#outlaw

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keen belfry
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wait zac

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like example

vivid vessel
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Npnp

keen belfry
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blazikon

sharp hinge
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i rarely see videos of outlaw in keys on youtube

keen belfry
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i did 2.52 to blazikon

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no lust no pot

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i dont think i could possibly have done more

vivid vessel
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Who is blazikon

keen belfry
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2nd boss dfc

sharp hinge
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the pokemon

gaunt phoenix
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blaziken

vivid vessel
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Ah ye

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Do you light candles

keen belfry
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no adds brought on

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no

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or

sharp hinge
keen belfry
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once

vivid vessel
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Cause I don't

keen belfry
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i lit candles once

vivid vessel
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Ever

keen belfry
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idk how i oculdve done 2.8

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pot wouldve helped sure

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but not 300k dps more

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lust pot = how much dps

vivid vessel
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Idk

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I can

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Just be better maybe

keen belfry
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i watch vod i think no miss gcd

vivid vessel
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But like

sharp hinge
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maybe good rolls too

vivid vessel
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300k is easely rng

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So

keen belfry
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i had perma 5 buff i think

fallow hinge
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ur easily rng

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got 'em

vivid vessel
keen belfry
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yeah true

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crits/ace procs etc

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u right

vivid vessel
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I have moments I have no energy with a 5 buffs and adr

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Not even capping

sharp hinge
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Zac is a lizard? since when

fallow hinge
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Zac is a lizard?

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did I miss something?

sharp hinge
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he has the wyrmrest temple tag

keen belfry
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i did 2.1 to candle boss and i was happy for that

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like

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that boss

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impossible

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i only go tstunned once but i also sent low cp ks and sat on ks for so long too

vivid vessel
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Aug one trick

fallow hinge
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I haven't decided what tag I want yet

vivid vessel
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I went with Aug tag

keen belfry
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whats thje most pad youve done on first boss zac

covert kestrel
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zac is aug main

keen belfry
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of dfc

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im obsessed with the pad on that boss

vivid vessel
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12 mil?

keen belfry
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thats sick

vivid vessel
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Around that

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I don't play the weapon on that boss tho

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Maybe I should

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Idk

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It's probably better to kill the cart ??

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Who tf knows

keen belfry
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i think moving grapple to non mousewheel up was +4% dps increase btw

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should be a pin

wintry solar
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Non mousewheel?

covert kestrel
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mousewheel up for stealth for me 😄

keen belfry
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shift mwup was grapple

fallow hinge
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mwu is harpoon/wild charge

wintry solar
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Mousewheel up for zoom in

keen belfry
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moving it to E was +4% dps i think

covert kestrel
covert kestrel
wintry solar
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Real

gaunt phoenix
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i dont use E but i use shift E thinkingr

covert kestrel
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ngl i love when keybind conversations come up cause everyone's is so different and seems so cooked

keen belfry
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frontier you geraing a brew to tank for me since @ripe ibex wont?

covert kestrel
keen belfry
covert kestrel
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which is bad sometimes

wintry solar
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Ping is G for when I ping dead party members and go "Guys look at this idiot who died to a mechanic"

covert kestrel
fallow hinge
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ping yourself a lot huh?

keen belfry
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i also dont use R as fatebound which is crazy to me

wintry solar
fallow hinge
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naturally

covert kestrel
wintry solar
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Shift 6 is sprint

covert kestrel
wintry solar
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Shift - is grapple

faint ferry
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R for movement is elite

wintry solar
covert kestrel
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playing piano up in here

sharp hinge
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yall dont use an mmo mouse?

wintry solar
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Is it?

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Or is the pinky to thumb range that insane?

sudden fulcrum
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if you don't have multiple foot pedals you're not a real gamer

sharp hinge
remote pecan
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Casually drumming outlaw?

wintry solar
sudden fulcrum
unkempt cypress
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Haha shift gear up for sprint

wary bridge
wary bridge
sharp hinge
hasty warren
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How can I sim bandit fight ? patchwerk 2 target ?

gaunt phoenix
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you could

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but ngl i dont think your gear will change

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Compared to st

hasty warren
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I was wondering if cleaving will affect belt option

gaunt phoenix
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i think you are forced to go critical chain

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charged bolts sucks and charged crystal will break

rigid basin
hasty warren
gaunt phoenix
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Yeah that's charged crystal

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which is good but it will bug out

hasty warren
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so crit proc is safer ?

gaunt phoenix
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yea

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In your case crit proc or vers proc is like the same

harsh forge
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im gonna miss sleight of hand :(

wary bridge
hasty warren
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well it's 0.3%

late swallow
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what are the FB bugfixes mentioned in pin?

hasty warren
late swallow
gaunt phoenix
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bugs i didnt know existed

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love that

lunar mantle
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im trying out rogue and was wondering if having high ping like 140-160ms can be an issue to play outlaw properly?

