outlaw

[stiff glade]

I thought they didn't swap targets anymore at all

[jovial dome]

Enhance still does. I don’t think Ele does anymore

[crimson thicket]

Fuck lightning rod

[prisma vapor]

!belt

[stiff glade]

Pins

[vivid vessel]

Wat different than bte tho

Also it's cancer imo

I don't like that type of gameplay at all

[frail veldt]

Yeah its awful

It becomes more of a UI challenge

Of how to not have nameplates be a cluster fuck

[deep cedar]

hey guys is it ok to macro ghostly strike to something?

[frail veldt]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[deep cedar]

thx

[glass mortar]

who is ready

to be spaghetti next season

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871188656357015623/1386937074460131400/image.png?ex=685b854e&is=685a33ce&hm=09da30b8523763919e670a5adeee699c6c7c63d1be695bfe1e6b83a8008a6983&

[jovial dome]

Are we about to solve String Theory?

[hybrid crown]

I like that I called the boss a giant blueberry and like 30 mins later they announced that "Blue Barry" mount lol

[fathom holly]

who is ready to touch black holes

[tribal swan]

vs Keys / latest dgn slice - should i listen?!

[vernal pendant]

In TOP you know when you pull the 1st mob with the boss can you shiv the mob or the boss ?

[vivid vessel]

you need to shiv the mob when he cast

[mighty pivot]

at 701 ilvl using the overrides it sims at like +1% (over pocket ace) for static charge and crit chain which seems more or less what you'd expect. The vers proc for instance averages 3,6 stacks and at 557 vers buffed it's about 2k average. Charged bolts is dumpstered but that's fine. For a belt slot which has low-ish stats that's a fairly ok boost

[gaunt phoenix]

the crit proc is also 2.1 stacks average which is 2k crit

[strong cargo]

But rogue can only do every other, so casts 1-3 or 2-4. Iirc it's better to let the first cast without shiv if you only have rogue for it, cause the 2nd cast will be dangerous so you keep for it

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess it looks marginal because even if you just gained 15 ilvls on your normal belt it is not even 1% dmg

[mighty pivot]

yes a 701 pocket ace is +0,8%. It's just 743 agi and 117 secondaries difference anyway

[barren stream]

No

Technically you can in some 2T scenarios (when you are casting 2 tempests in a row) but ChL applies it to 1st target hit that is not affect by LR

Ele can does it sometimes cuz ele alternate through ST and AoE spenders on AoE, but rarely ppl do it cuz you lose a lot of prio damage

[copper radish]

Do we get an ilvl upgrade for this belt today?

[barren stream]

Blizzard is driving specs away from tab target, it seems, they are doing it to shattering blades frost on ptr rn

[vivid vessel]

thats good

whatever yoyu do plates are dogshit

and spreadinfg dots/debuffs isnt a good experience

wish gs wasnt a debuff man..

[copper radish]

Remember that tier experiment with outlaw getting a dot? I hope they don’t do anything like that in the future lol

Just gimme uncapped flurry lol

[red zinc]

what

the season 2 tier set from df?

[copper radish]

It was one of the DF sets

[red zinc]

that was just a % damage dealt thing didnt have to spread anything

[barren stream]

Yeah it's really annoying, it requires a lot of focus and you are fighting against ui

[ancient echo]

Saw a guide tonight saying NEVER use ambush from stealth. Is that right?

[strong cargo]

If you play KiR build yes

[ancient echo]

hmn. what should my KiR opener be then?

[wooden oriole]

yo guys, question, on AOE do i change weps to the mace or to the dagger? dagger sims better, but does it actually do more?

[red zinc]

mace

you're simming patchwerk on which mace doesnt work

[wooden oriole]

ah, ait, ty!

[vivid vessel]

Normal spells, you don't play differently inside or outside stealth other than changing your finishers to between the eyes

[crimson coral]

What’s better with KIR on trash to open with 0 CP into BF or to open with BTE (BF already active)? or does it matter?

[wooden oriole]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[quiet ore]

Infinite duration DoTs are great. I miss serrated bone spike.

[cedar kernel]

does ptr on?

yet?

[wooden oriole]

does anyone have the swap weapon WA?

[glass mortar]

its in the pins

isnt it? or is it just the macro

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wooden oriole]

only saw the macro

[glass mortar]

oh its just part of zacs WA pack apparently

u can probably steal it from there

i knew it was somewhere in here

[covert kestrel]

0cp bte does nothing so build

[glass mortar]

assuming ur choosing between dumping CP down the drain for cdr to then BF, opening with a full CP Bte would be the best (with bf already up).

[wooden oriole]

ah okey ty

[covert kestrel]

Oh I read as if they are 0cp stealthed before pack, not like slice n dice maxxing

Our spec is so funny

[hybrid crown]

I kinda like the aoe proc

Might just say fuck it and run with that unless the nerf is just really that bad

[vivid vessel]

It's split damage tho..

So bad .

..

[glass mortar]

isnt it still broken

just turns off randomly and we dont know 100% why

[vivid vessel]

yes

never works for me

work once a night when i put it on

the nstop working

while night

[glass mortar]

ugh

[vivid vessel]

never had it work 2 keys in a row

[glass mortar]

i have an embel on my belt

[vivid vessel]

not even lying btw

[glass mortar]

i cant use it anymore unless i recraft

this game is so shit

not to mention i recrafted and re-enchant/gemmed all my shit to work around the loss of haste

[blazing vigil]

Outlaw looking sick with the one button

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

LMAO

[stiff hawk]

He is joking right

[gaunt phoenix]

this makes it look like we failed to determine the answer in time

[jovial dome]

I think he meant sick as in shoot it between the eyes

[craggy quiver]

At least we can dump this belt next patch super quick

[quasi lantern]

Outlaw one Button is giga Fked with gcd pen

[covert kestrel]

Wowhead has it out for us

[keen belfry]

sup guys dps bug abuser awang here

doing some work rn

sorry cant chat

brb

[glass mortar]

probably using supercharged bug irl rn to finish work quicker

[keen belfry]

ty

i havent yet to fdigure out whom

said these words

[mighty pivot]

destro locks too so we don't stand out too much

[copper radish]

lucky vault. helm / shoulder tier to go for mythic track and im done for the season with gear lol

[gaunt phoenix]

[copper radish]

still have 600+ gilded what do i do with them lol

[sudden fulcrum]

my main has well over 1000

[covert kestrel]

Just need priory myth chest

[copper radish]

wish we could traded crests to alts

[copper radish]

i got a mythic haste/verse chest from vault last week was mad hype

[royal bane]

Hello, looking at the bug section of the faq I couldn't find it, but rarely whenever I press Killing spree as Trickster even with full cp I just do 1 slash and it ends, doing little damage. Any reason why ?

