outlaw

[proven ocean]

cringe af

[glass mortar]

bf is broken in legacy content

if the initial attack kills its target it wont blade flurry

or something of that nature

been like that since the dead target bugfix iirc

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

[glass mortar]

thats hot

please at least spoiler ur nsfw bozo

🥵

[late swallow]

Grats king

Insane work

Ross boutta be like “vdh comp had more st tho”

[covert kestrel]

[proven ocean]

boosted

zac did u watch chernobyl

[vivid vessel]

i watched chernobyl 3 times

its one of my fav shows

[proven ocean]

3 times

im thinking of watching it again on the thing i showed u

true 4k

[late swallow]

I’ve never seen it ngl

Is it better than she hulk?

[verbal fjord]

LETS GO CHAMP

[random stirrup]

chernobyl is goated

[covert kestrel]

Oh shit blue name rlydd

[covert kestrel]

It's not great it's not terrible

[random stirrup]

[late swallow]

This was my impression of it from the first episode

[covert kestrel]

You better have finished it

[quaint grail]

any news for bis trinkets on new patch?

[covert kestrel]

Takes a dookie on severance

[covert kestrel]

Prob something with agility and damage

[quaint grail]

fair

[cedar kernel]

[daring oxide]

egg

[cedar kernel]

i am sry i slept over time

[daring oxide]

jesus christ beast

[cedar kernel]

cant catch up the ptr with zac

[late swallow]

Highly doubt it

[daring oxide]

@proven ocean

[late swallow]

Severance is pure kino

[proven ocean]

?

[glass mortar]

Severance def the best show I've seen in years but I think it probably misses for a decent chunk of people since it's more mystery then alot of current shows

I was so prepared for the second season to disappoint me because the first season was so good

It did not tho

[daring oxide]

might pick up severance again

[zenith cloud]

[daring oxide]

sorry i accidentally pinged u

[drowsy thicket]

hi charged bolt is better or charged crystal for better dps ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Use critical chain

[modern tapir]

Charged bolt BAD

[gaunt phoenix]

Charged bolt isnt good, charged crystal seems to stop working, so stat procs it is

[cedar kernel]

hi miz

[drowsy thicket]

ah ok ty ❤️

[zenith cloud]

[thorny reef]

does anyone have a talent build for fatebound on ptr?

[junior sierra]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same kir fatebound just use loaded dice

[thorny reef]

ah cool thanks

sucks we dont use ks

[tender wedge]

well its propped up by the trickster tree, not very good on its own

[gaunt phoenix]

and open with ghostly strike from stealth

not AR

[wintry solar]

Gs into ar?

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[knotty oriole]

Hi guys, recently tried out outlaw and looking to improve. I was a rogue back in s1 and I'm trying it again with outlaw in my mind. Tried a +6 rookery and my damage is abyssmal. Any constructive help would be appreciated. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JPHm4Tr8a7h2kDKB?fight=1&type=summary

[wintry solar]

Cool

[gaunt phoenix]

the build you are playing is not supposed to press ambush

[knotty oriole]

even while in vanish?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

Cause it cant proc opportunity

ur builder priority is essentially this

[knotty oriole]

Got it

[gaunt phoenix]

can read more in the faq https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276307559061524652/1351037793220038719

You had 12 vanish casts in the entire key

[tidal hawk]

u also have very low AR uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

vanish is like our whole thing. you are dipping into stealth windows to keep adrenaline rush active get the most out of between the eyes damage

[knotty oriole]

forgot to note that I also play at around 170-180ms

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[dark fractal]

180 ms outlaw

Can be hard

[proven ocean]

no auto marker in pugs

[dark fractal]

Depend if you're ping is stable

[proven ocean]

idk what that'll do

[knotty oriole]

yeah, its ;

[torpid fiber]

I know flushies plays at like 180ms but also they're insane

[knotty oriole]

It's hard but I try my best to press AR too, maybe i'm just getting old..

i use exitlag too so without it its 250ms haha

[gaunt phoenix]

Just track vanish cooldown

[torpid fiber]

outlaw is hard don't feel bad about being bad at it btw

[gaunt phoenix]

after your opening stealth window, you build into killing spree, then you build into vanish

you are always trying to use vanish into BtE while adrenaline rush is active, to keep it active

[knotty oriole]

so basically vanish> all to keep uptime on AR?

[gaunt phoenix]

because of our talents adrenaline rush does not tick down during stealth/subterfuge

[tidal hawk]

vanish > all except for killing spree / coup, unless AR is about to drop then, then vanish > all

[torpid fiber]

Also only vanish at finisher combo points

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah killing spree has higher prio than vanish unless you absolutely HAVE to vanish bc you are about to lose AR

[torpid fiber]

The way I think about it is that vanish is basically a finisher modifier that starts a subterfuge window

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw without AR does negative damage

[knotty oriole]

Imma practice this on dummies

[torpid fiber]

Imo the biggest thing for understanding outlaw is mostly just playing it more, the rotation makes a ton of sense once you understand the general flow of it because it's mostly just piecemeal slotting different parts together

[cedar kernel]

His name is

Possible shaman

[tidal hawk]

ye once u get into the flow it isn't really complex, it's just that mistakes are punished very harshly. if you dont vanish enough you won't have AR uptime, if you don't have AR uptime you won't have energy, if you dont have energy you won't get enough combo points to use enough finishers to have enough vanish to have AR uptime. etc.

[junior coral]

is there a chart where it shows the apm of specs in current season by chance?

[torpid fiber]

yeah, outlaw is a bit scary at first and it feels bad to play if you're playing it poorly but once it clicks it's basically just a flowchart going "do I build or finish this gcd -> which builder/finisher"

[knotty oriole]

got it thank you so much!

