outlaw

[quaint sable]

Ye is probs fine

[vivid vessel]

thing is

if you die mid run

you cant do that

so

[leaden hazel]

Oof, true. that's absolute garbage

[quaint sable]

Just dont die

Ever

[mighty pivot]

Extra challenging with the crashes this patch introduced

[crimson thicket]

How cooked am I if my guild is looking for another rogue

[fallow hinge]

very

[mighty pivot]

Have them recruit ryukage and you'll be safe

[flat needle]

There are two raidbuff poisons so lets pray you are fine.
Also just 5 roll all the time and get those 4+ ace procs and absolutely smoke the other rogue to show dominance

[fallow hinge]

is the mind numbing one even useful outside of like one fight?

[inland acorn]

No

[fallow hinge]

exactly

[crimson thicket]

Slightly meming but I've never seen two rogues in deep prog. Fwiw we killed Gally six weeks ago

[fallow hinge]

is it still prog if you've already killed gally?

[crimson thicket]

No i meant for future tiers

We are just reclearing atm

[mighty pivot]

They might have insider info from realz that rogues will be blasting

[vivid vessel]

Every single guild I ever had I progged double rogue

Even my current one we were double rogue on gally

[crimson thicket]

I seriously doubt that. Yeah but youre EU and prog faster. I'm not in a HoF

[flat needle]

Target cap removal confirmed, you heard it here first

[vivid vessel]

If you aren't hof isn't that better ?

They will care even less about double rogueing

[crimson thicket]

Nah coz by time we get to deep prog subtlety already been nerfed to hell

[vivid vessel]

So

I'm confusion

[crimson thicket]

So rogue is not tuned well why not bring another dev evoker later in tier over a second rogue

Early prog yes rogue good

[vivid vessel]

What is this scenario this

Tho

I don't think rogue ever got nerfed this way no?

If anything it usually get buffed doesn't it

[crimson thicket]

Mythic guilds who kill eight to nine weeks slower than your type of guild. I swore sub got nerfed around time bandit did or little earlier

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[crimson thicket]

But I was no where near bandit when that happened

[vivid vessel]

Did sub get nerfed this tier

I think assa got buffed

[crimson thicket]

I could swore it did maybe im brain dead

[vivid vessel]

Nah I don't think it did

I think every other spec in the game got buffed tho

[crimson thicket]

Or sub overperformed early because no gear

[vivid vessel]

By then assa got buffed

[crimson thicket]

And their burst is good

[vivid vessel]

So a lot of people swapped to adds

Assa

[crimson thicket]

Either way, im cooked 🍳

[errant quarry]

We started Mug’Zee prog last night and if we had a second rogue who performed as well as the one we have we’d take them in a heartbeat 🤷‍♂️

[flat needle]

I swapped to assa as well, lasted half a raid evening (had to recraft my gear mid raid because i was almost dying from boredom while playing assa in ST)

[vivid vessel]

Ye mug is a good double rogue boss

[crimson thicket]

I'll keep you in mind once I get booted @errant quarry

[vivid vessel]

Why tho I don't get it

I just told you I had more competitive Guids play double rogues

[errant quarry]

I’m not a stinky NA player so you’re shit outta luck

[vivid vessel]

Didn't care about comps

[crimson thicket]

Lmao

[wintry solar]

The stink is just aura

[vivid vessel]

Unless you are bad and then that's another issue isn't it

[crimson thicket]

I believe you, i think its a mindset.

[errant quarry]

If you’re progging late personal performance is far more important than spec

[crimson thicket]

[wintry solar]

Maybe this is your guilds way of subtley calling you bad?

[crimson thicket]

Good one

[wintry solar]

I did that before

My gdudu was in the call and everything

[crimson thicket]

I thought you were making a subtlety joke

[wintry solar]

I thought about but I'm better than that

I wouldn't want people to go through that

[fresh obsidian]

What's wrong with sub?

[wintry solar]

They have more builds

In both spec and class tree.

They took dreadblades

[crimson thicket]

I prefer jersey Mike's

[wintry solar]

Gouge and disarm pvp talent

Sniped our aoe blind

Now we gotta share it

[crimson thicket]

I hate sharing

Unless its kisses

[wintry solar]

There's more but I'm at work

They have a good mastery

Better Supercharger applicator

Am I envious?

No

I'm jealous

I don't want them to have it

[crimson thicket]

We both need therapy

[wintry solar]

Sub will need physical therapy

[crimson thicket]

My god

I am behind you brother fk that spec

[wintry solar]

Their trickster is better

Oh my God they even have blade flurry

[crimson thicket]

Nimble flurry

They're thieves

[hardy thicket]

Sub is like the only spec that is endureable to play as this class if Outlaw is terribad

Sub is cool

And I said endureable

[wintry solar]

They have CDR

They want to be Outlaw so bad

[hardy thicket]

We're really in trouble when assa overperforms because then i'd rather just play another class tbh

[haughty moat]

or just stay outlaw und dont give a damn fuck!

[fresh obsidian]

Damn, point made.

[tender wedge]

assa overperforming is kinda ok by me but it's very much like "sigh guess we're palying assa again" you know? like im not MAD im just bleh

[errant quarry]

I’m considering picking up rogue as an alt with a view to switching mains in midnight, I think the fatebound coin animation is cool and that current killing spree looks more fun than the new one. How much therapy do I need?

[tender wedge]

yes

[crimson thicket]

Its totally possible fatebound sees absolutely no play with outlaw but if its fun who i am to judge you. (Don't do it)

[wintry solar]

We can only say that about assa

I'll def judge you for sub

[errant quarry]

Damn, sub was going to be my backup for when outlaw feels like I’m inting

[wintry solar]

I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying at least 2 people here would judge

[vivid vessel]

We probably play fateboudn in raid and trickster in keys next tier

Unless they massively fuck up

Which would be hard

Even for blizzard

[wintry solar]

The ideal situation frfr

[errant quarry]

I’d only be messing around with lower keys any crap anyway to see if I can click with rogue. On paper the class has a lot of the things I love, but it’s the class I’ve played the least so it’s possible it doesn’t click with my brain

Or that I’m too old to play outlaw

[reef ruin]

Hey guys I didnt have a chance to play PTR

[errant quarry]

Gotta get off my warlock for my mental though so next tier I’ll be maining either warrior or if I’m feeling passive aggressive towards my guild surv

[reef ruin]

Does the new killing spree work with BF?