[gaunt phoenix]

if there is a nearby mob that is evading/immune

killing spree will instantly cancel itself

[royal bane]

I was in a delve maybe some mobs do that, alright thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

also i think in floodgate there is a root that if you break it with ks it will cancel

[dense bolt]

ye the guy who builds

the stuff

[honest sparrow]

Its the roots from the architect mob they can also root you out of ks when they target you in it

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[keen belfry]

i think thats wrong i may be wrong tho

i think you dodge the root if in ks

i think

[clear zephyr]

Só, what is the new effect on the belt for us to use?

[dawn talon]

yes nailgun doesn't root you if you're already in ks

[keen belfry]

simc wants me still using the absolutely gutted charged bolts

[glossy pewter]

this is such a funny screenshot

[keen belfry]

im going to shoot myself in the right hand

[covert kestrel]

Were not wearing any more belts we just tailored our pants to fit our waist

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think simc has the hotfix yet

[cinder relic]

Idk why they didn't update it

[keen belfry]

looks like im running critical chain

DUDE!

why!

[gaunt phoenix]

Did you see the belt is kinda ass now

[red zinc]

wtf new belt tech

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

the belt would be great with all effects active

[keen belfry]

i have to go to shittering breach to get my critical chain

[mighty pivot]

it takes 2 minutes at tier 1

[keen belfry]

shittering breach

[stiff glade]

Looks solid tbh

[covert kestrel]

You have to go to skittering breach anyway since you have to farm bugs to abuse

[keen belfry]

wait niceee

[mighty pivot]

[hybrid crown]

It's a 10 sign up and set 4 DPS as the note

[sudden fulcrum]

wrecking ball comp

[old python]

hey y'all - thoughts on naowh wa for outlaw? it's the only one i've been using for all classes but it's a bit weird cuz i can't see timers for roll the bones buffs, i don't see ANY supercharged prompt and i don't know if it's possible, but i can't tell which buffs are locked in by KIR and which will reroll if i press roll the bones afer

what's the wa y'all using?

[sudden fulcrum]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont know this weakaura but if you cant see rtb timer then that sounds like a problem

zac weakaura the goat !

[old python]

it just turns red when it has like 3 sec remaining or so

[vivid vessel]

Nawoh isnt a rogue player

So

[covert kestrel]

That's the problem with people with packs for every class, no one is actually checking if they are usable

[old python]

hm, fair enough, i'll grab yours zac and see how it fits. Thanks!

[vivid vessel]

Ez + 1 download by shit talking nawoh

Easy money

[old python]

love the community

[covert kestrel]

Capitalist pig naowh selling his unoptimized UI vs Chad Zac giving away uwu ui for free

[cinder relic]

Yeah its the same issue I had with the afenar packs

[real yew]

So the raidbots is still not updated with the nerfs on charged bolts?

[cinder relic]

I love how they looked but they are missing a lot of the minor stuff because they dont main rogue. Not that I would expect them to but yeah

[torpid fiber]

Yeah there's a reason I have to mod the luxthos pack whenever I update it, it's gotten better over time but I always want something or other extra

[covert kestrel]

At this point I just go into the spec wago page and pick the first one that isn't a big pack maker and use that one for alts until I figure out what's going on

[torpid fiber]

I like luxthos packs because I have no brain cells so I need huge icons

[lilac olive]

Should i Always send Coup de grace at 6 or 7 cp or not?

[covert kestrel]

Normal finisher rules

[glass mortar]

If you have coup active and ur builder would be ss u can just send it at any cp

Otherwise u build

[gaunt phoenix]

It's an optimization yeah

normal CPs usually but send early if you would otherwise SS

[lilac olive]

So if no opportunity procs or no blade flurry in a pack

i just send it

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[keen belfry]

i sometimes overcap cps (ps at non optimal ps times) to send out max coup

for vibes

[vivid vessel]

Bro a viber

[keen belfry]

i wonder how suboptimal that is

i swear vibe gameplay is better

APL nerds when u waste a combo point or 2

whats the one copy pasta we have

[dawn talon]

u have to go to the monastery in the mountains for connection with the ancestral wow spirits

to play the vibe apl well

is the thing

[covert kestrel]

Hitting ss at 6cp to use the last UB stack for coup

[keen belfry]

i am one with the ancestral spirits of wow

[rapid phoenix]

so with the bug to Charged Crystal is it better to just go critical chain in m+?

[keen belfry]

id assume so yes

whats the apl copy pasta we have

something something idgaf about your variables

[covert kestrel]

Ur mom is a variable

[keen belfry]

yeah but me beating your ass is a constant.

Watch Your Back.

WYB.

[covert kestrel]

[keen belfry]

shadow steps onto you

ok roleplay done

[dawn talon]

chiiiill valeera

[keen belfry]

where?? when are we??

[steel briar]

!craft

[dawn talon]

btw ty for giving me a reason to have a bunch of random hearthstone voicelines downloaded

[covert kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1376329754042564618/caption-1.gif?ex=685bd2b8&is=685a8138&hm=7da08c2fef95e1e5e20fda55242b5555e2f3cee4ed57411a659a970f262a94e9&

@proven ocean would like this one

[rapid phoenix]

got myth track signet in vault, is it bait or do I dinar myth track whistle? if i take signet am I just sending it on cd?

