ye
#outlaw
craggy barn
fallow hinge
but they're still big enough
late swallow
we need more dragonriding in raids tbh
fallow hinge
everything after thingy of fire
late swallow
we need as much dragonriding in raids as possible
lime lake
when do we get a boss thats entirely the dragonriding where you shoot lightning
craggy barn
everyone on dragons
lime lake
like in the campaign
fallow hinge
tbh I wish we had some more like, encounters, not just bosses
stuck sparrow
I crashed more often with drive
late swallow
another nexus like raid
that would be so based
stuck sparrow
but maybe im just a shit driver
late swallow
malygos x 10 bosses
craggy barn
class balance would be impeccable
0% difference from top and bottom specs
can play outlaw every fight
fallow hinge
One of the things I liked about Destiny 2 raiding
was that they were pretty even split on boss fights vs encounter fights
unfortunately we've only really got like.... first boss HFC
which everyone hated because it sucked
fallow hinge
but now we have dragonriding, they can make encounter design cooler I reckon
late swallow
multiple assaults back to back in one raid would be so based
stuck sparrow
I want to know what youtubers are smoking
late swallow
12 hour reclear
stuck sparrow
to rank rygelon as one of the most hated bosses
craggy barn
what if u had to dragon ride, fly into a swirly, then dive bomb into the boss!
fallow hinge
to rank rygelon as one of the most hated bosses
they hated it in rwf and that's all the tubers care about
stuck sparrow
no apparently it wipes aotc guilds
alot too
Idk not ranking KT in a top 10 is crazy
craggy barn
which KT
stuck sparrow
sanctum
craggy barn
idk the best sanctum fight was lords of dread π
craggy barn
i came back to sofo after a long hiatus after CN
stuck sparrow
The most based thing to do was
craggy barn
had 0 clue what was going on entire hc raids
craggy barn
covert kestrel
we need as much dragonriding in raids as possible
I want Diddy Kong racing in wow
proven ocean
late swallow
I want Diddy Kong racing in wow
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/diddy-diddy-stare-stare-diddy-baby-oil-puff-daddy-gif-157...
late swallow
Zeross the kinda guy to piss and then unzip his pants to pee
sudden fulcrum
diddy had 50 gallon drums of baby oil
covert kestrel
Zeross the kinda guy to piss and then unzip his pants to pee
Ross has had a catheter installed at his gaming desk since s2 of DF
waxen acorn
to rank rygelon as one of the most hated bosses
Pretty wild, that fight was a banger
and if you're picking from that raid there are definitely other fights that would have been worse
Pantheon was booty cheeks and so was Lihuvim, but honestly Lords of Dread was terribad imo
stuck sparrow
Lol no council fight is good tbf
waxen acorn
wut
dim widget
btw, who else thinks dimensius is the only reason ks got changed? im pretty sure during testing they realized people would get loading screens between ks jumps or just straight up get banned mid encounter because the anti tp cheat agent would catch them when teleporting hundreds of kilometers
stuck sparrow
btw, who else thinks dimensius is the only reason ks got changed? im pretty sure...
Can you imagine being in the rwf and being teleported into a loading screen?
keen belfry
i love outl;aw
lime lake
Can you imagine being in the rwf and being teleported into a loading screen?
no because you'd first have to imagine outlaw in rwf
cant wait to shadowstep and either instantly die or teleport to kansas though
quaint sable
is he not a boss with a safe spot?
gaunt phoenix
btw, who else thinks dimensius is the only reason ks got changed? im pretty sure...
who knows, also the dawnbreaker dungeon is unplayable on the boat with ks, you will fall off
guy thinks ks being changed might also be related to death statistics
cinder relic
LOL
gaunt phoenix
i didnt mean it to sound weird lol
cinder relic
I had my whole theory typed out
gaunt phoenix
i think it makes sense
cinder relic
Nah it's not weird just funny lol
gaunt phoenix
ah
cinder relic
I was about to explain like, on paladin rework they said "paladin is the most dead class"
So it's a stat they track internally, or at least did
Ks being the almost always build probably added a lot to outlaw being dead as a statistic
keen belfry
it was probably very obvious to rogue too
as we dont die
i legit dont die unless its KS stuff, rogue is so so tanky
gaunt phoenix
it was also just
really in your face
any blizz employee playing outlaw
would see it
keen belfry
i also think the thing it did to your camera
was almost as egregious as it killing u
was just a panic inducing button
stray star
which fatebound build which build on ptr guys ?
gaunt phoenix
same kir but change sleight to loaded dice
haughty wigeon
I was about to explain like, on paladin rework they said "paladin is the most de...
i was about to mention that
how ret mostly got a rework cause it was paper
idle scaffold
Should I roll off cd or only on boss? I'm lvl30, so still learning how to play rogue
keen belfry
how much better do u guys think a kezan is in a 30ish minute sim than normal trinket
keen belfry
how much better do u guys think a kezan is in a 30ish minute sim than normal tri...