[mighty pivot]

Yes

[wintry solar]

Imagine Thistle Tea

Right?

But

It's not Thistle Tea and it's something else that's good.

Thoughts?

[mighty pivot]

It would have to be better than supercharger

[wintry solar]

I thought we'd take 4 capstones. dang.

[mighty pivot]

Since we are hard locked into vanish and extra combo

[wintry solar]

Or

It could be better

Than

[wintry solar]

What if it was so strong we werent

What if tho

Crazy idea I know

Not both at the same time

[mighty pivot]

The craziest idea is imagining getting more than one change for the entire patch (set changes don't count because it's a new tier)

Thistle tea is awful though

Especially that auto consume part. How thirsty do you have to be?

[wintry solar]

For eel dude

[wintry solar]

I thought what I said was crazy

[mighty pivot]

And CB is already a non-choice

SC is fun tbh I don't mind being pigeonholed like that there

[wintry solar]

Let's replace that instead

At least assa and sub get use out of tea

[mighty pivot]

Sub uses CB because they have finishers which do actual damage

But if they were to replace CB they would have to rework that failbound talent too

And even if CB was eventually good for KS, they don't line up properly with 3min base cd

That's like what 30s real cd on KS, but CB is 45s

[wintry solar]

Crap

Yeah

[mighty pivot]

Tbh they fucked up all the timings of outlaw on PTR. But it's all getting fixed this week it will be perfection

[wintry solar]

For sure

No doubt at all

Realz told us to put in feedback this time

Feeling good

[mighty pivot]

The first two ptr weeks were just now the real(z) changes release

[vivid vessel]

I hope

It's not just feedback

To say

They listen to feedback

Just to not listen to feedback

For example increasing the cd of ks to "fix" new ks

Was litteraly the worse change they could have done to fix ks

It does something sure

But it doesn't actually fix any of the issues

Just make them happen less often

• brick trickster

Which

I don't get how that wasn't addressed at all

Like are we just fine nerfing trickster 10% for free?

Or what

[errant quarry]

What are the issues from the new KS? I assume it has something to do with the cp regen messing with the flow in some way?

I've just noticed the pin, which was somewhat illuminating

[gaunt phoenix]

the channel duration is really long, especially for the kir build as it doesnt have haste talents

^ it is worth to cancel killing spree at 7cp instead of letting it finish

building cp is awkward because you want to press SS to proc the free unseen blades after KS, would rather it just consume its own unseen blades

also the cooldown nerf was kind of a massive nerf to trickster

[vivid vessel]

if you enjoy reading i talked about it here https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-rogue-changes-feedback/2120193/3 and here https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-rogue-changes-feedback/2120193/57

[gaunt phoenix]

yea there is some broader feedback about unseen blade annoyances

[vivid vessel]

i think unseen blade minigame was maybe fine when 90% of our ub came from ks

and even then

not great

but with ks cd nerf and new 2p

i would rather we jsut remove the minigame

creates unnesseray difficulty with the spec anyway

for once i wont be mad about simplifying outlaw

[errant quarry]

What I've understood about the unseen blade stuff from reading on the john (in general, not just as it related to KS) does seem horrible and entirely avoidable

[vivid vessel]

well rogue hero trees

were not iterated uppon

even once ?

so ye

each of them have a bunch of quirks

annoyances

and straight up bad designs

that were never adressed

because they just dropped the trees

then that was it

[errant quarry]

It's sad 'cause as a casual observer my first impression is "these seem cool and thematic, there's potential here. Oh wait, it's not beta anymore"

[crimson thicket]

Didn't the original tree have something to do with feint being a damage cooldown?

[mighty pivot]

Yes and it was worse

[crimson thicket]

Lmao

Realz was a wild one for that

[vivid vessel]

yes but it was never a thing

that was before we even played with it

[late swallow]

Good morning outlaws

[crimson thicket]

Yeah I remember

[gaunt phoenix]

11.2 PTR part 3 - sims?!

Update <t:1753027740:R> - These are outdated after the buffs to Killing Spree, there will be a more accurate summary on release.

The tier sets and KS have been implemented in SimC so we can start to make some initial comparisons and observations. The numbers will certainly change by release but regardless the data is still interesting.

So far both HO and KIR prefer Loaded Dice over Sleight of Hand.

1. Fatebound 2pc is really strong. It's worth ~13% dps for this example ST profile while the 4pc is worth ~4%.

   • With no rotation changes from live, the Lucky Coin could proc around 14 times over 5 minutes. So even in keys where you are expected to lose the coin between some pulls, on average you will quickly get it back.

2. Trickster 2pc (~5.5%) and 4pc (~5.5%) are not quite as strong though the power level is still expected from a typical tier set.

   • Update <t:1751583060:R> -- The 2pc was changed to make all Unseen Blades have a 30% chance to strike twice. This is a great change as it can be tracked and makes us feel less forced to consume UB. There is some awkwardness with overcapping EB, would be nice if EB could cap out at 8 stacks or something.

3. Changing KS's cooldown to 180s was about an ~8% nerf to HO Trickster, a little less for KIR with no rotation changes. However it is possible that the longer KS cooldown changes Vanish rules a bit.

4. As you can see Fatebound is suggested to be extremely favorable on ST. Fatebound is so strong on low target counts that it potentially is not too far from Trickster for M+ overall, though it will definitely depend on your pulls and how much you value the different damage profile that Trickster brings. Trickster vs Fatebound in keys could be an open question instead of Trickster just being the goto choice.

5. The KIR build is looking favorable over the HO build generally. If you play Trickster they should be closer, but Fatebound strongly prefers KIR at the moment.

• This is expected as HO is carried by the current tier+Sleight+Supercharger build, it probably needs tuning to compete with KIR without it.
• It is possible for HO to play Vigor+Lethality instead of Supercharger, will have to cook with it a bit.

6. So far it seems worth to cancel Killing Spree at 7cp with BtE/Dispatch instead of letting the channel finish.

• Perhaps an indicator that KS's duration should be reduced.

