illidan/area52
#outlaw
hollow temple
glass mortar
im here for it
mighty pivot
they are all cringe because they are na 
red zinc
oh yeah
vivid vessel
illidan
red zinc
i was actually gonna look at that journal to see what kind of spec it woudl be
vivid vessel
ok
red zinc
holdon
lime lake
Ngl I'm starting to think the void dh stuff is just like green fire for warlocks
vivid vessel
i know illidan
hollow temple
it doesn't
glass mortar
would people like a ranged dps dh that just threw a ton of glaives
lime lake
Adding a new spec with hero talents would be super fucky
glass mortar
idk if its just another melee and void themed dh
hollow temple
imma go area 52
hahahaha noob !
glass mortar
w/e new stuff is fun
lime lake
Like how are they gonna do that
glass mortar
i aint gunna knock it
hollow temple
ur just a noob
glass mortar
sub doesnt really pull off the void fantasy at all even tho it does shadow damage so
i think theres space
red zinc
let me cook
vivid vessel
I cant be joining a server for noobs !
vivid vessel
OK !
lime lake
Moonguard
red zinc
like look
lime lake
You'd fit in there
red zinc
these are the two dh's in that boss
dapper sierra
so now that one button is a thing, how behind is it? im curious xD
red zinc
very obviously abilities from their specs
glass mortar
ya
hollow temple
so now that one button is a thing, how behind is it? im curious xD
-30%+
remote pecan
-100% because it will use KS on cd and actively try to kill you
red zinc
hmm
glass mortar
so now that one button is a thing, how behind is it? im curious xD
if u scroll down in the pins we have sims pinned about it
red zinc
its a dps spec probably
random stirrup
imma go area 52
A52 well known stable server 
covert kestrel
Malganis! Join da homiez
glass mortar
i mean i think its 100% a dps spec
random stirrup
The EU brain could not comprehend our downtime
vivid vessel
A52 well known stable server <:Clueless:947159641685635082>
is it a server for degenerates?
imma join that one
glass mortar
zero shot its support or healer that would be beyond stretching
lime lake
It's the server for downtime enjoyers
random stirrup
is it a server for degenerates?
No it just goes down decently often during prog lmao
hollow temple
is it a server for degenerates?
just go illidan if u really care, but it won't matter
devs prolly ignore the tryhard server users
and cater to the casual rando server posters
random stirrup
We had multiple raid nights this tier a52 just went kaboom for like 30 mins 
hollow temple
so
lime lake
Devs only listen to ragnaros gamers
vivid vessel
and cater to the casual rando server posters
souinds like the most fake shit you ever said noob
rigid basin
It's always funny when all our A52 players DC at the same time during a raid night
hollow temple
souinds like the most fake shit you ever said noob
do devs listen to ppl like u? no. so try to blend in with the casuals.
hollow temple
i already hold shares
hybrid crown
I mean look at the one button rotation
glass mortar
what does foreverguy have to do with this
its well known he is the #1 shareholder
basically puppets blizzard like a glove
u guys think hes being contrarian
hollow temple
nah
glass mortar
little did u know, hes just agreeing with himself
hollow temple
guy just loves the game
glass mortar
💅
keen belfry
idk if im crazy but i kinda like KS on ptr, i like channeling and seeing combo points come back. i may be being gaslit by the sheer cdr im getting and actually like that part instead
glass mortar
i mean its fine
just speed it up a lil
and its nearly perfect
the random targets is probably a lost cause
keen belfry
double coup is nasty
glass mortar
kspree is destined to suffer thru some form of silly rng for the "cool" factor
keen belfry
coup ps coup is so fun
glass mortar
rng targets better then rng teleports
keen belfry
i wonder if wasting combo points (PS at like 3/4) for 2nd coup is good or bad
hybrid crown
Yeah you can keep your position for bf
rigid basin
Beeeeg mount
knotty needle
yeah and then use a bunch of toys and items to increase the size of it like a normal mount
warped tide
does any big boi have a weapon change/swap macro on hand?
echo tide
why cant they just ship this KS fix rn
Not enough blood has been given to the blood gods
Yet
rigid basin
Yeah we need to brick many more keys with it first
covert kestrel
does any big boi have a weapon change/swap macro on hand?
in da pins
warped tide
in da pins
thanks!
covert kestrel
what raid renown are we at
lyric steeple
Is it better to stack 1 gem or have differnent kind for socekts?
fossil lintel
idk if im crazy but i kinda like KS on ptr, i like channeling and seeing combo p...
