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#outlaw
gaunt phoenix
gaunt phoenix
nice
main shadow
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
gaunt phoenix
Mmmm yes...
gaunt phoenix
cedar kernel
granite merlin
Does outlaw still use KS in season 3 can I finally come back to outlaw without getting motion sickness?
frank finch
he doesnt know
latent belfry
Fuck yes man, I feel like my wishes have been answered
granite merlin
Get the hell out are you serious?!?!?
gaunt phoenix
daring yoke
Is the new killing spree able to be interrupted by other skills?
gaunt phoenix
yes
granite merlin
Oh my god
gaunt phoenix
it's a channel
latent belfry
GOD SMILES APON US FRIENDS. REJOICE
granite merlin
I can finally come home
frank finch
you can interupt it urself
granite merlin
I’m so happy.
gaunt phoenix
i think we will cancel it at 7cp with a finisher
glass mortar
im down for that
daring yoke
Will it interrupt if i cloack/feint or kick?
gaunt phoenix
yes :x
fossil lintel
Yeah that's what I thought as well
fossil lintel
Not worth channeling if you don't get the cp
frank finch
u think we gonna double coup like b4 or build and coup since we have so much time now?
daring yoke
Nice i have reasons not to kick then 
latent belfry
Will it interrupt if i cloack/feint or kick?
Might be kinda bad, idk about anyone else but I instinctively hit feint a lot
gaunt phoenix
u think we gonna double coup like b4 or build and coup since we have so much tim...
i think we will double coup if you will waste EB stacks
but otherwise build
the 2nd coup will munch your current EB stacks whatever they are
i think
fossil lintel
Solo have you tried trickster on there? How is it feeling without the rtb tier?
fossil lintel
Oh, trickster as well?
gaunt phoenix
yer
fossil lintel
Why?
cedar kernel
we cant do Coup - SS - Coup
solo is right
fossil lintel
Double coup that good?
cedar kernel
will make unseenblade overcap
gaunt phoenix
double coup is alot of cdr and you coup more cause 2pc
and ks gives cdr
from cp refill
fossil lintel
I don't mind too much cdr 😂
gaunt phoenix
lol
fossil lintel
Better than not enough cdr
thorny reef
is HO still the play or you think kir will be good with all that cdr
glass mortar
is it tho
gaunt phoenix
no clue if HO supercharger dies off without tier
glass mortar
it clashes pretty hard with vanish
fossil lintel
Getting shit rolls and seeing the spec slow down to a crawl and dropping AR for it
glacial stream
Kir gonna be very very good with new tier. Can probably just keep 6 roll going
cedar kernel
i am wondering about Vanish a bit, like with such CDR does the crackshot - vanish builds make less important
and i feeling like KS is off CD so fast
shut lichen
gaunt phoenix
it's not bad enough to remove crackshot
covert kestrel
is HO still the play or you think kir will be good with all that cdr
Wdym KiR is goated rn
fossil lintel
Playing on the PTR what is feeling better to play, trickster or FB?
cedar kernel
if its possible
gaunt phoenix
Trickster with fixed ks and double coup definitely feels nice
hybrid crown
just looking at the tier set bonuses im guessing they will both have their uses
cedar kernel
hmm i want to try something like this if its possible
hybrid crown
fatebound looks like it might do well on pure ST right
gaunt phoenix
yeah prob
gaunt phoenix
KIR fatebound might go hard on st
covert kestrel
Truth
fossil lintel
I think there's a very small chance he didn't make a new account and is lurking here
fossil lintel
And is seeing us meme about it and deteriorating further
gaunt phoenix
CB wont buff all GSW hits
covert kestrel
I think there's a very small chance he didn't make a new account and is lurking ...
