outlaw

[inner meadow]

a lot

[vivid vessel]

its legit impossible in higher keys

if you do the bait strat

cause you spawn them too close to boss

[inner meadow]

that's what i was experiencing

i was in a 17

and it just feels impossible

[keen belfry]

kinda cooked on that boss sometimes

[vivid vessel]

I tried to figure it out with my tanks

But idk

Kinda gave up now

I just send at 1 cp and pray

Or don't send

Or send during baits

Idk

[vale warren]

fatebound key

[vivid vessel]

Fuck this boss

[inner meadow]

i try to send it right after we clear molds

then i usually can get it off

a full cp one

if i time it right

[vivid vessel]

If your tank is aware of you

Kick the first kick insta

After dropping the poopa

So you move insta

The boss

Away from candles

Hopefully

[inner meadow]

I pug a lot so not sure I can count on that

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel seems like ptr dung is thursday

i think

m+

right?

[candid locust]

week 1 is the new dungeon only

and it s tomorrow, tuesday(afaik)

[mighty pivot]

here are both trinkets giving subterfuge. Neither of the two trinkets seem to have a projectile so maybe it's that? idk this game doesn't make any sense

[wintry solar]

Now that KS doesn't teleport anymore, it doesn't fit with the trickster archetype.

[keen belfry]

😮

[wintry solar]

Wonder if more changes are afoot

[keen belfry]

a foot

[novel timber]

1 foot

[wintry solar]

Foot?

[lime lake]

nothing is more tricksy than pulling out a gun and shooting someone in the face repeatedly

[wintry solar]

Teleporting is

[lime lake]

who needs teleportation when you have a gun

[wintry solar]

Xalataths btw

[wintry solar]

And they survive

[lime lake]

it was a prank bro

[simple dagger]

How funny is it gonna be if we get our reworked KS and it just turns out Fatebound is meta again lul

[wintry solar]

Was just a goof!

[keen belfry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel timber]

need me a "range idiot" WA

[wintry solar]

Depending on how they patch it up after this first iteration, I wouldn't doubt fatebound takes it as well.

I wouldn't doubt it could take it if it wanted to I mean

Do the attacks flurry?

[mighty pivot]

https://wago.io/LWuNIXaB9 I think it's just this one but with better text

[fervent garden]

heh. need

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel this last tick ks bug is going to make me do things

i never die to ks but i keep pressing it while i have cloak off cd on the first boss of darkflame

thinking like "oh if i just press while far away from track i might only take a staggered hit and just cloak"

nuh uh

shit just oneshots me through ks

[craggy barn]

ks could still be played as FB, it was ok to have ks as FB last season just no one ran it bc it was dangerous, but u have to play ks as trickster

[simple dagger]

Ah yeah that's a good point. Hopefully it gets used either way

[craggy barn]

thank god they decided to rework it going into next patch

would be hilarious if we just couldnt run outlaw in db

[red zinc]

ks currently is probably a slight loss

for FB

but they're changing it so

we wait

[craggy barn]

ye

tuning will decide

[red zinc]

probably needs like

50%+ more damage

to be a positive gcd

wwithout all the attached effects from trickster

[glass mortar]

It's dpet should be pretty similar on ptr (25% longer cast time wirh 25% more damage) but the cost of not churning cdr vs the benifit of damage per energy and its cp gen is too hard to quickmath

Need real sims to tell tbh

[glass mortar]

Each shot is a st attack that flurries yea

[random stirrup]

It’s like one second longer usually right

One second for full cp seems not bad

obviously then you go towards the cancel the channel angle but

[red zinc]

i mean my overall dps goes down while pressing ks and the finisher after

its just a negative button press right now, wouldnt use it with fatebound since it has no further effects for that

[glass mortar]

Well ur dps shouldn't go down... the dpet of kspree on live is only lower then bte

It's higher then anything else

[fathom bramble]

it's also reasonable combo points per second

[glass mortar]

Assuming it is identical dpet on ptr

[fathom bramble]

well dpet should go down slightly

just from MG

but it's not a meaningful amount I think

[glass mortar]

Isn't it still proccing mg?

[fathom bramble]

it is

[glass mortar]

Isn't that why u get random stab animations during it

[fathom bramble]

but your getting the same amount of MG over a longer time

[glass mortar]

U cant auto during channels I thought

Ah yes

[fathom bramble]

depends on the channel

now that you mention it I never checked this one

idk

[glass mortar]

Double the number of attacks to compensate for it being slower

🤔

[fathom bramble]

if you can't AA during new KS then the damage per execute time would be technically lower

[glass mortar]

Does simcs calculate dpet taking shit like that into account

[fathom bramble]

though I don't think DPET on simc includes auto attacks lost during a channel

[glass mortar]

I dont actually know

Yea I'd think it doesnt

Like is bte dpet counting in crackshot? Probably not its probably just inflating dispatchs

[fathom bramble]

pretty sure any direct trigger from 1 spell is counted in the dpet

crack should be part of it since simc tracks which ones are crackshots properly

[red zinc]

unemployment rate is too high

if you pay tips you deserve to get scammed no cappy

[lime lake]

what a time to be alive

[proven ocean]

HELLO PEOPLE AND PEOPLEMENT

HJOW ARE U ALL DOING

!??!?!?!?!

