outlaw

[vivid vessel]

To

That is very specific

Except I can't use it

[vivid vessel]

Cause it's dogshit quality

So

[proven ocean]

zac do u use the F keys or no?

do u need them

for wow

[vivid vessel]

I don't have f keys

[proven ocean]

oh

wtf

[vivid vessel]

I have a 60% keyboard

[proven ocean]

this is perfect for you then

new 60 keeyboard, 8k hz

incredibly fast

has hall effect

which means

its way faster

[royal stump]

I’ve personally used wooting for 2 years now it’s insanely good

[pearl trout]

I play Osu already have one, its a good keyboard, never really configured it for WoW specifically

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

u can change when it starts to work from the weight u put on the keycap

and u can also adjust when u release for it to activate

so u can basically blow air on it and i'll press if u want

at 0.1

xdd

very adjustable

but zac remember

there are many types of switches

this one is linear

its abit lighter than other ones

[shut lichen]

bruh i've been humbled

didn't know much about keyboards

besides you use them to type

[fresh acorn]

What’s the reasoning of not playing KiR with less than 18% haste?

[hollow rampart]

Wooting is more of a thing in fps scene of cs and valorant don

Because you can strafe better around tight corners

[fresh acorn]

I love my wooting

[rigid basin]

ADR changed at the start of TWW iirc. Basically you have to hit 25% to get maximum benefit from adr

[glass mortar]

u dont reach gcd reduction cap which is fairly detrimental to outlaws rotation

[rigid basin]

Ho has take em by surprise which gives them an extra 10% so they have a lower req

[fresh acorn]

Gotcha, thanks

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u will buy wooting keyboard btw?

i think its rly good

imo

i recommend

its like

the best keyboard company atm

but i think u should be aware that its rly fast and maybe might take u some time to get used to

[desert tendon]

wooting is so 2022*

you re living in past zero

[vivid vessel]

I don't need a new keyboard

I need a mouse

Which seems to be impossible

[desert tendon]

wait

you still have issues

with your mice?

amazon gotta hate you

[knotty needle]

just get a razer mouse with like 12 buttons

[desert tendon]

no

dont get a razer

that s the first mistake

get a simictar from corsair

[knotty needle]

actually true

[desert tendon]

be happi

[vivid vessel]

The mouse I bought is dogshit

The clicks feel bad

It's the only one I found withy the form factor I needed tho so

[desert tendon]

and if you re a fps playah

[vivid vessel]

Idk

Gg I guess

[desert tendon]

get a zowie no cap on the dank

[knotty needle]

razer mice and keyboard i swear get some type of issue so quickly

[desert tendon]

zac needs solid side buttons

cuz he s using them for rotationnal abilities

[knotty needle]

razer headphones though those are pretty good

[desert tendon]

razer's would survive 10mn

[hollow temple]

You’re crazy

[desert tendon]

they arent bad but too pricey for their quality

but you re paying the brand i guess

[vivid vessel]

More than rotational abilities since it's alt and Ctrl which is half my binds

[wintry solar]

I use my studio headphones for gaming

[hollow temple]

Razer viper v3 or razer naga are both staples

[glass mortar]

every razor i got (4 mice in a row) had its switches die out after ~2 years of using

[wintry solar]

Plugged into my interface

[glass mortar]

maybe just unlucky

[proven ocean]

?

[glass mortar]

they were good mice while they worked tho

[desert tendon]

i m a razer hater i m sorry you cant change my mind

[proven ocean]

they have a new 60 keyboard wdym so 2022

[desert tendon]

shit was good 10 years ago

[long barn]

this is all you need, bro

Logitech G604 LIGHTSPEED Gaming... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QN369XX?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[proven ocean]

theres nothing better atm

[glass mortar]

i fucked hard with the cataclysm naga a decade ago

[desert tendon]

now it s super pricey for the medium quality it brings

[glass mortar]

that thing looks so sick

[vivid vessel]

You about to get disappointed

Because

[hollow temple]

And you recommend Corsair scimitar? You’re nutty

[knotty needle]

yeah razer mice are fine
if you wanna buy one every year

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[vivid vessel]

I have been using the g502 for years

[glass mortar]

ive been using the same corsair scimitar for close to 5 years now

[proven ocean]

this sounds so cursed

ngl

[glass mortar]

the paint has worn off the buttons

[desert tendon]

60€ for a mouse that i m using and is perfectrly fine for 6 years

[vivid vessel]

Except the new light speed doesn't handle the load

[glass mortar]

no switch issues tho

[desert tendon]

yea i m crazy

[proven ocean]

thats what i use too its very good

502 is goated

[vivid vessel]

And it breaks after 2 months of use

Ye but I want the new version

[proven ocean]

idk about that

ive been using it for a while now

[hollow temple]

I’ve had the same razer naga for like 3 years now

[vivid vessel]

You don't use it the same way as I do

[hollow temple]

Corsair stuff is hot dog ass

[vivid vessel]

But my usage is quite special so

[proven ocean]

?

[glass mortar]

only issue with corsair is the software

[proven ocean]

aree u hammering ur mouse or what

[glass mortar]

never had an issue with the hardware

[desert tendon]

notricks the most based green name arround

[long barn]

What’s the problem with the 604?