gaunt phoenix
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if it's stable then it's okay

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some people play at it

fallen knot
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the new ks icon is bis change my mind

keen belfry
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did they fix athe skipping over 7 fatebound bug

gaunt phoenix
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i didnt check

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today

keen belfry
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solo..

gaunt phoenix
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i checked like 3 days ago and it wasnt

lunar mantle
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okay thank you! and does the spell queuing window needs to be changed for outlaw? or default should be fine

fallen knot
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either 100+ms or leave it at 400

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depends on how you feel it

proven ocean
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@vivid vessel sin dps in comparison

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i think sin has good st now

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fire is alittle too op ofc tho

gaunt phoenix
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it's kind of preference, it depends on your keyboard mashing habits i think

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can change it if it feels weird

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how is that dungeon btw

lunar mantle
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okay thank you guys very much! i'll try to play around with it

civic zephyr
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are we using echoing void? even in dungeons?

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gaunt phoenix
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naw its bugged

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theres an older pin on corruptions

civic zephyr
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oh, so twilight dev?

fallen knot
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twilight dev for big dopamine or gushing wounds for consistency

gaunt phoenix
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dev or gushing

rigid basin
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TD gamers rise up Catnod

civic zephyr
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ok coool, ty guys

gaunt phoenix
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dev is more aoe but a bit rng and can rarely pull mobs

rigid basin
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But it's also cool as fuck so worth taking into consideration

covert kestrel
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we get to pretend we have cool animations for half a patch

rigid basin
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Don't worry the cloak next patch kinda flash bangs you which is cool?

wary bridge
subtle field
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have both tiersets been testet in ptr? any thoughts?

red zinc
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@proven ocean did you get the cloak on ptr or nah

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Curious about the damage share

proven ocean
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2% dps

red zinc
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ah

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Guess you upgrade it every week

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And we dont really know what that looks like yet

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pretty aight though

gaunt phoenix
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where do you get weapons on ptr

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am i blind

red zinc
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pvp vendor?

gaunt phoenix
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ah

unkempt dew
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When can we go bang bang?

red zinc
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i dont think theres anything else unless you do all the crafting effort

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or if its a special raid weapon

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(Only intel this tier)

little mural
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Whats up with the Wax whistle trinket? It does no damage for me, but I still see people playing it?

gaunt phoenix
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no damage at all?

little mural
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1.3% overall in dungeons

gaunt phoenix
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that's normal

rigid basin
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Yup that's correct

gaunt phoenix
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all trinkets are kinda hargo

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gargo

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garbo

sudden fulcrum
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more mine carts!!!

red zinc
gaunt phoenix
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Like pacemaker you dont see on details but it's not doing much

little mural
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Its still the best option outside of raid trinkets?

red zinc
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debatable

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All trinkets are equally whatever

gaunt phoenix
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yeah wax whistle or pacemaker

little mural
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Im running both

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I was surprised to see people run it, so I thought it would be better. I guess to get a raid trinket instead

gaunt phoenix
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the raid trinkets are also 1.4% of your dmg

keen belfry
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i hope

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we have strong trinkets next season

little mural
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really? damn

rigid basin
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Yup

strange sky
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during subterfuge but without Hidden Opportunity do i just sinister strike instead of ambush?

gaunt phoenix
tidal sequoia
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how many stacks for magnet ? 30 ?

rigid basin
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Slam whenever unless you got a damage amp to send into coming up

indigo token
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this is fucking glorpshit

sudden fulcrum
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wow wtf

indigo token
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blizzard went woke..

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we cant even see observer buttholes anymore

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💔 ts pmo 🥀

rigid basin
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That's crazy

unkempt smelt
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is the OH from Nightfall events still bis?

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in aoe

rigid basin
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Yup

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(during trash specifically)

indigo token
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im unsure how i feel about KS being 3 min cd

rigid basin
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Wouldn't use it on any aoe boss fights except maybe waxbeard

indigo token
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doesnt that make it the same cd as AR

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functionally

rigid basin
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Else we have the situation where have to decide to send KS or Vanish

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Which is gross

indigo token
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ig

keen mason
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mugzee weapon 671 is never superior to a 684, right? Just due to the passive

rigid basin
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We had too much cdr

unkempt smelt
eager rose
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Look pin

rigid basin
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Yup as he says it's in the cudgel pin

indigo token
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are the changes live?

dark fractal
indigo token
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also can I say fuck cd manager

haughty galleon
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So ive read the outlaw guides multiple times and all, done keys 12s but i still struggle with it, i panic at times and i find it a bit difficult to interrupt with so many things to monitor. but have i understood this part correctly.
Only use ambush as a builder when i subterfuge, and only use big pew at 5+ points in subterfuge. Outside use the opportunity procs then ambush proc. Dont use Stealth when ar is under 3?? And use shitstorm suicideteleport outside of sub with 6points in ar window?

