outlaw

[sudden fulcrum]

yeah we just don't use addons on NA

[worldly shale]

its probably cancer from the belt

[vivid vessel]

make sense

ye

thats waht it is

[cedar kernel]

is quite tough to understand how does the TTW3 4PC work bc there isnt a buff for the second Coup

[vivid vessel]

really ?

i see it on my ui

idk why

let me check

[frank finch]

it does show

it shows a countdown from 5 sec to use again

[vivid vessel]

it just doesnt consume your stacks or

cause i see it on my UI

and i have no idea why

havent checked the buffs

[cedar kernel]

wait is it?

[keen belfry]

@ripe ibex are you leveling your brew

[gaunt phoenix]

My EB weakaura from retail catches the free coup

For some reason

[cedar kernel]

idk in my buff show i doesnt have a time for coup :/

[gaunt phoenix]

But im just tracking "display thing at EB3-4"

[cedar kernel]

or some kind of buff

[vivid vessel]

ye

thats because

[cedar kernel]

it does

oh wait

[vivid vessel]

the coup stacks

dont go away

they just get a timer

thats why

[cedar kernel]

huh they are using the same Spell ID💀

[vivid vessel]

no

they are doing

the bug

litteraly

the bug was that the stacks werent going away till the end of the animation

now the stacks dont go away till 5 s after

its just how the bug worked

no additional buff

nothing

[cedar kernel]

so if i want to make PS a higher prio when there is second coups active, i just need to add a time count for coup in additional?

thats what i think tho

but we dont have new data, i am using the old

trying to soft out the logic

[craggy barn]

why not hard out the logic

[cedar kernel]

oh i use wrong word

its sort

💀

[vivid vessel]

why does ks not work with bs tho

[craggy barn]

prob bc its not tagged as a generator

[cedar kernel]

they count the KS each attack as a normal attack instead of a builder?

[keen belfry]

is this how a bear should gather first pull?

[craggy barn]

its counted as a finisher

[cedar kernel]

just the the old time if we attack we have chance to attack once then give cps

[craggy barn]

LOL

yea

bear should unshift on first pull cinder

[keen belfry]

idkhow bear works maybe he went hulk mode outside of bear form

[cedar kernel]

i heard of an old news, a master bear unshift in the boss of 24 m+

i dont remember its zac said or zeross said

[honest sparrow]

Doesnt bear still has the thing whith his tset which can randomly change his form? Or is that just with the raid build?

[keen belfry]

i dont think bear tanks run random form change in m+

form roulette

[ocean lodge]

I'm not at liberty to test until the weekend. Do we like the changes in the next patch or do we kinda wanna die

[keen belfry]

KS changes are very welcome in the terms you dont die pressing it

it has some cleaning up around the edges needed

the pinned message does a good job highlighting its problems @ocean lodge

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix you cant kick/kidney/blind during it

i think thats kinda important to know

[covert kestrel]

doesnt even cancel?

dam

[vivid vessel]

yes cancel

i mean its a channel you can cancel if you want

[ocean lodge]

Well that's big, then.

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[cedar kernel]

brother its good to have this

we have secret technique to recover CPs

[ocean lodge]

Did the talent tree change at all?

[vivid vessel]

what

i touhgt you needed a target

how are you casting it randomly

[cedar kernel]

no i didnt choose a target

[frank finch]

[cedar kernel]

it doesnt need a target to use

[vivid vessel]

hm

[craggy barn]

holy

[cedar kernel]

just like dancing

[vivid vessel]

but it has a range

[ocean lodge]

Because funni

[vivid vessel]

you need a target im pretty sure

to do damage

wait

ok thats funny actually

[toxic umbra]

It’s like blade dance 😮

[vivid vessel]

so you can just press it wheneve

[cedar kernel]

yea

[vivid vessel]

it just wont do damage tioll you get at range

[keen belfry]

it hits clsoest target i think if nothing in range

[vivid vessel]

hmge

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[gaunt phoenix]

so u can step out of range for 0.8 seconds and miss a hit or two

[vivid vessel]

ye

[ripe ibex]

NO MAN THATS YOUR JOB

[keen belfry]

why me man

[vivid vessel]

thats funny

[ripe ibex]

cause ur older

older person has to tank

[vivid vessel]

hm

[keen belfry]

how old am i

[vivid vessel]

the range

is weird

[ripe ibex]

idk oldertahn me tho

[cedar kernel]

if KS have a DMG buff

we can make it to uh our opener

💀

[cedar kernel]

before combat

[vivid vessel]

isnt this guy to my right

closer to me ?

[ripe ibex]

bro awang ive been baited my economics every day for the past week

[craggy barn]

hitbox probably smaller zac

[cedar kernel]

i think its randomly

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

hm maybe

[craggy barn]

also random target

[vivid vessel]

no well

it only went right cause i moved "in range"

[keen belfry]

whatd he to do you king

[vivid vessel]

clearlyu wasnt random at start

[craggy barn]

idk if it prios new targets in range it hasnt hit yet

wonder if it tags unhit targets

[ripe ibex]

https://i.imgur.com/ievwNoq.png

https://i.imgur.com/K1kmJ78.png

[ancient laurel]

So do you guys like the new KS animation?

[ripe ibex]

and then

nothing

[keen belfry]

get shit on

[cedar kernel]

i think it has bigger range than i thought

💀

[keen belfry]

i bricked like 5 19 cbs with econ last night

[craggy barn]

is that screen shake

[ripe ibex]

we need a new brew in NA

[vivid vessel]

no i dont htink there is screenshake

[keen belfry]

why do u think tonibologna

[vivid vessel]

why

[keen belfry]

hes not the brew we need

[ripe ibex]

but hes the brew we have

[ripe ibex]

thats the brew we need

[cedar kernel]

is this the problem i think it has longer range

like i dont see dmg pops out but it fires

to the dummies

and the dmgs are low

weirdge

[keen belfry]

honestly not too bad of a s1 @ripe ibex

[ripe ibex]

thats looks like my s1 rio

[cedar kernel]

good tank

[keen belfry]

i can purifying brew here

oxing

yeah nbd

[ripe ibex]

holy

[cedar kernel]

oh they made the dark things more easier to see for DK

[daring oxide]

is it just me or is there like a brief delay after every 3 attacks?

maybe its an animation thing

cant tell

[cedar kernel]

wait brothers i have a god damn idea, like can we BF-Stealth-ADR-RtB-KS to bring 2 stacks of Supercharger also 2 stacks of Unseen Blade into the key?

before plug in

like 3 stacks?