[late swallow]

HOLY

FIRST

[crimson thicket]

fatebound ALL THE TIME? OH BABY

[late swallow]

Fatebound kir we are so back

[crimson thicket]

[quiet ore]

It was never gone, you just gotta believe

[vivid vessel]

fatebonud has a shit damage profile and doesnt have perma tricks

[crimson thicket]

Who asked

[quiet ore]

That is true tho

[royal bane]

but my 😦

[vivid vessel]

if fatebound has to be played in m+ outlaw is just bad

[crimson thicket]

Can they just take away the part that says we do less damage with more targets nearby

[late swallow]

Perma trix is huge tho

[vivid vessel]

ye i wish

[quiet ore]

Wait, the fb m+ util nodes are kinda ok - they're small DR, iirc?

[vivid vessel]

rng dr isnt it

trickster is perma 5% dr

but perma tricks is op anyway

[crimson thicket]

Having to cast tricks is fuckin annoying for sure

[vivid vessel]

i want taht in my keys

[crimson thicket]

Same

Maybe they can make one of the fatebound choice nodes have perma tricks kekw

[royal bane]

I wish they would put the perma tricks in the class tree so even if fatebound is ahead I'm happy

[crimson thicket]

Ooooh

Then trickster could get a good talent in that spot

[quiet ore]

Double grapple tho

[gaunt phoenix]

You already double grapple

[late swallow]

Next tier built around the grapple node????

[royal bane]

Double grapple is fun but it's not often I need to grapple 4 time in a row

[quiet ore]

Double double grapple

[vivid vessel]

ok ut

i would have agreed before

but 4 grapple is useless outside of memes

[gaunt phoenix]

how often do you desire 4 grapples at once

[vivid vessel]

2 grapple is very cool

out in

[crimson thicket]

Whenever you grapple all threat is redirected to healer and you take fifty percent less damage for three seconds

[vivid vessel]

4 is useless

[quiet ore]

When you really really gotta get somewhere fast

And/or grapple bugs

[vivid vessel]

never

[crimson thicket]

Dornogal sprint

[mighty pivot]

When you die and you need to rejoin the group

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[royal bane]

grappling creates a cloud of smoke to your location, attacks from the cloud apply fazed

[crimson thicket]

W

Ror five head

[late swallow]

All util spells should be reworked as offense spells tbh

[crimson thicket]

Yeah im not using utility for my own health

Give me a bonus to it

[quiet ore]

Who knows, maybe there'll be some encounter where the DK "can't be slowed below 70%" meme talent choice will be relevant

[quiet ore]

This thinking gave us modern Vanish

[late swallow]

That delve trinket should be baked into sprint

[crimson thicket]

Which delve trinket

[late swallow]

Evasion should proc riposte

[late swallow]

Scroll of momentum

[hybrid crown]

They should make blind a 30 second cd in pve

[crimson thicket]

Energy drink? I carry Baileys in my shoes

[torpid fiber]

They should make blind blind your screen when you use it

[wintry solar]

If certain conditions are met btw

[hybrid crown]

Shaman gets cap totem and 24 second thunderstorm which just makes me feel like rogue is lacking

[late swallow]

Is that the death’s advance node?

[crimson thicket]

Blind should flashbang enemy players in pvp. If they have oled sizzle their irises

[quiet ore]

The choice node with double grapple

[late swallow]

Oh haha I totally forgot we have that too

[crimson thicket]

When you use blind in pve the enemies should start screaming my EYESSSSS

[late swallow]

Such a nothingburger talent

[quiet ore]

Well, it was kinda huge before we lost shadow step and got 2nd grapple in tree

[vivid vessel]

Ye it was

[wintry solar]

The only time quad grapple has use is in bg blitz

[quiet ore]

But yeah 1->2 is a lot better than 2->4

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[late swallow]

I wasn’t a rogue main at that point

[vivid vessel]

You know the only time where 4 grapple would have been useful?

The exec boss of last tier

[wintry solar]

And atp just make it a pvp talent

[quiet ore]

When the raid lead assigns you to run a mech

[torpid fiber]

Quad grapple is gigabis in open world tbf

[vivid vessel]

Cause 2 grapple was just short

And you had to run for like 2 gcds at the end

[late swallow]

If we’re in the business of turning bugs into tiersets

They should implement the other coup bug too

[torpid fiber]

if u suggest er bug tierset I'm going to scream

[quiet ore]

Too bad non-flat terrain is the bane of a functional grapple

[quiet ore]

Tbf, trickster tier set is basically toned down coup bug

[wintry solar]

Yall

The other COUP bug

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[wintry solar]

Average #outlaw moment

Infinite cdg

[late swallow]

KiR on a 45 sec cd is peak

[wintry solar]

Stealthless outlaws had their moment

[pale pivot]

Hey guys, where i can find the tier list of class who buff outlaw?

[torpid fiber]

Computer science is up there

[covert kestrel]

S tier: the classes who buff physical damage
F tier: the classes who buff magic damage

[frail veldt]

Lol true if only they took the training weights off mid season

[covert kestrel]

i def know more about the mobs and casting timings than i ever did prior to this season

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[rotund token]

Im not sure how you top guys get 95% adr uptime in m+. I can be happy if I have 75%. Pugging fully so tank usually cba about my stealth but still, really dunno

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not necessarily about stealth cause you can get that much in raid too. just if you are always attacking something

[fossil lintel]

I said multiple times, KS stayed this long cause casual anime fans love it

[rotund token]

Yea, in raid I have like 85% tops

And im doing all by the book, atleast I think so. Not sure what to improve

[gaunt phoenix]

in general everything the rotation, rtb rules, finisher priority etc. all comes together to keep AR active

also not missing globals

[rotund token]

Yea, must be missing something, ill go thru all again. Thanks solo

[gaunt phoenix]

it's sometimes hard to know unless pointed out to you from logs

however if you are playing the kir build it is difficult to read rtb usage and builder priority mistakes from logs

[rotund token]

Yea, playing kir

Was with one pro rogue in group, he was playing alt atm, and he hard time figuiring out where I fail. I got from 65% to 75% from his tips but thats about it

[hybrid crown]

It's also hard to look at that number and judge when boss mechanics can fuck up your ADR just from getting pulled away at an unlucky time

Maybe hit the dummy for a while and see what your uptime is there

[rotund token]

Will do, thanks guys

[tribal swan]

warr/monk/druid/shaman

[red zinc]

tier list for anything nowadays

[covert kestrel]

tier list for #outlaw shit posters?