[keen belfry]

would they just fix the vers proc thing if it functioned like mugzee jug, you only gain/lose stack of buff every second instead of cast

we are punished of our apm

[fair oak]

Hello friends, I want to try out some kir in keys instead of ambush build, do I remove ambush from my bars and still slam ss even in stealth? looked at some logs and there is no ambush at all

[keen belfry]

!ss

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

whats the command

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[keen belfry]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[glass mortar]

kir does not touch ambush ever

can remove it from ur bars

[fair oak]

say less

[glass mortar]

or use the macro they are effectively the same

[covert kestrel]

Ambush sux

[fair oak]

thanks

[sullen walrus]

have someone macro for tricks?

[glass mortar]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[sullen walrus]

its mouseover macro?

or i need to click on tank?

[keen belfry]

if tricks was released today would it auto target a tank

[old python]

much better lol

with zac's

thank you

[glass mortar]

its a macro that automatically tricks the tank

[old python]

although aesthetically is a bit off with the rest of my wa, it's really good

[glass mortar]

u dont need to set anything after u have the WA and macro configured

[old python]

smart misdirect weakaura

[glass mortar]

yes

the one i linked

[old python]

oh sorry

i thought u were asking

mb

[glass mortar]

all g

[late oar]

Is it worth running capo's knuckles heroics over a 681 crafted MH?

[quaint delta]

i use 681 MH + H Capo OH

[glass mortar]

Ud put it on ur oh

But no it isn't worth that much ilvl in mh

[old python]

do you have to use capo as OH?

or just because of ilvl?

[last veldt]

maybe dumb question but why is ambush never used in KIR?

[old python]

because it doesn't trigger opportunity

[rapid phoenix]

am i just sending signet on cd or is it better to wait to use it during crackshot windows?

[glass mortar]

Bcause ilvl

[last veldt]

Oh cause no HO, right. Ty

[glass mortar]

On cd is the outlaw way but as long as ur using it smartly u can probably maximize uses and line it up with crackshot windows (we do those fairly often)

Crackshot is only gunna be 6s of the window anyway so. Shouldn't be hard to overlap there

[dawn talon]

if they released it for rogue no

if they gave like deva tricks

yes it'd auto target the tank

bc the spec is made for paste eaters lowk

[quaint delta]

i miss the days of trading tricks with other rogues for the dps boost

that was MOP right

[long barn]

Guys. Does it matter what spec I open Vault with for my odds to get a good outlaw cloak or ring

[covert kestrel]

No only thing that changes is weapons

[quaint sable]

As early as wrath

[rapid phoenix]

dhaturo has a good luxthos edit btw if anyone was looking for WA's

[dense bolt]

any1 wanna do the new dungie on ptr later

[vivid vessel]

Not with you

[real yew]

If I have a CdG active, 2cp or something like thatand have 3 stacks of pistol shot, should I use it to get some more CP's and press CdG or I should use CdG with w/e cp's I have?

[dense bolt]

ban zac

right now

[quaint sable]

build unless ur next builder is ss

[low sinew]

Is Myth track pacemaker a good trinket to pickup with dinars?

currently rnning a hero track mug'zee hotline trinket and a myth track vexie trinket

[covert kestrel]

Sim, but also mug is bad in keys cause it doesn't allow the nightfall weapon to reset

[low sinew]

I dont have the nightfall weapon anyways xD

should probably grab that

[covert kestrel]

Prob

[fossil lintel]

LOL

[tulip quarry]

huh?

[covert kestrel]

Prob pacemaker and Whistle are both pretty close cause trinkets suck this tier

[low sinew]

whistle?

[covert kestrel]

The goons fuck up the nightfall weapons reset on vanish

[covert kestrel]

The dfc trinket, idk the proper name

[low sinew]

ah ok

ill sim both see which comes ut better

[obsidian walrus]

isnt magnet the best ?

[glass mortar]

yea goonsquad is bad in dungeons dont bother with it for anything but raiding.

[low sinew]

i'm only 2/8m

[glass mortar]

magnets good. it doesnt sim as high as vexie or buzzer but i use it over them anyway

all these trinkets r super close so

[covert kestrel]

But how about that grim codex

[glass mortar]

u can pretty much pyf

[covert kestrel]

Grim codex enjoyers unite

[glass mortar]

that one does not spark joy

hmmmm

[old python]

so nightfall weapon is actually worth getting then

[glass mortar]

yes

[old python]

even if i crafted MH?

[tulip quarry]

As for now i'm running Geargrinder and Magnet, dunno what to choose from last Cartel chip :/

[glass mortar]

yes

[inner meadow]

what trinkets we using next season?

[old python]

my god

here i go grinding again then

[glass mortar]

whichever ones end up good after they tune them

it takes 1 play of the event to get the weapon so

its like 10 minutes

[covert kestrel]

Crafted mh + nightfall oh and swap between that and heroic mugzee

For keyz

(Assuming no mythic weapons)

[old python]

no, i don't raid mythic with this toon unfortunately

[glass mortar]

if u have all the good stuff im buying a gally thumb to have for my "top sim" setup that i doubt i will ever wear anywhere

[old python]

waiit which one is for keys

[glass mortar]

dinar was very meh for law

[covert kestrel]

You can swap midkey

[glass mortar]

it is what it is

[covert kestrel]

So you use nightfall for packs, mugzee for bosses

[old python]

no fucking way

[glass mortar]

yea

[old python]

really?

jesus

okay

[glass mortar]

optimal thing is weapon swapping rn

[covert kestrel]

Ye we have a macro

[glass mortar]

its in the pins about the weapon

[covert kestrel]

We are sweaty gamers this szn

[old python]

that's actually insane 💀

[glass mortar]

only important notes are u cant swap gally thumb so

dont bother with it in m+

it bad

[old python]

yet we have an ability that kills us if used .1 seconds off

[hybrid crown]

If you forget to swap just fyi you can mash your swap macro during KS so you don't lose a global

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/it-be-like-that-sometimes-like-that-sometimes-snoop-dogg-sometimes-just-like-it-gif-12501830

[glass mortar]

ye if u enter combat with the wrong weapon on try to wait for kspree to weaponswap if u can

to avoid the gcd loss

[old python]

been playing wow for 7 years and i just learned something new ig

cheers

[low sinew]

wheres this addon for weapon swap?