Idk if he would know how to log out and create a new account
fossil lintel
SL outlaw with gsw was so nice to play
frank finch
it should buff all of ks tho
glass mortar
CB wont buff all GSW hits
well wdym GSW only effects the first shot anyway
so does CB right
xd
gaunt phoenix
ye true
glass mortar
or u just mean u proc gsw more often
gsw could effect all the shots
might make it competative
do we care tho
gaunt phoenix
I was pretending gsw affected 3 hits
glass mortar
boring af talent
thorny reef
it would be nice if they made it where you didnt have to play the vanish / bte setup and just go like old combat
glass mortar
do u mean old outlaw or
no way they ever make a build so simple it plays like old combat
hybrid crown
make a tree branch out with one line of talents. BF has a 2 minute cd again
gaunt phoenix
I mean a non crackshot build being good would be nice
Would need to iterate on talent tree again
Which is a lot
glass mortar
ye
fossil lintel
Prob could drop ace without crackshot
They could just buff the shit out of gsw, would be nice
glass mortar
why tho
talent doesnt do anything
replace it
boring af
ghostly sucks to, it needs a rework
or just bin it
fossil lintel
It was fun in SL
glass mortar
was it tho
fossil lintel
Yes
gaunt phoenix
At the time
Gsw was cool guaranteed damage instead of a proc like blunderbuss
I liked the ps crits
bright crane
Blunderbussy
proven ocean
mage tower is so funny with current gear
i killed the 1st guy on sub rogue in 20 seconds
glass mortar
yea i just dont see bigger number pop up on my ability as fun for a capstone i guess
cedar kernel
nvm mates
glass mortar
it and ghostly at this point kinda do the same thing except it doesnt cost energy
cedar kernel
i even cant do 11.1 dmg in this build
glass mortar
its not like id hate it if it was good but if it was what would be the point of ghostly
cedar kernel
its shit
glass mortar
both effectively passive damage amps
frail veldt
Yeah but those have to exist
Not every talent can be a rotation altering event
Some of them are just flavor procs
glass mortar
sure but two of them as capstones?
glass mortar
in that case it should always be worse then the more active varient of it imo
how
neither is interesting
frail veldt
Gs feels bad to press
glass mortar
it just doesnt punish u by eating ur energy during bad times
frail veldt
Genuinely a negative rotation impact
glass mortar
xd yea ghostly sucks but gsw isnt any more interesting.
put kspree there since its a gun ability now
frail veldt
If GSW had a visual it'd be a fine capstone
glass mortar
daring oxide
double coup is alot of cdr and you coup more cause 2pc
Do you know if the extra free coup is still usable after escalating blades reset when using the first coup
gaunt phoenix
i dont quite understand
glass mortar
wdym
daring oxide
you consume all the escalating blades stacks
And for ( secs
5
You still have a free use of coup
daring oxide
And you can get more stacks of escalating blades during this window
glass mortar
u cannot build more
glass mortar
u cant build any while coup is available
fossil lintel
We hope it changes
daring oxide
Until you use the 2nd coup?
fossil lintel
But if not it's a low CP coup angle
gaunt phoenix
i think it is 4 > consume > consume again if any
daring oxide
I mean that’s gonna be the case
Yeah
So gonna be double coup then I guess
Which imo is dumb
fossil lintel
Unless you have a ps proc
unborn basin
August 12th feels so far away
fossil lintel
It's free cdr
daring oxide
Hmm
fossil lintel
Double coup bug?
daring oxide
I was hoping it’d be a bit more interesting
proven ocean
gaunt phoenix
lmao
fossil lintel
What you talking about there solo?
gaunt phoenix
nothing my train of thought ended
fossil lintel
(I literally wasn't here from mid S1 to mid S2 so I may have missed it)
gaunt phoenix
double coup used to be a bug before it became tier
gaunt phoenix
you used to be able to send coup twice in a row
fossil lintel
If you sent on a critter first?
proven ocean
ngl double coup is funny, but i think every finisher counts as +5 combo points would be hilarious
gaunt phoenix
If you sent on a critter first?
no just any coup
proven ocean
i wonder what would happen if the critter bug existed with bladeflurry fix
gaunt phoenix
you could press it again and it went off twice
sullen narwhal
I have to try new ks
gaunt phoenix
during AR
sullen narwhal
Seems significantly better
fossil lintel
If we run supercharged it's we'll likely not want to supercharge ks
gaunt phoenix
i cant quite instantly tell i am channeling ks
haughty wigeon
its poggers
covert kestrel
the noise is too quiet tho
I need shotguns
craggy barn
make a weak aura that plays a song during ks 🙂
sullen narwhal
They actually went above and beyond with the cp refund
gaunt phoenix
plays reaper ult
sullen narwhal
Seems really nice
Ranged, im gonna guess no jumping around like a crazy person
And refund
glass mortar
only 8 yards
fossil lintel
I'll brb, need to download the reaper ultimate voice line to put on a WA
serene gate
covert kestrel
make a weak aura that plays a song during ks 🙂
fossil lintel
Problem is that the reaper ultimate voice line doesn't last nearly as long
covert kestrel
Reaper ult isn't 5secs?