[frank finch]

sounds good

[vivid vessel]

its wonky cause its proccing main gauche and shit i think

but ye the animtion is idk

it doesnt work very well

its cool tho

but its weird

[glass mortar]

think it would be better if no melee could interupt it

idk when i was trying it on ptr like a quarter of my shots would get cancelled to punch them with my gun

for a mg proc or autoattack idk

do u even auto during it

[cedar kernel]

does any brother know what whether we can bring the UB stack into a key?

[frank finch]

we can we do it on live atm

[cedar kernel]

pls black give me a little help

thats much better than SND i think

if KS could replace SND in the opener before key

[frank finch]

yea it would easier now to stack ub pre key

no more finding targets to press ks

[radiant root]

[cedar kernel]

[glass mortar]

drop a dummy > press a builder > kspree on dummy > press RtB > run into key

u have 2 UB stacks and 2 supercharged ready for ur prekey

[cedar kernel]

maybe its like BF-STEALTH-ADR-RTB-KS-SND

holy

[glass mortar]

its a lil weird tho u need to consume them before u kspree agai nin the opener or it can bugout and u wont get them

@vivid vessel culd probably explain it more

it doesnt matter in my key range so i do it but i dont really track if im getting that coup efficiently or not

[vivid vessel]

ye

it makes ytour opener a bit better

[cedar kernel]

we got 2 times CDR, with this skill in my thinking, we can cast rtb right after we enter the battle or before

[random stirrup]

gotta also trigger snd bug so you can rtb a couple times before first pull to fish for 5buff smh

[glass mortar]

yea no aint doin that cringe shit

and everytime someone comes in here from zac stream asking about it

i add another baguette to the counter

of baguettes im gunna leave in zacs mattress

when i next visit france

[cedar kernel]

yea after this opener rtb only got 8s cd

i hope the KIR prekey skill still exist rn

but we will lose 1 stack of supercharger

bc KS used one

maybe we need to delay rtb using in opener

wait we dont we can have 3 stacks of supercharger after this opener

bc the second time we can use rtb again after key pluged

[fathom whale]

Is there a world where ks is a non button again and we don’t take it

[vivid vessel]

no

triockster

[cedar kernel]

we must take it rn

its one of the best spell of outlaw

does the ptr server down?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[proven ocean]

no

im online now

[cedar kernel]

i cant login

[proven ocean]

just dont stay in dornogal

try to be in stormwind

[cedar kernel]

i am at stormwind

but

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

imagine our funnel is 50% higher

from tier set

kinda crazy or

?

[keen belfry]

i think itll take a lot for fatebound to win in aoe right?

im assumming you are taking about m+

[proven ocean]

@cedar kernel baccy waccy

[cedar kernel]

zeross

[proven ocean]

yes

[cedar kernel]

can we save unseen blade after keys?

[proven ocean]

[cedar kernel]

we might could have 3 stacks of supercharger rn

[proven ocean]

u mean the free 2 after killing spree?

[cedar kernel]

yea

[proven ocean]

u can do that pre key yes

[cedar kernel]

so as far as i can see the new opener prekey we might got 3 stacks of unseen blade also supercharger in the first pull

[proven ocean]

ye its 3

i think

i forgot cuz i didnt play sub in a while for a real key

but ye u get enough for insta coup

kinda

[cedar kernel]

thats nut, feel like we only got 8s for rtb to off cd when we finish the BF-Stealth-ADR-RTB-KS-SND

then when the keys are in, we can send rtb again

unfortunately KIR prekey gone

[cinder relic]

I love these tier sets

I hope the gameplay ends up fun

[haughty wigeon]

no cantrips this raid tier

or atleast no weapon dps ones

[keen belfry]

same, trickster needs a lil love with it but man double coup + ks fix + trickster

lit gameplay

[red zinc]

I interpreted the lucky coin one as reducing cd on every single proc

[keen belfry]

trickster tree is awesome

[red zinc]

instead of permanently while up

really liked the sound of the cdr proc iteration for outlaw, definintely would suck for assa though ofc

[cinder relic]

Whats wrong with trickster on ptr?

[cinder relic]

Oh jeez

So its "while active, x and y have -cdr"

not "Get a proc to reduce the CD by x"

[keen belfry]

i pretty much agree with all the complaints in the pins, ks too long, cd too short. cancelling ks seems bad design

[worldly shale]

cudgel still bis for season 3 boys?

XD

[covert kestrel]

i love you

[worldly shale]

ill fkn spam my weapon swap keybind the whole next tier

[keen belfry]

sins tier set making them a 130 spec is funny to me

idk why

just seems haha to me

[cinder relic]

I don't like just taking a designers posts and parading them around like the gospel, but Realz is of the mind that KS CD Is too short, and will need to get compensated. Who knows how it turns out but it appears to be on the Radar

[quiet ore]

Free CPs for days, since the 2pc guarantees lucky coin on opener

[covert kestrel]

long cast time and variable combo points = skill expression?

[cinder relic]

What are u alluding to exactly

[keen belfry]

yeah i think if we pressed ks as often as we do now that would be idealish

and with double coup we get way more cps

[covert kestrel]

just an actual question lol like maybe thats the thought process behind a finisher that regenerates cp

not being a concern troll (this time)

[keen belfry]

ks leaving u with max cps is kinda anti trickster atm

[glass mortar]

the flow is just off right now on ptr

[keen belfry]

yuh

[glass mortar]

because u have too much of everything and that can feel like a bad thing

[keen belfry]

its a funny complaint

[glass mortar]

if its making u just overcap unseens and cps and vanishes

[keen belfry]

but a valid one

[glass mortar]

constantly

its close to being real fuckin banger tho

the idea behind the tier is dope

[tranquil cobalt]

do we know from where this trinket drops ? looks kinda insane

[random stirrup]

if its hero track on ptr guy its a delve trinket

pretty sure

[cinder relic]