indigo token
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its so bad

rigid basin
dark fractal
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4 dungeons in row belt didn't proc, the 684 sim lower tho, what other power can we play

rigid basin
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Crit or verse typically

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Or just mythic belt where you know you will always get value

fallen knot
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solo simbot is saying that the vers proc is a bit higher than the split damage one in dslice, like .1%, is the splitdamage one more consistent?

rigid basin
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I mean if it's not procing at all seems no

fallen knot
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ah

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then vers it is

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and for ST the bolt one is still higher

indigo token
fallen knot
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1% higher

rigid basin
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I like it for the most part, channel is slow still but since we are pressing it less it's fine ig

hollow belfry
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Has anyone done high keys here on a steam deck?

late swallow
rigid basin
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Steam deck gaming HOLY

stiff glade
polar roost
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wa

stiff glade
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wa

polar roost
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XD

rigid basin
indigo token
rigid basin
indigo token
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i was more so thinking of like

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imagine opening up an umbrella 6 inches deep into your asshole

late swallow
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the most goated change

indigo token
vale warren
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finally getting consecration off my goddamn screen

toxic umbra
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I’ve been using essential for years already

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I was so confused by this wowhead article when I saw it

keen belfry
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might log onto ptr idkl

ripe ibex
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if it’s good

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but i think im tanking this season

keen belfry
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all i hope for is either prot warr or brew meta

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if prot warr meta, mistweaver meta too please

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i dont want a windwalker in my keys

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finally a @ripe ibex tank season

primal wadi
keen belfry
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i dont know tanks that much, how often are keys defined by a tank being unable to live them?

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assume good play

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like i know prot pally just dies on 20 psf 1st boss i think

chilly atlas
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yeah, they killed spell block with alot of dungeons where sblock super good, but we'll see balance, and hopefully they give us a better spell defense replacement talent, cuz the 4% parry aint it

keen belfry
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basically i just wont want vdh meta because that = magic comp in LFGs head

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give me bear give me brew give me warr

primal wadi
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and utility ofc

keen belfry
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i just hate openning LFG and seeing all the groups are VDH and thinking "i will only be invited if they choose me over a dk"

ocean sequoia
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Hello friends, does Outlook feel good in 11.2? Have not played since DF

primal wadi
hybrid crown
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Blood DK is a blast

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Vamp strike makes such a cool sound

primal wadi
ocean sequoia
civic zephyr
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I remember seeing there was a weapon swap WA? or how do you guys generally track crudgel so you don't forget nvm found it https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

Weapon swap reminder

Will remind you to swap your off hand weapon when leaving combat, will also notify you if you start a boss encounter wit

primal wadi
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so kinda mid I guess lol

hollow maple
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huh my WA 👀

sharp hinge
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am i a dumb ass or does rogue have a hidden raid buff?

lucid sandal
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
primal wadi
sharp hinge
stuck sparrow
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I mean that is the raid buff

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the 3.6% dr from atrophic

sharp hinge
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but its a chance to apply it

stuck sparrow
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Its up as long as you have uptime

tepid skiff
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anyone know the custom line of code to perma set ur eye of kezan to 10 stacks for the whole sim?

primal wadi
sharp hinge
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what a lame raid buff

primal wadi
civic zephyr
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For flasks do we sim which one we use or do we prefer alchemical chaos / versa

sharp hinge
# primal wadi

but we dont have it in M+ -__- where as everyone elses raid buff works in dungeons

primal wadi
sharp hinge
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we use numbing poison

primal wadi
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it depends more on the dungeon and your team imo, in higher keys you almost always use atrophic since your teammates actually know how to interrupt lol

rigid basin
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The secret secret raid buff (that might be a bug?) is the fazed debuff ;p

lone spear
sullen walrus
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boys whats your thoughts about outlaw in 11.2?

rigid basin
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I'm hopeful

sullen walrus
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better or worse?

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especially kir build

fervent garden
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can you be hopeful for worse?

sullen walrus
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but a lot of rogues said they killed outlaw

primal wadi
civic zephyr
sullen walrus
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in 11.2

granite merlin
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It’s much better than bringing nothing to the table

primal wadi
light dune
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💀

granite merlin
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lol I am coming back to outlaw now that old KS is dead ❤️

frail veldt
sullen walrus
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but i think damage will be worse, what u think?

frail veldt
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for whatever reason I see tanks just get fucking 1 shot sometimes

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and the keys over

vivid vessel
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someone tldr cloak

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what do i need to be doing

lone spear
nocturne folio
frail veldt
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you need to harness the power of Reshii Wraps to unlock its potential

sullen walrus
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@green pelican what's your thoughts about outlaw in 11.2?

