No more tier so back to vigor
#outlaw
cinder relic
Imma just try FB otl on everything tomorrow probs
I wanna try all 3 specs, outlaw first ofc
gaunt phoenix
you can prolly go 1 vigor, maybe 2 is too much
lone spear
yea, tea is wild too
brave lagoon
I completely forgot we wanted vigor before s2
brave lagoon
My brain is too smooth to figure these things out
cinder relic
Any known reason for KS canceling
random stirrup
doesnt tails coin do it
gaunt phoenix
i guess no way to sim 2 vigor + 9% haste vs 1 vigor + 18% haste or w.e
wintry solar
Really? :(
wintry solar
Lame
wintry solar
I don't want to rest. I want to roll.
cinder relic
LD with FB feels real good
Its cool that outlaw has so much random synergy all the time
wintry solar
just less damage
When I play HO in M+, I play without ace, I cannot afford that lol
Actually I can. I still top meters
lone spear
ye
like im the same on alt specs, ill take the 1-5% decrease if it means playing something more fun
outlaw doesnt really have those choices, cause rn the most fun is the optimal
wintry solar
Yeah for sure
Also
I don't always play without ace, I have a lot of different builds. I play every build because I like Outlaw that much.
neon oasis
hmm just played with a rogue that cast btw only 20 times in a cindewbrwe
brave lagoon
interesting playstyle
lone spear
a based no crackshot enjoyer
then again that wouldent even be high enough casts to keep buff uptime
wary bridge
hmm just played with a rogue that cast btw only 20 times in a cindewbrwe
Only to keep the buff up right?
neon oasis
his bte did less damage than authority of radiant power lol
brave lagoon
a true no guns, only swords build
neon oasis
lone spear
cause 20 times, say 20sec average duration, thats only 400sec so like 7min
neon oasis
cinder relic
All the coin damage buff is huge too
gaunt phoenix
Fatebound is peak
random stirrup
blade rush
gaunt phoenix
in raid
lone spear
yea im excited for pure ST fights
sullen walrus
yea, we back to old roll priority likely
old roll priority? what does it mean? i’m playing sinse s2
cinder relic
I mean we played fatebound in all content in season 1
brave lagoon
would fatebound be decent in keys again 
cinder relic
Its possible we play FB everywhere
gaunt phoenix
you take loaded dice and just roll if you can turn 1 buff into 2 buffs with loaded dice
cinder relic
Even if "Oh the fate intertwined loses damage" blah blah blah
lone spear
old roll priority? what does it mean? i’m playing sinse s2
what solo said
wintry solar
hmm just played with a rogue that cast btw only 20 times in a cindewbrwe
How do you manage that?
lone spear
Even if "Oh the fate intertwined loses damage" blah blah blah
yea, but i think we wont
whole ass KS rework, its gonna be played
gaunt phoenix
maybe some extra rules to roll over like GM BT if loaded dice is active still
sullen walrus
you take loaded dice and just roll if you can turn 1 buff into 2 buffs with load...
it’s worse wtf 
brave lagoon
it lowers haste reqs by a lot too playing fatebound no?
lone spear
which means trick played
torpid fiber
How do you manage that?
not setting up keybinds right
wintry solar
Amazing
sullen walrus
but boys, they can change a lot of things for outlaw
it’s only ptr
sullen walrus
only kir 
lone spear
i think the worst feeling thing on ptr right now is trickster HO
its so hard to send a proper coup, or to even build up to one with the current rules, something likely will change to play around tier
cinder relic
Trickster felt fine, you just have to be more ignorant with ur UB usage
Being ignorant with all the procs might just be correct so idk
cinder relic
Idk if its actually better
But its possible that being ignorant is better
Current HO is pretty ignorant with resources
zinc steeple
Im still trying to figure out how to optimally use coup
lone spear
sorta, mainly in that you just dont follow the same PS rules as KiR
hoping for a KiR tier
this tier was good in that both were really close
wintry solar
I think we got lucky tbh
lone spear
eh, partly
but with how big the divide can and has been
gotta give credit where its due
cinder relic
Its been close every tier for years
lone spear
realz did good job
cinder relic
Since abberus really
wintry solar
Well, if Guy says so.