[red zinc]

funnily enough

there was a offtopic tier list a year back

i was b tier so idk what that says

terminally online lite

[vivid vessel]

bitch tier

for litttle bitch

[red zinc]

dont get me started zinc

[gaunt phoenix]

i like your post zac

good shit !

[covert kestrel]

zac post???

is it his toes

[late swallow]

link it up

i want to proofread it

[gaunt phoenix]

its not new

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-rogue-changes-feedback/2120193/57

[vivid vessel]

really?

uwu

[dense bolt]

no !

[gaunt phoenix]

i put it in the pin

[vivid vessel]

wtf..

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe something will happen from it

[late swallow]

bro used chatgpt

[vivid vessel]

Im in a pin !

[late swallow]

Thanks TomelvisGPT

[dense bolt]

zacgpt

[wintry solar]

ZacGPT

[dense bolt]

missed oppertunity somnius

noob

[vivid vessel]

I use chat gpt for everything nowadays

[wintry solar]

Jinx

[covert kestrel]

0/10 no 👍 🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[vivid vessel]

you guys dont ?

its op a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

next time ryu is in your chat you should ask him to post feedback

[vivid vessel]

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-sad-wojak-depressed-wojak-sad-sad-dhillon-wojak-gif-16800400607119690952

[vivid vessel]

ok tbf

this entire post

is like 90% me

10% gpt

the other one was much more gpt

basically i screenshot everytime i post something in here talking about these stuffs

and then at some point i feed it into gpt

ask him to resume my thoughts

while keeping the same yap language

it works pretty well

[covert kestrel]

does it help in the forums if i post "wow great feedback zac" or does that detract from it

how do i boost

[vivid vessel]

nah not good

just like i htink

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

i mena idk xd

[covert kestrel]

can i unlike the surfing emoji dude

can we get him banned

[wintry solar]

Mafic

That guy

Yeesh

[covert kestrel]

ye

[vivid vessel]

i think its good when people post stuffs that are usefull

but the guys that just spam the thread

idk

i wish these threads had 24 cd

[wintry solar]

Mafic is there to derail only

[vivid vessel]

or whatever

@mafic fuck off noob

[wintry solar]

I already did that to see if he was here the other day lol

[gaunt phoenix]

guys dont bug whispyr/eleem about sims just cause outlaw did it

[vivid vessel]

who did that

[gaunt phoenix]

they have to cook, outlaw is braindead

[covert kestrel]

no one with 22k posts on wowforums would lurk here

[late swallow]

Mi nah go lie, just a few small change could make di gameplay feel way smoother an’ less frustrating.

First off, Killing Spree could just auto-use di two Unseen Blade (UB) charges it give yuh — or even better, just hand yuh two Escalating Blades straight. Nobody want fi press Sinister Strike (SS) right after, when dem already full up on combo points. Now dat KS give full CP, it woulda nice fi just chain KS into Coup one time, clean and easy.

Fi di 2-piece, it woulda make more sense if it give two Escalating Blades when it proc, instead of resetting UB. Dat way, we nuh haffi wonder if we supposed to mash SS again or not. Plus, it would help cut down how much builder we forced to use.

Right now, Outlaw have way more builder dan Subtlety, so why UB cyaah spend with Pistol Shot too? Dat would help we use up UB procs passive-passive, just like how it seem intended. Right now, plenty time we end up wastin’ Fate’s Hand procs or dumpin’ CPs just ’cause SS deh pon cooldown or not optimal, when Pistol Shot woulda get di job done better.

And mi beg yuh — Escalating Blades need fi stack past four. Mek it go up to 8 or so, like how Aldrachi Havoc or Stormbringer work in other specs. We always losin’ stacks just 'cause we overcap. Dat nuh feel good. If it stack higher, we could use di second Coup from di 4-piece without havin’ to burn it at low CP just fi avoid wastin’ Unseen Blade stacks.

[covert kestrel]

can i bug them about other things

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[wintry solar]

They'd already have been banned, yeah. You right.

[gaunt phoenix]

[wintry solar]

Lmaooo

[covert kestrel]

toxic, demote whispyr to green

promote ryu to unbanned

[late swallow]

i think once mid term elections roll around, we can unban ryu and vrgl

[covert kestrel]

do you guys think he has a macro on his keyboard to hit those three emojis

[wintry solar]

Oh he's also schizo

[late swallow]

do we have an ID on who that is?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[wintry solar]

He thinks there's only 3 rogues that post on the forums and the rest are alts

[gaunt phoenix]

let people be weird idk

[wintry solar]

That's Mafic

1000%

I remember those messages

Tich

[covert kestrel]

emerald dream apparently

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah nvm

I think the Tich was the Mafic of DKs

Kelliste I believe it's spelled

Do the other classes have their anomalies?

[unreal drum]

im a little sad Zacs post no longer says 'guns are cool' then clarify hes french not merican

[gaunt phoenix]

LMAO

[vivid vessel]

[wintry solar]

Everyone should experience firing a cannon at least once

[strong halo]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Ellesus

Any advice on what I should get next from coins?

[gaunt phoenix]

what's ur offhand you swap with nightfall

[strong halo]

Heroic mugzee

[quaint mauve]

https://youtu.be/3cwf8vtlBCQ?si=RUw2HSSp1krYGkn2

anyone know why he isn’t attacking at the end

[vivid vessel]

hoyl

gamer

[quaint mauve]

and only waiting for

[gaunt phoenix]

who is that

[quaint mauve]

oh

it’s u

[vivid vessel]

its @gaunt phoenix ye

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel can u explain it to me :p

[vivid vessel]

last boss ?

im at work cant watch

[quaint mauve]

yeah

last boss

[dense bolt]

prob waiting for cds

[gaunt phoenix]

not much you can buy, maybe mythic wax whistle to replace remnant, or pug first boss for M geargrinder

[vivid vessel]

we wait for cds to phase

[wintry solar]

Zac employment arc?