[torpid fiber]

(or rtb. Rtb is like the meme of "when you say the girls and the gays can you also include me, the girls the gays and clive")

[late swallow]

Ending scene of season two

With the windmill song

The way Helly looks at Mark

God I wish that was me

[fathom whale]

this is going to be a real silly question because i feel like ive been playing this wrong for months now, am i hiting bte when i get its cd/cp reset or am i hitting dispatch? ive confused myself and my adhd has kicked in

[fathom bramble]

you are pressing BTE

as long as you are still in stealth from subterfuge it is your only finisher

[fathom whale]

i am doing it right

ive gaslit myself into thinking i was wrong

[tender wedge]

sometimes people look at log timelines and see the dispatch auto-cast from BTE and think they're meant to manually press it

[tidal hawk]

smash bte like it owes u money baby

[wintry solar]

Now that's some gameplay

Some of the gameplay of all time

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2497544120?t=1h0m49s @proven ocean

watch till 2 min in fight

bro just jumps from 5 mil to 8 mil dps

2 min into the fight

shits crazy

[lime lake]

boomkin is wild atm

2m and suddenly their trees start fucking you

[tender wedge]

the good thing about being clearly undertuned on PTR is that you're probably gonna see some buffs

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/live/pouppYtyQec?si=twXUaJK3M7ZrzNwE&t=24501

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

look at boss hp

boomie just one shot the boss from 40%

[lime lake]

[tender wedge]

what the actual

[vivid vessel]

its a boss btw

the skull marker

[tender wedge]

is that tier hijinks?

[vivid vessel]

bro i have no idea

[fathom whale]

100% what i was doing, ive never payed attention to timelines hahahaha

[fathom bramble]

boomies will probably still somehow find a way to claim they are underpowered

[vivid vessel]

idk its just so funny

[lime lake]

im pretty sure its bugged in some way

[tender wedge]

supercut of out of context low damage incoming surely

[vivid vessel]

like i will take a big dude target in a pack

[vivid vessel]

and suddently

[lime lake]

the grey is just trees btw

[vivid vessel]

big dude is one shotted

https://www.youtube.com/live/pouppYtyQec?si=mev_s4XZZ2u5deql&t=23805

look

destroyer is luike

big hpo mob

5 times the hp of everything prolly

[fathom whale]

new keeper of the grove bs isnt it

[vivid vessel]

he just disapear

[tender wedge]

did that mob just take 120m dps for like 2 seconds there

[vivid vessel]

ye

he ded

[tender wedge]

there's no way that's for real

[vivid vessel]

boomie sent 2 spell

[tender wedge]

like. intended

[vivid vessel]

mob ded

[edgy phoenix]

how are trinkets so far on ptr zac

[vivid vessel]

for outlaw

geniuly useless idk

[edgy phoenix]

ye

meh

[vivid vessel]

last boss3min in

what do you guys think happens

[tender wedge]

80m dps from the boomie for the next 10s

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/live/pouppYtyQec?si=ycWe33m2b3AKjibi&t=25027

ding ding ding

shits is so funny man

i was so happy i wasnt last on boss

and then

bro just shit out stars from his ass

eta gg

[tender wedge]

there's more chance of KS being buffed than boomies not getting nerfed

[edgy phoenix]

lore accurate cosmic power

even if boomies go doggo they all swap to meta

99% of them fotms anyway

[wintry solar]

1 of 4 specs is always meta anyway so they won't have to go far

[lime lake]

druid insane class to main

if you dont care about transmog

[edgy phoenix]

all current boomies were sp in df

i wonder hows their discord while class isnt mega meta

[tender wedge]

I’m watching that in slowmo, does he really do like 300m damage in like 4 seconds? I was trying to exaggerate as a joke but I think that joke was conservative

[vivid vessel]

Ye haha

Shits crazy

I mean watch the other one I sent from the raid

It's even more impressive

[edgy phoenix]

Is that some bug or insane tuning

[vivid vessel]

No idea xd

[sudden fulcrum]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

It reminds me of SL Boomie tho

[edgy phoenix]

wont be surprised if it makes to live

[tender wedge]

I don’t want to, makes me remember outlaw glory days when I had my own pirate companion

[vivid vessel]

Where they would play venthyr

Ramp up for like 30 s

Then 2 starsurges

[lime lake]

im 99% sure its a bug with their tier set

[vivid vessel]

Bam bam

[tender wedge]

(If you don’t die)

[lime lake]

this is doing way more than it should

[covert kestrel]

Is brew pump city

[edgy phoenix]

brew first time meta since the class release????

fuck no

[fathom bramble]

funnel that also cleaves

okay

bugged or not that has to be good in keys in the end

[lime lake]

yeah for sure

although elune tier set seems good too

so idk

[edgy phoenix]

explain in rogue terms

[lime lake]

there are no rogue terms

good tier set

lol

[edgy phoenix]

[wintry solar]

Did outlaw have CB in SL?

