oh the % is 100 yea
#outlaw
lone spear
hidden bay
Yeah the slow is literally meaningless
vapid sundial
Like
lone spear
you can also grapple during it
cinder haven
Grapple doesnt cancel?
vapid sundial
No
cinder haven
Niice
hidden bay
Going from not controlling your character to 20% slow and having complains is mega wild
lone spear
i am generally on the side of "stuff can always be improved"
hidden bay
Yes animation is dogshit
lone spear
but i think yea the ability is good as is
lone spear
the problem is you dont stop autoing during it
vapid sundial
Like what do u want
lone spear
so the auto animations look weird during it
i guess that isnt a problem i much rather keep autoing than not, but it does cuck the animation
vapid sundial
It doesn't help the show case we saw was using a fist weapon too
And tauren who I think have worse animations
hidden bay
I dont think having a thunderfury instead would make it that much better
gilded sinew
Blizzard implementing coup abuse bug as 4p tier set bonus is wild
hidden bay
Maybe they should disable auto animations during ks
cinder haven
Very funny
hidden bay
Or something
vapid sundial
Blizzard implementing coup abuse bug as 4p tier set bonus is wild
We literally asked them to make it a part of our kit
hidden bay
Blizzard implementing coup abuse bug as 4p tier set bonus is wild
Great addition
lavish geyser
We literally asked them to make it a part of our kit
It’s still a slap in the face
lavish geyser
Because it’s on tier, it’s not part of our kit is it
lime lake
cinder haven
This extra coup, is it a separate buff so it doesn’t affect escalating blade stacks?
vapid sundial
"They gave us what we wanted, it's a slap in the face '
Well maybe think of this right
They have to nerf us to add that to the kit.
Cuz we are already strong
I expect massive hero talent changes in the new expansion
cinder haven
We’ll have silly amounts of cdr
vapid sundial
So
hidden bay
Losing current tier is the bigger gameplay improvement than gaining new one imo anyway
Fuck the rtb spam rng
lime lake
they've also multiple times added well liked tier sets to the specs base kit the next season
so just make sure realz knows how much you like it
lone spear
btw is the trickster set not just way stronger than fatebound set rn?
like how can they even make that fatebound set good
vapid sundial
they've also multiple times added well liked tier sets to the specs base kit the...
They're probably testing before they add next expac
Is my guess
See how it goes over
lavish geyser
But we know how coup goes 😂
hidden bay
btw is the trickster set not just way stronger than fatebound set rn?
They revorked ks, fatebound can die in a fire now nobody cares xd
frank finch
They revorked ks, fatebound can die in a fire now nobody cares xd
except fb kinda cranks
vapid sundial
We don't know how it goes bc it was with current tier and ks with coup bug
frank finch
lucky coin procs alot now
vapid sundial
It's entirely different now
frank finch
with fb u can play non crackshot build and have 100 % ar uptime
hidden bay
with fb u can play non crackshot build and have 100 % ar uptime
How long does lucky coin last out of combat?
lavish geyser
Who’s complaining?
hidden bay
Because it sounds shit for keys
frank finch
How long does lucky coin last out of combat?
well for keys its still trickster
lavish geyser
I don’t dislike any of the changes, the irony of losing coup mid season then getting it as a tier set bonus is not lost on me though
I think you need to loosen up
lavish geyser
Yeah you are too tense brother
lone spear
the fix was for sure needed, but thats not to say some did enjoy the gameplay
lime lake
lone spear
i personally didnt like being locked to a global after the first one
but the 5s buffer on the set looks like itll be good
vapid sundial
Ye
Took the bug and made it better
And less ass
Good change blizzard
Giving us what we want finally
Praise be realz
Sat through us yapping and took notes
hidden bay
Theres gotta be more changes coming too
lone spear
i mean KS will be iterated on for sure, but in terms of spec changes i think it plays really good right now
hidden bay
Surely some trickster tweaks around ub stacks and the supposed kir container stuff ion confirmed
lone spear
the fact that outlaw is as fun as it is on live despite current killing spree is a testemant to that
cedar kernel
Brothers brothers
I think about one thing on the bed by watching the pin vedio
Does the new KS can proc Mastery?
hidden bay
Wonder if it's time to come back and push ranks
They made enha a lot less cringe and now im probably staying on it :/
vapid sundial
Yes
cedar kernel
Like there are some 80000dmg
vapid sundial
They made enha a lot less cringe and now im probably staying on it :/
I love enh
Had so much fun my first season playing
hidden bay
Yes a lot of ppl did it was also op
vapid sundial
I didn't care about op
I play outlaw man
I did get to exp what mages norm do tho
Main character
lone spear
if mage is main character
shadow priest is the character that shows up, does well to start, then gets their ass beat before coming back with new look/attitude
shit, shadow priest is the vegeta of wow
vapid sundial
fighting the urge to reinstall and sub
hidden bay
Dont man
dense bolt
Did i miss an important announcment or smth
hidden bay
That was filtered?
vapid sundial
i swear it was
maybe it was something similar
But yeha letting one set of good decisions bring me back seems eh
shell fossil
astral wind
But yeha letting one set of good decisions bring me back seems eh
Why quit in first place wow is fun and good
vapid sundial
xd
astral wind
Get a myth guild with some friends, blast, have fun, nice video game
lusty sparrow
Did I wake up to an unironic ks redesign
jagged lark
which belt effect is good for outlaw?charged bolts?
vapid sundial
Pin
lusty sparrow
We used to pray for times like these
vapid sundial
To poor Ryu
You know he really wants to post a copy pasta thanking the blizz lords
fossil lintel
My wishlist for the new KS is pretty simple:
- make it hit your target only instead of random.