[vivid vessel]

and to be safe we do 2 min phases

[quaint mauve]

ohhh

[sudden fulcrum]

employment debuff

[quaint mauve]

smart smart

okok

[vivid vessel]

to wait for the cat cds

[wintry solar]

Trueeee

[quaint mauve]

ty :p

[vivid vessel]

so we have to afk

for 1min30 straight

litteraly

goood boss design btw

[quaint mauve]

yeah i was so confused watching it

[vivid vessel]

love it

[dense bolt]

less yapping more working noob

[quaint mauve]

been saying this season start and people were clowning me for it

[wintry solar]

Bro gets a W-2 lolol

[late swallow]

really good design

[wintry solar]

We need to put anti-homeless spikes on ret so fotm would stay off it

[covert kestrel]

whats W in french

[vivid vessel]

i mean everytime they have bosses like these its the same cringe shit

[covert kestrel]

double eaux

[vivid vessel]

only one that isnt is ML first boss imo

cause damage amp is so often (and the boss isnt imune out of it)

or momma is also alright cause it require dps outside of it also

because btw

[late swallow]

doo-bluh-vay

[vivid vessel]

last boss rookery

is essentially imune

outside of damage amps

it would be a very differnet boss if there was no shield

[late swallow]

not on +2 kes

[vivid vessel]

it was just the boss health

and you still had the damaage amp on a timer or whatever

[wintry solar]

Just press your cooldowns bro

[quaint mauve]

i also hate brewery boss 1 for the same reason but not as much

not dmg amp

but forced like

idk the word

but sitting around doing nothing phases basically

[covert kestrel]

can we have arachnophobia mode but instead of spiders into crabs it changes all models into kul tiran males?

[wintry solar]

We should make outlaw a CD spec like every other spec in the game

Just for the hell of it

[prime agate]

hello combat rogues

[wintry solar]

This would fix absolutely nothing

And cause so many problems

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-talking-beard-im-an-outlaw-cabron-gif-17582888

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/what's-that-josey-wales-the-outlaw-josey-wales-could-you-please-identify-that-clint-eastwood-gif-2220388669342165015

[prime agate]

uh... c-combat

[wintry solar]

!ban perona

[quaint mauve]

get outta here dingus

b4 i give u a knuckle sandwich

[prime agate]

you're not even a combat rogue

you're sub

[wintry solar]

Listening to the World at War menu music to sleep to.

Mom says it's probably where my anxiety comes from but I think it helps me stay ready at a moments notice.

[wintry solar]

Idk what a bluey is doing here

Assa fine

But sub?

Don't even get me started

[quaint mauve]

blah blah blah i play the cool spec

[wintry solar]

Nuh uh

[quaint mauve]

atleast combat is cool

but assa > sub is a crazy take

those guys r dorks

don’t tell em i said that

[wintry solar]

@prime agate personally I wouldn't let that slide

But that's just me

[covert kestrel]

yeah sub is at least like outlaw but every 90s

assa is too sleepy to come back with an insult

[wintry solar]

Sub wishes they were us

[prime agate]

nah i let it slide

[quaint mauve]

i remember when i was playing wow for the first time

in wrath

[wintry solar]

Boomer

What color were the dinosaurs

[prime agate]

im a wrath baby as well

[quaint mauve]

i was so bad at combat that my guild made me go assass bc it had the easiest rotation 😭

[quaint mauve]

private server

[prime agate]

wasn't both like 2 buttons

[quaint mauve]

im only 19

[quaint mauve]

probably but something was wrong with my combat

[wintry solar]

I've played since 04

[quaint mauve]

assass was literally just mutilate envenom repeat

[keen belfry]

surely no ptr build today right? yes?

[wintry solar]

Naw

That's on Wednesday

[quaint mauve]

i started in like 2019??

i started playing my retail in 2020

[wintry solar]

Smh

New blood over here

[quaint mauve]

i was talking to a streamer abt getting wow tokens from selling bfa bags since i didnt own shadowlands

and my plan to get it for free through making bfa bags😭

and they ended up gifting me shadowlands

[wintry solar]

Dawwww

[quaint mauve]

and that’s how i started my retail journey

[wintry solar]

I started my retail journey because my dad didn't want me playing outside while he slept so he let me play wow instead

[hoary wave]

smart guy

[quaint mauve]

i played everquest with my dad when i was little

[sudden fulcrum]

everquest was so bad

[wintry solar]

Playing wow with a parent is an experience for sure

[quaint mauve]

i remember having fun

[quaint mauve]

i’m people who were playing with their parents when they were young and still play with them now

[sudden fulcrum]

if you died you lost XP and that made me afraid to ever adventure anywhere. there were "trains" where if someone had a lot of mobs chasing them, they'd run out of the zone and if you were nearby they would just destroy you for being there

[quaint mauve]

my friend is 20 and she still plays with her dad

[sudden fulcrum]

and if you died somewhere far away you had to go get your body or you'd lose your gear too

[wintry solar]

My dad works too often to play now.

We still talk about it everytime I go over to his house

[quaint mauve]

i wanna get my dad into it but he’s only playing the dumbest game ever…… (black desert)

[wintry solar]

I bought it when it was on sale for 99 cents

I played it once

Gender locked classes are so lame

[quaint mauve]

i played it for way too long

just bc i liked the pvp

[quaint mauve]

agree and disagree in a way, most classes have their other gender counterpart so it was kinda cool to me

[wintry solar]

I never looked too deeply into it

[quaint mauve]

i thought it was cool that it’s kinda the same class with like diff styles between gender

[wintry solar]

One thing I keep trying to get into is gw2

I like it a lot

But it doesn't stick like wow does

Also you can buy multiple expansions and idk how that works

[quaint mauve]

i feel like most mmos don’t have the replay ability of content that wow has

[hybrid crown]

I wish wow had a fraction of the parkour stuff gw2 has

[wintry solar]

WoW does a lot right

[gaunt phoenix]

parkour?

😨

[hybrid crown]

This is such a little thing but parkour is cool lol

Each zone has its own jump puzzle including cities

[wintry solar]

You mean the stuff like running around oribos?