frail veldt
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duh

light dune
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anyone else played PTR keys? RN Fatebound feels very fluid and fun and Trickster feels kinda clunky and wierd

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though the in combat requirement is annoying a lil

median lance
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Why are yall testing stuff on ptt

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Ptr

frail veldt
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wdym

median lance
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You know they don't listen to feedback 🤣

frail veldt
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they listen

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they just dont do what we say all the time

hollow temple
frail veldt
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cuz theres a lot more factors that go into their decision making

primal wadi
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they listen only half of what we say lol

sharp hinge
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aka money

frail veldt
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I thnk they listen to all of it

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they just dont act on it

hybrid crown
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I think unless they nerf the things they changed for s2 trickster, it will be the default for keys

primal wadi
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if they didn't listened we would still have old KS

frail veldt
# sharp hinge aka money

money, allocating resources to stuff that is higher value, hitting other targets that are blockers for other teams, etc

median lance
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Sub has been sub for how long the expac

nocturne folio
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Imagine listening to player feedback... pls no, i have seen all the dumbasses i played with, dont want them shaping the game OMEGAKEKW

frail veldt
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whats wrong with sub

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sub plays great

hollow rampart
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Zac made na account. They will listen

lone spear
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no mewo you dont understand, i dont like it therefore the devs dont listen to anyone

hollow rampart
vivid vessel
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bro wtf

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does this cloak do

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halp

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wowhead artcile

lone spear
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makes you look cool

frail veldt
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HARNESS

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ITS POWER

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ZAC

rigid basin
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Wdym?

fervent garden
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turns you into pure semen energy

primal wadi
light dune
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I'm happy KS doesnt kill you anymore dont get me wrong but I hate that it returns combo points
and 2p trickster is just more randomness so you're kinda praying you get that last proc for two coups and the fishing feels bad

rigid basin
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You do quest pick a stat and then it procs flashbangs that blind you and damage the enemy

lone spear
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i think we just need to be able to actually see UB stacks

frail veldt
lone spear
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like in game

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not just through a half-working WA

sharp hinge
frail veldt
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I mean

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they do run lean afaik

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in terms of developer count

sharp hinge
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they dont, they build a parking structure infront of the office so they can expand parking. there are thousands of people who work there

lone spear
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realz isnt just sitting there hitting a target dummy perfecting the outlaw rotation

frail veldt
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so you stop sounding dumb

lone spear
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he has other shit to do, and making sure the 1% of players that really care about wasting a UB stack are happy isnt on the top of the list

sharp hinge
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i mean they built wow classic in 2004 with a dev team of 5

frail veldt
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thats also just not accurate

sharp hinge
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today they have hundreds of devs

frail veldt
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and frankly an INSANE statement rofl

sharp hinge
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it is true

frail veldt
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someones def not a developer

rancid portal
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What uptime % we looking for in keys?

sharp hinge
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my dad told me

rancid portal
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For AR

frail veldt
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if youre playing very well

lone spear
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MIKE MORHAIM BUILT WOW IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

nocturne folio
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and then some others believe it

rancid portal
nocturne folio
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unreal

lone spear
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like minecart section in cleft

primal wadi
rancid portal
sharp hinge
rancid portal
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I got 75% uptime on Workshop

lone spear
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kujo can be tough to optimize dps

rancid portal
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Little low, still room for improvement I guess

lone spear
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agressive cloak usage and knowing the timings of whether u can hold the vanish for the downtime is important

frail veldt
lone spear
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same as holding the AR and not slamming it

sharp hinge
rancid portal
sharp hinge
lone spear
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5, 50, no diff

sharp hinge
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small number for the same amount of work

obsidian walrus
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AND THEY CANT FIX THE CHARGED CRYSTAL

light dune
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its so much more relaxing

rigid basin
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I mean, just feint and you live anyways

lone spear
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can believe blizz has 10000 devs and sometimes when i loot an enemy the window doesnt disappear, this game is unplayable

lime lake
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Small indie company with 100000 devs and can't fix my glove transmog

rancid portal
lime lake
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Insane

lone spear
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hold strong brother

primal wadi
lone spear
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...say that again

primal wadi
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😂 😂 😂

median lance
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Outlaw is becoming mf

sharp hinge
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whats mf

lone spear
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we did NOT need the gif

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but i appreciate it nonetheless

prisma vessel
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same

lone spear
prisma vessel
sharp hinge
lone spear
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MF LoR art is still the peak

primal wadi
lone spear
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dude they should give us littile monkeys we can summon

median lance
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Monkey companion

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Pet class

primal wadi
lone spear
median lance
lone spear
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or at least i hope so therefore im manifesting

sharp hinge
obsidian walrus
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
hybrid crown
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Its cdr needs to go up too though

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Doesn't that also mean less coup casts

lone spear
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on PTR its already crazy how man UB we get

primal wadi
lone spear
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increasing its CD will make everything feel better

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right now on PTR every single ambush/SS give EB, and thats just too much

sharp hinge
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KS gets updated, ends up being we dont run it anymore. yay

proven ocean
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@vivid vessel 6m overall??????? what happened??? i do 9m overall on live

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wooooooow zac

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outlaw bad??