U guys really like that concern troll line don't you

[quiet ore]

The idea behind the tier is "what if we made coup bug gameplay real gameplay"

[cold jewel]

ill be honest i dont really mind what they plan on doing with the cd for KS, im just glad i will have full control of my character at all times again

[cinder relic]

I'm just not sure what you are asking rn

I'd probably agree but I just don't know what ur asking me

[glass mortar]

i think like 90% of the mess thats happening on ptr would be fixed if u just let unseen stack up to 8 times tho

before u start wasting em

[keen belfry]

i just want KS to send out like, 1cp dispatches that it generates during its channel that would be cool

[random stirrup]

ye this will probably get changed in some way because its grief for both specs

at least outlaw can 1cp coup if necessary

[covert kestrel]

just the design around the new ks is designed to not just be a "cast at max cp and let it ride the whole time" but something that can be modified for the situation, eg if ADR is running out then you cancel early to get a vanish in

[quiet ore]

We don't waste em with double coup, I think, we just send at like zero CP, probably

[cinder relic]

Also;

Seems hes of mind that the 2 set has anti synergy rn

[cold jewel]

wish they could make it like an empower ability where the longer you hold it the more combo points it racks up. if you empower it for the full duration you get a lil cannonball barrage to go along with it. would be cool

[glass mortar]

its moreso how much cdr double coup gives u for kspree currenct cd and 2set

[covert kestrel]

zac would have an aneurism

[glass mortar]

u will constantly be deciding "do i want to have kspree off cd during this vanish or proc coup during it because otherwise im sitting on vanish charges forever"

[cold jewel]

ya but with it being an empower you could choose to end it early

[glass mortar]

the rotation is very clustered on ptr

like coup > kspree > coup > oh ksprees up again

[cinder relic]

Bro wants to press Fire breath so bad 🥲

[glass mortar]

oh look i could earn another coup rn

oh i have 2 vanish charges

[quiet ore]

Yeah, this was a problem back with coup bug, too - so we just skipped picking KS because bug was so strong

[glass mortar]

if u could have 3 unseen blades with 2 available and still be able to vanish

because u wont "waste" any blades during it since u can keep stacking unseen up to 8

that would feel lovely

reducing or changing 2set or increasing kspree cd will also help the problem

albeit in a way thats technically a "nerf" until they give that power back somewhere

but thats when tuning is happening

[worldly shale]

damn whats the current cd on ks?

[cinder relic]

The 4 set seems strong for trickster, but the 2 set causes a lot of jumbling

[worldly shale]

havent checked

[cinder relic]

1:30 baseline

With trickster

[cold jewel]

is that worse than being locked into a channel/aura cancelling?

[cinder relic]

I think a literal channeled spell for Outlaw would suck, maybe I'm weird but it feels mechanically different

[glass mortar]

ur not locked into the channel tho

u can cancel it with any ability

u dont need a macro

if something forces u to cancel it

[quiet ore]

Which, OL CDs are in reality 10-20% of their nominal value, iirc

[cold jewel]

we already have one lmao

[cinder relic]

Wdym

Like I mean a staged ability

[glass mortar]

did u mean empowered spell guy

ye

i got it

[cold jewel]

just because we aren't currently holding it down doesnt make it not a channel

[cinder relic]

Yeah empowered spell

Forgot the name

[cold jewel]

oh ok

thats different then

[cinder relic]

Yeah forgot the name

I think an empowered ability would feel weirder than an eyebeam

[glass mortar]

empowered spells feel very weird because you are legitimatly sitting in place not doing anything for the empower cast

[cinder relic]

Idk why but it feels different

[glass mortar]

i guess they could change it to be lkike u constantly shoot during the cast:? thatd be weird tho

[raven socket]

I can already see myself cancelling it because i double press it lol

[glass mortar]

at least for kspree u are rapidly firing for the whole channel

and earning CP

[cinder relic]

I think its fine as an eyebeam type spell

Tbqh

[cold jewel]

i just think it's the better of the 2 options. you can essentially already make it "empowered" by aura cancelling it

[quiet ore]

It's funny because shuriken storm is, imo, number one rogue skill to transition to an empowered skill, given it's description

[cinder relic]

I'd rather they tweak KS in a way to solve it than be an empowered spell

Just a personal thing

[worldly shale]

damn doing a finisher after ks feels weird af

[glass mortar]

well no an empower generally has different effects based on the stage you go to (not usually even directly being dps increasing or decreasing) and for the cast time u sit there doing nothing at all

that feels very anti outlaw to me

[cold jewel]

i just think with them wanting to make it a longer cd it could have some extra flair go along with it that we lost with cannonball barrage

[glass mortar]

ur character should always be attacking

[cinder relic]

Ya thats what I mean, it just feels off to me

[quiet ore]

We've all said that if it was just DH blade dance it'd be fine

[glass mortar]

channel is very different vibe

[cinder relic]

I kinda like KS being an eyebeam idk

I like eye beam for DH

DH is a fast spec, eyebeam doesnt kill it

KS just needs some adjustments to be more in kind

[glass mortar]

i wish it was longer range (like normal pistol attacks range if not just 20 yards)

[raven socket]

Exacly it's actually cool to se your character jumping around,the not cool thing is dying to shit on the ground

[cold jewel]

outlaw is a fast spec and KS being channeled this season didnt kill it either

[worldly shale]

that would be perfect actually

[glass mortar]

feels a bit off all our pistol abilities can be used during downtime or away from the boss and this one is shorter range then original killing spree

[cinder relic]

I like that KS is a functioning spell now because it actually opens up design space too haha. This is obviously a pure hopium thing but with KS being a real spell now it's easier to maybe make the spec more about KS in the same way DH is about eyebeam (sometimes)

[glass mortar]

its probably due to the random target clause actually

cant make it a 30 yard range if its shooting random targets ig

[cinder relic]

Like maybe the GSW side of the tree actually gets to be more interesting, because you can just make it "Upgrade KS" the same way wake has some talents behind it that empower it in cool ways

[cold jewel]

i think the way it would work with rogue would be different, instead of having "power levels" like evokers do, we would just gain combo points the longer we hold it idk. didn't they just give dk an empower on ptr?