craggy barn
the reaper ult audio is 3 seconds long
fossil lintel
Yeah and new KS is up to 4
craggy barn
its hasted tho
glass mortar
its 5s with no haste
craggy barn
did the numbers change already?
glass mortar
at max xd
fossil lintel
Yeah it's.5 per CP now
gaunt phoenix
it would be about 4s with supercharge
fossil lintel
So at supercharge 7 CP it's baseline 5s
craggy barn
ah forgot sc
fossil lintel
But we're likely going to cancel it after 3.5 since we would be at 7cp
gaunt phoenix
earlier than that cause we start at 1-2cp
fossil lintel
Ah true
glass mortar
if u had a 2 cp proc and broadside (does its gen scale with that?) ud cap like instantly lol
indigo token
gonna feel super clunky
fossil lintel
If the channel was like... A normal ass duration, sure. But it's 5 sec.
If I wanted to afk for 5 sec every 20 sec I would play sin
gaunt phoenix
dunno
cedar kernel
almost forgot it
abstract frost
is therre a reason why weapon swap doesnt work in mechagon?
glass mortar
how much more adr cdr is it getting
fossil lintel
is therre a reason why weapon swap doesnt work in mechagon?
It should, what weapon are you swapping?
gaunt phoenix
cant napkin fatebound tier
glass mortar
the chance at 1 buff is just way too high without tier set i feel like
glass mortar
if u had sleight and had to spam roll a bunch it would feel kinda shit
gaunt phoenix
cant swap gally weapon
cedar kernel
but SC balanced it
glass mortar
yes u cant swap gally weapon in combat or m+
cedar kernel
so we might need a sim to know
abstract frost
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Gallywix's Iron Thumb
wtf
crazy
xD
glass mortar
its uniquely unswappable
buoyant stratus
Mortiz what the heck
glass mortar
like fyrakk cantrips were
proven ocean
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Gallyw...
wtf now i equip 2 wepons at once
WTFFFFFFFFFF
fossil lintel
He's here to see the light, let him
buoyant stratus
Why does the bigger weapon slot notsimply eat the smaller one?
proven ocean
@abstract frost assa traitor confirmed
sullen narwhal
uuh, did they remove the stealth bar?
wild rivet
is new KS uncapped?
gaunt phoenix
no its just ST hits that flurry
gaunt phoenix
my bar is fine
buoyant stratus
<@703021057266679968> assa traitor confirmed
Yeah smh my head amiright zeross, known assa one trick
proven ocean
EWDSFGFWERGASEO;UIJGFSDGMKSRTIOGH;STJMRGOMGOMGOMGOGMG
OMGOMGOGMOGMOGMG
ITS TIME FOR BED GUYS OK
SHEEEEEEEEEESH
time for a time skip
ngl if u call sleep time skip it sounds alot cooler
u just skip 8 hours or 10
can't do that in games too
quite op or?!?
sullen narwhal
DO we use ks in stealth now due to the cp refund?
carmine verge
time skip low diffs clocks worldwide
frail veldt
the reaper ult audio is 3 seconds long
Isn't that perfect?
pliant wave
Just wait solo's message
frail veldt
It's 0.5s per cp hasted right?
gaunt phoenix
yer
edgy spindle
Just going to drop this here in case realz ends up reading this, since I saw he was here earlier
Outlaw is still unplayable in pvp after the CDR nerfs, please send help. I haven't touched this spec in months and it makes me sad. This is the first time I've quit outlaw in the last 4 years I've been playing it.
New Killing Spree seems neat but we're probably still doomed in pvp unless something big changes for us
strong wraith
Yo, is the new animation kinda poo or is it me. Feel like I’m sideways firing flintlock pistols
frail veldt
DO we use ks in stealth now due to the cp refund?