- it could be a tad faster, but I think we'll cancel it anyway
vapid sundial
Make every subsequent hit do a tad bit more dmg so people don't cancel it. ;>
fossil lintel
And for the tier set is let us build after the first coup
Eh, I liked cancelling it
You just wait for your CPS to fill and send another finisher
Actually it flows really nice if you KS while you have a coup ready, so you KS evis evis vanish
lucid vale
yall, progging mythic muggz - how do i grapple the wall/gaol mechanic?
bright crane
how do ppl already have the tw event mount?
lone spear
yall, progging mythic muggz - how do i grapple the wall/gaol mechanic?
you have to time it so that you grapple before the walls come up, it takes trial and error
however that is an outdated way to do it, people just stay in and kill the adds now
haughty wigeon
how do ppl already have the tw event mount?
bug
stuck patrol
bright crane
interesting - whats the bug?
fluid meadow
bruh wtf got kicked from tw dungeon, and got 30 min desert , cuz i tricked mobs to tank and just oneshot everything 
haughty wigeon
bruh wtf got kicked from tw dungeon, and got 30 min desert , cuz i tricked mobs ...
:)
gusty cipher
Shit got me speakin like pengu
this is very relatable. I haven’t been this hyped for an ability rework since forever
cinder haven
And for the tier set is let us build after the first coup
We can’t gain new eb stacks until we use the extra coup?
But it is also double damage so you probably don’t want to low cp it?
Maybe it’s fine to low cp anyway
lucid vale
however that is an outdated way to do it, people just stay in and kill the adds ...
thank you!
random stirrup
But it is also double damage so you probably don’t want to low cp it?
i dont think its double
100% of normal damage is just normal damage
cinder haven
Ooh
random stirrup
probably worded that way so that they can tune it more easily
cinder haven
Then we low cp it if needed for sure
lone spear
i feel like now more than ever we need an escalating blade tracker in game
hidden bay
We can’t gain new eb stacks until we use the extra coup?
Surely they tweak trickster tho
Cuz the resets are also a bit cooked
hidden bay
We potentially end up sitting on ub for very long wasting a lot of cd
cinder haven
It’s fine if they let us track it
We already have trouble burning through the ub charges sometimes
hidden bay
Id rather it was 30% to cast twice and they let us stack to like 6 or 8
hidden bay
Stacking to 8 would make a lot of sense now that we can double coup anyway
cinder haven
when you say stack to 8, do you mean the extra charges from KS or the "normal" ones, or both?
because currently they are mostly independent from each other
the reset thing probably only applies to the "normal" ones, but not sure
ah you mean the escalating blade charges
that makes sense
tribal oasis
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
cinder haven
if you could stack EB higher than 4 we would get rid of low cp coup and some other jank
hidden bay
ah you mean the escalating blade charges
Yea
cinder haven
we still have to avoid wasting UB charges though
especially since they buff the damage
hidden bay
Which would also be easier with this but wouldnt solve it
It needs more tweaks its not very well designed imo
hidden bay
They want to make less to track tho
cinder haven
if UB is available, SS shows as UB
hidden bay
That would be good yeah
vivid vessel
if UB is available, SS shows as UB
That's stil kinda shit if you don't know how many you have
cold jewel
cinder haven
That's stil kinda shit if you don't know how many you have
I'd much prefer to know how many stacks I have yeah
but we can always play around stuff like this if we have to
vivid vessel
Idk
hardy thicket
No way they finally gave us a Gunner* finisher
vivid vessel
The new thing completely brick the ub tracker and I doubt there is an event that tells you you procced
So
We have no way to track ub anymore
cold jewel
No way they finally gave us a Gunner* finisher
what sword do you use bte with?
oh nice edit
hardy thicket
Sniped
cold jewel
xdd
cinder haven
We have no way to track ub anymore
yeah, and the UB damage is also buffed and double coup is back so it's even more important to utilize them optimally
hidden bay
Still bit cringe if you at 3 and close to 4 before vanish
They just need to rework it all a bit
stiff glade
I'm HYPED for some changes man. Hope this iteration of KS turns into a button that doesn't feel like a burden, no matter how that is solved. A long channel is weird on law, but if it's not too often (CD changes?), actually feels like a powerful ability and since we can move and stuff now, it could actually become quite nice
The UB stuff is kinda weird though
vivid vessel
If you keep it the same duration
It kinda needs to be a 1 min (real 1 min) cd at least
stiff glade
Yeah, this duration/CD on it seems a bit silly
hidden bay
It will feel better than now anyway even if its still a shit ability its not current ks and thats gg
stiff glade
I still wanna crackshot and not overcap on vanish for each use
vivid vessel
It will feel better than now anyway even if its still a shit ability its not cur...