[cinder relic]

Just some hopium

[glass mortar]

yea moving GSW to kspree would be good

this ability is unique enough to warrent a capstone amplifier/effecter

[cinder relic]

I don't think me or Weran are opposed to the concept of empowered spells, it just feels odd for Outlaw.

[glass mortar]

could be a cool new capstone that buffs it or slightly modifies it

yea i dig my empower spell on monk, its just a strange vibe for law imo

laws thing is always attacking constantly

with this kspree even tho its a long cast, ur attacking like 10 times during it

empowers u actually sit there and afk for 3s

irl and ingame

[quiet ore]

Anytime that isn't strictly "spin the top faster" feels a lil odd for OL, but it can still be legit

[worldly shale]

ye this sht feels like killing spree is up the whole time XD

js tried

[glass mortar]

like if they are going to force a "break" into outlaw

having that break be ur character continues to unload at insane speeds

is how it should probably be

just fits the flavor

i do wanna see more empower spells in the game im ngl i kinda dig the new breath of cindy idea even if it might be half baked rn

and they r a vibe when im playing my alts

i always saw a kspree redesign as being a FoF clone if im being honest

wasnt sure theyd make it pistols or slashes

[fathom bramble]

I kind of hate empowered spells

[proven ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974049216999612426/1383251689259401276/image0-9.gif?ex=68555d46&is=68540bc6&hm=dcede79f6e15639fb9cf14eaa27bacc30badacaf6fc5b594416b526d996672dd&=&width=384&height=72

[wintry solar]

Wish it was slashes tbh

[glass mortar]

yea i think for some it misses

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1374599781711745024/ezgif.com-add-text.gif

[glass mortar]

empowers that being

[proven ocean]

HOW DID U GET THAT GIF

??????????????????

i thought my guild only had it

[fathom bramble]

I think an attack that you chargee up has to be done in a very specific way

and only works in certain games

wow is not one of them

[raven socket]

They could actually make it as a finishing move that shots cannon ball close to your target hmmmm

[fathom bramble]

in wow there will always be an optimal charge amount

and now it's just a clunky cast bar

[glass mortar]

gsw replaced with kspree choice node capstone

[proven ocean]

bro wtf is this cringe shit in wow

[worldly shale]

from where will we shoot the cannon ball

[glass mortar]

one makes it only guns, increases range, adds some bte interactions or something

[worldly shale]

weiner?

[glass mortar]

one makes it all slashes, limits it to melee range

[proven ocean]

why are ppl making cringe ass notes

[glass mortar]

changes it in some way

[proven ocean]

24./7

24/7

[glass mortar]

[vapid sundial]

bc a lot of the m+ community is cringe as shit

wym

the amount of freaks i played with pushing for title

is insane

[glass mortar]

anyway i hope they cook this spell as much as theyve cooked alot of stuff in the reworks this expac

good baseline to start from rn

[proven ocean]

i mean

its funny to make jokes but not on cancer

[vapid sundial]

Cancer jokes have been a thing since before we were born

and they arent gonna stop now

[proven ocean]

💀

[cedar kernel]

like rework GSW?

thats a good idea i think

[wintry solar]

Nah

Delete it

[vapid sundial]

I know a guy who had cancer and likes to go 'this is fucking awful, i had cancer and this is actually just worse'

[proven ocean]

idk about rework GSW it should stay as it is

GSW is a nice talent if we dont play crackshot

so

ye

[wintry solar]

Reliable dmg yeah

But

[glass mortar]

i think this kspree is interesting enough to warrent a capstone that changes or buffs it somehow

[wintry solar]

I doubt we won't play crackshot

[glass mortar]

way more then fuckin gsw anyway

[cinder relic]

It's mega cringe ya

[cedar kernel]

i tried GSW last day and it feels like cuh

[glass mortar]

but probably too much wishful thinking for the amount of changes it looks like we are slated for in 11.2

[fathom bramble]

GSW: Killing spree now causes your next Between the eyes to deal x% increased damage and refund the combo points spent. Additionally consuming GSW grants 6 opportunity stacks, these stacks can bypass the normal maximum of 6.

[cedar kernel]

only did 5m overall to 5 target 3mins dummie

[red zinc]

Cancer jokes the only thing that can make guy and zeross agree on something

Glad thats the case though

[cedar kernel]

its amazing lokt

[glass mortar]

hmm

problem lok

kspree is the trickster thingy right

usable for both but trickster mandates it

PS does not send unseen blades

kspree prepares them

thats alot of resources to get thru to start spending stacks again

[fathom bramble]

sounds like ps needs to trigger unseen blades

which is true regardless anyway

imo

[proven ocean]

i agree

it'll make gameplay very nice

[glass mortar]

mhm i could be on board with that

[proven ocean]

make 2 set allow pistol shot to proc unseen blades

and that would be the fix

[proven ocean]

i think maybe ping realz on that? @cinder relic

to suggest it

[glass mortar]

im not 100% sure what the idea was making only specific builders (most of them) proc ur unseen but not all of them

[proven ocean]

sounds like a legitement fix

[quiet ore]

I miss when GSW was numerically competitive - CS just too cracked

[glass mortar]

should probably just be on builders period

and then make kspree count as a builder since it builds

🤔

[proven ocean]

ye why not cuz thats the case for sub

sub has SS + BS

to proc it

[random stirrup]

well shuriken storm doesnt proc it (it should)

[glass mortar]

i am of the opinion most of these issues are better served just giving coup the tempest treatment tho

[quiet ore]

Shuriken toss trigger when

[glass mortar]

let u continue building to a coup with 1 coup ready

u only overcap if u somehow would spend 9 blades with no coups

[proven ocean]

shadowstrike

and backstab

[random stirrup]

ya ik

[proven ocean]

both are ss i know

[random stirrup]

but not all sub builders do i meant

[fathom bramble]

I mean it should just read "Combo point generating abilities trigger Unseen blade on your primary target"

[proven ocean]

well

u never press shuriken storm or toss

like

ever

shuriken storm only once

in big aoe

so ye

its kinda good for sub

bad for outlaw

[quiet ore]

It makes sense flavorwise for deft blade flurry, it doesn't really for PS

[proven ocean]

idk'

i just hate trickster outlaw

its bad design imo

[glass mortar]

i guess the stab animation of it would look a bit silly if u procced it with a PS from 30 yards away

