outlaw

[worldly shale]

it does, alot i think?

were they talking about st?

[prisma vessel]

i thought M+ aoe, idk now...

[red zinc]

this thing is lowkey good on outlaw

mastery guy rejoice

@proven ocean why does this thing proc so much lmfao

just hitting dummies it procs every like 40s

if shit dies itll proc even more

[crisp condor]

Hero track? So is that some delve shit?

[red zinc]

Yes

[crisp condor]

Can't wait for it to be BiS on several classes I play and impossible to get like Energy Drink/Mechano core

[narrow verge]

Hey guys kinda new to rogue and outlaw specifically but how 'perfect' can you get your rotation down? I'm struggling to react to procs/cp regen sometimes and end up overcapping or spending too early sometimes

Its really fast paced to what im used to 😅

[vivid vessel]

less

[proper bear]

Weak auras help increase your awareness to things. Also some of the things we gotta track is less intense now. Takes practice - reading the guides / rotation prio helps

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix yesterday my split damage belt stopped working and i didnt realize, today i login, do a key, and its still not working

[desert tendon]

Litteraly the reason why i m quitting this game

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe you have to reequip it

ok so charged bolts is dead, charged crystal doesnt work, and the stat procs are < 1% dps

do we even use it

[crisp condor]

Is that at 691 or max ilvl?

[gaunt phoenix]

both

[crisp condor]

Nice

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/you-joke-not-affected-i-dont-care-jokes-gif-13579335

[hasty warren]

yo pirates

[dim widget]

we were clearly too overpowered with it

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[dim widget]

[limpid plank]

what?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's just the tooltip

[vivid vessel]

why are you still using this shit

io get a cancer everytime i look at any event item from blizzard

no cap

[dim widget]

same

[vivid vessel]

cant wati for the cloak next tier

[dim widget]

dont remind me pls

[torpid fiber]

they're removing secondaries next patch so they changed some items to make sure they'll work (/jk)

[limpid plank]

cause im playing on NA on a completely new character and this ring is better than any hero ring for me

[dim widget]

except

it gives you 0 secondaries

mb, gives you 315 crit, didnt see that

[hasty warren]

pick

peak

@wintry solar u're back to outlaw again ?

[wintry solar]

ye

[vivid vessel]

i touhgt you gave up on outlaw

dk main or smth

[wintry solar]

that lasted I think 2 weeks

[torpid fiber]

Has anyone ever truly quit outlaw

[mighty pivot]

combat rogue enjoyers

[wintry solar]

theyre on classic now

do people play combat in classic?

maybe not as many because cata daggers

[mighty pivot]

the legendary daggers work for combat they buff SS damage to allow that

[wintry solar]

they made all those class changes to mop classic and I was hoping theyd change the CP system

[sharp moat]

!belt

[civic zephyr]

Hey when do you guys pop trinkets or pots in keys? Is it off CD? And do you guys macro them to anything?

[limpid plank]

on bosses for me

[civic zephyr]

I feel like outlaw doesnt really have CDs lol

Unlike assassination

So i feel like im just pressing them randomly

[mighty pivot]

you feel like? it literally doesn't have cds

[haughty moat]

u use them when u need damage

nothing to line with

[civic zephyr]

Ok, so like on CD basically?

[mighty pivot]

you can wait for a gigaroll if you want but that's risky

[haughty moat]

ya like amp phases like rookery last boss

[civic zephyr]

Gotcha, ok thank you

[tribal swan]

Any word on what will be our goto belt option?

[haughty moat]

maybe normal belt

[rotund zodiac]

Hi chat

[cobalt mist]

is the fb tier set actually good or are we fulltime trickster in s3?

[cinder relic]

Way too early to know

[vivid vessel]

I think fb helps one of outlaw weakness

which is uptime in raid

so its kinda cool

hard to say if its good numerically tho

[haughty moat]

the real question is, will HO die again without the current tier set ?

[vivid vessel]

it wasbnt dead

and both ho and kir ended up gaining the same mostly

ho slightly more i htink

but not that much

[haughty moat]

i dunno ho without 5buffs kinda sucks

[vivid vessel]

and i think its healtier for kir to be a bit more ahead

especially in raid

rn kir is behind in raid

i dont think that should be the case ever

[cinder relic]

This convo happens every tier and they and up being close together by the time the actual tier comes out so

Idk

[vivid vessel]

considering kir is kir

[haughty moat]

yeah kir should be ahead

[vivid vessel]

so it might swap around

[fossil lintel]

When I tested fatebound the tail coin was doing some work

So I agree with solo's theory that the extra coin + GS triggering it may be huge

[hallow spoke]

What's the pre key command

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[hallow spoke]

oh ty

[vivid vessel]

yes

its hard to like

get a feel

of it

I mean if blizzard doesnt fuck up

[fossil lintel]

Yeah it's pretty hidden

[vivid vessel]

we are playing coin in raid

and trickster in m +

which would be goated

i would love that

[fossil lintel]

That would be nice yeah

[vivid vessel]

i wanna keep perma tricks in m+

that talent is sooo good for outlaw

[fossil lintel]

They could give coin law something for aoe

[vivid vessel]

naaah

i think its fine

for it to be raid only

its very bad in m+

keeping the coin up

i dont wanna deal with that

[fossil lintel]

I don't mean make it better, but at least close the gap a bit

[vivid vessel]

• the damage profile is terrible

i would rather it stays a raid thing only

[fossil lintel]

Like be 4% behind instead of 10%

[vivid vessel]

at least in raid its good

or like it matters less

[gaunt phoenix]

it also forces ghostly strike which is slightly awkward

for HO

[fossil lintel]

Eh it felt like the coin was proccing pretty consistently in like 10 seconds

[vivid vessel]

ye

[vivid vessel]

brother

[fossil lintel]

Oh HO can die in a fire though

[vivid vessel]

you would still not ever lose the capstone tho

there is no way

even if it procs in 10s

you realize how long 10s is in m+

you would still be forced to do cringe shit to maintain it

i dont wanna

• perma tricks is trickster

[fossil lintel]

Yeah perma tricks is goated

[fading hatch]

This alone is enough for me to never play fatebound

Unless its legit like 20% better which it never will be

[gaunt phoenix]

i suspect HO supercharger will still be a thing but you roll for certain 2 buff combos

like RP + tb/bs/snc

idk

[fossil lintel]

Bs + tb makes the spec feel so nice, it's sad that RP is still better

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm ready to sim ! ! !

