outlaw

[dawn talon]

so much

[wintry solar]

An obscene amount

[dawn talon]

dude i thought

[proven ocean]

i respect him alot tho

[dawn talon]

euw high elo hated eachother

[proven ocean]

cool guy

good streams

[dawn talon]

until i started looking into wow pvp

[proven ocean]

but best player? idk about that

[dawn talon]

ye no he's like top 10 just fo r

being consistently high lvl for so long

but top 1 is insane take

[proven ocean]

sure but top 1 best player

is cooked

especially that he doesnt win that much

as ppl claim him to be "the best player in the world"

[idle scaffold]

Ok, who is your top 1 then?

[proven ocean]

if he was the best he'd always win

[lime lake]

me

smile

[proven ocean]

idk shelly as i said im not a pvper, i know that he doesnt win that often

so thats ur answer from me

[midnight granite]

Zeros still living off the gingi gap in ad

He's the best

[proven ocean]

i believe i still have the clip

1sec

[midnight granite]

Of course you do bro cmon

[dawn talon]

don't get me started on gingi (biggest fraud in esports history)

[midnight granite]

It's bookmarked

You watch it everyday

[proven ocean]

i dont have the clip of gingi calling me zeross my daddy tho

i have it as voice note in our server

idk how to download it from there

its kinda funny tho

[wintry solar]

Mes is the best

[midnight granite]

Most winning player you mean?

[wintry solar]

100%

[dawn talon]

it's like calling

wilt chamberlain

the goat of basketball

he's playing vs farmers man

[midnight granite]

Wilt Chamberlain is a goat bro

Cmon

[dawn talon]

wait team with infinite resources sponsored by r1 guild poaching players from everyone else perma and destabilizing every other roster in the region

is better?

wp

[midnight granite]

Gg

[wintry solar]

Dude sends fdk in tournys knowing he'll lose, for the dk rep.

[midnight granite]

All wow players are dogs change my mind

[wintry solar]

Real

Esp mages

[dawn talon]

if this game had bigger esports scene

[proven ocean]

3:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1kt0oEWKw&list=LL&index=57

[dawn talon]

we'd see better play

from some classes

[proven ocean]

3:45

[dawn talon]

i won't name names

[proven ocean]

zeross > jpc confirmed??

[dawn talon]

abt classes that are frequently tced and executed poorly

in the race

but you know which ones i mean !

[frail veldt]

The one trick dk player who makes WAs for his team to win tourneys with?

[wintry solar]

Yes

[lime lake]

name names coward

[idle scaffold]

I want to point out that all this happen because I glazed Pika

[wintry solar]

I saw your name typing and knew you were replying to me btw

You have to have an alarm set to whenever I say something

[frail veldt]

Mes seems like a nice guy but I hate him as a player

His entire play style is embodied by fdk dev

The most toxic comp in the game

[dawn talon]

evoker looks so unskilled in pvp

[wintry solar]

He's not the best for sure. But he's my favorite because he's good without the ego most big pvpers have.

[dawn talon]

but im smoothbrain

so idk it's just

[wintry solar]

And he plays dk

[frail veldt]

It is

[dawn talon]

like they just die in ur cds

or u next?

[glass mortar]

the one season i bothered getting legend in shuffle i did it on deva

and it was a great time

very very linear pvp gameplay tho

just do more damage then everyone always until someone dies

[wintry solar]

Buff outlaw

[glass mortar]

fuk i still havent unlocked my 2400 mogs this season

ive been so lazy

idk if i cba catching up pvp gear rn

[wintry solar]

Hit me with that big ol 20% daddy blizz

Make old KS a pvp talent

[glass mortar]

KS 100% needs a pvp talent

[wintry solar]

Unnerf imp bte

Dude

[glass mortar]

new KS went from being actually giga in pvp to being probably almost worthless

[wintry solar]

Unnerf restless blades

[glass mortar]

u will never get this thing off outside CC coverage if it does real damage

but u want to use ur cc coverage for crackshot goes xd

[wintry solar]

Yeah KS is so over

[glass mortar]

i guess u could setup for it but... it barely does more damage then half a crackshot

[wintry solar]

GS/KS is what got you kills anyway

For me at least

[glass mortar]

and the range of it is so funny they can literally just walk away from u and cancel half ur ability

before u can microposition back onto them

[wintry solar]

I've been telling my friend that I stg it feels like the best counter to outlaw is just walking away

When everyone has roots

And slows

[proven ocean]

guys

[wintry solar]

And ccs

[proven ocean]

sorry to u all but

i've been undercover making realz think outlaw is op in PTR

[glass mortar]

post acro it is possible to actually kite outlaw its been an unfun expec imo

[proven ocean]

to get us nerfed

sooo

ggood luck guys

no cappi

[glass mortar]

hmm what do i order for dinner i was ditched tonight

[wintry solar]

You have no idea how badly I want to run BR lol

Dang that sucks

[glass mortar]

its ok it was by my roommate to go out with his gf anyway

acceptable

but i gotta figure out food

[wintry solar]

What do you have

[cold jewel]

realz has seen you type in here way too much for all that ross

[wintry solar]

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

Even worse. You afk run away while your dk spams chains of ice until CDs are up again then go for another kill

So you put in like the lowest skill possible and the enemy team has to perfectly trade defensive or they lose

And the game lasts way too long

It's horrendous

[wintry solar]

Deva really like that?