for me it was 3% better in a 10 min sim
haughty wigeon
with your only accessable defensive at the time was only shield of vengeance on a 2min cd
bubble was 3 mins i think?
bop was 4
wary bridge
I want Diddy Kong racing in wow
covert kestrel
keen belfry
solo i think youd know this answer
does outlaw get more from raid buffs than other specs
or is it pretty similiar amongst all classes/specs
craggy barn
!fuu
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keen belfry
i know how much we get but not other specs/classes
craggy barn
ah u meant ALL classes
keen belfry
i said all!
craggy barn
i read ur 2nd line before i grabbed all that
mighty pivot
everything is physical
sullen walrus
craggy barn
pc = piece
for tier set bonus
so 2pc is first tier set bonus, 4pc is 2nd tier bonus
hasty warren
Yo Pirates
random stirrup
i know how much we get but not other specs/classes
Less than most melee for battle shout but still more than any caster gets from AI since the nerf
Much less from BL than pretty much any spec in the game
One of the worst chaos brand scaling in the game but one of the best monk buff scalers in the game (also good since the chaos brand nerf)
One of the worst motw scalers in the game since really no other spec vers stacks as much as we do
Decent shaman buff scaling, better than any caster probably since wind fury buff is good enough to make up for how bad mastery is
Probably the literal worst hunter buff scaler since no burst
Being a phys melee overall means raid buffs are decently strong since they nerfed brand/AI, but probably the worst phys melee since no haste gain and little mastery gain and vers stacking
keen belfry
Less than most melee for battle shout but still more than any caster gets from A...
is that how motw scaling works?
everyone gets 3% so 3% = 3% more dmg right?
or am i thinking about it incorrectly
random stirrup
Going from 35-38% vers is a lot worse than going from 0-3
merry raft
Diminishing returns
random stirrup
1.38/1.35 = 2.2% gain
1.03/1.0 = 3% gain
keen belfry
mm i see i see
keen belfry
i just think in my head (in right m+ comp i gain like 14% dmg)
is that the case for a lot of specs?
random stirrup
I think just being a phys melee honestly puts you near the top for raid buff scaling ngl
Monk buff and warr buff are so much better than their alternatives now
glass mortar
I thought bshout gave less then ai
random stirrup
Like a mage in the meta comp is getting 3% ai, 3% chaos brand, 3% motw on the high end, obviously more from lust
random stirrup
I thought bshout gave less then ai
5% attack power vs 3% int
keen belfry
does 3% int = 3% dmg?
vivid vessel
https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/AssiduousCarelessYamOhMyDog-UB9NCS48nHKRKHa2 @glass mortar new one
rate it
random stirrup
I think itβs pretty close to 3% ya
sudden fulcrum
owned
random stirrup
a little lower maybe if they have any damage effects
waxen acorn
man what is with 10-12s being filled with terrorists these days
wary sandal
!wa
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sudden fulcrum
man what is with 10-12s being filled with terrorists these days
vault rats and people trying to get dinar items
waxen acorn
vault rats and people trying to get dinar items
I'm just tryin to farm crests 
sudden fulcrum
ya i feel you
waxen acorn
668 tryin to get to 675+ and it's like pulling teeth because so many people that act like this is the first time they've seen the key
this is why I end up in tank prison
sudden fulcrum
i try not to pug at all because if you can even get into a key, it's people like that. if you run your key, they will deplete your shit down to a 9 and then no one will even sign up
waxen acorn
getting 3k should legit be ez pz
and yet you're playing against the player affix not even the key
vivid vessel
wont this always target the main target
glass mortar
i think if ur targeting a friendly it will untarget and tab target the nearest target before trying to Lf
i assume thats the point
vivid vessel
im stupid disregard my qeustion
vivid vessel
wasnt there a way to do a macro
that auto target a casting mob
by doing a tab target basically
dim widget
who knows, also the dawnbreaker dungeon is unplayable on the boat with ks, you w...
sounds like a feature
basejump clipping tech
glass mortar
i dont think u can check the casting status of a target with macros
other then urself of course
dim fern
maybe a little arbitrary question but would you guys say its worth running conductor whistle 671 over signet 684?
glass mortar
only if sims say so but they probably shouldnt with an ilvl gap that big
maybe on pure ST they might be close
frail veldt
dim fern
ye, i only have simmed dungeon slice so far and pacemaker and whistle won on that at least
frail veldt
i dont think u can check the casting status of a target with macros
They removed this cuz of people "kick botting" in pvp haha
vivid vessel
not that tho
frail veldt
how ya doin qt
Busy AF done 1 key in the last 4 weeks
vivid vessel
i think when you tab target
fallow hinge
Busy AF done 1 key in the last 4 weeks
huge
vivid vessel
it auto lock a casting mob
frail veldt
Oh really
glass mortar
I am not aware of any tab targeting thingy that locks onto casting mobs
that would be super sick
ur not talking about the denath macro that would always use a kick/blind on ur spark without needing to target it are u
thats the only thing i can imagine that sounds sorta similar to what ur saying
fallow hinge
Busy AF done 1 key in the last 4 weeks
which key was it? did ya win?