clear zephyr
What about this critical rate? hahaha
cinder relic
It's also like
I'm sure we are going to have the usual "KIR IS DEAD" meltdown
and then KiR is fine
(this has happened every tier since abberus as well)
brave lagoon
just tried, it kinda slaps
wintry solar
I'll be playing both like I always do anyway so idk why I act like I care.
cinder relic
Just do ur best to combat the negativity 
brave lagoon
idk if it's meant to keep adr up 100% but it was easy to achieve
sullen walrus
kir trickster spell priory? coup- ks- coup?
wintry solar
I think it's the classic case of "I want what I play to be best"
cinder relic
idk if it's meant to keep adr up 100% but it was easy to achieve
Yeah kinda just pressing shit and I have like
99.9 uptime
even with KS (when it was working)
brave lagoon
I ran about 5 minutes on the dummy it canceled once
like, insta canceled the channel
fathom bramble
I'm sure we are going to have the usual "KIR IS DEAD" meltdown
I think people often forget that KIR in itself isn't actually that much of a dps gain so it requires a VERY large adjustment to actually swing anything
grim spear
Is it possible that we'll be playing KS with FB?
cinder relic
like, insta canceled the channel
Its tails flips that cause it
fathom bramble
like for all we look at these 2 builds they don't actually have that much power in the talents that differentiate them
cinder relic
Is it possible that we'll be playing KS with FB?
A non zero chance yeah
brave lagoon
yeah I saw that message, I can't really notice it in real time but I believe it
cinder relic
KS in S1 for FB was a DPS increase
fathom bramble
which is part of why the 2 builds can be so close in value
cinder relic
like for all we look at these 2 builds they don't actually have that much power ...
haha yeah
grim spear
I mean next tier
cinder relic
Yes but what I'm alluding to is the fact that possiblity isn't that absurd
We might, we may, we could
Nobody knows yet
KS is probably getting another 1-2 changes
fathom bramble
if they buff KS you will run it as FB too imo
cinder relic
My money is on yes KS for FB
lone spear
i mean im fine with that
cinder relic
But dont play KS on raid testing
brave lagoon
I mean, might as well use that fresh new reworked KS yeah
fathom bramble
right now the recent changes are just a massive trickster nerf
wintry solar
Even if it cancels ks?
thorny zinc
would KS have the same prio with FB?
lone spear
after playing KiR FB for the xpac, itll be nice to have something to spice it up
fathom bramble
and if they place more buffs on KS instead of generic trickster then it definitely makes you go it as FB and trickster
grim spear
gotta say I prefer Fatebound, but the new KS looks amazing.
fathom bramble
would KS have the same prio with FB?
prio would likely be lower since the insanely high prio is thanks to all the power that trickster brings to the spell
sullen walrus
why my ks always cancelled when i try to use it?
gaunt phoenix
why my ks always cancelled when i try to use it?
fatebound? the tails coin cancels it
sullen walrus
it’s cast like 0.3 sec wtf
lone spear
gotta say I prefer Fatebound, but the new KS looks amazing.
pray for best of both worlds, KS as FB 
fathom bramble
it's possible that they buff KS enough to make it our highest prio though who knows
late swallow
Looking forward to tc’ing more stuff to doom about
cinder relic
I'm excited for the spec to play 0.2% different and it to be peoples 9/11
I'm just excited to press KS 
brave lagoon
gun goes pew pew pew
wintry solar
Hmmmmm what am I excited for
latent oak
bac based poe gamer?
lone spear
im hoping they can make the animation smoother, like fists of fury doesnt look weird and cancel with stuff
latent oak
u have crafting bench open on the left of the picture
wintry solar
In pve I'm ambivalent tbh other than KS change. That's good.
