i thought the exact same thing lmao
#outlaw
upbeat tundra
cinder relic
More detail would likely look worse when shrunk
mighty pivot
the new icon is ok, but ironically (and unsurprisingly with that name) it does look for fitting for BtE
obsidian walrus
Question for today when I get home do I use the belt or use normal belt XD?
cinder relic
It probably would look out of place with all other icons not being as detailed
empty patrol
More detail would likely look worse when shrunk
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RWBUhI6mSbo machinegun pirate
fading hatch
If they dont use for bte itd fit as killing spree icon after rework
obsidian walrus
@vivid vessel did you try outlaw on ptr m+? How does it feel?
cinder relic
Probably gonan feel awkward until the new optimal rules around coup n shit are learned
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> did you try outlaw on ptr m+? How does it feel?
just on dummies for now
mighty pivot
playing with 150 ping or whatever it is to NA feels like dog
cinder relic
Ik some ppl dont fw it but I really enjoy new KS, even if the animation is slightly too long I'd say
I still don't mind outlaw having its own FOF/Eyebeam
final grail
!wa
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Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
mighty pivot
it is already way better than current KS
dense bolt
what will everybodys opinion be on the long channel when we lose this upcoming tierset for both fatebound and trickster
gritty hamlet
See, I know why I don't do anything on rogue, they're miserable solo lol
vivid vessel
I still don't mind outlaw having its own FOF/Eyebeam
its not why i play outlaw for tho, and i think thats true for most ?
livid oasis
With the belt nerfs is it time to crack back out the Mythic track belt? or keep it for ilvl?
cinder relic
DH Is fast, and has eye beam so idk
vivid vessel
i would be ok if the cast was shorter i guess
cinder relic
Its slightly too long for my taste but I never hated KS conceptually as a "Pause' on the rotation type button
U know me I've said this for years now
mighty pivot
having a small break (and not so often after the CD increase) after pushing many buttons with very low GCD is fine
vivid vessel
eye beam is like half a sec or smth
cinder relic
Its like 1
vivid vessel
ye and it scales with haste doesnt it
cinder relic
It do
vivid vessel
and it already annoys me
cinder relic
Its also a much lower CD
dense bolt
didnt solo say we pressed 60 coups at a 10 min test aswell, in 11.2
dense bolt
vivid vessel
obviouslyt new ks is longer cd so thats gonna change a bit
mighty pivot
if they plan to keep that 3 min CD then the duration increase is unnecessary
vivid vessel
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923682607857685/1387200572461...
thats 2x our current coup amount
which make sense with new 4p
but also doesnt make sense cause we should be getting more
since 2p
but ks is nerfed
and we cant leverage 2p
as much as we would want
split jolt
With the belt nerfs is it time to crack back out the Mythic track belt? or keep ...
mines simming well with the vers proc over a myth track haste vers belt
mighty pivot
at 694 ilvl crit and vers DISC buffs sim 0.7%/0.5% over maxed out pocket ace in dungeon slice for me. That's acceptable tbh
mighty pivot
it's the same jump you'd get with a normal belt upgrade
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mighty pivot
except it's shit rng proc
mighty pivot
crit chain is crit
vivid vessel
ok
mighty pivot
static whatever is vers
vivid vessel
stat shcarge?
mighty pivot
static charge yes
red zinc
zac it baffles me how you have 4min left on 21 ml
Cant wait for dwarf combat potions next xpac after we get dwarf requirement from new dungeons
vivid vessel
zac it baffles me how you have 4min left on 21 ml
brother
last boss bugged out
and killed 3 people
we are 1 min under that
vivid vessel
yep
vivid vessel
our 3 deaths are last boss
from the bug
ikts silly
we are 1 min faster than this
im so mad about it
ngl
was such an insane timer
hallow spoke
boys, what am I buying with dinars. myth fist/magnet+ what? peacemaker? assuming thug hotline bricks off hand
vivid vessel
like @red zinc we are 1 min faster than nawoh run ??
thats crazy no
without the bug fucking us over i mena
now we are 15s slower
unforunjtate
red zinc
like <@258304854966009856> we are 1 min faster than nawoh run ??