nimble sage
for m+ i thought outlaw played as fatebound but it seems trickster is the way to go?
glass mortar
for m+ i thought outlaw played as fatebound but it seems trickster is the way to...
been trickster all of s2
fatebound was s1
nimble sage
been trickster all of s2
Thanks!
craggy barn
i think zac is swapping to aug
sudden fulcrum
zac passenger princess CONFIRMED
fallow hinge
passenger princess? not heard that one
frail veldt
which key was it? did ya win?
It was a 12 for vault and I did more overall than the other two DPS combined
Very fun
Dfc
Hate that dungeon though
glass mortar
man i did a 16 ml last night and the tank did the thing after third boss where they run up while everyone afks and pulls everything
guy came back with 20 mines and 4 big robots chasing him
we had an outlaw rogue and an arcane mage
sudden fulcrum
that's a good strategy. i like that one
midnight granite
I am not aware of any tab targeting thingy that locks onto casting mobs
I'm pretty sure it's built in
glass mortar
we couldnt kill them fast enough
sudden fulcrum
as long as they pull it back into the boss area
glass mortar
yea it was probably like 15 or so + 4 robots + 3 of the goblin guys
so like 20 targets total maybe
if our feral hadnt died to the first mine spawn and been the only uncapped person in the key
midnight granite
Either I'm really lucky or when I Tab it picks the casting mob
glass mortar
tab target def doesnt pick out casting mobs for me
sudden fulcrum
my group does that every time and we never have issues. our comp is probably way worse too
we're feral, warlock, SV hunter
fallow hinge
good comp
glass mortar
yea i mean i did 5m dps, arcane did 4m, feral did 1.3m
fallow hinge
as someone who plays 66% of those, I approve
glass mortar
well wait all 3 of those specs scale up pretty well to 20 targets
i guess it depends on the type of warlock tho
sudden fulcrum
i'm usually playing demo in there so it does make it easier to kill mines at least
glass mortar
sv isnt crazy op but it scales pretty decently past its softcap, feral is basically uncapped
fallow hinge
ew demo
glass mortar
it woulda been fine if our feral did more then 2m dps tho
guy died to the first mine spawn then chain died
fallow hinge
you lost 2 points of respecc from me
sudden fulcrum
ew demo
i like playing destro too but my tank just keeps moving stuff out of my RoF so i feel like i get no value
fallow hinge
it woulda been fine if our feral did more then 2m dps tho
invite me next time
I do like 7mil on that pull at 671
glass mortar
was just funny cause there was so many mobs on the screen and half of them were taking no damage the other half melted
sudden fulcrum
it woulda been fine if our feral did more then 2m dps tho
they are trolling - the feral in my group is always top damage, easily 5m+ every key
glass mortar
well all these numbers r massively deflated by the 45s of afking u do waiting for tank to come back
im talking about this one pull
ur doing zero dps for 30-40s while tank groups everything
fallow hinge
stay stealthed then details doesn't put you in combat until the tank gets back :3
glass mortar
i was in stealth in combat
i think i was too close to the first mine or something
but yea thatd work
it doesnt really matter its all relative anyway
feral probably did like 4m dps on the actual pull
me and mage at ~10m
fallow hinge
regardless
invite me next time
I do scritch mores
my scritches are the best scritches
nimble sage
when having used adrelina rush do we always use a vanish instantly after (if i got two stacks ready)
glass mortar
if ur AR fell off and u just put it back up and were holding vanish for putting it back up then unless kspree was nearly ready or coup was ready, you would vanish yes
nimble sage
I am losing myself in the rotation slightly as I am new to rogue for this expansion, do we always prioritize between the eyes when we got the crit buff? (Ruthless precision)
glass mortar
well you cast BtE as much as possible (at the proper finisher rules) during crackshot windows (vanish windows)
between vanishes you use BtE as higher priority then dispatch but no other finisher
nimble sage
well you cast BtE as much as possible (at the proper finisher rules) during crac...
do we use it in vanish windows regardless of if we got the ruthless precision or not?
nimble sage
right so if i got it correctly - ruthless precision changes nothing basically?
glass mortar
fatebound has a BtE outside vanish optimization for it
for trickster there is no rules around it tho ye
nimble sage
alright thanks, just to make sure - is there ANY buff that changes our gameplay?
glass mortar
well broadsides transforms your builder rules a bit since it buffs how many CP you gen
but thats the most direct one
nimble sage
thanks
fallow hinge
but thats the most direct one
ur the most direct one
fallow hinge
huge
keen belfry
is that better than 4k?