lone spear
i want the anim to play in its entirety so i can feel like miss fortune
latent oak
are the chinese servers also fucked
tbf servers have been fine for me since i swapped to canada east
cedar kernel
wdym
latent oak
like do u crash alot
cedar kernel
nah no
latent oak
not crash sorry but get dc'd
latent oak
ngl i prefer using trade site with how well u can specify what u want to find
wintry solar
Night night
cedar kernel
yaya ik, just dont know how much value in game market is ennit
have a nice night
at least map buying is pretty easy
proven ocean
I'm excited for the spec to play 0.2% different and it to be peoples 9/11
how is it 0.2% different
it plays way differently
not a bad ragebait tho
6/10
cedar kernel
u know that zeross
proven ocean
gaunt phoenix
yes but you are shitting out coins like sonic
gaunt phoenix
hi
proven ocean
wtf
i dont drink but i never saw a full glass of wine in my life
dont ppl fill it by like
5%
sudden fulcrum
i've never seen a full glass of wine because i drink them too fast
sudden fulcrum
somnius more like sommelier
late swallow
proven ocean
expert piss sniffer or what
rigid basin
Classic Chugs
sudden fulcrum
that GIF is making me crave orange juice
proven ocean
https://tenor.com/view/urine-test-gif-19939272
bro lowkey this content is fire af
ngl
kai and speed in mario outfits driving a van
late swallow
Damn Mario is tanner than I remember
plucky chasm
Xddd
wintry solar
Yknow
plucky chasm
Zeros waht u guess will be better outlaw or assa rogue ? I mean with the things „now“ on ptr, i know we waiting for tunings and stuff
late swallow
Falling is crazy
wintry solar
I do miss fb
plucky chasm
Just asking rn how it feels
proven ocean
Falling is crazy
ikr
proven ocean
Zeros waht u guess will be better outlaw or assa rogue ? I mean with the things ...
for now i think sin is way better tbh
unlike live where sin is better in vdh comps and outlaw in physical
i think sin is better everywhere now imo
only keys where sin might be bad is this new dung and tazavesh streets (not gambit)
thats my current wild guess ^
gaunt phoenix
how is the new dung
proven ocean
the dungeon pool is extremely good for sin atm
plucky chasm
Okay i never played both dungeons
gaunt phoenix
nice
proven ocean
worst melee dungeon in the game imo
late swallow
The new KS art is sick
frail veldt
I do miss fb
That's a wild take
proven ocean
because it hits everything from narnia
next wedge
finally got 16 resil!!
proven ocean
@frail veldt i taped both my keyboards btw
next wedge
jesus
wintry solar
Is it?
proven ocean
i double taped my main keyboard but lowkey, not good for wow might untape ngl
plucky chasm
finally got 16 resil!!
Gz
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> i taped both my keyboards btw
How's the result?
proven ocean
its really good mewo
but u know me
i like keyboards for wow minmaxing
so i'll keep my wooting 60he for typing and open world pc stuff
plucky chasm
Waht keyboard u use zero? Send pic pls
proven ocean
and wooting 80he for wow
my wooting 60 he sounds super fucking good btw
its actually crazy good
plucky chasm
Wooting 80he got it
proven ocean
Waht keyboard u use zero? Send pic pls
wooting 60he and wooting 80
ya
both customized
plucky chasm
Can u showw
proven ocean
my wooting 60he is fully handcrafted to the teeth
late swallow
Ross is a certified coffee, keyboard, and headphone enthusiast
proven ocean
idk got no good lighting atm later later ok ok
plucky chasm
So for WoW u only use the 80 one ?
