outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye doubling the cd is wild or

i mean

[glass mortar]

wild without more stuff planned

[vivid vessel]

its ok if trickster wasnt a thing

i wouldnt care

but trickster

is a thing

so

wtf do you do about that

[glass mortar]

ability is nonexistent without trickster and these changes

[sullen narwhal]

It's really bad

[abstract frost]

Go fatebound

[glass mortar]

doubt it can even sim as a dps gain for fatebound anymore

[fluid meadow]

they want balance coup procc with this cd increase?

[mighty pivot]

still random targets

[glass mortar]

takes too long, u do it too infrequently, it has zero interactionsd

[sullen narwhal]

They basically wiped away all the good changes they did to this ability with a single bad change

[glass mortar]

eh

not really

still better to play then live

just nerfed sadly

[gaunt phoenix]

the dev killed my dog

[sullen narwhal]

uuh, yes, 3 min is really bad

[glass mortar]

u cast it half as often

doesnt change that it no longer kills u

[sullen narwhal]

That's a pretty big deal indeed

[glass mortar]

y r we losing our heads

[lime lake]

because its joever

[glass mortar]

most people in here probably dont even like casting it cause ur afk for 4s

[abstract frost]

Only my bad mechanics kill me now

[old gull]

But hey it’s a cute icon tho

[glass mortar]

this is annoying because it hurts trickster alot

but if they compensate somehow

🤷

[pliant wave]

3min cd ks? They dont read zac's feesback?

[abstract frost]

They uncap outlaw. Solved

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

[rancid portal]

This

[crisp canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/vipe-vipeio-reroll-vrm-click-gif-15731446971792394713

[surreal flower]

Think realz mentioned last week they may change the 2 pc

Maybe that fixes it

[glass mortar]

need to give more unseen blade gen from non kspree sources

[abstract frost]

They should increase the damage of all abilities, but cap us to three targets

Thoughts?

[glass mortar]

true defcon panic mode is when next week rolls around and the only change to compensate is they double the unseen stack generation of kspree

[crisp canopy]

might as well just delete the spec at that point

[glass mortar]

without understanding why the whole loop was ever even an issue

then i will accept they r truly out of touch

this is just a silly thing to release without some notes about more plans tho cause its just a nerf

[abstract frost]

They saw yodah at Boralus target dummies for 3 hours straight on ptr

[craggy barn]

guys

[glass mortar]

too late vault too late

[craggy barn]

huge prediction

[abstract frost]

Saw him doing 9mil

[craggy barn]

HUGE prediction

[glass mortar]

it even has speed

[craggy barn]

outlaw will be giga meta

next season

[abstract frost]

Deserved nerf

[craggy barn]

outlaw will be so good

everyone wil be playing it

[abstract frost]

Make Outlaw D tier Again 🔥

[mighty pivot]

if it isn't a wowhead error then it's weird that they only increased the MH scaling component

[craggy barn]

nah it will be goated

i have evidence

[restive obsidian]

Longer cast time means it's scaled more by haste at least

[glass mortar]

thats a very optimistic way to look at that

considering at any haste level u could have it still takes longer to cast

[red zinc]

damage is worse than current with 30 ilvls more

banger

[outer dove]

[craggy barn]

why cope?

theres evidence

!!

[fossil mountain]

Assas xpac all 3 seasons let’s fuckin go!

[craggy barn]

nah sin cant do the thing outlaw can

nor can sub

[outer dove]

Evidence on 2nd iteration of a ptr cycle

[craggy barn]

doesnt need ptr to know the evidence

[outer dove]

So you can see the future huh

Interesting

[craggy barn]

use the past to see the future

dont be blind

the evidence was with us all along

[outer dove]

Past suggests its never the go to raid spec

[craggy barn]

u dont get it

u want my evidence?

it wil convince 100%

[glass mortar]

theres been at least 1 last boss in the last 10 years outlaw was considered being played on and even in for 2-3 pulls

so maybe u should check ur notes

💅

[mighty pivot]

so you can somewhat focus something by facing only that target but good luck doing that in a real setting

[craggy barn]

check this u dumb fuck

HUGE

[glass mortar]

why is last seasons mog a reason we will be bis

[craggy barn]

sin and sub cant do this

[outer dove]

[craggy barn]

in the ethereal themed patch

they have to use shitty daggers

cant mog like this

[glass mortar]

man theres so much cool ethereal shit on ptr

and u go with lame ass last season mog smh

2/7 poor effort troll

good job of carrying it on but the end payoff just wasnt it

we got some sick ass ethereal weapon mogs next tier and im hype

[covert kestrel]

Chat, why does realz hate us

Is it cause someone asked if he was jorkin jt

[mighty pivot]

also what wowhead posted in their datamine article is correct in that they only buffed the MH component of KS. So MH has gotten a 56% buff (*1.25 twice) and OH 25%

[glass mortar]

wait they actually buffed the mh twice?

[red zinc]

they gave niuzao a 5 second cooldown on brew (normally 3 minute cooldown)

[mighty pivot]

live KS is 125% per weapon

[red zinc]

banger

[ocean wraith]

maybe bc yall keep write how bad he is as a dev or that he hates rogue or other stuff

[glass mortar]

thats funny ok so now its a net buff of like 12%

maybe enough to make its dpet match crackshot bte

[mighty pivot]

for twice the CD though

[glass mortar]

well its a net nerf period

im just looking at the raw ability cast

to see if we'd still cancel it

(probably still would xd)

[mighty pivot]

and the random targetting remaining is still cringe

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel guess which class got bladeflurry now too

[prisma vessel]

wtf.

[glass mortar]

who

[red zinc]

ross

they gave brewmaster a knockup every 4 seconds

on accident

banger

[glass mortar]

not the one pictured considering nothing there is really similar to bf at all

[carmine verge]

ayo, 100% CD increase on KS

[gaunt phoenix]

I just sat on the dummy for 12 min and it doesn't even feel that bad

you have a bit more freedom to align vanish with double coups

3 min is maybe a little too much tho

[glass mortar]

the panic at this is a lil crazy i understand it feels bad because cool new toy and now we cast it half as often after 1 week

[light patio]

Is there a haste benchmark we shoot for in raiding? or does it not matter since we're playing HO?