[fossil lintel]

Wait, what? Did you already implement the changes?

[gaunt phoenix]

no i dont do that

[fossil lintel]

Who does that?

[gaunt phoenix]

kojiyama

he doesnt type outside of tc much anymore

[vivid vessel]

what will we become

if he ever goes away

[gaunt phoenix]

also levy did fatebound stuffs

[vivid vessel]

[fading hatch]

Manual simmers

Hit target dummy for 5min 10k times and tell us what was better

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix , add that coins consume cb and that ks get canceled by coins in the bug list

[fossil lintel]

I need to get into simc coding, keep putting it off

[vivid vessel]

otherwise i will forget again

[gaunt phoenix]

i would take up the mantle for outlaw stuff

im not coding sin sub shit though

[gaunt phoenix]

aight

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel did u watc h better call saul

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

its super giga good cuh

no cap

[gaunt phoenix]

tails only consumes cb with ks yes?

[vivid vessel]

isnt it like

[proven ocean]

9.0 imdb rating

[vivid vessel]

hm

idk

[proven ocean]

u know that

not many shows

have that

right zac

?

[vivid vessel]

i never tried doing dispatch > cb > coin

or is coin too fast

to even do that

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

its just very easy to do with ks since ks doesnt consume cb but benefit from it

[proven ocean]

coin is alright but u cant track it i think zac

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[fossil lintel]

Imagine they buff KS enough that FB picks it

[proven ocean]

unless u make WA

or someshit

[fossil lintel]

That would suuuck

[vivid vessel]

isnt it a continuation of the meth cooker guy

serie

which i never finished

[proven ocean]

not rly a continuation

[fossil lintel]

It's a prequel

[vivid vessel]

prequel is before ?

[proven ocean]

kinda

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

its rly good

[vivid vessel]

it is

[proven ocean]

ye

[fossil lintel]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

sequel is after

ok

maybe i watch

[proven ocean]

im enjoying it alot

[gaunt phoenix]

im gonna test this on ptr

[vivid vessel]

well there cant be an after he ded

[proven ocean]

idk

double jeoprady is new

or what

whats that

[vivid vessel]

coin stuffs

[gaunt phoenix]

it's an old bug but probably hasnt been tested in 16 months

[vivid vessel]

i just tought about something

now that we have to go loaded again

our opener is back to being scuffed

since adr breaks stealth

xdd

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it will be GS > AR

[vivid vessel]

well that doesnt matter

you still need to rtb after

which is scuffed

[gaunt phoenix]

oh sure

[vivid vessel]

this one is also still bugged

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

also these bugs are live bugs technically

jsuit that they dont matter

[sharp hinge]

Zac, what enchant for the belt are we running

[gaunt phoenix]

on reset, charged bolts is dead, charged crystal randomly stops working, the stat buffs are like 0.5% dps

[vivid vessel]

ye

maybe we just dont play

the cringe belt

[gaunt phoenix]

i will go back to haste belt

[sharp hinge]

how much is the nerf

[vivid vessel]

too much

for something that was already bad

idk why they did that

if at least they would fix it and make it only target your target

but no

so

its just bad

[gaunt phoenix]

its still happening

[fossil lintel]

I can see why that would be a pain to fix

They probably just check when you gain a stack if you have 7 stacks and that's it

[gaunt phoenix]

it's always been strange, the lucky coin has like a 800ms delay

after getting the 7th coin

before it actually happens

[fossil lintel]

Otherwise they need to keep track if that stack has already procced the coin

[gaunt phoenix]

like what is it processing to cause such a delay

[fossil lintel]

Is there an animation?

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[vivid vessel]

?

why would they do that when you can get 2 at a time

[gaunt phoenix]

other than the coin itself

[vivid vessel]

just check everytime your stacks changes lol

if you are above 7

that doesnt seem too hard to me

[fossil lintel]

Because otherwise they need to keep in memory if a stack has already given you the lucky coin or not

[balmy parcel]

so who else thinks the new killing spree is horrible

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, but if they check for 7 or above, you would proc at 7 and then at 8 and at 9

[vivid vessel]

ok keep in memory that you procced?

are we limited

or what

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, not sure how their stuff work and how easy is it to append more data onto a buff

[vivid vessel]

or you legfit just do the math everytime

so

function AddCoin (ammount)
currentCoin
if current coin + amount >7 and current coin < 7
proc lucky coin cuh

how hard can it be

you know

[dawn talon]

you could do this with three event flags

[dawn talon]

but this is prob lower runtime per calculation

[vivid vessel]

look idk how wow is coded

but lets not act

as if it was impossible

[fossil lintel]

It shouldn't be hard but the lazy way is to just check for 7 😂

[vivid vessel]

to do this thing guys

[fossil lintel]

And all programmers are lazy

[vivid vessel]

ye well if it doesnt work

maybe ?

not good ?