[lime lake]

yeah its great

[wintry solar]

Well

I'd have to play a scalie

And a caster

I may join the legion of rets next season to shake things up idk

I'd play survival but I'm not great at trap placement

[glass mortar]

u dont play like that in random games/shuffle

but for the dedicated dk/devoker comp ya u kinda play like that

honestly dev does pretty good damage even between cds, but fdk does literally zero so

[late swallow]

@proven ocean banger new emojis

[proven ocean]

Ty

[wintry solar]

Rmp 2.0

[glass mortar]

well

rmp goes on like every stun dr

this is more like the enemy team all ins u then fafs about for 2 minutes while u frustratingly try to chase them

[wintry solar]

You can't deny the similarities though

[glass mortar]

then they finally engage u again with all cds up xd

[wintry solar]

Got I hate fighting evoker

Not as much as frost mage

Or arcane

[glass mortar]

i honestly hate evoker more

but thats just because mage doesnt have a freedom

frost mage with a paladin on their team is a nightmare as well

evoker will press hover once and if u waste ur time grappling onto them u will be out of range 0.5s later as they drift away while permaslowing u by 80%

[wintry solar]

Played against frost mage/spriest/hpal and I couldn't touch anything

That was the last arena I played as Outlaw too

[versed flint]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[unborn turtle]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[soft mica]

Vanish followed by Between the Eyes at 6 or more combo points while Adrenaline Rush is active AND ANY 1 of the following conditions is met. Adrenaline Rush has 3 or less seconds remaining. Vanish has 15 seconds remaining on overcapping. Killing Spree has 20 seconds left on cooldown. Supercharger is active.

Does the KS condition mean MORE than 20 secs or less than 20 secs? Also how do I track Supercharger, it's not a buff from what ive seen

[keen belfry]

more than 20

u dont want to sit on ks cd too much

[gaunt phoenix]

less than 20 xd

if KS is under 20 then you try not to vanish

[keen belfry]

i read wrong ignor eme

me

[gaunt phoenix]

because you cant KS during stealth, if you vanish when KS is nearly ready, then you will waste a bunch of ks cdr

[soft mica]

so less than 20 secs left on KS cast vanish into BTE if AR is up?

is that how you read that condition?

[keen belfry]

if ks has less than 20 i wouldnt vanish

unless ar falling off 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

okay maybe i read it wrong

[soft mica]

ok im more confused than before

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont use wowhead

#outlaw-faq

you vanish during AR.

you mostly vanish at high combo points into BTE.

if AR is about to expire then you should vanish at low cps to stop it from expiring

if KS is under 20s or so then you try not to vanish unless you have to for AR

KS itself has higher priority than vanish

so your opener in keys looks like (rtb before pull) > AR ghostly strike BTE > stealth window for 6s > build to KS > build to vanish bte > stealth window again

[soft mica]

ty

that made a lot more sense XD

[gaunt phoenix]

if you play Fatebound instead of trickster then you try not to vanish unless ruthless precision or supercharger becomes active

instead of watching killing spree cd

[bright crane]

so are we just playing 684 belt now?

[frank finch]

fake ptr dev notes

😠

[bright crane]

😠

[wintry solar]

Fake ptr

[tender wedge]

crit chain and static charge both sim higher than 684 belt for me, but not by much

[bright crane]

ya just simmed it - crit change is 1% over my 684 cc belt

so crit chain it is

charge still bugged yeah?

[tender wedge]

charged bolts sucks, charged crystal buggy

and static charge just gets depleted super fast on outlaw but hey its vers and has some defensive value

crit chain just easy, and it's very good for other 2 specs so kinda set and forget

[bright crane]

nice

crit chain it is then

[thin fiber]

was there any discussion on the upcoming KS changes?😅

[grim spear]

Nothing much to discuss

looks cool, basically just a QoL change

cp refund feels weird, channeling is too long and unpleasant

[gaunt phoenix]

Channel is so long it's worth to cancel it at 7cp

[wintry solar]

I like the idea of the cp refund but in practice it's awkward.

It'd work for a different outlaw

[tulip quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

Yeah but you feel like a Gramaton cleric and that’s insane

[grim spear]

maybe

just consider turning our spec into a ranged one

like

[wintry solar]

I have a crazy idea

How about we come up with an original idea >.>

I knowwwwwwwwww its so crazyyyyyyyyy

But gw2 donkey

[grim spear]

[fresh obsidian]

Such as?

Maybe something that incorporates both weapons

And guns

[stiff hawk]

This is such a bad advice

Look how it works on other classes

[fresh obsidian]

Guns are cool and all for outlaw but it's possible to go too far in a direction and new KS is that

[wintry solar]

I think I agree

[tulip quarry]

And we will call it gunblades

[grim spear]

Honestly, Hero Talents is kind of disappointing.

When they first introduced the idea of two specs sharing a Hero Talent tree, I thought it would be something like borrowing traits from each other

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[grim spear]

some sort of cross-spec synergy. That idea actually sounded exciting.

[wintry solar]

Dude for real

Like

[grim spear]

But in the end, it’s just a bunch of new, unrelated stuff tacked on.

[wintry solar]

I was so hyped for sanlayn. Blood and Unholy sharing stuff

[tulip quarry]

That’s Blizzard super power : finding a good and fun idea and ruining it almost instantly

[fresh obsidian]

Call it whatever but there's too much gun atm for me. Sometimes less is more.

[fresh obsidian]

They're the king of wasted potential

[tulip quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/irony-ironic-runwanderwonder-johann-isnt-it-ironic-gif-22429343

[wintry solar]

The irony is lost on me ngl

[wintry solar]

I get it. Being a gunslinger but also not officially a gunslinger.

Idk how to explain it

But

Being well-versed in swordplay

And your piece is what gets focused on

[vivid vessel]

?