Ye but please
I don't want people to settle for a bad ability
Just cause we are coming from the worse ability in the game
stiff glade
I don't want it to be "better than now", I want it to be a button I want to press, not one that is cringe, but necessary and numerically strong
hidden bay
Bro im the biggest settler
vivid vessel
Send the tooltip I need to see something
stiff glade
But man, I wanna have full control over UB stacks
vivid vessel
It's easy to settle for piss when you were eating shit
But I want an hamburger instead
hidden bay
It took like 1+ year
random stirrup
But I want an hamburger instead
no baguette?
vivid vessel
I can
That's the only thing they need to get right for 11.2
And it's also the only rogue change
I think we can expect it to be polished
vivid vessel
It took like 1+ year
Also it took more than 1 year
We were complaining in SL already
hidden bay
Further proving my point
stiff glade
Realz mentioned something about maybe adjusting the cooldown didn't he?
vivid vessel
People were probably complaining back when before I started playing even
stiff glade
Aight cool
stiff glade
Yeah I know
dim widget
People were probably complaining back when before I started playing even
Yes, it was already a meme and killing people in WoD, prob before that too
vivid vessel
You cant make it a 1 min cool down it just bricks trickster completely
hidden bay
We get this for now and then it gets to be a good ability on next bigger rogue rework
vivid vessel
And 1 min real cd is basically the only time I would accept to cast a 5 s channel I think
Otherwise it's crazy
random stirrup
how low would u want KS to be for it to keep its current cd
stiff glade
We're gonna actively choose to not supercharge this, aren't we? Cause of CP overcap?
stiff glade
So if we play it right it's more like a 3.5s channel hasted, so not even that?
vivid vessel
I don't really see why it needs to be longer
You seen the animation already after 1 sec
stiff glade
Not that it makes it that much better, but it's not actually 5 sec
random stirrup
So if we play it right it's more like a 3.5s channel hasted, so not even that?
with supercharger up to 5s
vivid vessel
4.5 hasted probably
stiff glade
with supercharger up to 5s
Yeah, but we're not gonna supercharge KS prob?
vivid vessel
Well we can't really do anything about that
stiff glade
Or at least try to avoid it so we don't overcap?
vivid vessel
And if we are already talking about not wanting to SC it
Isn't it the issue
Spell is still so annoying you would rather not SC it ?
polar niche
You can cast other spells during new ks?
vivid vessel
No
dim widget
Or maybe, they build that long channel intentionally, and buff it's number to the moon so we have some burst
Surely right
vivid vessel
Defs only
dim widget
Sureeeelllyyyy
stiff glade
No, I'm just saying, if some tc finds an optimal way to play around it where it's worth to spend SC before we KS then we're looking at something like a 3 sec cast more likely right?
polar niche
Ouch
vivid vessel
But then you need to increase the cd
dense bolt
are we very happy, medium happy or not very happy
vivid vessel
And again
dense bolt
Anout this
vivid vessel
That would be possible
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
If ks wasn't trickster
Only way I get realz to read me is if I make a feedback post anyway since I'm blocked
stiff glade
I'm gonna spend some time with this and write up something I think
haughty wigeon
put it in tierset feedback thread if no rogue thread appears
or make a unoffical one on the ptr forums
and all rogues spam that like the ks thread
stiff glade
I agree though, it's a lil cringe to actively not SC our biggest dam button
vivid vessel
Anout this
Happy we are free from the worse spell in the game, but we are fighting for second worse now
I guess
It's a cool anim
Outlaw shouldn't be casting a 5 sec channel every 20 s tho
grim spear
Damn, I’m playing this. I’m playing this today.
cinder relic
Second worst spell 
stiff glade
It looks a lot like a cone, but it's just like any normal ability right? As in it flurries around us and stuff?
polar niche
They need to change it
vivid vessel
I would like you to not clown me everytime I type a message you blizzard shill
vivid vessel
It looks a lot like a cone, but it's just like any normal ability right? As in i...
Ye except it target rng mobs
cinder relic
Slightly olonger CD slightly less duration its gucchi
stiff glade
And it says 8 yards, but does that include our target or is it just the cleave range?
vivid vessel
Which is def mega cringe
stiff glade
Ye except it target rng mobs
Oh, so not even on target ...
haughty wigeon
Slightly olonger CD slightly less duration its gucchi
no
we must judge it
by the metric of first day of ptr
stiff glade
Silently sneaking in some acro stuff here tho 
vivid vessel
Slightly olonger CD slightly less duration its gucchi
Yeee but how do you increase the cd since it's trickster
cinder relic
U buff its damage
vivid vessel
by the metric of first day of ptr
?