[glass mortar]

me when the already rare proc is made more rare by the fact that its just bugged

[fossil lintel]

Eh only some nerds in a discord complain about it

[glass mortar]

this tier makes it proc at the rate it shoulda always procced at

if we are being honest

🙂

[dawn talon]

but like in the case of outlaw

the nerds in the discord

aree the primary population of the spec

[balmy parcel]

so with the new killing spree the negative compared to the old are. worse damage cacuse it has no default single target anymore, is even easier to disrupt now that if the main target leaves the 8 yard range it just auto cancels the ability, its lost its root/snare removal, and lastky somehow has worse range even thoe it uses guns now instead of the melee sword verison.

[dawn talon]

like there are mage players who are good & do not interact with the mage tc community at all

[glass mortar]

it doesnt cancel it just keeps casting and not hitting stuff till u get back in range

[dawn talon]

but the outlaw tc community is for the most part just the high level outlaw community

[fossil lintel]

There's probably one outlaw out there that is good and isn't here

[vivid vessel]

the only thing that is bad in your list is the random targeting

everything else

is irrelevant ?

[glass mortar]

it even still gens cps

u just lose the damage

[vivid vessel]

just say in melee (its 8 hard its bigger than melee thats already cool)

[glass mortar]

its probably fine skill expression

[fossil lintel]

There's a guy cooking new builds all the time who isn't here, he's out there testing 38% haste

[dawn talon]

i mean there's ofc the cn players but that's it

[vivid vessel]

if you arent in melee you arent bfing anyway

[glass mortar]

since u can move and grapple during it

[dawn talon]

& they have their own tc community

[balmy parcel]

so the fact it looses root removal and just auto cancels is a goot thing @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

the anti snare thing was legit just cause ks was ks

who cares

[covert kestrel]

This reads like a YouTube comment

[vivid vessel]

what is auto cancel

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt cancel itself

[fossil lintel]

We have the bridge with them with bac

[balmy parcel]

yes it does

[glass mortar]

the anti snare thing is a little sad to lose but not even remotely worth keeping the teleports for

[vivid vessel]

its a bug with fatebound

[dawn talon]

also when are you ever going to lose range on a target

even w/ 20% slow

[gaunt phoenix]

it gets canceled by fatebound tails coin atm

[dawn talon]

when u have 100 trillion% movespeed on 100% uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

but not range

[vivid vessel]

I think the root removal was the only positive thing abuot old ks, and i understand having that when the ability was what it is, i dont think we need to have it on the new ks ?

there is no reason for it

[balmy parcel]

i can tell u over 100 different ways you will lost range in pvp

[vivid vessel]

anyway it was so niche

ah

you are pvp guy

well

[glass mortar]

it did get worse in pvp

[vivid vessel]

unfortunatly

no one cares about pvp

[glass mortar]

not much todo about it

[fossil lintel]

Old KS is really nice in priory

[vivid vessel]

this is a change for pve

[glass mortar]

well there is some stuff they could do

[fossil lintel]

And it's coming back

[dawn talon]

oh yeah if ur talking about pvp

[glass mortar]

outlaw had 2 pvp talents taken from it

[dawn talon]

sure

[glass mortar]

didnt get any back

[dawn talon]

but just give us a pvp talent

[glass mortar]

should be a new kspree pvp talent

[wintry solar]

Dfa exists so its fine

[dawn talon]

that turns it back into old ks?

[vivid vessel]

i did not understand you were coming from pvp

[glass mortar]

gives u cc immunity during kspree or something

[vivid vessel]

my apologies

(this is a pve channel tho so )

thing is

the abiltiy was turbo bad in pve

[fossil lintel]

He's an outlaw he doesn't care about your channel rules

[vivid vessel]

ye

well

unfortunatly

no one cares about pvp so

[dawn talon]

imagine u have to play with outlaw as a low level/semi-casual player

[wintry solar]

unfortunatly

[fossil lintel]

True

[dawn talon]

and they tp the aoe dmg in theatre

on top of ur guy

and u just get ticked for 30% bc ur in like 590 gear from last season

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[dawn talon]

HAHHAHA

[proven ocean]

i swear u have to see better call saul @vivid vessel

[dawn talon]

no way ur this late to better call saul zeross

[proven ocean]

I KNOW EVEN ZAC IS LATE

ITS SO FUCKIGN GOOD HAHAHAHHA

IM AT EPISODE 4 RN

ITS A BANGER ASS BANG CUH

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

[vivid vessel]

haha

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

i will watch maybe

[fossil lintel]

Zeross, you're gonna love breaking bad then

[edgy phoenix]

not even the best part

[proven ocean]

I did i did

ngl im enjoying this as much

its so good

[edgy phoenix]

whens the boys last sez

[slim matrix]

whats the best outlaw belt enchant/proc?

[proven ocean]

theres no way season 1 better call saul is the worst one

its so fucking good and its the worst one

crazy ass

[edgy phoenix]

its crazy show

still heating up atp so yea

later better

[proven ocean]

insane

[fossil lintel]

This week it's charged bolt

[proven ocean]

i've been looking for a tv show like this all my life

lmao

[fossil lintel]

Next week it's back to 684 belt

[slim matrix]

why?

[fossil lintel]

They are nerfing the shit out of charged bolt on reset

[slim matrix]

but isnt the rest or something else still bnetter?

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw message

[slim matrix]

ty

[frail veldt]

Nice so I don't have to farm belt

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

if u watch better call saul

let me know once u see the sex toilet

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

this shit is funny as hell

[novel socket]

do we know which belt enchantment will be the new bis after the weekly nerf to charged bolt ?

[civic zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[lucid vale]

I echo this question

[red zinc]

none

equip 684 belt

[hybrid crown]

Keep in mind the belt will jump up some more ilvl s over the next few weeks. I bet at max the belt will at least beat out a 684

[covert kestrel]

Reject borrowed power, return to 684

[fossil lintel]

Weren't the Sims already done at 701?