[proven ocean]

i enjoy it dont get me wrong

but

its just too chaotic man

[glass mortar]

but gameplay over visuals at the end of the day

[proven ocean]

like

can we have slow outlaw again

cuz

this isn't fun at all

like

idk

and u know what i mean by slow outlaw

[random stirrup]

zeross is

[proven ocean]

not 100% AR uptime outlaw

[random stirrup]

[glass mortar]

it seems we are commited to this bit

until next rework anyway

[quiet ore]

I wish it had some reason to shift us off crackshot, so we weren't managing CS windows and UB at the same time

[proven ocean]

yeah

and like

fatebound is making outlaw even faster

which is sus

same with trickster i suppose

[glass mortar]

trickster should have gotten slower since kspree lasts longer and is cast more often now

probably not by a huge amount

[frank finch]

u can play fb non crackshot and have 100 % ar uptime in s3

[glass mortar]

but fatebound certainly gets faster with tier yea, altho i doubt its by that much

slightly more ogcds

i dont think its giving crazy adr cdr or anything

[quiet ore]

These have a compounding effect

[fathom bramble]

the answer to this it to make it so you aren't pressured to fire a Coup instantly

if you could store more than 4 stacks it would give you some control over what is going on

[proven ocean]

im so happy with what realz did with sin tier set in s3 for deasthstalker

its SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH FUN MAN

like

u have no idea

[fathom bramble]

instead of trying to jugglee things in a failing manner all the time

[proven ocean]

how much im enjoying it

no cappi

its actually fun

shiv consumes 1 mark

and shiv lasts 2 sec longer

thats like so nice

not to mention

it buffs deathstalker effects by 50%

which is amazing

more energy, funnel for m+

kinda cool

[red zinc]

Wait

It buffs singular focus?

[tender wedge]

it buffs ALL deathstalker effects

[civic zephyr]

Do we use ironclaw whetstone over algari mana oils?

[proven ocean]

yes

darkest night

everything

dmg and effects

[earnest basalt]

depends on what your haste is at i think

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah whetstones

algari haste is total last resort

[fresh frost]

Hey quick question i saw theyr adding a shadow meld potion can we use it to gain subterfuge ?

[proven ocean]

wtf'

what

no way

gonna check it out

is it on vendors

no looks like its just meld

prob worse than meld even but idk

didnt work on dummies

[glass mortar]

would a single crackshot window match the strength of a dps pot anyway

hmm

[daring oxide]

Nice cook

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes im at 3 EB and i feel like canceling KS with ambush

[red zinc]

The channel gets cancelled if you leave melee right

[gaunt phoenix]

no

it channels but nothing fires

[red zinc]

Oh

[wintry solar]

Proper KS usage is a cool skill check

[red zinc]

Thats decent then I guess

Esp if they move more dmg into it

[glass mortar]

does it continue to generate cp or do the attacks need to land

[gaunt phoenix]

it generates cp

[glass mortar]

funny

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess you can AR KS before key

[hollow temple]

its on pot cd

[gaunt phoenix]

to walk into it with unseen blades

[glass mortar]

mhm

[twin thunder]

does anyone have a weapon swap macro for the arathi weapon?

[glass mortar]

the pins have it

[twin thunder]

thank u

[hard nimbus]

guys unrelated to outlaw, can you farm raid renown rep on alts even after doing the bosses with main already? or maybe different difficulties coz i am like 4 track behind

[tender wedge]

no, weekly rep is warbound

not sure if there's catchup tho

[olive marten]

you just get more per kill

if youre behind

[tired basin]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[shell fossil]

the 4 piece trickster set bonus

[frail veldt]

If it had a guaranteed safety

But even if used correctly you're losing DPS delaying t

And it just feeeeels bad

I can't wait for new KS

[glass mortar]

i think popo was talking about new kspree

[tender wedge]

at that point in time i think he was sorta joking about current

[cedar kernel]

solo lord did u check the opener i imagine like if KS can shot without target we can have 3 charge of Supercharger also Unseenblade from KS in the first pull of Keys

[rigid basin]

Doubt it would be worth using it over a combat pot even if it did, would be funny tho

[glass mortar]

i read it as talking about how the range check keeps the skill check of kspree

if u use it at a bad time and need to leave melee range it just stops doing damage

but could be about old one as a meme

[tired basin]

does so tricky not work in keys?

[glass mortar]

it does

[tired basin]

weird

buff doesnt last an hr

[tender wedge]

the buff applies after you hit something

not when you cast tricks

[teal totem]

where do y'all use defensives during gallywix?

[lucid vale]

Has anyone tested belt in M Muggz? Is Bolts still best?

[tender wedge]

might get more out of crystal

[frail veldt]

Aaaah

[scarlet drum]

Holy shit. I'm a killing spree gamer now.

[indigo token]

how do I get a fresh 80 character on ptr

[pliant wave]

Copy your character after choose your region

[indigo token]

oh wait fr

man

ptr is so confounding

[cinder relic]

its so good

Especially in the center of a pack

Its lit

[night pond]

If it’s good enough for guy, it’s good enough for me

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emote-elpermassacre-gun-shoot-gif-437842987678609848

this is what new KS feels like

its great

[brave grove]

im using this macro for the night fall weapon for the gally weapon its not working , though it works on other weapons

[gaunt phoenix]

gally weapon cant be swapped

[brave grove]

well shoot

[indigo token]

question: with champ gear being available week 1, what pieces are we replacing

[glass mortar]

whatever pieces sims tell u 2 replace

[shell fossil]

what is new killing spree

is it blue post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zMF5oydyFM

[civic zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic gulch]

ah the algo's kicked in already has it

good to know lol

[cedar kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-overkill-dmc-shoot-gun-gif-11605117

me using KS

[civic zephyr]

is there a weakaura that tells me when to keep it rolling?

[fossil lintel]

i'd share mine but it bugs out sometimes and i haven't had the time to fix it

[civic zephyr]

ty anyhow

[radiant root]

[scarlet drum]

I'm liking the new killing spree on PTR. Is there a way to turn off the screen shake and jiggle as killing spree is going off?