No I mean
It's trickster
It gives ub
It gives all the trickster stuffs
cinder relic
Let me repeat myself
U buff its damage
I'm aware its strong because of trickster synergies
haughty wigeon
impssible
vivid vessel
by the metric of first day of ptr
How does this happen every ptr cycle, when we can't complain until it's live xd
stiff glade
What if SC KS made it last the same duration, but just sped the anim and dmg up by a % amount so we do the 10 CP channel in normal speed?
stiff glade
So it's just more dam in the same time window
cinder relic
A lot of the value of KS is in its ability to trigger the trickster talent tree
haughty wigeon
memes aside
cinder relic
Like, U just change the CD, and the cast damage to equalize out
haughty wigeon
i dont think it'l take much to fix new ks
cinder relic
Its not that complicated
haughty wigeon
compared to old ks
stiff glade
I mean every other finisher with SC is just more dam and CDR, so why not do the same for KS
vivid vessel
Bro I'm saying trickster stuffs are unrelated to ks lol
You can't just buff ks, you need to change how trickster interact with ks
haughty wigeon
patent mirage
ks claimed enough souls and it got changed
patent mirage
it was quite fun in the ptr
haughty wigeon
if they are willing to change ks to something utterly and completely different then surely it can be improved upon with shorter channel and higher cd
and more dams to make it worth not canceling in trickster
cinder relic
realz also said he was thinking about increasing the CD so
haughty wigeon
heck can make it refund combo points after its done instead of during too
that would be neat
craggy barn
can u get interrupted while casting ks
quaint sable
is it for every 0.5s u get cp or every 0.5*(1-haste) u get cp
cinder relic
vivid vessel
Why cant u just buff KS
because ks also exist as a standalone spell unrelated to trickster idk
haughty wigeon
but we're going to have trickster for 2 more expansion
cinder relic
KS should be really strong so making it OP I'd be fine bruv
patent mirage
wat
vivid vessel
is it for every 0.5s u get cp or every 0.5*(1-haste) u get cp
thats also my question idik
haughty wigeon
we cant seperate hero trees and their triggers until after the last titan
thats sadly the reality of the situation
if it ends up being buffed enoguh to be taken in fatebound then thats cool too
vivid vessel
You are aware we have a second hero talent or
haughty wigeon
it wont btw
patent mirage
wat
cinder relic
Trickster and fatebound should both play KS
vivid vessel
If you remove all the power from trickster to put it into ks
You just don't play trickster
haughty wigeon
just buff ks directly then
vivid vessel
Uh
craggy barn
anyone know if someone can interrupt u during ks
vivid vessel
That's exactly what I'm saying
vivid vessel
Idk why I bother everytime lol
haughty wigeon
pog
vivid vessel
Nah
haughty wigeon
anyone know if someone can interrupt u during ks
you cant kick during it
cinder relic
Well it's not "removing all of the power from trickster"
haughty wigeon
but that doesnt seems intentional
cinder relic
its to just give it a longer CD and not equate to a large nerf
craggy barn
you cant kick during it
thats not what i asked
im wondering if someone else can literally interrupt u
or if rescue fucks u
vivid vessel
you can grapple tho
haughty wigeon
i would imagine no
quaint sable
I mean i can move during it
vivid vessel
al;so who cares
craggy barn
matters for any interrupt shout
quaint sable
it might cancel due to being out of range or just not hit anything
vivid vessel
ah
craggy barn
and pvp but thats less important
it doesnt cancel if ur out of range and cant hit anythign last i tested
if u cast in range then move out it just continues channeling but nothing happens
hidden bay
Bro imagine you press ks and your character stays in place omg cant wait
dim widget
KS should be really strong so making it OP I'd be fine bruv
Agreed, @vivid vessel stop gate keeping glowy fun button big number Go brrrr
😡
cinder relic
facts
dim widget
I wanna gap pi clowns in their CDs when I'm demon flurrying my 20 pistols around
craggy barn
ks potentially being 5 seconds is cringe
the refunding cp is kinda weird on the rotation as it currently is
otherwise i like it
vivid vessel
KS should be really strong so making it OP I'd be fine bruv
guy
thoughts on
i like ks being an aditional rotational finsher
instead of an actual cd
like it is on live rn
idk if i would enjoy ks as much if it was an actual longer cd
you press once a min or smth
craggy barn
i like the current live cadence of KS press
but if it was old ks where u just pressed it as a cd and not a finisher, that would also be fine for me
it just feels like a weird middleground rn bc of the channel duration and the cp refund
cinder relic
like it is on live rn
Unsure what u mean
grim spear
Bro imagine you press ks and your character stays in place omg cant wait
I cant play 11.1 for even one more day
Im heading to Karresh
hidden bay
Yes i quit rogue because of ks this season but maybe comeback arc
lone spear
i like ks being an aditional rotational finsher
thats fine, but i think many people dont
i think most people like it being a big button you press every now and then
burnt yew
Oh so everyone else hates current ks too
cold falcon
Its a reset for UB nothing more
lone spear
but it should be more
in my opinion
it should be "oh boy killing spree coming up lets gooo"
lone spear
what does that mean, you do a little more aoe damage sometimes?