[red zinc]

Zeross

Have you noticed

[proven ocean]

YES

I NOTICED

[red zinc]

Melee comp players never ask for tips

[proven ocean]

OFC OFC

[red zinc]

only meta gooners

[proven ocean]

ok ok

[red zinc]

lower it to 19 for me twin

[proven ocean]

idk

[red zinc]

Deplete extra hard

So you break resilient

Real quick

[river wren]

FINE AND YOU ? XD

[proven ocean]

FINE AND YOU ? XD

OH YOU YOU'D ME FIRST

NVM

[vivid vessel]

rossssssss

rossssiiuwuu

UWUU

[long barn]

Have you guys timed any 20s with double rogue yet

[red zinc]

with assa/outlaw they timed a bunch

double outlaw i doubt it

[long barn]

No shit cool. I wanna come

[vivid vessel]

bro

this guy

is so stupid

or

[red zinc]

he aint in discord sadge

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel come come

[bright lodge]

So new KS cp gen is worse then spamming Sinister Strike as for noww?

[vivid vessel]

im in raid

[proven ocean]

when finish

zac

?

[vivid vessel]

too late for you ..

[long barn]

Is 3800 IO enough to be cool enough to goon

[proven ocean]

wdym too late for me i sleep at 9 am

after 8-9 hours

[vivid vessel]

no you need 3958 minimum

[proven ocean]

my sleep schedule is absolutely demonic zac

[long barn]

Figured

Maybe when I get my new 502 goat mouse

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

hje is arguing outlaw needs a survivability buff

since ks is delete

outlaw

[red zinc]

3840 predicted title

doomge

[lime lake]

outlaw notoriously squishy spec

buff pls

[fathom bramble]

deleting KS is a survivability buff

[red zinc]

im tryna think what is even timeable for 3840

like

[gaunt phoenix]

Half the forum yappers legit never played outlaw since bfa

[fathom bramble]

the only time we can even feel slightly squishy is if you are in a situation where you should probably be elusiveness

but refuse to talent into it

[red zinc]

ml/dfc/top/flood 20

no way rookery/workshop 20 is a title key

[fathom bramble]

yeah...

[red zinc]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/roll-for-tertiary-stats-with-dimensius-omni-tokens-in-manaforge-omega-377408?utm_source=discord-webhook oh my

we gambling

[long barn]

You think so?

[red zinc]

thats just the extrapolated chart

which is usually pretty correct this late into the season

might fall off a bit with belt nerfs

[light patio]

Am i missing something?

4 mins on target dummy and no dmg from belt?

[red zinc]

or work completely differently with resilient since resi 19 is probably inflating io

[light patio]

what is it supposed to be listed as

[glass mortar]

what u are missing is that the belt does not work on target dummies

and hasnt at any point

[light patio]

there it is dude

[glass mortar]

but ud only know that if u asked so

[fathom bramble]

shouldn't it also pick up towards the end of the season as well?

[glass mortar]

👍

[red zinc]

wtf

be nice delve

[fathom bramble]

or does the prediction try to account for that

[glass mortar]

i am being nice

[red zinc]

it doesnt its literally just an extrapolated line

[glass mortar]

its not their fault the thing doesnt work for no apparent reason on the ingame testing targets

[red zinc]

for predicted season duration

[glass mortar]

xxxxxd

very silly

[long barn]

20 workshop and TOP are the likely time keys minus DFC and ML no?

[mighty pivot]

you can't be spamming more feints than the specs which don't have CDR on it this guy is a specimen

[red zinc]

i think if i locked the fuck in

i could time every 20 except rookery

[glass mortar]

damn i gotta say i was hoping for better weather but the summer started a bit more abrubtly then i was ready for...

[random stirrup]

Reading this when you can just sit in feint for 30s straight with not too much loss with good buffs

[glass mortar]

[vapid sundial]

its not about you locking in

its about your team locking in

frfr

[long barn]

Trying to find a team for outlaw that works is hard times

[red zinc]

not always

i mean i bricked the 20 dfc with last tick ks bug

a feral did get run over normally right before

but still

[vapid sundial]

I mean yeah

you will brick sometimes

but even if u play perfect

its 4 others too

[red zinc]

i genuinely think i wouldnt die to a fault of my own ever without ks this season

or at least

its the only thing i die to

[vapid sundial]

Well.