proven ocean
ok maybe not later later 1 sec bro
plucky chasm
Thx ❤️
proven ocean
ok ngl my setup is a big ass mess gonna try to take pic of my keyboard only
plucky chasm
Yeah its fine relay xd
cinder relic
That's a wild take
FB is fun
frail veldt
FB is fun
Did they change stuff for next patch so that fb actually has an influence on what you do or is it still just an added rng to your DPS
frail veldt
Oh that's good, so it's just a passive tree
gaunt phoenix
coins are fun
frail veldt
Lol I don't see them
I guess you get an extra cp from SS procs right
Currently fatebound is just as if an arbitrary amount of DPS is added to your meters at the end of the fight lol
late swallow
FB is based
late swallow
Pure vibes
late swallow
It’s actually Meta now 
wintry solar
Grandpa
gaunt phoenix
Fatebound rewards good gameplay now
late swallow
Maybe ur right
vapid sundial
late swallow
Facebook is bots and senile boomers shouting into the void
wintry solar
Hope it's more viable in M+ now
gaunt phoenix
It's not
wintry solar
Dang
gaunt phoenix
but i dont want to deal with lucky coin in keys
proven ocean
Can u showw
Idk bad pic but lighting looks too bright on the photo but its quite low
frail veldt
but i dont want to deal with lucky coin in keys
Yeah the out of combat thing is shit
Makes fatebound unbearable in pugs
late swallow
Idk bad pic but lighting looks too bright on the photo but its quite low
Banger key caps
proven ocean
i have my straps off atm
frail veldt
Idk bad pic but lighting looks too bright on the photo but its quite low
I like the key caps
frail veldt
Lol how much did you pay for your cable
proven ocean
this strap is so beautiful
but i need a bigger table and change my whole setup but i'll do that in maybe 4 months
then i think i'll have an actual good looking setup that matches the things i use
cinder relic
Did they change stuff for next patch so that fb actually has an influence on wha...
When trickster is so involved, having something almost entirely passive is chill
proven ocean
Lol how much did you pay for your cable
idk
proven ocean
cable wasnt cheap but let me check
cinder relic
U just play the spec, no sillyness
wintry solar
And yeah. Forcing capstone, shooting out a million coins now cuz gs
Does that kinda solve the coin uptime in keys?
proven ocean
not too worth imo
should've gotten them from a 3rd party
not from wooting themselves
but its aight i like it, quality isn't that great
the design and the materials look nice tho
cinder relic
Does that kinda solve the coin uptime in keys?
U basically auto get it now feels like
proven ocean
i think i had issues with the cable once but i managed to fix it
not sure why might've been motherboard related (my pc)
late swallow
Real gamers used 25 dollar HP membrane keyboards
proven ocean
Cheap keyboards keep me humble
idk keyboards are abit not the best side to chase after imo
u can waste alot of money real quickly
i'd like to have another hobby but idk what to go for rn
wouldn't call any of that a hobby but
idk
@late swallow does it rain alot in ur country
or
?
was wondering why do ppl not like getting wet by rain
late swallow
Depends on the season
proven ocean
i love rain
proven ocean
idk i never understood why ppl hate rain
late swallow
UAE prolly doesn’t get much?
wintry solar
i'd like to have another hobby but idk what to go for rn
Learn an instrument
I'm learning the violin rn
wintry solar
That's a good one
sudden fulcrum
fencing (the sport)
proven ocean
been pumping some weights lately prob will keep on going like the old times
wintry solar
Lately I've been modifying my guitars more than playing them
waxen acorn
i'd like to have another hobby but idk what to go for rn
pistol competition is a very deep hole to get into as a hobby
proven ocean
felt like i crafted it more than actually using it
wintry solar
I've soldered more in the past 3 weeks than I have my entire life
late swallow
i'd like to have another hobby but idk what to go for rn
get into cycling
late swallow
UAE currently sponsors the best cyclist in the world
sudden fulcrum
is the 19% haste thing really important? i'm at 8% and i feel like i will never be able to try outlaw
proven ocean
friend of mine likes to get into all those cycle marathons
he doesnt win but
does it for fun
cinder oxide
i'd like to have another hobby but idk what to go for rn
i paint flash, you should try it!!! easy to get into and cheap (:
proven ocean
wtf is paint flash
proven ocean
oh painting
nah cuh me no painter
like
if u ask me to draw a cat
i'll probably make a donkey
or an elephant
idk
proven ocean
i tried
wintry solar
I should get a banjo
late swallow
scurvi is right
late swallow
you have to unleash your unconscious mind
proven ocean
my guy somnius being a monk rn
cinder oxide
open paint rn and doodle the first thing that comes to mind
proven ocean
unleash the painting chakra
cinder oxide
i believe in you
proven ocean
open paint rn and doodle the first thing that comes to mind
i dont think i can post it here bro
ripe ibex
@proven ocean go gym 
proven ocean
i give up already
cinder oxide
hey georgia o'keefe got very popular making that kind of art
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> go gym <:cuh:1383247320791122034>
7 hrs ago
proven ocean
you could become a speed puzzler
idk whats that
cinder oxide
then you can send us videos of you winning speed puzzle competitions
you build a puzzle really fast
wintry solar
Ever since I got put on nights, I picked up origami
proven ocean
just coffee stuff
xdd
@late swallow dude i became rly good at making coffee now im glad
wintry solar
Oh lol no nothing like that.