[civic zephyr]

Hi

Druid main looking to expand

Outlaw seems fun, what should i expect from the spec experience

[grim spear]

fun

[rustic abyss]

able to get mythic gally wep or mythic mug wep which is prio?

[gaunt phoenix]

Mug

[rotund zodiac]

Hi chat

New KS is looking fine

[tight egret]

Is there a bug with twilight devastation? I just had 10 mugzee pulls in a row without it procing

[rotund zodiac]

[whole shoal]

hi ^^

[tight egret]

24 pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

Don't think so but the low rppm means the proc rate can be low

or perhaps mugzee can jump out of the way at the wrong time

[tight egret]

The second I left the raid it starting proccing

This was yesterday lol

[tender wedge]

I just did a 2 min dummy test and had charged bolts from belt proc zero times

I’m sure there’s some fuckery afoot with proc effects

[wintry solar]

Yall think they'll fix the animation?

[glass mortar]

its already known spark doesnt work on target dummies

[tender wedge]

confirmed

lol

[glass mortar]

ye been like that since servers came up

god forbid u be able to test this vs a dummy

[tender wedge]

charged crystal works at least

[neon oasis]

works vs the tank dummy

or stuff that hits u back

some of the pvp ones

[keen belfry]

so fucked man

[rigid basin]

Gottem

[fathom whale]

What’s damage like with ks on ptr? Guessing not tuned

[lyric saffron]

does charged bolts from the belt pull shit outta combat

[fierce sinew]

pretty sure it happens when a member of your party enters combat...thats when ive noticed it happening

[narrow blaze]

Morning Folks, i am interested in Outlaw and played it last in BFA - so basically i am a rookie.

Took my Assassination Gear (just replaced weapons and trinket, so crit/mastery heavy) and took some dungeons with friends to get a feeling. So far a blast.

Is anyone up for a Log Review and can give me some Feedback if i'm pressing the right buttons?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n3daD2wrXj4hTCzY?fight=4&type=damage-done

[tender wedge]

it'll proc on any enemy in combat - even if it's not in combat with you

so yeah if a party member gets in contact that would set it off

or if npcs are fighting dummies or other npcs like in dawnbreaker

[loud hazel]

GaaaaYs

what's up with olaw

???????????

what happened to KS

[tender wedge]

#fixed

[loud hazel]

it actually kills people now?

[tender wedge]

should kill YOU less

[loud hazel]

[tender wedge]

and you only move if you wanna

[loud hazel]

why tf they change it if i still can't kill ppl with a skill that has ''KILL'' on it's name

[olive marten]

wut

[loud hazel]

➡️ 🔫 🔫 🔫 🔫

[shell fossil]

[random stirrup]

ambush

[ancient echo]

for dumb-bum beginners like myself, is trickster or fatebound the simpler of the two specs for keys?

[cursive imp]

Trickster hidden opportunity with cheat death

[fathom whale]

I’m gunna go full mastery crit next patch. The tech

[quaint sable]

sandbagging the logs good!

[narrow blaze]

anyone on this ? 🙂 ☕

[fossil lintel]

Testing a bit more on the PTR, I feel like if we could build more than 4 stacks of the coup buff, and have coup remove 4 and leave the rest, it would unclog our rotation greatly and remove a bunch of unnecessary gotchas like low CP finishing to not overcap

Biggest problem is that we have to go KS -> finisher -> build with SS a couple times -> coup -> coup before we can go into a vanish to avoid overcapping it

Or have KS actually trigger the unseen blades until you're at 4 (without overcapping) so we either go KS -> coup coup or get out of KS with no procs to go and can safely vanish

[wintry solar]

GSW :OOOO

[stiff hawk]

Real and true

[fathom whale]

What does this mean

[frank finch]

nah

nah

nah

they gotta make ps consume ub

this dont feel right

[gloomy pasture]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[plush mesa]

So is the ks rework I thing? Saw this just now but can't find any source

[frank finch]

pin

[granite slate]

We liking the new KS?

[knotty abyss]

not randomly dead by press KS is big enough

[cedar kernel]

i think Trickster and Fatebound will be replace by something new next expac?

so S3 is the last season we can play Trickster and Fatebound i guess

wont do much change

[hollow temple]

they're supposed to be "ever green" features but man i hope they get replaced

[gaunt phoenix]

I assume they will be or iterated upon

[cedar kernel]

i thought they will change hero talent every expac, only the basic and spec talent are ever green

[nova sinew]

They barely thought of three for rogue and that was scraping the bottom of the barrel, I don’t think they could muster much else

I still hold out hope for Dalaran Sewer Rat hero talent for rogue

[cedar kernel]

i think Hero talent is like something "season/expac only", and maybe next expac Hero Talent will become history and something new coming

like combine the 1 in 3 talent make it into the talent tree

[hollow temple]

well, they specified that hero trees are 'evergreen content'

[nova sinew]

I can’t imagine them doing that it takes a lot of work to rework every single hero talent

[hollow temple]

but if you think about it, they're going to have to do a level squish or something soon

they can't just keep adding 10 talents every expac

and keeping all the same stuff gets stale

[cedar kernel]

maybe we will have a opposite hero talent, like trickster become honester

and Fatebound become Fatelosen

[nova sinew]

It’s been fatelose for a long while now

[cedar kernel]

DeathStriker become LiveStriker

[haughty galleon]

does cudgel not sim properly or am i doing it wrong?

[vale warren]

Only works in dslice

[grim spear]

still holding the same view

13 classes and 39 specs are already way too much

Now slap Hero Talents on top of that, and every spec needs two distinct talent branches that have to feel unique and thematically consistent, all while supposedly not increasing complexity?

Come on. If I were on the design team, I’d have handed in my resignation already.

[vale warren]

If it's too much work for the design team they can just hire more people

They're not an indie dev & this game has made like 10 billion dollars

[grim spear]

It’s not a people problem, it’s a design space problem.

[agile orchid]

they don't bother hiring QA

and you think they will hire devs

lmao

[grim spear]

When there’s no design space left, throwing more people at it won’t help.

Too many specs within the same role and class take up a huge amount of design space, yet contribute very little to actual gameplay variety.

Take 3 types of mages , they do have very distinct mechanics, and basically throwing different colored projectiles

but in reality, players just play whichever spec is strongest.