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

maybe razars improved tho

[knotty needle]

true

[desert tendon]

icue isnt that bad now

[glass mortar]

just too many failed mice in a row from them for me

[desert tendon]

tbh

[glass mortar]

especially at their pricepoint

[desert tendon]

but still average

[proven ocean]

razer good but its for fps not mmo

[vivid vessel]

My sides buttons are alt and Ctrl Ross, which is used for half my binds

[knotty needle]

yeah say it louder for the people in the back

[hollow temple]

Not true

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel been using this for almost a year btw

[desert tendon]

wdym razer good for fps

it s the worst

price to quality

[vivid vessel]

And these mouses are fps mouses so they can't handle it

[glass mortar]

honestly not even failed right, they were sick mice for the 2 years they worked

[desert tendon]

mice

[vivid vessel]

Ye it breaks every 2 months

[glass mortar]

but if ur an mmo mouse and ur mmo buttons r wearing out after 2 years

[proven ocean]

no it doesnt

[desert tendon]

zowie EC2A is the go to

[vivid vessel]

I bought 6 in a row ross

[glass mortar]

80 bucks is too much

[proven ocean]

it didnt break for me at all

6???????????

[vivid vessel]

It does if you use it like I do

Dude

Readd

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

When I type

[proven ocean]

did u use the rgb one

[vivid vessel]

Please

[proven ocean]

or non rgb

?

[vivid vessel]

For the love

[proven ocean]

cuz

[vivid vessel]

Of god

[proven ocean]

the rgb one is new

[desert tendon]

zac plays only using right hand

[vivid vessel]

Read

[long barn]

I have four brand new 502’s I could list on eBay if you wanted to buy one

[knotty needle]

oh yeah i actually used to have a similar mouse but broke after like 2 years i think
cant even make it through dragonflight smh

[vivid vessel]

When I type

[desert tendon]

his left hand is busy

[glass mortar]

anyone else remember the cataclysm wow edition razar naga

[desert tendon]

you know

typing discord

[glass mortar]

that thing was so sick

i wish it didnt die so fast for me

[proven ocean]

brother its restructured idk what ur yapping about

[vivid vessel]

^

These mouses are not made for that usage since they are fps mouses

[desert tendon]

zac

i ve a question

[vivid vessel]

The side buttons break every 2 month

[desert tendon]

what you re using your left pinkie for?

[vivid vessel]

Right on timer

Every time

[proven ocean]

hmm

idk what to tell u zac

but

[sudden fulcrum]

i only bought a razer mouse once and it broke almost immediately. garbage product/brand

[proven ocean]

ur right

[vivid vessel]

My hand is bad at pressing 2 stuffs at a time

That's why I do that

[desert tendon]

i see

one at the time

skill diff

[proven ocean]

cuz zac, these companies use cheaper materials now that break faster for ppl to buy again

[knotty needle]

left pinkie is used for shift ctrl alt caps tab

[vivid vessel]

Ye I know

[proven ocean]

so on avg

[vivid vessel]

The older model ross

[proven ocean]

u buy once every year

[vivid vessel]

Handle my use

Not the newer model

[proven ocean]

ye ik

[desert tendon]

zero

[proven ocean]

i heard about what ur talking about alot

[desert tendon]

did u believe

i got told

[vivid vessel]

Except the older model is dogshit quality for everything else, and it's heavy

[desert tendon]

razer headphones are good

[glass mortar]

look at this bad boy

i miss it man

[proven ocean]

for what exactly

[glass mortar]

good times

[vivid vessel]

Ugly ass

[desert tendon]

weran

[proven ocean]

if u say sound ur absolutely cooked

[desert tendon]

please

[knotty needle]

hey i'll die on that hill

[proven ocean]

because

audiophile headphones

are way better

its not even close

xd

[desert tendon]

i m always talking price to quality

[proven ocean]

well

thats not true

at all

razer is overpriced

[desert tendon]

i prefer a 100€ average headphone than a 150 average filled to the bones with rgb headphone

you know

[vivid vessel]

I don't even care about the price of my mouse I'm ngl, I would buy one for 600e if it actually did what I wanted

[desert tendon]

the main issue of razer is not the quality or whatever

the main issue

[proven ocean]

i use this headphone

[desert tendon]

is the price to quality

[proven ocean]

10/10 audio

[lime lake]

me using the same logitech g600 for a decade

[vivid vessel]

I would buy a g502 light speed for 600 e if it wouldn't break

[glass mortar]

yea i agree censi

[desert tendon]

like

[glass mortar]

anyone saying razer is crap or razer is goated

[desert tendon]

let s talk keyboard

razer blackwidow v2

[glass mortar]

is just falling into the rooting for brands trap

[hollow temple]

I spend more on average but I think the quality is worth it

[desert tendon]

is 200€

[glass mortar]

razer products r fine

i just didnt like the quality for the pricepoint

compared to other stuff ive tried

[desert tendon]

but has the potential of a 120€ kb

[wintry solar]

I beat the shit out of my razer naga. It's kind of a tank ngl

[glass mortar]

but they have a pretty sick aesthetic im sure hits for lots of people so

aesthetic value is something that can be worth money to people

[hollow temple]

The only thing I’ve never done was buy a razer keyboard

Their mice, these days, are built very well

[knotty needle]

never buy a razer keyboard

[proven ocean]

idk i dont want to buy a headphone and spend money on the screen it comes with it, rgb and the mic too, wasted for no reason

[desert tendon]

and if it s working for you that s fine, just not for me i m a hater since they overprice their stuff compared to other competitiv brands

[proven ocean]

i prefer a super good headphone

where i can hear proper sound

good music

[wintry solar]

Fr

[proven ocean]

u enjoy it 10 times more

[desert tendon]

like zero

for gaming

what would u use 120€ for?