[craggy barn]

ye

[gritty marlin]

You guys use "Charged Bolts" on the Waist?
Doesn't it hit you out of stealth?

[honest sparrow]

You can use a macro to avoid that

[gritty marlin]

Ahhh, you happen to know which one?
I read it somewhere

[honest sparrow]

/cancelaura Charged Bolts
/cast Stealth

Was in the pins but its a bit down there now because so much new with ptr

[gritty marlin]

Thank you!

[late swallow]

BCS is a banger

lalo salamanca is bis

[keen belfry]

any guesses as to why my logout/exit game buttons arent working

[prisma vessel]

game crashed

bad internet

idk.

[keen belfry]

0/2.

lunchmeat.

[prisma vessel]

what does 0/2 mean xD

[keen belfry]

0 for 2 on guesses

[prisma vessel]

oh

hmmmm

addon interference?

blizzard turned off feature?

[keen belfry]

its probs move anything addon

let me disable maybe

[prisma vessel]

yeah that one really messes with my frames

[keen belfry]

moveanything gives so many luas

[prisma vessel]

yeah

[keen belfry]

we unequipping the belt next week chat?

[novel socket]

how bad is fatebound on mythic mug ?

progress is a circus with killing spree

[fierce plume]

/wa

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[keen belfry]

how much effective dmg do we lose on first boss of WS when add is spawned? 5%? @gaunt phoenix

i keep pinging solo

[granite merlin]

So when all the addons get trucked out of existence am I going to have to learn all the dice combinations

[vivid vessel]

dice combinations have not mattered

since

sl

[granite merlin]

Ugh I need to unpin my shadowlands outlaw guide :/

[vale warren]

damn i thought i got rank 1 on mug from the details damage but then i found out the adds dont count

[vivid vessel]

ppader padding gg

[vale warren]

only rank 5 im washed :(

[vapid sundial]

shut up u padder

zac

u pad so much

pad dn

[icy hare]

You're better off playing Killing Spree but not using it when the mines are out

Then playing Fatebound

[novel socket]

damn

[civic zephyr]

not sure if i did this right, i wanted to sim trashmasters vs if i craft a cloak vs if i craft a 2nd crafted ring to replaced circlet. (i can only craft 1 681 piece right now) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dukcZWaEohqajMQSdW6Q83

[royal bane]

Hello, sorry if this get asked often. Is it suboptimal to rely on the RTB weak aura by Muropaketti or similar one ? Should I try to learn how to reroll by myself ?

[keen belfry]

yes

[daring oxide]

Learn or you’ll be a dummy forever

[prisma vessel]

are the rerolls spec specific?

[covert kestrel]

Ye

HO is reroll til 5 buffs, KiR has more rules

[vale warren]

do we wait for ratfang toxin to stack or just chuck it on cd

[prisma vessel]

oh thats what ive been doing, sweet

[vale warren]

oh its not rppm you just hit it 5 times and it stacks i see

[royal bane]

alright, I don't want to be a dummy

[last veldt]

hi all, sub/assa enjoyer here trying to learn outlaw

i know vanish is supposed to be used to maintain AR, but if I lose AR uptime, is there a role for vanishing to get AR off cooldown earlier and minimize downtime? Or would that just fuck up my vanish windows in the future and cause AR to fall off again?

[glass mortar]

nope you only vanish with ar up

[quaint sable]

We have two charges of vanish meaning it should be p hard for u to overcap vanish when out of ar unless u die

Basically whenever ar is at less than 1s left I am looking to vanish indifferent of what else is going on (assuming AR is on cd.)

[waxen acorn]

Not sure what a good metric is to look for in terms of throughput at a lower ilvl but am I doing decent if I’m finishing keys at 3.3-3.4m at 658?

[vale warren]

if you somehow have 2 mins left on ar and 2 charges of vanish up then send it i guess

[keen belfry]

im streaming

[worldly shale]

depends which key, but think thats alr

[royal bane]

note to self, do not press ks while the first boss of rookery is spinning lasers

[worldly shale]

that one deserves a spank

on 11.2 ill go rook just to ks it until it dies

oh wait theres ptr

brb

[waxen acorn]

Honestly love the new ks animation lmao

[hybrid mesa]

helo frens, has anyone had success vanishing KUJO's leap or are we unlucky on that one? i cant seem to find the right timing

[acoustic nest]

https://medal.tv/de/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/kxSdM0JxGK4uEAx5U?invite=cr-MSxBdkksMTQ4ODc0NjQ5

Hello, i feel like im missing some dmg and can anyone maybe explain me how to do the rotation right Pls ?

[lone spear]

right away a few points:
-you dont need to press blade flurry on single target (which i assume is what you are trying to show).
-you should always prioritize using a finisher at 5 or more points
-you should be vanishing with 5 or more combo points, so you can start using between the eyes straight away
-prioritize audacity ambush procs over pistol shot procs
-with tier set you should be using roll the bones on cooldown until you have 5 buffs

you can look in the #outlaw-faq channel and go to "simplified rotation" for quick reference stuff. i would for sure focus on the basics first, get a feel for the flow.

[subtle field]

as long as im not losing haste taking the delve belt, which im not. Would you recommend to use it?

in m+

[acoustic nest]

thank you !!!

[lone spear]

yea, always use belt

[lone spear]

no worries, if you have more questions feel free to ask

[subtle field]

is the belts stats interchangable? cause sometimes I just sign up as assa, for magic comp if there are no phys comps posted

[lone spear]

the belt doesnt have secondary stats, only main stat and stamina

[subtle field]

interesting, is that literally all it has?

