but i think there is number issue with the health
#outlaw
bright crane
They’ve shown a willingness to adjust mob health so not too worried about that
cedar kernel
theres are mechanic looks like the palace
picking shadows and make the strike to boss to break the shield
this trinket is nut
keen belfry
man pressing KS then into finisher into 2x SS into double coup at max CPs my KS is basically off CD again
holy cdr
sudden fulcrum
CDR is a great mechanic. i really like it
keen belfry
it does feel like too much as mentioned in pins
KS legit had 10 seconds of cd left after my double coup
KS > finsiher > build to coup > coup > ps/adr/bf > coup > consume UBs/build > KS finsiher > build to coup > coup > ps/adr/bf > coup
vivid vessel
ye thats only every 2 ks that is that way tho which is weird
i think it giving cps kinda brick the flow of trickster
haughty moat
so no more bte ? 
fossil lintel
It flows nicely if you KS with a coup ready
tired rune
thank the heavens
fossil lintel
Then you KS into coup twice
glass mortar
because ur trying to get a 5 buff
keen belfry
i really like double coup being back
feels so nice to coup > builder that isnt ss > into coup
vivid vessel
It flows nicely if you KS with a coup ready
yee but that wont happen much
sullen walrus
because ur trying to get a 5 buff
and? what i need to do?
keen belfry
press rtb
keen belfry
with current tier odds are you wont loss a buff if you roll at 1/2, and youll gain combo points
glass mortar
the reason u spam reroll at 1/2 buffs is to try to get a 5 buff
keen belfry
also fatebound tier is funny
leaning into coin, but atleast giving us a a better way to proc it
late swallow
FB tier is based
sullen walrus
buti dont understand how our unseen and flawless form working
when i need to use my finishers
when i need to use ss
keen belfry
adr cdr tho?
late swallow
We’ll have 200% AR uptime
red zinc
fb just needs an aoe node
keen belfry
i like 100% uptime on GS
red zinc
adr cdr tho?
feeds into itself
keen belfry
fb just needs an aoe node
yes
sullen walrus
i really can send 100k gold if someone can help me
fossil lintel
And then send the gold to solo for maintaining it
sullen walrus
my english is not perfect and it's hard for me to understand all information 
@gaunt phoenix to him?
glass mortar
there isnt that much to understand about unseen blade
it only effects one rule really
sullen walrus
i need one person who can check my log from dungeon
because my simulation craft, tell me i can do 4.9 mln overall
glass mortar
if you have coup prepared and your next button press would normally be sinister strike, you can send coup regardless of your CP
sullen walrus
but in the reality it's 3
glass mortar
dslice doesnt tell u what ur end of dungeon dps should be
its just a calculator for comparing gear
red zinc
just send another log
glass mortar
but u can definitly do more then 3m overall if ur gear sims that high
sullen walrus
i dont need to use btw when i in no stelath window right?
it's only ss and dispatch?
because when i have all my spells in cd i spaming ss to max cp and cast dispatch all the tim,e
sullen walrus
just send another log
to u?
sullen walrus
but u can definitly do more then 3m overall if ur gear sims that high
681
cedar kernel
prism is 1st Prio List Bis if they dont nerf
sullen walrus
30 vers, 20 crit , 19.5 haste
glass mortar
id be surprised if its bis for us
copper radish
prism is 1st Prio List Bis if they dont nerf
20 second cooldown am I reading that right
glass mortar
good for others probably tho
sure it gains 1 stack every 10s tho
so 150s to build to max stacks
cedar kernel
idk its passive effect is
glass mortar
its like magnet, the usage is flexible
cedar kernel
nut
glass mortar
if u use it on cd at no stacks it aint gunna do much
copper radish
6% from a trinket is ridiculous
pearl trout
prism is 1st Prio List Bis if they dont nerf
is that a Raid or M+ trinket?
fossil lintel
20 second cooldown am I reading that right
You need to wait for the stacks to accumulate
cedar kernel
Raid in the 6th boss
glass mortar
it depends how much average agi its worth
it has literally zero stats
until u activate it
sullen walrus
how to send log here?
glass mortar
it probably needs to do 5% overall
maybe even higher
it doesnt even have secondaries
it has zero stats
sullen walrus
+15 darkflame 2.3 overall wtf xD
copper radish
it probably needs to do 5% overall
6% in that overall lol
keen belfry
whats the point of GS CDR? dont you already hit 100% uptime with 2pc?