[torpid fiber]

no

idts at least

[wintry solar]

I mean as a talent

[fathom bramble]

no

[wintry solar]

In general

Okay ty

[fathom bramble]

cold bloood was added back as a talent to fill space for the new talent system

and has been bad the entire time

[wintry solar]

I don't think it's ever been good

[fathom bramble]

even when we took it you just macroed it into finishers

[wintry solar]

For combat/outlaw

[fathom bramble]

and it was like 0.4% gain

season 1 DF we took it

iirc

[edgy phoenix]

ye pre crackshot

[proven ocean]

pure st

[tender wedge]

Sub takes it I guess

[edgy phoenix]

xdddd

[tender wedge]

I think that 5% added damage is being calculated incorrectly

[lime lake]

just a tad bit

[covert kestrel]

Good thing boomies are just single target specialists so we have nothing to worry about

[lime lake]

true

good thinking

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel mage above boomkin

whats going on

is mage broken too

lmao

[sudden fulcrum]

when is mage not broken

[proven ocean]

Look at their dps gap in top left

idk those 2 classes together are illegal

cant do any dps as sin

[wintry solar]

When he said that, I put my phone down and went for a walk lol

Had to clear my mind

[mighty pivot]

the guy did 300 mil in 7 seconds or 42 mil ST dps

[proven ocean]

same with our big guy

he got 1 shot from full hp

but not that big guy it was another pull

[vivid vessel]

Ye bro

Boomie so funny

[proven ocean]

its crazyh

[vivid vessel]

Xdd

[proven ocean]

lmao

bro

look at my 5m overall

[vivid vessel]

Xdd

[proven ocean]

i never expected to do 5m

i held my 2 mins for like

4 mins

im like OK OK I HAVE GOOD SETUP

[vivid vessel]

Rogue stuck in s2

[proven ocean]

TIME TO DEATHMARK

then

i see the mob dead

im like

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

???????????????

what

zac

[vivid vessel]

Btw ross

[proven ocean]

dont u find it crazy that mage does more dmg

[vivid vessel]

We did rookery

[mighty pivot]

deathmark should just summon a moonkin instead

[vivid vessel]

21

[proven ocean]

ye nice

[vivid vessel]

3 phase last boss

But

[proven ocean]

rook 21 is way easier than 20 tbh zac

idk why

[vivid vessel]

2 min between each

[proven ocean]

but

20 felt like the wall

rest was easy

[vivid vessel]

Well once you learned the key it's the same I guess

[proven ocean]

i think because the optimizations on 20 was enough for a 21

[vivid vessel]

But ye

[knotty needle]

alright i've seen enough nerf outlaw rogue

[proven ocean]

ya

zac how's ur sectechs btw

4?

[vivid vessel]

We did 2 min phasing for last boss was funny

[proven ocean]

3*

inside flag?

or

[vivid vessel]

Naah

I'm washed up

I play it once a week bro

[proven ocean]

ah

[vivid vessel]

Once every 3 weeks even

I'm cooked a bit

Whatever

[proven ocean]

tbh new sub is gonna change too so

[vivid vessel]

We don't need to

[proven ocean]

double coup is quite fun for sub in cds

but out of cds it sucks

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[tender wedge]

That’s thematic at least

[proven ocean]

no itsa not that

i mean

cuz double coup

u need energy to 2nd coup

its annoying

i hate that i need energy on sub even when its already oom 24/7

[tender wedge]

Sub now a pooling spec 😎

[vivid vessel]

I mean they can just low coup like us

I don't think it's that bad

[proven ocean]

ye but

if u arent aware

or like

sleeping

u can not be able to send the 2nd coup

even at 1 cp

[junior coral]

SO 1CP COUP IS WORTH?

[proven ocean]

well doesnt matter rly

[junior coral]

just over a SS huh

[vivid vessel]

If you are a grandpa

[fathom bramble]

I feel like 4pc would work better has just "Coup counts as consuming x additional combo points"

or they need to adjust other parts of trickster

[vivid vessel]

Mys

Maybe

[fathom bramble]

to accomodate double coup

[junior coral]

you have coup and 1cp, with BF up, you BF for full coup or just send coup then BF

[proven ocean]

u can ss if u need the extra cdr in cds, but its very rare and almost impossible that u need to build for coup i think

[vivid vessel]

I would rather they change the other part of trickster tho

Like not being able to go above 4 es

[fathom bramble]

or like Coup causes your next Dispatch to count as consuming x additional combo points

[vivid vessel]

2 p should just give you 2 instead of resting ub

[fathom bramble]

so it's functionally double coup without any of the weirdness

[proven ocean]

zac

tb h

i hate outlaw's design rn alot

[vivid vessel]

And ks should give eb

[proven ocean]

i want a redesign of outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Es

[proven ocean]

cuz idk

[vivid vessel]

Ok well

[proven ocean]

i dislike it

[vivid vessel]

Good for you

[proven ocean]

u feel me or

like

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

the rtb shit

[vivid vessel]

No I don't

[proven ocean]

?

so u like outlaw the way it plays now

[vivid vessel]

Yes?

[proven ocean]

10 seconds killingspree and 3 min long

is amazing

yes yes

[vivid vessel]

I mean I hate ks

Lol

And I don't like how trickster changes on ptr

[proven ocean]

yes and theres nothing else that fucks up outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Idk if that warrant a whole spec redesign tho lol

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

Just fix trickster and ks

[proven ocean]

i love retail outlaw

but

ptr is cringe

feels bad

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

fatebound is cool tho

feels dry but i dont mind it

idk why rogue doesnt have similar hero talents to mage

it'd make alot of ppl love rogue and outlaw

everything on mage interacts nicely and well

llllllllllllllll

oops

zac btw u know what they did to fire mage

hyperthermia (spam pyroblasts for free) is now like

14 seconds long

imagine if crackshot is 10 seconds now

[wintry solar]

Nah screw that

Imagine if it were 11 seconds

[fathom bramble]

When subterfuge ends deal 5% of the total damage dealt during it to all nearby enemies

[tender wedge]

original and based

[wintry solar]

20%

[tender wedge]

well yeah it has to be higher to compensate for it being bugged and doing less damage than intended

[wintry solar]

Finally someone with foresight in this channel

[proven ocean]

idk

@lost slate @hollow temple if u both dueled who would win?!?

pvp gamers of ravenholdt?!?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[sudden flicker]

why are all these top outlaws taking so much mastery tf?