[lone spear]

it has the effect, which yea you can change whenever once you unlock them

[chilly atlas]

it has the diff procs and a gem slot

thats it

[subtle field]

got a link on how to get it perhaps? dont know the exact name of the belt

[lone spear]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/overcharged-delves-unlock-rewards

[subtle field]

thanks brotha

[lone spear]

np, now get delvin boi

[subtle field]

🫠

[keen belfry]

cant wait to equip my crafted belt next week again

[worldly shale]

we still using bolts?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not after reset

[last veldt]

Is roll the bones on CD true for the HO/supercharger builds as well? I think I only saw that under the KIR part in the FAQ but I might be misremembering

[frigid shale]

what we use after reset then ?

[lone spear]

yep

there is small optimizations with waiting a bit if ur on 4

and one is ruthless precision mid crackshot window

or stuff like that

but generally just send on <5

[gaunt phoenix]

so after reset, charged bolts is dead, charged crystal is good but it randomly stops working, and the crit/vers procs are really minimal <1% dps

So the belt kind of sucks and you can not even use it

i miss my haste belt anyway

[lone spear]

real, got bis belt from cinderbrew early in tier, and having to say goodbye hurt

[prisma vessel]

if we had to use the belt, what would be the best option? haste or crit?

maybe vers O.o

wait

im on drugs, just read what solo posted

xD

[last veldt]

Cool thanks

[worldly shale]

So then back to regular belts? XD

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah or can sim and see the vers proc is 0.5% more dps or whatever

[worldly shale]

Opposite of ring, bro lasted 1 week

[lone spear]

eh, if they see people stop using, they will buff again

[stuck patrol]

If it's just outlaw who doesn't use it, they won't buff it

[tender wedge]

Tbh I don’t think they will

[stuck patrol]

And outlaw doesn't scale well with stats

[tender wedge]

They don’t seem to care much after the first tuning pass

[lone spear]

if it is just law ye, they wont touch belt

[naive river]

doesnt the agi alone at max level on the belt make it better?

[red zinc]

no

[mighty pivot]

main stat isn't that super strong this expansion

[frail veldt]

Outlaw is such a low percent of the "people"

[worldly shale]

And i could have taken myth competitors battle cord, instead got socket cuz we got the belt, smh

[frail veldt]

Daaaaamn

You should get a refund for this last month of play

[worldly shale]

owo

[jolly geyser]

I took belt from vault this week,needed it for mog then catalysed it

gains

[naive river]

i have this idk ill sim

[mighty pivot]

tier belt is good yes

[worldly shale]

movespeed tf

[jolly geyser]

now I just need cloak mythic and I got set

[naive river]

i was trying to see how fast i could make my character

[violet ferry]

it's to help you run out of puddles that KS will troll you into when the animation is done

[worldly shale]

i just accept my fate and say fk ks smh

and get cr

ez

[worldly shale]

i got trashmaster in last vault XD

[naive river]

also how much dmg is .15%crit dmg

[jolly geyser]

[worldly shale]

got myth ring too but got 6.5k vers on roulette hc pog

[mighty pivot]

it's 4 times that if you have all non-stamina gems though. it's not much regardless

[plucky chasm]

I cant wait to get my Setup and starting my first rogue, as a 1 year wow player 😍😍😍

OUTLAW

[severe grove]

Gang

Im about to try out Killing Spree on PTR

[mighty pivot]

next tier is looking like a glove offpiece situation

[worldly shale]

it will be like being in a cast

on both legs

for years

and then removing the casts

or like

[stuck timber]

While casting new ks

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[stuck timber]

If I press another skill

Will it stop?

[mighty pivot]

yes but not all

[worldly shale]

Think so yes, even if not that would be good to macro

[mighty pivot]

you can cast some defensives and hook etc

[naive river]

spaming side street sluice hahaha

[worldly shale]

that doesnt stop it tho

[tender wedge]

This mount is so nice

Crazy it comes from edge content

[jolly geyser]

sparky boi

[plucky chasm]

U guys think s3 will Outlaw dominate of all 3 specs ?

[mighty pivot]

yes but they asked if pressing another skill will stop it or not

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/dice-ginny-di-dnd-dice-roll-dice-d6-gif-22051323

[stuck timber]

I think in m+ yes

[plucky chasm]

Yy i mean only M+

[stuck timber]

Don't now about raid tho my parses are shit

[cinder relic]

"idk maybe" is the most accurate answer

Tier sets are going to get a 2nd draft, stuff will get tweaked, trinkets tuned

[jolly geyser]

does higher lvl give more titan shit?

[mighty pivot]

we need to wait and see how the dungeons next season will play

[worldly shale]

is there roll the bones like dices to buy, i just thought of that btw

i can cosplay rtb

while doing rtb ingame

5head

[severe grove]

💔

Wheres the sense of dread after using it?! The Risk of Death?!

Killing Spree no longer kill me 💔 🥀

[stuck timber]

Lol

[unkempt cypress]

U can lay down n pretend to have a seizure to cosplay KS instead

[jolly geyser]

thats wow now

[worldly shale]

or jump from a building

same ending

[stuck timber]

Did u press cloak of shadows instinctively?

