum]

LOW ENERGY

[proven ocean]

mad cuz KiR was bad

[proven ocean]

was gonna say take coffee before nap but u dont drink coffee

i like coffee before nap

[fluid iron]

your target capped comp, with fury warrior in freehold having to split pulls

[proven ocean]

feels nice

[glass mortar]

feel like i remember everyone trending towards kir towards end of s3 because we realized it was just better in dungeons

[covert kestrel]

Adhd symptom btw

[shy pecan]

before or after you inject monster energy into your veins?

[proven ocean]

redesign made it better weran

[vivid vessel]

Hm but freehold wasnt really uncapped or

[proven ocean]

thats why it became good weran

[vivid vessel]

I don't remember honestly

[glass mortar]

yes s3

[fluid iron]

it was

[glass mortar]

we talkin s3 right

[proven ocean]

no, before was s2

HO was way better in s2

[fluid iron]

after first boss you did a massive pull where casters stood on theroof

[proven ocean]

not even close kind of better

[glass mortar]

uhh in dungeons yea

[fluid iron]

which you guys couldnt do

[vivid vessel]

Hm

I see

[glass mortar]

wasnt there some abomination of a st build in raid

[dawn talon]

dude i was legit getting

[glass mortar]

that was kir with find weakness and audacity

[dawn talon]

brain tumors when ppl were saying that

hoooly

[vivid vessel]

I was bad back then tho ngl stealthi

[glass mortar]

and u used ambush procs to maintain FW

[vivid vessel]

I'm better now

[glass mortar]

am i remembering this right

[vivid vessel]

I would just make another route

[proven ocean]

i dont think KiR was better in raid either but i didnt raid that tier so

[vivid vessel]

That works for us

[proven ocean]

i kinda did but

i stopped mid way

and then swapped to sub

cuz it was better

[vivid vessel]

It was better in raid

[glass mortar]

yea i think u were HO in dungeons s2

[vivid vessel]

I remember

Kir db

Dance

[proven ocean]

ye i was , i hated KiR before rework

[vivid vessel]

I only remember playing kir in weeklies for fun

But I remember playing ho all season

[proven ocean]

i remember everything ngl

[vivid vessel]

So idk what's up with that

You don't

[proven ocean]

i have a good memory zac

on these things

[vivid vessel]

You litteraly don't

Brb nap

[proven ocean]

you were ignorant that HO was better because it wasn't you played like 10 keys throughout 2-3 weeks then realized it sucked balls

[hybrid crown]

I do recall HO always being the best one

[proven ocean]

so u swapped to HO

u were KiR only early on

[hybrid crown]

Every time

[proven ocean]

even in ur "high keys"

[vivid vessel]

10 keys ?

[fluid iron]

last time we had a memory discussion was when zeross thought he knew why zac got demoted

[proven ocean]

we did play alot yes

even morem aybe

[vivid vessel]

Wdym

[proven ocean]

maybe*

[vivid vessel]

I mean idk that sounds mega cooked again

[proven ocean]

we played alot zac idk how u doint remember

[vivid vessel]

But I don't expect much

[proven ocean]

u always forget zac

its ok tho i forget too

[vivid vessel]

I don't

Excellent memory

[proven ocean]

im serious about this btw

u were convinced KIR was better

because it simmed like

the same if not 1% better

forgot the sim tho

but

[vivid vessel]

Remember when you died in everbloom at 20min35s on third boss cause you didn't feint before the bolt and we depleted

I remember

[proven ocean]

it was marginally bad in real keys

vs in sims

[proven ocean]

you should've kicked

your mistake

i trusted but

gg

not trustworthy zac

unlucky

[vivid vessel]

Nah my kicked had 5s cd still

I remember

[fluid iron]

nah thats a violation with time stamp and everything

[proven ocean]

no no

[fluid iron]

bros got receipts

[proven ocean]

u should've kicked earlier

[vivid vessel]

Only you had a kick ready

[proven ocean]

to have it up zac

ur fault

ye i was waiting on ur kick

[vivid vessel]

Nah bro

I remember

[late swallow]

holy

[proven ocean]

why didnt u come to my PC and press feint instead of me

are u that bad?