fallow hinge
yay
sudden fulcrum
now do 20
fallow hinge
then 21
just wait for midnight
stat squish gonna make our r.io rating higher than our dps
huge 3k dps key
we back in tbc cuhs
cold jewel
ill stat ur squish
fallow hinge
remember when a rogue was the first player to break the 4k dps barrier on kil'jaeden
fallow hinge
ill stat ur squish
well I'll squish ur stat
cold jewel
fair enough
covert kestrel
I love stat squish
covert kestrel
Going from 10m overall to like 10k dps is so fun
glass mortar
π
sudden fulcrum
well I'll squish ur stat
some people pay for that kinda stuff
fallow hinge
some people pay for that kinda stuff
good, I need money
fallow hinge
we peaked in wotlk hp
I remember being so excited that I saw a guardian druid with over a million health in Dalaran one time
covert kestrel
good, I need money
Feet?
glass mortar
feet.
sudden fulcrum
alleria-driving-by-on-motorcycle-licking-xalatath's-toes.gif
glass mortar
nimble sage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766349238941777931/1294179081151189036/lm...
my cue to sleep
fallow hinge
as if that's actually a fukken gif, blegh
fallow hinge
WCP?
covert kestrel
glass mortar
mhmmmm
fallow hinge
what happened to the shadow I loved
now it's all feet degeneracy
I yearn for a simpler time, when knaifu was just knaifu
glass mortar
these people would abandon the alliance/horde for the void faction if xal called them good boys in a heart beat
cant trust a shadow priest main
fallow hinge
that's why they removed surrender to madness as a talent... too many priests had already surrendered to it irl
haughty wigeon
I yearn for a simpler time, when knaifu was just knaifu
fallow hinge
https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal%27atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385...
as much as I love Xal'atath as a villain, the feet thing really gets under my skin
why reduce her to that, she's so much cooler as a whole entity
glass mortar
at least xal owns it
glass mortar
could u imagine if we had sylvanas feet floating around as one of our main characters
id have given up
haughty wigeon
alot of the focus on her feet was unneeded and yet it happened
i guess if you wanna be artsy fartsy about it
fallow hinge
alot of the focus on her feet was unneeded and yet it happened
fan service.
glass mortar
i think it was one of those things where people memed it and they leaned into the memes and now its become a self feeding loop
fallow hinge
They know where the money is
haughty wigeon
she sees all of us as benethe her feet
haughty wigeon
less than the ground she walks on
glass mortar
even in the wow community
fallow hinge
theres no way this many people r actually into feet
apparently people can rake in like 10k$ per month on that site with it
glass mortar
like troll feet have been out and about for decades now
lazy mf
speciest is what it is
haughty wigeon
humans, dwarves, gnomes, goblins
and mayube orcs?
well atleast pre demon possession orcs
be intuned with nature and what not
glass mortar
oh the hot void elf ladys feet are amazing but my tauren/troll/draeni that has had its feet it for the last 20 years isnt good enough for you
π
i see how it is
fallow hinge
hey now
the draenei hooves and tail are two of the main reasons my priest was one for years
LFD is my fav race
glass mortar
space goats were good, my first enhance shaman was a spacegoat
fallow hinge
they still are yo
haughty wigeon
i race swapped for lfd
i didnt like how small the weapons are on the female models
and the male models still have the floaty shoulder issue orcs had
rocky kiln
!fuu
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foggy badger
anyone try ptr yet? favourite trinkets?
lone spear
anyone try ptr yet? favourite trinkets?
i like the one use damage one cause the sound and animation is sick
eager rose
If you were to change kspree's name, what would you name her now?
lone spear
bullet time 
covert kestrel
If you were to change kspree's name, what would you name her now?
American School Simulator 2k25
junior coral
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neat mist
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> is it time
?
you gonna do that again ?
i told you its annoying
vivid vessel
nah
proven ocean
zac ..
vivid vessel
no
vivid vessel
no
proven ocean
ok ..
vivid vessel
thanks
proven ocean
np ..
zac
@vivid vessel
didnt realize i gapped r2 while being a shitelf
might swap to maghar orc and nuke r1 all stars or someshit idk
vivid vessel
big gamer
proven ocean
i did weird cd timings tho i think
magic pollen
do we roll in subterfuge window ?
proven ocean
i did kingsbane at 2 mins
no deathmark till 3 mins
cuz i knew he'd die before 4 mins
ig house of cards would've been better
magic pollen
do we roll in subterfuge window ?
ripe ibex
yes
magic pollen
that feels kinda wierd
ripe ibex
its good actually
just try to make sure you can use both of the supercharged cp on bte
otherwise you can wait till aftersubterfuge
proven ocean
@vivid vessel HOLY SHMOLY TOMORROW NEW DUNGEONS WHAT THE COW?!?!?!