[old python]

it's a macro in pinned

[low sinew]

ah ok

ty

[glass mortar]

zacs WA pack also has a WA reminding u to do it

out of combat

[harsh quartz]

twilight dev or gushing wounds.. what you guys rolling with?

[old python]

the sweat is crazy

coming from an arcane mage main to this

is

crazy

lovely

[lime lake]

Well yeah it feels like 108 outside

I'm sweaty as fuck

[static zenith]

Is the wep from mugzee on heroic better for m+ than this?

[lilac olive]

You should do a macro to swap weapons

using nightfall on adds

and on boss swap ti to Capo

[static zenith]

ahh

ok ty

[harsh quartz]

every time you vanish it refreshes

[rapid phoenix]

!sim

[glass mortar]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[neat python]

hello, i have a question, i think i will main my outlaw for the S3, it's my alt, i play warlock usually but i have a lot of difficulties to be taken in key ? PU have a problem with rogue ? no BR no BL is an issue ?

[glass mortar]

as much issue as other dps specs with no real group utility have

cant tell what will end up on top of s3 yet of course so its impossible to tell who will get fast invites

[old python]

is dungeon slice supported? or do we still go good ol patchwerk 5 targets?

[covert kestrel]

There also occasionally is the sentiment of "under played spec == good player" but not always

[glass mortar]

dslice is fine, recommended even

[old python]

coolio ty

[bright lodge]

Anyone can share that weird natural 5roll chat announce wa? I lost a bet

[covert kestrel]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

This?

[rapid phoenix]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[bright lodge]

Not that one. The one that is only announce stuff in chat through /s or /y

On 2nd thought I could just macro it into KiR

[covert kestrel]

Ew

But you do you haha

[torpid heath]

is it me or the belt isnt working?

[bright lodge]

Yeah. Ew

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Are you trying to use the AOE spit damage one

[rapid phoenix]

oh so with HO SS casts Ambush with the proc so ypou dont have to add it to your bars

didn't realize that

[glass mortar]

u need to bind it in stealth

[torpid heath]

ye

[glass mortar]

but yes out of stealth audacity procs turn SS into ambush

the aoe bolt proc thingy breaks all the time and we dont know why

its mega trash rn

might be ok if it worked

[torpid heath]

so we use crit?

[vivid vessel]

Ye that one just doesn't work

Use normal belt kekw

[torpid heath]

bruh

[glass mortar]

🙂

[lavish shoal]

Does anyone know what the “lucky” fate bound coin means for the outlaw tier set

[glass mortar]

the capstone

[rapid phoenix]

what if i dont have a normal belt 😦

[torpid heath]

get fucked i guess

[lavish shoal]

Ah so you need 7 in a row

[rapid phoenix]

guess I just go craft one

[glass mortar]

use the crit or other stat amp proc one

they sim basically margin of error worse then current belts

so its not rlly a noticable loss

and free stamina ilvl

[lavish shoal]

Wait

You can guarantee lucky coin

Lmao

[rapid phoenix]

so which one am i using if both suck balls and are broken and I dont have another belt?

[lavish shoal]

That’s so funny

[torpid heath]

crit probably but sim

id guess

[rapid phoenix]

i love this game

[lavish shoal]

Does crackshot flip two coins

[glass mortar]

1

[strong cargo]

Why do you not have another belt ? 😄 craft one then i guess if you want another one

[rapid phoenix]

I just started gearing this guy as of a week ago

so im only 678 and the belt was one of the first things I got so i never bothered 😦

[strong cargo]

Then it's not that bad 🤷‍♂️

[chilly atlas]

678 in a week is alot of grinding, lol

[vivid vessel]

Not really unless you use cb

It's almost guaranteed tho with the tier set

And once you proc the set adr is 2min 30 cd

Which imo will helps tremendously raid uptime for harder fights

[glass mortar]

the proc rate of lucky coin with this tier set is what the proc rate should normally be

[vivid vessel]

But it's hard to say if it's actually good numerically

[glass mortar]

unironically btw

[vivid vessel]

Nah

The capstone should still not be a thing

Imo

[glass mortar]

sure

that would be the best result

[vivid vessel]

It should be a thing you proc

Like just a proc

[glass mortar]

if this was any other tree

[vivid vessel]

The fact it's a, proc once and never again

[glass mortar]

it woulda been "proc this after X coin flips in a row" period

[vivid vessel]

Is weird af

[glass mortar]

from the get go

well its not everytime u proc it it does some funny tee hee damage

it was like that before its second iteration on beta right

[rapid phoenix]

I was 665 when I started, I gave up on at the start b/c my push team needed a lust but now that we've settled im back into it

[glass mortar]

but i dont disagree it shouldnt exist

[chilly atlas]

oh, i thought you went from fresh to 678, lol

[vivid vessel]

That should be where the capstone power is tho

Not in the Perma agi buff

That thing is mega weird

[vivid vessel]

Idk I think it has been this way since day 1

[glass mortar]

for a real spec it would be a temp agi buff u get for ur cds or something

for us it should just be perma agi with flavor at worst

with the damage proc being the more noticable part

and a animation when u proc it

and a guarenteed proc causer that can take no more then like 10-20s for first proc lol

i mean ive always said its an easy fix to just make it proc every 7 coins of a type

not in a row

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[visual zephyr]

so this one same or better than new belt after nerf huh ? sad 😢

[vivid vessel]

This would be also fine

Idk this hero tree is so stupid idk how anyone could design something like this

Jus look at it

[upper hazel]

mhk

[vivid vessel]

And think it's fine

[glass mortar]

it is kinda impressive how many pain points it has if u read it when it basically doesnt impact gameplay at all

just like hiding little stabs at ur damage profile inside what appears to be an entirely passive tree

[mighty pivot]

they didn't look at it, which is why activating AR breaks stealth

[vivid vessel]

Remember it used to not

It was firing a coin on the next finisher after adr

We complained it was breaking stealth when we were doing ADR snd

And it was changed to break on ADR instead

Fried

[glass mortar]

well yes the fix was to make us not need to press SnD

not to not make fatebound break prestealth

smh zac one thing at a time

greedy mf these outlaw rogues i swear

[vivid vessel]

?