That means most of the work designing six Hero Talent trees for these three specs is effectively wasted. At the end of the day, they’re no different from alternate talent builds within a single spec.

[wintry solar]

Bet

I got plenty of "Increases damage done by Sinister Strike by 1%" left in me

[fathom whale]

Idk if I rather the current talent system or the MoP style talent system. I just play whatever they throw at me

[narrow blaze]

Bump

[normal forge]

problem with this KS implementation is that it is the right direction to correct ks main issue, and this is a big issue for this community cuz we wont have our main source of rant available anymore, good morning. 😛

[fathom whale]

I’m at work but I had a quick glance. You could be utilising subterfuge windows a lot better. You’re using dispatch a lot, priority out of subterfuge should be KS (if safe)

Interrupts are a bit low.

Priorities are just a bit off

[narrow blaze]

Thanks for that feedback, you fine with a DM and we talk when you're back ?

[fathom whale]

For sure

[near lichen]

So they change killing spree into bullet dance type ability?

[civic void]

There is a !log command where people might come and check, I don't really have time for more than a quick glance but you have an extremely low amount of killing spree, which means low amount of coup and a lot of cdr loss
Afaik wowanalyzer works well enough for your build so you can get some easy feedback from that (take it with a grain of salt if it goes against what you read in the FAQ, idk how perfect it is)

[narrow blaze]

Okay, I hesitated to use KS a lot, got a bit afraid that it kills me

[fading hatch]

Not an unreasonable concern in fairness. Its a brave spec. Trying to save cloak for it can help in some situations

Next patch killing spree gonna hit like crack

There are issues with it but i will not die as a result of pressing my damage buttons and thats enough for me

[civic void]

You would rather send a low cp KS than delay the amount you do to proc unseen blades

[narrow blaze]

Okay, I guess the KS usage is my main concern, rest goes in right direction basically?

[civic void]

It looks like you tend to sinister strike too much when you could pistol shot or ambush with procs and I'm not sure you always rtb when you had less than 4 buffs

[narrow blaze]

Yeah, found myself sometimes in crack window and Rtb was bleeping to roll. Should I delay a crack window and roll before hand I guess

Hm my sinister gets overwritten automatically when ambush is up. Pistol shot, I agree could be used more

[inland acorn]

You can roll in crack windows

[narrow blaze]

You but I lose a gcd !?

[inland acorn]

But you gain supercharges

[civic void]

But gets supercharger at the best time

[narrow blaze]

Fair

[inland acorn]

Though if you have like 1s left on sub window you can probably wait after

[civic void]

I think the minmax is that if will lose a bte you could hold it but I wouldn't bother and I don't think it moves dps much

[inland acorn]

No it doesnt, more of feels good/bad

[narrow blaze]

Okay, thanks for your feedback - got some direction to work on.

Will shifting my complete crit/mastery gear to haste/versa be a big impact DPS and gameplaywise ?

[inland acorn]

yes

Especially getting haste, to lower gcd for adrenaline

after that dump vers/crit (best to sim, usually it's vers>crit, but you never know)

[civic void]

Gameplay wise not sure, might be a bit less energy starved during lows since you play HO GS but I believe you have the required amount of haste for it to be playable (to lower gcd during AR)

[inland acorn]

In the log he doesn't have GS

So might actually be fine with his haste, though only sim can answer that

Also, idk if you have access to it, but you could probably get capo offhand, and switch to it on bosses in m+ (cudgel doesn't reset with vanish on bosses, because they keep you in combat)

[civic void]

Ah then it's definitely fine might even be too much haste

[loud wing]

Whats the general feeling around the new KS?

[exotic agate]

KS change sounds like it's channeled frontal cone as it hits random targets if multiple

[agile orchid]

has anyone tried to use KS with their back turned to dummies to see if it's actually a cone?

[vivid vessel]

It's not a cone

It fire at targets

they are using that animation from plunderstorm i thnk

the auto attack thing

it was similar iirc

actually might be slithglty different idk

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message

it attacks one target it just shoots toward the target of that attack

if you only have targets behind you it will look like you are spraying shots behind you

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix there is actually a split trinket that isnt cringe, the main damage is always the same on your target, very good

[narrow blaze]

@civic void @inland acorn playing with 6% haste

[open meadow]

Does anyone know how up to date is wowanalizer for M+?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix i didnt understand that way, and maybe you also didnt, but fatebound just makes adr 2min30 instead of 3min, i tought it was doing -30s everytime you hit lucky coin

[narrow blaze]

6% haste even with HO is bad I guess ?!

[mighty pivot]

6% is very low for any spec variation

[leaden folio]

yes its bad

[lone spear]

craft a couple haste jewlery and she'll be right mate

[leaden folio]

it was ok at dragonflight

kek

or use flask of haste

[inland acorn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[narrow blaze]

There is no haste if you come from kingsbane

[agile orchid]

Pretty sure assa rogue likes a bit of haste

[leaden folio]

use flask of haste and some craft

[mighty pivot]

that's how I understood it but what wasn't clear is whether it just stays as long as you keep the lucky coin or has some sort of duration of its own

[winter egret]

whats the pre m+ usage of AR/RtB etc look like? is there a ! command?

[civic void]

Oh yeah no I thought you had double that, might have been seeing another log

Forget what I said about it not being impactful then

[vivid vessel]

ye its just while coin is up

i didnt understand it that way at first

and the way its worded in the pin

he prolly didnt understand it that way either

or maybe he did

solo is very smart

im not

[winter egret]

for KIR build

[inland acorn]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[winter egret]

thank you!4

[proven ocean]

Hard ass glazer

[vivid vessel]

ross

[fluid iron]

you just jaelous he glazing solo and not you

[vivid vessel]

your ass is spread appart

[fluid iron]

it dont need no glazing xD

[vivid vessel]

fr

[proven ocean]

when i try to type something but it doesnt mean shit because idk how to type

[vivid vessel]

mad cause spread ass

gg

[proven ocean]

[mighty pivot]

I believe he did based on what he wrote. -30s CDR on AR once per lucky coin would be horrible, but -30s base cd reduction while the lucky coin is up doesn't feel too rewarding either. And GS already has very high uptime so that part buffs target swaps mostly I suppose?