cinder oxide
omg you could start brewing your own craft kombucha
proven ocean
i talked to a barista like 1-2 weeks ago irl
late swallow
<@533772072845836302> dude i became rly good at making coffee now im glad
that's super sick honestly
proven ocean
got some rly nice tips that i wasn't aware of
late swallow
barista coffee rizz
late swallow
got some rly nice tips that i wasn't aware of
you gonna give her your coffee tips?
cinder oxide
O.O
ripe ibex
WHAT
proven ocean
late swallow
mistype mb
cinder oxide
im gonna find you a good hobby
wintry solar
From Som?
cinder oxide
its my lifes mission now
proven ocean
i feel like i can get the flavors out rly well now in coccee
coffee
ngl im surprised it improved the body too
im 100% sure my v60 is like
better than most cafe's atm
most cafe's dont make that good v60 tbh
its mostly just make v60 and sell it
im prob not as good as a proper barista tho
that i may need to get some coaching first
sudden fulcrum
yeah you gotta sim to find the best coffee beans for your coffee maker
proven ocean
ye thats what u should do
like
5 v60's in 1 day or someshit
prob more if ur rly serious
frail veldt
im prob not as good as a proper barista tho
Well they're pulling shots usually
proven ocean
I feel like cafes rarely care about coffee
we have some insanely good coffee here in uae
rly good baristas
we have aeropress championship winners and stuff
v60 r2, r3 world
proven ocean
v60 r2, r3 world
i had a v60 from 1 of those guys but i dont remember which one it was
was rly good
frail veldt
we have aeropress championship winners and stuff
Isn't aero press also espresso
frail veldt
It's like halfway haha
proven ocean
wdym its way different
frail veldt
Well in terms of the water to grinds ratio and it being more pressure oriented
Compared to drip or pour over coffee
proven ocean
idk im not that experienced in aeropress
i dont make it at home yet
no clue on the basics on it
i prob should get into it rly soon
i want to kinda learn everything
frail veldt
But yeah I think pour over is about as peak as you can get for coffee imo
I prefer it to aeropress
proven ocean
ye for sure
pour over is top notch
especially if ur having panama geisha beans holy shit
that shit is so good
like
proven ocean
most of those beans from panama are so good
alot of flavors
u taste random shit on every sip
frail veldt
But yeah pour over flavor is suuuuper rich
frail veldt
You mean like using intentionally non filtered?
I think the water isn't that relevant personally
Compared to beans lol
proven ocean
its mostly grinder > water > technique > coffee beans quality > filter paper quality i think?
frail veldt
No shot
late swallow
gotta love these bean names
late swallow
yo bro these battery acid dog piss beans have such a floral body
proven ocean
beans legit dont matter mewo
frail veldt
I entirely disagree lol
That's ridiculous to say imo haha
Beans legit don't matter...