[vivid vessel]

Washed up

[late swallow]

these mfs are plumbing the archives for receipts

[vivid vessel]

Brb nap

[proven ocean]

go take ur nap holy shit u said u wanted a nap 1 hour ago

HERE

[vivid vessel]

Napping rn

[proven ocean]

HES BACK AGAIN

cant wait for his next brb nap

[fluid iron]

that coming from you zeross is wild

[proven ocean]

[late swallow]

bro does 2 min power naps

[fluid iron]

mr "time to bedge"

then still yaps 3 hours later

[proven ocean]

i mean

[fluid iron]

it is what it is

[pliant wind]

[glass mortar]

zac was just anticipating the late game scaling of kir glowup in s3

he was on the fad before all the posers bought into it

back when kir was ambushing for FW!!!!

[proven ocean]

outlaw was easy to play perfect

[fluid iron]

bro was rdy 6 months in advance for the rework

[proven ocean]

best ER bug abuser in the world right here btw

[glass mortar]

now thats an outright lie

[proven ocean]

#bringbackERbug

[glass mortar]

zacs hands literally use the ER bug while he naps probably

[proven ocean]

even zac knows this

[glass mortar]

ingrained muscle memory

ok but u compared to him over this expac + last?

[fluid iron]

best memory of ER bug

[proven ocean]

casualaddict and gingi called me the best bug abuser in the world

[glass mortar]

have u seen his recent keys

he doin it to this day

[fluid iron]

was casual loosing his mind about twitch chatters asking the question every 5seconds

[proven ocean]

i dont think u realize weran that i was doing it after every pull

[proven ocean]

i do it too

so

did it yesterday as a matter of fact

[glass mortar]

sure but u didnt play law last season nor for a large part of this one

hes got 2 whole outlaw seasons on u to catchup er bugging bozo

[shy pecan]

but do you do it while drinking coffee midnap?

[proven ocean]

what does that make him any better if i was doing it perfectly

and i still am

[fluid iron]

zeross does it while snorting redbulls

he is a diff kind of animal

[glass mortar]

wdym doing it perfectly, ER bug is easy

[shy pecan]

I see

[glass mortar]

we are comparing raw bug abuse metrics

who can abuse the hardest

[proven ocean]

if u say so, i dont recall zac and casual doing it as often as i did

not even halfway

no offense to any of them

good outlaws

[glass mortar]

thats cause they didnt value it as highly prob

i mean we know they didnt

zac still thinks the bug was like 1-2% dps at most

u thought it was more then 5% in some keys

[proven ocean]

in keys like Rise yes

u went to each platform with 6 buffs

rather than no AR no rtb sometimes

i was very good at dpsing rise tbh

because of it

i loved bug abusing it

would totally do it again

[keen belfry]

er bug lwas lit

but was rightfully removed

[proven ocean]

nope

wrongfully

whoever disliked it sucked at using it

and didnt value it correctly

[stuck sparrow]

redbull is such a mid caffeine hit

compared to most other brands

[proven ocean]

name 1

but i do agree

redbull isn't that strong

but

redbull is best to add on top of a normal caffiene content

to make it potent

[stuck sparrow]

its only 80mg

[keen belfry]

i loved it and thought it should be removed, its not part of how the game was designed to work

[stuck sparrow]

even monster is 160

[proven ocean]

ye monster has more but it tastes bad, only the white one tastes decent

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[keen belfry]

like i also hate the kujo change they made, but i mean it made sense to fix that fight

[vivid vessel]

Nap was good

[stuck sparrow]

Does ross drink default redbull

[vivid vessel]

Time to play wow

[stuck sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[proven ocean]

u think too much i think in ur naps

[vivid vessel]

Ross drink cumbull

[proven ocean]

zac im an expert napper

if u nap early like

10 mins

thjat means u think alot

15 mins means

u nap very very well

is that right

?