red zinc
it probably needs to do 5% overall
naw
glass mortar
pressing GS flips more coins with the set bonus
red zinc
the on use gives like
glass mortar
im just pointing out u cant automatically know its broken based on the damage proc
glass mortar
ur gunna make me do math
copper radish
I like how we get an artifact cloak. What happened to no borrowed power lol
glass mortar
i havent even had my coffee yet
red zinc
about 7k main stat average value
glass mortar
copper radish
Sounds like outlaw got an execute with this new cloak
red zinc
but the value is way higher on other classes
if the base damage is also that high
its turbo busted
copper radish
20% inc below 35% is one of the new cloaks buffs
glass mortar
its not gunna do 6% for anyone else
glass mortar
ye
red zinc
nobody is playing well
daring oxide
sullen walrus
tell me, and i'll send you 100k ;0
glass mortar
7k main stat average sounds about... correct for s3 trinkets tho?
daring oxide
Lightning strike kinda doing huge damage wtf
glass mortar
what are the values on current trinkets
~5.5k agi is the budget on current max ilvl agi trinkets
sullen walrus
tell me, and i'll send you 100k ;0
and send me your battle tag.
can send 150k if u tell me about what i doing wrong, thanks ❤️
red zinc
i mean a trinket that did even 3-4% damage with a normal stat budget would be busted
red zinc
that was ad ungeon overall
glass mortar
it would be stronger then this seasons yea
red zinc
afaik
glass mortar
busted is a strong word since this seasons trinkets suck
but it would def be stronger
which would be nice
current season trinkets r like 3-4% on st right
red zinc
unironically
we probably play mastery trinket in dungeons with how high that thing is budgeted
(day 1 let me meme)
glass mortar
that thing looks like itd be a meme if ur not chain pulling well tho
think about how often u have 5-6 mobs dying at the same time right at the end of a pack
probably proc that thing at the end of almost every pull
and have the buff falling off as u pull again
red zinc
rppm is good enough to make up for it on high keys i think
glass mortar
i mean u can avoid the issue by properly chain pulling also
thing would go insane with chaining whole areas
red zinc
someone will find a way to exploit for sure
shit proccing on demo imps dying or something
glass mortar
pulling a bunch of mobs onto bosses to let u chain proc the trinket to funnel the boss
🤔
finding piss mobs to pull in
xd
keen belfry
im so happy KS is no longer scary button to press man
im curious how wthey will change our new tier tho
normal forge
is that real life?
keen belfry
didnt realz say our trickster tier is something they are for sure looking at right away
rigid basin
Now let's see if they mess with target caps
keen belfry
oh realz said specifically that the current CD of KS on ptr is too short
makes sense, as you have to pick between vanish and KS CDR basically everytime right now
vivid vessel
pulling a bunch of mobs onto bosses to let u chain proc the trinket to funnel th...
and then ks does 0 boss damage cause it all goes into shitters mobs
cedar kernel
is that real life?
yes it is
keen belfry
did KS damage profile change?
vivid vessel
yes
cedar kernel
yea
vivid vessel
it goes to random tagets
fossil lintel
Yes it hits random targets
vivid vessel
which is the worse case scenario basically
keen belfry
i thought it did that already in aoe
vivid vessel
no
red zinc
didnt realz say our trickster tier is something they are for sure looking at rig...
2p ye
vivid vessel
its your target and it cleaves
keen belfry
its your target and it cleaves
ohhh i see, i thought it tp'd around hitting everythin in aoe lmao
hybrid crown
Idk that doesn't seem like a huge deal. We get better control of it BFing onto stuff at least
glass mortar
and then ks does 0 boss damage cause it all goes into shitters mobs
well we wont benifit from this
its a high stated mastery trinket bozo
brisk meadow
do we have a clip of the new ks?
gray sparrow
is it even worth using dinar on heroic pieces if you have crafted weps ? if im in wrong channel let me know lol
glass mortar
like kir can maybe get some mileage out of it but itll be better for 99% of other specs
xd
keen belfry
do we have a clip of the new ks?
in da pin
stiff hawk
do we have a clip of the new ks?
brisk meadow
red zinc
yeah i mean
vivid vessel
Idk that doesn't seem like a huge deal. We get better control of it BFing onto s...
what
keen belfry
idc that ks is now "less prio" tbh
vivid vessel
how so
red zinc
if ks was the old whatever damage it'd be less annoying that it hit random
but they're increasing cd and damage to make it a "CD worthy moment"
aka shifting a shitton of damage into ks usage
vivid vessel
I mean it's not less prio
red zinc
if thats random it sucks
fossil lintel
It's potentially 0 damage if there's a mugzee bomb near you
shut lichen
well it's week 1 of cycle so i'm not doomage that it won't be changed somewhat
red zinc
ok
vivid vessel
also this ye
red zinc
we gotta calm down on this mugzee thing though
fair sparrow
Not sure why they changed anything other than it causing deaths
keen belfry
yes 11.2 mugzee doesnte xist
vivid vessel
we gotta calm down on this mugzee thing though
No?
red zinc
its a 9yd range and that mechanic isnt likely to come back again
fair sparrow
Should’ve just changed the animation and kept everything else the same
vivid vessel
In m+ these type of scenario
Is like
Perma
You pull mobs into bosses all the time
red zinc
theres permanently immune mobs inside of the pack?