GOOOOD DAAAAAAAAAYUM
vivid vessel
its the current season dungeons i think
fallen knot
4k andy gz
proven ocean
oh
vivid vessel
let me hceck
fallen knot
already dm'd you but still
fallen knot
4K ZAC IS 4K RIO BTW HELLO GZ
proven ocean
oh dawnbreaker and ara
thats good enough zac
imo
will be fun to test op classes in floodgates
lol
see if we get a turbo big momma kill or someshit
1st amp = dead
proven ocean
LMAO
vivid vessel
i hope they do stuffs for tomorrow
proven ocean
ikr
vivid vessel
i hope outlaw
proven ocean
i want
vivid vessel
isnt fucked another week
proven ocean
rogue changes across the board
ngl
btw zac i sangbagged outlaw in raid ptr apparently theres a spreadsheet
that shows dps
i afk'ed half the fight and missing 2-3 buffs
π
vivid vessel
I did tho cuh
i had
you know at start of day
for like
2 hours
insane lag
doing about half the dps i can be doing
big sandbagger 
proven ocean
I did tho cuh
u mean too?
proven ocean
too !
proven ocean
i played outlaw abit with moadmoad earlier kinda miss live outlaw man
ptr sucks man
u know what';ll make KS so great
if it does all it's 7 cp dmg in 2 sec window
imagine that or?
and
make it not cost CP
and not generate CP
would be nice since its 3 min cd
no?
vivid vessel
hm
proven ocean
if it does all it's 7 cp dmg in 2 sec window
or 1.5 sec
proven ocean
no like
vivid vessel
a short channel
proven ocean
it'll be like coup
vivid vessel
would go crazy
fallow hinge
ur another finisher
proven ocean
doesnt cost or give anything
vivid vessel
yeee
proven ocean
why not
proven ocean
hmm
proven ocean
sure i agree ye
proven ocean
ghostly strikes sucked when we didnt minmax it then it became our favorite spell
vivid vessel
0 feedback
proven ocean
ghostly strikes sucked when we didnt minmax it then it became our favorite spell
back in DF
fallow hinge
spec's so heavy on the cdr element that it'd feel weird
proven ocean
if u remember
vivid vessel
ye sure
proven ocean
i mean
it was a dead button
it was just annoying
maybe KS will be the same if it did what i said up there
so i see what u mean ye
gives barely something and an annoying button to press
i guess it can always be 2 sec channel but make it do dmg per cp and buff its dmg by 50-100% @vivid vessel ?
1 cp KS = 2 sec
7 cp KS = 2 sec = way more dmg
proven ocean
but idk
2 sec too long
i think 1.5 is perfect
for mechanics
etc
slightly longer than coup but
not too long
u feel me or
vivid vessel
should be 2 gcd
proven ocean
sure
vivid vessel
in regard to adr
vivid vessel
it wont ever happen tho
proven ocean
ye true
vivid vessel
on live we kept complaining about cast being too long
and they just made it longer
like
proven ocean
but idk man KS has to be tested for any changes, even if we make up our own spell
vivid vessel
there is a phylosophy here
proven ocean
realz is the only one
vivid vessel
which i dont understand
vivid vessel
but they cclearly wnat us to afk so
proven ocean
its impossible for perfect tuning zac
proven ocean
but they cclearly wnat us to afk so
idk sims say otherwise
which is tilting
bad tuning for a rly flawed design
proven ocean
yeah i agree
its bad numerically and feeling
this iteration of outlaw i feel like u just cant make up changes without actually trying them out first
its a disaster of many different things going on
haughty wigeon
i afk'ed half the fight and missing 2-3 buffs
the spreadsheet appears every ptr
keen belfry
shoutout @vivid vessel for host
glass mortar
god we r gunna be adding nochanneling to our dispatch and bte arent we
for this new kspree
@vivid vessel
lime lake
glass mortar
i really wish they could implement channels in such a way u could spellqueue out of em
tender wedge
god we r gunna be adding nochanneling to our dispatch and bte arent we
at current state yes
tender wedge
i expect it'll get changed again to stop such behaviour but will that happen before 11.2? doubt
glass mortar
stop which behaviour
tender wedge
cancelling channel early
glass mortar
oh i mean u wouldnt use nochanneling macros if u wanted to cancel it since they prevent u from canceling it
but yea i assume realz will at least deign to buff it enough that we dont wanna cancel it
if nothing else
vivid vessel
god we r gunna be adding nochanneling to our dispatch and bte arent we
Already have that in all my spells cause of guzzler
glass mortar
LMAO
tender wedge
but yea i assume realz will at least deign to buff it enough that we dont wanna ...