[lime lake]

[vapid sundial]

I know as enh i would randomly die but

thats bc enh is fucking paper

[glass mortar]

i mean u watch zac die

and like 95% of deaths r to kspree

its so funny

[real yew]

Do we have a 684 BiS belt? It's not a crafted one?

[glass mortar]

idk anyone else that comes close to

[worldly shale]

How much is that in normal people measurement

[vapid sundial]

Surely an ability that has like a 50% chance to kill you

[red zinc]

this one is good

[vapid sundial]

is good

[glass mortar]

"i made a 0.2s misjudgement one time with my 15s cooldown ability and it instantly killed me"

[vapid sundial]

Like

[glass mortar]

its so silly

or u get the bug and died even if u played it right

[gaunt phoenix]

it's true

[glass mortar]

or safely

[red zinc]

last tick ks bug

is so peak

how is it not fixed

[long barn]

What is that

[red zinc]

if you get hit during the last tick of ks it doesnt stagger

[glass mortar]

sometimes for whatever reason (dont think anyones figured it out yet) the last teleport of kspree will desync in both position and time from the animation

and when it happens u will lose ur stagger before u finish kspree animation

meaning a ground thingy can kill you

while u are unable to cloak

or do anything basically

[fathom bramble]

I believe the final teleport of KS happens at the same moment that it teleports you to your original position

and you can get put into a ground effect that you are never visually in

and not have stagger for it

[long barn]

Ohhh. I been wondering if it was a bug

This belt nerf is crazy dumb

[red zinc]

i mean ngl

if that effect scaled with ilvl

[long barn]

Like do we really think they will go through with it

[red zinc]

it wouldve started doing like

6-7% on bosses

lil dumb

[long barn]

Then change the scale

Not a flat 70% or whatever

[vapid sundial]

why change it when they have something that works

shrujg

[red zinc]

naw they're nerfing it because it sucks ass in m+ with pulling mobs and bugs and what not

they just want people to play the stat ones cause those have no negative gameplay interactions

[glass mortar]

that is a very positive outlook on why they r nerfing it

[red zinc]

not all that positive imo

they're too lazy to fix it so they nerf it

[vapid sundial]

i hate things like this belt

throw it in the trash anyway

Onyx annulet, this belt, stuid ring we just had

[mighty pivot]

no need to fix it anymore B)

[long barn]

Let’s buy a sport car and then remove the go fast button because it has issues if you use it on dirt roads.

[glass mortar]

they r nerfing it because for some specs that would normally like stats, it was strong enough to winout sometimes, and because the belt itself has zero secondaries, like a trinket people r overvaluing the 4-6% it gave on their sheet

xd

so now instead it will just be a bad item if u dont like stats

[vapid sundial]

why r people getting mad over a .7 patch item

[glass mortar]

and almost unchanged if u did like stats

[fathom bramble]

because if it's too strong you'll wear it for the entirety of next raid

or if it's too weak then it might as well not exist

[vapid sundial]

Strange that seems familiar.

[fathom bramble]

yeah just a bit

[glass mortar]

it was just a dumb way to nerf it

maybe just buff the other powers or?

[fathom bramble]

also the belt prevents me from having my engineering knockback

so I would rather not wear it

[glass mortar]

is a borrowed power being 4-6% increase too high

that was what it about peaked for people using charged belt

[vapid sundial]

just abit.

[glass mortar]

the fact that it was high variance was ur own shitty design

[long barn]

That’s all I’m saying. Something needed changed, this choice to nerf it this hard is dumb

[vapid sundial]

I really dislike them saying they are done with borrowed power then adding it back

I fucking hate BP

especially when its late into the season that we get it

[glass mortar]

4-6% dps in ur details and thats not calculating the fact that it has no secondaries so realistically more like 3-5%

[vivid vessel]

we littealyt dont have an alternative

its all trash

[vapid sundial]

I wouldnt care as much if the ring was at the start

[fathom bramble]

apparently they are fine with it if it's on gear

even tier is borrowed power in the end

[glass mortar]

borrowed power isnt an issue wow has always done borrowed power

[vapid sundial]

The issue is they said they were done with it.

[glass mortar]

borrowed power as replacing character progression over an expansion and baseline power growth was the issue

people didnt like that every expac was entirely self contained systems

that turned off as soon as a season ended

[vapid sundial]

I have disliked all 3 variants of BP we have gotten recently

[long barn]

How good is belt for other classes. Is this going to fuck me for m+ title?

[vapid sundial]

dawg

[glass mortar]

at max upgrade i think its decent for some people

[vapid sundial]

you dont need the belt to gett title

[glass mortar]

like 4-5% with the stat procs

[vapid sundial]

if the belt is what stops you from getting title its a krill issue

[glass mortar]

4-5% is alot in the bleeding edge competative world so

plus itll be alot of ilvl of stamina

[vapid sundial]

Not saying this to be toxic btw

People were over 100 points above title in NA im pretty sure before the belt

[glass mortar]

ur spot will be more competative if u dont have belt but it certainly wont be a make or break factor

its also piss easy to get tho

for 4-5% player power

[real yew]

charged bolts are stil simming higher than the rest, i'm using latest. This accurate?