fossil lintel
I mean immune targets are a thing that are used every now and then on mechanics
vivid vessel
It's bad
red zinc
im not talking about the random thing
just people using mugzee mines as an example for everything
gaunt phoenix
Wait zac
red zinc
that isnt a realistic comparison
vivid vessel
What is the difference with an imune add
glass mortar
It has zero benefits and there exist a style of fight design where it just punishes u
red zinc
wouldnt cleave off immune adds
gaunt phoenix
nvm
glass mortar
Nobody is acting like it's the end of the world
vivid vessel
And damage going random to mobs that don't matter
glass mortar
It's just silly
fossil lintel
Doesn't HOA have a boss that summons a ghost that is immune?
glass mortar
That's like saying calm down on the sprocket kspree thing they don't do this that often
keen belfry
It has zero benefits and there exist a style of fight design where it just punis...
this is good description, didnt think of it this way
glass mortar
Then we get two seasons in a row with a boss like this
cinder relic
That's like saying calm down on the sprocket kspree thing they don't do this tha...
It's not lmfao
gaunt phoenix
ill add random targeting to pin
vivid vessel
bro idc about imune mobs
imune or useless mobs is the same
you pull mobs into bosses all the time
and that daamge is wasted
red zinc
its factually not the same
keen belfry
random targetting is a valid complaint IMO, its not dooming or being baby as guy will soon tell us dw guys
shut lichen
mug'zee adds aren't immune though? they still take very reduced dmg
red zinc
would rather get some bf damage than none
glass mortar
Well wdym they don't often do bosses that kspree wouldn't be pressable on? I just think it's a problem a fight style exists that turbo fucks the ability at all
red zinc
but thats just me
shut lichen
its the same as if you sent it into a imune add dude
u can't proc anything with immune adds
glass mortar
It adds nothing to the spell
cinder relic
Killing Spree on sprocket before: literally unusable
Killing Spree hitting random targets: worse on giant pulls where u want damage on more specific targets
fair sparrow
I just don’t understand why they changed anything other than what was killing people 
gaunt phoenix
not sure i really get it when we blade flurry for so much dmg
glass mortar
Not that they are equal magnitudes of bad
vivid vessel
would rather get some bf damage than none
pretty sure thats irrelevant actually, you bf the same damage even on imune adds
glass mortar
Ur bf off bombs should still do base ability damaged cleave yea
red zinc
this information was not fact checked by american patriots
glass mortar
If they only have dr and not true immunity
vivid vessel
yep
glass mortar
It's just reducing the effective damage
Since bf does less then the shots
Idk it's silly. Its pure flavor and only punishes the spell sometimes with zero upside
red zinc
only 15 tiers of raid renown instead of 20 next season
shut lichen
i prefer reduced dmg adds
glass mortar
If the flavor was super sick that can be acceptable
shut lichen
cause u can still gen resources or procs on them
fossil lintel
The uptime on new KS is huge
vivid vessel
not sure i really get it when we blade flurry for so much dmg
"guys lets pull these 5 mobs into boss for funnnel" (thats every m+ boss btw), ok now you have your "main" finisher, that deals 1/6 of its damage
glass mortar
I dont think blasting away at one guy would be less sick tho
fossil lintel
Oh you meant upside
keen belfry
how is guy arguing with this, i was of his stance prior and it took reading like 2 valid complaints to understand that the random targetting has 0 benefits
foreverguy will forever be guy
glass mortar
Especially in a world where plenty of specs exist where u want to pull shit onto bosses to give them more damage
vivid vessel
how is guy arguing with this, i was of his stance prior and it took reading like...
You still read what guy types when he does that shit ?
I don't even bother anymore
shut lichen
how is guy arguing with this, i was of his stance prior and it took reading like...
is he?
red zinc
the concern trolling is crazy
keen belfry
im concerend we are trolling too much chat
fossil lintel
It's the outlaw discord ritual, we doom and guy complains about dooming
keen belfry
bro needs to go back to paladin with how righteous he wants to be seen as
glass mortar
So if I need prio I can cancel bf or something
proven ocean
@vivid vessel mouseover actionbar settings enables my bars in combat how do i make it not show in combat
red zinc
nephews are not ready for the 200% ks damage buff with 3min cd
vivid vessel
Guy be like "ok but guys ks can't kill you anymore, wdym it'd a 20 sec channel that slows you down for 99% and don't let you press any spell and also eats your health and also you explode at the end and "
proven ocean
@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel
shut lichen
bro needs to go back to paladin with how righteous he wants to be seen as
pretty sure all he was saying was it's not as detrimental as the previous version
not that this one doesn't have issues in of itself
vivid vessel
ye and again
glass mortar
Everyone agrees with that
cinder relic
That's clearly what I'm saying lol
vivid vessel
coming from the worse spells in history of spells
glass mortar
Doesn't make it immune to critique
vivid vessel
its not hard to be better
cinder relic
Where did I say it was
glass mortar
Nobody is arguing to keep kspre
keen belfry
pretty sure all he was saying was it's not as detrimental as the previous versio...