[sullen wyvern]

what is the belt's vers proc called?

[glass mortar]

💅

[vivid vessel]

We would have procced the thing on the first bte breaking stealth

[civic zephyr]

Outlaw got too much shit going on with it they just gotta scale all the procs n whatnot back

[vivid vessel]

Wdym

It would have been goated

Also reminder

It doesn't even work

If you ADR from stealth

So

[mighty pivot]

or they could have made only offensive finishers proc it

[real yew]

Charged Crystal is bugged on raid too or I can use it?

[glass mortar]

wanting multiple annoying things to be fixed at once with a change just because it makes sense to do so

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1166809459901878363.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

greedy af what can i say

[vivid vessel]

Wdym multiple things

You realized if they hadn't touched anything

It would have fixed itself

When they removed snd

Since they legit removed snd the same patch

[glass mortar]

yea that wulda been 2 issues removed instead of the 1 they were trying to remove

[vivid vessel]

They changed this shit

[glass mortar]

that might break the whole game open zac

void portal in the code that collapses the servers

[vivid vessel]

They litteraly created an issue instead of not doing anything and letting it fix itself

It's crazy to me

How clueless you gotta be

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

They get paid to do this bro

[mighty pivot]

paid by sin players

[glass mortar]

remember when we got like 2 dungeon changes in a row that just actively made the dungeons more miserable to play

[glass mortar]

some devs just churning work to do for the sake of work

[proven ocean]

blizzard is drunk

those timings are all different

?????????????

it cant be 13:00 EDT and 20:00 CEST at the same time

unless u live in mars or someshit

\

[vivid vessel]

Bro ross

They do this

Every season

Btw

[proven ocean]

no way

[vivid vessel]

I'm not even joking

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Every ptr cycle they drop times for testing

And it's always wrong

Cause they fuck up timezone

It's actually so funny it keeps happening

Every time

[proven ocean]

dude

idk

[uncut turret]

what head corruption you guys prefer?

[mighty pivot]

if only there was a way to get the correct time

[glass mortar]

never beating the unable to do math allegations thats for sure

[light rapids]

isnt it just cuz of daylight saving

they dont take that into account

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel ptr m+ in 1.5 hr

rip

[red zinc]

uh

[mighty pivot]

but the S in CEST stands for summer

[red zinc]

am i cooked or can you evasion the searing death application

in top first boss

it wasnt applying even though i didnt cloak

[regal lotus]

Hey we used to see our roll the bones buffs without the addon

Under our character

We cant now ?

[delicate seal]

are you talking about weakaura vs personal resource display?

[regal lotus]

Think personal resource display

It used to be default

Never used weakauras for my rotation

Not the personal cds im tamking about the roll the bones buffs. And blade flurry buff

[fair oak]

hello, are the kir buff extensions independent from rtb

the rtb WA was saying reroll even when I had extended good buffs I'm just trying to understand why sorry

[glass mortar]

kind of but not really

theres rules about playing around this in the FaQ

and if u check the advanced section theres a more indepth explanation of the mechanic

but its based on the duration of a RtB buff compared to the duration of the hidden rtb container buff

[proper berry]

hey large pumpers

do you equip nightfall cudgel and eat the gcd to swap back to a higher ilvl offhand after your first hit from stealth/vanish/etc ?

[glass mortar]

no

[proper berry]

or just leave a 658 nightfall in OH

[glass mortar]

you wear it until bosses or ST/2t pulls where ud rather have the other oh

[proper berry]

cheers

671 knuckles vs 681 crafted mainhand?

[glass mortar]

681 in mh hc capo in the oh

swap it on for bosses/cudgel on for trash

[proper berry]

ur the best

[hybrid crown]

You can swap during KS if you don't want to lose a gcd

[echo tide]

It’s ok blizzards internal simcraft also calculates the time zones

[iron maple]

is PTR down?

[echo tide]

Yazma interrupt change

[copper radish]

finally 680 boys we made it

[jolly geyser]

[copper radish]

now i can play the game lol

[lilac olive]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[civic zephyr]

For outlaw rogue if we're playing HO what amount of haste % do we want unbuffed? On WoWhead i see 8-10% for HO and 17% for KiR

[glass mortar]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass mortar]

u can trust sims but for no ghostly build u will generally end up atound 12-15% and ghostly strike builds closer to kirs value (18-19%)

[civic zephyr]

is the 14-18% haste unbuffed though? just to clarify because im trying to adjust my gearing to hit the recommended haste unbuffed. Currently im sitting at 11.94%

[glass mortar]

yes unbuffed

all these values r unbuffed

the required amount is 25% fully buffed with talents and everything

[cedar kernel]

lord why are u here atm

dont forget to pick up this^

[glass mortar]

for HO builds this season u will end up with closer to 30-35% with full self buffs and everything

[civic zephyr]

Thanks, i appreciate the help

also are you guys dropping the 694 belt (if you upgrade it) for a 684 one with secondary stats or are you guys planning on using it still for raid/keys?

I checked the pins, but i wanted to know how many people are using vs dropping

[glass mortar]

wait and see what zac does then copy that cause thats what 90% of players r gunna do anyway

doubt many people in here have made a choice past waiting for someone in here to tell them what to do, which is do whatever u want honestly

u wont notice the difference between a normal belt and the new belt post reset

[obsidian walrus]

do i send magnet only on 30 stacks or on lower also ?

[glass mortar]

more stamina is more free hp so if it sims identical i will wear it cause id need to recraft a bunch of gear to put my old belt back on

as long as u dont overcap past 30 stacks u can use it whenever

[drowsy pebble]

what belt effect are we using now? sims or is there a general choice for m+?

[glass mortar]

sims

the pins have the most accurate current info

which is that u can choose to not use it at all and u wont even notice

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

i played with farover abit earlier today

he did like

36m dps 1st pull cinderbrew

wtf

warrior > udk confirmed??

[short heath]

currenly i am siming nightfall vs crafted 681 and it seems that crated is better. Am i doing something wrong?