I know we are looking for 19% in M+ w/ the KIR build

[glass mortar]

the only real panic is that this is a significant nerf to trickster with no apparent compensation tho

[craggy barn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[haughty wigeon]

Hemlo

[haughty wigeon]

I mean

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean trickster getting tuned down doesn't really "mean anything" in the end

[craggy barn]

can someone add the new ks icon as a badge

🙂

[haughty wigeon]

Numbers will be adjusted accordingly

[craggy barn]

i want the gat solo

[glass mortar]

ya exactly

[haughty wigeon]

It also means your not spamming ks

[glass mortar]

to be clear i wasnt panicing

[haughty wigeon]

Every 20 less seconds

[glass mortar]

it was everyone else being unhinged

i thot it was silly

[haughty wigeon]

Oh

I missed the fun

Cause work

Sadge

[atomic bolt]

so, put back on mythic belts if we have good ones eh? lol

[glass mortar]

yeup

[haughty wigeon]

But ya this should put its cd inline with other melees that uses casts

[atomic bolt]

I took one the week before the new belt came out, on accident, glad I did

lol

[fair topaz]

how does fatebound feel with the new set on ptr? did it change feeling wise?

[haughty wigeon]

We just need the channel lowered and it’s good

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound tier is really cool and really good

[light patio]

TY, yeah my sims are all pointing me towards crit, and im around 14% haste

[proper veldt]

They probably thought KS gives 7 cp, AR gives 7 cp, they must be same cooldown

[hearty flare]

killing spree bugged

atleast mine is

[glass mortar]

they wont line up still cause of trickster cdr

id have tried a 2m cd first to check the flow personally but

[haughty wigeon]

I mean that’s fine I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont think ks should be 3 minutes but I also don't think it feels that bad

you still have AR uptime flowing out of your ass

[red zinc]

bull herder brewmaster is crazy

[haughty wigeon]

Having it castable every 20 seconds was cringe

[haughty wigeon]

People dislike t$9/

For some reason :)

[thorny reef]

20 secs more like 10-12 secs

[stuck patrol]

Doesn't KS having double the CD just basically gut trickster? LMAO

[red zinc]

t$9/?

[thorny reef]

the dmg was buffed on ks

so no it doesnt gut trickster

[glass mortar]

idk about gut but it is a significant tuning yes

how often r u getting coups solo

im more worred about no other source of blades to make up for the cd nerf

[stuck patrol]

??? Less flawless form uptime, means less st, significantly less AOE

[glass mortar]

last i calculated it kspree was responsible for something like 60%+ of our blade generation

[thorny reef]

still doesnt gut it

[gaunt phoenix]

umm i had 36 coups in 10.5 min

[glass mortar]

3.6 a minute ish

wait was that with tier

doubling ur total coups

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[glass mortar]

ah

so 1.6 a minute that is

significantly lower without tier

i guess we will be designed around tier sets as always anyway tho

[gaunt phoenix]

ok but we have tier

[stuck patrol]

Use KS with adr and see how little blade procs and uptime you get lol

[glass mortar]

ya

[sullen wyvern]

ks 3 mins now

[haughty moat]

1,8 but okay^^

[sullen wyvern]

Thats gigasad

[outer void]

isn't 'only hits mobs infront' really awkward if they are slightly spread out? blade flurrying the middle one to hit as much as you can but then having to change to an outside mob to aim inwards? what was wrong with it being pbaoe ?

[glass mortar]

i mean does it matter as long as its hitting 1 mob and ur in bf range of the rest itll cleave them

it looked kinda cool to twist around and shoot tho

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry is still around your character

[thorny reef]

lets not freak out over some tuning that isnt even locked in

[outer void]

it would because then its blade flurry from you on the outside of the circle

[thorny reef]

they will realize that it wont be good and revert it im sure

[stuck patrol]

I'm not freaking out, I'm just saying it's a bad change

[glass mortar]

wdym

ur position doesnt matter as long as ur centering urself to BF the mobs u want to

[keen belfry]

the cd # feels genuinely good, my issue is still the button press feels so mid, the dmg profile of it, i cant tell if we are now getting less or more ubs compared to live? i really like how mayn UBs we get on live

[glass mortar]

who cares what its shooting

clearly not blizzard

arguably u have more control over it like this then u did the random all directions one

[gaunt phoenix]

Saying it will gut trickster is kneejerky cause it doesn't

unless you choose to play without the tier set

[glass mortar]

since with a big boss mob u could try to put ur back to the pack so u only shoot it

[outer void]

yeah i understand why its nicer now, ty

[stuck patrol]

I guess me using the word "gut" is a bit extreme

But it's def a nerf I would say

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[glass mortar]

a retuning

[stuck patrol]

IDK how the tier set will change things though

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe trickster should eat a nerf

[glass mortar]

when its ptr stuffs its all retuning

[sullen wyvern]

how much of a nerf the KS increased cd is?

[glass mortar]

should trickster eat a nerf tho

[stuck patrol]

Fatebound is just so boring lmao

[glass mortar]

buff fatebound instead

is outlaw op on live

[red zinc]

are we sure that a bird didnt accidentally release this ptr patch

[glass mortar]

if we are considering relative strength to all specs in the game

i dont think trickster or law warrents any power reductions rn

the problem is relative strength between trickster and fatebound

[stuck patrol]

We don't know tierset numbers yet

[glass mortar]

sure

[mighty pivot]

the slow on KS is still there btw despite its absence in the tooltip

[stuck patrol]

There's a slow?