vivid vessel
Unsure what u mean
the way it is rn, its an additional rotational finisher similar to bte, (or how bte was before crackshot), if you make it a long cd, its not really rotational anymore, its just a cd, I like pressing it often, its interesting
lone spear
ive enjoyed the cp refund playing on PTR
it basically just means more cdr
which rn, is alot
craggy barn
with trickster at least just feels awkward since u want to spend ur UB
vivid vessel
it basically just means more cdr
you lose current 4p so
craggy barn
and overall just feels weird spending cp to get them back like that
vivid vessel
i think its relatively neutral
lone spear
it gets into that territory of "too much to press, not enough time"
uncapped aoe is a crux of complaint that means nothing
lone spear
gameplay and tuning is what matters, we are a strong spec rn and people are doing the highest keys as outlaw
craggy barn
?? the little bit of uncapped aoe we get with cudgel makes our aoe more relevant in live keys idk what ur talking about with it meaning nothing
cinder relic
the way it is rn, its an additional rotational finisher similar to bte, (or how ...
I don't think adding a minute, or 30 seconds to its cd will drastically change that. Especially with how much cdr trickster is adding to the spec
craggy barn
if outlaw is giga tuned then sure it will be played regardless
cinder relic
That's something that isn't being accounted for as well. The new tier sets are very good
craggy barn
but uncapped aoe makes it slightly more relevant when it isnt giga tuned
for pug keys
lone spear
you're telling me 2-3% overall
vivid vessel
I'm talking with new tier sets In mind
vivid vessel
Nah
craggy barn
no?
vivid vessel
It's nice for uncapped pack tho
haughty wigeon
outlaw is good
cinder relic
I'm talking with new tier sets In mind
I think if it's current cd was kept, with the Tier, it'd be fucking insane
vivid vessel
Zomb isn't worng
lone spear
then who cares about it
haughty wigeon
really good
lone spear
its just damage tho
craggy barn
who cares about highest keys??
vivid vessel
But it doesn't do much
lone spear
its not like the gameplay is cool, or hell even the visual
vivid vessel
I think if it's current cd was kept, with the Tier, it'd be fucking insane
You mean with the new tier ?
cinder relic
Yes
craggy barn
cudgel visual is fucking goated
vivid vessel
I need to play a key with it instead of dummies
But it felt relatively normal to me
cinder relic
1:30 cd ks with tier is probably too low of a cd for ks to have
cinder relic
Especially with its longer channel
vivid vessel
I mean ye with the long channel
Thing is
0.5s/ cp
Max it should be is what it takes to get to max cp
dim widget
cudgel visual is fucking goated
True
craggy barn
if ur gonna say uncapped aoe doesnt matter, then why do we go out of our way to get it
with a fucking champion offhand
cinder relic
This is what I mean when I say things like "Ppl dont really understand target caps"
dim widget
@craggy barn it's not purely being used because uncap, it's main reason is because outlaw has the most combat resets in the game
craggy barn
i know
dim widget
So we procc it more than anyone could ever dream of
dim widget
Ye I like it too
craggy barn
i dont want it shadowy
lone spear
which is what they were going for
craggy barn
i want the explosion
explosion could be literally any color
make it grey smoke
literally like explosive rounds
ez
cinder relic
Here is my KS wishlist:
Longer CD with more damage to compensate ofc
Less channel, probably just the same as current KS, wouldn't want it shorter imo
New icon since current no longer makes sense
torpid fiber
they could replace the icon with gsw icon for a more abstract take
remote pecan
is there an npc for new gear in dornogal?
torpid fiber
can we yoink mf from league entirely so i don't have to watch any more pro teams pick her pls
lone spear
can we yoink mf from league entirely so i don't have to watch any more pro teams...
its ok, now we get to watch annie be useless instead 
craggy barn
or is it in the pvp area
torpid fiber
its ok, now we get to watch annie be useless instead <:kekdog:907207037757296710...
annie is broken though
vivid vessel
Here is my KS wishlist:
Longer CD with more damage to compensate ofc
Less chann...
in term of real cd what would you think is acceptable
cinder relic
U mean effective cd?
vivid vessel
like frequency of press
lone spear
annie is broken though
she has like, 5 min per game of being strong, then she falls off hard
vivid vessel
hm
cinder relic
Probably closer to 40
torpid fiber
i think the teams good at using annie make her look consistently good but I do agree that she's not a scaling carry midlaner
vivid vessel
i was more thinking about 1min tbf
haughty wigeon
with proper play
vivid vessel
30s is kinda still quite often
lone spear
would it be so bad to make it 40s CD and taking it off restless blades?
craggy barn
1 min add cudgel explosions
haughty wigeon
would it be so bad to make it 40s CD and taking it off restless blades?