[glass mortar]

u are probably simming patchwerk

the item does not proc more then 1 time ever on patchwerk

which is as u open, so it does not look very good

[short heath]

yeah but then i go to dungeon slice and it seems as if hc molten knuckles are worst than nightfall

[glass mortar]

the proc works properly in dslice and dungeonroute sims

i mean u dont need to sim it, u can if u wanna but cudgel is the bis offhand on dungeon trash

there is no weapon stronger then it

[short heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qxmQcuP6BPHEuAE1RovguU

here is my sim maybe i do something wrong

[glass mortar]

why do u think u are doing something wrong i am saying ur sims are correct

cudgel wont sim good on patchwerk, the item effect does not work properly

it does work on dslice and dungeonroute, so the sims will show it as an upgrade if u use those

it is the bis offhand in dungeon trash aoe

[short heath]

okey but that means hero molten knuckles are wasted dinars now

[glass mortar]

no u swap them on for bosses

[stuck magnet]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

or wear them for any st/2t cleave

[mellow thicket]

Is the PTR available for 11.2 to see all the new outlaw changes?

[glass mortar]

it is available but it might be down right now

people were trying stuff all week, it went up last week

[short heath]

thx for the help!

[glass mortar]

np 👍

[sick mica]

im simming myself but itll be awhile, but has anyone else simmed the belt after changes vs standard 684 belt? are we that screwed that 684 belt is actually better?

[glass mortar]

it probably wont be better but it might be within margins of error

[sick mica]

thats depressing

[delicate seal]

Gives nice stam

[cold jewel]

@keen belfry hey dude have you tried assassination rogue? i think it does better for this key.

[keen belfry]

will look into that next season!

[rustic stirrup]

What power for belt we running now?

[tulip quarry]

[mighty pivot]

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel these wowhead posts i cant

my guy already made a post about the dungeon being difficult when literally M+ isnt out yet

💀

[edgy phoenix]

is izen tierlist out yet for s3

[dapper fjord]

ive heard that simming for dslice isnt very accurate . if thats true then how can i sim my aoe?

[edgy phoenix]

dslice best

someone lied to u

[mighty pivot]

maybe they heard it about another class - which can be the case

[rigid basin]

There is a WA that lets you copy an MDT route as SIMC input that you can run in expert mode. But Dslice is fine enough. The only differences I see are like marginal trinket differences

like the simc route values Remnant a bit more

but all trinkets this tier are practically samesies so w/e

[fierce sinew]

can you not wep swap to gallys thumb in dungeons?...was trying it wasnt working "/

[valid kindle]

nope, that weapon isn't swappable

[fierce sinew]

F

[glass mortar]

its also not good in dungeons anyway so no big loss

[fierce sinew]

was mainly wanting to test it on long ST boss fights

[upper hazel]

3 weapons new meta

[fierce sinew]

not the bussy sword

[reef forge]

imagine getting kicked from a group because you run charged bolts

crazy

[sudden fulcrum]

not really crazy

[reef forge]

how not crazy lol

they want people to run stat on outlaw thats just a dps decrease from ordinary belt

[sudden fulcrum]

check the pins. it has a number of considerable downsides besides the fact that it was nerfed into the ground

[reef forge]

i mean its not nerfed on eu yet

[craggy barn]

yea but the downsides are pretty bad

regardless

[reef forge]

im seeing breaks cc and hits random targets

[dawn talon]

it griefs people for like +1% overall

just play regular belt

[undone summit]

what would i drop to get shiv for soothe

[craggy barn]

unbreakable stride

[dawn talon]

stride or iron stomach

if u rly hate slows ig

[undone summit]

ty

[craggy barn]

def stride, its very much meh since it only reduces duration

[reef forge]

by breaks cc does that mean sap or like actual stuns such as kidney?

[undone summit]

im 620 in a +10 so i think the extra healing from iron stomach will help

[craggy barn]

hard ccs

like sap and incap

so it is really troll in some spots

[reef forge]

must have insane range then, didn't realise

mb i guess

[glass mortar]

u dont often use sap and incap on things that r gunna be in combat but yea

at least no in the keys ive done this season

im sure it has some very specific uses this could fuck with

[craggy barn]

particularly DFC DHs like to incap one of the casters on first pull

to make it easier

[sudden fulcrum]

i saw it pull stuff we weren't in combat with at all twice and i never used it again in a key

[craggy barn]

and that gets scuffed

also 2nd room rookery

if u do the big triple caster triple pull

u tend to CC one of casters

to do it

and that can get scuffed

[red zinc]

this just isnt a thing though

idk where its coming from

[glass mortar]

i have never had it pull something not in combat

so i cannot attest to that

[reef forge]

i have had no issues whatsoever with it

[red zinc]

it most definitely got bodypulled before it procced

like bolts suck for random targets and cc'd mob breaking

but it doesnt pull on its own

[keen belfry]

can i equip the vers proc for vibes

solo?

[craggy barn]

its -0.5 worse than crit chain for me

it also decays faster for us since we hit a lot of abilities

[keen belfry]

gonna make a WA when it procs to stop hitting my buttons

[craggy barn]

[sick mica]

yeah crit chain is simming highest for me too

[craggy barn]

bolt still is ahead by .6 for me

[mighty pivot]

make one which switches on OBR when it procs

[keen belfry]

someone said the nerfs arent in simc

[sick mica]

dungeon slice?

[mighty pivot]

they are in now

[keen belfry]

whats the vers [proc acalled

called

[sick mica]

static something

[mighty pivot]

static

[keen belfry]

it might be static

[sick mica]

for me static SLIGHTLY loses to crit chain in dungeon slice

but very close

might depend on what you are running. not sure if thats cause of my pacemaker or what

[keen belfry]

vers loses to clit by .3%

might run vers for vibes

[sudden fulcrum]

the clit is unstoppable

[keen belfry]

i have no clue how im supposed to find that belt enchant

im convinced it doesnt exist

[sudden fulcrum]

mouse over each one

[keen belfry]

im ok ty tho

[rigid basin]

BuT mY pArSe

[tough fox]

what would be the best trinkets to grab if you dont have access to mythic magnet or house. i have access to mythic gearkeys tho

[keen belfry]

pace and gearkeys probs

heroic hoctuah aint bad

[strong halo]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[keen belfry]

common sentiment is our trinkets suck this tier and they are basically all very similiar, i think stuff like gearkeys and cart can bug out

so pace + hoc

[tough fox]

i simmed and it showed mythic gear and ravenous honey buzzer were siming higher but im not a fan of buzzer

damn even hero track would be better than myth keys?