Oh

[hybrid crown]

That shit is so fun

[wintry solar]

Oribos is the best city to mindlessly run around in while waiting

Ever

In wow history

The jumping

Peak

[sudden fulcrum]

well yeah it is basically a race track

[hybrid crown]

It's because of the oribos lap counter wa

[wintry solar]

That's a thing?

[hybrid crown]

Yes

[wintry solar]

That's crazy

[hybrid crown]

I bet it doesn't exist any more but lemme check

https://wago.io/fcQXIX-Au

lol

[wintry solar]

Amazing

There's nowhere to do that in dornagol

[hybrid crown]

oh if you filter by all there are like 10 oribos lap counter WA's lol

[wintry solar]

That's amazing

So it solidified what I said

[wintry solar]

It's really hard to beat a circle with geometric patterns

[keen belfry]

outlaw so funny

12 mil to first pull floodgate, lust, pot etc

14.8 to 2nd pull, no lust no pot

[quaint mauve]

roll ur dice better

or wtv yall do

[old gull]

seen on the internet: "no babe your resil 12s are perfect, the big keys hurt"

[mighty pivot]

more like: outlaw (and sub) +21

[covert kestrel]

[mighty pivot]

imagine if fatebound was that you flip heads and you are outlaw and with tails you are subtlety realz you can have that idea for free

[strong halo]

why are people still using charged bolt on belt? it sims like 1% lower in dungeon slice for me

[sudden fulcrum]

they might not know it's nerfed/buggy

but that's why you don't blindly copy raider.io or whatever

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel you might not know

[strong halo]

fair but i saw like 5 of the top, thought maybe i missed something on sims

[lime lake]

pretty sure those websites are just displaying the wrong thing

and people arent actually running charged bolts

[sudden fulcrum]

it still doesn't matter what other people are doing because they aren't wearing the same gear as you and the goal of sims is to determine what is best for you

[lime lake]

like im pretty sure its just defaulting to charged bolts because its the first option on the belt

not because people are using it

[magic shuttle]

raider. io and wclogs show bolts even when a different effect is used

you can check what actual option they pick if you look at the buffs in logs

[granite quarry]

quick question, saw somewhere that we take improved wound poison for cinderbrew. why is that and what would we drop for it?

[sudden fulcrum]

the yes men at the end are affected by it

you wouldn't use it for the whole dungeon

[granite quarry]

aaahhhh ok, so that heal wehen they die gets affected

[sudden fulcrum]

right

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sudden fulcrum]

details breakdowns are not a really good way to analyze what you're doing wrong

logs are though

[vivid vessel]

What else can I play

Wait I use the Crit thing tho

Not charged bolt

[strong halo]

yeah someone told me raider io / warcraft log shows wrong one

crit thing / charged crystal sims the same for me

[vivid vessel]

Ye dont play charged crystal

[covert kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FswU44pEJVA

wild @keen belfry mention. your brew said "im actually gapping the outlaw" on the first pull

[mighty pivot]

if you are checking by mousing over the belt on a log, I don't think it will show the correct one. Only by checking the buffs/dmg breakdown you can confirm what they use

[gaunt phoenix]

when you use vanish, you enter a stealth window for 6 seconds, during this time BtE has no cooldown

so, your BtE damage is influenced by how often you use Vanish, and the average cooldown on vanish is influenced by everything outlaw does

it is kind of outlaw's whole thing right now where you are entering vanish windows to keep adrenaline rush active and deal a lot of damage through BtE

[keen belfry]

i may have played that first pull as worse as you possibly could

check kujo dmg tho

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry you got cooked noob

[keen belfry]

15mil 2nd pull of FG zac

[vivid vessel]

Cooked

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-so-cooked-gif-11199807318849761981

[vivid vessel]

Die the brew made a video about that pull awang?

No?

[keen belfry]

youre becoming known amongst random phys comp gamers in NA zac

hahah

[vivid vessel]

Fake then

[vivid vessel]

Nice

Good way or bad way

[keen belfry]

good way

[vivid vessel]

Huge gaming

[keen belfry]

youre being compared to awangawangaw

[vivid vessel]

Ah I seee

Bad way

[keen belfry]

so a huge dub

huge W

[vivid vessel]

Huge L

[gaunt phoenix]

huge wang

[vivid vessel]

Huge wank

[keen belfry]

tomelvisofna

[covert kestrel]

one day my wang will be a wang similar to awangs wang

#BRINGBACKTOMPELVIS

[keen belfry]

i stil dont understand EU warriors

i think EU warriors are bigger gap than EU rogues

compared to NA

[gaunt phoenix]

[sudden fulcrum]

huge

[midnight granite]

Watched awang gap some other rogue in an economics key the other day

I didn't know awang was built like that

[sudden fulcrum]

what is an economics key

[midnight granite]

This guy doesn't know

[sudden fulcrum]

oh maybe you mean the new dungeon, Eco Dome

[midnight granite]

About economics

[sudden fulcrum]

also yes i do not

[strong halo]

why? bugged?

[midnight granite]

Awang will tell you

[keen belfry]

sup cuh

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-5569574555773840146

[covert kestrel]

its a tank man

[strong halo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NAXmgyHBT9WJ76YP?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=162 any feedback on why i suck

[midnight granite]

Hiiii

Yeetodepleto staying true to his name with the missed blind.

[keen belfry]

holy moly u really were paying attention

[midnight granite]

I mean. I watched from Xav to wipe lol

[gaunt phoenix]

yo are pressing sinister strike in stealth

you are also using pistol shots in stealth

generally ambush has priority when it is available

ambush > opportunity if you cant ambush > ss

[strong halo]

Gotcha

And if I SSx3

I can definitely ambush

[quaint mauve]

what race should my new rogue be

undead or human

[sudden fulcrum]

undead for sure

[covert kestrel]

goblin

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-horde-battle-for-azeroth-world-of-warcraft-gif-12331184

[quaint mauve]

get yo lame ahh away from me

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-warcraft-scarlet-crusade-punishment-holy-light-gif-25940806

[keen belfry]

remember when our belt did stuff that was good

[covert kestrel]

goblin bis stealth animation

[keen belfry]

now it just gives me vers that punishes me for pressing my buttons at high pace

[covert kestrel]

none of this cracker ass crouch down and walk sideways nonsense

[quaint mauve]

im sorry for asking im going human

my rogue rn is undead

;p

[late swallow]

goblins really do have the best stealth animation

[sudden fulcrum]

gross

imagine choosing human in a fantasy mmo game

the most boring of all possibilities

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think you are using rtb correctly

This build rolls a lot, you are rolling any time you 3 or fewer buffs active

like on pull you rolled 1 ruthless precision, you should have rolled again asap, even in vanish windows

[keen belfry]

rogues be like dudes with their pants falling down, bad belt 😂 😂

😂

😂

right yall?