[mighty pivot]

20% during channel

[glass mortar]

yea it reduces ur run speed by 20%

[stuck patrol]

LMAO why

[keen belfry]

its not noticeable dw

not really worthy of a complaint

[stuck patrol]

Monk and surv hunter channel cones don't reduce movement speed

[glass mortar]

because this ability must have a downside to its use, its hardcoded into the game engine clearly

[stuck patrol]

There's literally no reason for it, it's just dumb

[glass mortar]

if there was no downside to pressing kspree then the AH would stop working

[wintry solar]

Their movement speed also isn't as fast as ours

[glass mortar]

idk its w/e. flavor i guess

its hard to shoot rapidly except when we do it all the other times

[keen belfry]

we are wiping out a barrage of shots we cannot shoot at full speed we must slow down to aim

[wintry solar]

That's dumb

[stuck patrol]

Bruh why y'all trying to rationalize something that clearly doesn't have to exist

[wintry solar]

Try again

[stuck patrol]

Lmfao

[glass mortar]

sending two sets of fth shots is unironically faster shooting then this but w/e

[craggy barn]

anyone test the ks front change thing

[glass mortar]

listen if they are dedicated to making this spell have a negative aspect

[keen belfry]

i feel like guy rn

[mighty pivot]

so compared to the previous iteration it's gotten: double the CD (2.7min base as trickster), +~12.5% damage, frontal only random targeting

[strong halo]

anyone know how to do droptimizer with professions that has embilishments?

[glass mortar]

20% movespeed cost is like the iminimum bullshit

u can even grapple during it

who cares

[keen belfry]

but we are complaining about something that doesnt need a complaint

[wintry solar]

You can barely tell you're slowed anyway

[keen belfry]

OH NO I NOW HAVE 150% MOVEMENET SPEED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[primal wadi]

that is the essence of the average WoW PLAYER

[keen belfry]

yes and those 2

[stuck patrol]

I care because there's no reason for it

[wintry solar]

OH MY GOD WHAT A PREDICAMENT

[stuck patrol]

It's just stupid

[keen belfry]

are the goats of it

[glass mortar]

if u need the 20% movespeed to dodge a bad thing ur wiffing 90% of ur kspree anyway probable because its a melee range shot basically

so might as well cancel

idk

u dont really notice it, its there for flavor, apparently blizzard is dedicated to this spell having some negative mod on it

[craggy barn]

i cant tell what really changed with ks and the wording of enemies in front

[glass mortar]

🤷

theres better battles to fight

[sullen wyvern]

I guess they wanted to incrase KS cooldown to 3 mins cuz how our new tierset is gonna work and give us more CdG overall right?

[craggy barn]

i assume it just requires a target now

[stuck patrol]

Y'all so weird man, clearly I'll live with the change, it's just stupid! That's all!

[glass mortar]

sure

[wintry solar]

I don't think you will

[glass mortar]

blizzard does lots of stupid things, i dont think anyone in this convo has told u its not stupid

[mighty pivot]

it doesn't

[glass mortar]

just not big enough to care about

[craggy barn]

oh yea just checked that

yea idk what the "front" part means

u can turn around and it still hits

[mighty pivot]

it only hits things in front of you

[glass mortar]

it shoots random enemies in front of u instead of random enemies in an 8 yard circle around u now

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message

[craggy barn]

u sure i just checked that earlier

[stuck patrol]

Doesn't mean I can't not call something they do stupid

[craggy barn]

and i turned around and it kept hitting

[keen belfry]

if it buffed your MS for no reason you wouldnt care, yet theres still no reason for that

so you dont care theres no reason to it, you care its a "nerf" to your ms

[craggy barn]

oh nvm im dumb

ignore me

[primal wadi]

Seems like it, but still seems undeserved

[glass mortar]

well old kspree snapshotted ur position relative to targets on cast so

[mighty pivot]

it does the animation but does 0 damage

[glass mortar]

what i would test is if u cast it with ur back to the targets can it hit them

[mighty pivot]

which is weird

[glass mortar]

if u turn around can it then hit them

[vivid vessel]

why does it do that

[glass mortar]

my guess is probably no

[wintry solar]

I think the slow should be more to enable more skill expression. Weed out the fake outlaws

[vivid vessel]

you still cant use it for prio damage ?

[glass mortar]

🤷

[craggy barn]

solo

[vivid vessel]

so its like

[craggy barn]

wheres our new ks icon badge

[vivid vessel]

a half fix

[craggy barn]

[vivid vessel]

that doesnt fix it

[glass mortar]

well zac u might be able to. if u have like a boss mob, and u can stand on it and turn ur back to the other mobs

all the shots should go on the boss guy

but yea idk

this isnt how u fix the prio issue

[restive obsidian]

20% move speed loss for

No killing spree random death
No dungeon DC
No ability fails to work
Can't be parried ?
No more camera warping

[stuck patrol]

Is this a joke because you literally said you don't even notice it LMAO

[vivid vessel]

brother

imagine a pack

how tf

am i

doing that

its silly

[glass mortar]

no i know in most situations it isnt

[vivid vessel]

its like a half fix

that doesnt fix anything

im so confused

[wintry solar]

I did say that and I'm serious.

[primal wadi]

20% still is mostly unnoticeable, I would guess is more so the animation doesn't seem as goofy, but is my take

[vivid vessel]

it remove the fun animation going everywhere

while not fixing shit

so

[keen belfry]

sounds like a dub to me

[vivid vessel]

whats the point

[glass mortar]

idk the point tbh

[stuck patrol]

Yeah it's better but it's still dumb, that's all I'm saying and people acting like I'm saying it's ruining the ability

[keen belfry]

we must use our complaints wisely blicky shot conoossuero

[glass mortar]

i mean what i just said the thingy of prio damage on raid bosses is probably easier to pull off right

but in dungeons it doesnt help at all

[sullen wyvern]

Yeah I mean, we are also gonna lose our 17% to 5 roll, that's gonna affect the flow of our rotation. Im not gonna doom for now

[restive obsidian]

Look, I've just learned to deal with there has to be some jank for outlaw.

Otherwise the plebs play it

[stuck patrol]

If you think that requires skill expression IDK why to say man

[mighty pivot]

if you have nothing in front it does this which I hope is not intentional/final

[vivid vessel]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-rogue-changes-feedback/2120193/3

[wintry solar]

If it only shoots in front, maybe it'll stop from shoving the gun through my face.

[vivid vessel]

thats funny

just hits nothing

i mean idm

[mighty pivot]

yes

[glass mortar]

Summary:

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.