[glass mortar]

its like 3 level 1 delves

the nerf isnt in until reset

[vapid sundial]

My main thought is, before we got ring title keys were already timed.
It's literally just a skill issue.

But i mena, is what it is

Same for belt

etc

[gaunt phoenix]

the nerf didnt happen yet

[vapid sundial]

how big is the nerf expected to be btw

% wise

[red zinc]

like 1.4% on dslice if you want to believe the previous charged bolts vs new critical chain sim

but hard to say

[vapid sundial]

so

[red zinc]

we didnt have the maxed version of bolts yet either

so not even that

[vapid sundial]

at worst case around 2% or something like that

yeah 2% wont make or break title

can 100% bet most people make 5-10% of errors rotationally when in high keys

[glass mortar]

free powers free power

[vapid sundial]

ye

[glass mortar]

it wont move the title up as much as ring did tho for sure

for us its like nothing

[vapid sundial]

Ring was disgusting

[glass mortar]

for most its far less then the ilvl boost was

honestly helm enchant is bigger for us then this belt now even at max ilvl prob xd

[vapid sundial]

what is the IL on the blet

belt

[glass mortar]

goes upt to 701 eventually (timegated if u can believe it)

[vapid sundial]

wow!
crazy!

[glass mortar]

starts at 691 or something

idr

[vapid sundial]

So its probably still worth running for a tiny bit of dmg loss for hjigh high kes

for the surv

but youd probably run either way

[glass mortar]

ye eventually

[vapid sundial]

I know for me I liked the ring cuz it made me less likely to fall over from a random mob sipitting on my face

But again thats just an enh thing

[glass mortar]

even if it breaks even on dps with the lame powers its like 20 ilvl of stam

[vapid sundial]

Ye

[real yew]

Yeah, mb. thought it was in the sims already. ty!

[frank finch]

thats cute

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel whats ur AR uptime usually

in real keys

ah

not that high

92-93%

[vivid vessel]

no idea

[proven ocean]

ye

i checked

5 diff dungeons

around that %

same as me ig

half dungeon but

[vivid vessel]

wcl is lower potentially

[proven ocean]

abit

[vivid vessel]

I mean you finished keyus no ?

you can compare logs

[proven ocean]

not rly

[vivid vessel]

take logs without downtime kinda

[proven ocean]

all my keys depleted

except 1 pug key

[vivid vessel]

huge

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean thats fine

[prisma vessel]

so much AR

[proven ocean]

idk

i think i can do higher alot

[vivid vessel]

im not mad about 81%

[proven ocean]

need abit of more practice maybe

[vivid vessel]

91%

sometimes with rng its rough

if you get bad st rolls

it can truck your uptime

[proven ocean]

yea

but again like

its rng but

also not rly too rng u know

[vivid vessel]

ye

i mean i get higher but

its also not bad

i dont think there is much of a diff for the last few %

[proven ocean]

looks same ngl

@vivid vessel

ur dung 5 sec longer, higher key i suppose

wait

i think this is bad data

i think its best to look at coup

cuz u have 10 more coups than me thats alot

i started to ignore other generators for fazed + coup is that what u do? @vivid vessel

because i feel like im doing more dmg that way rn

[vivid vessel]

not fazed

ub

kinda ye

[proven ocean]

im fixing alot of things anyway

[fossil lintel]

Bad rolls on ST as kir is so annoying

[vivid vessel]

like you are trying to spend your ub if they are going to bring you to coup

and you are trynig to spend them before ksing

[proven ocean]

do u soimetimes just ss at max cp

[vivid vessel]

ye i do

[proven ocean]

to force cp

coup*

[vivid vessel]

like on the opener

[proven ocean]

ok ok

[vivid vessel]

cause you get max cp with 3 stacks > 2 stacks of vanish and you have 1 ub left

stuffs liek that

im not finishing

thats so bad

losing cdr + wasting infintie time

cba

[proven ocean]

so what do u do for the last ub

hows ur opener like

[vivid vessel]

i ss at max

[proven ocean]

do u just ss till 3 and then what

do u KS?

[vivid vessel]

i mean if i dont have more ub

you ahve ot ye

[proven ocean]

even with 2 vanish carges?

or

[vivid vessel]

yes

[proven ocean]

ok makes sense

[vivid vessel]

usually uour opener is like

ss to max during your fierst vanish window or whatever

i try to greed bf during opener

but sometimes it cucks me

whatever its the game

[proven ocean]

how

[vivid vessel]

you spend 2/3 ub then ks

[vivid vessel]

sometimes you just get ace procs

so you never ss

basically

and then you are at full cps

[proven ocean]

oh right yea

[vivid vessel]

full ub

and its weird

[frank finch]

new poddy c

just dropped

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel so ideally, u try to force coup then send ur x2 vanish charges, do u send any vanishes out of AR ever?

with 5 buffs no AR for example to get AR etc?