i had some outlaw thoughts in ur nap

[vivid vessel]

while thinking

[proven ocean]

maybe try to nap thoughtless

[vivid vessel]

napping *

i tought of that key

where you got gapped

by an assa player

was so funny

[proven ocean]

that never happened

[vivid vessel]

you remember >?

it did

[proven ocean]

u used details WA

noob

[vivid vessel]

we linked the details for an entire month

good times

[proven ocean]

besides assa is not an overall class

noob

[vivid vessel]

@fluid iron even stealthi remembers

[stuck sparrow]

I need a details wa

[proven ocean]

its a funnel spec

bozo master69

[stuck sparrow]

that works with lowercase names

patch broke mine

[proven ocean]

GUYS LOOOL THE SPEC THATS SUPPOSED TO NOT BE TOP DPS ISNT TOP DPS

HAHAHAHA NO CAPPI SHEEEEEEEEEEEESH

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

MY NAME IS ZAC TOO

[vivid vessel]

you lost as outlaw vs assa

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

against a random

i remember

[proven ocean]

oh

fuck

i mean

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

bro

[vivid vessel]

was a tott

in s3

[proven ocean]

he saved kingsbane

for last boss

amp

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

50000000000% dmg amp

thats not fair

[vivid vessel]

haha

[proven ocean]

???????????

[vivid vessel]

still lost

[proven ocean]

bro

i was like 30% ahead

wdym

[vivid vessel]

now you remembr

[glass mortar]

ross

stop

why?

[proven ocean]

dont stop me

wtf weran

[glass mortar]

how often has zac been gapped by randos

[proven ocean]

idk

[glass mortar]

it happens

[proven ocean]

he wasn't a random btw

[glass mortar]

hes just trolling u cause he knows ull bite

[proven ocean]

he was a good rogue

[glass mortar]

ok so even less bad

??????????

who cares

[proven ocean]

i know him personally

[glass mortar]

only reason he bring it up is to get u to bite

[proven ocean]

very good rogue

but

i was 30% ahead

and

he saved his cds

for a useless phase

a fucking 1000000000% dmg amp phase

??!?!

[glass mortar]

u dont need to prove anything to us man

we all saw u were the r1 rogue io before zac decided he cared and took it away from you

(that last part was a meme but you didnt bite so im proud o u)

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

remember zerossussy

[vivid vessel]

i dont

[proven ocean]

tompelvis the legend

best outlaw of all time

[glass mortar]

peak outlaw discord arc was when zac was asking ross to name change because he was doing so many keys as tompelvis people started to mistake them on the high end

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

i did so much dps tho

[vivid vessel]

annoying af

this fucker

[proven ocean]

i was literally on my outlaw prime days

i gapped gingi so hard that week

it was so funny

[fluid iron]

what do i remember?

[proven ocean]

i played so perfectly that day ngl

0 mistakes

[vivid vessel]

just say you do

[proven ocean]

entire day

[fluid iron]

ive got a shit memory for stuff i dont really care about

[vivid vessel]

makes zeross mad for free

[fluid iron]

well its not that hard to annoy him

[daring oxide]

is this reducing KS delay between hits

[vivid vessel]

yues

[daring oxide]

jesus

its a 8% dps increase to bring it to 200ms

wtf

[vivid vessel]

yes

[daring oxide]

maybe just send KS to 300ms then

[vivid vessel]

turn out outlaw dont like afking

[stray star]

no changes this week ?

[proven ocean]

ur rly bad at annoying ppl stealthi ngl

same with every mod in this server all they do is mute and they look like clowns afterwards

which i find super funny

[proven ocean]

except you stealthi

ur a real one

most sane mod

[late swallow]

stealthi and guy are based

[proven ocean]

true

[late swallow]

i like solo too

[proven ocean]

and real

[late swallow]

but I don't think solo likes me

[proven ocean]

fuu too

rest are all oven cooked

notrickz is a gigachad

[vivid vessel]

ncie

love wow

[proven ocean]

tryhardbozo69XD

[vivid vessel]

will take mye 400 keys on my alt

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

to get crests

[proven ocean]

why dont they let us mail it

like

[vivid vessel]

gg

[late swallow]

how's the nap zac btw

[vivid vessel]

yep

[proven ocean]

its annoying

[vivid vessel]

lasted 10 min

too short

but no tiome

[proven ocean]

they should let us

mail to alt

even if its 50%

still huge

[vivid vessel]

yep

but they wont

[proven ocean]

like cmon cookedzzard

its more fun to farm on main

than on alt

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar when is next season dropping