[proven ocean]

yes my headphone is rly good for gaming too

[wintry solar]

It's actually night and day

[glass mortar]

yea i always found those super high quality headphones to be a waste of time but i really just dont care about having amazing quality sound

[desert tendon]

razer or sennheiser or beyerdynamic?

[hollow temple]

Ye I just think it’s worth the price when you’re ahead of the competition

[desert tendon]

same price

[glass mortar]

i play my game out of 30 dollar speakers i got off amazon

and occasionaly use my corsair 50 dollar headset

sounds fine

[proven ocean]

idk u dont need something extraordinary for just knowing where someone shoots in an fps game

the 1000$+ headphones are just for music

[desert tendon]

same price

all 3

120€

[proven ocean]

well

[desert tendon]

razer is good at one thing tho

rgb

[proven ocean]

i dont think a beyrodynamic 120$ headphone is gonna be good

[desert tendon]

they have great techno for that

[proven ocean]

120$ price range is rly low

usually quality is mid

[proven ocean]

i hate music from anyhwere else now

my music in my car is so pixelated

[wintry solar]

It's not the same

Yeah

[proven ocean]

it triggers me

cuz

its so bad

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

i guess thats a downside

of having a 100000/10 headphone

u just hear pixels

lmao

[desert tendon]

just buy a new car zero

try them all

until you found one with good bass

[wintry solar]

I actually listen to podcasts and crap instead of music in the car because of it

[proven ocean]

all cars have bad speakers some are alright

[vapid sundial]

There's some good cheap headphones

But yeah

[proven ocean]

there is absolutely no good cheap headphone but around 300$ u can find rly good ones

for music that is

[desert tendon]

tbf the only thing i would consider from razer are mice now i m thinking about it

i tried their mousepad they aint it either

[proven ocean]

this onee i heard very good things about it

[hollow temple]

There’s decent IEMs that are cheap

[proven ocean]

its rly good

[desert tendon]

hifiman

[proven ocean]

alot of ppl lik eit

[vapid sundial]

Pretty much only the audio technics stuff are good for cheap
M50xs for example

[hollow temple]

But overhead you gotta pay a bit more

[proven ocean]

but i use the organic one

[hybrid crown]

I like my Sony MDRs good bang for your buck

[proven ocean]

its quite popular within the audiophile community tho

[desert tendon]

it is

[vapid sundial]

And that's around $150

[desert tendon]

this one cheap as hell

i m suprised

that s why i monkas

[wintry solar]

This is my mouse pad

[proven ocean]

ye its very good btw

for that price its like

[desert tendon]

tell me you re a daddi gamer without telling me you re a daddi gamer

[proven ocean]

the best u can find

[desert tendon]

it sure must be

the hell is that cutoff

[vapid sundial]

Grandpa *

[proven ocean]

but those headphones u need dac/amp and shit

so if ur clueless about that

dont buy it

[desert tendon]

oh yea true we re 2025

thought we were 2015

[vapid sundial]

Fr

[hollow temple]

Yeh I used to be a razer disliker it’s funny

[proven ocean]

censi ur headphones are rly good too

[desert tendon]

are you grandpa popo?

[proven ocean]

i heard good stuff about it

[wintry solar]

I'm 26

So yeah

[proven ocean]

it was the french one that looks like its from space right censi

or did u change it

[hollow temple]

But after the Logitech mmo mouse got discontinued

[vapid sundial]

More like 46

[knotty needle]

yeah i also used to have a Wrath mousepad but then i had to get a way bigger mousepad because my sensitivity in fps games like super low so i had to get one that spans basically my whole desk

[hollow temple]

Razer is the only good option

[vapid sundial]

Perma g502 enjoyer

[desert tendon]

i m mostly using the DT770 from beyerdynamics

[hybrid crown]

Logitech g600 can still be purchased new

[proven ocean]

yee those are rly good

[hybrid crown]

Look up logicool g600 on ebay

[desert tendon]

tbf i m kinda a logitech mice hater also

[proven ocean]

g502 is good

but

toher mouses i understand ur take

[desert tendon]

exept the gpro which is amazing for fps

[proven ocean]

other*

[hollow temple]

Yeah and usually people want 10x the price

[desert tendon]

but zowie sadly exist

[hollow temple]

Fuck that lmfao

[hybrid crown]

I got mine for 80 bucks brand new

That's half the price of a naga trinity

[desert tendon]

let s talk monitor now

what brand

you guys using / like

[hollow temple]

The g600 used to be $30-$60

[vapid sundial]

I mainly just make sure my monitor uses a Samsung panel

[desert tendon]

zero gonna throw the samsung oddyssey oled 4k 580hz

wait for it

[hybrid crown]

Yeah this one costs more because it's only made in japan

It's the Japanese rebranded version of logitech

[vapid sundial]