You guys complain about the weirdest shit

We have 3 gun spells

Ok

[fresh obsidian]

We're not complaining, we're just discussing. Chill

It ultimately means nothing

Who gives a fuck

[next wedge]

i was thinking the same

zac i got 2nd for btm in NA

fucking woxtox and his group cucked both me and my fury warr friend

[vivid vessel]

Haha

I can't even play btm

My off meta comp isn't off meta enough

[next wedge]

ive just pugged all season long

[wintry solar]

You can't have a negative opinion about small things. Only things that matter

[next wedge]

i feel like im capped out at 17s with maybe 18 dfc and top and ws being possible for me

[waxen acorn]

I think the idea of guns being "too much" left the building when Outlaw stopped being Combat

[stiff hawk]

First if of all

When combat was deleted

it was Pirates

[waxen acorn]

with cannons

[stiff hawk]

You never played cannons

[waxen acorn]

doesn't matter if you never did

it existed lol

was far more over the top than another gun spell

[stiff hawk]

I cringe every time when someone mentions Combat

[next wedge]

imo we should go more over the top, none of the rogues have strong thematics or fantasy

[waxen acorn]

honestly replace AR with a ghost ship that blows tf out of people as a CD

[wintry solar]

He said too much in one direction

[waxen acorn]

the pirate direction?

[wintry solar]

In terms of theme

But we better drop it

We can't have convos like this

[next wedge]

????

who is saying that

[wintry solar]

That guy

[waxen acorn]

bit melodramatic

[next wedge]

yea do u have any feelings u need to talk about

[fresh obsidian]

Me

[civic zephyr]

So am gearing the rogue, what Heroic trinkets do I farm for first?

[next wedge]

keys

and zee thug hotline

[limpid kiln]

1800hotline-zee

[next wedge]

or if u mean m+ pacemaker

[waxen acorn]

doesn't hotline not work with cudgel or something?

[next wedge]

and the bee one

[civic zephyr]

Both are fine. Thank you :3

The bee one the one that dashes you?

[next wedge]

yea

alhtough a lot of ppl use the minecart one too

there aren't really a lot of ultra bis trinkets for outlaw

[wintry solar]

You just choose which sucks the least

[civic zephyr]

It seems a lot of different trinkets works,

[waxen acorn]

because it's better no?

[vivid vessel]

You the dumbest mf in Rh and you know it

[next wedge]

minecart can miss in some situations

[wintry solar]

How?

I may have misunderstood the question now that I think about it

[stiff hawk]

Ive lost count how many People are the dumbest people

[vivid vessel]

Popo definitely in the top 5 at least

Can't argue

[wintry solar]

Elaborate

[civic zephyr]

Does more haste/4 set make keeping AR uptime easier?

[next wedge]

u want to get to about 19% haste for both HO trickster and for FB KiR

[wintry solar]

How

[next wedge]

more haste makes your AR reduce ur GCD more and it caps out somewhere there i dont remember the actual break point

[next wedge]

so yes to answer ur question in short

4 set doesnt really help with uptime and we dont play around it

[stiff hawk]

Becasue you have a different view than zac

[wintry solar]

That I get

Tbh

I also don't agree with Stoopy

I just said I get what he's saying

[vivid vessel]

False

[fresh obsidian]

She

[vivid vessel]

If you are mad about outlaw getting more guns

You dumb

[wintry solar]

She

[stiff hawk]

Especially when you are american

PEW PEW

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[next wedge]

i love when we argue about petty shit

[wintry solar]

Zac has a habit of saying I said certain things

And idk where it stems from

I assume it's a personality trait idk

[next wedge]

i mean u were saying he said that u cant have discussions in here

[vivid vessel]

You litteraly say those things wdym

[wintry solar]

I just said I get it Zac

As in

I understand where she's coming from

Thats not agreeing

[next wedge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903206159899578370/1223644966811730061/speed.gif

[vivid vessel]

It's like complaining sub is getting more shadow damage

[ancient echo]

Are we all excited for the KS change!? Anyone have a date on the patch drop?

[vivid vessel]

[next wedge]

augest

im sorta excited! if they reduce the channel time i will be more so

[ancient echo]

Wahhh i thought it was sooner

[wintry solar]

I don't agree with her is all I'm saying

[stiff hawk]

I mean 11.1.7 was just 2 weeks ago

[wintry solar]

Lots of guns or no guns idc as long as it's fun

[stiff hawk]

how would it be ealier

[stiff hawk]

Guns and Roses?

[wintry solar]

Text book definition of washed

They were goats too

[ancient echo]

It should be haste-based channel reduction and I saw somthing to do with number of combo points it consumes to reduce channel time. shouldnt be linear.

[wintry solar]

They have until August so here's to hoping

[vivid vessel]

Me when blizzard iterate upon feedback

[wintry solar]

Credit where credit is due

They somehow perfected the art of giving something people want in the worst way possible

You'd imagine the bit would've ran dry after all these years

[vivid vessel]

Right

They are quite good at it

[cold jewel]

a good bit never runs dry

also @vivid vessel ur banned

[vivid vessel]

Ok

Why

[stiff hawk]

Real

Cross Faction?

[cold jewel]

u got my boi ryu banned

[stiff hawk]

Still Janky as shit

[vivid vessel]

Not sure that was me cuh

[wintry solar]

What on earth are you talking about?

[cold jewel]

im not sure it wasnt you lil gup

[stiff hawk]

They gave us Cross Faction stuff, but made it so bad it, half of the shit still doenst work

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah righy

Right

Dude

That shit was so rough on launch and still to this day

That

I don't do a lot of crossfaction stuff still

M+, raid, and pvp

[stiff hawk]

You dont ahve Cross-Faction Tradechat

cant whisper cross-faction

cant trade outisde of raid

or dungeon

[wintry solar]

Because it's always a gamble whether the other stuff works or not

For real!

[stiff hawk]

Cant queue in Dungeon Finder, except youa re 5 premade

[wintry solar]

You're getting my blood pressure up with this lol

I want to help my buddy level but he's alliance

I can't with blizz

[stiff hawk]

Im Surprised

That X-Realm worked and works really well

Didnt expect that tbh

[wintry solar]

What's that

[stiff hawk]

X-Realm Guilds

i mean

Like you can join a guild from a different realm

[lyric steeple]

just curious is today the last day to use dinars? or can I save it for later this week to use it

[stiff hawk]

Why would it be?