you see what u want to see king, proud of you
shut lichen
idk bro i just read
glass mortar
U didn't say it was u just have come down on anyone critiquing it with every chat in here since patch basically so it comes off that way
vivid vessel
noah fence is crazy ngl
shut lichen
U didn't say it was u just have come down on anyone critiquing it with every cha...
see that critique is more fair
keen belfry
its my fav saying
red zinc
man we're all just massive fuckin nerds end of the day
keen belfry
its fun being a nerd
i was tlaking to my friends about how dumb it is that wow is our main hobby
fuckin losers
fossil lintel
man we're all just massive fuckin nerds end of the day
We hang around in a wow discord, that's an understatement
shut lichen
oh damn the raid buff only goes up to 15%
fossil lintel
im in an all hands employee town hall typing in a video game discord
Actually that's pretty justified
barren stream
Is KS new animation the same for all races?
fossil lintel
Fuck all hands
keen belfry
huge company jerk off fests are funny meetings to sit in
vivid vessel
degenmaxxing
goonmaxing
unique dagger
Twilight dev over gushing wounds for m+?
shut lichen
huge company jerk off fests are funny meetings to sit in
corporate circle jerking goes hard
obsidian walrus
i mean we can give feedback on KS that it should be doing dmg to your main target and splash dmg to targets around the main target its still early in PTR
glass mortar
well
shut lichen
well outlaw feedback is like 10% feedback
keen belfry
but yes, the complaints made in here lately have been super valid and they are made still being very thankful that KS Is no longer death button. but no longer being death button is not the bar for a button being a good button, especially in a spec like outlaw. ty chat!
glass mortar
he asked us to give feedback on the forum post
shut lichen
and 90% infighting
glass mortar
so i assume they arent going off whats said in here all that much
which is fair
which is why we discuss things like this in here
but on the forums we arent gunna becomplaining
faint ferry
Is there a world where we just dont play KS again?
glass mortar
just give constructive feedback
faint ferry
or is dmg lose too much?
fair sparrow
Is there a world where we just dont play KS again?
Not with this tier set
glass mortar
sure if fatebound is strong enough
shut lichen
Is there a world where we just dont play KS again?
i'm sure there is a world yes
glass mortar
fatebounds tier set also seems turbo strong
red zinc
for aoe it wont be
cinder relic
If Ur playing trickster u have to play ks
cinder relic
Whether trickster or FB is better is unknown they will be tuned a lot for sure
fossil lintel
Guys, it's clear they want to introduce 25% downtime on out rotation so it's not so jarring when you need to swap to assassination for raiding
shut lichen
yeah the tier sets are suprisingly neat this time around
glass mortar
the fatebound tier set is a little awkward with PC tho
if u wanna play HO fatebound u basically cant take PC?
or CtO
one or the other
and if u wanna play kir u gotta play 1 fth
cinder relic
Guys, it's clear they want to introduce 25% downtime on out rotation so it's not...
They already said ks will likely get a longer cd
fossil lintel
Fine, 20% downtime
glass mortar
we'll see how it goes
shut lichen
They already said ks will likely get a longer cd
with more dmg?
cinder relic
Ya ofc
keen belfry
fatebounds tier set also seems turbo strong
playing fatebound on ptr its nice having perma gs/adr, but man i just dont like that tree. i think i really really like trickster
fossil lintel
I couldn't be bothered testing on ptr I just canceled that shit whenever I was at max CP every time
shut lichen
animation a bit too long for the amount of dam it currently does ye
proven ocean
this has to be the most annoying shit ever
glass mortar
or a bigger payoff for finishing the channel
timid idol
dude that new killing spree animation is so fucking awesome please let the spell not be too bad
proven ocean
making a good dungeon WA and making it 10 times more annoying by adding an addon on top of it
like
holy shit
timid idol
even if we have to cancel it i hope ks is still playable
vivid vessel
making a good dungeon WA and making it 10 times more annoying by adding an addon...
you dont understand why there is an addon then
proven ocean
it literally doesnt need the adddon to function
vivid vessel
it does
proven ocean
you dont understand why there is an addon then
its useless
vivid vessel
no
proven ocean
who cares
vivid vessel
its a database
fair sparrow
It’s prob a framework or some shit, or judging by the name it is what the addon needs for pulling data
proven ocean
doesnt matter, its not like the dungeon mechanics changed after 3 months of release
vivid vessel
blizz change a spell, or smth was wrong day 1, instead of updating the weak aura (fucking annoying) you update addon
why do you even care
rigid basin
yea they need to change kspree if they wanna avoid that
Just make it uncapped /s
vivid vessel
install it
fair sparrow
Yeah but the addon you’re using doesn’t have the spells hardcoded, it just pulls from the db addon
vivid vessel
its litteraly better
proven ocean
takes more fps for no reason
proven ocean
yea i have it disabled
keen belfry
wait has there already been a chat on the phys/agi spymasters?