Dude i just did a 20 1m40 over time
4 deaths but even without we dont time it
Dk instead of warrior and three masterminds probably didnt help
vivid vessel
skill issue
vivid vessel
When are you going to play ptr?<@352916297262301194>
friday from 15:00st to 19:00 st
and all day saturday/sunday
oh and i guess
im also doing ptr raid test
so thursday 21 to 00:00
and same friday
i guess friday might be ptr all day then
vivid vessel
rn but its only yhe new dungeon bac
cedar kernel
in ptr i mean
vivid vessel
yep
cedar kernel
thats bad
i want to do all
plucky rose
When does it start?
compact smelt
alpine bough
hello, for mm+ only what are the best trinket and belt power ?
fathom whale
hello, for mm+ only what are the best trinket and belt power ?
Check pins
hasty warren
what did they hotfix for fatebound ?
mighty pivot
what did they hotfix for fatebound ?
not hotfixed, but fixed in the latest PTR update
hasty warren
not hotfixed, but fixed in the latest PTR update
k ty
torpid fiber
did they fix the 8 != 7 bug
deep cedar
hey guys quick question do we ever use coup in subtrafuge?
novel socket
is the sim updated with the belt nerfs and buffs ?
because charged bolts is still a big dps increase for me
mighty pivot
against which belt? It should be updated
novel socket
i was expecting normal belt or critical chain/ charged crystal to be the new bis
not charged bolts to stay the same
because of the nerf
vivid vessel
did they fix the 8 != 7 bug
What does this mean
mighty pivot
"we have wax whistle at home" about half the damage but arcane and 2ppm instead of 1.5ppm
novel socket
"we have wax whistle at home" about half the damage but arcane and 2ppm instead ...
but can you apply it to both weapons ?
unlike wax
mighty pivot
they will fix that in midnight 
torpid fiber
What does this mean
am i stupid as fuck and missed it
the bug where if you go from 6 to 8 you don't get lucky coin
mighty pivot
I used nightly and it seemed up to date FYI
mighty pivot
eek-ly indeed
novel socket
let me see on latest
glass mortar
Well that would probably be why it doesn't work
No reason to ever use weekly setting
Should be nightly or latest
mighty pivot
using weekly is self grief ye
novel socket
really ?
glass mortar
Yes
mighty pivot
nightly is the middle ground
glass mortar
And if that's ever the case u can swap to nightly till it's fixed
glass mortar
Link the sims?
glass mortar
What's the matter
glass mortar
Charged bolt is only 0.4% ahead
Or w.e yea crystal
I'm on mobile it's tricky to read
mighty pivot
also charged crystal is dogshit because it breaks whenever if feels like it
novel socket
and thought its charged bolt
mighty pivot
so crit might be the play
glass mortar
So ud pick one of the 0.4% ones or just use a normal belt
mighty pivot
since charged bolt also griefs 
mighty pivot
yuge
zealous plinth
mighty pivot
it broke for zac without dying (or he lied)
but also it's not clear what unbreaks it again once it breaks
they should've added a transmitter-like mini game to repair it when it breaks
daring oxide
I think its going to be kinda mellowed out by playing Supercharger, and ofc the 5 buff roll talent too, but we just get 5 buffs a lot less often, but still more than compared to first tier
mighty pivot
wdym by 5 buff roll talent? sleight of hand?
daring oxide
yes
SOH
we get more CDR from tier set
well after the KS nerf, maybe a bit less but double coup helps
mighty pivot
it honestly feels better with loaded dice compared to SoH
vivid vessel
Uh
mighty pivot
SoH by itself feels weak, it was the tier bonus carrying
vivid vessel
We are never using sleight vurai
It's so bad compared to tier set
Loaded dice value is infinite
proven ocean
Im not talking about st
daring oxide
yeah i guess
proven ocean
Im talking about m+
daring oxide
I haven't played again with LD yet on PTR but was still talented in SOH
it did feel a bit ass
vivid vessel
Yes
gaunt phoenix
is M+ testing today
proven ocean
is M+ testing today
Yesterday
gaunt phoenix
oop
proven ocean
I think its going to be kinda mellowed out by playing Supercharger, and ofc the ...
I don’t think the “less often” is real because 5 buffs is pretty much inexistent rn, you’ll never roll 5 buffs at all anymore its like DF
gaunt phoenix
7% chance for a 5 buff will feel pretty wack
fallow hinge
rip 5 roll
proven ocean
7% chance for a 5 buff will feel pretty wack
It does feel alot less than that, is that with loaded dice or what
mighty pivot
even if SoH was buffed to 30% I don't see it being good enough to compete with LD. It would be 48%/42.5%/9.5% in that case
fallow hinge
Remember waiting at the start of keys in bfa until you got a 5 roll?