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zac washewd upp!??!?!

sharp hinge
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he mains aug

rigid basin
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Is this left over from earlier? dracthyrhehe

vivid vessel
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i never said you were bad lol

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spec is just dog

proven ocean
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im just memeing

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zac

vivid vessel
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i do way less damage than on live

proven ocean
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ye

prisma vessel
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if i wanted to test fatebound on PTR for aoe, what do i drop for ghostly strike O.o

proven ocean
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told u its bad

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kinda feels shit

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especially st zac

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its so rng

lean root
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Charged Bolts i still good ?

rigid basin
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No

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Check ze pins

vivid vessel
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nothing works

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idk

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trickster is borked

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i dont even feel 2 p

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ks cp is bloat annoyance

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everything is cringe

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lol

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ks too long

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i cant get cto

timber knoll
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Fatebound back on the menu??

rigid basin
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I hope not xd

prisma vessel
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thats why i asked my prior question xD

sharp hinge
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oh man, are we cooked for s3

light dune
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fatebound feels pretty fun

rigid basin
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I mean it's week 2 of ptr :p

light dune
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trickster feels messy

vivid vessel
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outlaw feels 10 times better on live

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this is legit dog shit

sharp hinge
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time to create a reddit post

rigid basin
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And 3 more forum posts

vivid vessel
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does 2p even work

rigid basin
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Time to beat on dummies again xd

hollow temple
sharp hinge
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he plays aug, that cant be true

vivid vessel
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bro

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pressing ks

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feels

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like

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the most dogshit momemt

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ever

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you just press it

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go afk

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doesnt do anything

light dune
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ye

vivid vessel
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im full cp i cant spend ub

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i have a trash 2p i dont know where my ub are

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its

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idk

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also i do less damage than on live

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with 40 more ilvl or some shit

sharp hinge
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oof

rigid basin
vivid vessel
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bro

prisma vessel
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2nd week ptr blues.

vivid vessel
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its mega shit

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why does it build cp also

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it should just gives you 2 eb directly

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so its not trash

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i cant even press ss

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to consume ub

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and i have no idea

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if i have ub

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cause of 2p

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that also does nothing

livid oasis
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Zac what are you running belt wise on LIVE? I've read the pin but feel like my DMG overall is just dog shit in 17/18?>

light dune
proven ocean
light dune
#

like KS > Coup > BF > Coup would feel better

proven ocean
#

but idk

vivid vessel
#

bro idk

proven ocean
#

i didnt play outlaw as much as u tho this season

#

but

vivid vessel
#

i cant spend the ubs

proven ocean
#

i did feel it

vivid vessel
#

i cant ss

#

and ks is just

#

stupid man

proven ocean
#

ye i told uj it feels weird zac

uneven viper
#

make KS this and we back

image.png
vivid vessel
#

i dont have time to press ks

#

its bad

proven ocean
#

idk whats even best

#

ks or coup

#

idk

#

its just weird

vivid vessel
#

neither

#

i legit feel

#

better

#

when i low cp ks

#

then double coup without building in between

#

like xd

proven ocean
#

yes true btw

#

look at breakdown

#

KS seems to not even scale well anymore

#

like

#

feels like its doing 0 dmg

crisp condor
#

Zeross with the twitch exposure on Yoda stream

#

DDoSD the server before they could finish the key with rogue doing poorly

proven ocean
#

💀

#

sin looks rly bad in this new dungeon tho, i think tier set is absolutely dogshit too and poorly designed

rigid basin
proven ocean
#

sub double coup im 100% sure realz never did a single test on it

#

not once

#

its absolutely illegal

quaint delta
#

who cares about pressing KS anymore, cooldown has doubled!

random stirrup
#

you overcap so many escalating blades on sub its crazy

#

you cant even low cp coup like outlaw does since you dont reset to 1cp

proven ocean
#

double coup on sub 💀 cant press coup cuz no energy on the 2nd coup 💀

#

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

#

cant 2nd coup

#

as sub

#

no energy

#

💀 💀 💀

random stirrup
#

ye

proven ocean
#

shit ass gameplay

#

lmaoaoaoo

light dune
uneven viper
crisp condor
#

Nah the cannonballs would politely restrict themselves to 5 targets

rigid basin
#

I've brought it up before, too bad blizzard retconned the pirate fantasy of the spec

hollow temple
#

i swear lol

rigid basin
#

No it's doomed, were doom!