[vivid vessel]

your opener is like , spend ub > ks > spend ub to coup > then vanish > ks > vanish

usually

[tepid skiff]

any juicers know is this still the build on ptr w new tier?

[vivid vessel]

you dont vanish out of adr unless you died kinda

[tepid skiff]

or u guys playin somethin else on there now or just any early ideas abt changes

[vivid vessel]

thats ho cuh wtf

[proven ocean]

thats ho cuh wtf

[tepid skiff]

ok i just copied from faq lmfao

[vivid vessel]

james been living under a rock its so over

wait

[tepid skiff]

wait

i thought i copied kir

[proven ocean]

wait

[frank finch]

wait

[vivid vessel]

here

you can play this

moving slieght to loaded dice cause you are losing the tier set

[proven ocean]

CQQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAM2mBjZGzMzYYGegxMzMMzMz0yMmtZAAAAAAY2WGzgZmxCsMbDAAAAzMDAGzmhhMwswCtwmZA

just swap sleight of hand to loaded dice

[tepid skiff]

idk anyways

ok this one

[vivid vessel]

ye

and you move sleight to loaded

[tepid skiff]

okok

[random stirrup]

2fth noob

[vivid vessel]

you go back to rolling with loaded only

[tepid skiff]

yeah ok ok

[proven ocean]

wait

is it 2x fth now

or what

[vivid vessel]

and rolling with loaded on cd

[vivid vessel]

thats 1

[proven ocean]

nvm

thats raid

mb

ngl zac

precise cuts is giga ass broken rn

impossible to drop

its like reverse funnel

[vivid vessel]

ye its quite good i think

[random stirrup]

cant be raid doesnt have ghostly

no wei

[vivid vessel]

or its a soft cap at 1

[proven ocean]

am i stupid or how is FTH giving up to 6cp not 7 with broadside?

i love this alot but why

oh

1x fth fires 1 less shot

right

or

cuz thats what it feels like sort of

[vivid vessel]

2 cp is ps + qd thjen + 1 for the fth shot , then its + 1 + 1 for broadside

[bright lodge]

Would you rather overcap or send low cp coup given you will not lose any unseen charges?

[proven ocean]

idk if i swap to dwarf i hope next season doesnt require some cringe nightelf shit

[hallow spoke]

Is HO that far behind now?

[vivid vessel]

(ps + qd ) + bs + fth + bs

[proven ocean]

in m+ yea

KiR undersims in m+

imo

[vivid vessel]

nightelf is more damage technically tho

[proven ocean]

by alot

[proven ocean]

is it

why

[vivid vessel]

cause its a vnaish

[proven ocean]

u mean the crackshot thing its kinda scuffed zac

i'll try to make it work tho

[vivid vessel]

i mean people make it works

[proven ocean]

rly

[vivid vessel]

wox does it on cd

mewo does it

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

its quite ahead

on paper

[proven ocean]

hmm

i see

[knotty needle]

nah play greenskin whiskers become ungovernable

[proven ocean]

idk about mewo i dont trust him much

can ask wox i guess

@analog fog bro

wox guy

send us ur giga ass nightelf macro cuh

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

cuz

i use

this

[vivid vessel]

i dont understand the question

[hallow spoke]

ig it's time to learn kir

[analog fog]

#showtooltip
/stopattack
/stopattack
/cleartarget
/cast shadowmeld
/cancelaura shadowmeld
/cast stealth
/targetlasttarget

[ripe ibex]

idk if this is real or not but i also turn away from the mobs when i meld and it seems to work more often

[proven ocean]

how do u use it

do u like

just spam it and it stealths u?

or do u try to be away from ur target

or what exactly

[craggy barn]

brief rogue metnion on poddy c

huge

[proven ocean]

where

[craggy barn]

"they changed ks its goated" tldr

then they moved on

[bright lodge]

Imagine csenario: you are 3/4 coup > KS > SS and now you have coup but you are 3-4/7 on cp. Would you use AR or BF to max coup or send it low and go full cp vanish right after?

[craggy barn]

https://youtu.be/HLqjYkEWeVo?t=4047

[vivid vessel]

ye i build with hwatever i can

if you are at 4 cp already tho

im not wasting a bf or adr

just finish whatever

[analog fog]

just spam

[mighty pivot]

brief mention with a lie that it only hits in front of you

[tepid skiff]

WTF

no more grapple AND shadowstep?