gaunt phoenix
It does feel alot less than that, is that with loaded dice or what
That's with sleight
it's 2% with ld
daring oxide
hmm
proven ocean
Yea u dont play sleight anyway
proven ocean
But idk i refuse to believe sleight is bad
daring oxide
since u still gain some value spamming RTB due to SC
proven ocean
I think sleight is good but i need to test it first
fallow hinge
But idk i refuse to believe sleight is bad
that's unconventional for you, surely?
proven ocean
Loaded dice is completely dogshit btw
daring oxide
but i dont think im right either
proven ocean
i think SOH might still have value
No ur right
mighty pivot
LD is very good for the base roll chances
daring oxide
nah i dont think so
proven ocean
Whats SoH chances again?
daring oxide
cos needs sims to prove it
proven ocean
To roll 2 buffs
vivid vessel
is M+ testing today
Only the new dungeon
gaunt phoenix
sleight gives you 58% one buff, 35% two buff, 7% five buff
proven ocean
Ngl thats more than enough for it to win over loaded dicee
gaunt phoenix
idkk
proven ocean
Almost 50%
gaunt phoenix
we'll see
proven ocean
Earlier
vivid vessel
Sleight is complete and utter dog
daring oxide
aye but we could sim again with the new tier set, since that directly buffs cdr
proven ocean
In st maybe different
vivid vessel
You roll almost as often with loaded dice
proven ocean
I dont think sleight is bad in aoe zac
daring oxide
what if they revert the SOH nerfs?
daring oxide
to compensate for when we dont have SOH tier
proven ocean
7% is honestly good zac
proven ocean
Why would i be memeing idk why ur bringing that up
daring oxide
ok sorry was just checking 😛
fallow hinge
Zeross has never memed once in his life
proven ocean
Obviously im not mentioning the 7% solely
fallow hinge
115% srs
proven ocean
The 2 buff is quite big already
Loaded dice kinda brings 2 buffs once and its rng
U may get a bad one or a good one
mighty pivot
how is SoH not rng then
proven ocean
I haven’t tested it anyway but with er bug in place i doubt loaded dice is any better in m+ ngl
proven ocean
Zac
mighty pivot
6 out of 10 rolls you still 1-buff with SoH
proven ocean
It's not even 1/10 of your rolls
58%
Of bad rolls
Rest are all good
You can proc a good buff with er bug often
Idk why u all are looking at the 7% as if im picking it for the 5 buff
fallow hinge
can't you still get LD basically every reroll?
fallow hinge
100% chance for 2 rolls vs nearly 60% chance of 1 roll 
red zinc
bro
fallow hinge
is 2 > 1 zac?
vivid vessel
@proven ocean you can just sim it rn by removing tier
fallow hinge
ask your teacher that you had a crush on
gaunt phoenix
the apl for sleight but no tier is probably not right
proven ocean
ask your teacher that you had a crush on
Stop being annoying as fuck when ur literally clueless about rogue all the time
fallow hinge
yup, that's me down to a T tbh
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> you can just sim it rn by removing tier
U cant sim er bug
Besides u can also re proc er bug with nightelf aswell
proven ocean
yup, that's me down to a T tbh
vivid vessel
Besides u can also re proc er bug with nightelf aswell
What
proven ocean
Dumbass hunter green io
vivid vessel
What does this even mewn
proven ocean
Well
fallow hinge
my io isn't green :c
gaunt phoenix
Dumbass hunter green io
toxic
fallow hinge
I'm like 1 key away from 3k
proven ocean
Nightelf u can atk alot of things in the new dungeon and meld right after
vivid vessel
Nightelf u can atk alot of things in the new dungeon and meld right after
Sure
But you remove your meld
So
proven ocean
How so
vivid vessel
I can do that with vanish as well
Well you put meld on cd?
If anything it's better to do that with vanihs
Than meld
proven ocean
Idk if vanish makes it worth tho, meld can fail
vivid vessel
That's you who says that
The people who play meld
Like wox and mewo
Say they can proc it always
Vanish is way lower cd so
It would make sense to do that with vanish
If you are farming cdr for whatever reason
Which I think you greatly overestimate bte
But you also did that in df
deep cedar
is charged crystal still bugged?
vivid vessel
Ye
mighty pivot
i guess we will need [nochanneling] macros to queue things properly next season?