A friend's friend has that thing xd

[hybrid crown]

Same product

[hollow temple]

At this point I went with a wireless naga and haven’t looked back

[proven ocean]

u know what i hate the most

these 1000 button mouses

like holy shit this thing confuses me

[red zinc]

If I ever get a wireless i have to get the charging mousepad ai think

[wintry solar]

Idk if I'll ever go wireless tbh

[red zinc]

I forget to charge my headset already

[desert tendon]

doesnt exist in 580hz but i think the highest is 280hz and holy shit who s running 4k at 280fps anyway

[red zinc]

add a mouse onto that

[desert tendon]

shit is like 3k

[red zinc]

Im cooked

[quick grove]

I have the Beyerdynamic MMX 300's, rate them quite highly. Was an upgrade to a damaged pair of HyperX Cloud II's.

Not sure I would recommend them just based on the price though. Quite expensive.

[proven ocean]

???????? are u wirefull mouse enjoyer?????????????

[knotty needle]

you mean the PvP mouse

[hollow temple]

Grow big brain

[vapid sundial]

Yeah I Mena the highest version

[red zinc]

wirefull

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[desert tendon]

hello i m wirefull

[proven ocean]

keyboard macro's better

[proven ocean]

thats cooked

[vapid sundial]

Well. Atleast for I only need to charge my g502 once every 2 weeks

[hollow temple]

Nah

[hybrid crown]

The Razer mice are so expensive it's actually ridiculous

180 dollars??

[wintry solar]

My setup would be much cleaner wireless

[proven ocean]

i dont play pvp so idk

i think u guys have sap 1 sap 2 sap 3 target 1 2 3

and shit

so i understand

but for pve

its not needed

[hollow temple]

I’ve never actually spent that on one

Always like $100 they’re on sale so much

[proven ocean]

IDK WHAT ELSE TO SAY IT WAS THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT OK

CHAT I GO TAKE SHOEWER BRB

caplsock

[desert tendon]

WIRED

[wintry solar]

Wired would be a great start

[desert tendon]

JUST

WIRED

[proven ocean]

capscock

[hollow temple]

Yeah I could see that ig tru

[proven ocean]

capslock*

[hollow temple]

I literally just bought another mouse for other games

[desert tendon]

like the opposite of emptiness is not emptifull

[hollow temple]

2 days ago

[desert tendon]

ya know

[knotty needle]

i'm a wired mouse purist

[hollow temple]

And it is sick

[wintry solar]

Same

[vivid vessel]

wired mouse is so cooked

[wintry solar]

Also

[desert tendon]

zac

[vapid sundial]

TBH peripheral arguments are my fav bc its just preference

[proven ocean]

bro

[wintry solar]

Wired MMO mouse for every game

[desert tendon]

you aint got no right to have mice takes

[vivid vessel]

people that use wired mouses are psychopaths

[desert tendon]

sorry

[proven ocean]

wirefull mouses are so bad

ngl

its like

[hollow temple]

Tru

[proven ocean]

eating pizza with knife and a spoon

how cursed is that

[desert tendon]

if you re not using a pink razer headphones with cat ear

[proven ocean]

ur making it

harder for no reason

[vapid sundial]

Wired mice are fine if you have the clamp that makes the wire not aids

[desert tendon]

you re doing it bad

[proven ocean]

lmao

[desert tendon]

just saying

tho

[hollow temple]

Wireless mice have come so far there’s no reason not to use them now

[wintry solar]

And wireless is eating popcorn with a spoon

[proven ocean]

??????????????

wireless is way better

[knotty needle]

nah

[hollow temple]

Tru

[proven ocean]

idk why u want a wire to block ur movement

and hinder ur movement

[vivid vessel]

xd

[proven ocean]

super cooked

lmao

[vivid vessel]

every pro cs player use wireless

[vapid sundial]

bc you lterally just buy one of the desk clamps

[knotty needle]

my wire is a part off who I am

[vivid vessel]

and you are trying to gaslight us

[wintry solar]

I manage my cables

[vivid vessel]

its still too slow ?

dumb af or whta

[vapid sundial]

top 0.0001% player vs a random

that doesnt work

wtf

[knotty needle]

my wires never hinder me

[fresh acorn]

I just nose dive in the popcorn bowl and use my tongue to get some pieces, can’t get the hands greasy

[proven ocean]

literally top 100% even buy the best mouses nowadays

[vivid vessel]

im syaing there is litteralyt 0 downsides to wireless

unless you are dumb af

[proven ocean]

no one buys random ass mouses from walmart unless ur kinda broke thats understandable

but if u have good money ur always gonna buy a wireless viper v3 pro or someshit

[knotty needle]

my wires are all upsides

[proven ocean]

for fps that is

[brave lagoon]

I'll probably switch to wireless next time my mouse breaks but otherwise it doesn't change much to me

[glass mortar]

i tried a wireless mouse

[hybrid crown]

It's meeses

[wintry solar]

Mine have that clothed cabled

[glass mortar]

got annoyed charging it and used it wired charging 90% of the time

realized i was being very stupid

ive stuck to wired mice ever since

[vivid vessel]

?