[proven ocean]

why are all these top outlaws taking so much mastery tf?

what mastery

[edgy phoenix]

masterbating

[sudden flicker]

what mastery

[fathom bramble]

I just can't over the fact that they randomly dropped burst funnel that cleaves on boomie

[wintry solar]

Mastery baiting

[sudden flicker]

guys be nice i have autism

[edgy phoenix]

dont we all

[proven ocean]

guys be nice im stupid as fuck

[wintry solar]

Fuck you

[proven ocean]

fuck you too

how about that

just to return the compliment flower guy

[sudden flicker]

fuck me? 🥺

[wintry solar]

👉 👈 🥺

[proven ocean]

fuck you too why not

👉 👈 🥺

[sudden flicker]

nut

[edgy phoenix]

nicest ross message

[proven ocean]

💀

[proven ocean]

about nut, u guys saw the sabastian video

in his online zoom class

[sudden flicker]

u watchin gay porn or what

[proven ocean]

no wtf

[edgy phoenix]

common knowledge

[proven ocean]

well if u dont know the reel

then u dont

[edgy phoenix]

sebastion nut classroom video

[proven ocean]

[wintry solar]

When you think about it, all porn is gay

[gaunt phoenix]

[sudden flicker]

what about a lady stroking that bean

[edgy phoenix]

ultra gay

[proven ocean]

ur thinking that means u already watched some

[wintry solar]

Pinto best bean btw

[edgy phoenix]

she basically came from mans balls

[gaunt phoenix]

Let's go back to outlaw

[edgy phoenix]

so u are gay if u like women

[wintry solar]

No, you will all hear my take on Kidney Beans next

2nd best beans for sure

Navy beans mid

Old people food

[sudden flicker]

im gonna stack mastery

cuz zeross told me to

[edgy phoenix]

whatever makes u happy

[wintry solar]

Unless it's hard drugs

I was day drinking the other day and I see why people do that

[edgy phoenix]

how much % speed with all speed items?

[sudden flicker]

i donated blood then i drank a lot

it was awesome

[lime lake]

hell yeah brother

[sudden flicker]

i showed the local chilis the dark side of alcoholism

[wintry solar]

Highest I've seen was 167% but idk how that was achieved.

[edgy phoenix]

hm

[wintry solar]

Disregard

That was haste

[lime lake]

[edgy phoenix]

[upbeat tundra]

anyone else feel like outlaw does not feel good on the ptr

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple i love watching osrs streams

[surreal flower]

oda viewer?

[proven ocean]

i used to watch him when he was on twitch

[cedar kernel]

will u come to watch me

[upbeat tundra]

ho feels so much better than kir

[lime lake]

dont let the kir mafia see that

[upbeat tundra]

on ptr i mean

[lime lake]

damn they made jason todd a wow icon

[upbeat tundra]

anyone find any exceptional trinkets on ptr

[drowsy jacinth]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tender wedge]

there's at least one with agi + damage effect so i guess we'll use that, same as it ever was

[warm pelican]

Hey, been messing around with outlaw after being sin forever. The priority list says to roll the bones number 1 off cd. Is that even during subterfuge as HO? It seems like it is saying that but seems weird to me.

[covert kestrel]

Yeah we roll in subterfuge now

[warm pelican]

Oh ok, thanks. Feels like I'm maintaining snd again haha

[cinder relic]

Fatebound feels so good on PTR

Its crazy

[craggy barn]

is it just the adr cdr that makes it feel good

and gs

are u also taking ks in ur ptr fb build

[cinder relic]

KS is bugged with FB rn so no

[craggy barn]

bugged?

[cinder relic]

Tails coin cancels KS channel

[craggy barn]

LOL

[cinder relic]

Its the AR CDR, and also just like

U actually just shit out coins now

It's not as flashy as I wanted it to be on reveal but its like

U literally are flying coins out nonstop

cuz GS flips 2, ar flips 2

[craggy barn]

i need a gif of coins coming out ur ass guy

[lime lake]

[cinder relic]

I dont have shadowplay installed else I would

[craggy barn]

any of the fights good for fb?

[torpid fiber]

lmaoooo

[frank finch]

[cinder relic]

A lot of burst phases and afk time

Might be a struggle outlaw tier

But I'm gonna have so much fun on farm u have no fuckin idea

[cedar kernel]

[earnest urchin]

Hear me out

Nightelf racial pvp trinket

[wintry solar]

What?

You sure you got the right channel? Lol

[vapid sundial]

no nelf

vulpera only

[dusty blaze]

Is there a precise amount of seconds left on AR running out for this.?..I'm currently prioritising vanish at <4 seconds left on AR.

[delicate seal]

yea i tested it for the st fights feels good

[dim widget]

Not really, since ks duration depends on cp spent which can be a lot of it is supercharged

It's a feely kind of thing, but 4 seconds should be fine, you can sometimes push it a bit more, you'll get a feeling for it when you play more

[wintry solar]

It's really more about when your vanish is off cd

[dusty blaze]

4 seconds seems to be ok aye....97% ar uptime on the 5 dummies in Dorn over 6 min.

[lost slate]

Trickz

[haughty wigeon]

real answer

me

[wintry solar]

[fathom whale]

Hear me out, 12.0 get announced and blizz announce they’re reworking specs to be tanks- one being an outlaw rogue. What would yall do

[wintry solar]

Reroll game

Probably camo grind whatever CoD is out that year. Would be much better than that slop.