[severe grove]

No

I never press CDs during KS

[stuck timber]

I would

[severe grove]

jk

I do

It feels so wrong

but it looks funny

[stuck timber]

My elf looks like miss fortune

Tbh

[jolly geyser]

I kinda wanted to KS to be just t pose shooting a gun

[stuck timber]

Play mm then

Lol

[mighty pivot]

play mm to provide your group with placebo lust

[tender wedge]

Imagine crashing out and getting banned from the server a week before salvation

[haughty wigeon]

rip

[severe grove]

WHAT

Are you going to Killing Spree me 💔

[tender wedge]

Just making a joke about a certain vocal KS unenthusiast who is no longer with us

[severe grove]

Oh

What happened to them

was it me in the shadows Killing Spreeing them

[tender wedge]

Nah the mods finally had enough of his weird rants that touched on some topics you probably want to avoid

[grand shoal]

When watching some kill videos for raid, I was wondering is there a reason why people don’t use all their vanishes in the opener? Of course for resets but they still don’t do it, is there a reason for this ?

[gaunt phoenix]

if they are trickster then KS and Coup have higher priority than Vanish and you try not to use Vanish if KS cooldown is under 20s or so

[kindred token]

guys is it okay to use a dagger in the offhand as outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[kindred token]

ty

[grand shoal]

Why if it’s 20 seconds or less ?

And Ty for the reply

[gaunt phoenix]

Because you cant use killing spree inside stealth windows, so if you vanish while KS is nearly ready then you will lose a ton of CDR on KS

[craggy barn]

when does zac raid, i needa watch his pov of gally

need a vod

[rancid portal]

Even if using KS or Coup over Vanish would make me lose AR?

[gaunt phoenix]

No you would still vanish for AR if needed

[rancid portal]

Good to know, thank you!

My last sim with hidden opportunity made me use Jastor’s lowering my haste to 15% which feels a bit weird

[gaunt phoenix]

HO is a bit flexible with haste it can get away with 14-18% or so

[rancid portal]

Maybe that’s why the sim prefers Jastor’s over my other rings, I’m still gearing/learning my rogue but pretty fun, trying to get the basics so I can start trying the KIR build

[waxen acorn]

Priory 10 with an...interesting route

[worldly shale]

looking at my logs i did 4.3m in a 10 a month ago

lemme check if i can find ilvl

[waxen acorn]

a month ago I'd wager would be in the 670s

unless you weren't actively playing the rogue until then

[worldly shale]

680 XD

seems i was gaming

[waxen acorn]

gamer gaming

going from fury to this just makes me cry about fury lmao

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

the instant

i swapped from st belt

to split damage belt

it stopped working

i think that thing

never works ?

idk

everytime i swap to split damage belt

it either stop working insta

or doesnt even work

ever

[waxen acorn]

worked in my key

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vivid vessel]

lucky guy

[waxen acorn]

buggy bowered power be buggy

[vivid vessel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fL3jpRqm2nYAzrFB?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=13

i have an entire day of m+

only belt damage is the st proc

any time i went split damage

which is 2 times that day i swapped

it didnt work

idk

?

[waxen acorn]

did you happen to die those keys?

[random stirrup]

huge!

[vivid vessel]

we wipe

i die

[vivid vessel]

ye

it worked

[waxen acorn]

supposedly dying can break the belt

[vivid vessel]

in https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fL3jpRqm2nYAzrFB?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=13

here

it worked in this insance

where we wiped first boss

kinda a banger

then it stopped working

[random stirrup]

saved

[vivid vessel]

then at night i went flood

i went st rune

till it fucked us over

so i went back aoe split

and it didnt work even once

cant find any

crazy stuffs man

im so glad

[waxen acorn]

at least it's getting nerfed on tuesday

[vivid vessel]

ye

wonder how they got their data

that it needed a nerf

since it dodesnt do any damage

[worldly shale]

cyrce's belt when

[tender wedge]

If your waist is small enough…

[quiet holly]

how accurate is wowanalyzer for outlaw?

[tranquil orbit]

best item to buy with first dinar on outlaw guys ?

[gaunt phoenix]

For HO is pretty good actually

[quiet holly]

HO?

also, is it good specifically in m+ or just raid?

i basically just m+ and am struggling with damage in +13s trying to figure out why

oh

hidden opportunity

[gaunt phoenix]

it should work with key or raid logs

[quiet holly]

i also play KIR :(

[gaunt phoenix]

!commonerrors

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[quiet holly]

oh, ty!

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont think wowanalyzer will capture the rtb rules for KIR

[junior coral]

Outlaw go burr season 3 or getting bamboozled…?

[rigid basin]

Circe's Annulet Disc of many sockets

[gaunt phoenix]

potential to be peak outlaw tier

[junior coral]

Shitttt, I’ve been dying to come back strong

[rigid basin]

I'm really looking forwards to it

[junior coral]

3 rogue meta inc

[red zinc]

im uh

feeling neutral after playing on ptr

[rigid basin]

Did weekly keys today already miss new KS lol

[junior coral]

New KS looks dope

[rigid basin]

It's got issue sure

[junior coral]

Season 3 DF was great, if it better then that my
God. I’m quitting my job

[rigid basin]

But it's a huge step in the right direction

[gaunt phoenix]

even ignoring trickster/keys

Fatebound in raid is gonna slam ass

[red zinc]

mastery outlaw

[junior coral]

Any bugs we dealing with atm?

[red zinc]

im locking in the prediction @gaunt phoenix

that mastery delve trinket will be the strongest one on aoe patchwerk baseline

especially on dslice when mobs die

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt look at gear at all

[red zinc]

i think they got a number wrong on it or smth

so probably gone by next week

30k mastery for 10s every ~40s baseline

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

4% main gauche damage on 5t

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound has a few

[red zinc]

might be largely affected by lag but

definitely noticed i was doing way less damage on 5t dummies with outlaw than other classes with similar gear

and i dont even know how to play those classes

not that that matters right now at all but the ptr lag makes it so rough to test accurately

[keen belfry]

Unless my WA was wrong I think I once hit 10 on my coin and didn’t get lucky coin

[gaunt phoenix]

when this bug happens

[red zinc]

ye if you skip past 7 you can go for as long as you want and not get it

[gaunt phoenix]

u dont get lucky coin until like 14

[red zinc]

oh

[keen belfry]

Oh it resets it?