[glass mortar]

just because i know i wont get anything from wireless

they r fine tho

[vivid vessel]

i charge my mouse

once a month

at night

[proven ocean]

"next time something breaks" sounds cooked to me, my friend has a headphone from 1950s or someshit and his left side of his headphone doesnt even produce sound and hee wont replace it till the right one stops working too

[vivid vessel]

thats the most cap i have ever seen

[glass mortar]

u didnt even get me time to agree with u

[knotty needle]

i charge my mouse never because it's wired

problem solved

[glass mortar]

u just had to charge in

[glass mortar]

.

[wintry solar]

"Hey hop on wow"

"Sorry bro gotta charge my mouse"

[vivid vessel]

wired mouses are for stupid people

that dont understand

[proven ocean]

modern mouses that doesnt happen

[vivid vessel]

we arent in 1980 anymore

[knotty needle]

yeah ok charge boy

[proven ocean]

u just charge it every few days

[vivid vessel]

and you have infinite baterry life

[proven ocean]

and ur fine

[proper veldt]

I mean the zaunkoenig is pretty cool

[glass mortar]

my point is zac that i never have any interest in having to charge my mouse and i got no advantage from it being wireless

[covert kestrel]

imagine wireless mice XD

[vivid vessel]

and no downsides

[hardy wigeon]

39grams of wireless gaming dominance right here

[glass mortar]

once a month

[proven ocean]

brother

[glass mortar]

once a year

once a lifetime

[vivid vessel]

you do

[glass mortar]

nuclear reactor mouse when

[wintry solar]

Dude

[knotty needle]

cyberpunk looking ass

[vivid vessel]

you dont have a wire

xd

[glass mortar]

what advantage do i get

[wintry solar]

Another thing

[covert kestrel]

too smol

[proven ocean]

wirefull mouses are cooked as fuck its like ur eating a burger with fork and knife

[wintry solar]

I like heavier mice

[vivid vessel]

you guys dont realize how heavy a wire is

[glass mortar]

my wire goes straight back under my desk and i never seent it

[chilly atlas]

i feel i would just crush that mouse

[vivid vessel]

you are all so cooked

[proven ocean]

beacuse ur worried ur hands may slip and it may change some factors in eating

[hardy wigeon]

There’s literally no need for wire on mouse in 2025

[proven ocean]

u all are cooked as hell

its 2025

wake up

thats you

if u use wirefull mouse

[knotty needle]

you just dont see the vision

[proven ocean]

look at ur face

wirefull guy

[keen belfry]

do you guys think charged bolts is worse than the other dmg proc belt
on mug specifically
just cause it snipes mines and immune shockers

[vapid sundial]

Im not sying theres a downside, but if youy have the thing for it wired is fine, and cheaper

by like $40 on avg

[wintry solar]

You know how some mice come with weights? Well I keep all of them in the mouse

[brave lagoon]

I ain't spending shit on that until I have a valid reason to tho

[vivid vessel]

stupid dumb take i cant read stupid sorry

[vale warren]

Burgers are annoying as shit to eat so I guess wireless mice are annoying as shit to use 🤷

[vivid vessel]

L take noob

[knotty needle]

they'll understand, when they see they'll understand

[proven ocean]

first based zac msg in 10 years

no cap

[chilly atlas]

how are burgers annoying?

[proven ocean]

WHO SAID BURGERS ARE ANNOYING

[hybrid crown]

We should make a pin requiring rogues to send pictures of their mouse before they can get outlaw advice

[glass mortar]

idk it just does so much more damage then the other one anyway

[proven ocean]

U SOUND LIKE A WIREFUL MOUSE GUY

[glass mortar]

ud need like 50% of ur procs to hit mines to lose

[hardy wigeon]

Cost should not be an excuse when you play wow

[knotty needle]

actually true

[wintry solar]

People who say we need wider burgers have never had a wide burger where all the insides slip out

[vivid vessel]

anytime some guy ask me why they do less damage than me on outlaw, I ask them if they use a wireless mouse or not

[knotty needle]

but i use wired for the love of the game not price

[vivid vessel]

9 times out of 10 they are wired in

[hybrid crown]

I have bought every store mount but will not spend 180 dollars on a shitty Razer

[chilly atlas]

priorities

[knotty needle]

wired in but not dialed in clearly

[hardy wigeon]

Razer is not the only company that exists

hope that helps

[hybrid crown]

They don't last as long as a mouse that costs a fraction of the price

[vale warren]

Doesn't everyone do less dam than you

[chilly atlas]

im pretty sure my razer costed like 70 something

[wintry solar]

It's the only one that matters

[chilly atlas]

but it's wired, lol

[wintry solar]

I use a $30 keyboard off Amazon

[vapid sundial]

yeh but then you get a buncha wow virgins screaming how razer is the best and better than everything else at you nonstop

[wintry solar]

Would rather use that than razer keyboard

[hollow temple]

That just isn’t true these days btw

[covert kestrel]

i use a $750 keyboard i built myself

[vale warren]

I use a £9 Chinese keyboard off amazon

[covert kestrel]

one of 8 different keebs

[knotty needle]

would rather click windows keyboard on screen than use razer keyboard

[hybrid crown]

There aren't many options for 12 button mmo mice

[wintry solar]

Jeez

[proven ocean]

same and im getting a new one soon too

my keyboard is above 1000$ atm

[covert kestrel]

what switches

[proven ocean]

gonna get gateron jade pro's

[covert kestrel]

noice

[proven ocean]

i have to gotake shower tho brb

[covert kestrel]

im getting a haircut

[vapid sundial]

liar

rogues dont shower

hes gonna go goon

[knotty needle]

12 button mice are pvp honestly if you're just playing raids you dont need 12 button mice

[covert kestrel]

need to look nice now that ks is fixed

[fading hatch]

@hardy wigeon based as usual king let em know

[covert kestrel]

i want a 6 button mmo mouse, like i barely use all 12 but i need more than 2 on the side

[wintry solar]

I used to think I needed 6 but then.....