covert kestrel
oh we no clip ww boiz now
vivid vessel
Uh
proven ocean
Say they can proc it always
Its way different on sin rogue and i dont think thats true at all
Literally last time i saw wox he failed the meld but that was 1 month ago ish
Besides if it procced always we’ll see alot of more nightelfs playing outlaw
vivid vessel
Its way different on sin rogue and i dont think thats true at all
I'm talking about outlaw what
vivid vessel
Besides if it procced always we’ll see alot of more nightelfs playing outlaw
Ngihtelf is useless in raid
I would never go nelf
proven ocean
Well zac u have things that prevent u drom stealthing
From*
Its annoying once u play it
proven ocean
No i mean trash
red zinc
3% Crit is kinda 3% grp damage right
i imagine its slightly less but
proven ocean
Its not as reliable as they’re claiming it to be
red zinc
ye its dumb
proven ocean
Thats extrmely cooked ngl
vivid vessel
ye its dumb
Blizzard does this everytime they have an event. Btw
Idk why
They refuse to make it not work in dungeons
vivid vessel
No
It is
We had the same question back with the Christmas event or whatever
With the vers thing
And blizz response toward these was that they want these buffs to be used in all the game
So it's intended
subtle field
if you pull in adds on a boss do you just wanna use a normal OH, and not the hallowfall one?
proven ocean
This new dungeon is cringe
obsidian walrus
Ok I im sure that this was talked here but why was KS nerfed I mean the cd
Is that something we asked or it’s just blizz things
mighty pivot
both
obsidian walrus
I guess there is a lot more tuning to be done but I don’t have faith in blizz
proven ocean
why
Lots of things i dislike already
Its cool on outlaw tho but for sin not even close
dense bolt
mobs tping and shit
proven ocean
U lose mark 24/7 on one of the bosses
Its cringe
Idk how they designed those trash packs but the puddle spawning mob is total cringe fiesta, it hits harder than +20 puddles
On a fuckin +12
vivid vessel
U lose mark 24/7 on one of the bosses
ye heard ofthat
fallow hinge
it's a 3 boss dungeon right
proven ocean
So not rly a big deal
dark fractal
Charged Crystal is still bugged?
proven ocean
I think the biggest issue is mobs tping, puddles taking 50% of ur hp with feint and 40% vers
fallow hinge
good job it's ptr then so they have some time to tune the damage down a bit
proven ocean
They rarely fix those things
fallow hinge
solid 50/50 on whether or not they do
proven ocean
They are rly specific
fallow hinge
but they have time to notice and correct at least
proven ocean
I doubt that ngl
proven ocean
Its a melee issue, spec issue
Those 2 they always like to ignore
I know they’ll atleast make the puddles despawn
Cuz they last forever
fallow hinge
seems like a really good dungeon pool overall, minus dawnbreaker tbh.
interesting that we have so many 3 boss dungeons though
fallow hinge
DB, Ara, Al'dani, Priory all 3 bosses
vivid vessel
I think the biggest issue is mobs tping, puddles taking 50% of ur hp with feint ...
arent you supposed to not stay in puddles
how do they work
proven ocean
arent you supposed to not stay in puddles
Zac they’re hard to see kinda
Abit annoying
The dungeon is too bright
Might be inky black pot angle
proven ocean
I’d say lighter than HoV
fallow hinge
fuck
proven ocean
Very very bright in some areas you’ll feel ur eyes burning abit
fallow hinge
definitely an inky pot angle for me then, I legit can't play hov without it
hollow rampart
charged bolt seems ok? Unless I am missing something, 10 FG
You just miss the fact: that you won't have it's damage once you die
gaunt phoenix
that's charged crystal, but it uses the name charged bolt in details
gaunt phoenix
Crystal is good but it seems to bug out and stop working
vivid vessel
Zac they’re hard to see kinda
i see
hollow rampart
Crystal is good but it seems to bug out and stop working
even in raid it did stop working after death skip 
prob gonna go for crit now.
hollow rampart
whole rest of dung / raid for me
dark fractal
well that cringe af then
novel socket
it's so weird
ikr
hollow rampart
didn't try swapping to another effect and back to crystal tho
novel socket
i got confused
hollow rampart
(in raid)
novel socket
i thought charged bolts was simming very high post nerf
but it was charged crystal
which monkey thought of those descriptions
dark fractal
i thought charged bolts was simming very high post nerf
ahah charged bolts was what we used before nerf
novel socket
ye
rigid basin
Indie devs 🙂
fallow hinge
multi dollar company
tidal sequoia
U sure?
sullen walrus
where i can get set items in ptr? and how to reset my options?
toxic umbra
so fwiw
my charged crystals stopped working mid raid
i got them working again by unequipping and requipping the belt
but that doesnt really help for m+
civic zephyr
so are we not using charged crystal?