I think DInar Vendor are there as long as the Season lasts

[lyric steeple]

Got its thanks XD

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

i thought what we had was special

[stiff hawk]

Maybe you are the top 1?

in Zacs rankings

[vivid vessel]

Hm

Difficult choice

I feel like zeross is up there as well

When he decide to

[haughty wigeon]

cant be

impossible

i am

3rd

for sure

[stiff hawk]

True

[vivid vessel]

Who is 1 and 2 then

[stiff hawk]

You are Top 1

[vivid vessel]

Hmmm

[stiff hawk]

[vivid vessel]

Ye maybe

[wintry solar]

You cant vote for yourself. Conflict of interest.

[mighty pivot]

where does Mafic the forums legend land? what rank?

[shell fossil]

man what if they made killing spree like old echoing reprimand

and can overcap cps

[vivid vessel]

He ain't in Rh

Dude probably got banned

[hot island]

Hey, so if i'm understanding correctly, if i don't get 4 buffs from RTB i'm supposed to keep re rolling unless its the exact 3 piece of of the shark compass energy?

[mighty pivot]

he's just too cool to be here

accept it

[shell fossil]

rh best discord lmao

[stiff hawk]

WTF

[shell fossil]

lmaoooooo

[stiff hawk]

Its your fault

he has a Shadow Ping now

[shell fossil]

deleted on lmao

[haughty wigeon]

he hasnt

he just refuses to come here

[mighty pivot]

that's for KIR only

[wintry solar]

And you believe that?

[haughty wigeon]

yes cause he visited once

and saw pvp channel and left

[wintry solar]

Pvp most tame channel

So it was probably for the best

[mighty pivot]

and it is also not energy buff but broadside (+cp per builder)

[hot island]

but i'm still supposed to be re rolling till i get a 4/5 or the specific 3 piece?

[mighty pivot]

assuming you are playing KIR yes. HO has simpler rolling rules

[jagged ivy]

@stiff hawk who tf pinged me in the ADHD channel

[stiff hawk]

It was me, because i made a cute comment on a gif. But Wollmart the coward deleted it

and so i had to delete mine

[wintry solar]

You new to Outlaw?

Not trying to flame, just curious.

[hot island]

yep

[mighty pivot]

classic flamer popo

[hot island]

i'm looking at zac's video and he appears to have all the buffs but still presses roll the bones

[stiff hawk]

Rude Popo wtf

[mighty pivot]

this is explained in the outlaw faq

you can roll once after using KIR without replacing buffs and you get "free" supercharger charges. More details on the timing of that are on the faq

[thin fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/neon-lights-feeling-lucky-sparkles-luck-gif-16661966

[shell fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

it was incredibly cursed i had to

[wintry solar]

What makes it worse is the body looks like it's from a different universe than wow

[knotty needle]

idk is pvp REALLY the most sane channel

it's like i feel like Assassination is the most sane channel
Outlaw is always like "how has blizzard done this to us"
Subtlety is like "i have depression because of blizzard"
Assassination is like I feel like i can go in there at any given moment and see relatively normal things

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Well

[hot island]

alright thanks,

[wintry solar]

It is when you're not in it

[stiff hawk]

and i said thats me, when @jagged ivy visits me

[hot island]

one final (for now lol) question, the guide writes that ambush is a no no button in the KIR spec i assume i just replace it with SS if i have to press a builder and don't have pistol procs

[mighty pivot]

is this a copy pasta?

[wintry solar]

Shit wrong video

[knotty needle]

it could be but no i typed that myself

[mighty pivot]

because only a copy pasta would call assa channel "most sane"

[random stirrup]

assa channel loves feet

[stiff hawk]

Yes, SS is your builder if you ahve no procs or Blade Flurry in AOE

[mighty pivot]

yes

[knotty needle]

that's relatively normal compared to the average thing i see in sub and outlaw

[hot island]

cheers

[mighty pivot]

wdym the most we get here is the daily fight between zac and zeross

[hot island]

cheers,

[random stirrup]

i think this guy might be a foot guy ngl

[wintry solar]

Ew feet

[wintry solar]

This would probably help you

[stiff hawk]

Tale old as time

[mighty pivot]

"might be"

[knotty needle]

these accusations are unfounded

[wintry solar]

I think

[mighty pivot]

sorry mate we couldn't hear you clearly with all those toes in your mouth

[wintry solar]

Outlaw may be the worst

[knotty needle]

ok maybe they are founded
but they arent true

[wintry solar]

Purely because it gets slowmode the most

On average

Unless I'm missing something

[knotty needle]

outlaw is the worst spec channel alright i wont be accepting any arguments on this

[mighty pivot]

isn't that because of certain people pressing enter for every one word?

[wintry solar]

What

Ever

Do

You

M

E

An

[knotty needle]

not that it's bad
just the worst (of the best since we're the best there is)

[mighty pivot]

zeross 2.0

[knotty needle]

I mean i feel like i can go into assassination and usually see spec discussion
then go into subtlety and usually see spec discussion with depression

and then outlaw is like a mystery box

[craggy barn]

its a timing thing

i see random shit in every channel all the time

[shell fossil]

i wanna play more assassin with the cleave build but 3 14s to go

[frail veldt]

The other channels are so dull

[stiff hawk]

Nah

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-call-of-duty-call-of-duty-zombies-mystery-box-thanks-man-gif-17855379719203706757

[knotty needle]

yeah but i mean on average

[frail veldt]

And if you're comparing to other classes

Holy fuck

[mighty pivot]

outlaw has had quite some spec discussion now with the KS changes inbound

[frail veldt]

Rogue is like the promised land

[stiff hawk]

When something controversial is done to outlaw

This channel

[knotty needle]

idk i dont really look at other class channels I just assume we're the best

[stiff hawk]