I enjoyed it as well when testing on the PTR, but it takes too long, I started cancelling when I got to 6-7 cp
keen belfry
I enjoyed it as well when testing on the PTR, but it takes too long, I started c...
i dont mind the time too much, feels like a nice swing of slow into fast crackshot. biggest issue is still ks is jus ALWAYS up on ptr rn
but i think it should be reduced
esp considering you probably for sure dont want to supercharge it
fossil lintel
Yeah, I actually had a situation where I was back at 2 vanish charges 6 min into a dummy testing
Didn't drop AR or anything, just had a streak of good rolls
You'll never want to supercharge it because it would just waste CPs if we're meant to hold it to the end
keen belfry
i was at 2 vanishes charges super often
loud wing
mate how do you fix bnet updates taking 2 hours
fossil lintel
Did you try fatebound? It's ridiculous levels of cdr
keen belfry
its funny
so much GS too
i do like how its positive feedback loop
more coin = more adr = more gs = more edge flip thing = more coin
fossil lintel
I tried fatebound without crackshot / ace and you still 100% adr
keen belfry
i wonder if u can have same crazy tails streaks
keen belfry
I tried fatebound without crackshot / ace and you still 100% adr
shhh
random stirrup
what if fatebound just had ramp damage like it already sort of does with lucky coin
each time you proc lucky coin you just reduce vanish cd as well (and they stack)
keen belfry
fatebound needs aoe node still
random stirrup
long raid boss fight youre just perma vanish
fossil lintel
Without crackshot tails was 20% of my damage
keen belfry
thats a lot
fossil lintel
Yeah
keen belfry
dispatch is a quite good button for fatebound too
glass mortar
fatebound has some fundemental aoe issues that need addressing
a ghostly strike tier set makes taking PC pretty hard
keen belfry
oh shit ur right
glass mortar
and PC is pretty fucking strong in m+
keen belfry
i kinda want to not 1fth anymore
fossil lintel
Oh I was just testing with 1fth all the time
fossil lintel
Idk I don't play ho
glass mortar
but also i hope fatebound stays bad notsorry
keen belfry
same hehe
glass mortar
the way it loses prio in aoe is still cringe
fossil lintel
KS is sick as well, but the "need to be put down" kind of sick
glass mortar
they put it down thankfully, the worst aspects of it r gone and cant haunt us anymore
keen belfry
what if they make KS hit really hard
fossil lintel
Yeah, even if they don't change anything I think outlaw will be a banger next season for m+
keen belfry
and only refuns max combo points
instead of overcap
and channel a little faster
and cleave off main target
glass mortar
well i assume something will change to make it so u dont wanna cancel it
sullen surge
quick question, how does the new KS work? does it hit multiple targets at the same time or is it just one random target at a time?
glass mortar
rn it definitly feels like canceling it could be the play
keen belfry
ye
glass mortar
it shoots 1 random target at a time per attack
keen belfry
gross
rigid basin
fossil lintel
Yeah, I think that is the one thing that definitely needs changing
sullen surge
unlucky, would have been a cool interaction with BF, to get a higher cap for a few secs
keen belfry
why is the amount of CP it generates rng? why can it generate more than 7?
fossil lintel
Make it attack your target
glass mortar
is it rng or is it u having broadsides
fossil lintel
The loss of prio is super sad
glass mortar
and not realizing
keen belfry
is it rng or is it u having broadsides
whats the tooltip say about refunding
rigid basin
Hopefully they change the prio bit
keen belfry
i genuinely dont know what its supposed to refund
fossil lintel
Or make it actual aoe + bladeflurry from each target so we can quadratic scale
glass mortar
i thought it just gave 1 cp per attack, so basically it fully refunds itself
except when we spend we dont go to zero, we go to 1 or 2
and then broadside could amplify it
mighty pivot
broadside doesn't affect KS' cp generation
mighty pivot
it's ruthlessness yes
glass mortar
u never go to zero cp
fossil lintel
It just gives 1 cp per CP spebt
fossil lintel
But you get CP back from the passive as well
glass mortar
itll always refill u in either 5 or 6 attacks
hell after a coup usage it could refund u after 4 attacks
fossil lintel
Yeah
glass mortar
since coup can technically proc a third cp if its supercharged
keen belfry
u never go to zero cp
how does ruthlesness reward more than one combo point
fossil lintel
I actually wouldn't mind if it was designed to be cancelled
fossil lintel
Once you get to max cp
glass mortar
100% chance at 1
fossil lintel
Or just make it auto end at max CP and deal the rest of the damage instantly
sullen surge
and there are no news about changing the target cap no? I think i heard something about it on a recent interview
keen belfry
what if they just make it consume each combo point it generates shooting out like a 1combo point dispatch
during the channel
something like that
glass mortar
i think it refunding cp feels akward because its core rotational design rn is to ready 2 unseen blades for trickster
and u wanna spend those asap to coup
but by generating its delaying u spending them
keen belfry
yeah so you generate points but KS also spends them during the channel so you leave at 0 combo points
restive obsidian
I don't like it's random targets. I would prefer hit a main target and hit additional targets in 8 yards
fossil lintel
0 CP is awkward
fossil lintel
Actually it would leave you at ruthless cps
glass mortar
many of us have complained about this
keen belfry
yeah just leave at ruthless cps then
fossil lintel
Or more
keen belfry
having ks double send combo points would be fun
fossil lintel
Since the dispatch would have a 20% of refunding
keen belfry
imagine it sending out 8 1cp dispatches
restive obsidian
best flavour would be.