i dont have a 684 belt, i could craft a 681 if thats a better alternative? or do i just stick to the vers buff 1
vale warren
Sim yourself to see if the stat ones outsim a crafted belt
Does charged crystal work correctly in raid
sullen walrus
How to copy my options from retail to ptr?
hollow rampart
Does charged crystal work correctly in raid
as long as u don't die
vale warren
Crit buff it is then
proven ocean
@vivid vessel btw my dps improved by 700k ish while losing a raid buff from the time u saw me
fathom whale
Haste/vers Crafted belt sim’s better for me than vers/crit proc delve belt. Feels good to not use fun items
vivid vessel
when you say it stop work it's for the end of dung?
For the end of the day if you don't notice
Then you login the next day
And it still doesn't work
hybrid crown
The proc per minute is lower than it should be I don't think it was fixed
proper bear
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Class packs:
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- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
hybrid crown
Wowhead guide has one
zinc heart
is it accurate thought gally weap is no good for m +
grave wyvern
is there any reason why capo is mostly mentioned beeing in the offhand?
in m+ i would assume that having capo on main hand and swapping between the Cudge and some other 1H between packs and bosses would be better?
fallen falcon
hi guys wich belt is better for outlaw?
rigid basin
Sim yo self, bolts is ass, crystal is buggy. I'm just sticking to myth belt personally
Crit/vers proc May sim as a gain
fallen falcon
ok thank you
dark fractal
gg
charged crystal didn"t procced in whole dungeon
go delete this shit belt
trash game
strong halo
Did they change belt? How did it go from op to worst than a 665 belt in my sims
sudden fulcrum
you might be simming only charged bolts, which was heavily nerfed
drowsy sierra
im simming 23k more with the 694 belt
strong halo
you might be simming only charged bolts, which was heavily nerfed
Oh wooops didn’t see it got nerfed. What’s the new best one for m+?
sudden fulcrum
sim (properly, with all the modules) + 
drowsy sierra
how to select all modules in sim?
sudden fulcrum
drowsy sierra
thanks
fervent garden
new KS icon is lit
rigid basin
Facts
subtle field
if you softcap outlaw, wouldnt you have to nerf us in some way? I feel like we already do pretty good overall dmg. or am I tripping?
late swallow
yeah
if you soft cap, you'd have to tune outlaw down by one hundred gorillion percent
it's just the way it is
vivid vessel
if you softcap outlaw, wouldnt you have to nerf us in some way? I feel like we a...
Rn? Maybe
But also outlaw isn't even capable to do bigger pulls rn
Like if I look at my routes
I'm never above target cap
Sooo
Idk?
stuck light
hey sorry for asking kinda a pepega question but is there a tldr guide on outlaw? just tried outlaw first time since bfa and have no idea what im doing
stuck light
my brain is too much for 20 pages guide on wowhead
sudden fulcrum
i don't think wowhead has 20 pages
keen belfry
hey sorry for asking kinda a pepega question but is there a tldr guide on outlaw...
Not really? There’s a lot to consider
rigid basin
Even if they had to tune it being uncapped would be nice. I do wonder how it'd feel if only a part of the kit was uncapped like KS 
vivid vessel
Yeee
stuck light
yea sorry my brain is still living in bfa
vivid vessel
Feel like ks could go back to the aoe thinng
stuck light
when outlaw is just bte spam...
subtle field
I'm never above target cap
idk I find that doing 12 mil in big packs is pretty nice. but yeah you might be right. Just feel like at the end of the dungeon we are quite high on dmg. but I only play in phys comp so maybe I dont know what im talking about
subtle field
I just dont feel crazy weak
vivid vessel
Phys comp is buffing you by 15% +
Wo
So
That's like
More than any spec in the game can benefit in any comp
subtle field
well yeah but you wouldnt really be playing outlaw in a magic comp
vivid vessel
Yes
subtle field
But i also dont know how much the weapon helps and the mast trinket
vivid vessel
Which is kinda what I'm saying
Is outlaw mega op
Or are raid buff
Mega silly in m+
Cause wtf
rigid basin
Just wait til they make the guns do fire dam instead of phys lmaoooo
subtle field
yeah, well I play decent key size and so i mostly just play full phys comp and I just startred noticing im fucking blasting
vivid vessel
But i also dont know how much the weapon helps and the mast trinket
It doesn't
Weapon is like +1% overall
Trinkets are trash
rigid basin
Speaking of trinkets some of the ones next tier are neat
subtle field
have seen someone say it might not be worth to use yet. not sure though, I just use it
rigid basin
Esp how the onslaught trinket doesn't detract for main target damage
subtle field
I can get buffed by 15%???