Becomes a warzone

[mighty pivot]

but it's a mix of depression like sub's channel

[frail veldt]

Cuz we're actually free

Other spec discords are perma slow mode and shit

It's awful

[knotty needle]

maybe because they actually have players

relatively anyway

[wintry solar]

I think this is the only discord that doesn't have their transmog channel on perma slowmode

[mighty pivot]

rogues are yappers is what you're saying

[wintry solar]

I haven't checked recently though

[frail veldt]

Idk the outlaw disc is VERY active considering how unpopular the spec is

[frail veldt]

Ye

[wintry solar]

Regardless of the state of the spec, there's gonna stuff to talk about

We all give each other shit

[knotty needle]

well idk i would imagine it's like how the pvp servers are active because the only people left playing are the people really dedicated

[wintry solar]

Se we easily riff off that

[frail veldt]

We don't even talk about outlaw half the time

[knotty needle]

i actually wouldnt know i dont really look at the pvp servers

but i would assume they are active

[frail veldt]

It's kinda active

It has a pretty broad range of player skill, it's mostly newer players and a few veterans

[wintry solar]

They're usually the channels version of offtopic if the server doesn't have one

Like Acherus

[stiff hawk]

On Topic

[frail veldt]

French tacos

[knotty needle]

pvp has new players?

[stiff hawk]

Do not

[knotty needle]

surely not

[stiff hawk]

i repeat

Do not mention French Tacos

under any circumstance

[wintry solar]

Tacos have to be a flat bread

Btw

Are French tacos with a flat bread?

They probably put snails in it

And cigarette butts

[mighty pivot]

they are with flat bread

[vivid vessel]

hi

[mighty pivot]

they are also mid

[stiff hawk]

NOOOOOOOOO

He was summoned

[tender wedge]

A crepe is just a French taco

[wintry solar]

It's a flat pancake

You believe that shit?

Someone said "I wish this pancake was flatter"

Crepes shouldn't exist because "flat as a pancake" exists as a quote

Flat as a crepe isn't as good

Just like crepes themselves

[mighty pivot]

that's a creppy take

[wintry solar]

[wintry solar]

I'm manifesting a bomb in your pc. You blow up yet?

[hot island]

so after spending some time on training dummies, i'm not too certain am i supposed to just KIR if i get 2 red border buffs but then i get 3 blue border ones?

or i guess if i hit CTO twice then the 4 buffs would mean it's worth to just keep it rolling

[frail veldt]

KiR doesn't care about color for when to press it

[hot island]

oh i was under the impression that the CTO buffs wouldn't get extended as much as the rolled ones

[frail veldt]

They all get extended 30s

[hot island]

ahhh okay i think i've been holding on to kir a but much then

[knotty needle]

30 seconds and then they are yellow

[frail veldt]

Yeah you don't want to sit on it off cd for that long

[knotty needle]

so you can roll again

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw is the promise land

havoc chat is fucking hell

alot more tame than it used to be

but man

[knotty needle]

oh yeah what's so bad about it

[haughty wigeon]

probably the only classcord that can really hold up to rh's activity

[wintry solar]

Thought they cleaned it up

[haughty wigeon]

we did

still comparable to outlaw in terms of cringe

and i love it

hold on, i can go there ss a banger within a minute

see

[mighty pivot]

[hot island]

eh i'll try a random 10 and see how i do

tho my assa gear means my stats are totally fked

[real valley]

hey

can you guys make outlaw broken for next season

thank you

[obsidian walrus]

I don’t want broken I want good

Broken means giga nerfs

[real valley]

i want undeniable meta spot

😎

[mighty pivot]

the haste requirement for outlaw is non-negotiable, and KIR has a much stricter haste requirement. It plays significantly worse without, so make sure you at least have that part (haste flask can only cover so much)

[thin fiber]

is the monk channel all peace and serenity?🤣

[knotty needle]

i can only assume

[pseudo vale]

Is there Sims for dungeon slice 11.2 yet ? Curious if trickster pulls ahead there and if so how much

[vivid vessel]

Not much rn cause it got hit big time

• fb tier is much better

[pseudo vale]

Yeah that's what I figured

[mighty pivot]

for now the sim showed FB 0,5% ahead on dslice

[next wedge]

is KS taken in both hero specs now?

[mighty pivot]

despite its lower cleave

[thin fiber]

not for FB

[next wedge]

ok sweet

if fb better i can go back to not pressing it

feelsgood

[mighty pivot]

it's unlikely that FB will end up better than trickster for m+ at least

trickster is undertuned and they are about equal

but for raids I don't see trickster closing the gap

[next wedge]

i mean

i like trickster in keys so i dont have to press tott 🙂

maybe new ks will be fun

[mighty pivot]

the massive changes KS is getting after tonight's update will fix everything (lie)

[hot island]

yea i'm definitly playing this wrong lmao only did 3.2m on azerokk

[mighty pivot]

our AR uptime is usually your #1 indicator of how used you are to the spec

[hot island]

60% but i also had like 6 dumb deaths that reduced it becuase i wasn't properly positioning since i was busy clicking new and strange buttons

probably more like 65/70%

[mighty pivot]

you can check the uptime for the azerokk fight if you didn't die

[random stirrup]

That is quite unfortunate

[hot island]

81

i even had a 5 or 6 RTB on it

[mighty pivot]

yeah that's low for a fight with little happening like azerokk but outlaw takes practice

[hot island]

so no reason not to have more

tho with these 2nd stats i'm coping thats partially responsible

[mighty pivot]

I told you that you need haste for the spec

you can maybe run HO with a haste flask

[random stirrup]

Oh yeah that is not good at all

[hot island]

yep, but since i maily play assa in m+ i don't have any haste gear, and i'm not certain i wanna recraft all my crafted gear

[mighty pivot]

you will not get a good feel of the spec like this

find some lower ilvl rings/neck with haste

[random stirrup]

You can buy a pvp ring with conquest

[mighty pivot]

the haste levels for outlaw are a requirement, not a suggestion

[hot island]

12k haste needed right?