So you need 7 again

[red zinc]

multiples of 7 is funny

[keen belfry]

xD!

[red zinc]

lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure exactly

[frail veldt]

Bladeflurry bug back lol

[red zinc]

i mean it does make sense

[frail veldt]

Honestly entirely possible

[red zinc]

nah like

was doing 9.5m with 720 equipped

doing what i felt like was a good rotation

aint it

9m on live with 682

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean i dont think we lose dps

you should do at least 40% more dmg bc of ilvl

[red zinc]

ye

so probably some kind of bug on dummies

[keen belfry]

Maybe bad procs

[red zinc]

either that or old tier set was just carrying

[red zinc]

sat there for like 30 min

[keen belfry]

Are we surely back to loaded dice next season

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[keen belfry]

Just blame procs

I want loaded dice I think

[red zinc]

ye

i just think that like

[gaunt phoenix]

i suspect KIR loaded dice and HO supercharger

[keen belfry]

Sleight no tier

Sounds bad

[red zinc]

the higher KS cd is a good idea

but that damage needs to be pumped the fuck up

[keen belfry]

KIR no super charger?

[red zinc]

to make up for lost UB stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean HO sleight

[tender wedge]

New KS did also get 25% damage buff

[red zinc]

its not enough

[gaunt phoenix]

thats just bc its 25% longer

[red zinc]

like maybe im cooked out of my mind

[gaunt phoenix]

tho you can cancel it with a finisher

[red zinc]

but say it went to a 3min cd and escalating strikes didnt change at all

i think it needs like 100%+ more damage

its not noticeable right now at all

[tender wedge]

That’s be nice, specs need a button you get really excited to press

[red zinc]

my overall goes down slightly when channeling it which is fine

[tender wedge]

Good change from being terrified to press 😭

[red zinc]

since you get the UB stacks

but if they want it to be a big cd moment like realz described

that shit needs to be cranked

[tender wedge]

Blizz has shown that they don’t like cancelling channels

So hopium

Side note - with the change to AMZ for dps DKs, is atrophic the worst raid utility/buff now?

[red zinc]

i think hunter raid buff also kinda sucks

[lime lake]

If we're talking individual abilities it's definitely better than a few

[red zinc]

but atrophic aint it either

[tender wedge]

I always forget hunter but yeah that tracks

[lime lake]

Evoker buff is not impressive either

They obviously have a lot more stuff in their kit though

[red zinc]

the movement cd reset is their real raid buff

[lime lake]

Yeah their other stuff more than makes up for it

[tender wedge]

From the perspective of a raid leader/planner it kinda feels like rogue is the least desirable spec to “bring one of” outside of high tuning

I’m looking for counter arguments here to make to my RL 😅

[red zinc]

applying find weakness which makes mobs take more crit damage would be cool

[near holly]

my son won his first travel ball tourney today. team name fits

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[torn sentinel]

Charged bolts still BiS ability for belt after nerf?

[tender wedge]

Gonna need to sim it chief

They’re all pretty bad now by the looks

[torn sentinel]

love that for us

[tender wedge]

Vers might be nice if we didn’t have half the gcd of anyone else

[red zinc]

you will go back to normal belt for a bit

maybe for the rest of the season

[tender wedge]

Crystal might be nice if it worked

All the time

[lime lake]

Rogue players are just naturally more gifted at the game

Raid buffs are a crutch

Utility is a crutch

[tender wedge]

I’ll go with that and report back

[lime lake]

Good tuning is a crutch

We need none of it

[random stirrup]

dk at least this tier is worse than rogue

except on stix

[proven ocean]

any outlaws wanna join 20 cinder

[worldly shale]

Is there any other way to impale somebody?

[gaunt phoenix]

[lime lake]

Good question

[tender wedge]

We don’t get that one a lot around here, how refreshing

[sharp hinge]

is rogue looking good on ptr?

[cinder relic]

vibes or damage?

[sharp hinge]

both

[cinder relic]

Vibes good damage idk

[sharp hinge]

nice, anyone have ptr videos up?

[fossil lintel]

There's videos of the new KS animation

[hot mica]

belt

[hazy cairn]

I saw one of your m+ runs mentioned on the PoddyC: https://youtu.be/f3EDcqHc-gY?list=PLxXkPBMG-4UwNwszAzv5QcCOuzwwSnj_c&t=3581

[tender wedge]

Talking about phys comp? Yeah it’s good stuff.

[red zinc]

jesus christ theres ads every 2 minutes on that video

shameless

[tender wedge]

I usually just listen on Spotify rather than watch, you don’t miss much

[red zinc]

i know they gotta make money and everything

but damn that looks rough

[lime lake]

lmfao

holy shit

[hollow temple]

lol..

who the fuck

is gonna watch that

lmao

[violet ferry]

34 total ads
99 minutes of podcast
an ad every 2.9 miuntes

[frank finch]

ppl with ad blocker

[hollow temple]

[rigid basin]

LMAO

What the hell

[fossil lintel]

I don't think I've seen an ad on YouTube in the past 5 years

[frank finch]

most of us are terminally online , if u dont have an adblocker your inting

[torpid fiber]

I'm so glad i listen on spotify

[red zinc]

i mean youtube is dicking down adblockers

got some shit where they wont play videos anymore unless i turn off ublock

probably a workaround but i cba

[fossil lintel]

Those usually get fixed on the ublock list pretty quick

Unless you're using it on chrome or something

[lime lake]

they've started throttling videos if you're using adblockers but i just refresh that shit and keep doing

i'll stop watching youtube entirely before i watch ads or pay for premium

[fossil lintel]

Ublock already worked around the fake buffering they added at the start

[lime lake]

i have ublock and it still happens

[fossil lintel]

Same

[proven ocean]

fuck comms groups

tryhards

just enjoy the game cuh

[lime lake]

[proven ocean]

we make our own tech tho, i think we do many things meta comp cant and dont do

im surprised they didn't show double rogue floodgate+priory

everyone in the community talked about it

[covert kestrel]

What is RtB rule set: 5 roll fish kir???