would be a direct fix to it
cinder relic
would it be so bad to make it 40s CD and taking it off restless blades?
restless blades is the entire spec so why would u do that
haughty wigeon
but im not sure how people would react to just doing that
vivid vessel
would it be so bad to make it 40s CD and taking it off restless blades?
why
cinder relic
Just make it an x minute cooldown that makes it a 40s cooldown with effective play
whatever that number has to be idk figure it out
haughty wigeon
take one thing out of rb then it spirals to people wanting other things taken out of rb
cinder relic
AR is 3 minutes with a 30 sec interval
haughty wigeon
how much effective cd is kir with proper play?
cinder relic
So KS would have to be like what, 4:30 baseline
lone spear
i think it would help make the gameplay consistent when you dont have true bearing
cinder relic
But thats lame
Outlaw is outlaw because of the moment to moment variance that exists
lone spear
i agree, but we already have everything else on it
i think having a proper CD is not the worst
vivid vessel
how much effective cd is kir with proper play?
45 i think
lone spear
then again i have and always will advocate for a CD as outlaw
playing feral and having convoke be like a huge nuke
makes me want it for law
lone spear
btw, how good is supercharger now that we arent playing sleight
is vigor gonna be better for the HO build again?
(obvs exact tuning aside, just rough idea based on this patch)
vivid vessel
btw, how good is supercharger now that we arent playing sleight
no idea honestly
craggy barn
i will feel craft that it would be fine still, since we get so much free haste wiht ilvl
giga feel crafting
vivid vessel
idk if slieght is strong enough on its own
sleight/sc i mean
and we are forced to roll on cd for 2 buffs still
which is kinda toxic
lone spear
hopefully it doesnt go back to the pile of never used talents
vivid vessel
or if we go loaded again
craggy barn
i hate rolling on cd
lone spear
down in the pits with blade rush and GSW
lyric bay
Soooo, new KS bad right?
lone spear
last day of this patch we need to just all post the shittiest KS deaths we've had
to reminisce
lyric bay
needs some tweaks
Soooo, it is bad, but since the old one was cowabunga, it is less trash. Got it
vapid sundial
What
lone spear
i mean, if you really hate channel abilities
vapid sundial
Where do you people come up with this shit
lone spear
then sure
prisma vapor
!trinkets
lone spear
it is subjective after all
vivid vessel
i mean, if you really hate channel abilities
i mean we are playing outlaw
vapid sundial
The only bad thing is the animation
vivid vessel
i doubt people playing outlaw likes channeling
vapid sundial
And rogue animations already suck
craggy barn
its only tolerable because u can move while channel
lone spear
i doubt people playing outlaw likes channeling
i think having a reprieve from the fast gameplay is fun, it never felt that way with old KS cause you were schmooving everywhere
pliant wind
atleast we can stop ks getting some combo points and have tricksters buffs anytime under the channeling
lone spear
i think they wont want us to be doing that
lone spear
so will get buffed/increased duration to compensate
vapid sundial
Good
fathom bramble
good
vapid sundial
Combat is dogshit
lone spear
the change in ks is a huge removal of old combat rogue
dont remind me, i gotta play combat in mop classic, and killing spree is still there
craggy barn
lol
vapid sundial
If u honestly look at combat and think that's peak u may as well play ff
craggy barn
peak melee autos #1 damage
tacit bluff
i think having a reprieve from the fast gameplay is fun, it never felt that way ...
But, gotta go fast all the time ^^
That’s the fun of it hehe
craggy barn
new ks will be good for running through old content
fading hatch
You are playing the highest apm spec in the history of the game. Use the long channel to do some hand stretches. Add years to your gaming life
lone spear
go fatebound + ks for four grapples while shooting around everywhere
thats gonna look so cool imma do it rn on ptr
violet swan
wow, it was yesterday I was talking to friends and we were discussing the KS , and the way it could be reworked...
vapid sundial
You are playing the highest apm spec in the history of the game. Use the long ch...
Nu uh
fading hatch
It is not
lone spear
without changes, it will be for next patch (assuming we dont cancel KS)
fading hatch
(I dont know i am spreading misinformation so i am right)
lone spear
but yea i think ~40ish second killing spree will be like a fun reward, like how you look forward to KiR coming back up
vapid sundial
Hm.
lone spear
hopefully its made that way
vivid vessel
i think having a reprieve from the fast gameplay is fun, it never felt that way ...