[random stirrup]

For kir

I hope you’re not playing kir with 5% haste

[hot island]

i am 🙂

[random stirrup]

Yea don’t do that

play ho

Playing either outlaw spec with low haste is going to be suffering ngl but at least Ho no gs only needs like 10%

[hot island]

i assume vers/haste crafted would be optimal then?

[shell fossil]

haste pot is like 6%

[dim widget]

if missing haste yes

[shell fossil]

you can get a feel for the class while gearing it

[dim widget]

if you have enough haste vers crit is usually best

[hot island]

i'm 684 already

[shell fossil]

yeah but haste req

target dfc for wicks golden loop

[hot island]

noted

[dim widget]

if he is 684 this deep in the season he is probably swimming in sparks

would assume just crafting jewellery can fix it easily

[random stirrup]

For an idea of how bad it is, haste below cap is something like 2-3x as good as primary stat is

[shell fossil]

true that is cheap and free that's what i run crafted and a hero wick's

but also spending gold this late in the season

[dim widget]

jewellery costs like 5k to craft

its giga cheap

[mighty pivot]

yup

and you should have hundreds of crests by now too

[shell fossil]

you don't see me with a crafted cloak, hero trashmasters is good enough

[hot island]

oh yea you think it's better to craft new gear with the stats or recraft original?

[dim widget]

depends if you wanna use the original stats for other things and have enough sparks

[hot island]

yea i probably wanna keep most of my crit/mast items

[dim widget]

then i would argue to craft new pieces if you have sparks

outlaw never really wants mast so, you most likely will not use them for this specc

[hot island]

alright i guess ring/neck going from crit/mast to haste/vers should help a lot

[random stirrup]

Yeah you should have sparks at this point to have 2x necks crafted and rings and such

[dim widget]

ye most likely

and then you can also slot focussing lens on this slots

[hot island]

do we have any CD's that we might wanna macro trinket into like assa with DM or do i have to remember to use it again

[dim widget]

and have mostly fitting gems without fucking your sin set

[shell fossil]

use when they're off cooldown

[dim widget]

no

^ this

only hold for a bit if there is amp phases/prio targets

but most of the time

send it

[shell fossil]

big geargrinder hits on big momma for example

[hot island]

duely noted, so this is just the fkn adhd spec then

[shell fossil]

yes get in the dryer

[dim widget]

welcome to full send church

[shell fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-dog-cute-dog-teddy-bear-laundry-gif-9642927431528375629

[dim widget]

we press buttons and we aint stopping

[shell fossil]

best thing to remember is reroll when you don't have 5 buffs before combat starts

rerolling in subterfuge isn't a dps loss and worth doing this season

[hot island]

i guess since my stats are fucked that just makes signet terrible since it will always just proc mastery

[dim widget]

signet in general is not that good for us

because of all the vers we collect, direkt damage trinkets suit outlaw more

[hot island]

i guess i just go with honey buzzer?

[dim widget]

ye

honey buzzer is fine if you dont hate to use it

[shell fossil]

i mean signet with correct stat weights is good but it loses to above by 1-2%

if you have a junk maestros magnet that's a good st option

[hot island]

alright, guess i finally can use my dinars for something lol

[dim widget]

go buy 1st boss trinket

if you dont have already

[shell fossil]

yeah it doesn't work on some bosses like rookery last but

[dim widget]

wait

hol up

[random stirrup]

Magnet on top

[dim widget]

how many dinars can you spare

[random stirrup]

Magnet >> all

[dim widget]

and which bosses have you killed

[hot island]

0 mythic raids done

these stats look slightly better

[red zinc]

Do not go with honey buzzer

You will not enjoy life

[verbal pike]

Counterpoint: you get to ride a bee

[shell fossil]

bees yeah

[verbal pike]

And as such WILL enjoy life

[hot island]

oh fuck i just noticed that it moves me

[red zinc]

You could ride a D instead

[hot island]

i'm 100% gonna kill myself with this

[verbal pike]

[shell fossil]

there's not that many mechanics that will kill you for using honey buzzer

[dim widget]

then mythic pacemaker or wax whitle might be better to buy with dinars

[hot island]

i will find a way

[shell fossil]

just use the grappling hook

i have mine on middle mouse button

[shell fossil]

hook out of the whirlwind/swirlie/die

[hot island]

yea just gotta make a cast @ cursor macro for hook

since i keep pressing my button and not clocking because i'm too used to shadowstep

[shell fossil]

also since you're kinda tanky as outlaw with 5% more stam and hecka vers

consider speed enchants

[vale warren]

What the hell do you need speed enchants for as outlaw

[hot island]

speed is bis stat

thanks for the help peeps

[thin fiber]

sprint is almost ready anytime, speed dont exactly benefit much imo

[shell fossil]

you get more near misses running out of swirlies

internet netcode

[red zinc]

Simc still gotta explain to me how speed sims higher on normal patchwerk

Than no stat

[shell fossil]

we're definitely not wheelchairs like udk but it's just more useful unless you're dying to rot

for example floodgate 3rd boss

with speed enchants

[red zinc]

wat

[quaint sable]

tbh I often find myself too fast and over correct when moving out of swirlies than I find myself too slow to get out of them

[shell fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-mihoyo-hoyo-gif-16284743621870522696

[random stirrup]

I hate speed enchants on outlaw

I would rather have no enchant

There is such a thing as too fast in this game

[quaint sable]

exactly

[red zinc]

Are you saying people should take speed over avoidance?