[stuck patrol]

I would have just complained once and let it go, but then people made a big deal out of me complaining about it for no reason

[vivid vessel]

idc

[craggy barn]

ok new tier set doesnt look bad on forsaken

mythic color kinda meh tho

[wintry solar]

Undead

[glass mortar]

if u start ur spree like this then turn around

[wintry solar]

Not forsaken

[glass mortar]

will it start hitting stuff

[keen belfry]

cuz u complained about it for no reason, the same complaint u have with us

[glass mortar]

or is this ability still snapshotting ur cast position relative to its target

[keen belfry]

we must use our complaints on the true issue

ks does no dmg

[mighty pivot]

it updates each tick yes you can turn around

[keen belfry]

and takes too lonng

and requires you to stop its channel

and no sc it

[wintry solar]

What's the new icon

[mighty pivot]

12.5% extra damage for double the CD is no bueno ye

plus it shoots whatever

[restive obsidian]

Just grapple during it. I haven't tried the new version but that's easy way to make sure not snapshotting

[stuck patrol]

If a mod wants me to limit my speech then they can, otherwise I will complain about what I want to complain about lmao

[glass mortar]

ok do we actually care about the damage tho

u guys realize this ability is never gunna be sech tech

[wintry solar]

Not rn

[glass mortar]

unless they reduce all ur profile elsewhere

it needs to do enough damage that we dont cancel it

thats about it

[craggy barn]

? i am forsaken

[stuck patrol]

The damage doesn't matter it's the interaction with trickster that makes it good atm

[primal wadi]

for real, it feels like im shooting a nerf gun. If they wanted to increase the cooldown of KS idk why did blizz not increased the damage

[wintry solar]

No, you're undead.

[gaunt phoenix]

@glass mortar i lied, it was 60 coups in 10.5 min actually

[craggy barn]

no im forsaken

[wintry solar]

NO

[glass mortar]

so 3 coups per minute natty base

[craggy barn]

yes

[keen belfry]

compared to live?

[wintry solar]

YOURE UNDEAD

[glass mortar]

not too bad

[craggy barn]

FORSAKEN

[wintry solar]

UNDEAD

[craggy barn]

FORESKIN

[glass mortar]

still think a 2 or 2.5m cd would vibe with it more

[wintry solar]

UNDD

[glass mortar]

idk its a cool new animation

im a little sad they decided to go this way

[gaunt phoenix]

funny i had two 10.5 min pulls and both of them were 60 coups

[craggy barn]

anyways

[restive obsidian]

Just make it 1 minute unaffected by restless blades.

Makes it like mfd

[stuck patrol]

I agree with this.

[craggy barn]

looks good

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/southpark-i-thought-thiswas-america-american-freedom-gif-3537641

[wintry solar]

Sick

[stuck patrol]

Otherwise they need to increase blade procs

[mighty pivot]

the interaction is getting nerfed compared to live though

[gaunt phoenix]

Live is 15.7 coups in 5 min

[keen belfry]

i agree and disagree, tbh i dont want to press this button (IN ITS CURRENT STATE) more often than what i was just doing on ptr

[craggy barn]

the wrap not being a helm thing really helps

[glass mortar]

well yea it shouldnt have a 25% longer cast time who asked for that

[craggy barn]

unlike s2 tier set

[wintry solar]

Which tint is that

[stuck patrol]

In what way?

[keen belfry]

i would fully endorse a lower cd if it felt al little better to press (obviously)

[craggy barn]

heroic tint

[wintry solar]

Nice

[craggy barn]

mythic

i like hero more

[sullen wyvern]

We are also not gonna be resetting cds as much as before since new tier set doesnt have the enhanced rolls thing so, idk man

[mighty pivot]

you use it less often so you proc Disorienting Strikes less

[craggy barn]

oh shit normal is goated too

[keen belfry]

but atm it feels like a gross button to press that give u good benefeits. gross is better than deadly, but make it not gross pelase

[glass mortar]

i think we have more cdr on ptr then live tho

[craggy barn]

rf isnt bad

[gaunt phoenix]

if you played the ptr for 10 minutes you will see AR uptime is still 94%

[glass mortar]

cause the tier sets r pretty damn good, both of em

altho 2set trickster could leave or stay idc

[sullen wyvern]

do we have more CdG in ptr or live?

[glass mortar]

its kinda a cringe variance way to give more unseens

[wintry solar]

For trickster?

[glass mortar]

id rather have more reliable/expected gen

[stuck patrol]

Yeah I know, that's why I'm saying they need to up hidden blade procs to compensate for the increased cd

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[wintry solar]

Cool

[primal wadi]

totally it feels more like im pressing a buff rather than a damaging ability

[timber knoll]

With latest changes are we dooming or blooming guys

[glass mortar]

ooming

[wintry solar]

A secret 3rd thing

[timber knoll]

Cooming?

[wintry solar]

A secret 3rd thing that's not good

[glass mortar]

i mean its not exciting

[stuck patrol]

Well of course adr uptime would't really be effected, what's effected is flawless form uptime

[wintry solar]

Frankly I don't feel one way or the other.

[glass mortar]

a few of the major pain points werent touched, they doubled the cd without compensating trickster

[stuck patrol]

Which effects finisher damage and blade flurry damage

[glass mortar]

could be tier is tuned high enough that trickster doesnt need compensation

well if ur coup generation is still only slightly lower then live then ur flawless form uptime should be fine

double coup is alot of flawless form stacks isnt it

[stuck patrol]

It's more stacks after coup, but less uptime overall

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel

OMG

NEW KILLINSGP[REE

IS AMAZING

[stuck patrol]

It also reduced the spreading of blade debuff which also reduces blade flurry damage more

[proven ocean]

OGMOGMGOMGOMGOGM

NO WAY

[frank bane]

LOL

[proven ocean]

STREAMING NOW

IF ANYONE WANNA WATCH

BRB

[glass mortar]

more stacks after coup and less overall could be a net damage buff if u can source the stacks to crackshot windows

[proven ocean]

NEW ICON TOO

[wintry solar]

@craggy barn does the KS animation still shove the gun through your face on Undead?