[rigid basin]

Current spec leans harder into guns and we get a tank spec that leads harder into swords

If that did happen I'd prolly play the hell out of it. I'd hate to lose current outlaw but I've wanted rogue tank for a while so

[grim spear]

it's harrison ford who is shooting the swordsman

[south glen]

is KIR better than ho for raid rn?

without having alot of haste?

[rigid basin]

KiR hard requires 18-20%

Since we don't have "Take 'em by Surprise"

Gimping ur GCD if you don't have enough haste

[rigid basin]

They are comparable tbh tho in raw DPS I see both in all fights typically

[reef hull]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rigid basin]

HO is technically better ST but barely matters (top Sprocket parse is on KiR)

[south glen]

i have like 6% with haste flask bc i wasnt gearing for outlaw until today ;-;

[rigid basin]

Oof

Yeah you should farm/craft some stuff. 10% is bare minimum for HO

Trickster HO likes more than that

[south glen]

yeah im in the process of getting new gear since my rogue isnt that geared im just spamming M+ to gear for next season

[rigid basin]

crafting will get you most, if not all the way there.

DFC ring is also heavy Haste/verse

[south glen]

im gonna craft a main hand ring and maybe neck depending on how many sparks/crests i get

[rigid basin]

Good first slots

[flat needle]

I might sound stupid but how do i write a macro to switch my offhand weapon? I just used /equip cudgel but since i dont have a dagger in offhand anymore, it switches to mainhand

[rigid basin]

It's in the pin about the cudgel 1 sec

[south glen]

how do i do the nightfall event to even get that?

[rigid basin]

Just fly out to the western side of hallow fall accept the quests there and follow the objectives, it starts every hour

It'll get you one token with which you can buy the wep

It's pretty quick

[flat needle]

This is big, thanks!

Saving a keybind

[south glen]

you cant swap weapons in M+ can you?

[rigid basin]

Np

[rigid basin]

You can it takes a GCD tho

Well you can mostly

For some reason the gally wep you cannot

[south glen]

so that macro is worth having in keys

[rigid basin]

Yeah absolutely

Zac has a WA that reminds you to swap too

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[south glen]

wtf is the trinket from that vendor with no stats on it, the orb

[jolly geyser]

Its a trinket indeed

[rigid basin]

There some weird items ye

[jolly geyser]

Ptr players,any busted trinkets next season?

[rigid basin]

Ehh, there is that funny mastery delve trinket that's 1000% getting nerfed

Prism I think is gonna be good, the stat budget is lower than a normal trinket but it procs for a good amount of damage

[south glen]

i hate delve trinkets being good bc my luck is bad so im stuck with a champ trinket forever

[rigid basin]

xd I hear yeah

I never saw the pirate trinket 😦

[jolly geyser]

And all I got from delves at the start was trinkets

[south glen]

my friend got a hero funhouse and a core amp from the same delve and i was sad, it was his first delve on that toon also

[rigid basin]

Spooned fr

[jolly geyser]

Had highest ilvl pirate trinket,that was fun gally kill

[rigid basin]

Kinda wish they kept it but oh well :p

[jolly geyser]

Nah the pirate lad was broken lol

[south glen]

hes a prot paladin so it didnt even matter for him 💔

[wintry solar]

Yall think blizz trying to make CB viable for outlaw this season with the FB tierset?

[south glen]

wicked name

[subtle field]

can we not reroll during crackshot windows?

[wintry solar]

Ty

We can

[rigid basin]

Oof

[subtle field]

I just dont really see zac doing it, and It just had me wondering if im just doing it wrong

[wintry solar]

Does he reroll right before?

[jolly geyser]

Very likely

[rigid basin]

I mean it's pretty the same

Numerically

[subtle field]

if he has 2 buffs and he goes into crackshot, he doesnt reroll

[wintry solar]

That sounds like one of those min/max things you don't really have to do

[subtle field]

or he extended 5 buffs and didnt reroll, during crackshot

[wintry solar]

I neglected kir this season so I can't really speak on that

[subtle field]

idk, might not be a big deal. Im just pretty sure you can reroll during crackshot

[wintry solar]

You definitely can

[subtle field]

i might just have missed something then

[rigid basin]

It really doesn't matter too much, its net neutral if you choose to rtb or send bte

So if ur fine with ur buffs and they'll last to the end of the window it's kinda samesies

[flat needle]

wow

im impressed

[rigid basin]

I'm glad someone made it my ADHD ass can never remember

[flat needle]

i got a wa that shows the icon of my off hand on screen but sometimes i play 10 minutes before i see i got the wrong weapon

[rigid basin]

I haven't the faintest idea how it knows ur near a boss, but it great

[jolly geyser]

scan for mob and put in names of bosses. Does it work in old content?

[rigid basin]

[civic zephyr]

shik help me brother

i vanish ADR too much

[rigid basin]

Sup

Basically all this is saying is you want to vanish while ADR is up

[civic zephyr]

ah so like if adr has 10-15 seconds up, i dont want to vanish bte, bte, to get it off cd

[rigid basin]

And not to vanish if you have subterfuge or stealth running

You can, you "technically" lose some energy if you send ADR. but If I don't have an Ace proc I use ADR to fill my CP to send BtE again

It's not worth worrying about tbh

[civic zephyr]

i see, ok, im doing something massively wrong i think

17 top first boss i do like 4M dps

and zac just did it at like 10M

[rigid basin]

Depends on a few things

One Zac is well zac

Outlaw has some high variance, also the comp is important

[civic zephyr]

that can make up a 6M dps difference?

[rigid basin]

Not fully

[civic zephyr]

so i must become zac and find a phys comp

and be better

[hybrid crown]

I think any comp you can do at least like 6 mil

[civic zephyr]

is there a way to sim this?