[shell fossil]

no, run avoidance

[random stirrup]

Encounter a tiny ledge with 250% move speed and you just launch yourself into death

[shell fossil]

i don't cause im going for 3.3k by the end of the season

[red zinc]

Go for 3333 at least

[shell fossil]

ye u get it :3

[quaint sable]

Don't remind me I died in top today

[random stirrup]

3rd boss siege of boralus 💀

[red zinc]

Dawg

The tiny ass ledge in the room on first miniboss top

[shell fossil]

jump on the fountain and pop adrenaline rush

[random stirrup]

I had to unequip scroll in that dungeon

I couldn’t take it

[red zinc]

if you sprint over that you get sent halfway across the room

Literally 2 pixel ledge

[random stirrup]

I just spam grapple nowadays

Normal movement is for plebeian specs

[quaint sable]

tbh since KS that has also been my go too

[shell fossil]

man what if they gave dk a wheelchair mount like paladin

[quaint sable]

just use grapple for everything

[random stirrup]

Feint grapple KS

[red zinc]

Give mage the khadgarchair

really made khadgar the most unserious character ever by making him fly around in that chair

[vale warren]

They did but nobody plays rider

[crimson arch]

hey, how do we use Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet in keys? I usually wait for 30stacks and bigger pulls but the trinket does like 1% less dmg overall then Geargrinder's Spare Keys.

[red zinc]

No reason to be waiting outside of damage amps

But also the overall being lower is fine, geargrinder is in part pad damage on small mobs that wouldve died anyway, while magnet is mostly prio damage

[crimson arch]

ok i see thanks

[lone spear]

no such thing as pad, because killing small mobs makes my other dps start single targeting instead 🧠

[quaint sable]

it also makes us do more dmg to the prio target thanks to pc

[random stirrup]

well

Only if there are two prio targets

since bf isn’t hitting the main one

[quaint sable]

Touche

[vale warren]

When you do 1st boss workshop with a mm hunter and they get the 3rd guy in the ring so they can cleave and you lose pc damage

[brisk crag]

does anyone know how much dps loss it would be if you use feint on cooldown (in m+)?

is there any way to sim this using raidbots?

[vivid vessel]

its a lot of energy

[mighty pivot]

on cooldown or to maintain 100% uptime? both should be simmable with some changes to the apl but they are also both very unrealistic?

[brisk crag]

basically as close to 100% uptime as possible (easiest would be to use on cd i guess or macro it into ur skills). Wanted to know if its worth it or too much of a dps loss, since i see myself getting energy capped a lot anyways

[mighty pivot]

you wouldn't want to macro it anyways because it would fire twice

[random stirrup]

you can pretty freely feint with no loss when you’re rolling with many buffs and especially in aoe as kir

doing it during down periods of rng is pretty bad though

[hot island]

80% uptime after i swapped out my gear

[vivid vessel]

nah that would have a pretty sizeable impact

unless you are rolling out of your mind energy is actually quite scares rn

scarse?

idk the word actually

[hot island]

i find that i sometimes have a minute or so where i just try to RTB to get more than 3 so i can KIR

is that just a skill issue of not hitting

[random stirrup]

Scarce mr frenchman

[hot island]

or is there any point where i'm supposed to just say fuck it and just pop the extend if i hit 3?

[random stirrup]

are you rolling with 3 buffs active

[hot island]

2 red and 1 blue with low timer

then i roll

if i roll 3 red then i don't re roll i just wait for a blue and maybe extend a few sec to try and get a 2nd

[random stirrup]

well you cannot roll 3 red

except rarely when a bug triggers

[hot island]

oh then i've been remembering the colours wrong

[random stirrup]

Depends on how low u mean for the blue timer but a lot of kirs should be 2 red into double proccing blues within a short duration

if your next global is ss or dispatch or bte crackshot I wouldn’t roll at 2 even

[mighty pivot]

i changed the colour of the rtb wa to use green for safe colours, because using yellow is cringe

[hot island]

alright, i just felt like i had a bunch of instances where i hit 2 red and then didn't get blue procs and felt that i then had to re roll the 2 reds when possible to try and hit 4

[random stirrup]

You do asap roll 2 red, it’s just if you have any blue present you’re gamba rolling cto to try to meet kir condition

[hot island]

which might just remove the blue

[random stirrup]

sorry not rolling in that sense

I meant attempting to proc buffs via cto

You don’t roll with 2 red 1 blue

[hot island]

so 2 red 1 blue no roll and no KIR 2 blue 2 red KIR 4 red KIR

[mighty pivot]

you cannot 4 red

you can roll 5

but then you try and bait the 6th with CTO usually

[hot island]

alright cheers

[mighty pivot]

you might be overcomplicating things in your head about rtb

[hot island]

probably

[nimble sage]

is it correct we keep on rerolling until we get 5 buffs? Do we allow the 5 buffs to run out before refreshing?

[vivid vessel]

???

yellow is gold

like you are golden

super sayan or whatever

[mighty pivot]

yellow is da poop, all the homies love green

[vivid vessel]

no

[agile orchid]

yellow is always a neutral color

red is bad

green is good

[mighty pivot]

also green is a primary colour and yellow is not. 3 choices -> 3 primary colours. It makes sense!

[tender wedge]

🤔

[covert kestrel]

It's cause we're family

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/love-family-gif-24307274

[mighty pivot]

wowhead comments at it again

[vivid vessel]

Yellow gold is good

[stiff hawk]

[halcyon elm]

[novel socket]

[late swallow]

Bro clearly hasn’t seen the UB swoosh

[agile orchid]

Rogue’s class fantasy is being low fantasy

[stiff hawk]

I mean Killing Spree has an animation

Especially with Season 3

[covert kestrel]

Me when I don't shit out golden hammers every 2 seconds

[agile orchid]

Assa is a poisoner

Outlaw is a guy with a handgun

Sub is a ninja

What else could you ask for

[halcyon elm]

a second hand gun

[covert kestrel]

I mean fatebound could've had some coins or something

[agile orchid]

Does killing spree use 2 guns?