so do we need softcap?
vivid vessel
but no
rigid basin
I mean itd be cool to be more flexible ig
vivid vessel
The bigger you can pull
You have to pull rather
And like
Outlaw is just capped
Sometimes it matters
Sometimes it doesn't
subtle field
yeah ofc that makes sense, but we have 15% buff so wouldnt that kinda make it fair?
vivid vessel
This season we are tuned high enough that it doesn't
And pc helps a lot cimenting us in our low target cleave niche
vivid vessel
yeah ofc that makes sense, but we have 15% buff so wouldnt that kinda make it fa...
I guess Idk
If you put me in the meta comp rn
Instead of the mage
I think I get mega gapped
subtle field
oh yeah
vivid vessel
Cause dk does my damage while not being buffed
subtle field
for sure
vivid vessel
I guess they have pi
But ye
It's hard to say idk
Raid buffs in m+ are weird
Very weird
subtle field
just sucks that there arent that many playing phys comp
subtle field
like all I see is dh tanks XD
vivid vessel
With an off meta being playable at same level
It's cool
Like you have the god comp
And the phys comps
That are multiplels
subtle field
you feel soo strong with full one
vivid vessel
And we do the same keys as these people do so
It's nice
If anything our comp might even be better idk
subtle field
And we do the same keys as these people do so
yeah its baller.
subtle field
If anything our comp might even be better idk
yeah rn im just tearing through these dungeons. phys comp is awesome, just wish more played it
keen belfry
I hope next season we have prot war mistweaver as meta
subtle field
give me brew meta
keen belfry
Brew meta is hard cause no one plays brew
rigid basin
Heard the MW tiersets are relatively weaker than the other healers? (This was last week tho)
lucid sandal
Is the belt out this week?
keen belfry
And I don’t think people would just reroll to brew
subtle field
yeah but if its good ppl will play
rigid basin
Fotm brews would be incredibly awful to play with tbh
covert kestrel
Fotm brews would be incredibly awful to play with tbh
rigid basin
LMAO
Playing bad brew then never voting to abandon keys would be a whole new level of inting
dawn talon
And I don’t think people would just reroll to brew
monk and rogue are generally pretty reroll resistant
rigid basin
Hi os
rigid basin
Outlaw works if you cross your eyes a bit
keen belfry
Yeah I would love a meta where outlaw is meta meta cause outlaw rerollers would be so funny
But that’ll never happen
Ain’t no way the mass pop is picking law
rigid basin
Yeah I would love a meta where outlaw is meta meta cause outlaw rerollers would ...
Don't worry they got one button rotation now
vivid vessel
Yeah I would love a meta where outlaw is meta meta cause outlaw rerollers would ...
its meta rn
keen belfry
U know what i mean cuh
keen belfry
I wouldn’t say it’s meta it legit got into the break the meta challenge
I would say it’s very good though
vivid vessel
I wouldn’t say it’s meta it legit got into the break the meta challenge
ye but
That's just popularity
Before it did damage
rigid basin
Is any part of the phys comp in btm? I think MM isnt
vivid vessel
I was saying I wanted to be meta kinda like mm is meta
Or assa
As in they are off meta
But on god you get one in your comp
You are happy
It's fine
vivid vessel
Is any part of the phys comp in btm? I think MM isnt
Ye like outlaw feral kekw
Brew
No resto sham tho which is very weird
No enah either
rigid basin
No shaman at all I thought
rigid basin
No resto sham tho which is very weird
I feel like I haven't seen that many tho
proven ocean
@vivid vessel
enh is insanely op
scuffed run i dc'ed on boss and tank dc when i had rtb
vivid vessel
not bad
dawn talon
xiaochaomeng mentioned
dawn talon
my goat
proven ocean
pure st btw
strong halo
is static charge simming best for most people too?
vivid vessel
i can do that on live with goated rng
vivid vessel
what
dawn talon
i heard ppl dooming about ecodome for melee
is it rly that bad or are people just whining
red zinc
2.9 with that gear is not very high what
late swallow
enhance tuning seams really good
red zinc
is there gear scaling?