[craggy barn]

uh

[glass mortar]

way less aoe fazed is a bit sad yea, but i thought bf damage didnt benifit from fazed?

maybe it does and i was misled

[stuck patrol]

Outlaw damage is pretty flat, I'm not sure if it will average to be better or worse

[wintry solar]

If you noticed it

[craggy barn]

cant say it does

idk

[primal wadi]

the kurt cobain expereience

[wintry solar]

That's what they were saying

That's why it's called killing spree

[royal bane]

man, there's a guy arguing that losing Ks is a survivability loss because it staggers damage in the feedback thread

[stuck patrol]

Mass murder suicide spree

[glass mortar]

yea the forums r filled with all kinds

[gaunt phoenix]

bro is cracked out

[glass mortar]

just dont engage with the crazies or they will pollute ur thread and make it so real feedback gets drowned out

just remember the poor hunters when blizz took away mms pet

for a ptr cycle

[wintry solar]

Poor things. Only time I felt bad for them.

[craggy barn]

theres some very funny comments

[wintry solar]

They can suck it every other time

[proven ocean]

dude

[craggy barn]

and out of touch

[proven ocean]

omgomgogm

[primal wadi]

damage that could had been avoided entirely lol, sometimes I feel they play a totally different game

[proven ocean]

why isnt it sending

omg its sending alot

omg

ok

look

it generates cp

and

its amazing

brb

[wintry solar]

Internet Explorer over here

[stuck patrol]

Does anyone have a clear picture of the new icon?

[proven ocean]

new spell id

for coup

wtf?

[stuck patrol]

Spicy

[royal bane]

@stuck patrol

[hoary wave]

NICE

[proven ocean]

or maybe not

idk

but ye

KS is amazing

[wintry solar]

Mid

[jolly geyser]

[wintry solar]

I kid

It's nice

[glass mortar]

custom icon pack to make this the icon

[stuck patrol]

Time to never play the new killing spree because fatebound will end up being better

[royal bane]

idk how to say it but it looks old in a good way

[jolly geyser]

would be nice

[glass mortar]

fatebound needs some real help to compete in aoe

[primal wadi]

that would be ironic lol

[glass mortar]

especially with a ghostly strike themed tier set

ho is gunna lose CtO to play pc

[ancient socket]

How does KS feel now that it's a 3 min cd

[red zinc]

No clue what happened to outlaw ive just been laughing my ass off about brewmaster for the last hour

[glass mortar]

i don wanna

[red zinc]

how do they even make this mistake

[royal bane]

let trickster be the good choice in m+ so we get to keep 1h tricks

[pliant wind]

so longer cooldown, longer channeling as the previous one, you move slower and u can miss some shots, perfect for rogue

intended

[red zinc]

talent that is supposed to be a proc + 60s cd reduction, instead it reduces the cd by 60s every time it procs

[stuck patrol]

1h tricks is god tier utility

Esp when your tank is kind of dumb

[craggy barn]

its great bc u can face check a lot of packs now

[primal wadi]

Task Failed Succesfully

[craggy barn]

without having to remember to press it

[royal bane]

I wish it gets put in the class tree so we're not penalized if fb gets ahead

[stuck patrol]

Sin killing spree???

[wintry solar]

I don't. Assa and Sub don't need anymore of our shit

Especially sub

[craggy barn]

what if they removed UHUH from outlaw bc its cringe and leads us down this giga uptime gameplay loop
and then gave it to sub

[wintry solar]

I'd believe it

Sub is "what if Outlaw had a burst"

[ancient socket]

Outlaw shouldn't have energy issues change my mind

[wintry solar]

This guy

[proven ocean]

guys

killingspree generates combopoints now

holy shit

[primal wadi]

sub is "What if your opener was relevant" lol

[rigid basin]

Looks like brew is bis confirmed

xd

[red zinc]

i mean its clearly not intended

[rigid basin]

I know was jokes

[red zinc]

aoe knockup every 4s is funny though

[wintry solar]

You will either have infinite energy or no energy and you will LOVE IT

[rigid basin]

Yeah that's gotta be intended idk

[ancient socket]

Oh I've made peace with the ship I sail on

[wintry solar]

I haven't.

[rigid basin]

Welcome to the RNG spec baby

[primal wadi]

Rngesus take the wheel

[rigid basin]

This guy gets it

[ancient socket]

I started playing Outlaw in SL, never left

[wintry solar]

Can we really blame rng this time?

[primal wadi]

nah, but they don't know that

[rigid basin]

Wait hold up that's a crazy name

[frank bane]

magic bullet ❤️

[rigid basin]

I got a gif for you

[ancient socket]

I mean, I think your RtB buffs matter a lot more than they used to

[rigid basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766349238941777931/1294179081151189036/lmfao.gif

This you?

[wintry solar]

04 and I wear it like a badge of honor. If the badge of honor was a bad back.

[strong halo]

can u add embelishments to droptimizer?

[glass mortar]

I mean I'm all in on delete fatal flourish

Why is 40% of our energy budget rng man idk

Energy budget rng is just sometimes for no reason at all I cannot play the game

U can make it punish u for misplay without ff imo

[ancient socket]

Outlaw doesn't have energy issues if you go Thistle Tea route

[frank finch]

were are the law ptr streams

wtf is zac doing

[glass mortar]

Sure because that's overcapping u on energy so bad it's awful

I mean ho can play it but it ain't great

[wintry solar]

Bad knees. My back is fine.

[primal wadi]

more like arthritis, the apm gets worse with every expansion

[wintry solar]

Well

It just be that way sometimes

I like low and high apm outlaw because I like outlaw in general

:)

[gaunt phoenix]

11.2 PTR part 2 June 24 notes

Remember you can post feedback on the forums such as here.

⚠️ Use Loaded Dice instead of Sleight of Hand on PTR.

Killing Spree now only strikes enemies in front of you and it’s cooldown has been increased to 3 minutes (was 1.5 minutes).