hollow temple
rigid basin
hollow temple
#

its just.. beta energy

rigid basin
proven ocean
#

guys

cinder relic
#

REROLL NOW

proven ocean
#

outlaw is doing tank dmg again

cinder relic
#

Turn off the computer

proven ocean
rigid basin
#

I'ma play outlaw anyhow

cinder relic
#

Reroll ww

#

Reroll dk

stuck sparrow
#

What is guy rerolling to

rigid basin
#

Dk deadge

stuck sparrow
#

🤔

cinder relic
stuck sparrow
cinder relic
#

I play rogue every tier for prog garf

crisp condor
#

Can't reroll DK unless you have a social media page to spread the good word

rigid basin
stuck sparrow
#

Wait what do you alt for splits

hollow temple
#

shameful behavior

crisp condor
#

3rd really, since Grip has two charges

lime lake
#

2 charges of grip and amz

#

overflowing in raid buffs

#

shameful display asking for more

stuck sparrow
#

Not having a raid buff is a good way to sit on farm.

barren stream
#

Looks like verb is doing okay dmg now

#

Dunno about st

chilly atlas
#

not everything needs a raidbuff

rigid basin
rigid basin
#

Yes we do

chilly atlas
#

is just to force comp to have 1 of everything, it creates no meaningful decisions

cinder oxide
#

id rather one of everything that 6 mages O.o

glossy pewter
#

First reactions, is the trickster or fatebound set looking better on PTR, I haven't played any outlaw this patch but trickster + KS scares me

hybrid crown
#

KS is getting a rework so it doesn't teleport you around causing deaths

glossy pewter
#

love that

#

is it fun?

#

does coup de grace still lock you in an animation?

hybrid crown
#

I haven't tried it but it looks great

hollow temple
cinder relic
#

So now warrior

subtle field
#

seems pretty early, but do we have a build for m+ in s3? any changes?

cinder relic
#

Way too early

subtle field
#

when is the new season anyways?

craggy barn
#

august

subtle field
#

I see ppl are using loaded dice though

glossy pewter
# cinder relic Way too early

is it too early for which one gives you the best vibes, like if you had to smoke a fat blunt with one of the sets which one would you pick

hybrid crown
#

Trickster because fatebound seems like it's only worth using for single target

#

And KS looks dope

craggy barn
#

loaded dice bc we are losing s2 tier set

stuck sparrow
craggy barn
#

thats probably the only known thing in terms of builds rn

subtle field
glossy pewter
hybrid crown
#

What happens if a mob moves out of range during ks

glossy pewter
#

and its normally the most popular spec anyway

stuck sparrow
#

thats not saying much to me

craggy barn
#

they dont get targeted

hybrid crown
#

Does it cancel, stop generating CPS?

craggy barn
#

it doesnt stop

stuck sparrow
#

considering i find ret boring

craggy barn
#

it keeps channeling until cancelled

subtle field
#

so we jsut wont be spamming RTB as much?

cinder relic
hybrid crown
#

Does it keep doing damage

cinder relic
#

The fact that you can force the capstone, and then just coast off the huge cd reduction is chill

craggy barn
#

it will do damage if it acquires a new target

#

if nothing is in range it wont do any damage

cinder relic
#

But killing Spree is Soooooo good now

#

So it's hard

keen belfry
#

fatebound tier is sick, fatebound tree isnt sick

craggy barn
#

but as soon as something is in range it targets and damages

cinder relic
#

I'm excited to write the Tier article cuz I love both sets

#

Vibes are immaculate

craggy barn
#

u should write the KS article

glossy pewter
keen belfry
#

guy does a good job of gaslighting the community i do respect that

#

atleast on wowhead and in this disc

#

he sounds just like us on twitter

subtle field
stuck sparrow
#

what is crusade back

cinder relic
#

Ya

stuck sparrow
cinder relic
stuck sparrow
#

I just hear rets complain their hammer no work on mugzee

keen belfry
#

wowforums too you sound like us

subtle field
#

how?

cinder relic
#

The biggest issue I have with most of you is not what you guys are saying, it's how you say it

keen belfry
#

but here u are ret paladin

#

righteous

craggy barn
#

the biggest issue i have with u guy

#

is taht u havent made the new ks icon a badge

#

😠

keen belfry
#

i simply dont understand how u make a post in forum agreeing with zacs post then post "But killing Spree is Soooooo good now" im genuinely not understanding

rigid basin
#

FACTS

proven ocean
#

@vivid vessel i told u

image.png
#

ur even doing 1m less than me

rigid basin
#

New r1 outlaw inc

#

Kekw

proven ocean
#

dw hes still below tank

sullen walrus
#

its crazy, how they killed outlaw

subtle field
#

I was thinking more of how shammy is soo high?