my only worry is WW were cancelling FoF for like...entire xpacs, even through bandaid fixes
so how long will it take
glass mortar
yea if we end up how ww was when they have clearly figured out how to make WW cast FoF fully finally
then that would be
a failure of design id say
gunna be honest new kspree is cool enough id prefer if it was the same cd as old kspree but half the channel duration
double cd + one of the longest cast times in the game feels a bit troll on outlaw
and then if we end up cancelling it, even sometimes its like ok
waited 45s to cast the ability thats supposed to feel high impact
tender wedge
i think the easiest fix is to cap the duration and make CPs increase damage per second, probably remove the CP generation too
glass mortar
then i just cancel it for a finisher
proven ocean
@vivid vessel will ui watch breaking bad later btw
its rly good
watching better call saul now
idk why u want shows that finish fast
these 2 shows are absolutely legendary
better than 99% of all shows u watched probably zac
idle scaffold
Do yall remember the Roll buff icon or do yall still check the buff? Idk if I should use WA to see my buffs or just take time to remember the icon
proven ocean
Do yall remember the Roll buff icon or do yall still check the buff? Idk if I sh...
!rtb
ornate heathBOT
How to use RTB
(
HO build)
- Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including
CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.
(
KIR build)
- Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing
KIR instead of being rolled off. - Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
- Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
- Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
- If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.
The faq elaborates on these rules.
proven ocean
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
proven ocean
rtb tracker
kir at 4 buffs, milk it till last sec for CTO
reroll at yellow
blue/red dont reroll
ez
idle scaffold
So, I should use WA?
proven ocean
if u want to be a top rogue yes
if ur playing casually just remember to press rtb after kir
idle scaffold
Pika still play WoW, so sadly being top rogue is full lol
proven ocean
who tf is pika
if u mean pikaboo hes just a pvp player that knows how to cc
and pvp
pve is a whole different world
idle scaffold
I mean, he still is pretty good at rogue in general. He knows how to play in pve, he just doesn't do pve much
proven ocean
i highly doubt he can do any high end pve content at all
a good pvp rogue sure, pve rogue i dont think so not even close
glass mortar
i agree i dont think he could do any keys past 10s tbh
not because of ability but because regardless of this dumb hypothetical he would never want to
midnight granite
Thats more accurate
proven ocean
u guys pretend that he can just login and do a +21 key
glass mortar
i dont think anyone said that
glass mortar
u pretend it would be impossible for a player playing an aspect of this game at a top world player to transition to another high end
cutting edge is def piss easy
proven ocean
i didnt say he cant transition
glass mortar
being a finalist at blizzcon arena tourny
midnight granite
Ce is a fucking jokd
proven ocean
im saying he cant do it right now
foggy moat
Class packs:
- <:guy:1171759097314545664> [Guy's - Afenar's Edit](<https://wago....
Am a new rogue and am having a problem tracking buffs for 6 and 8 here. Does anyone have a recommendation for one that gives good indicators to help with this?
glass mortar
bit more hard
proven ocean
hes saying hes the best rogue player
hes not even top 20 best rogues in pve
xd
he wont even be top 100 until alot of practice
midnight granite
Thats a take
glass mortar
thats true
just like if u tried to pvp tomorrow u wouldnt be able to make top 100 rogues world for months
proven ocean
ur cooked if u think hes as good as zac, jpc, casuladdict, me, yarrgi, speed, etc etc
proven ocean
ur cooked if u think hes as good as zac, jpc, casuladdict, me, yarrgi, speed, et...
in m+
glass mortar
but this person clearly wasnt considering m+ rogues when they thought of best rogues in the world
because who the fuck thinks about "best of a spec" like that
u understand like 90% of the playerbase doesnt care about io past getting into their keys right
wintry solar
I assumed he meant notoriety
proven ocean
ur cooked if u think hes as good as zac, jpc, casuladdict, me, yarrgi, speed, et...
its like ur saying none of these guys can play pvp which isn't true we just hate pvp
same as him he hates pve
xd
u guys are just bringing up new arguments to argue
glass mortar
theyd probably consider a high end pvp tourny winner to be a "better" player then a high io pusher
proven ocean
because both ends hate the other end
proven ocean
but this person clearly wasnt considering m+ rogues when they thought of best ro...
best rogues in the world do m+
the rest are all washed the hell up
wintry solar
If I were a M+ main, I'd hate pvp too for having better rewards.
proven ocean
best rogue raiders are the ones who play m+ the most weran
glass mortar
sure, the best players in the video game of my spec are proven by engaging in the content i think is the hardest
which is why all the best rogue players in the game are pvpers for me
proven ocean
jpc and kush both pushed m+ btw
glass mortar
im sure they are m+ guys for u
proven ocean
best 2 raider rogues out there
dude idk what ur usual nonsense takes but a pvp player is always gonna suck in pve no matter what because he hates it
and same with any pve rogue
glass mortar
and they appear to be pvpers for this guy also
glass mortar
there is such a huge disconnect here its a bit funny
glass mortar
ross i dont think anyone here except maybe blu is saying pika would be able to top rio m+ keys
ur shadowboxing pretty hard rn
foggy moat
Am a new rogue and am having a problem tracking buffs for 6 and 8 here. Does any...