It happened....

[hybrid crown]

I could come up with fucky keyboard binds but why would i

[craggy kelp]

gonna be honest idk how people use nagas and shit with 12 buttons on mouse

that shit crazy

[wintry solar]

Everything is right there

[knotty needle]

ambidextrous mouse where both sides have 2 or 3 buttons

[vapid sundial]

do u have skeleton fingers

[knotty needle]

yeah

[vale warren]

I think most people do

Some people just have skin on them too

[covert kestrel]

and what use my pinky on the other side???

[wintry solar]

There's a skeleton in your body trying to escape

[covert kestrel]

disgusting

[knotty needle]

yes

[fossil lintel]

Naga style mouse is amazing for wow

[vapid sundial]

that is just not true, skeleton fingers i mean like

slender man hands

super long fingers

like guy has

[covert kestrel]

no shot thats comfortable

[knotty needle]

i bet your pinky just touches and drags on your mousepad when you use it but you dont ever notice it

but i notice it

[wintry solar]

Ctrl+shift with my pinky took work but it's comfy now

[knotty needle]

so i position my pinky to instead hit mouse buttons

doesnt touch my mousepad
and i get to hit more buttons

[vapid sundial]

doesnt bother me

[knotty needle]

im bothered

[vapid sundial]

skill issue

to be frank

[wintry solar]

My pinkies are shaped weird and if I play too long, it gets rubbed raw

[vapid sundial]

I want u to rub me raw

[wintry solar]

My right pinky

Okie dokie

[knotty needle]

my thumb touches the left mouse buttons
my index finger touches my left click
my middle finger touches my scroll wheel
my ring finger touches my right click
my pinky touches the right mouse buttons

this is the way

haters wont understand

[vapid sundial]

freak

[knotty needle]

they hate me cuz they aint me

[hybrid crown]

My pinky touches my desk on both my work and gaming PC, sometimes 16 hours of hand on mouse

This has never been an issue for me

[knotty needle]

you probably have to move one of your fingers to touch your scroll wheel i have no such weaknesses

[vapid sundial]

me when i let a tiny bit of fabric inconvenience me

[wintry solar]

Because your pinky isn't weird

[hybrid crown]

Fair enough

[knotty needle]

it bothers me alright

[hybrid crown]

👀

[wintry solar]

A part of my pinky sticks out the side of my hand more than the rest of my hand

[keen belfry]

this is pretty bad @glass mortar

[hollow temple]

ngl this is CURSED AF

[knotty needle]

and it's not even that different you could try it all you have to do is learn to not right click with your middle finger

[vapid sundial]

middle finger on right click supremacy

[wintry solar]

When I read it, it almost sounds like he holds the mouse like a controller

[glass mortar]

i mean is it 50% of ur procs brother?

[knotty needle]

you could even bind your right click things to pressing your scroll wheel if you want then it would basically be the same thing

[glass mortar]

look at how much higher this thing sims then the next best option on st

yea it sucks

[wintry solar]

Aw man, convo is changing

[glass mortar]

the other damage proc would split damage onto nearby mines anyway

[wintry solar]

Bed time

[keen belfry]

its probably more

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YmaR96nyM4kQGKDw?fight=24&type=damage-done&view=events&ability=-1233262&source=15 random log

[glass mortar]

well u should be able to tell how much of ur dps is the proc doing on average a pull

[hybrid crown]

If it does what like 1.5% of your damage it at least breaks even vs a belt with stats

I think the lowest I saw was 2.5 on mugzee but we were not in p2 where mines are up longer

Hopefully will start seeing that this week

[glass mortar]

its doing 2.45% for u overall on these pulls

thats a little over half what it should be

so probably not quite 50% of ur procs

but also its got high variance and the other thing would be doing basically the same damage or less

idk theres no good options

suffer well for bomb design

just be thankful kspree isnt also doing this (yet)

🫡

[wintry solar]

Yknow

[vivid vessel]

brother

have of his procs

are going onto mines

are imune electro chockers

thats crazy

[glass mortar]

ya

[vivid vessel]

what a dogshit

thnig

[glass mortar]

its bad what do u want me to say

[vivid vessel]

blizzard is so stupid

[glass mortar]

probably still stronger then the other thing tho

cause the other thing is so weak

xd

[keen belfry]

grr

[glass mortar]

it also just procs on anything in combat regardless of ur combat status if u have it procced

its good fun when just running around the world doing world quests

why theyd design a proc this way

[vivid vessel]

clueless intern man

[glass mortar]

does anyone ever want a proc that hits random targets within 40 yards while ur in stealth and out of combat with them just because its active?

is this benifiting someone?

does anyone ever like a proc like this

[wintry solar]

Had to have been a make-a-wish proc

[keen belfry]

i pulled a patron out of combat yesterday

[hybrid crown]

Has anyone tried the healing proc in raid

[covert kestrel]

But healing isn't damage

[hybrid crown]

Full raid of healing proc belt no healers >:)

[bright crane]

and crystal is still bugged to shit right?