• Understandable they increased KS cooldown, though 3 minutes is a lot
• Does let you start holding Vanish more for other things like Double Coup instead of constantly watching KS cooldown
• Looks like KS got an undocumented 12.5% damage increase which perhaps helps it be worth Supercharging and/or not be worth canceling it early
• Trickster is fine- numerical nerf yes but brings Trickster's CDR closer to live servers (after tier)
• It will still randomly hit targets that are "in front" of you which is still lost priority damage, though I guess less of a problem since it's less of your damage
• KIR build will probably still feel like KS is too long as it has less haste than HO

New icon and Fatebound bugfixes are good

[craggy barn]

can we get that icon as a badge tho 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

no !

[delicate seal]

yes!

[mighty pivot]

its damage was increased by 12.5%

[wintry solar]

And its still a nerf

Dang

[lime lake]

nerf this

[gaunt phoenix]

are you sure it wasn't just wowhead picking up something from last week?

[mighty pivot]

the 12.5% was on top of the 25% we had earlier in ptr

[proven ocean]

oh

[mighty pivot]

yes it checks out between live and ptr now

[proven ocean]

realz was reading our conversation from today?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's good

[proven ocean]

me and zac

i told zac double the cd would make it more fun

im glad he went for it

cool change realz

[vivid vessel]

this gyu

[proven ocean]

sorry zac

i know u hated it

[pliant wind]

why im feeling worried as outlaw for the next patch?

more than now?

[vivid vessel]

im glad you have such an influential power over realz zeross

we are in good hands

[proven ocean]

[civic zephyr]

674 ilvl - this bad for rookery 13?

[wintry solar]

Because you read nerf

[pliant wind]

yes

[wintry solar]

And it gave you bad feelies

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[civic zephyr]

dang, idk why i suck at this class

[proven ocean]

ah iwas talking to weran

not zac

[vivid vessel]

realz litteraly said he would do that

[hollow temple]

674ilvl and 684 MH? Boost?

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk i wanted to doom but i played ptr for 10 minutes and it's just not

[vivid vessel]

last week

[proven ocean]

did he? i didnt read that

[civic zephyr]

yes, this rogue is 5 days old

[red zinc]

ye

[wintry solar]

He did say he wanted it to be pressed less

[proven ocean]

well

ig we both had the same idea somehow

[torpid fiber]

It's hard

[vivid vessel]

its the easiest 'fix"?

so

[bright crane]

Ross we gonna see some gameplay or wha

[vivid vessel]

ross is washed up ..

[civic zephyr]

any recommendations to learn this class better?

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

this weekend

ptr keys ?

double outlaw ?

[pliant wind]

we killed ourselves a lot during KS? yes, now we just take a walk and gunpowder shit around during 3s

bumbumbumbumbumbubm PLOMF HEADSHOT

[torpid fiber]

Legit it's just practice and reading and understanding the rotation unfortunately

[wintry solar]

I ran follower dungeons to get a better feel for it but I kept killing things too fast

[gaunt phoenix]

kinda funny they fixed 2 fatebound bugs i didn't know existed

[torpid fiber]

there's no cheats you just have to put the hours in once to have outlaw click and then it's kinda clicked forever ime

[civic zephyr]

ok, well ty

[torpid fiber]

yeah I wish I could be more helpful

[fathom whale]

Killing Spree now only strikes enemies in front of you and its cooldown has been increased to 3 minutes (was 1.5 minutes).

???? 3 mins

[proven ocean]

ye

[torpid fiber]

But the difficulty is mostly playing well at a fast enough speed and there's no easy solve for that

[pliant wind]

we are gonna need FB outlaw and TRICKSTAH outlaw to deal the same dmg as we do now

KEKW

[torpid fiber]

1.5 vanishes, it's probably fine

[pliant wind]

(jk btw)

[fathom whale]

Yeah tbh on the ptr I was blasting this off cd so quickly

[proven ocean]

bro

like

my obs is bugged

nono

[pliant wind]

try a shotgun

[proven ocean]

its fixed now

u can watch now

[pliant wind]

instead a gun

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

we had r1 ML

by 30s

21

last boss bugged and we lost 30s from deaths tho

but still r2

[wintry solar]

Wasn't it only 1.5 minutes because of trickster or am I tripping?

[proven ocean]

how did u have r1 ML that was r2 when u finished @vivid vessel

[gaunt phoenix]

it became 1.5m cooldown when it became a finisher

[wintry solar]

Oh okay

Ty

[proven ocean]

oh im glad they disabled citrine ring

[primal wadi]

why?

[proven ocean]

cringe to make things that are insanely tuned based on a specific season to be good in another season

[wintry solar]

Have you that that

Maybe

Just maybe

YOU'RE cringe?

[eager rose]

let's be honest, with the icon change and total change of what the skill does, wouldn't it have been better to have given it a completely new skill and kept Kspree in the drawer?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

I mean, atp it's an entirely new ability

Why it kept the name is beyond me

[eager rose]

need to change the name

unstoppable shots

or pistols

[proven ocean]

i think its very good as it is now

looks super nice

rename it maybe

should be renamed imo

and then its legit perfect

its name is actually fine

idk

[edgy phoenix]

ross u streaming m+ testing?

[proven ocean]

ye

click on my profile

outlaw PoV

looking for tank atm

[primal wadi]

Maybe because the ability design in itself is really old and therefore not worth keeping

[edgy phoenix]

what keys u did

or is t his first

really curious about this heading to twitch tho thanks

[worldly shale]

Eyy dks onto something

lets make a protest too!

[eager rose]

i totally understand that and agree, but they could have just removed kspree and put in a new skill instead of doing a "rework" on the skill, you know?

[rich cliff]

Not quote the same is it

[worldly shale]

#outlawNOTaChannel

[primal wadi]

but since the ability is tied to the hero talent it seems to be less of a hassle to just rework it instead of having to code all the interactions again. At least as a dev with limited time that seems to be the best option

[gaunt phoenix]

damn

[keen belfry]

!atrophicpoisondoesitworkspreadsheet

whats the command

[silver sluice]

wait, did they buff ks again though? or was it already 196% from last ptr?

i know about the CD increase

[mighty pivot]

extra buff on top of previous

[outer void]

There are more unholy dk logs on gallywix than every rogue spec combined

[silver sluice]

nice nice, ok

[outer void]

What do they want a raid buff for

[torpid fiber]

I don't think we have anything to protest anymore

[keen belfry]

!atrophicpoisondoesitworkspreadsheet

[ripe ibex]

grips are a raid buff

[worldly shale]

When u get something, u want more
Its called greed or something idk

[torpid fiber]

I think DK having a raid buff makes sense from a game consistency standpoint idk I think they should get one probably but also LMAO organised dk discord protest

[primal wadi]

amz is a raid buff tho

[worldly shale]

They norfed no?