[hybrid crown]

It varies on how fast the boss dies, how much the other DPS are also doing

Maybe grab a log of your 4 mil

What was your ADR uptime during the boss

Also complete side note

I did a sim compare between HO PC no GS, vs KIR 1 fth

My ST sim was only 3% behind

I thought that was kinda surprising

[civic zephyr]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kvXqWuL2AZnd8njvdMAY4S here is my dungeon slice quick sim

[rigid basin]

Part of that is the first bit, Zac is really good at outlaw xd

Internet cut out xd

This is was the rager into boss so 4 targets?

[hybrid crown]

Also between both I did 20% haste to give KIR the best case

[civic zephyr]

yeah - it was an 18 actually and it was a fast run cause priest and mage died and we had no brez for priest but still... shorter fight and i only did 4M like my opener doesnt burst as high or something

[hybrid crown]

Maybe someone logged the key if you didn't look at your wcl

[rigid basin]

Yeah that'll be part of it, that first lust pull gets eaten up by other DPS a fair bit

But as Eric said 6m is a decent mark

[flat needle]

Anyone up for a triple outlaw key (nothing wild, just like 12 weekly or smth)

[rigid basin]

If you don't log, you should look into it. Even if you don't live log having the logs if you ever wanna deep dive is good

Stuck at work else I would :p

[civic zephyr]

is there a way to keep it perma on?

[hybrid crown]

Yes you can set add-ons to auto log

[rigid basin]

I think MRT auto turns it on and off for me

[hybrid crown]

Then you can leave live logging on all the time

[civic zephyr]

ok ty ill look into it

[hybrid crown]

In the wcl client

I have these mega logs with like 50 keys in them lmao

[rigid basin]

Oh JFC you're like our raid lead

[hybrid crown]

Lol

[rigid basin]

We'll be looking at our raid logs and the re is like 10 keys and an lfr run in them xd

Man's doesn't even change the title

It's been like 2 weeks since we started gally and the logs are titled mugzee

xdd

[civic zephyr]

also, had an arcane mage tell me to turn off blade flurry on ML first boss with 3 extra mobs for funnel, is this right? Like i can use it to gain combo points, but then turn it off so i dont kill the funnel so the mage can do more damage?

[sudden fulcrum]

arcane mages do benefit from funnel, yes

[civic zephyr]

ok, i need a macro to untoggle it i guess

[random stirrup]

Have a separate bind for blade flurry that also has /cancelaura blade flurry

And slam it

[civic zephyr]

sounds good, and should i do the same with SnD? I think zac pops it for RTB cdr to get better rolls?

been relying on a weakaura to tell me when to roll

[random stirrup]

there’s some tech yes

[civic zephyr]

idk if im at that level yet lol, but gotta learn it at some point i guess

[rigid basin]

SnD macro is pretty minor, I just use it when there is forced downtime either between packs or during immune phases

[civic zephyr]

does weakaura tell you when to roll out of combat?

or does it do it just in combat? i cant remember, idk it didnt feel right to put my RTB on CD after the snd spam right before the mob pack cause i dont pay attention to my buffs since its all WA

which might be a bad habit? idk

[random stirrup]

I haven’t used the wa since my first week playing outlaw

[rigid basin]

WA isn't very useful this tier anyways given the tier set

You just want more buff

Also wow WCL is bad on mobile

Can't see half the drop-down menus cuz they off screen xd

[civic zephyr]

i just didnt want to look at how many buffs i had, WA tells me when to roll the bones and keep it rolling, but i dont think it tries to maximize with CTO

[rigid basin]

Are you playing KiR or HO

[civic zephyr]

kir

[rigid basin]

I mean you just kinda send it regardless

And slam KiR when you got enough buffs

[civic zephyr]

its always 4 buffs, right?

unless you get a lucky 5 on a roll

[rigid basin]

4 typically yeah

Lucky 5 I wait for 6

[civic zephyr]

yeah i saw someone on youtube wait the last second before a buff falls off just incase he gets a CTO before he presses KIR

[rigid basin]

Yup

[fair oak]

!gs

yo is it safe to macro gs to like 6 abilities

[sudden fulcrum]

no your computer will EXPLODE

[rigid basin]

!macro

[fair oak]

it didnt explode playing poe

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[fair oak]

nothing will make it explode

[south glen]

how many of the nightfall tokens can you get a week?

[sudden fulcrum]

1 i think

[rancid portal]

As far as I know 1

[edgy phoenix]

assa rogues invading outlaw channel

[wary bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-pitchfork-kill-burn-stake-gif-11227021

[wintry solar]

I read that in the Lego city voice

[rigid basin]

Only you can save Lego City!

(by reminding them they are stuck with DS)

[worldly shale]

So what belt sht are we using now?

[hybrid wadi]

I greet you fellow outlaws and I have a request

Please help me understand this spec better because I am quite unhappy with my perfomance with this spec

[rigid basin]

Gun

Joking aside what questions did you have?

[hybrid wadi]

I had a lot of fun levelling this char but now that I am on 642 ilvl my damage is lacking

I have the feeling that I may be too slow for this spec

With the rolls and such

and my single target is really bad

Even raidbots says that I could maybe do 1.2M dps at max

And after blade furry my strongest ability in Details is my Circlet haha

[late swallow]

Are you at your required haste level for the spec you’re playing?

[hybrid wadi]

I am playing with the talent that WoWHead gave me

HO Trickster

[rigid basin]

Do you: have 4pc and have at least 10% haste?