[glass mortar]

no clue if its bugged because not enough people testing it

the few that did it did literal piss damage over a key

[knotty needle]

idk i'd be surprised they made the Cyrce ring healing not good to prevent this same thing

[hybrid crown]

Yeahhh

I tried it in a key too it was kinda bad

[bright crane]

Rip

But were the bozos

[vivid vessel]

wait

how do i get the others

[glass mortar]

doin delves

[vivid vessel]

what

[fading hatch]

Delve it up

[glass mortar]

different delves give different powers

[vivid vessel]

nah

[fading hatch]

They drop from specific ones

[vivid vessel]

im not doing delves

[sudden fulcrum]

mouse over them

[vivid vessel]

gonna play bolt only

whtaever

[modest verge]

Delve lvl 1 without charge give the passif

[random stirrup]

Those unlocks are warbound fwiw

[hybrid crown]

Can you just do them at tier 1

[fading hatch]

Does it have to be overcharged to get them?

[modest verge]

Nah

[glass mortar]

doesnt need to be anything

[fading hatch]

Ok can do a lvl 1 delve in like 5 mins then super easy

[glass mortar]

literal participation trophies

smh

but at least its getting people into delves

if we had ryu in here every single day we'd be hearing about a new build using a different power because maybe its giga and we just dont know it

then he'd post an overall thats basically identical to all his other overalls cause this whole thing is worth 4% or less dps on average anyway

[vivid vessel]

@red zinc did you find out

if i can swap during keys

[sudden fulcrum]

there is no trophy though they are just modules for the belt

[vivid vessel]

or what

[wintry solar]

We need a new ryu

[keen belfry]

well with losing half the procs of the ST proc wouldnt he aoe just be better?

[red zinc]

idk

[vivid vessel]

its split damage so idk

[glass mortar]

its 2.5% of ur dps tho awang

how much is charged crystal

in that sim

not 2.5 is it 🤔

[red zinc]

He hasnt had time to look at it yet

[vivid vessel]

2.3

[hybrid crown]

Do you lose way more of that 4% when it's most important

[red zinc]

But feel like someone else wouldve figured it out by now

If it was possible

[glass mortar]

yea u lose alot in the end burn probably

[hybrid crown]

Like maybe filter the damage during p2

[glass mortar]

cause u just have mines up u ignore forever

[hybrid crown]

I bet it's way lower in p2 I think I'll go get #2 just in case

[fossil pagoda]

reroll in vanish windows ?

[keen belfry]

ty

[vale warren]

I did some napkin maths yesterday and concluded as long as 26% of the bolts hit mugzee it's worth over the 684 belt I had

[glass mortar]

ye

[vale warren]

I didn't consider other powers cause I only had the default ones

[limpid hound]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

guys

whats this for

[sudden fulcrum]

empowers new cloak

[craggy barn]

u should look up reshio wraps on wowhead zeross

[proven ocean]

will check

[glass mortar]

theres ring and boot cantrips allegedly next season

[proven ocean]

holy shit

cloak+boots+ring

sounds like

a crazy ass combo

[glass mortar]

yea but where r we gunna craft stuff

my versa lining

🥹

[burnt yew]

723 ilvl ? How is it possible ?

[glass mortar]

my 0.1% embell

thats next season gear

this is ptr

[proven ocean]

can we get the cloak now btw

or no

on ptr

[craggy barn]

i didnt see it on ptr idk

[red zinc]

Gotta do whole questline

Like 1 hour plus

all the cloak does for dps is literally the same effect as that contract trinket from s1

Void reaper contract

[glass mortar]

theyll probably offer a skip at some point

for ptr playtesting anyway

[red zinc]

not much to test about the cloak anyway

[glass mortar]

isnt it required for the system they are adding in?

like its what activates it

[craggy barn]

yes

[red zinc]

Oh ye

[craggy barn]

its attunement

[red zinc]

You need to phase dimensions for a few bosses

[glass mortar]

its effects itself seem pretty meh rn

[craggy barn]

like lego cloak in bfa

[red zinc]

Heard someone say the damage effect was turbo

Even though it sounds weak

[glass mortar]

ye could just tune it high

[craggy barn]

the dmg effect is more execute isnt it

[glass mortar]

and cantrips increasing its activation by 50% is a very large number

[random stirrup]

The ring effect seems not necessary

[red zinc]

Like 4% deeps without the upgrades (higher ilvl and the boots)

[random stirrup]

It’s just survivability

Unclear how much

[red zinc]

Goes from 2rppm to 3rppm

probably will sit around 5-6% when fully geared

[proven ocean]

ngl

this cloak

sounds crazy op

for m+

like

[random stirrup]

But ya u have artifact cloak and delve belt and cantrip boots

[proven ocean]

makes squishy classes finally viable

like sin rogue

[red zinc]

what

[random stirrup]

Gl crafting embellishments

[glass mortar]

huh

[red zinc]

you dont have that effect buddy

[proven ocean]

its an absorb cloak no

[crimson niche]

huh

[red zinc]

Thats a healer/tank effect

Dps specs get a dps proc

[proven ocean]

no man

fuck

why

thats lame

ngl

[glass mortar]

because when dps players get items for dps that give them more tankiness they complain that it should be giving them more dps

even if it doesnt rlly matter since ur just tuned around that proc anyway

been that way 4ever

[red zinc]

Delve belt will be obsolete with mythic gear at least

The thing we simmed it at was too low

[glass mortar]

id be surprised if it even lasts into mythic gear tbh it seems pretty fuckin weak for most specs

it caps at 701 ilvl right?