30 yard range
main target + random targets within 8 yards of the target take damage
glass mortar
ok but would this thing be op if it had normal pistol range
why is it even shorter range then old kspree btw
keen belfry
can you range yourself
rigid basin
why is it even shorter range then old kspree btw
I was curious about this as well
keen belfry
like press it then grapple hook out
glass mortar
i assume u just shoot air
fossil lintel
I tested turning my back and it still works
glass mortar
if u had to leave melee ud just cancel it probably
keen belfry
did u know it hits your closest target
restive obsidian
I tested turning my back and it still works
Ya I thought it was a cone because of the visual but you just spray your back area
glass mortar
idk its not perfect but its a cute fix and i hope they improve it some more
fossil lintel
Which is good for last boss of priory
keen belfry
like
i can grappale way from a dummy and it starts hitting a different dummy instead
that im not in combat with
glass mortar
r u sure the original dummies were still in range of u
restive obsidian
yes
keen belfry
yeah
glass mortar
or maybe it was just hitting the only thing in range
keen belfry
only thin g in range
restive obsidian
it doens't cancel if you grapple out
glass mortar
ah yea im not surprised itll hit stuff out of combat
its basically an active ongoing aoe "swirl" during the channel
like a FoF would be
even if it is st hits
fossil lintel
Fof still does prio, no?
keen belfry
glass mortar
fof isnt random im just talking about how if u run out of range itll hit stuff u werent originally trying to hit or in combat with
its acting like ur casting an aoe
FoF does highest damage to ur primary target and reduced to all others
fossil lintel
Just need a "die die die" sound there
mighty pivot
anything in the vicinity is a valid target (including immune mines 
)
restive obsidian
we going to be hitting dead bodies again
fossil lintel
Yeah it's bad for m+ if you pull trash with the boss
mighty pivot
you cannot really pull with this tbh its range is tiny
rigid basin
Make it uncapped too why not
mighty pivot
sniper spec
restive obsidian
you just basically reminded me that rogues have shitty barrage now
fossil lintel
Yep, it's the "it's cold today" barrage
mighty pivot
barrage was never single target was it?
fossil lintel
No, barrage was primarily a pack pulling tool
glass mortar
barrage was always aoe, it being ST makes sense since our aoe design is BF
mighty pivot
more like pulling half the screen
glass mortar
only spell in our whole kit that doesnt BF is BF cast itself and BR right?
the random targets nonsense is just silly
mighty pivot
BR gets double cleave damage from BF so it still benefits somewhat
glass mortar
ye even it interacts
daring oxide
Yes the random targets function of KS can have some severely negative side effects when dealing with CC, or immune targets (mines in mugzee, adds with shields like in OAB, etc)
proven ocean
daring oxide
Might just be best to make it focus attacks on the target as originally
daring oxide
Or make it hit everything
daring oxide
Do quests
proven ocean
did u do them
daring oxide
Hmm not sure
proven ocean
cuz idk
daring oxide
I’ll try tonight
fossil lintel
Probably?
mighty pivot
it will for sure given that even your abilities break it
random stirrup
point and laugh at this pvp player
hollow temple
certain channels immune certain CC
mighty pivot
otherwise it'd be rogue bladestorm
cedar elm
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
fossil lintel
The dummy never cc'ed me so idk
mighty pivot
noob dummy
rigid basin
otherwise it'd be rogue bladestorm
Should just rename it plunderstorm 
mighty pivot
demolish
fossil lintel
Bladestorm?
hollow temple
there's a couple channels that baseline are immune to CC or certain types of CC
hybrid crown
Strafe
hollow temple
and there's a couple that have talents/pvp talents to go with them
even old KS breaks roots for example
restive obsidian
ah even better example.
restive obsidian
This is strafe -lite from diablo
glass mortar
Dfa not a channel
mighty pivot
KS is immune to knockbacks too
glass mortar
I know ww takes 2 pvp talents to make their 2 channels have stuff
hollow temple
Dfa not a channel
not a channel, but has a strange cast time interaction
glass mortar
Idk of any channels baseline immune to cc tho
restive obsidian
it ignores interrupts
mighty pivot
demolish has baseline cc immunity for most cc
glass mortar
Melee channels can't be kicked generally
craggy barn
huge
hollow temple
does new ks get kciked
these are the things i'm tryina find out
rigid basin
Spellschool: Gun
glass mortar
Can't kick eye beam or fof or warriors channel
hollow temple
Idk of any channels baseline immune to cc tho
there's a couple bro
solid cairn
locked out of gun :^(
glass mortar
I'm thinking of every channel in the game rn and I can't think of one
hollow temple
its been said multiple times?
mighty pivot
demolish...
hollow temple
l0l
rigid basin
I guess there is none smh my head
glass mortar
I didnt see that said earlier
glass mortar
Demolish is news to me ive never seen it cast in pvp but I believe u
rigid basin
Literally none
hollow temple
Demolish is news to me ive never seen it cast in pvp but I believe u
demolish has been pretty meta this entire expansion
rigid basin
It's funny that demolish still gets cucked by knocks, have had my arms half over that in keys :p
glass mortar
Ye I think that just tells u how much warrior I've seen in shuffle this expac
Surprisingly little
Bs not a channel but sure it's similar
mighty pivot
It's funny that demolish still gets cucked by knocks, have had my arms half over...