#

or is that normal?

keen belfry
#

i feel like we will do 4mil st in s3

#

in dungys

#

right?

rigid basin
#

Enh is funny

subtle field
#

what

proven ocean
subtle field
#

we do like 2 mil now

proven ocean
#

2.07m st omegalul

proven ocean
#

zac

#

?

cinder relic
vivid vessel
#

i cant even come close to maintaining adr

proven ocean
#

ye

cinder relic
#

"I like overall that ks puts a pause in the specs extremely rapid rotation akin to eye beam and fof"

proven ocean
#

no zac

subtle field
#

no :C

proven ocean
#

outlaw is doomed

#

idk

#

this new tier set is so bad

#

told u

subtle field
#

how is asssa doing mr zeross?

proven ocean
#

its so horrible

vivid vessel
#

thje tier set

#

feels

#

useleess

proven ocean
vivid vessel
#

legit useless

proven ocean
#

sin is good but'

#

like

#

its not good good

keen belfry
subtle field
#

damn

proven ocean
#

the sin tier set isd so bad

vivid vessel
#

bro outlaw was so good

proven ocean
#

is so bad*

vivid vessel
#

and

#

its jut

subtle field
#

at least sub is playable?

vivid vessel
#

terrible

proven ocean
#

see ur overall zac

#

same as mine bntw

#

btw*

glossy pewter
proven ocean
#

i did even more without raid buffs

#

too rng atm

cinder relic
subtle field
#

@vivid vessel How do we loose adr uptime?

#

cause we just loose hella buffs?

vivid vessel
#

tier set does nothing

#

legit nothing

#

ks last forever

patent mirage
#

WAT

vivid vessel
#

and does nothing

#

i dont have coup

#

i dont have anything

subtle field
#

what about fatebound?

proven ocean
#

tier was 5% with season 2 tier set, and it had good synergy with it

#

not current tier set

#

current tier set is RLY doing nothing

primal wadi
#

so rogue in general is dead this season?

proven ocean
#

no

#

sin very good

#

for keys

patent mirage
#

there we go again

proven ocean
#

may be bad for raid

#

but

subtle field
#

shit

proven ocean
#

idk

subtle field
#

why tf is it always sin man

proven ocean
#

sin looks very good for M+

#

i hope they buff sin tier set tho

subtle field
#

Tbh though, outlaw has been soo fun this season

stuck sparrow
#

sin’s design is just

proven ocean
#

its rly shit to play

red zinc
#

shouldve never given sin caustic spatter no cap

stuck sparrow
#

very good baseline

subtle field
#

and this season has just been amazing

stuck sparrow
#

and by design i mean spatter

proven ocean
stuck sparrow
#

mostly

keen belfry
# cinder relic Wdym

its awkward cp refund that makes you want to cancel it, its random targetting, not wanting to sc it, its stun/cc lock, it does 0 dps still

subtle field
#

I mean we also have softcap Ig.

proven ocean
#

KS is too long and the cd is too long

#

it does practically nothing

#

like

#

feels ur dps doesnt change with KS

vivid vessel
#

thing is

subtle field
#

have you tested fatebound?

vivid vessel
#

2p

proven ocean
#

feells like a dps loss to press it even

vivid vessel
#

is utter

#

dog

proven ocean
#

ye

#

thats it too

#

ye

#

2p is useless

#

btw

#

zac

#

2p if it procs while coup is up

stuck sparrow
#

sin might be like this tier where you fight the tanks on dps until execute+add spawns

proven ocean
#

that means

keen belfry
#

killing sprees benefits are not the actual button itself, its its interaction with trickster. shouldnt ks do something that feels good (i know you like its vibes please dont say but its cool and looks cool we agree)

proven ocean
#

its doomed

#

theres no container storage

#

for UB

#

its just

#

now or never

#

xdd

subtle field
#

are we hating on fatebound as well? :C

proven ocean
#

idk

#

@vivid vessel try fatebound

#

might be good

keen belfry
proven ocean
#

no cap

red zinc
#

ross

vivid vessel
red zinc
#

does ilvl get scaled in thsi m+ testing

subtle field
#

well if you can force capstone

#

its ggs 🙂

cinder relic
vivid vessel
proven ocean
red zinc
#

o

vivid vessel
#

doing half the damage i do on live

red zinc
#

wait can you hover the brew damage

#

im curious if hes stomp exploting

proven ocean
#

ye he is

red zinc
#

fire

proven ocean
#

monksea prob will do higher overall than zac

keen belfry
proven ocean
#

just a matter of time till he logs in

red zinc
#

wait

#

drohgoh

#

isnt that the guy that had a twitlonger made about him

cinder relic
red zinc
keen belfry
#

respect

proven ocean
#

@vivid vessel can u show outlaw tier set

#

hover over it plz

#

for fatebound

cinder relic
#

Like I get your concern with it but I legit just don't care

#

On a personal level

glossy pewter
vivid vessel
#

he will say outlaw is the most insane shit ever all ptr

#

so fun

#

whoohoo

#

perfect

#

play sub all season

keen belfry
#

ability is ass, its only not shitt ass because its replacing current death button