[barren stream]

Ready to play samira in world of Warcraft next season

[hybrid wadi]

I have 20% haste atm

[rigid basin]

Oh gotcha

[hybrid wadi]

and no set bonus because the char is quite fresh

does the set bonus have such a big increase in damage?

[rigid basin]

Tier set will help alot, without tiersets you should be running the old vigor/loaded dice build

Lemme forward the st/aoe builds rq

[hybrid wadi]

wait I got the set bonus now

[rigid basin]

ST build here

Ah

You have 4pc? Disregard this build then kekw

[hybrid wadi]

I made my champion items to set bonie now

But another question, what is a good talent build, which may not be the strongest to, to get a good grip of the spec?

[rigid basin]

The HO trickster build is pretty good

It's straightforward with the rtb rules and doesn't have too much mental overhead compared to KiR

[hybrid wadi]

Alright thank you good sir

[rigid basin]

If you haven't read thru #outlaw-faq, give it a gander it's a good guide and solo always keeps it up to date

[hallow spoke]

can u put S.A.D on engi bracers?

[rigid basin]

Should be able to, was able to socket Engi bracers in df

[inner meadow]

thought on what i should spend my dinars on? Haven't played raid this season to much so only 3 bosses done on mythic.

So can't get the magnet

[random stirrup]

Mythic crowd favourite and put it in mainhand

[inner meadow]

Ahh yes, Forgot about that

appreciate it

[tranquil orbit]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rotund violet]

Hi everyone !

I have 2 questions regarding RtB, it's written to reroll buff for 4 mini. But if I have 2 long buff (50sec+) and 2 little proc (8sec~) is it 4, or 2 and I have to roll ?

And do we RtB during stealth moment ?

[gaunt phoenix]

use this weakaura https://wago.io/TIgC_QiQz

like this

pretend the yellow buffs are 50s

You would roll here

you roll if you will lose 0-2 buffs by rolling (red or blue border)

[rotund violet]

Thank you !

So yes, the 4 or less, is about the basic one, and not the proc

[frail veldt]

Yep

[gaunt phoenix]

you're playing the KIR build yes?

[frail veldt]

Hey solo

[gaunt phoenix]

the HO Build rolls with 4 or less buffs (including the proc)

the KIR build has a whole different thing going on

[frail veldt]

Wait nvm lol

[gaunt phoenix]

hey

[rotund violet]

no playing HO

I'm playing HO *

[gaunt phoenix]

oh okay

well you said 50 second buff, you cant get 50 second buffs without KIR

[rotund violet]

yeah sorry, the number was incorrect :p

[gaunt phoenix]

anyway the HO build simply rolls with 4 or less buffs, including the proc

however 3 or less buffs is the same thing

so yeah you are rolling a lot

and you do roll in stealth, or you lose cooldown reduction on rtb

[rotund violet]

Okokok !

Thanks for this information ❤️

[formal pawn]

Wake me up when we're op

[covert kestrel]

[rigid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-shocked-face-future-gif-14292131

[median lance]

1 button rotation is op af on outlaw fr

[inner meadow]

quad wield?

new meta next patch

[timid portal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fossil charm]

hmmm not really , you don't maximize your stealth and rolling

anyway , anyone had a look on 11.2?

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorny plume]

Anyone has a good build for ptr

[gaunt phoenix]

same KIR but remove sleight for loaded dice

for fatebound, open with GS > AR > RTB from stealth (dont AR first)

AR from stealth doesnt proc double jeopardy on its own coins

[rigid basin]

That's kinda funny

[timid portal]

!ss

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[craggy barn]

theres not much u need to save cloak for on gally right

like u can just send it on a suppression

or whatever the aoe lightning thing is called in p1

[random stirrup]

If you’re soaking a side later in the phase one of them omega overlaps with bombs

around the 6min mark

[craggy barn]

the third set? or last set

[random stirrup]

I think I wrote it bad

Later in the phases

It’s in p3

[craggy barn]

ah

[rigid basin]

RL might hard assign you to immune a heal absorb

[craggy barn]

also u can just feint ks suppression and it doesnt do big dam?

we arent immuning

[rigid basin]

Test and find out

If it ticks too hard cloak

[craggy barn]

im watching zac pov rn and he does it

in p2

[vivid vessel]

whats that

the little aoes or

[craggy barn]

the big lightning aoe

the run out one

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

it does z damage

but its fall off damage

ifd you stay very inside

you can get one shotted

but not outlaw tho

i think you live if you are on top of boss with feint

as long as you are topped

[craggy barn]

wonder if we'll see p2 today

[rigid basin]

I've just been grappling in and out last second but I'd it's not too bad to just feint KS fuck it

[craggy barn]

god damn gally is so frontloaded

lol

do the technicians have separate unit ids?

nvm

[rigid basin]

Yup it's hilarious how nothing the last phases is

[bright barn]

Hello, is the uhuh bug that makes you lose AR if you re-stealth early in subterfuge window still active ?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

They fixed that

[bright barn]

thank you, do you remember which patch was it ? Would like to read those patchnotes I missed it

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think it was in patch notes. it just happened with 11.1

[verbal pike]

By our third time hitting P2 we got him down to 12%

[barren stream]

Hidden opportunity playable?

[keen belfry]

no

if u play HO ur computer blows up

[sudden fulcrum]

yeah it happened to me. i'm on discord from my Samsung Smart Fridge

[random stirrup]

Hope ho noobs enjoyed their tier of equality

[mighty pivot]

it's looking like a failbound tier tbh so everyone is a loser

[jolly geyser]

I bet KiR is higher on the chopping block tbh

[shell canopy]

is there any good weakaura solutions to BtE Combo point refund?