knockups? because it's supposed to be immune to knockbacks etc
hollow temple
glass mortar
I think ive faced it like 4 times idk
Does fury have demolish
I faced them a bunch early this season
mighty pivot
no only arms and prot
glass mortar
Ah
hollow temple
arms yh
rigid basin
knockups? because it's supposed to be immune to knockbacks etc
Think it was knockbacks (which it's supposed to immune) but I've heard him mald about it enough to know it isn't 100%
sturdy tartan
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
short aurora
Hello mates, I have a question about the new Belt. Are the Charge Bolts the the must have or can I choose an another one? Because it sucks when the Bolts attack an enemy while I´m in stealth.
glass mortar
Idk u guys made it sound like there's a bunch of channels with built in cc immunity and I have seen a singular one in this whole convo
hollow temple
Hello mates, I have a question about the new Belt. Are the Charge Bolts the the ...
use a stealth macro
rigid basin
There is macro
hollow temple
to cancelaura the belt
cinder relic
I think part of the random targeting for ks is to give the visual more oomph. Since if ur in the center of a pack it'll actually target all around u with the blasts yk
rigid basin
It's in the pins @short aurora
short aurora
Oh thx a lot ^^
craggy barn
do u have to fucking spam that shit
ive had it proc on first dungeon pull of dfc not doing anything
glass mortar
U know what tho outlaw had a bunch of pvp talents taken away with no return
craggy barn
or im a dumbass and saw somthing else happen
hollow temple
New kspree pvp talent when
thaswhaimsayin
craggy barn
new kspree pvp talent
hollow temple
knomsayin?
craggy barn
adds teleport back into it
gaunt field
Dose the new killing spree cancel if u press like a spell in it Chanel
craggy barn
imagine new ks
glass mortar
I'm so down
craggy barn
but teleporting around
hollow temple
Dose the new killing spree cancel if u press like a spell in it Chanel
yes
craggy barn
now THAT would look sick
gaunt field
Please see no I keep accidentally doing that on surv eagle thingy
civic zephyr
anyone have BIS for keys?
hollow temple
Please see no I keep accidentally doing that on surv eagle thingy
use macros ..............
gaunt field
use macros ..............
That requires skill
rigid basin
Just don't hit another button 
wicked sigil
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
civic zephyr
!bis
mighty pivot
Give it cc immunity
good suggestion, you now get a talent to be immune to sleeps during KS
carmine verge
do we have tricks spell ID?
hollow temple
That requires skill
you can add a macro line to your abilities so that they don't break channels. requires ZERO skill.
craggy barn
theres a bis list in wowhead
but bis kinda doesnt matter
aside from cantrip weapons
hollow temple
if you're playing wow and unwilling to take a minute to make some macros
idk what to say
fathom bramble
I think a lot of people are going to have this problem and outlaw will finally have a meaningful macro
mighty pivot
iykyk
agile badge
Is there any reason to spend combopoints at 1-3 ?
craggy barn
u can do a low combopoint kill spree if u absolutely need to
like to not stay in ks too long for dodge mechanics
so u can get UB proc
hollow temple
i just have having to make multiple no channel macros
i don't like it either, but sometimes you gotta
craggy barn
yea
fathom bramble
I feel like their should be a global setting for this
craggy barn
its gonna be great if we have to cancel early 🙂
fathom bramble
especially for a skill like new KS where there isn't really a reason to cancel it early
assuming it is good damage
civic zephyr
i need the command gods to link the spreadsheet for mythic plus bis please
hollow temple
i need the command gods to link the spreadsheet for mythic plus bis please
just sim gear
cinder relic
If cancel aura ks is correct it needs to be changed
civic zephyr
surely someone simmed all the gear already
fathom bramble
talking about canceling new ks
hollow temple
surely someone simmed all the gear already
bis lists are ass
fathom bramble
which is just a cast that you can cancel by pressing any offensive spell
craggy barn
bro if theres a bis list out right now for patch that shit is stupid
nothing is tuned yet
civic zephyr
catch me buying mythic iron thumb with a dinar for m+
craggy barn
if u want live, just look at rio top rogue gear
or even archon gg which has the population usage
random stirrup
catch me buying mythic iron thumb with a dinar for m+
you cant swap it so that one is bad
civic zephyr
the top outlaw rogue tomelvis using a champion off hand, surely this is bait
cinder relic
civic zephyr
wtf
mighty pivot
tomelvis is known for trolling, he even uses house of cards
fathom bramble
If cancel aura ks is correct it needs to be changed
I think there's also a pretty reasonable chance we end up wanting to cancel KS at 7cp if they don't make it shorter and/or harder hitting
but if the design intent is that we never cancel it then I would expect it to get buffed if that arises anyway
rigid basin
Is there any reason to spend combopoints at 1-3 ?