#

its just poopoo ass cheeks on ptr rn

rustic stirrup
#

What’s the best belt power now? Anyone actually know?

keen belfry
#

it could be worse tho

#

😄

proven ocean
stuck sparrow
#

tbh who actually complains about eyebeam channel

proven ocean
#

zac ngl this feels like it does way more

stuck sparrow
#

its super short

cinder relic
#

Zac having a mental breakdown because his ptr keys aren't going well what's new

vivid vessel
#

guy saying outlaw is always so perfect without ever speccing into the spec whats new

proven ocean
#

ur st was rly funny zac ngl, im glad ur feeling me rn

cinder relic
#

Can u link me where I said that?

proven ocean
#

ur assuming like it is

cinder relic
#

No?

vivid vessel
#

I dont engage

proven ocean
cinder relic
#

New ks has problems still

vivid vessel
#

im reformed

#

mb

proven ocean
#

KS is just badly designed in ptr

#

super bad

#

worse than live

lone spear
#

WOAAAH

vivid vessel
#

idk how you take the worse ability in the game

lone spear
#

lets not go that far

vivid vessel
#

and make it worse

#

ngl

#

thats crazy work

proven ocean
#

funny how when i said ptr KS is worse than live entire twitch chat went wild

#

and didnt believe me

#

btw zac

#

the cp KS generates is so garbage too

#

its legit anti synergy

#

u want 0 cp after KS

#

idk why they added that

#

its annoying af

#

ace makes it even worse

#

idk

keen belfry
#

ngl current ks is only worse cause of how scary it is to press, i think id confidently say new ks is worse in a situation you can just press ks freely compared to live

novel socket
#

i hope they nerf the shit out ks

patent mirage
#

oh dear

novel socket
#

so we just skip it

#

shit skill

proven ocean
#

wtf dps way higher on fatebound

#

coins doing work

#

no cappi

subtle field
#

not being able to reroll at 2 buffs seems illegal

hollow temple
lone spear
livid oasis
lone spear
#

it will go away dw

primal wadi
keen belfry
subtle field
novel socket
subtle field
#

This season was good though

keen belfry
#

i genuinely did not like pressing rtb when i had 2 good buffs this tier (unles sit gave me 5 buff ty)

lone spear
#

rolling 2 or even 3 good buffs

subtle field
#

I didnt mind tbh

lone spear
#

just to get solo grand melee

#

felt so sad

keen belfry
#

i just dont like rtb spam

#

and yes i know rtb is a builder

subtle field
#

rtb spam is the best, especially with supercharger now here

red zinc
keen belfry
#

vibes isnt the same

red zinc
#

I just realized

#

Hes using cudgel scaled up to 710

#

all the damage is fake

proven ocean
#

@vivid vessel remove cheating weapon

#

cudget

#

cudgel

latent oak
#

u say that like ross wasnt doing it aswell

craggy barn
#

zac also probably using details multiplier weak aura

#

😠

proven ocean
#

btw

lone spear
#

dont forget the crit mod too

proven ocean
#

outalaw below arcane mage wiuthout vdh buff

#

below mm too

#

cringe af

#

ngl

lone spear
#

i think MM is super strong on ptr

proven ocean
#

almost brewmaster dps

#

brother

red zinc
#

just watched him skip 6 to 8

proven ocean
#

its doing tank dps

red zinc
#

peak

proven ocean
patent mirage
#

now i understand why realz wont show up here

proven ocean
#

outlaw is doomed in season 3

prisma vessel
crisp condor
#

To be fair. 3mins into key isn't exactly ideal Outlaw DPS appearance

proven ocean
lone spear
#

no, we have to overexaggerate everything

proven ocean
#

then ppl get mad

lone spear
#

this is final tuning numbers

patent mirage
prisma vessel
#

thats probably because yall me him crazy.

lone spear
#

and final design

#

its over gg rerolling feral druid im a cat now 🐱

hollow temple
#

He was here a few days ago

red zinc
#

I mean he designed a class that attracted weirdos apparently

hollow temple
#

Thank god u weren’t around

red zinc
#

Indirectly his fault frfr

lone spear
hollow temple
stuck sparrow
#

checks out

cinder relic
#

I can't believe he would change the spec without Zac's permission

crisp condor
#

Do wonder if Realz reads the discord much or if he just pops in at random and takes a cross section of opinions, drops a random bit of internal knowledge, and dips

cinder relic
#

Honestly disgusting without consulting the discord

proven ocean
lone spear
#

ikr the audacity

#

and not talkin bout the talent either

proven ocean
#

u know that he came here and talked to us alot in DF

#

and ur here pretending like he never did that