stiff glade
Details too. Time to delete 
keen belfry
aint this gonna be crazy?
vivid vessel
ok so if u install 1000 of that same addon
its just a database of spells dude
it would be in the weak aura
instead
keen belfry
yeah outlaw gotta be one of the few specs that dont want this
proven ocean
might be good for outlaw actually cuz the dmg of it is kinda decent
vivid vessel
and you wouldnt update it
and you would complain about timers being off
or whatever
proven ocean
and you would complain about timers being off
idk never complained
shut lichen
it's another spymasters pog
proven ocean
you are rn
yap reply fr fr
shut lichen
aint this gonna be crazy?
but doesn't the other trinket that takes like 15% of ur health give the same as the max stats on this?
glass mortar
honestly with current numbers its probably overtuned enough to be good for law even
the average agi budget seems to be on track with normal trinkets
and it does big direct dam
wouldnt be as good for us but might still be good
keen belfry
but doesn't the other trinket that takes like 15% of ur health give the same as ...
havent a clue, ive looked at like 2 items. i saw there are 2 dmg proc trinkets and haste vers jewelery so im sated
proven ocean
55k i think
shut lichen
fair sparrow
What’s the cd though
keen belfry
im so excited for the vibes of this next raid, arent we fighting a behemoth
glass mortar
its also a flexible usage which is nice
shut lichen
55k i think
probs maxed out fair
proven ocean
these versatile trinkets are super broken op
because
if u hold it for abit
u dont rly lose dps
u gain dps
glass mortar
What’s the cd though
20s
rigid basin
and can kill you
We don't have lethal KS so we need that trinket to compensate
glass mortar
it takes 150s to hit max stacks
rigid basin
glass mortar
if u want maximum cashout
glass mortar
outlaw wouldnt care about that tho
oh i thought u were asking about the new spymaster thingy
keen belfry
i hope this is good i love damage proc passive trinkets
fair sparrow
No I mean the one that can kill you
shut lichen
No I mean the one that can kill you
think it's 2 mins
there is like no 1:30 trinkets atm
fair sparrow
Well there’s the mastery one
shut lichen
unless u count the spymasters knockoff
glass mortar
spymaster is whatever u need it to be
fair sparrow
At least the numbers seem well tuned this time
fair sparrow
Not like undermine trinkets
glass mortar
not designed for our spec but might still be good
shut lichen
oh didn't see this one
shut lichen
oh agi and int only sadge
shut lichen
it's not maxed
rigid basin
Fair but this is lower ilevel
shut lichen
and is lower ilvl
keen belfry
what are giga burst/execute specs that will fuck with 40 stack agi spymasters
sin woul dbe good
rigid basin
Id hope myth track will be better :p
glass mortar
it wont be -1k stats when its 30 ilvls higher
but yes it is budgeted lower then HoC
rigid basin
Ye exactly
glass mortar
nah thats u
proven ocean
"yea but the ilvl is lower XDXDXD" yea i cant see that at all
its literally less stats and HoC is already a shit sub trinket
glass mortar
its not 3 ilvl too low
its 40 ilvls too low
if u think its gunna have less stats then HoC at 723 ilvl
idk what to tell u
atomic fern
How are we feeling about outlaw's rotation assist? It doesn't seem to prioritize between the eyes when certain procs happen.
lilac prism
I tried making my own WA for outlaw, but when i use blade flurry and adrenaline rush which stops the countdown for blade flurry, the WA buggs out and shows like 500 duration left. When AR runs out it's back to normal.
I use the regular text option with %p to track the timer. Is there an easy fix for this? Thanks 🙂
glass mortar
???
proven ocean
its dogshit
shut lichen
transmitter gives like a metric shit ton of mainstats
proven ocean
ur just arguing to argue
glass mortar
what is ur point
proven ocean
it has less stat value
glass mortar
no ur literally arguing just to argue
proven ocean
so its even worse
glass mortar
i said its stat budget is lower then HoC
that doesnt matter its going to be muc hhigher ilvl
so it will be stronger then HoC
they r weakening the 1.5m trinkets
every season
proven ocean
i literally said its less stats and didnt add anything ur just yapping on how its gonna be higher stats at higher ilvl no shit sherlok
glass mortar
what do u want me to say
fossil lintel
And outlaw
rigid basin
I'm just wondering why your getting so Madge about it xd
shut lichen
proven ocean
agreeing with nothing to agree with
yo stats are lower "BUT THE STATS ARE HIGHER AT HIGHER ILVL XDXD"
glass mortar
if ur point was that its stat budget is lower then HoC i said that immediatly
shut lichen
which coffee did you make today ross?