[narrow blaze]

For m+, what is the right opener, ambush or start blasting crack with AR ?

[vivid vessel]

why would dit be horrible

i think it procs often now

but this 2min30 adr is prolly better

[lone spear]

adr after bubble drops so you keep CP, and ye just start cranking BtE

!prekey

[inland acorn]

!prekey

[mighty pivot]

for it to be better* than 30s base you'd need to proc lucky coins more than once per AR cycle

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[lone spear]

editing it did not fix xdd

[vivid vessel]

yes

[narrow blaze]

So basically no ambush? Just for CP if needed

[lone spear]

yea, you dont need to press it if max CP

even if unseen blade debuff falls off

[mighty pivot]

yeah I don't see that happening often, unless the buffed Edge Case from 2p is better than it looks (but you only get that once per AR cycle anyway). But also, because AR doesn't even pandemic, what do you get by being able to start new AR cycle a few seconds faster if you could proc the -30s a couple times (assuming you wouldn't drop it)? It's just for the max CP at that point, or it might allow you to recover some more vanish

[lethal fable]

Hey anyone else having issues with the new belt pulling when ur in stealth (M+)

[gentle vector]

Yeah - but you can just add a cancel aura stealth macro for the buff so that it's never up while you're in stealth to deal with it

[subtle field]

Do we like fatebound or trickster more in the next season? The 2:30 adr sounds cool

[lethal fable]

oh nice, have u got the macro??

[mighty pivot]

check the disc pin

[gentle vector]

#showtooltip
/cast Stealth
/cancelaura Charged Bolts

[lethal fable]

legend bro thanks

[narrow blaze]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[mighty pivot]

was there a bot ban wave? some reagent prices have more than doubled on EU

[normal forge]

what is this about? https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-permanent-and-soulgorged-augment-rune-in-patch-11-2-377343?utm_source=discord-webhook

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

New dh spec playing it atm

Kinda cool

Does kinda crazy uncap aoe no cappi

[vivid vessel]

you think im a fool?

[hidden bay]

Rotation hard?

[worldly shale]

omg its real

[sweet badge]

First believable screenshot I've seen so far

[red zinc]

This one might actually be believable if they didnt just reuse other class ability icons

Rotated void torrent my beloved

@proven ocean just watched a video on new enhance

45second ascendance where you only have to press windstrike

pinnacle of gameplay truly

[proven ocean]

Enh is turbo broken

Maybe nerf soon

Sin needs buffs tho

[red zinc]

Honestly for me its just funny as fuck

You literally press nothing else

Just the same button for 45s

No way its ever been this bad in modern retail

[wary bridge]

How i feel about DH

[edgy phoenix]

The corruption enchants going away in s3? crazy

[naive river]

I went on the ptr to see the new KS and I kinda love it and the animation and sound lol

[sweet badge]

aren't they removing the turbo boost too?

[edgy phoenix]

I mean ye turbo boost makes sense

[vivid vessel]

it was the same thing when i played the raid build in df

you would press windstrike only

[edgy phoenix]

But enchants lmao

[vivid vessel]

almost perma

it was the most boring shit

i had ever played

idk how people can enjoy this enhance build ngl

you go into asc and you press one button

its stupid

i dont get why it auto uses finishers

xd

[charred comet]

is anyone of u guys using the rtb weakaura?

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

Yes me

I use rotation helpers

Cannot play without it impossible

[red zinc]

Yeye

But tempest made it slightly diff

Now you dont have to anymore, and ascendance is way longer

[charred comet]

@proven ocean arent u a sin weirdo?

[red zinc]

sez u

[proven ocean]

arent u the guy who pushes +11 keys

Who sucks on all 3 rogue specs

?

[charred comet]

@proven ocean keyboard warrior vibes

[red zinc]

Why are you trying to argue with him

Cant go any lower than him

Hes under the bedrock

[proven ocean]

Mad cuz bad

[edgy phoenix]

did anyone test assa burst with 40k agi trink

[proven ocean]

No but zac can test ur ass wide open

Certified ass tester

@vivid vessel thoughts?

[edgy phoenix]

[wary bridge]

But it doesnt tell you to use AR and vanish🤓

[late swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231784709634265128/1383989341147365456/IMG_9198.gif

[hybrid crown]

Maybe you could macro like ADR vanish to another button and just spam two buttons

You would immediately waste a vanish charge

[swift oasis]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hybrid crown]

But other than that it's not a huge deal..maybe

[hardy tartan]

does it feel sluggish?

i didn't see it in the notes, and hopeful more updates and changes are in the works for outlaw, but did I miss anything regarding our rotation's dependency on vanish?

[rigid basin]

Nope

[hardy tartan]

rip

still fun, but im over it at this point

[restive obsidian]

anyone know the following

1. Killing spree and 2 piece interaction. IE, you have 2 charges after killing spree ...do you back to 2 or does it just fail as 2 piece
2. Does the 2 piece have any combat log trackable ?
3. do you just jam a low combo point 2nd coup de grace so you don't waste unseen blade procs?

[rigid basin]

Yeah crackshot is way too important to ever make outlaw not dependant on vanish

[vapid blaze]

"2pc is good for dps though it's annoying we can't track the reset"

[red zinc]

ideal rotations arent figured out after 1 day of ptr

With the amount of stuff that will probably change that stuff isnt looked into that deeply

[restive obsidian]

the 4 piece doesn't allow more escalating blade stacks to be given during that 5 second 4 piece window. hence the question

[civic void]

For your first point, I assume it's going to work like it does currently, you can have 2 UB from KS and 1 from regular attacks, I expect the one from the regular attacks to be the one reset by 2p

[hardy tartan]

i was hoping there would be an actual rework for outlaw

[rigid basin]

Def not hahahaha

[hardy tartan]

hahaha rogues most hated class

i just leveled another one up (last time i leveled a rogue i cant even remember), and that shit was miserable

[rigid basin]

If we do get one prolly Midnight, but I don't see it happening tbh

[hardy tartan]

would be nice but I think you're right

whatever, least KS is fixed

remove target cap next and ill stop crying until midnight

[restive obsidian]

fix vanish interaction in open world /solo content is my last wish list