If you really need to get off Killing Spree but it won't be safe to do so by the time you hit 5/6+ is really the only situation
craggy barn
i just think it sohuldnt refund cps at all
rigid basin
I might be wrong tho giga sleep deprived ATM
cinder relic
but if the design intent is that we never cancel it then I would expect it to ge...
Based on what realz said yesterday it's getting a cd increase and a damage increase so
fathom bramble
refund CP is a nice way to make the time feel less wasted
cinder relic
Maybe back load the damage too
fathom bramble
it seems like super short is just not on the table
neon oasis
it should just be heavily hasted have it be a giga fast chanel big dam during ar and lust and shit
fathom bramble
I would prefer it to be 2 gcds without any CP scaling
cinder relic
It's not gonna be a fast channel
fathom bramble
but it's just not going to happen so a longer channel done weell would still be nice
keen belfry
any idea if CC stops the channel
Maybe but also maybe not
craggy barn
just duel in ptr
hollow temple
glass mortar
It should do something when It overcaps cps maybe or when u finish cast in addition to the cp gen
Cause it's gunna overcap u 100% of the time
Sometimes by quite a bit
keen belfry
My friend ruptured his kidney and I wanted to ask why he was playing sub or sin
glass mortar
Fof has a few effects that proc off finishing the channel
I mean what I care about is how much it overcaps not that it gives them per attack
Making it give all at the end doesnt fix that
craggy barn
well it wouldnt overcap if it only gave u cps at the end
glass mortar
Guess it fixes ever canceling
fathom bramble
why does it matter how much it overcaps
glass mortar
Cause it feels bad mostly to sit at max cp generating more
Less so when a hit just generates a ton
That go to overcapping
So all at end would also work yea
glass mortar
It's the same yes
They are the same
More punishing the later by a little bit but thats it
fathom bramble
except instantly gaining them at the end of KS is more potenetially punishing
glass mortar
Mhm
keen belfry
I think when they release new KS I’m gonna talk about how I miss the old KS
fathom bramble
canceling the KS cast by accident with a 2cp finisher
keen belfry
Make KS consume the combo points it normally generates
fathom bramble
fun fact: Dreadblades generated 10 additional combo points whenever it triggered
keen belfry
Ty
fathom bramble
thus technically overcapping insane amounts of combo points
glass mortar
All at once tho yea
rigid basin
Cause it's gunna overcap u 100% of the time
Time for outlaw Shadowcraft kekw
fathom bramble
the 2nd hit of 10 was slightly delayed with a double hit of SS I think
glass mortar
I just think it feels bad to sit sit at cap and continue to cap when u could do something else u know
fathom bramble
but esseentially all at once
fathom bramble
I would rather have the combo points be gained over the duration of the channel I think
or get generated instantly at the start of the channel
assuming we don't cancel KS regardless
glass mortar
Need to change something to keep it from being cancelled then but yea that feels more fluid
I mean I think currently u 100% do
rigid basin
If they did that it would have to do enough damage so we never canceled ye
neon oasis
make it like demolish
mighty pivot
just have it do like +15% damage if you're at max CP. Boom you get incentive to fully channel it
neon oasis
just not cancelable
no moving
and have it release a big cannonball at the very end
turbo dam
glass mortar
God no being able to move during it is breat
rigid basin
We had enough of that with current KS lol
neon oasis
demolish also goes really fast with haste
glass mortar
4s is assume our normal haste
mighty pivot
4s demolish would be hilarious
neon oasis
in visions with the gift of the titans it just goes insta
agile badge
Hekili sometimes calls me to spend like 1-3 CP at Dispatch. Does ist make any sense?
hollow temple
No
agile badge
i dont know my potential without it. it seems pretty good for me with some small adjustments in my own taste and timing CD´s into dungeon
have like 3,2 Rio atm
rigid basin
Yeah it's passable, it just makes a lot of suboptimal recommendations
carmine verge
is there a way of displaying tricks of the trade active on a party member on cell?
agile badge
Yeah it's passable, it just makes a lot of suboptimal recommendations
have some time to talk?
keen belfry
i dont know my potential without it. it seems pretty good for me with some small...
You gotta practice
Hekili shouldn’t be a crutch it should be a guide at the start
(I also don’t think anyone should use hekili but that’s subjective)
neon oasis
I would love if every single person in my keys used hekili lmao
rigid basin
have some time to talk?
In like an hour or so @work ATM
neon oasis
Some of the overalls ive seen in 12-14s are fucking embarassing
fathom bramble
there are some rare situations where you would press dispatch(coup de grace) at low combo points
agile badge
there are some rare situations where you would press dispatch(coup de grace) at ...
seems like it tracks the rare situations - but why is it go tho?
whats the sense behind spending low?
fathom bramble
it's a rule that could be considered optional
but it's a gain so hekili has it I guess
short aurora
Sry dudes but the makro for the charged Bolt doesnt work. Is it possible because of the german Version i play?
sudden fulcrum
probably the stealth one in the pins
short aurora
Yes. The Macro that is pinned of the Belt
brave lagoon
Yeah if your game is in another language I'd bet you need to use the German names
glass mortar
oh yea u need to translate all the parts to ur native language
or w/e language ur macros are using
short aurora
Yeah if your game is in another language I'd bet you need to use the German name...