im not sure i want to be CASTING as the fastest spec in the game tho
craggy barn
even fire mages dont want to be casting
torpid fiber
i think the fact that we can move during new ks makes it only kinda a cast
tacit bluff
Make it be a fake channel, where you can keep casting spells. Our animations are already scuffed as it is 😂
vivid vessel
i think the fact that we can move during new ks makes it only kinda a cast
eh
its still a moment you go afk
torpid fiber
yeyeye
vivid vessel
its ok if its quick i think
torpid fiber
that's the kinda part
vivid vessel
but rn its wayyyy too long
lone spear
i wanna say 2
fathom bramble
2
stiff hawk
I CANT CHANNEL
cinder relic
It scaled with haste too
cinder relic
I like that ks puts a small brake on the rotation but it probably shouldn't be longer than current ks as is
stiff hawk
I mean it does dmg, plus is a Builder
vapid sundial
Fire hot
lone spear
wym, in my raid it was always 30sec cd
hidden bay
Current ks puts a break until CR comes through 
lone spear
if not always up
vapid sundial
I remember in keys we would always just go 'thank you for resetting my grief torch'
hidden bay
Best of times man
vapid sundial
It's like you die
hidden bay
Best trinket ever made
vapid sundial
And you know it's coming
rocky karma
I remember in keys we would always just go 'thank you for resetting my grief tor...
happened so often there were weakauras to automate it even
prisma vapor
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vapid sundial
Shits burned into memory
stiff hawk
Where @desert tendon , me and another guy did field tests in Academy
red zinc
ill have you know i provided the correct suggestion
this macro belt thing might work actually
would make it so you can swap mid key
vivid vessel
would make it so you can swap mid key
!
craggy barn
do i fucking have to spam this shit
red zinc
Ye so you would use charged crystal on packs and bolt on bosses and just put the swap in your weapon swap macro
vivid vessel
my team has been working tirelessly
red zinc
The person I asked was a bit busy
Been looking at it myself
Idk man it really should work but cant figure out the exact input
quick grove
Any clever people have any clue how the new KS will affect our APM? Obviously lower, but not sure how much
craggy barn
instead of 82, 80
quick grove
Oh cool, expected a bigger drop
torpid fiber
we don't actually know yet
quick grove
I dont see how its relevant either
Pure curiosity 🙂
torpid fiber
also yeah, it won't make the spec slower most of the time it just makes a period where you have a break
craggy barn
it wont be a drastic apm hit
cinder relic
The apm in the moment to moment is identical. It might be lower over an encounter because u spend more time in ks
torpid fiber
use KS cast to get water or complain about target caps or w/e
red zinc
Coup still gcd locks you for slightly longer as far as I know
stiff hawk
TRUE
vivid vessel
Coup still gcd locks you for slightly longer as far as I know
ye
stiff hawk
NOT MY APM
vivid vessel
ye 💀
craggy barn
big
red zinc
more apm but 50% of the aoe
craggy barn
fb gaming
red zinc
torpid fiber
100 apm is what, 25 ogcds/m
vivid vessel
ok honestly i hope they managed to make fb raid thing
and trickst m+
cause thats kinda waht these changes are doing
and idm that
vivid vessel
hm
vivid vessel
i didnt see shit
craggy barn
idk last boss u wont play outlaw
vivid vessel
how did you see
red zinc
dungeon journal
vivid vessel
ah
vale warren
You are playing the highest apm spec in the history of the game. Use the long ch...
Wasn't glad warrior like 100 apm
craggy barn
dragon ride into feet worship
she be powerful, all 4 old gods had to team up to stop her
desert tendon
Where <@455252099450798081> , me and another guy did field tests in Academy
hello it s me
stiff hawk
Hello Censiqt
stiff glade
gm brothers 
tranquil hemlock
crazy stuff
fair tundra
tranquil hemlock
lilac olive
hey everyone, how good is Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel for mm+? i got Hero track Gallywix's Iron Thumb
should i take it for off hand and craft an main hand? or playing Galywix Hero and Curseblade? its new character i created it yesterday
west dirge
craft something for main hand (the best is to have some high ilvl on main hand, the highest u can get) and then you will use nightfall curseblade’s cudgel in m+ on trash and the best is to swap that cudgel with something else for bosses (something higher ilvl) but it can’t be galywix thumb because this weapon you can’t swap in keys
wintry solar
I mean for KS
patent mirage
I know
wintry solar
patent mirage
I'm just saying it's an idea that can be adjusted
compact smelt
its good that ks is getting attention though i'm sure they will revisit and adjust
lone spear
i think its the auto attack animation still going during the channel
that makes it look chaotic
the gunshot sections look cool
lone spear
ok its not the auto attacks, cause when im out of AA range its still doing something weird
wintry solar
I cant believe blizz listened to the LoL freaks
thats actually on par with blizz tbh
red zinc
Its main gauche
wintry solar
main gooch
wintry solar
ok its not the auto attacks, cause when im out of AA range its still doing somet...
main goochie it looks like
lone spear
I cant believe blizz listened to the LoL freaks
i mean, reaper also exists
wintry solar
so?
lone spear
and the way it targets random enemies, they probably want it to spin around like reaper ult
wait it does spin around
ok its sick idc what people say
fix the main gauche animation cancelling and its peak
wintry solar
yeah its dumb
lone spear
i think its interesting
though i would prefer pressing GS less rather than more
or maybe making it cost less
as part of the set as well
(or just baseline)
lone spear
i was playing it as KIR and it felt like it does on live
pretty good, but sometimes you have that period of starved
wintry solar
hot take but I dont like infinite energy all the time
lone spear
energy (for outlaw at least) should be an indicator of good play
if you're playing well, energy should never be a concern
if you aren't, then you will have problems
tropic zephyr
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lone spear
its weird that main gauche is even triggering cause its meant to be off main hand attacks
tropic zephyr
lone spear
im guessing its a bug with old KS
wintry solar
I wonder how many times I have to see something before I start liking it
lone spear
it depends per person
people hated (and some still do) the change from combat to outlaw
wintry solar
bro points his gun at his face and shoots the person behind me
civic void
its weird that main gauche is even triggering cause its meant to be off main han...