[proven ocean]

even if it takes x2 longer idcv

idc*

[proven ocean]

isn't it after 6-7 weeks

since ptr tests end before that

[red zinc]

world first guilds i guess idk

[late swallow]

there's more than a month of this season left

[red zinc]

theyd have quatrillion alts

[late swallow]

i don't get why they haven't dropped legion remix already

it would soak up this drought perfectly

[proven ocean]

because

[red zinc]

becuase legion remix is for next seasons drought

[proven ocean]

ye next season draught is gonna suck alot more

[late swallow]

bruh I thought that shit was supposed to come out before season 3

[proven ocean]

i lied

s2 sucks more

than s3

s2 is always the bad season

and i still live up to that

[late swallow]

unironically true

df s2 was ass

[proven ocean]

i really wouldn't have enjoyed m+ this season if i wasn't in army beforehand

i just wanted to play wow

[late swallow]

raid bad, m+ rotation was bad

[proven ocean]

not the season

season is unironically bad

but i did enjoy it alot tho

[late swallow]

undermine was pretty fun though ngl

better than aberrus

[proven ocean]

sure but its a bad raid imo

way better than aberrus

but

still not a good raid imo

i give it 4/10

[late swallow]

i liked it more than nerubar ngl

[proven ocean]

sure

nerubar was worse

3.5/10 for me

no

3/10

would love to give it lower than that but 3 is for effort

so

last good raid we had was amirdrassil and vault in DF

[late swallow]

i was gonna ask

[proven ocean]

vault being 8/10 or more idk and

amirdrassil 8/10 too

[late swallow]

yeah honestly voti was sick

voti was probs my fav DF raid

[proven ocean]

ye

easily

@vivid vessel

they're doing priory timer looks insanely good

for their comp that part should end rly fast

[vivid vessel]

ok

why do you send me that tho

[glass mortar]

Didn't they announce it already

[vivid vessel]

idk

[glass mortar]

I havent been following wowhead

No time

[vivid vessel]

im asking for an estimate

usually you know

my working harrasing me

to take days off

[random stirrup]

August 12 no 🧢

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[proven ocean]

ok i wont send anything again

[glass mortar]

if they havent announced it yet then my money is on the reset the week after this timewalking event ends

[keen belfry]

no lie

i just ripped ass

holy

brb

[late swallow]

when the fart so good you gotta tab into discord and share

[keen belfry]

literally

im back btw

[random stirrup]

That is my reasoning for aug 12

[violet ferry]

Do I just go Girdle of Shattered Dreams?
Kind of a troll that I get 2 belts and a bad trinket 😛

[covert kestrel]

Don't fucking talk down on grim codex you slut

[violet ferry]

Grim Codex owes me money

[covert kestrel]

What else allows you to play survival hunter as outlaw???? I fucking LOVE cones

[violet ferry]

he'll yeah bruther

[proven ocean]

even qingxinsmile changes bnet

i guess everyone of them buys accounts even him

he changes bnet accounts every ptr cycle

chinese market is kinda funny ngl

[sudden fulcrum]

why

[proven ocean]

best mages with good rng

from first few weeks

with vault and stuff

and they just pick that mage from week 2 instantly from best vault

and start with that

[sudden fulcrum]

you can do that with one account though right?

[proven ocean]

they buy the entire account

so it doesnt matter

[covert kestrel]

Chinese gaming morals be wild sometimes

[snow vessel]

This is the greatest compliment you could give me Zeross

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel thoughts? @covert kestrel

[proven ocean]

never saw u before ronkley

rare spawn

[violet ferry]

Tompelvross

[proven ocean]

Tompelross

?