Would someone not glazing himself be able to help me with a quick question
glass mortar
w/e
midnight granite
Zeros can't read bro he's french
proven ocean
thats literally the whoel argument of pikaboo not being able to do high m+
glass mortar
u just assumed when that guy said best rogue in the game he gave a fuck about io
when clearly he cares about pvp
proven ocean
and ur just bringing up random info that doesnt matter to that argument
glass mortar
and honestly same so
proven ocean
i mean
torpid fiber
Would someone not glazing himself be able to help me with a quick question
$wa
$was
what the hell
midnight granite
Pika could do wf keys if you gave him like 2 weeks to learn the dungeons ez
glass mortar
different skill sets for different people
torpid fiber
an I dumb
proven ocean
idk if hes even the best in pvp, i never heard of a single best pvp player on any class except trill as a pve'er and that says alot ngl
glass mortar
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
proven ocean
especially that trill wins
foggy moat
That's what I was replying to
proven ocean
and pika barely wins
proven ocean
Pika could do wf keys if you gave him like 2 weeks to learn the dungeons ez
π sure bud
he prob wont even reach +18 btw without the help of his viewers
torpid fiber
If you want a specialised WA for just those two, edit your current WA yourself, it's an easy change to make
glass mortar
Am a new rogue and am having a problem tracking buffs for 6 and 8 here. Does any...
rule 6 only really matters for fatebound u can largely ignore it as trickster
rule 8 i mean i just know which one of my RtB buffs on the tracker is broadsides
proven ocean
he prob wont even reach +18 btw without the help of his viewers
i'd be surprised if he even did a +15
knowing how hard it is to join grp's rn
glass mortar
ah yes now the character attacking
ross its ok, u dont need to respect people for being good at pvp
nobody here was saying pikas a god at pve
who are u fighting rn
proven ocean
im not attacking anyone here weran
glass mortar
just because we dont care about io
saying u dont think he could even do an 18 without viewer help
proven ocean
i think ur missing the point weran
glass mortar
thats attacking a little bit no?
red zinc
Surely both of yall got better shit to do
proven ocean
as a rogue in pve it takes alot of practice to be good in pve
wintry solar
Lol
midnight granite
i'd be surprised if he even did a +15
Why does he have to do it solo pug?
proven ocean
and u all are pretending that he can be one of the best players in 2 weeks
glass mortar
as a rogue in pvp it takes alot of practice to be good in pvp
midnight granite
Cmon man
midnight granite
Being able to pull your weight and do the key is more than enough lmao
proven ocean
he could time 18s in 2 weeks
no he cant 
but ok
glass mortar
idk who ur even arguing with
bro
ur not even
im not gunna put any effort in
what a waste
lime lake
midnight granite
proven ocean
i know right
red zinc
Leave your computer
proven ocean
weran, fix msg plz
spring bay
rule 6 only really matters for fatebound u can largely ignore it as trickster
by ignore you mean just cast bte as much as possible?
wintry solar
WOW
midnight granite
glass mortar
i didnt see his mesages argue with him if u wanna
wintry solar
Now that's an attack
glass mortar
i was just pointing out u guys clearly valued different things
and the argument was silly
proven ocean
so nobody of value
my guy even said a WF key π
glass mortar
u and the original guy
midnight granite
18s are piss bro anyone can time them cmon
proven ocean
i've seen some pvp r1's play pve
lime lake
ez
proven ocean
i dont think anyone is able to explain
how bad they are
u see that dent
in the head
midnight granite
They have bad frames
proven ocean
thats all the pvp ratings sinking down
glass mortar
ya people r usually pretty bad when they try new content for the first time ever
midnight granite
Fix frames and it's gg
red zinc
<:Dentge:1229191197944451153>
Nice selfie
glass mortar
almost as funny as when mythic raiders need boosts to get pve gear from pvp
cause they cant break 1800
facing people keyboard turning
west ridge
pika did do keys this season btw
glass mortar
or high io bangers
proven ocean
ya people r usually pretty bad when they try new content for the first time ever
same with any pve player playing pvp they'll suck
dawn talon
i've seen some pvp r1's play pve
it's legit completely different skillset
it's like saying
glass mortar
yeye i agree entirely tbh
west ridge
obv he was pretty bad
dawn talon
i was good at cs
proven ocean
it's legit completely different skillset
exactly
west ridge
the interest aint there
proven ocean
ye
glass mortar
the skillset of being good at games is transferable, but the actual skills used in pvp vs pve r very different
midnight granite
so i have to be good at wow
This is true tho
glass mortar
u need to train them
glass mortar
high end dungeons is alot about knowing what mobs do in the dungeon specifically to know what ur stopping and such
glass mortar
high end pvp is knowing basically every defensive and offensive of every spec in the game