I feel like im chugging cp b/c I don't notice the proc

[jolly geyser]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[lone spear]

i love the base sound effect of ace refunds, its just euphoric

[jolly geyser]

I dont have game sounds on

got music

[trail plinth]

When I get a bunch of refunds I say welcome to the south side of Chicago

[lone spear]

as an australian idk what that means

[trail plinth]

And proceed to do middling damage

[lone spear]

i dont think ive ever even seen a gun that isnt a cops

[jolly geyser]

lot of gun stuff in chicago

[trail plinth]

South side of Chicago is notorious for gang violence and such lot of shootings per capita compared to the rest of US

[cinder relic]

uhm

[shell canopy]

would be fine if u couldn't hear OTHER rogues sounds

[lone spear]

i think outlaws sound design is pretty good, better than its visual design anyway

[vapid sundial]

Dont think many states let you open carry

is why

You can conceal easily enough besides in like NY, cali, there was one other but i forgot what

[lone spear]

more likely because im in australia and guns are banned xdd

[vapid sundial]

that too

[lone spear]

i wanna go america some day...maybe in 3-4 years tho

a blizzcon would be cool

[rancid portal]

HO is only playable cause of tier set?

[random stirrup]

Well it’s always playable

Usually it’s 1-5% behind instead of the 1% ahead it was this tier due to the tier set

[rancid portal]

I thought it was behind on M+, that 1% ahead is ST right?

[random stirrup]

yes

technically it’s ahead on low target cleave too I think

[shell canopy]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[shell canopy]

man I'm smoothly 50% of my sim

[mighty pivot]

you're halfway there then

[shell canopy]

only 4 mil dps left to find

[crystal hearth]

Hey, is crackshoot the reason why I can spam between the eyes so often ?

[vivid vessel]

ye

reset the cd if sent from stealth/subterfuige

[crystal hearth]

okay, thank you

[haughty wigeon]

oyi zac what do u think of killign spree after this weeks changes?

i still feel like the channel is to long and the cp generation is weird

[vivid vessel]

doesnt change a single thing to me gameplay wise

its just worse numerically

[proven ocean]

every class is doing outlaw's aoe dmg in st

busted ass burst st

sin and sub undertuned too

gg kinda

[vapid sundial]

Yes

Outlaw made the mistake of being good for a season.

So they had to put us in our place.

[proven ocean]

pure st btw end of fight

no funnel no adds

[barren stream]

enh is flirting with 5m too

[vivid vessel]

its not pure st tho

[proven ocean]

it is

[barren stream]

I got 5.2 with high roll dre testing

asc got like 4.8

no funnel

[proven ocean]

arguing to argue

[proven ocean]

enh yea sometimes more even

[vivid vessel]

you have up to 30% damage amp

[shell canopy]

UP TO 60% BUT MY BLADEFLURRY UPTIME CAN'T GET ANY HIGHER OH NO IM COOKED

oops caps

[proven ocean]

and that doesn't make it pure st?

xd

its the only pure st fight in ptr

[vivid vessel]

you acting like these specs do this damage in st

[proven ocean]

and they do?

what are u talking about im confused rn

[vivid vessel]

ye with 30 % damage amp

[proven ocean]

yes and we're comparing this st with every other class on that same boss

zac arguing to argue again

[tender wedge]

“These specs do outlaw’s aoe on a pure ST fight” without mentioning there’s a big damage amp IS kinda misleading. I guess your point still stands but why leave that part out lol

[proven ocean]

if u dont know that it has a dmg amp thats on you

and the dmg amp isn't as big as last boss rookery

cool st class

[tender wedge]

Well I do more dps that than by like 100 times on pure ST

By the way it’s on critters

[proven ocean]

oh wow the 10% buff that lasts for 8 seconds made him do 10m st

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[proven ocean]

stacks up to 3 and very easy to waste 'em

[vapid sundial]

There is a reason the rogue discord dooms a lot

bc we feel shafted a lot

[proven ocean]

idk what ur talking about

i feel like ur just typing random stuff 24/7

that dont make any sense

[vapid sundial]

hes saying he does more than that when hitting a critter

lol

[proven ocean]

idk what thats supposed to mean

but ok

[vapid sundial]

critter

the

little insects

roaches

spiders

[proven ocean]

yea i dont know what a critter is at all

xdddd

[vapid sundial]

you do

bc yo udid outlaw bug

didnt you?

season 1

[proven ocean]

i know what a critter is but i didnt do the outlaw bug

[vapid sundial]

gothca yeh

those thigns

are critters

[proven ocean]

ok

i dont understand why hes saying 100x dmg

because that doesnt make even 1% sense

[vapid sundial]

well, it takes whatever dmg you do to it and thats your dps

critters might take more dmg not sure

I know what hes saying but he should have just said old raids

[proven ocean]

thats some yap thats for sure

[vapid sundial]

I do 1m dps in wrath

now what

bozos

[tender wedge]

If you don’t know what the damage amp on critters is then that’s on you

[proven ocean]

critter amp matters lets get that knowledge for +21 keys

yo i killed a sheep in elwynn forest im a gamer let me talk about it in the rogue discord

[vapid sundial]

me when dmg amp doesnt cleave

[mighty pivot]

is it that time of the day again in outlaw channel?

[vapid sundial]

its always that time of day

wym

[tender wedge]

Just saying man I think we all know outlaw is undertuned atm, you don’t need to link screencaps of details that require context you don’t mention to prove an already accepted point

[vapid sundial]

kay so

[vapid sundial]

its 10% dmg for 8s

[proven ocean]

i see a very big difference here

i thought outlaw will do 7m st?

[vivid vessel]

your statement

[proven ocean]

9m st

[vivid vessel]

was just

false

thats it