[covert kestrel]

no we just wear pants that fit

no belt needed

[late swallow]

the belt is around my neck and I'm in the closet wearing my mom's fishnets

haha mistype

[sudden fulcrum]

you can sim for the best option for your character, but wowhead also has recommendations if you want a rough idea

[keen belfry]

new event be like me at dinner when i pay more than i think i should pay for that polenta, overcharged 😂

😂

[gaunt phoenix]

from the raid would prefer mythic geargrinder and mythic magnet

if not those then can get mythic wax whistle and/or mythic pacemaker from keys

mythic house of cards is also fine on outlaw if you multispec

[strong halo]

ty for feedback appreciate it

[sudden fulcrum]

yes, just use dungeon slice for cleave

[quaint mauve]

bc humans r cool dude

[keen belfry]

man im cooking today

[sudden fulcrum]

the only reason i'd even consider human is because i like their animations and gear looks good on them

[quaint mauve]

also i dont like how my mog sits on my undead rn

bought my t3 just for it to look goofy

only reason im making another rogue

LOL

[quaint mauve]

yea exactly

[mighty pivot]

fyi you are also using SS when Opportunity is up. You used 24/79 SS when you had Opportunity stacks

[quaint mauve]

i dont wanna level her

...

[proven ocean]

ATTENTION EVERYBODY

Tompelvis will be causing some chaos in the PTR soon

Tompelvis is back

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw message

LFG

I CALLED IT

TOMPELVISSSSS

[proven ocean]

wtf

[proven ocean]

NA rogues suck balls

no offense to mortiz, rest full offense

[keen belfry]

even awang?

😦

[proven ocean]

i never saw u play

i only remember jpc doing 30% more dps

[late swallow]

:alert: :alert: :alert:

[proven ocean]

it was in everbloom iirc

NA rogues need jpc back to get back on track otherwise ur all washed up fr fr no cap cuh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[iron forge]

Hello, as I was reading wowhead guide, I found a difference between stats recommendation. On the stat prio page, it says for HO we want 8-10% haste but on the overall bist list it says "Follow the stat priority of Haste you reach important breakpoints. This is 17% for Hidden Opportunity"

I'm staying at around 12% rn, dk if I should try to reach 17 or just sim

[keen belfry]

dont tell jpc i have this screenshot

[covert kestrel]

just sim always

you have to hit 8-10, then just following sims

[quaint mauve]

im NAs last hope

[iron forge]

Do we sim with dungeon slice ?

[proven ocean]

thats fake as hell

ah

yalnu

thats a 4 min fight

pure rng

[late swallow]

yalnu on Tyrannical week

[keen belfry]

new awang is here Zeross

[iron forge]

Ok i'll do that, thanks !

[random stirrup]

4min fight

more like a 7 minute experience

[proven ocean]

sure

but

[keen belfry]

anything prior to now awang was bad awang

[proven ocean]

do u think ur as good as jpc

because if u do

that means ur with the big boys on rogue

[quaint mauve]

id say a bit better

[proven ocean]

and i don't mind seeing your skills in PTR because im interested

[keen belfry]

i think i am a big boy rogue now

[proven ocean]

on seeing if u can do more dps than me

if ur that confident, we can play today

we'll see about that

[quaint mauve]

me and awang need to be nerfed

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/tremendo-gif-6176607702265710905

[late swallow]

awang's like "haha sorry I'm busy today she goes to another school"

[proven ocean]

because i can only recall one rogue on NA that can play close or at the same level as the EU rogues and its jpc

i never saw any other good rogue

EU is filled with rogues, NA filled with mages

[keen belfry]

yeah why do we have good mage players

[late swallow]

probably because of the tariffs

[proven ocean]

we dont have good mages in EU, except few but they aren't as good as the NA mages

[keen belfry]

hopeful and firedup would gap eu mages right?

[quaint mauve]

europeans r amphetamine addicts

no offense

[proven ocean]

firedup would gap any mage really

idk how good hopeful is

i dont play mage

i heard random things so idk

[keen belfry]

hopeful is really good at arcane

[random stirrup]

#gingipumper is the best mage in the world

[keen belfry]

hopeful is just really good tbh

[sudden fulcrum]

awang is it true that you're going to take Zeross to Gapplebees

[quaint mauve]

firedup did the coolest shit ive ever seen in rwf

[vivid vessel]

Guysssßsss

[proven ocean]

Guysssßsss

[vivid vessel]

I'm hungry what do I eat

[proven ocean]

@proven ocean

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

Other than @red zinc ass

[random stirrup]

new german zac?