proven ocean
its not even close, i respect that pika is good in pvp, im afraid he isn't even close to acceptable in pve, same for me and zac, any rogue u find in pvp finder will be 100% better than both of us combined in pvp
dawn talon
to play in a wr50 guild
west ridge
now if her was 100% focused and committed to doing pve and did keys every single day
glass mortar
so u can react to them in realtime during arena
dawn talon
in the same way i had to lock in to play esea
west ridge
ye he'd be pretty fucking good
midnight granite
Zeros not wrong tho, most r1s are dog at pve
west ridge
but not in 2 weeks
midnight granite
But pika built dif
dawn talon
i could go play valorant and farm ppl in 3 days
proven ocean
gap the best, no he cant
glass mortar
idk i dont rlly believe any r1 would struggle to do higher keys (not the highest) if they put the effort in
proven ocean
how can a random guy beat the best when im the best 
dawn talon
but u can't just swap required skillsets entirely
tender wedge
you're getting baited now lol
dawn talon
and diff ppl
glass mortar
they just really really dont care
very different games
if ur not passionate about it
u wont be good at it
midnight granite
how can a random guy beat the best when im the best <:EZ:586649718499573766>
Best at dying in ks or whay
midnight granite
proven ocean
tried searching in the history books i only found blu everywhere
dawn talon
if ur not passionate about it
lots of players are just passionate about improving
dawn talon
but idk how much that's true in wow
proven ocean
blu dying
dawn talon
specifically
midnight granite
On god
proven ocean
blu failing mechanics
midnight granite
Blu be dying to ks
midnight granite
Greens even
dawn talon
like i knew ppl who would drift around between fps games
wintry solar
I'm good at every fps no cap
wintry solar
All of em
midnight granite
Nah pug life is ass
dawn talon
when i used to farm these players
midnight granite
Washed
idle scaffold
At least we can agree that Pikaboo is top 1 in pvp
west ridge
nah
wintry solar
At least we can agree that Pikaboo is top 1 in pvp
Mes is
west ridge
whazz is
midnight granite
Whazz washed bro
glass mortar
i mean pika is by definition top 1 right now since hes basically retired
midnight granite
Cmon
glass mortar
he is my goat of post rekful era tho
west ridge
bro he literally just won a tourny lol
glass mortar
unmatched vibes and positivity and skill mixing
midnight granite
wintry solar
Now I'm sad
midnight granite
Only cause pika quit bro
proven ocean
At least we can agree that Pikaboo is top 1 in pvp
ngl u know what i hate the most about pvpers
wintry solar
Pika classic andy
proven ocean
is that every single one of you are stupid as fuck and u think streamer = best player
wintry solar
No
midnight granite
Thats literally u
midnight granite
Zac streamer = best player
proven ocean
OMGOMGOGMOGMGOM
midnight granite
proven ocean
he said what he does
west ridge
is that every single one of you are stupid as fuck and u think streamer = best p...
pot=kettle
proven ocean
i cba with pvp watchers
dawn talon
i need to play 500 games of tracer and ill be
glass mortar
yea its definitly what he said and not that he wont the match or has a very strong tourny record
west ridge
pvp players=pve players
proven ocean
average twitch chatter on pvp streams
glass mortar
what r u even saying rn?
west ridge
they are all stupid
wintry solar
i cba with pvp watchers
WoW content in general is so boring
glass mortar
every single rogue mentioned in this convo has won tournies
several have won blizzcons
idle scaffold
We have stats that said he is the best, wydm???
midnight granite
what r u even saying rn?
It's zeros bro he just yappin
dawn talon
super pge zeruhh lip supersoldier lab made gamer
proven ocean
i dont need to play pvp to know that pika isn't the best in pvp
lots of players are way better than him
trill and other gamers
midnight granite
Name one
glass mortar
lots is a stretch
glass mortar
name lots of players that have been in blizzcon finals
wintry solar
Bro said cdew
proven ocean
they always win
idle scaffold
And all of players ain't Pika
midnight granite
Bro said cdew
west ridge
cdew did beat him
proven ocean
the global finals
west ridge
in blizzcon
west ridge
whazz>pika imo
west ridge
but pika is still really good
proven ocean
how u guys just glaze on pika that much
wintry solar
Is this really glazing?
proven ocean
i respect him and i know hes good but saying hes the best pvper in the world is absolutely cooked and that just shows how ur a twitch viewer that likes watching streams
idle scaffold
I will glaze Pika anytime for free
glass mortar
man is incredibly skilled and entertaining at the same time what do u expect
wintry solar
It's the objective truth
chilly atlas
proven ocean
man is incredibly skilled and entertaining at the same time what do u expect
i agree, but weran i know 1-2 players that are always in r1 btw
idk if its hate but they told me pika is bad
proven ocean
but i dont recall pika being the best player at all
dawn talon
everyone hates eachother