Thx a lot dudes. I try it^^ Thx for help
glass mortar
u should be able to mouseover the buff u get from it ingame to see the name you are cancelauraing
prisma vapor
So just to be clear we can swap in M+ content weapons ??? and Swap out the nightfall for other wep if we go ST?
glass mortar
yes other then gallywix weapon
thorny spruce
yes other then gallywix weapon
What is the reason that weapon doesn't swap? I know its buns in keys anyways but curious on why that one doesn't swap
glass mortar
because blizzard said so
stuck timber
What is a lucky coin:p
glass mortar
because there exists the possibility of getting the bonus of its effect without the cost of equipping the weapon since its stacks last forever
glass mortar
What is a lucky coin:p
capstone of fatebound hero talent
glass mortar
because there exists the possibility of getting the bonus of its effect without ...
same as fyrakk weapons basically
stuck timber
7 in a row thingy? Lemme go read it
glass mortar
actually lucky coin might even be the name of the basic node
idr the names specific
check both
first node or last
rigid basin
Gally wep is only really decent ST yeah? Was debating what to rep my mh with once I move my embellish for keys
glass mortar
its not rlly decent anywhere but yea thats the only place its an upgrade really
ST bosses
its never worn in keys
stuck timber
I read it
Lucky coin means 7 same face in a row
Meh who even asked for this ar cd reduction is a waste I think
red zinc
why does everyone think the only thing AR brings to the table is uptime
like
you get full cp, energy, and another edge case proc which'll feed into your next lucky coin and give you more AR CDR
stuck timber
Well it is still early but
What I understand is
You can only proc lucky coin once
red zinc
no
stuck timber
Other coins deal cosmic damage instead if you not leave combat
solid cairn
i read the tier set that once you hit the first lucky coin its a flat reduction on AR and GS cd for the entire time you have the buff?
stuck timber
But I think it is still underwhelming
red zinc
oh ye that is true
stuck timber
I have problem with ar uptime actually with pug raid groups because they keep assigning me to bullshit
red zinc
aight nevermind its mid shouldve worked the other way around
stuck timber
But I don't plan to do raids with outlaw anymore anyway lol
mild vigil
I have problem with ar uptime actually with pug raid groups because they keep as...
trickster will probably help with that
you get a lot of cdr from the 4pc
so I think it's spiky uptime versus smoothe uptime over a fight
fossil lintel
Hopefully they either don't back load the damage or make KS a lot faster, it's not fun sitting through it currently
It flows okay if you just cancel at max cp
mild vigil
I'm sure the rogue community is gonna come up with some tech for it to work even if blizzard doesn't speed it up
stuck timber
trickster will probably help with that
Well idk I have a 636 demolock that deals 900k single target my 678 outlaw was dealing 1,5 m st lol I love outlaw in m+ but my parses are so bad in raid I don't wanna olay it anymore :p
mild vigil
Well idk I have a 636 demolock that deals 900k single target my 678 outlaw was d...
and that's okay, play what you want to play
stuck timber
I'm sure the rogue community is gonna come up with some tech for it to work even...
Why they don't just make it like a dh talent they have something similar as I know that not lock your gcd
I saw some statistic like which dps specs die last in raid wipes or something like that and outlaw was 4th
Behind dh
I am sure if ks was not a thing outlaw would have been the tankiest dps
fossil lintel
Vers stacking and feint does that
stuck timber
Yeah yeah I often was the last one standing in raids
fossil lintel
We were super tanky before KS was played as well
stuck timber
I love how tanky our spec is
hybrid crown
I think even without KS Dh is tankier setting aside niche situations where cloak might let us live through a thing that would kill a dh
stuck timber
But they just heal they can't cheat death or have damage reduction high as us right? Dont know much about havoc
hybrid crown
Honestly I don't know a ton about dh either but they always out heal me lol
stuck timber
Lol, wish restless blades reduce crimson vial cd too
I can tank +5 with that change
random stirrup
I think even without KS Dh is tankier setting aside niche situations where cloak...
no cheat is omega op
and cloak is way better than netherwalk
covert kestrel
bring back no haste needed for ar so i can hit 40k vers
sick monolith
I think even without KS Dh is tankier setting aside niche situations where cloak...
Dh is tankier in any content where you dont have a healer, but all their self healing doesnt really matter in keys or raid. As long as a healer is alive outlaw is significantly tankier
hybrid crown
If low haste vigor builds come back we can get leeching poison back too
rigid basin
I saw some statistic like which dps specs die last in raid wipes or something li...
I'm usually waiting for people to die so I can vanish and keep SC stacks lol
It's funny how this spec is fs
frank finch
nope lol
fossil lintel
Blizz out here dropping new law like it's congress
frank finch
that was the only one
frail veldt
good enough
fossil lintel
We got the new tier sets
fossil lintel
Idk how strong they are but they both smooth out gameplay a lot
frank finch
double coup bug was 5%
and this a stronger version of it
2pc is getting changed tho hundo p
crisp condor
Wonder if it'll still be KiR next season with losing the increased roll chance tier set
random stirrup
HO gained more from the tier than KIR did iirc
probably will just go back to kir dominance
daring oxide
I feel like the fatebound 4p is almost useless? Or generally low impact compared to the 2 set, am I the only one who feels this way?