Or only one?

[halcyon elm]

shrug

[errant quarry]

Why stop at two? Engineers made foot blasters in legion after all.

[agile orchid]

Idk outlaw as a gunslinger is quite cool

[covert kestrel]

🤠

Reject pirate, embrace yeehaw

[mighty pivot]

we are getting a tf2 sentry gun as cd for midnight

[covert kestrel]

Nerf bastion!

[brisk spear]

Outlaw is more like scout tho

So maybe give outlaw a bat

[mighty pivot]

give outlaw a force-a-nature for more CC

[wintry solar]

Rogue fantasy is fantasizing about having a fantasy

[wintry solar]

You say something?

[dim widget]

isnt that wrong?

green is not a primary color no?

[wary bridge]

it is, green is a mix of blue and yellow

[dim widget]

well i guess it depends on the context

had the painting philosophy in mind where yellow is primary but green is not

but for physics and light in particular green is primary but not yellow

[wintry solar]

:[

What is this in my outlaw discord channel

Math but with colors is what this is

[wary bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-surprised-whoa-gif-18356086

[mighty pivot]

sorry this is now the colour theory channel

spec discussion has been outlawed

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[vivid vessel]

Guyyyyys

[gaunt phoenix]

Girlllllls

[glass mortar]

why is the channel pic still rainbow?

its july 1st

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

we go a gayn next year

💅

[vivid vessel]

i have genuilly grown to like the colors ngl

i dont want them to go away

[gaunt phoenix]

felhammer was the first one to say we're done with that gay shit?

[glass mortar]

ye they look good

[vivid vessel]

ye

the feral one i will be sad seeing it go

banger one

[gaunt phoenix]

show

[glass mortar]

literal 💅

[gaunt phoenix]

im not in the other ones

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

wtf?

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[vivid vessel]

i collection them

[torpid fiber]

this is so funny

[gaunt phoenix]

i like feral and mage one

[vivid vessel]

first one to ungay lose !

[mighty pivot]

just never ungay

[torpid fiber]

unironically a ton of servers end up doing that

[mighty pivot]

it should help keep the (outed) bigots away all year long

[dense bolt]

yo

[torpid fiber]

yeah that's one of the big benefits
Plus often it just looks nicer

[glass mortar]

rogues is very cute

i wish we had a real weapon enchant

[fallow hinge]

you not in the wa one?

[glass mortar]

wheres my pride enchant blizz

[old gull]

Rainbow enchant would go hard ngl

[errant quarry]

Somebody should remake the SL cinematic with Bolvar in the DK discord rainbow colours

[dim widget]

oh god pls no, there is already enough enchants in the game that make me sim for hours for basically no gain

[fallow hinge]

clearly they meant appearance

[glass mortar]

i mean it would just need to be a mog

[fallow hinge]

the weap illusion

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean it could also do infinite dmg

[dim widget]

oh cosmetic only, ye sure

[stiff hawk]

I mean RGB on a PC also gives +100 FPS

Why wouldnt it give 100K DPS

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[fallow hinge]

Tira spittin' straight facts

my keyboard's been rainbow since I got it

and I do biggo damage

[torpid fiber]

mood

[long barn]

Does the summer buff and flask after still work?

It would work before the dungeon would start but disappear for me by the first pack in floodgate

[glass mortar]

think they fixed the event buff staying active in m+

[fallow hinge]

does it still work in raid?

[glass mortar]

they also fixed the MW bug at some point as i learned last night doing my TW

[fallow hinge]

I wanna hit 100% crit

[glass mortar]

liz idk what to play next season

do i start gearing up my surv again

my monks already geared, ww could be fun

and my evoker is partially geared

apparently devas tier next season is 25% increase rn

apparently alot of these tiers are busted too

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/A1Tf0Bi any1 know if these sheet on the back

[fallow hinge]

I'm not allowed to play survival

[gaunt phoenix]

[fallow hinge]

which one though

flameshaper or the boring one

[stiff hawk]

Waht exactly is that?

[gaunt phoenix]

changing the channel from 0.5s/cp to 0.4s/cp etc

[wintry solar]

Morning outlaws

[stiff hawk]

i see

[wintry solar]

And outlaw adjacent

[stiff hawk]

Thats huge dmg

[wintry solar]

Is this spellqueue stuff?

[gaunt phoenix]

no it just wont let me type 0.4s

i had to put 400ms

[stiff hawk]

I mean 0.3s would be nice

So channel would only be 2 Seconds

[gaunt phoenix]

Basically making ks shorter can be a surprisingly high dps increase

[stiff hawk]

nerf the dmg a little bit and its good

[vivid vessel]

i am

[wintry solar]

Wut duh hayle

Typically you want channels to be better the longer it channels

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-should-leave-what-the-hell-nude-egg-tim-robinson-hell-gif-5804496257840774236

[wintry solar]

Silly blizzard

They must've forgot!

[glass mortar]

flameshaper i believe

[mellow thicket]

Is this for current patch or upcoming?

[errant quarry]

I wonder if they’ll hear the KS feedback and give it the fists of fury haste scaling treatment instead of shortening the channel

[brisk meadow]

nah we gotta appreciate the animation and look at it as long as possible

[mellow thicket]

Got it

[hybrid crown]

HO vigor is back baby

Get that haste

[tepid viper]

hey...currently im playing assa for m+ and im getting into a stucked point.
3570 Rio full 17 with 2 18s. But im not getting invited while queing for like 2 hours sometimes. Is it better as Outlaw because phys comp is a thing?

[edgy phoenix]

thats how it is no matter what u play

[glass mortar]

i have never heard of law getting easier invs then sin

[vivid vessel]

upcoming but its prolly similar

[errant quarry]

You’re competing for invites with people who have 3-7 18s timed. That’s probably a bigger issue.