vivid vessel
what
proven ocean
theres nothing to press wrong on st
rigid basin
late swallow
mom and dad are fighting again 
covert kestrel
vivid vessel
I'm not saying you are bad
proven ocean
ur pretending like ur the only player that plays outlaw
vivid vessel
But maybe outlaw is shit you know
strong halo
theres nothing to press wrong on st
you havent seen me play then
vivid vessel
I didn't say that at all
proven ocean
thats the normal st of every class
vivid vessel
But ok
proven ocean
in ptr
late swallow
guys please stop this senseless bickering
proven ocean
cringe ngl
rigid basin
guys please stop this senseless bickering
No let them, it's keeping me busy from work xd
proven ocean
can't wait to see you do way less than that
vivid vessel
bro
red zinc
ross just bad on ptr he lost to me on ptr also
vivid vessel
im so confused rn
red zinc
ptr cursed
strong halo
ur pretending like ur never gonna do 2.9m on ptr
think you extrapolated more than what zac actually said but i aint getting involved
covert kestrel
ross going schitzo mode on ptr numbers, a time honored classic
proven ocean
idk whats ur point on 2.9m being low zac cuz everyone is doing around 3m st on ptr
red zinc
is there ilvl scaling
strong halo
Think what zac is implying is that if 2.9M is possible on live then PTR should be higher
vivid vessel
idk whats ur point on 2.9m being low zac cuz everyone is doing around 3m st on p...
idk i just meant it seems low to me
i didnt say you played bad
maybe outlaw is shit
red zinc
late swallow
ross frantically searching through zac's logs rn
https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-impossible-perhaps-the-archives-are-incomplete-gif-14446354
proven ocean
no im not
red zinc
like they scale ilvl on ptr sometimes
red zinc
which would explain both 3m st and enh being broken still
proven ocean
unlike live
u can get fuccked by rolls
i was running x2 on use trinkets tho
both 45k-55k agi
covert kestrel
zac ptr wen
covert kestrel
ngl im gonna miss the pride icons when june is over, most of these are bangers
red zinc
i dont think its as bad as u guys think
havent done the math but
vivid vessel
one is only 2.7 but its swamp i cant even ks on cd
red zinc
I think the on use (if it decays linearly) equates to the same main stat as a random trinket would give baseline
proven ocean
yes but u have adds to BF
that one was pure st and has downtime
and im using a trinket that i went to boss with 0 stacks
im not sure im following on ur argument zac because thats literally 1 fight btw
proven ocean
idk what trinket to run
vivid vessel
yes but u have adds to BF
i cant ks at all on swampface
red zinc
unless they fixed the number already i genuinely think its good
vivid vessel
to have adds
so
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mz1N6qPdx9fcgbFR?fight=51&type=damage-done&pull=14&target=77 here our cinder 21 last boss
late swallow
almost 2.8 on last boss
vivid vessel
Which I also can't ks on cd
late swallow
zac you're so goated
late swallow
prolly the best outlaw fr
fringe sorrel
My outlaw dam is trash.. I don't think i like it as much as assa
covert kestrel
zac needs to ptr so we can really know what to think
red zinc
outlaw bad
proven ocean
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mz1N6qPdx9fcgbFR?fight=51&type=damage-done&...
stop linking bosses with adds
red zinc
dont sim
lime lake
gaunt phoenix
dont think that one has adds
proven ocean
?
gaunt phoenix
?!
proven ocean
u pull entire on top of it
vivid vessel
we pull 3 adds
proven ocean
entire pack*
gaunt phoenix
in that link bf is 0.6% of dmg
vivid vessel
its 3
proven ocean
brb key
rigid basin
LMAO
keen belfry
2.3/2.8 on live rn
2.3 as minimum seems a lil high no cuh?
vivid vessel
it can go lower but thats on weird bosses
if i just take a normal boss i think tahts about what it does
no?
keen belfry
in dungy
vivid vessel
without weird ass shit
keen belfry
yeah
keen belfry
yeah i think above 2mil is minimum in that case
2.3 still requires very very good play
hollow rampart
Because no ww monk in group 
vivid vessel
zac wont do 2.9m on ptr tonight guys
I wasn't saying you are bad tho
Just that maybe outlaw does 0 st
proven ocean
old double coup bug was 5% with the giga tier set
or someshit
this tier set fucks u hard
its rly bad compared to other classes
vivid vessel
Hm
gaunt phoenix
i was trying to implement the 2pc in simc and it seems pretty minimal
gaunt phoenix
i guess because KS charges are consumed first
vivid vessel
How tf do you SS more
proven ocean
KS is worse than u think now zac
vivid vessel
I already can't ss
Like it doesn't work
We have 10 diff builder's
And I need to press the only one I don't wanna be pressing
It's weird
keen belfry
yeah i find myself having to choose to press PS even with BF is off cd in order to not lose those stacks
feels fine but weird
covert kestrel
no more deft ??