proven ocean
if ur point was that its stat budget is lower then HoC i said that immediatly
no u didnt
u just straight up said
"its gonna be higher at higher ilvl XD"
literally no one knew that at all
im surprised u figured it out
bright crane
Cmon guys…. Make love not war(craft)
proven ocean
at same ilvl its automatically -1k stats
shut lichen
an observation i guess
bright crane
proven ocean
typical weran making a big deal out of nothing again
glass mortar
i am definitly the one making a big deal out of this
shut lichen
this argument is way above my tax bracket
shut lichen
so Wolves in game 6 amirite guys?
gaunt phoenix
I tried making my own WA for outlaw, but when i use blade flurry and adrenaline ...
check "blizzard cooldown reduction" in the text settings
proven ocean
and i get 5 replies
what do u expect me to say
lmao
literally 3 ilvl difference its basically identical ilvl
glass mortar
did we need to reduce the stat budget on the 1.5m cd on use trinkets
was HoC too much
shut lichen
because what was the reason for this observation besides it's stats are less at it's champion level
shut lichen
i have no free will so i'll just do what my sims say i play with
proven ocean
HoC is good, and the new mastery 1.5 trinket is baseline so its nothing interesting
its mostly underwhelming it wont be bis at all
glass mortar
yea its even more boring then HoC and its weaker relative to stat budgets
could easily lose to the new spymaster even since u can use that as a 1.5m cd trinket
and mastery is gunna be so dr'd for alot of people
shut lichen
is it a dungeon trinket or from raid?
proven ocean
i think the trinket is still gonna be good for 1.5 min classes that like mastery alot and do good dmg out of cds
but sub looks like its gonna run the spymaster bullshit
ngl i think sub is gonna play spymaster+delve trinket
and try to proc the delve trinket in cds
and if u do thats legit a huge ass dps gain
delve trinket is quite crazy in m+
procs all the time
glass mortar
i think anyone who likes mastery even a tiny bit plays that delve trinket but i think the delve trinket has a very funny silly unreal number rn thats probably gunna get reduced
proven ocean
legit gives a stack from any kill
shut lichen
and try to proc the delve trinket in cds
which delve one?
shut lichen
what?
proven ocean
prob nerf soon
shut lichen
kinda nutty wtf
proven ocean
procs legit all the time in m+
glass mortar
builds up stacks at max stacks u get 30k mastery
stacks build from an rppm proc and mob deaths
proven ocean
this is like
shut lichen
i ain't getting that on hero for forever
blissful idol
the craziest trinket we've had in a rly long time
show
shut lichen
but also when it doesn't proc in cds u probs feel suicidal
proven ocean
even if it has to stack up
stacks makes it 1000000 times better
im not logged in ptr atm
this is stronger than eye of kezan imo
i love op trinkets
cringe when they just perma nerf shit and a trinket ends up being 1-2%
and u dont feel shit about it
proven ocean
all trinkets op sounds fun
blizzard just loves ruining the fun "we dont want to make things too impactful lets make it stable" brother
stable for who
like
wtf are u even saying
i dont understand why these trinkets have to be 1% dps gain
shut lichen
tbf i get it to an extent
shut lichen
once u open those floodgates it's hard to close them
proven ocean
theres no extent rogue guy
all trinkets have to be op
legit no flavor in gear atm in wow
everything just sucks balls
shut lichen
like when SL tier sets were busted and then DF s1 were basic as fuck
proven ocean
only reason wow is good because combat is good
shut lichen
felt rough
proven ocean
gera is pure dogshit
gear
fucking gallywix weapon 0.1% dps gain
like
who even designed this
make it strong and op
proven ocean
and then u get a shit ring jastor diamond that sims well and does well but u cant feel shit about it
glass mortar
they are making u feel powerful from ur gear progression brother, by making every tier have like 2+ tiers worth of ilvl increase
proven ocean
trinkets atleast u can feel them well if they're good
glass mortar
yea its abit of a shit way to do it
shut lichen
bro this patch making my UI turn green is infuriating as shit
vivid vessel
If everything is op nothing is op tho no?
Idk I dobt care much about trinkets and shit, at least when nothing is good you don't have to worry about not having your bis items yet
proven ocean
If everything is op nothing is op tho no?