[snow vessel]

I mostly just lurk and respond if someone says something is happening

Can't give as much advice anymore cuz I don't play rog anymore

[proper bear]

Solid work on the tier set article

[proven ocean]

I see

can relate to many other people who stopped playing rogue

dark times for such a great class

[snow vessel]

I can't play outlaw perma so just rerolled

[glass mortar]

understandable

[haughty wigeon]

hi ronkley

what do u think of the new killing spree?

[haughty wigeon]

real

[proven ocean]

wait

no way its rem again

[proven ocean]

u keep changing ur CV everyday

cooked rem guy

[snow vessel]

I think it looks sick

[haughty wigeon]

pog me too

[proven ocean]

u know what rem

i might uncook you

[haughty wigeon]

i mean ya, i always change my pfp

[proven ocean]

ur not that cooked anymore how about that

[haughty wigeon]

yay

[steady crane]

Hi, so how is the new KS on ptr? Seem a good change?

[glass mortar]

its better then live gameplay wise

its got some issues on ptr we hope are addressed tho

[haughty wigeon]

@vivid vessel r u ready for another ptr patch? and for mafic to eclipse all good feedback with more sctizo rambling

[steady crane]

I didn't see the new one, even animation, can look funny tho. What are the issues?

[glass mortar]

its not strong enough and its cast time is too long

[proven ocean]

surely rogue buffs in 40 mins

suuuuurely

or?

[glass mortar]

also its currently optimal to cancel it for a different ability because of how its implemented which feels abit silly

the way it targets is a bit questionable as well design wise

[steady crane]

yeah but cast time is safe now ? or we're still "locked"?

[fresh acorn]

Rogue buffs come after the real DK raid buff

[steady crane]

xD

[glass dew]

i never play outlaw and have a buddy asking me about BF in M+ are you popping it on ST enemies?

[glass mortar]

oh we are safe from it killing us. it might just be bad to play

bf doesnt do anything on st

[worldly shale]

no

if pure st

[glass mortar]

but it probably wont time out either unless u get unlucky so itll just stay up from previous stuff

[hybrid crown]

They should make grapple hook work like death grip just to make dks mad

[glass dew]

thank you i assumed that as well but wanted to make sure i gave him the correct info

[fossil lintel]

It's generally up because AR uptime keeps it up, but we don't press it on pure ST

[steady crane]

Honnestly i play a lot bdk, i feel like i'm getting punishement because my 2 brothers are doing shit

[craggy barn]

bro

the bf fix they did this season

fucked farming old raids

wtf

[jolly geyser]

[craggy barn]

killing things so fast the damage doesnt flurry

[haughty wigeon]

spec into blade rush

[fossil lintel]

Swap to sin, fok around and find out

[craggy barn]

yea but then no grapple

so

[fossil lintel]

True sin feels like playing an old lady

[worldly shale]

Is there catchup for gallagio club?
i skipped a week was lazy

[fossil lintel]

Why are you killing trash though, just stealth true it

[verbal pike]

Yeah, you can earn 5k rep a week from a full clear

[fossil lintel]

There isn't a catch up if you're late you're fucked. If you miss one or two weeks it's fine.

It's a terrible design that fucks anyone who wants to come back mid season

[jolly geyser]

just 2 weeks left and I dont have to do raid

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel charged crystal got some flags added in a hotfix, maybe fixed it from disappearing

[vivid vessel]

dont care not playing this shit

[mighty pivot]

guys is it true?

[vivid vessel]

i have ptsd

[gaunt phoenix]

[frank finch]

dont care not playing this shit

[fossil lintel]

What is that person even talking about? Was there any changes to the faq recently?

[gaunt phoenix]

i wasnt here at the start of the season

[vivid vessel]

I dont remember faq being outdated meaningfully even when i was doing it

[sudden fulcrum]

the unpaid volunteers are not updating the FAQ fast enough

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think it was a month tho

[median lance]

Damn so you're saying that they're deleting rogue

[nimble sage]

if i am doing ST with the m+ trickster HO spec, I follow the wowhead priority for ST but just ignore ghostly strike, right?