[strong halo]

is the roll the bones weak aura good to use?

[keen belfry]

i think both these are quite janky and would not sure them

[sudden fulcrum]

honey buzzer propels you forward which is pretty shitty

that has put me in some situations which resulted in my death

[tough fox]

ya thats one of the main reasons i dont want to use that

[glass mortar]

Buzzer is identical to keys

[rancid portal]

I got that trinket today at 662 😢

Big sadge

[glass mortar]

Keys can miss on weird bosses like last boss rookery,, p2 of King mechagon

Theres one other in keys I think

Most stuff it works on tho

[strong halo]

is the whistle any better?

[glass mortar]

Whistles a good passive choice

Generally an active + passive gunna sim better then double passive tho

Magnets really the goat because of its flexibility

[stone delta]

How do I get the bubbling wax?

[glass mortar]

Highest simming is probably like spare keys and whistle for m+

[glass mortar]

Pickpocket kobolds or goblins in the undermine

[stone delta]

we need quest for this?

[strong halo]

what do u mean flexibility?

[glass mortar]

I can flex the usage timings around mob hps and damage amp windows etc.

[keen belfry]

can it do the splits

may it*

[glass mortar]

It's not just a set use on cd timer

[tough fox]

would you take it at hero over hero hoc?

[glass mortar]

Yes

Hoc isn't even usable as ho and isn't particularly amazing regardless even if ur playing kir

It's fine but I'd never opt to dinar it

[keen belfry]

my hero hoctuah always outsims my hero magnet

[glass mortar]

Most trinkets outsim magnet by like 0.2%

Who cares

[keen belfry]

.4% get ur facts striaght

[glass mortar]

Hoc only works for kir and magnets more fun

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-hawktuah-spit-spitting-spits-gif-18030673182659224111

[keen belfry]

my sim actually wants me to use my mthic goon trinket

[glass mortar]

Yes that's the top simming trinket everywhere

[keen belfry]

but i feel like that than can be janky in m+

[glass mortar]

It's not usable in m+ tho

So I dont bother bringing it up

The top actual trinket sims r like magnet and goon on st or goon/x on aoe

But goon us only like 0.5% ahead of the next best stuff and u will probably lose more then that if u break ur cudgel with it so

[dull fable]

what makes hotline bad in m+ does it just random pull stuff

[vale warren]

If the goons are out when you vanish your nightfall weapon doesn't proc

Or something along those lines

[keen belfry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[prisma vessel]

wait for it.

[runic gulch]

3 min CD?

[mint lily]

oof

[prisma vessel]

there it is

just saw it too

Dx

[runic gulch]

Lmao thought I’d go first

[gilded karma]

show new icon team

[random stirrup]

3 minute ks

rip trickster unless they fix unseen blade procs

[old gull]

Hmm

[runic gulch]

So less instances of jank interactions with coup but a flat overall damage nerf I guess?

[hard frost]

fun detected

[mild vigil]

I'm not sure how I feel about an ability like killing spree having the same CD as something as powerful as adrenaline rush

[prisma vessel]

same, guess ill play fatebound

[gilded karma]

there was fatebound fixes

some anyway

[prisma vessel]

yerp

[gilded karma]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/players-can-reduce-allied-spell-visuals-via-options-in-patch-11-2-377460?utm_source=discord-webhook

this is giga

[random stirrup]

hopefully they buff it to compensate

[prisma vessel]

bruh will i not see chaos bolts anymore?

[proper veldt]

They probably consider the cp refund the buff

[strong halo]

Would love feedback just messing around normal raids to get some repetition. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qfLzNVcKQnrYmaBt?fight=48&type=damage-done&source=1045 Any feedback? i thought i did ok but parse is low

[twilit apex]

well have to see how bad the ks nerf is

[craggy quiver]

Bro the new icon is fire

[sand geode]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[twilit apex]

the change feels kinda weird unless there was some busted shit happening on beta

[mild vigil]

I'm gonna withold my judgment until I see PTR testing in actual keys

[craggy quiver]

They had to change it

[sand geode]

is stix trinket just used at max stacks in ST with no dmg amp windows?

[twilit apex]

i mean i havent seen anything so im just wondering

[verbal fjord]

3M ks ?

[keen belfry]

no dmg buff to KS huh?

[mild vigil]

yeah it was functioning really weirdly with the talent that gives more unseen blades

[lost slate]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-for-june-24th-new-and-reworked-tier-bonuses-377461?utm_source=discord-webhook

[twilit apex]

i see people use it more often then waiting on stacks

[craggy quiver]

With double coup the cdr is insane

They just need to make sure the dmg is there

[lost slate]

KS changed again

[mild vigil]

yeah

[keen belfry]

does the way its dmg profile is written change how it does dmg?

what was wordage before again

[simple dagger]

Enormous oof

[surreal flower]

Hopefully with the longer cd it doesn’t canabalize the new 2 pc procs as much

[mild vigil]

it means it will target things only in front of the player

[cinder relic]

Who has the new icon

[mild vigil]

so my understanding is that it will target the enemy closest to the player

if they're doing things the smart way

[craggy quiver]

Here

[cinder relic]

Oh that is heat

[craggy quiver]

It's fire

[random stirrup]

honestly contender for best icon in the game

[mild vigil]

new icon for usernames?

[late swallow]

This is so cringe lmao

Official pin in Acherus

[simple dagger]

I just saw this lol jfc

[fossil lintel]

3 min KS with no reduction in how long it takes, don't really like this

[simple dagger]

Never been @ ed for a fucking week old pre-patch change

[patent mirage]

Pog we got delivered

[fossil lintel]

Trickster will slow down significantly

[glass mortar]

speed up actually since more ksprees made the spec slower actual rotation wise

[crisp canopy]

who tf thought this change was a good idea lmfao, brain dead devs

[glass mortar]

but itll have significantly less cdr

kspree was ur main source of unseen blades by alot

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, I mean on rotating through coups

[surreal flower]

Hopefully the 2pc pulls through on generating UB casts

[keen belfry]

the CD of killing spree does seem perfect for gameplay loop though

[fossil lintel]

I need to hop on ptr and test

[glass mortar]

u use it once per afr use now basically

like a 40s ish cd

whats the other change mean, just that u wont shoot guys behind u anymore?