????????????
what are u yapping about zac
take this as an example
3k stats do nothing
if its 30k stats
that'll make it op
even if other trinkets are op
lilac prism
check "blizzard cooldown reduction" in the text settings
thank you so much! ❤️
vivid vessel
What's the difference between every trinket being a 10% damage increase and every trinket being a 1% increase damage in the end
You do the same damage in the end
vivid vessel
Sure
I guess that's only a thing for specs that have cds to pair with trinkets do they burst higher
vivid vessel
Cause everything else doesn't matter
vivid vessel
Ye
proven ocean
55k agility
is crazy
81k on live btw
and trinket gives 55k
thats super op
lmao
vivid vessel
You are just bursting higher tho, you will get tuned around that
vivid vessel
Or specs will be tuned around that
hybrid crown
Dev will open 16 mil
vivid vessel
Like in the end the number itself doesn't matter
proven ocean
Or specs will be tuned around that
no zac cuz everyone can use it
shut lichen
Dev will open 16 mil
enhance drops a nuke as well
proven ocean
spymaster was turbo broken
same as this new one
exactly the same
spymaster is even bis for some specs still
like ele i think
iirc
glass mortar
the design of the trinket is fun, it being overtuned just makes it feel more impactful even if every trinket was overtuned it would be relatively less impactful
fresh acorn
Totally off topic, outlaw is probably my least performed spec. Outside of the wowhead guide are there any good resources people recommend to improve? It also might just be a play more angle
glass mortar
i do agree it feels abit shit when every trinket is just 2% dps
even if it doesnt make a huge difference
also its hard to have trinkets that can amplify ur damage profile if every trinket is 2%
vivid vessel
The better trinkets are
The worse outlaw is
Because they still don't do damage trinkets that are aoe
proven ocean
i know we'll get a 40 year old dad dev who does +10 keys and will nerf the new spymaster cuz he doesnt want things to die fast in a +10 and ruin the fun for everyone else in high keys
civic void
Except if that trinket is noggenfucker ...
proven ocean
The worse outlaw is
outlaw is looking very bad next season because of the trinkets btw ngl
vivid vessel
That was still st
proven ocean
zac
vivid vessel
Just overturned st
glass mortar
noggenfucker didnt do aoe damage it was just so out of wack its st damage made it better then anything we had in aoe
proven ocean
the delve trinket
buffs my mastery by 200%
on sin
200% of my baseline amount
isnt that crazy
??
civic void
Specifically for outlaw but ye I was joking anyway
vivid vessel
Ye well thats kinda my point
vivid vessel
The equivalent for outlaw
proven ocean
and
vivid vessel
Never exist
vivid vessel
Because blizzard can't do AOE trinkets for some reason so
mighty pivot
Totally off topic, outlaw is probably my least performed spec. Outside of the wo...
have you read everything in #outlaw-faq? Pretty sure it has more detailed info compared to wowhead. It is likely a play more issue regardless
hybrid crown
If it pairs with mobs dying that sounds like some double dip fun with zoldyck for assa
proven ocean
Because blizzard can't do AOE trinkets for some reason so
if they do outlaw will be busted ngl
vivid vessel
What
fresh acorn
have you read everything in <#856897810536071208>? Pretty sure it has more detai...
Forgot about this channel, ty
proven ocean
then it got fixed
vivid vessel
Every spec in the game have that ross
Just not outlaw
Because we can't pair our CDs with a stat trinket
So we play double st trinket
Eevryt tier
hybrid crown
The new KS looks a bit like strafe from d3 I can't wait to play it
glass mortar
plus our stats suck so even if a trinket is tuned high enough to be used we r still getting way less mileage from it then normal specs
proven ocean
im not just talking about casters trinkets
and stats zac
im just talking like
all trinkets are bad
why not make every trinket super op
like
imagine if magnet was uncap aoe
wouldn't that be so cool?
vivid vessel
They never dk that ever tho
proven ocean
like unccapped magnet wont change shit in raid man
glass mortar
all the direct damage in these trinkets is meteord
glass mortar
its just the stat ones
proven ocean
20% crit chance from outlaw
glass mortar
that look broken
proven ocean
and 50% vers
glass mortar
as always
vivid vessel
The only time we had an woe trinket was boon dude
proven ocean
lmao
vivid vessel
That's litteraly it
proven ocean
censi
proven ocean
sorry to tell u but every purple who gets purple automatically becomes bad at the game and quits
vivid vessel
I wish they made damage trinkets that did AOE
proven ocean
im yet to see a single purple
glass mortar
wdym zac
desert tendon
yea that what i say zero
proven ocean
that actually plays the game
vivid vessel
Ye
proven ocean
and understands rogue atleast to 90%
glass mortar
!
vivid vessel
Mb
desert tendon
you re too good at the game and way too awesome to be purple
vivid vessel
Idk
proven ocean
half the greens purples dont even play rogue or wow atm
proven ocean
and labeled as helpful community members
meanwhile
the non colored ones
help 100 times more
vivid vessel
Like every trinket is st for some reason
proven ocean
and know 100 times more things
vivid vessel
Xd
proven ocean
agreed
vivid vessel
True and real
proven ocean
ryu is the reason outlaw ddidnt get nerfed
no cappi tho
the goats are the oranges
proven ocean
shadowblades = 
everyone else 
vivid vessel
What are they doing to amz
glass mortar
making it more effective in raid aint they
desert tendon
they deleting the cap they introduced in SL
glass mortar
its flat magic DR again
vivid vessel
I see
desert tendon
15% flat dr
glass mortar
longer cd tho
shut lichen
shadowblades = <a:GIGACHAD:876029372803461141> everyone else <:Dente:11801637961...