[gaunt phoenix]

@loud blaze is that you

slandering me online !

[mighty pivot]

yes if you don't run GS the rest remains the same

[fossil lintel]

Are we getting a new ptr build today?

[gaunt phoenix]

prob not on tuesdays

[frank finch]

the dun testing blue post said new dun pool 2marrow

so prolly then

[fossil lintel]

Last build was last Tuesday no?

[gaunt phoenix]

it was

true

I thought tuesday builds were rare

[fossil lintel]

Okay, let's start betting, how many weeks until any of our feedback gets addressed? I say we only get more changes 4 weeks from now

[violet ferry]

is 'never' an option?

[fossil lintel]

Yes

[gaunt phoenix]

Bad vibes man

optimism

[gleaming lagoon]

They changed KS two times, the ptr for outlaw already ended

[fossil lintel]

We have to doom or guy won't have anything to be mad at

[cloud imp]

is it worth crafting main hand or not?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it is

[fossil lintel]

Realz said they're looking at trickster 2 set

[gaunt phoenix]

only time crafting outlaw MH is weird is if you need to multispec at the start of tier

[covert kestrel]

realz also said he was gonna take me trick or treating this year and look who was out getting drunk and smashing pumpkins again

[loud blaze]

Forgive me, senpai. I was salty this morning.

[gaunt phoenix]

Are you talking about the beginning of the tier when I wasn't here or something more recent?

[frail veldt]

Yeah I think its objectively worse than just nerfing boss hp every week

fucks with parses too

and all star points

and its just annoying to upkeep

[loud blaze]

When you weren’t here. Ha

[gaunt phoenix]

okay I forgive you

[loud blaze]

None of the guides from icy veins, wowhead, or Method got updates until a couple weeks after the raid was out.

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, rogue discord is quite disorganized, we need to ask daily if the head enchant pin on sin channel is updated

[bright crane]

How DARE they!!!

[haughty wigeon]

where was this :)

[mighty pivot]

tier feedback article

[fallen knot]

how can i use elvui on ptr? it gives a billion lua errors and i legit cant play

[cinder relic]

Idt you can generally speaking

[fallen knot]

i remember using it some 3 or 4 expansions ago

[red zinc]

that is quite a while ago

[cinder relic]

8 years ago

[fallen knot]

ye but why would they remove it

[cinder relic]

Well it's about if elvui does updates or not

[mighty pivot]

guys I remember using ct mod just fine what happened

[cinder relic]

And with blizzard curbing addons in general maybe they can't be bothered to do it

Updating it for ptr that is

[mighty pivot]

I don't think there were that many changes to the addon api this ptr

[fallen knot]

ok fair enough

[mighty pivot]

but elvui is a monstrosity so it can fail in many ways

[fallen knot]

they just probably didnt update it or stopped updating it for ptr sometime ago

there is no ptr version on elvui website so idk

[late swallow]

Hey chat

[wintry solar]

Woke up this evening sad about inevitably losing current tier

Buff uptime gone :(

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple

i realized i had this without even trying

?

PrayerMaster69XD

[cinder relic]

FB gives u ld on cd basically

[wintry solar]

Yeah I suppose

But idk man, I want trickster to be better in keys while fb also being viable

And that feels like too much to ask

At least not a massive gap

[cinder relic]

Outlaw hero talents and builds have been diverse for years why would this szn be any different?

[haughty wigeon]

do i have bis now?

[glass mortar]

True having two viable hero talents is a lot to ask for

[late swallow]

woah pal slow down there

[compact snow]

As a new rogue, how much am I griefing myself by playing the KiR build, considering I've just reached 80 and havent played rogue since shadowlands.
I play dps, and only M+. I'm currently 3.5k rated so I'd consider myself atleast sort of competent. Should I play KiR to get used to it for later, or am I simply going to lose like a million overall if I do ?

[gaunt phoenix]

its fine

[fossil lintel]

KIR just wants a ton more haste, but just craft some rings and neck