What
Bro
frail veldt
Chat gpt is a goon
proven ocean
i think u didnt research about pour over much mewo
sudden fulcrum
chatgpt will probably tell you coffee beans are great on pizza too
frail veldt
I feel like the other things are like you can ruin the coffee if you fuck it up
frail veldt
I think they're assuming you have decent beans in the first place
proven ocean
i think its a wild thing to say that grinder doesnt matter
sudden fulcrum
imagine doing all this when you could just drink some cold brew that is ready instantly and already tastes great
frail veldt
Like if you have old beans or way over roasted shit you can't do anything
proven ocean
or ur completely clueless
frail veldt
Why would people even care about the beans then lolol that's the most expensive part of the coffee
That's just nonsense
proven ocean
Like if you have old beans or way over roasted shit you can't do anything
its VERY hard to find over roasted beans, and old beans are your fault really and they dont become bad if u freeze them
frail veldt
It's the thing you're bringing the flavor out of
proven ocean
if ur buying from a shit roastery
thats on you
mewo idk what ur talking about rn ur just yapping
sudden fulcrum
lots of people will tell you that over roasted beans are easy to find at Starbucks
proven ocean
It's the thing you're bringing the flavor out of
?????????????????????????????????
no way u just said that
wintry solar
its VERY hard to find over roasted beans, and old beans are your fault really a...
Does this apply to grounded coffee too?
frail veldt
Brother what are you making if you don't have beans
proven ocean
its crazy
frail veldt
You're making hot water
proven ocean
brother
frail veldt
The fick
proven ocean
beans dont matter
at all
it sims 5% dps maybe
or 10%
grinder sims 50% dps
understand?
ripe ibex
grinder is main hand beans are bracers
proven ocean
let me explain it in outlaw terms ok
frail veldt
I agree grinder is big but all it's improving is the flavor you get from the BEANS
proven ocean
beans are slice and dice
frail veldt
It's still the beans
frail veldt
That's ridiculous lol
proven ocean
I agree grinder is big but all it's improving is the flavor you get from the BEA...
xd
frail veldt
Like there's a reason there's so many ways to make coffee
wintry solar
water is rtb
Up until recently I swapped from tap water and it made a pretty big diff
proven ocean
im surprised u didnt look into youtube videos about pour over if ur saying beans matter all that much lol
frail veldt
If I have to buy coffee I buy espresso
frail veldt
I have that's just what I think still
frail veldt
Ofc filtered
wintry solar
I drink from a water hose when working outside so my standards are low
sudden fulcrum
buying a reverse osmosis water system was the first thing i did when i moved into my house
frail veldt
The rest of the variant and difference in flavor comes from changing beans
proven ocean
bro
all beans have flavors
idk what ur trying to say rn
like u can say u have beans preference in taste
but
i think ur overestimating "bad" beans
frail veldt
My take is like this
you can ruin coffee by having a shit grinder or shit water or shit technique
but as long as youre doing those mostly correctly
frail veldt
doing it 80% correct to 90% correct is like a very marginal improvement
dawn talon
i can taste the difference between low and high quality beans very easily, but i also have a trained palate
frail veldt
and you see more flavor difference in bean variety
dawn talon
no but i wouldnt sous vide a $4 hamhock either
proven ocean
yeah you can fuck up a wagyu by cooking it wrong
????????????????bro
broken microwave
is
frail veldt
a decent cook using wagyu and a very talented chef cooking fucking old shitty cut of steak the wagyu probably turn sout better
frail veldt
Im not disagreeing
proven ocean
WHAT IS HE GONNA COOK
frail veldt
but im assuming youre not a fucking idiot
frail veldt
thast not the example
proven ocean
WAGYU STEAK
frail veldt
why would you cook with a microwave
proven ocean
like
proven ocean
HOW IS IT NOT AN EXAMPLE
frail veldt
TOILET WATER
proven ocean
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
frail veldt
thats my whole fucking point
proven ocean
nah
frail veldt
youre agreeing with me lol
you can fuck up your coffee with a shit grinder or bad water
but you can only compensate with water/grinder/technique so much
once you have those at a decent level
the beans are a lot of the remaining variance in flavor
frail veldt
I would say a $3 etheopian tastes better than a POORLY brewed geisha
ofc you can ruin a wagyu
plucky chasm
Zeros bro waht macros u use for sin ?