[red zinc]

727 probably equals it on ST for us

[glass mortar]

or does it go higher

[red zinc]

And hard beats aoe

[red zinc]

701

ye

[random stirrup]

Sure but for prog purposes

[red zinc]

idk id just replace it with a heroic belt already

so many add fights

Its kinda buh

[random stirrup]

Remains to be seen I suppose

[red zinc]

Boss 7 journal had like

7 different add models

Gonna be an onslaught

[thorn river]

what was the ambush and sinister strike macro again ?

[glass mortar]

!ambus

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[glass mortar]

even

[red zinc]

ambussy

[thorn river]

thanx man ❤️

[proven ocean]

WTFFFFFFF

THE NEW SHADOWSTEP ANIMATION

IS SO NICE

HOLY SHIT

[obsidian walrus]

clip or its not true

[proven ocean]

hard to clip it

i will try to screenshot

[sudden fulcrum]

skill issue

[proven ocean]

why is envenom black wtf is going on

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cid-eminence-in-the-shadow-shadow-flash-step-teleport-gif-10696716006926093327

[proven ocean]

ptr is bugged maybe

[glass mortar]

theres lots of cool sounding spells on ptr i cant wait for animation posts on wowhead

the new shadowpriest void volley sounds cina

[proven ocean]

new shadowstep animation

[hollow temple]

ooo

[glass mortar]

ooo

thats cute

[violet ferry]

owo

[proven ocean]

looks nice

ngl

stealth looks weird too

idk if any of this is intended

i like it tho

[glass mortar]

if u have black envenoms r u sure there isnt just some animation bug rn giving u black particle effects on all ur spells

[vivid vessel]

you hqave the cloak?

[violet ferry]

that's actually pertty

[glass mortar]

i think shadowstep currently has some kinda puff animation doesnt it?

[proven ocean]

no

[pearl trout]

fighting game locked character looking ass

[proven ocean]

trying to get the cloak now

[proven ocean]

ye maybe

[glass mortar]

still looks sick tho

we need more glyphs cuh

👏

void effect glyphs for rogue

[vivid vessel]

i dont have this

my step is normal

what did you do

[craggy barn]

theyre putting all their void efforts into dh spec

[vivid vessel]

hacker

[proven ocean]

i think its bugged idk

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

i think

we are going to have

[fossil pagoda]

zac can i have your wa for KS the red circle ?

[vivid vessel]

the ww bug

xd

[glass mortar]

which 1

[vivid vessel]

where they cancel their channels

for no reason

[glass mortar]

o

[vivid vessel]

ks is doing the same

[glass mortar]

hmm

well report it on the thread!!!

if new kspree is bugged surely since its a new fancy spell its impossible it would remain bugged for the rest of wow lifespan

or 2 years at least

[vivid vessel]

ye right

weran

the animation

its plunderstorm guns right

bro

it keeps

auto cancelling

[glass mortar]

idk i was trying to get better look at it last night but everyone and their mom was spamming particles on the dummies and my game performance was trash

so i gave upo

might be tho

[rigid basin]

It's empowered now gotta hold is /jk

[vivid vessel]

how do i make an na account

[keen belfry]

you arent welcome

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound tails will cancel ks

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

i forgot i was fb

mb

what else was it canceling

cause i rmeember something else like that

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

where it was doing weird shit

because its a real cast

that cancel stuffs

[mighty pivot]

go to your battle net and then games & subscriptions and select create starter account

[vivid vessel]

ye i just found it

[hollow temple]

kk

[red zinc]

i have a take

[vivid vessel]

bad take

[red zinc]

if they are making potions that emulate night elf because its an "unfair requirement" for keys

when are we getting potions that transmog my class as boomie so i get invited for keys

thats also an "unfair requirement"

[mighty pivot]

roll kul tiran and they won't be able to tell the difference

[jolly geyser]

When are we getting just cosmetic racials

[red zinc]

never

[quaint wharf]

is new dh spec real? or just speculation

[glass mortar]

the picture is almost 100% surely fabricated

[thorn river]

@vivid vessel what was the link to ur WA's on wago ?

[glass mortar]

the chance of a new spec tho? pretty decent

[red zinc]

the picture is fake but

new spec in 11.2.5 for sure

on zeross

[quaint wharf]

on zeross

[vivid vessel]

guys

[hollow temple]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

which na server

should I be in

i dont wanna be in a cringe na server

[hollow temple]

doesn't matter

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix whats your serever

[glass mortar]

only 2 spec andy left in the game and the new patch has literal void demon hunters with new abilities as npcs

[vivid vessel]

it does matter trickz stop it