[vivid vessel]

no

[frank finch]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

but you have 2 grapples

fair trade if you ask me

its very fun

[frank finch]

4 with fb

[vivid vessel]

grapple out grapple in

ye i mean 4 is useless

2 tho

very cool

[frank finch]

[covert kestrel]

Tell that to the nerds when I'm first across the bridge in amridrassil

[bright lodge]

I don’t want killing spree rework. I like having seizure side effect, I like a bit of break in gameplay. I would miss old Killing Spree 😭

[frank finch]

[tender wedge]

If you like the break in gameplay I have excellent news for you

[covert kestrel]

Get back to the wowhead comments

https://tenor.com/view/snail-get-out-leave-outta-here-always-sunny-gif-17529618

[tender wedge]

Send him all the way back to allakhazam imo

[bright lodge]

Why would you want it gone, except it’s being the reason of 90% your deaths?

And unusable in other situations?

[vivid vessel]

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[bright lodge]

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to

[vivid vessel]

idk if you are serious or not

[bright lodge]

I am. Would you vote for KS to stay if it would provide full immunity?

[midnight granite]

No

[vivid vessel]

no

[bright lodge]

Ok

[vivid vessel]

you still die when you land

[crisp condor]

That's enough rolls for supercharger and good chances at 5 buff?

[vivid vessel]

you still dont understand whats happening

cant kick

cant cc

cant do anyuthing

[vivid vessel]

thats what was way better before tier yes

[bright lodge]

Fair point

[vivid vessel]

so ye

thats what we are going to be doing

very most likely

like 95% chance

99%

99.5%

[worldly shale]

sunflower, maybe a gurl

get in

[crisp condor]

How does Loaded work. Like does it delete the 1 buff rolls from the table and therefore 5 buff becomes more likely, or do all the 1 buff rolls on the roll table just become 2 buff rolls and 5 buff is unaffected?

[vivid vessel]

i think thats how it worked

but thats not how it works now

@fathom bramble

now its just a garanted 2 buff

no more chance of 5 buff

[fathom bramble]

yes

it use to remove 1 buff chance and therefor raise 5 buff to 1/20

now it just replaces all 1 buff chance with 2

[crisp condor]

So the "at least two" is a lie?

[vivid vessel]

no

but if you roll a 1 its a 2

if you roll a 2 its a 2

if you roll a 5 its a 5

before it was doing a

[crisp condor]

Oh you just mean no more increased chance of 5 buff

[vivid vessel]

if you roll a 1

we roll again

so it increased the chance of rolling a 5 buff

[crisp condor]

Got it

[vivid vessel]

yes

[crisp condor]

Thanks

[red zinc]

got my resi 19

[proven ocean]

fuck fair trades

outlaw no shadowstep is cringe

it is what it is tho

rogue spec cant be rogue

[vivid vessel]

eh

i love doube graplple

[proven ocean]

brain fucked logic whoever did that change no cappi cuh

how about

[vivid vessel]

i would do it again if asked

[proven ocean]

step

doubl

egrppaling

?

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

tahts good

[proven ocean]

[red zinc]

i remember u complaining about quad grapple overlaps

mf did not need 4 grapples

[vivid vessel]

i complain when things are bugged

you were sending double grapple

[wide flare]

it's fun in bgs tho

[vivid vessel]

pressing it once

basically

so

ye

i complained

also i like complaining ?

nothjing new

[red zinc]

baseg

me trying to get into zeross key

[wide flare]

that's just comes natural when you're french hehe

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel zac

when is ptr m+

like

they said

this week but

idk when?

[keen belfry]

i need help

[proven ocean]

i didnt recall

awang dont ask for help

ask for help

[keen belfry]

im being mass reported by random players for bug abusing in keys for my dmg

[proven ocean]

weait thats the same thing

nvm

[frank finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/the-war-within-season-3-dungeon-testing-schedule-2119702

[keen belfry]

what is going on here

[proven ocean]

NA players

[frank finch]

2marow

[proven ocean]

WTF

TMRW

OMGOGMOGMGOMGHOMGOGM

GOMGMGOG

GM

OGM

GMOMG

GOMKOGM

GOMGM

GOMG

MOGM

GOM

TIME TO PUMP THE SHIT OUT OF PTR

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

NO CAPPI CUH

GOD DAAAMN

[frank finch]

do we know if new KS benefits from heavy hitter?