frail veldt
but that DOES NOT mean the meat doesnt matter
proven ocean
xd
frail veldt
like what
OFC the meat matters
im assuming fucking competence here
cuz thats whats relevant
it doesnt matter how bad a bad coffee is
im assuming youre at least making the coffee correctly
wintry solar
I'm learning so much from this
frail veldt
think about it like this zeross
proven ocean
i never saw bad beans
frail veldt
they all have access to the same beans
frail veldt
so the only thing theyre ocmpeting on
proven ocean
im not evfen kidding
late swallow
I'm learning so much from this
when two black kings speak, I sit down and listen
frail veldt
so ofc thats all that matters to them
proven ocean
all beans are rly close to each other mewo
idk what ur trying to say with "bad beans"
frail veldt
like if you said gear doesnt matter in wow
wintry solar
when two black kings speak, I sit down and listen
I'm so out of my depth here lol
proven ocean
im genuinely confused
frail veldt
thats only true if everyone has the same gear
but if someone has 40 ilvl on you
and they are even half decent at their rotation
they will beat you
proven ocean
bro
frail veldt
no matter how perfect you are
proven ocean
grinder is like a unnerfed udk blood beast
big impact
630 ilvl will beat a 680 ilvl outlaw rogue
in big aoe
sudden fulcrum
frail veldt
not on overall
wintry solar
I get zeross tbh. It'd make sense if an evenly grounded coffee was more impactful.
proven ocean
pull big entire run
frail veldt
rofl youd have to be SO BAD
proven ocean
and its over
frail veldt
the perspectives youre echoing are from people who always have access to the best beans
proven ocean
I get zeross tbh. It'd make sense if an evenly grounded coffee was more impactfu...
i genuinely think mewo didnt try a good grinder to compare with a bad grinder
mewo
frail veldt
so their entire focus is on improving the other controllable factors
proven ocean
i have a 25$ grinder
and a 800$ grinder
u have no idea
how big of an impact that makes on my v60
frail veldt
25 to 800 is ofc an insane difference
proven ocean
25 to 800 is ofc an insane difference
and 20$ to 200$ beans isnt an insane difference btw
just saying
frail veldt
but james hoffman using a handgrinder could prob make a better coffe than you
so
what are you even saying
esp if you had shit beans
if you have shit beans
proven ocean
but james hoffman using a handgrinder could prob make a better coffe than you
ur underestimating hand grinders
proven ocean
yes u are
proven ocean
hand grinders can be rly good
frail veldt
opposite
proven ocean
well
frail veldt
im saying outside of DOG SHIT
proven ocean
thats not true at all
frail veldt
bro hand grinders arent that bad thats my fucking point
even cheap grinders are pretty good
if you buy the right ones
proven ocean
i think i can make a better v60 if i have a 3000$ grinder and he uses a cheap ass 5$ grinder
from temu
than him
im 100% sure
frail veldt
yeah ofc if he uses a fucking TEMU grinder that doesnt even grind properly
but thats not thec omparison
AGAIN
wintry solar
I wish I had the funds to compare and contrast this myself
frail veldt
IM ASSUMING COMPETENCE
proven ocean
well even if its a 50$ grinder
frail veldt
half decent fucking quality equipment
frail veldt
hoffman with a 25$ grinder nice beans and off the shelf filtered water will pour better than you with shit beans and the most expensive grinder on the planet
proven ocean
u taste 5 different flavors vs a 100$ grinder than brings 1 flavor on its best day
depends on how shit the beans are
frail veldt
hahahaha
proven ocean
most beans are rly good mewo
frail veldt
you said "beans dont matter AT ALL"
proven ocean
like if ur buying beans from starbucks
frail veldt
I think thats a fucking absurd statement
frail veldt
lol
frail veldt
I think you can get a pretty good grinder for not that much money
okay
I stop
listening
proven ocean
all beans are standard on speciality level of beans
u wont buy anything below that ever
unless ur broke af
for grinders, it depends on what u have
like
i genuinely think i can win a 25$ grinder james vs me on a 10000$ grinder same beans lets say
ok mewo whats ur reply
wintry solar
Damn, do they get that high?
proven ocean
10000$ grinder, i use 200$ beans, he uses 20$ beans he will win BIG TIME
proven ocean
i genuinely think i can win a 25$ grinder james vs me on a 10000$ grinder same ...