don't do solo and koji like this wtf
proven ocean
4 min cd wtf
pearl trout
I think they removed the damage limit to AMZ, so it doesnt end after X amount of damage
glass mortar
true raid cd
proven ocean
i think greens are good also zero
desert tendon
ceverion the goat of greenies
proven ocean
ceverion isnt even green
vivid vessel
<a:copium:1186797333011243018>
You know solo is green
desert tendon
he was
vivid vessel
Or
shut lichen
koji carries
vivid vessel
Without Koji we can't sim
desert tendon
it s better now zac isnt green anymore also
vivid vessel
But you know
proven ocean
Without Koji we can't sim
well yea i agree but
u know that we'll have someone else do that if he isnt here right
stiff glade
Why are you guys still pink actually?
vivid vessel
u know that we'll have someone else do that if he isnt here right
No not really
desert tendon
vivid vessel
Koji work is proper dev
shut lichen
^
vivid vessel
It's not just apl
proven ocean
ur telling me raidbots will be completely broken andd it wont work forever if koji isn't here?
i refuse to believe that
vivid vessel
No
shut lichen
it'd be hard to find a replacement
vivid vessel
I'm telling you rogue module will be cooked
proven ocean
like some other classes?
vivid vessel
Like the apl tell the bot to press sinister strike
proven ocean
he's the reason rogue has very proper sims
vivid vessel
Koji codes all that is behind
vivid vessel
He codes the bot casting sinister strike
gaunt phoenix
Koji handles the C++ implementation of spells and talents etc
obsidian walrus
they need to rework the stats for outlaw
vivid vessel
Without Koji everything falls appart
obsidian walrus
that is why we use the most shit trinkets every time
vivid vessel
And there isn't really anyone that could do it as well as koji
shut lichen
koji is the geppetto to the pinocchio that is simc
vivid vessel
It's proper dev stuffs it'd not just random tinkering
proven ocean
because i know u can learn everything when it ccomes to outlaw
cuz you'll go crazy if things dont work and u cant find dps gains
vivid vessel
I mean I could but it wouldn't be nearly the same quality
Solo could
Levi did a bit as well
But again
proven ocean
ye maybe
vivid vessel
It's actual real dev things
proven ocean
yea i understand
vivid vessel
It wouldn't be as clean, efficient, well coded
Koji make things works, if we were to do it, it probably would be broken half the time
proven ocean
ngl if we had more ppl like koji, we could use chatgbt for sims and shit but no one knows how to do that properly at all or even at half a decent level
i think ppl underestimate what AI can do nowadays
vivid vessel
I don't
proven ocean
cuz it functions on alot of way harder and complicated things than APL, sims etc
vivid vessel
I work with ai everyday
proven ocean
way better than what a human can do
vivid vessel
It's kinda op
proven ocean
and it does it in seconds
vivid vessel
I barely code anymore at my job
proven ocean
rather than you in hours
shut lichen
ai carries work so hard
proven ocean
there are many courses btw online zac
to make u learn how to use AI
cuz
its hard to use AI for certain things
u need alot of knowledge
i refuse to believe we'll get an AI master coder in wow anytime soon anyway
they're usually in very huge companies
like nvidia
vivid vessel
You are hard yapping rn 
shut lichen
he's just passionate
proven ocean
civic void
The shareholders are gatekeeping the ai sims
proven ocean
wish i was rich i want to buy everyone in chat wooting keyboards
shut lichen
aren't you rich?
shut lichen
u have like luxury ass coffee
vivid vessel
2 billions
proven ocean
proven ocean
ngl if i was rich
vivid vessel
We know
proven ocean
i'd buy every rogue i know this keyboard cuz
i think its gonna be good for rogue i'll test it
and give feedback
shut lichen
how much is the keyboard?
wintry solar
He hasn't made his assets liquid yet
vivid vessel
Should I get it ?
proven ocean
let me test it first zac but in theory yes its the best keyboard atm in the world
vivid vessel
I need a new mouse
shut lichen
idk about buying a start up keyboard
vivid vessel
Wooting is barely a start up
People have been yapping about wooting for 10 years now
proven ocean
i have a mouse i never used before
its brand new
very good condition and new
one of the best mouses imo too
proven ocean
zac wooting keyboard is rly fast
shut lichen
People have been yapping about wooting for 10 years now
never heard of it so it's startup for me
vivid vessel
Because I have something I got used