[proven ocean]

wdym

its a finisher isnt it

[frank finch]

but generates cp?

idk

[proven ocean]

does it

idk

didnt try new ks

[frank finch]

yea it gives back cp

[random stirrup]

probably

[vivid vessel]

lol

it wont

guys

heavy hitter

doesnt work with half our normal builders

it aint working with ks

aint no way

forget about it

these shits never works

theyu always forget

about these interactions

[frank finch]

[keen belfry]

guys

there is agroup of players

trying to get me banned for dps exploiting

[vivid vessel]

based af my man '

keep going

[glass mortar]

We are legion. U will be stopped before u steal a title spot with ur filthy game abuse

The anti awangangang arc is here

[keen belfry]

im just like

baffled

LMAO

[glass mortar]

😠

[keen belfry]

it stems from doing 18mil on a CB first pull apparently

[random stirrup]

Kingsbane worked with lethality though

It’s not really a traditional generator

[keen belfry]

i seriously dont think my ego will ever recover

it is too inflated right now

[red zinc]

You used double cudgel didnt you

Cheater

https://youtube.com/shorts/KGhMK2eiEB8?si=OQef0a9vmK8Tyse3

[covert kestrel]

Is it the venereal disease gang

[keen belfry]

no clue lmao

apparently some warrior

and his group

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry no shot

[keen belfry]

we need to figure out who

[ripe ibex]

gotta just type “one sec need to find a critter rq” before every key

[spring wraith]

hello, im new to rogue, does anyone have useful macros for debloating the keybinds of the spec and any useful weakaura recommendations ?

[ripe ibex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[spring wraith]

oh cool ty

[ripe ibex]

i’d recommend the zac one

[tepid skiff]

how important is it to track this unseen blade icd on builders

or do u just want to track the fazed debuff since its up 24/7 since u ks 24/7 or whatever whatever

[frank finch]

now that we get it alot more , more important to trACK THEN EVER

oops caps

[tepid skiff]

shouldnt it be the opposite

like if ur spam getting it then the natural proc doesnt matter cuz theyre alraedy fazed?

or is there something else i didnt read

[frank finch]

its for coup

[ripe ibex]

you want to track how many guaranteed ub you have

[frank finch]

more ub = more coup = more cdr

[pliant wave]

Is the Precise Cuts talent additive or multiplicative?

[ripe ibex]

and flawless form

[tepid skiff]

yeah but cant u just track coup? or like this just ever so slightly gives u a heads up that ur rabout to go from 3 coup to 4 so u can like pre account for the extra cdr on ur finisher or something?

[keen belfry]

are u online rn

[ripe ibex]

no you would change your rotation based on how many guaranteed ub you have

[frank finch]

u cant stack to coup if ur not using ur ub

zac would explain better he is king

[tepid skiff]

i was just fkin around on ptr but theres too much stuff thats not quite right w the new ui so i sent off all the notes and then once theyre in then ill log in tmrw and actually play

[ripe ibex]

oh that’s jpc

[tepid skiff]

like i did a new ui for dk and its goated but i just havent played rogue

so theres a lot thats extra or unnecessary etc

gotta get that sorted then i can learn the class again

[frank finch]

yea the tracing is not good enough atm to track ub

u also get so many that it feels clunky

[keen belfry]

msg when on tomorrow

[frank finch]

we want them add to ub comsum,ption to ps

[tepid skiff]

W

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry are you playing ptr

[keen belfry]

ive hit the dummies a few times

[random stirrup]

It’s a pretty significant gain to prioritize sinister strike to burn through your ub procs asap

[ripe ibex]

does elvui work on ptr yet

[random stirrup]

when you otherwise would use other builders

[tepid skiff]

ohhhh so like if u had pistol shot procs, but u have an unseen blade, ud wanna ss and overcap on pistol shot procs to use the ub, but u couldnt know that if u didnt have the ub tracked

[keen belfry]

uhhh no clue i just use WA and details

[tepid skiff]

also

just if it wasnt clear

[ripe ibex]

yes

[tepid skiff]

i know u should track ub

[random stirrup]

Or you might want to sinister strike at max cp if you’re 1 proc away from coup so you can insta coup -> vanish

[tepid skiff]

what im talking about is this like pre emptive predictor thingy

[tepid skiff]

this

[ripe ibex]

only overcap on ps in kir tho

[tepid skiff]

like i know u should track ub, im asking if this predictive thing is relevant if ur just proccing ubs 24/7 anyways

[vivid vessel]

I mean

that weak aura is prolly complelty bricked now

[tepid skiff]

[vivid vessel]

with the new tier set proccing ub

soo

[proven ocean]

basically never track fazed

[tepid skiff]

W

[vivid vessel]

will see if it can get fixed

or if its relevant

[proven ocean]

u can add it on ur tracker

but

like

[vivid vessel]

ye fazed is mostly useless to track

[proven ocean]

dont worry about it now till ur very very comfortable on outlaw

[vivid vessel]

just dont coup on a new target if you didnt spend an ub basically

[proven ocean]

because its very very rare u need to coup a non fazed mob

[ripe ibex]

yeah that’s the only reason i even track it

[proven ocean]

tracking fazed is only important for subtlety

[vivid vessel]

i dont track it tbh

i just know to not coujp on a new mob

until i either ksed

or spend an ub

[proven ocean]

u do tho

u probably just dont see it maybe

its useless to look at it anyway

[vivid vessel]

i do not no

[proven ocean]

ffazed?