ok lets say 100$ grinder then
vs 3k grinder
frail veldt
once you get the technique down, have a decent grinder, and use good water, you can get a LOT of variety of flavor just by changing beans and trying different origins
theres way more flavor variety in beans
proven ocean
100$ grinder hoffman, me on 3000$ grinder, same beans i win i think
frail veldt
than in the rest of the stuff as long as you do them correctly
proven ocean
100$ grinder hoffman, me on 3000$ grinder, same beans i win i think
but
frail veldt
for me the grinder, technique, and water all have a "correct" ish solution
proven ocean
3000$ grinder both of us, me 200$ beans, him on 20$ beans he wins by alot
frail veldt
the beans however offer a subjective variation
that is the actual interesting part to me
proven ocean
3000$ grinder both of us, me 200$ beans, him on 20$ beans he wins by alot
dont u notice anything
here?
frail veldt
I aim to brew "correctly" but I select beans for they all have something different to offer
theres no "correct" bean
which is why I say the bean matters the most
cuz its the personality of the coffee
its the source
its what everything is desigend around
you brew to get the flavor out of THE BEANS
proven ocean
mewo u may have coffee preference, i dont think what ur trying to say comes down to a good cup
because 20$ beans can bring a 10/10 cup, 200$ beans can bring a 10/10 cup
but
100$ grinder vs 1000$ grinder
thats a gamechanger
no matter what
its a big difference
rly big
proven ocean
nah man theres no way u think that way
frail veldt
10000%
proven ocean
wait wait let me ask u a question then
because
i genuinely think ur a fermented beans enjoyer
arent u
frail veldt
nah
proven ocean
then?
frail veldt
I think thats novelty shit
proven ocean
what type of beans would u say are good
frail veldt
if you wouldnt want it every morning
I dont think its relevant
thats like "delicacy" stuff
proven ocean
ye well i like fermented but
frail veldt
delicacy is another word for tastes bad but is interesting once
proven ocean
not everyday shit
vapid sundial
i got 2 beans you can have
frail veldt
I think if you dont want it every time then its not actually subjectively better
proven ocean
cuz im curious
frail veldt
like you would never intentionally brew worse
I like very nutty light roasts
its broad
but thats my preference
single origin nutty light roasts
wintry solar
i got 2 beans you can have
The jokes write themselves
proven ocean
mewo why aren't cafe's using different grinders btw?
u never realized that?
every good cafe
has this
frail veldt
yeah cuz theres a "correct" solution
frail veldt
why arent all cafes using the same beans btw?
proven ocean
im confused???
proven ocean
???????????????????
wintry solar
The one I worked at had that one
frail veldt
MATTERS
proven ocean
beans dont matter
vapid sundial
The jokes write themselves
yah
frail veldt
the rest is just a means to see the personality
frail veldt
youre proving my point rofl
proven ocean
ur talking like a casual coffee guy
proven ocean
its like ur saying omg i love ice cream it matters alot more than cotton candy because its cold and nice
wintry solar
Isn't the grinder the vessel for coffee personality?
proven ocean
but that legit doesnt matter
frail veldt
but there isnt an objectively better bean
frail veldt
since its preference
unkempt cypress
🍿
frail veldt
Isn't the grinder the vessel for coffee personality?
no its what allows you to taste the coffe haha
if theres no beans
theres no coffee
frail veldt
is a shit grinder
frail veldt
but after a point
frail veldt
the grinder stops mattering
proven ocean
frail veldt
thats just elitist shit
frail veldt
no one needs to spend more than $300 on a grinder
proven ocean
proven ocean
no one needs to spend more than $300 on a grinder
ur crazy ngl
frail veldt
only if youve run out of good beans to try
frail veldt
beans vary in price a lot too
frail veldt
like im not gona buy grocery store beans that have been on the shelf for months
no shot
proven ocean
brother
thats like going to buy a grinder from temu
same shit what is that ass comparison
wintry solar
Where am I suppose to get beans from?
frail veldt
yeah but also I think your return on investment for money spent on grinder falls off a cliff pretty quickly