[proven ocean]

zac no joke this time

[sudden fulcrum]

birria tacos

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

better call saul season 3 is one of the best things ive watched all my life, i didnt finish it yet

[keen belfry]

zeross if i have a group of players reporting me for dps bug abusing does that count as a big boy criteria

[vivid vessel]

I don't joke

[proven ocean]

i strongly recommend

u watch it zac

its so good

like

u feel like ur watching what u want to watch

its so great

[vivid vessel]

I watched moblland

[proven ocean]

was it good

[vivid vessel]

Like actual binge watch

[keen belfry]

once you finish it you must lmk, its quite literally the best tv show ever

[proven ocean]

i watch later

[vivid vessel]

Was very good

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-saul-goodman-saul-goodman3d-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-gif-25801565

[vivid vessel]

I speedran that shit ross

[proven ocean]

i want to finish better call saul then watch breaking bad (2nd time) for fun

[vivid vessel]

It was good

[proven ocean]

rly

nice nice

ye i knew it

[vivid vessel]

Ok well

[proven ocean]

actor was cool

[vivid vessel]

You are never finishing breaking bad

Good luck cuh

[proven ocean]

i did

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/lalo-salamanca-smile-car-windows-down-gif-16958759

[proven ocean]

wdym

i watched it years ago

[late swallow]

lalo the goat

[vivid vessel]

Shit is 700 episodes my guy

[proven ocean]

wdym its rly good im confused

its not 700

[vivid vessel]

It's a lot

It's long

[proven ocean]

?

its only 5 seasons bro

10-12 episodes per season or someshit

thats normal no?

ur more of a tv watcher than me too u should know that

[covert kestrel]

id let lalo break me so bad

[quaint mauve]

tv shows r too boring

not enough dopamine

[sudden fulcrum]

maybe you just aren't watching good ones

[stuck sparrow]

Oce has better rogues than NA

I feel

[sudden fulcrum]

Australians are known to be good with knives

[stuck sparrow]

Well -1 now that nibren quit

[proven ocean]

what

oce rogues are all cooked i never heard of a single good one

besides isn't nibren a raider

[stuck sparrow]

I dont think any play outlaw

[proven ocean]

because all raiders suck ngl

they only know how to dps a raid boss

whats the point

everyone can do that

[stuck sparrow]

They won first mdi pretty sure

or one of the legion ones

[proven ocean]

who

[stuck sparrow]

only one they played

honestly's team

[proven ocean]

is it the nibren guy

or

[stuck sparrow]

He played it for them yes

[proven ocean]

ah so he isn't just a random raider

[stuck sparrow]

I think he doesnt care enough to push honestly.

Eu does have more though

Legion was when seli and sebek were the #1 team as double rogue.

For some.

[covert kestrel]

does europe or america have more NEETs on average

[stuck sparrow]

Europe lets you take more time off

+unemployment benefits

[buoyant current]

Chat where HO M+ build

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw-faq

[buoyant current]

massive

[stuck sparrow]

I do think NA plays fotm more.

[sudden fulcrum]

i heard EU players sit down to pee

[late swallow]

euros know how to neetmaxx way better than US

[gentle sky]

have this ben bug for long ?

[gaunt phoenix]

tooltip bug, the duration does change

[gentle sky]

ok ty

[wintry verge]

hey, back in WOW after a long break, how's the new killing spree feel ?

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emote-elpermassacre-gun-shoot-gif-437842987678609848

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-potg-overwatch-potg-reaper-reaper-potg-gif-1234498746757074059

[fresh orchid]

Was there ever community criticism to give back shadowstep or not

[median lance]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-fortune-miss-fortune-lol-league-of-legends-gif-15071503

New killing spree

[wintry verge]

👀

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-gun-fight-gun-shoot-shooting-gif-5254479

[median lance]

The 1 button rotation having killing spree in there is by far the funniest shit

[violet ferry]

Got Capo from the Timewalking weekly - sadge it's only Heroic but still nice

[sudden fulcrum]

huge

[keen belfry]

i watch this daily for my affirmations

[stuck sparrow]

Cutting it a tad close.

[red zinc]

[craggy barn]

i did that recently on a gally pull

huge dopamine

[fallow hinge]

ur a gally pull

[craggy barn]

thanks

[fallow hinge]

<3

[craggy barn]

hunter looking exciting next patch?

[fallow hinge]

mhm

[craggy barn]

mhm

where the fuck is my ks badge

😠

[fallow hinge]

what's less exciting

is

the ilvl jump

[craggy barn]

real

[fallow hinge]

684 turning into 2/8 veteran track like wtf

[craggy barn]

boss health already to the point that theyre doing multiple boss health pools LOL

[fallow hinge]

or being equal to, rather

[covert kestrel]

i cant wait for next ilvl and stat squish. 6k dps bis im pumped

[fallow hinge]

Garrosh called, he wants his gimmick back

[craggy barn]

we at garrosh style boss life now

[fallow hinge]

tbh, that's not necessarily bad

[craggy barn]

its not, its just an indicator

[fallow hinge]

it does open up opportunities for threshold buffs to be more useful through the fight

like hunter's mark or twist of fate

[craggy barn]

and dev mastery

[fallow hinge]

ye

[craggy barn]

or is thath what its valled

[fallow hinge]

dragonkiller

[vale blaze]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[craggy barn]

they should change survival mastery to Big Game Hunter, where u do more damage the bigger the target

[vale blaze]

does the WA that tells you to reroll RTB still work?

[fallow hinge]

rip stormwind boss

[lime lake]

dev mastery is giantkiller so stack 20 devs

and dimensius is fucked

[fallow hinge]

Know what I'm waiting for?

[craggy barn]

it should but its not gonna be listed anywhere u can find in this discord unless someone has it ready to link

[fallow hinge]

Dimensius to still have a melee restriction of like... 3 melee

[craggy barn]

[fallow hinge]

boss the size of a city "no more than 3 smacky bois"

[craggy barn]

0 melee bc u cant get close enough to smack it

u know what im gonna be sad about

not knowing where KS would put u

on dimensius

[fallow hinge]

looking at the arena for that fight, I'm wondering if it'll be a drive fight

[craggy barn]

theres dragon riding

platform hopping shenanigans

[next wedge]

they gave us drive for this patch and we'll never see it again

[fallow hinge]

good

bad system

[craggy barn]

experimental

it will come back in 3 expacs

[fallow hinge]

unlike skyriding where you have the literal sky as your domain, there are barely any spots in the whole game where drive won't feel clunky

[sudden fulcrum]

[fallow hinge]

it's all too small scale

even undermine, the zone DESIGNED for drive

is way too small for the boosts to actually have any real value

[craggy barn]

yea wow's terrain isnt really built for stuff like this

unlike gw2 with the roly poly

[fallow hinge]

ye

[craggy barn]

and other ground mounts

[fallow hinge]

gw2 is way more expansive

but the waypoints allow it to be

[craggy barn]

and the terrain was mostly made with all the mount shenanigans in mind

[fallow hinge]

ye

well

not the original zones

those predated mounts considerably