Compared to the power the assa one gives
keen belfry
i dont want to play retail
i do agree with this I DONT WANT RETAIL ANYMORE
daring oxide
We need something more
red zinc
yeah its cooked
for the longest time I thought it reduced cds every single time you got lucky coin
but its just a permanent cd reduction if you have coin up
red zinc
would be alot more fun the other way around idk
crisp condor
HO gained more from the tier than KIR did iirc
Oh interesting. The tier set reduces the chances of KiR's low lows though which is nice
frank finch
it does give non crackshot build 100 % ar uptime we did find that out
red zinc
i do honestly think that pure st wise the fatebound tier will be a bigger % increase
by a slight margin
random stirrup
It just means more adr for cp
adr gives coins too
keen belfry
adr is becoming a pure builder as fatebound
random stirrup
big coins
daring oxide
Yes that too
Forgot
Yeah
It just makes adr a builder plus little burst via coins
Maybe it’s really pumps in pure ST
stuck sentinel
After pressing KS do I hold vanish to consume disorienting strikes if I'm at like 2 or 3 stacks and I won't drop Ar ?
stuck sentinel
thanks
daring oxide
I started doing it now after finally getting a WA to track escalating blades
Feels so much better
I am idiot
quick quail
Do we use gallywix+knuckle for m+ or still switching the offhand from the nightfall scenarios? Just dropped the gallywix mace
hollow temple
Do we use gallywix+knuckle for m+ or still switching the offhand from the nightf...
the nightfall ye
time to shine ross
uncut ginkgo
wouldnt ks give more hidden blade procs now too?
covert kestrel
Outlaw Ross lfg
vivid vessel
wouldnt ks give more hidden blade procs now too?
why
uneven viper
I started doing it now after finally getting a WA to track escalating blades
what WA
toxic dust
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
proven ocean
wouldnt ks give more hidden blade procs now too?
well no but yes but no
frank finch
cedar kernel
idk whether i am right but i found one thing interesting, when i cast KS even theres no target in 8 yard, it still increase the CPs
dont know whether we can use it
craggy barn
it saves u from having wasted cp right before intermission
like imagine rik and u send a KS right before he goes up
cedar kernel
yea
i would more looking into it to M+
as far as i can see i didnt found any boss we can use this tech
craggy barn
if u use it on a mob that dies mid channel its cp neutral
its just a cp neutral thing so u can safely send it
its a pretty good send for the turn around blind mechanic on last boss priory
if it ever lines up
proven ocean
craggy barn
what
also 2nd boss priory
ur holding ur dick anyways when u run away from hammers in most groups
cedar kernel
idk i have a feeling like we can hold 3 stack of FTH when the coups stack to >=3
craggy barn
its not terrible for 2nd boss dawnbreaker
cedar kernel
but i guess it needs sim to know whether it worth
craggy barn
when tank slam
if tank uses lightpole to take the tank knock back, and doesnt position boss correctly
sending a ks and stepping out
u should still be hitting it
or whatever the aoe thing is that fucks melee
on that fight
fading hatch
my gear sims 0.04% better with a stamina gem over an extra vers gem. so basically identical. does anyone else use one?
very surprised i thought it'd be noticably worse
craggy barn
GL
lime lake
fallen knot
now, i will never get into keys, so i might aswell heal, how hard is it to heal keys?
sudden fulcrum
what makes you think that will be any different?
glass mortar
easy in very low keys, mythic world first raid difficulty level healing pugs in +10s with ur average pug, then very easy towards higher keys again
sudden fulcrum
basically it's like herding cats, but the cats are all brain damaged and only a small number of them have defensives key bound
glass mortar
player skill does not rise in speed as quickly as bad damage u need to heal does as u climb keys
but eventually player skill outscales the damage
and healing wraps around to being easier again
valid kindle
doing weeklies as hpala I just brain afk dps half the time
and not even that geared
glass mortar
also players in the highest keys arent taking avoidable damage (because generally it 1 shots u)
fallen knot
so i dinged today and i'm 655 with all hero tier pieces
fading hatch
now, i will never get into keys, so i might aswell heal, how hard is it to heal ...
i healed keys since legion. i rerolled dps this tier. as healer in keys, you are always either stressed or bored
fallen knot
thats why i levelled an hunter
glass mortar
delves great way to gear up as healer
fallen knot
but i got bored istantly
glass mortar
+11s are piss easy to clear as healer
decent guildeds
without pug players involved
just make sure u pick tank brann
glass mortar
i wouldnt say its as fast but its easy and clean to clear and u dont need to deal with pugs standing in shit
sudden fulcrum
timewalking is def the easiest way to level right now
fallen knot
like i healed all hc raid and i've never healed in my life
glass mortar
i hear overloaded give a ton of crests rn also
carmine verge
healing gets exponentially easier when people actually interrupt, CC and do good damage
high cape
i wouldnt say its as fast but its easy and clean to clear and u dont need to dea...