[keen belfry]

seems right for cd + amount of cdr we get

can we just make ti do dmg tho

[glass mortar]

doesnt do enough damage for the impact of a 3m cd now yea

baby steps i guess

[keen belfry]

is its dmg profile better now?

[glass mortar]

really tho damage is w/e im more worried about the interactions

[fossil lintel]

Also no damage adjustments on KS itself, so I guess a larger tuning pass will happen at some point

[glass mortar]

why would the profile be better

[keen belfry]

i thought the wording changed

[glass mortar]

the ability is still less dpet then a crackshot window

[keen belfry]

oh the tooltip is still poop

icon banger, cd feels correct

so good job

but make it do dmg plz 🙂

[fossil lintel]

I'm sad though, I was hoping for the 360 KS priory last boss trick shot

[simple dagger]

What’s the icon? Yeah weird they doubled the CD and didn’t touch damage. Did it go insane before?

[glass mortar]

no

[craggy quiver]

It's fine just need tuning

[glass mortar]

but at the same time its never gunna do enough damage for a profile like outlaws to be a "big" moment idk

[craggy quiver]

1.5 CD was way too short

[crisp canopy]

so its not fine then

[glass mortar]

trying to make it feel like that with damage feels doomed for me

just make it more impactful by connecting it to other spells and visual

if u literally doubled its damage to make up for the double cd it would do like 7-10m damage a cast on a 40s cd

[mighty pivot]

it is faster

[glass mortar]

is it? whats the time between attacks with no haste

[fossil lintel]

They are fixing bugs on fatebound

[mighty pivot]

actually nvm

[bronze wadi]

are there any changes to the builds for Trickster KIR

[fossil lintel]

I wouldn't mind 2 min cooldown for once per vanish

[glass mortar]

once every 40s on average feels a bit odd to me. you might kspree less often then once a pack even

guess we'll see how it plays out and what else they change on it

oh wait it gets cdr from trickster as well, itll be slightly more often then adr

like every 30-35s probably

(average cd with high variance of course)

[mighty pivot]

yeah base cd is 2.7m

[keen belfry]

cd feels good IMO

but the button just feels so

blah

[vivid vessel]

worse case scenario xd

oh well

[royal ermine]

did you really expect anything else

[vivid vessel]

i think it was already in the cook

and they didnt read feddback yet

hopefully

[mild vigil]

nope, they read feedback

[surreal flower]

I think realz had said he wanted to try the longer cd last week

Right when the notes dropped

[mighty pivot]

it's ok they will read surfer guy's feedback

[mild vigil]

look at the header for DK changes

[craggy barn]

sadge its only a frontal

[keen belfry]

still not dmg cd worthy moment

[vivid vessel]

is anyone on ptr btw

to test the

"strike only in front of you""

like wtf does this mean

[mighty pivot]

I am checking that yes

[keen belfry]

thats what confuses me

[mighty pivot]

I think it's still random

just frontal

[keen belfry]

is the dmg profile better now?

[vivid vessel]

idk xd

[keen belfry]

tooltip still says random btw

[lament locust]

surly this is just the first pass

[vocal palm]

Looks like they did actually buff ks damage on ptr

[sullen narwhal]

3 min is too much

[mighty pivot]

they have over a month to update it again

[gaunt phoenix]

double the cd is a lot

[random stirrup]

holy moly

[rancid portal]

3.5 sec means 4.5 sec with supercharged?

[random stirrup]

but still less unseen blades

cooked

[vivid vessel]

3min cd kinda fucks the trickster loop no ?

idk

[sullen narwhal]

They made ks a lot better, but then slapped the same cd as rush

Not good

[vivid vessel]

what is the point even

[sullen narwhal]

This is basiclaly the worst option they could have taken

[vivid vessel]

yeee

oh well

[keen belfry]

i couldnt tell if we get more UBs on live or ptr

[mighty pivot]

this is 2.3 for me on live

[keen condor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[keen belfry]

what % buff is the dmg buff

[crisp canopy]

realz ruining outlaw one patch after another

[surreal flower]

Approx 25%

A bit off for rounding

[vocal palm]

25

[glass mortar]

is that not just them applying the 25% from the original notes

yea

its noting new

[gaunt phoenix]

😐

[vocal palm]

ah ig it wasn't applied before this week

[glass mortar]

25% slower and 25% more damage

aka, just worse

[sullen narwhal]

They should have just nerfed the damage of ks if they thought it was doing too much rather than increasing the cd

[glass mortar]

and now double the cd

i assume theres more planned because otherwise this is just a huge nerf

👍

wait till next week simulator

[keen belfry]

whats guy gonna tell us today guys

[abstract frost]

Is outlaw dead

[vivid vessel]

next weak

[abstract frost]

Reroll angle?

[lime lake]

reroll to frost

its joever

[vivid vessel]

lets just say

guys

calm down

[surreal flower]

Dk literally can’t be bad next tier it’s getting reworked

[vivid vessel]

lets just say they havent read the feedbakc yet

thoughts >?

[keen belfry]

down

[abstract frost]

Outlaw dead

[sullen narwhal]

This is basically the worst option in my opinion, the cp refund was great, and not op, just great, the channel was too long so they could have either reduced it, or in my opinion it would have been better to just make it halt the duration of subterfuge during the channel

[prisma vessel]

agreed

[abstract frost]

It’s over

[crisp canopy]

they did and they do not care

[glass mortar]

i mean these changes r 1 week apart, if they r gunna continue to cook every 1-2 weeks for the next month or so its w/e

small iterative changes

going full doom rn is a bit silly

[sullen narwhal]

But 3 min ks is insane

[abstract frost]

Going full doom rn

[glass mortar]

we had the entire ability reworked then again massively changed within 2 weeks