keen belfry
deft so good
gaunt phoenix
yep
vivid vessel
I think it should auto consume
gaunt phoenix
maybe ps should consume it
vivid vessel
The ks ones at least
And ps should consume it
Like ub shouldn't exist basically
To me it should be
keen belfry
maybe ps should consume it
ps consume UB?
gaunt phoenix
yer
vivid vessel
Ks proc 2 ub as in create and consume them
keen belfry
that would be chill
covert kestrel
ps consume UB?
UB = unseen bullets
gaunt phoenix
put a blade on the bullet
keen belfry
forcing SS seems weird but something i do A LOT
vivid vessel
And eb should stack to like 8
upbeat tundra
@proven ocean this tank is cooked
vivid vessel
I don't like how trickster SS plays
wintry solar
deft so good
Wanna hear something?
vivid vessel
I think it was cool to figure out all the little bullshit at first
But in the end
It just doesn't work at all
Even on live
keen belfry
xalaths feet moiisturizer hates deft
keen belfry
Wanna hear something?
mhm
wintry solar
No I love deft
vivid vessel
Just cause trickster forces you to SS too much
And I don't wanna
I have other shit to oress
keen belfry
Like even on live I do weird shit Perma
i feel like there needs be a way to track tier, like i found myself pressing SS at 3 stacks on ptr incase i got a UB reset
just guesisng
stiff glade
I've been guessing A LOT
gaunt phoenix
as HO i still feel pretty chill
stiff glade
Probably not good, but I can't not
keen belfry
as HO i still feel pretty chill
cuz ambush good button?
gaunt phoenix
yeah
keen belfry
ye that makes sense
you kind ajust do ur rotation as HO and get your UBs as you should
gaunt phoenix
you will probably break the finisher rule to ambush at 5cp
if it would lead into a coup
keen belfry
sounds right
what if like
2pc just gave us 2 UBs every 20s instead of 1
would that be bad
probably way less UBs
so bad nvm
gaunt phoenix
uhhhhhhh
vivid vessel
i feel like there needs be a way to track tier, like i found myself pressing SS ...
I do that a lot even on live , and I hate it
vivid vessel
uhhhhhhh
Say Im building, I have 3 and the cd is like 15 s in
I have a ub almost guaranteed
gaunt phoenix
2pc just gave us 2 UBs every 20s instead of 1
that would mean, when auto attacks reset the proc, it would also give 2s UBs
vivid vessel
It just doesn't show on the weak aura
gaunt phoenix
which i think would be a lot better than current 2pc
better as in dps, gameplay idk
keen belfry
i agree solo
vivid vessel
This whole shit should just auto consume idk
So it's actually passive
Instead of this random ass half passive thing
You can track
But need to track
Cause it's not passive
Such a failed design again.
keen belfry
zac using periods hes serious rn
vivid vessel
So easy to fix but they won't
vivid vessel
zac using periods hes serious rn
Phone did it
gaunt phoenix
lmao
vivid vessel
I need to test it in keys so bad ..
keen belfry
and better tier
keen belfry
no inv?
vivid vessel
I'm forced to gain io..
keen belfry
why does my brewmaster have 4 characters in title so hes never on his brew so i can never play the game
zac u should see NA LFG rn
covert kestrel
I have to time 22 ml
regain free will
covert kestrel
why does my brewmaster have 4 characters in title so hes never on his brew so i ...
holy sweater
keen belfry
i will list a 20FG and get 10 apps max
surreal flower
10 apps and 3 of them will be 630 characters who thought it said +2 instead of +20
prisma vessel
is offhand as a dagger still a thing?
sharp hinge
does the KS update come out in s3?
gaunt phoenix
yes and yes
prisma vessel
cool
high shard
As HO, do u sit on a 5 roll for its full duration or does the same 10 second rule in KiR apply to HO aswell?
gaunt phoenix
Both builds sit on a 5
KIR's 10 second thing is if you will lose 3-4 buffs, not will lose 5
rigid basin
10 apps and 3 of them will be 630 characters who thought it said +2 instead of +...
They're just believers
keen belfry
tehre are more than 111 people in the outlaw disc yet only 111 people saw my dfc on youtube
explain?
vivid vessel
Did you see I left a comment ?
keen belfry
ty4comment!