[keen belfry]

its back to being good

[lime lake]

they removed the cap

[ripe ibex]

it’s a buff for raid

[torpid fiber]

Yeah I think AMZ is going to basically be their raid buff now to some extent

[worldly shale]

Shhh, dont say outlaw is good
That will make them ruin it

Is losing adr during rp making anyone else mald tho?

Or is it a me problem

I always try to time cd around rp XD

And it makes me mad

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes if you roll a 2 buff that is not resource related like RP+GM

[torpid fiber]

I assumed they meant role play not ruthless

[gaunt phoenix]

oop

[red zinc]

[worldly shale]

yes roleplay

[primal wadi]

roll for iniciative

[quiet swallow]

i always pixel stack on whatever mob is in the centermost of the pull with this change to ks only hitting mobs in front of us do i just whiff unseen blade application unless i run out and target the outermost mob now?

[gaunt phoenix]

its still a single target hit that blade flurries

like you dont need to shotgun it onto the pack

[quiet swallow]

okay nvm then

makes sense

[gusty moon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[royal bane]

With 4p and sleight of hands, what exactly are the % chance to roll 1, 2 or 5 buffs please ?

[gaunt phoenix]

18% 1 buff, 65% 2 buff, 17% 5 buff

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-cat-gif-26041269

[royal bane]

alright ty !

[glass mortar]

i personally think sleight will be infinitly more unpleasant to play, even if it is numerically strong enough, once we take off this 4set

[vivid vessel]

ytep

[pliant wave]

I think zac makes nerf outlaw. Darkflame overall 6.9M is amazing

[glass mortar]

basically always having 2 buffs (just like with old loaded dice outlaw) does a ton of heavy lifting

for spam rolling for a 5 buff

rolling thru 1 buffs is just awful

[hybrid crown]

the set bonuses give us some wiggle room with ADR though

[vivid vessel]

peep the floodgate tho

[royal bane]

I don't know the exact math, but I like that new supercharger rewards rolling dice even if it's a bad roll

[glass mortar]

in a way that u never feel tho

[royal bane]

By new I mean I just started playing with, ig it's not that new

[glass mortar]

idk u just feel urself slowly and steadily falling behind the adr uptime game as u get 1 buff after 1 buff. its not very fun compared to just always having 2 buffs

the odds r not very hot looking with just sleight

tier set did a lot of heavy lifting

[royal bane]

Probably, I saw some ideas to make mastery buff rtb odds, could be fun to implement to counter that

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw is break the meta legal btw

[glass mortar]

nah that would be a disaster. just have awful rolls for whole seasons or until u gear up? and then mastery would probably have a hard cap or something very weird like that

we wanna feel our stats less at this point not more xd

this haste thing has got to go

please for the love of god

12.0 outlaw no haste tax

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

if u cant do it well dont do it at all and just give up let us stack versa forever

[royal bane]

The thing I really dislike about haste is how it gatekeep kir. I would like to try some keys as kir but I just don't have enough haste and it feels bad

[glass mortar]

they can do it well tho if u look at WW they just didnt

i mean for kir its just the most lazy interaction with a secondary

it is pure secondary budget tax

plays like shit without it, numbers r terrible and its strength is absurd, then as soon as u have that 19% its value falls off the face of the earth

so all ur gearing for the rest of the expac is rotating flexible stats to try to maintain this exact amount

this is wotlk era stat design idk

how it got greenlit

and its forcing u to alocate 30-20% of ur budget to this stat while still making it so lust and PI and other haste amps r worthless for u

and we dont need to be a pi spec u know

our damage profile alone keeps that away from us

but u dont also need to double down and make it so in the case u somehow get it it just gives u zero damage

xd

[royal bane]

Outlaw always feels a bit stuck in the past to me, having weird stats cap, swapping weapons mid dungeon to optimize dps, just killing spree in general, feels old to me

[late swallow]

With this weeks PTR patch notes going out, without even an acknowledgement of our feedback about Death Grip being non viable as a raid buff, and their justification for the removal of Abomination Limb making us worse, while treating it like its a buff has gone too far. They aren't listening to us, so we need to make them listen.

Anyone who believes what's going on right now is an absolute injustice to Death Knights in general, i implore you, take to whatever social media platform you prefer with the hashtag #GripIsNOTaRaidBuff, and keep doing so until they respond.

For Unholy folks done with everything going on with Unholy and their ignorance of our feedback as well, you can throw in #DeleteWounds.

i DO NOT want to see is any disrespect to anyone, no threats, no ne of that AT ALL. If i see it, you WILL be banned from this community. Our goal is to get them to hear us, nothing more.

[thorn osprey]

hey is there a sim for full crafted gear and mplus trinkets bis ?

[glass mortar]

have u seen the meme version of this going around

[thorn osprey]

im intrested what peaces i should craft with what stats i just came back to the game so fastest way is just to full craft gear

[glass mortar]

ive been resisting the temptation to post it in here all day

xd

[royal bane]

you have to sim your char with raidbot to know

[late swallow]

Omg no please share

DM if it’s tos or

[glass mortar]

i would but solos gunna get mad at me

u can have the dm discord friend

[late swallow]

Just dm me bro

[glass mortar]

🥰

[late swallow]

[thorn osprey]

@royal bane my char is naked thats why im intrested is there a sim like that whats bis if full crafted just dungeon trinkets

[vivid vessel]

put on some clothes

be decent

[glass mortar]

this is how true players sim

target dummies, no gear on

5 minutes in and out

😠

[hybrid crown]

in general weapon first, then an item that can take elemental focusing lens or the vers lining embellishment
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/outlaw/bis-gear#crafted-gear

[red zinc]

Send me

[royal bane]

If you're just starting out and can craft a weapon just craft a vers haste weapon with embelish like eric said I would say