i can do 50ish gilded an hour in folly soloing 11s on a 640 char
carmine verge
and then you're back into the difficulty curve when shit starts one-shotting in the 16+ zone
glass mortar
i can do 50ish gilded an hour in folly soloing 11s on a 640 char
wait did they uncap it?
high cape
wdym
sudden fulcrum
i didn't get any gilded from the delve i just did so idk what the deal is with that
glass mortar
crests from delves have been capped all season
sudden fulcrum
it was an overcharged bountiful 11
high cape
i didn't get any gilded from the delve i just did so idk what the deal is with t...
u turn runed into gilded
covert kestrel
is the pirate dragon mount still bugged
glass mortar
u could only get 31 then 41 guildeds a week from 11
fallen knot
ye 11s are still 3/3 no?
high cape
crests from delves have been capped all season
ye its uncapped
glass mortar
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
fallen knot
wdym
glass mortar
BLIZZARD U DID IT
sudden fulcrum
u turn runed into gilded
i know that but sometimes they drop gilded
glass mortar
its alto-o-clock
covert kestrel
i thought just the runed was uncapped
frank finch
i think u misunderstood him
fallen knot
farm the 1k crests doing fungal folly?
frank finch
he is turing runed into gilded
rigid basin
LMAO
glass mortar
i mean it gives alot of runed also
rigid basin
Bout to start running delves then
glass mortar
but i heard overcharged give way more gilded directly
fallen knot
so
glass mortar
i havent checked myself
glass mortar
i cant use crests on my rogue so ive literally ignored them
fallen knot
and i gear my priest?
rigid basin
I'm only 676 cuz I can't be bothered pugging 12s to upgrade last few pieces
fallen knot
no need for shit m+?
glass mortar
well the gear u get will be capped at hc track and u cant rlly farm that from delves
but its decent for crests
to upgrade ur m+ gear
high cape
40-50 gilded an hour from the 2 good stories in folly
fallen knot
with special brained people
high cape
bit less on the meh story
and dont even do it on the shit story where the exploding things arent there
high cape
i did it on dps
pallid wraith
What’s that one in the nerubian zone that takes 5 mins
high cape
but 95% of the dmg done in that delve is the explosions
u dont do shit except on the last boss
high cape
nightfall sanctum also has two good ones
glass mortar
wait
gaunt field
you can add a macro line to your abilities so that they don't break channels. re...
U Is good when s3 come ur giving urs
P
craggy kelp
do you do them on 8's
glass mortar
did they fix the exploding plants?
high cape
11
gaunt field
Me urs
glass mortar
for awhile this season if u hit npcs with the exploding plants they would instantly heal for the damage taken
it wasnt like this in s1
gaunt field
Stupid mistyping
high cape
did they fix the exploding plants?
they do dmg to the mobs if u mean that
glass mortar
we r so back
glass mortar
yea i know that but for awhile i was facing elites that would literally instantly heal for the damage plants did to them
hollow temple
U Is good when s3 come ur giving urs
P
im sure we'll have them posted here at that point 
vivid pike
@balmy spade
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix
does the split damage thing
just not work
at all
or what
i played the st proc first few keys
we were breaking everyh cc
so i stopped
and swpapped to the aoe one
and i cant see it
anywehre
gaunt phoenix
Uhhh
vivid vessel
i cant see it in logs either tho
gaunt phoenix
All I know is it breaking on death
craggy barn
that too
craggy barn
what happened
vivid vessel
none of you have any belt damage <:ICANT:1000132132724817990>
welll they play stats
random stirrup
it says your feral and arms are both playing charged bolts
it says you're playing charged bolts too
gaunt phoenix
It's an armory issue
random stirrup
what can wcl do
gaunt phoenix
Raidbots can't tell either if you import from armory instead of /simc
cinder oxide
guys I got stung by a bee walking to the farmers market everyone pray for me I have to be really brave and go to reclear tonight despite my trauma
craggy barn
gl
sudden fulcrum
should have popped evasion newb
gaunt phoenix
Where did it sting
cinder oxide
like right above my sock on my ankle
random stirrup
i have a log where it worked from day 1 as well
ripe ibex
guys I got stung by a bee walking to the farmers market everyone pray for me I h...
final sting gg
ripe ibex
haughty wigeon
gaunt phoenix
I guess it stopped working after you died
zealous plinth
I guess it stopped working after you died
Nope didn’t have a Single death
gaunt phoenix
But only that death and not the ones before
vivid vessel
idk man
that shit is cokoed
nothing works
and its also bad
and it breka cc
and it gives you cancer irl
like bro
blizzard dev
stop
io cant handle
all this shit
zealous plinth
Charged bolts works but…
vivid vessel
Charged bolts works but…
st proc going to random targets
is like
the worse thing
you could ever have
ngl
chilly atlas
we just paid beta testers of the game, once they fix it and the beta test is finished, they drop new expansion and break everything again
gaunt phoenix
Protest