Afaik ks alternates mh and oh hits
civic void
I guess so ye
wintry solar
killing spree needs anew icon
stiff glade
Afaik ks alternates mh and oh hits
Pretty sure every attack is both weaps
Doesn't make much sense for a pistol though
civic void
I don't really know but you are probably right, all I know is that it's normal to have oh hits during it
dapper herald
how many more times is killing spree going to be reworked bro
lone spear
i mean with an animation fix it would be nice if KS still procced MG
because moar energy
civic void
how many more times is killing spree going to be reworked bro
less than sp that's for sure
dapper herald
they have no idea how to make this spell not bad
wish they could let you cancel it if something bad happens
lone spear
uh...you can
dapper herald
fr?
lone spear
yuh
civic void
well yeah it's a channel
wintry solar
how many more times is killing spree going to be reworked bro
its only been reworked twice
lone spear
you can also grapple and cloak/feint in it
toxic umbra
But can’t kick?
lone spear
checking
tropic zephyr
I love killing spree!
lone spear
okay cant kick
toxic umbra
Yeah we should be able to kick during it, I hope they change that
lone spear
would be nice, even if its just a trickster thing
like how slayer gets kick during BS
toxic umbra
Fwiw warrior can also throw out a storm bolt during bladestorm
vivid vessel
It's just annoying to not be able to kidney or blind cause you are damaging
Ah they can
Well
Ok then
lone spear
make it happen blizz, gib to us
wintry solar
I thought it was 20
lone spear
oh u mean SB?
vivid vessel
isnt it weird how they made it a lower range
lone spear
stormbolt*
lone spear
it wouldve been nice (and thematic) to have it be longer range, but realistically we always wanna be in the thick of it anyway
vivid vessel
how are you going to go from a melee atack to a ranged attack but reduce its range
vivid vessel
it wouldve been nice (and thematic) to have it be longer range, but realisticall...
ye it doesnt matter
just weird
vale warren
Should have the same range and ps/bte
vivid vessel
also i think it hitting random targtes is terrible btw
and we dont talk enough about that
lone spear
i think if they arent going to change base outlaw to not feel ass without ADR, we have to have insane ADR uptime
wintry solar
something is canceling KS
civic void
are you fatebound ?
wintry solar
yeah something fucky with that
civic void
then it's tail proccing
wintry solar
youre shitting me
wintry solar
KS restoring combo points is really cool
the gameplay I love
but that animation is just too goofy to take serious
novel timber
where can we see the animation?
wintry solar
that sucks
that does sound familiar though
the smoke trails from the bullets are so visible
worldly shale
i hope god this isnt the final look of the tierset
wintry solar
even on human it doesnt look good
rustic lotus
That actually doesn’t look too bad on undead
wintry solar
the duality of man
rustic lotus
Usually everything looks like shit on undead but that ain’t too shabby
The tier set as a whole tho feels like a baller concept but somewhere between drawing board 1 and 3 it got mucked up
vale warren
where can we see the animation?
worldly shale
The tier set as a whole tho feels like a baller concept but somewhere between dr...
it looks like a wod tierset
thats the problem
looks 15 years old
rustic lotus
it looks like a wod tierset
Yah that’s what I’m saying there’s like some weird disconnect. Like there were too many cooks in the kitchen in this tierset
hardy wigeon
rustic lotus
😭 I dislike thistle tea so goddamn much:(
wintry solar
why?
dim widget
For any ptr gamers, does the new KS deal damage in a cone in front of player model or circle around player model?
rustic lotus
Bad memories as a 12 year old kid farming the herbs just to get bitched out by 30 y/os back in vanilla for bein a shitty squeaker
And not using it properly
lone spear
For any ptr gamers, does the new KS deal damage in a cone in front of player mod...
its a circle around
dim widget
Okay
lone spear
if you position yourself in the middle of targets
lone spear
u can see the shots spinning to the different people
dim widget
Either give us reaper demon simulator or make it deal damage in cone
But anim being cone and damage being circle wth
That's just counterintuitive
lone spear
it will likely improve
rustic lotus
I mean yah the reaper Christian bale gun kata thing is what it’s supposed to simulate
dim widget
Hopefully ye
lone spear
just give feedback on ptr to make sure 👍
dim widget
I will
worldly shale
ye right
lone spear
some guns are huge tho, would look funny af