[keen belfry]

so

what belt are we

tuesday

[glass mortar]

check on tuesday

[keen belfry]

delve why dont u know now

[formal veldt]

How do most of you feel about the Killing spree change? It kinda reminds me of DH Eyebeams from legion, but with the ability to move and cast it

[rapid phoenix]

is that champ track weapon from the nightfall guy still bis for us?

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

Ye

[granite merlin]

I just tested it on ptr I love it

Makes me want to play outlaw again maybe. Which is killing me cause I thought I’d be assassin or sub :p

But old ks made me highly motion sick

And quit outlaw

[tender wedge]

i told my RL i wanted to main swap after tier done because i really wanted to play outlaw but KS was unusable

got the ok to reclear as a dragon man

4 days later

KS fixed

rip

[granite merlin]

😄

[tender wedge]

guess we're swapping back

sorry about the mythic BiS i took

[granite merlin]

My only issue with outlaw is the rotation is so fast I am having an awful time playing it without hekili but I think using hekili is making me worse its a real catch 22 other two specs I can play fine

[tender wedge]

i like assass for a literal change of pace

[granite merlin]

It’s very very zen

[tender wedge]

but i wanna spreeee

[granite merlin]

I’d love to get to the point where I can outlaw without thinking with all the nuances but I just don’t even k ow where to start getting there

[tender wedge]

reps tbh

theres enough flow to get going at least

but yeah you need reps to train that snap decision making

[granite merlin]

For some reason my brain won’t let me understand roll the bones logic either lol

I just slam on cooldown and keep at 4

And roll again

[tender wedge]

i mean there are WAs for that

[granite merlin]

But aren’t all of those going away soon?

When blizzard forces their garbage upon us all those hooks will be pulled

[tender wedge]

soon is a massive overstatement

they haven't even given a timeline so like

maybe 12.0 at the absolute soonest?

[granite merlin]

Fair

[sullen walrus]

don’t use hekili bro, it will destroy your damage 🙂

hekili for outlaw it’s the worse thing ever

i spend 3 weeks trying to understand this spec

[tender wedge]

you can feel how you like about hekili but that's just not true

[sullen walrus]

it’s true

hekili is the worse thing ever

if u wanna feel the game and especially your spec, try to learn something about

this shit just show u what u need to press, and this kills a vibe of the game

[tender wedge]

i don't think the hekili conversation needs to be had for the 100000th time but saying that you'll do bad damage using it is just literally incorrect

[sullen walrus]

for outlaw it’s bad

[tender wedge]

ok

[granite merlin]

It’s just a case of it’s going to tell you to slam things sometimes suboptimal you have to know when to ignore it’s a tool like all things

[sullen walrus]

you was bad outlaw if u thinking hekili is good for outlaw xd

[tender wedge]

is this bait

i think this is bait

[sullen walrus]

i don’t like ppl who use hekili. for new players it’s okay

[tender wedge]

i can tell

[granite merlin]

It’s great to learn a class hit then hard to cut the cord lol

[tender wedge]

i think it would be worse for outlaw compared to other specs in terms of learning

just because of how the spec works

but like

[sullen walrus]

but bro, if u use hekili all the time, it’s just show that u are don’t understand this game and like a bot in cs2
what are we talking about ?

outlaw is the most hard spec for me

i played assa and sub

[tender wedge]

my brother in christ im not telling people to use it

[sullen walrus]

but fuck, i like outlaw

[tender wedge]

im saying that it's factual incorrect that using it makes you do bad damage

[sullen walrus]

it’s

[tender wedge]

last time this convo happened in the assass channel some dude linked his orange ranks on everything using it

[sullen walrus]

good damage for u like how much?

[wintry solar]

I couldn't come up with better bait tbh

[tender wedge]

yeah it's a perennial goodie in terms of dragging a response out of someone

[wintry solar]

Its obvious parroting of what someone who didn't know what they were talking about said.

[sullen walrus]

why ppl don’t want to spend time to learn about spec and try do good damage without addon who shows you everything what u need to press

wtf

[tender wedge]

i shouldn't engage but people always get their brain twisted over the difference between it being good for the game vs it being a good tool for what it does

[wintry solar]

Was lurking when that happened. Very funny.

[tender wedge]

the only context is that it assumes you're fighting a target dummy so it can't help you with holding cds etc

which can be bad

apparently the 1 button rotation is getting people purple ranks in heroic so we have bigger problems on our hands imo 😂

[wintry solar]

You're shitting me lol

Maybe everyone below purple is just that bad?

I haven't tried it on outlaw yet

Gonna run a key with it

[tender wedge]

it feels so bad on outlaw

idk

it is just based on priority though, not sure if there's an conditionals underlying it all

i think it's just "can i press this button"

[tender wedge]

well for casters most damage is lost from bad movement rather than bad rotation

and 1br won't help you there

[wintry solar]

Oh idk why I assumed this was for assa

What was it?

[tender wedge]

assa is slow enough it didn't seem too bad

in terms of feel

i wouldn't use it for any reason though, i'd rather not play lol

i think they overcooked how good it is though, i think the idea to keep gcd the same but make it do like 50% damage is far far better to achieve the goals