[vivid vessel]

i track my debuffs on my target, but i dont really look at that at all

ye

[proven ocean]

im 100% sure i saw it

on ur package

[vivid vessel]

on plates?

i dont think so

no

i dont track fazed

only for sub i do

[proven ocean]

First stream i open too

[ripe ibex]

ross bro…

[lament locust]

bro

[proven ocean]

what bro

dont bro me

thats fazed

[lament locust]

thats not fazed

[ripe ibex]

[proven ocean]

what is it then

[random stirrup]

[red zinc]

thats guaranteed UB

[proven ocean]

my balls?

[red zinc]

Every 20s

[lament locust]

unseen blades

[red zinc]

timer

[proven ocean]

its literally fazed timer

u guys are just yapping

[lament locust]

cuh

the fazed debuff and UB procs are not the same

[proven ocean]

absolute yapping noobs

[random stirrup]

A real outlaw would know that 8s of fazed would be more than half the duration

[proven ocean]

its the same icon

[random stirrup]

Too much assa for u cuh

[red zinc]

ye

Zac just made it that image

The orange stripes are the coup stacks you have

[proven ocean]

i c i c

[red zinc]

and the timer is when you get your next guaranteed UB

[proven ocean]

oo ee

i see

[red zinc]

Blue stripes would be on top when you have one from ks

[proven ocean]

cuh

[red zinc]

buh vs cuh

[proven ocean]

even if it aint fazed chat

[red zinc]

[proven ocean]

ur all wrong anyway

yappers

ur all wrong m

[lament locust]

damn you got me there

[red zinc]

ross dps race me in 20 ml tomorrow

[proven ocean]

bet

[red zinc]

i definitely only care about the dps race

not the score

[proven ocean]

whats the prize pool

for who wins

[red zinc]

uh

ill share the illegal eldritch technologies with you

For belt

[vivid vessel]

wdym zac made it the same image

thats litteraly the icon

[proven ocean]

told u zac

this chat is full of yappers

[vivid vessel]

waht do yiou guys read here

unseen blade

[proven ocean]

wjat illegal technoglkogoleies

?

[red zinc]

gotta win to find out

[proven ocean]

i dont even use the belt brotherman

belt is for noobs

[red zinc]

secret 0.2% dps minmax

[proven ocean]

u know that i'll win right

i never lose dps races that easily

[red zinc]

I know that ill have 15 more points after

[proven ocean]

i see what it is about now

[red zinc]

[proven ocean]

what spec u wanna dps race me on

choose any

[red zinc]

Anything for that insane m+ title man

Tmyee the Enterprising Hero

[proven ocean]

wait u want the fucking title

lmaoaoaooao i forgot the title exists

[red zinc]

no its dogshit

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel zac u think we get the title?

or need more io?

[vivid vessel]

not you

washed up

[proven ocean]

dont not you me you fuck

[red zinc]

no im buying 3939 on 1300 characters

so you dont get title

only 1.6mil€

[proven ocean]

not bad

even if u pay that much i doubt you'l make it anyway

[pliant wave]

@vivid vessel Is the Precise Cuts talent additive or multiplicative?

[red zinc]

i mean if there were boosting sources that went that high and I was an oil prince I could definitely time all 20s and a 21 ml

[vivid vessel]

additive

[red zinc]

thats like 3880 or smth

[vivid vessel]

trickster is mult

[proven ocean]

its ballsitive which means each targets puts his cock straight up ur mouth

jk

[red zinc]

Weirdge

[ripe ibex]

i love trickster

[proven ocean]

i didnt mean it ok

[vivid vessel]

Real answer yes

[red zinc]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[covert kestrel]

are we at the point of the night where zeross cant get dudes off his mind

[vivid vessel]

Oof old command

[red zinc]

i transfer my gayness

[proven ocean]

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-goon-gif-5902471035652079804

[red zinc]

to him

gay by proxy

type shit

[proven ocean]

still 0% gay

[red zinc]

lashga homophobic as hell but also gay

He getting bent over by floodgate every day

[vivid vessel]

Being 0% gay is actually a mega loser move

Can't enjoy the good things

[proven ocean]

dude why is episode 5 so boring

[vivid vessel]

Of what

[proven ocean]

season 2 better call saul

[red zinc]

im watching all of supernatural while in queue this season

im already on season 5

[vivid vessel]

Ye speedran that mf wtf

I'm watching that other serie ross

With the batman guy

[proven ocean]

moibland?

[vivid vessel]

Hmhmmmgmhmmgmhmh gmmhmhmmg

[proven ocean]

or penguin

[vivid vessel]

That guy

[red zinc]

buhman

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

penguin

?>

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

Mobladn

[gaunt phoenix]

Hmhmmmgmhmmgmhmh gmmhmhmmg

[proven ocean]

oh

[keen belfry]

man better call saul is top 2 show all time

[old stratus]

I just started it a few weeks ago, am now on episode 8 :)

[proven ocean]

mobland