[thorn osprey]

Yea that i understand but for all peaces

since there is certain caps outlaw needs to reach there has to be a sim for all peaces

[glass mortar]

unless u have a carry to mythic mugzee a weapon haste vers should 100% be ur first craft

[hybrid crown]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass mortar]

then a piece of haste vers jewlery probably

embelled

[royal bane]

Idk I just craft vers haste, play and farm the next craft and sim accordingly

[hybrid crown]

you dont gear up by instantly getting all your gear at once

you gear up one item at a time lol

[royal bane]

You'll balance your stat eventually

don't bother too much with it

[thorn osprey]

i mean im here for push and ill get all peaces in a day or two

[glass mortar]

really the only thing u r in a rush to obtain is the haste cap

gameplay improves so much with it

but if u play HO builds u only need 10-15%

2 pieces of jewlery crafted can do ya

[thorn osprey]

and simming every peace is alot of work i thout there is a sim like that allready

[hybrid crown]

vers > haste to 19% > crit (there is no fourth stat)

[royal bane]

you can cheat a bit with haste flask to help also

[glass mortar]

other then that its just ilvl + highest versa u can get in each slot

ur first rush is to get 4set

the current builds use it very heavily

without it u cant play sleight

or you shouldnt anyway

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel outlaw st is super crazy btw

3.1m dps

pure st

lmao

[vivid vessel]

thats nice

but

you had like 6 mil overall

[glass mortar]

u have 8 cata charges at this point so u can turn champ track into tier if u cant get hero to drop

[chilly atlas]

zac does 8 mil

[vivid vessel]

isnt that super low ?

[proven ocean]

if u prestack this to 15

[vivid vessel]

for 710 ilvl

[proven ocean]

nah

i was

[vivid vessel]

whats up with that

[proven ocean]

fixing stuff mid run

details scuffed alot

[vivid vessel]

can you open details rn

im watching

[proven ocean]

ye i was fixing stuff

first key zac

[vivid vessel]

yeye

[proven ocean]

wait

[vivid vessel]

jsut open

[glass mortar]

3.1m in dungeon PC builds without raid buffs is what like

3.5m sims

more

doesnt seem like itd be crazy low

[vivid vessel]

I mean 3.1 is kinda expected tbf

[proven ocean]

its rly fucked

ngl

[vivid vessel]

on live outlaw is at 2.5/2.8

[proven ocean]

idk if its fixed now

[glass mortar]

ya

[proven ocean]

but zac btw

[vivid vessel]

i have ads

ross

one sec

[proven ocean]

i think outlaw feels nerfed abit

compared to live that is

[vivid vessel]

open details

[glass mortar]

i mean i dont think 3.1 is low for law to be clear i just dont know what other specs dungeon boss dps is looking like

to compare to this number

[proven ocean]

i fucking reseted

no man

fuck me

i wanted to check trinket dmg

[vivid vessel]

ah well

do you have a log

or

[proven ocean]

@abstract frost can u send my dmg breakdown

mortiz with us

he can send

[high shell]

I'm new to outlaw and need some help. Just looking at some logs to gain extra info. I feel like Im missing something. Where do the combo points for these two BTE casts come from?

[proven ocean]

btw zac

[vivid vessel]

ace procs

[proven ocean]

this dungeon is the worst melee dungeon i played in a rly long time

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

worst one by a mile

not even kidding

mobs teleport

24/7

[vivid vessel]

ye i saw

you can stop the cast tho

[high shell]

thanks :]

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt recast

[proven ocean]

idk i feel lost rn with this dung and super high ms

is bad

on outlaw

[mighty pivot]

btw not that it matters much but the slow on KS is 25% instead of 20% as they stated. This was already the case since last PTR's build (simc's spelldata dump already had it as 25). Potentially a bug if they wanted 20%

[proven ocean]

my ghostly strike is sending after my gcd

[abstract frost]

@proven ocean

[proven ocean]

dmg breakdown i mean

my dmg breakdown

[abstract frost]

kk

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[abstract frost]

the second boss is unplayable as sin

[high shell]

The BTE procs Ace and then they cast Dispatch. Where do the combo points come from after dispatch to cast BTE again?

[vivid vessel]

I guess ks damage is kinda the same on live isn't it

[abstract frost]

you randomly lose mark

[glass mortar]

crackshot

[vivid vessel]

Crackshot

Read the talents haha

[glass mortar]

logs read the dispatch as a cast

[proven ocean]

new killingspree is rly bad ngl

btw

zac

[glass mortar]

u dont ever cast dispatch during a crackshot window

its just the free proc from btes

[vivid vessel]

In what way ross

[high shell]

Oh, I am so dumb. Thanks all haha

[proven ocean]

Killingspree is wasted if u supercharger high cp

[glass mortar]

np

[proven ocean]

u overcap cp

so u have to cancel it

otherwise wasted

[vivid vessel]

Yes that I know

What else you felt

[proven ocean]

idk longer duration wasnt needed imo

uhh

[vivid vessel]

Yes yes

[high shell]

I forgot about the 2nd part of Crackshot casting Dispatch. Thank you everyone.

[vivid vessel]

Okok

[proven ocean]

i need 1 more key and i tell u, but longer cd feels less synergy?

like

[high shell]

All I remembered was the no CD

[proven ocean]

doesnt feel like i have a rotation

anymore

[vivid vessel]

Yes it bricks trickster

[proven ocean]

its different it feels

[vivid vessel]

I'm so good

[glass mortar]

solo said the flow didnt feel as bad as it sounds

[vivid vessel]

Am I not goated weran

[glass mortar]

still getting like ~3 coups a minute

which is 6 with tier

[proven ocean]

zac

[shut lichen]

two rogues in one grp

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

????

[shut lichen]

knew who this was without r3eading the name

[vivid vessel]

Sub

[shut lichen]

xd

[eager rose]

better?

[vivid vessel]

Is so trash

[proven ocean]

zac do i play sub

or outlaw

ngl i wanna outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw

Or sub

[proven ocean]

nah fuck sub

[vivid vessel]

This weekend we play outlaw together ross

[proven ocean]

its legit the same