Prob not
gaunt phoenix
perhaps the animation should override main gauche
strong wraith
perhaps the animation should override main gauche
How’re you liking the change
Better?
mild vigil
I just can't believe it actually happened
I've been joking around for a month that 11.2 would have a KS rework
strong wraith
Nice
vapid blaze
does ks attack random enemies or main target on ptr?
gaunt phoenix
random
vapid blaze
does it do that on live too?
gaunt phoenix
nop
vapid blaze
hope they change that
carmine verge
right now it's a literal spray'n'pray
glass mortar
its just worse then firing at ur primary target in every single way
but its not like the end of the world
vapid blaze
idk randomly losing prio damage from having extra mobs is just worse
frail veldt
Yeah I agree
cinder relic
perhaps the animation should override main gauche
I kinda like how it looks
glass mortar
ability is just destined to be worse for flavor ig
this worse is way less worse then live xd
frail veldt
Well it's def better than teleporting around hahaa
torpid fiber
its just worse then firing at ur primary target in every single way
way cooler vibes though
frail veldt
This was one of the main suggestions anyway from people
glass mortar
idk the mg procs clip the pistol shots so they look like they get cancelled its a bit awk
vapid blaze
well its an upgrade but i think its just gameplay wise bad to lose st just cause there are more mobs there
frail veldt
idk the mg procs clip the pistol shots so they look like they get cancelled its ...
Yeah prob should override it
cinder relic
Honestly the important part is that they need to give ks a new icon now
vapid blaze
the talent we play instead of loaded is dead withoutt buffs/tset tho right
late swallow
I’m just pumped for giga ST kir FB
cinder relic
They might bounce back and forth design wise of tier sets which end up being better
Both sets give cdr or ar uptime so
covert kestrel
I’m just pumped for giga ST kir FB
I fucking love coins
cinder relic
Ld good
vapid blaze
yeah and the extra 5buff synergizes well with current tset so
nomore perma rolling 😦
late swallow
I fucking love coins
The shekel rabbi schmueli spec
covert kestrel
The shekel rabbi schmueli spec
torpid fiber
Does the new fb set give us guaranteed 7 stack proc or is it going to be "some pull you just have 0 dps"
torpid fiber
yeah I just cba to calculate if that guarantees the 7
cinder relic
Effectively
gaunt phoenix
No on pull you GS AR BTE which is 6
late swallow
GS uptime will be crazy with the tier
glass mortar
now if they just fix the lucky coin bug
torpid fiber
in a shocking twist, fixing KS made outlaw players incredibly happy
torpid fiber
idc yet if new ks feels weird as a cast in ol rotation, it's so fucking cool flavourfully
late swallow
I remember we were memeing on empower/channelled spells for outlaw
cinder relic
And potentially less of a channel
torpid fiber
I don't want empower but that's just because I think it plays clunkily
cinder relic
It plays like fists of fury
sullen narwhal
The channel is very long
cinder relic
It's 1 sec longer than ks IIRC
glass mortar
ok but someone cooked hard with FDK
sullen narwhal
Too long for outlaw, but overall it's a lot better
cedar kernel
the overall of this trinket is insane
cinder relic
ok but someone cooked hard with FDK
Every dk player I have talked to hates the spec now 
glass mortar
yea i mean it looks like it could be a colossal miss or amazing
late swallow
ok but someone cooked hard with FDK
Banger frost changes?
torpid fiber
It plays like fists of fury
we can grapple during ks right though? can monk use mobi during fof?
haughty wigeon
And potentially less of a channel
I didn’t see this part
lime lake
same with uhdk actually
sullen narwhal
I tried frost dk, lots of good ideas, but the overall result is pretty mediocre
late swallow
Uhdk playstyle this tier was horrible
late swallow
Anything is better
cinder relic
we can grapple during ks right though? can monk use mobi during fof?
U can't with fof channeling no
glass mortar
well realz said thats a potential but the current changes do not have that
it has the same cd as current ks
so ur just afk even more
altho theres a good chance we cancel it early based on cp with the current version
cant really tell till sims
sullen narwhal
The main difference is that for ww monk the pretty long channel has an actual purpose
WHile for outlaw it just makes it so you don't wanna use ks in stealth
frail veldt
longer is a bit criminal
I think the length is only so bad because of the movement
cinder relic
I like the spec has a break in its rotation 
frail veldt
A small lull in rotation isn't a bad thing necessarily if it doesn't fucking kill you
torpid fiber
U can't with fof channeling no
yeah I think the fact that we can use some movement during KS is going to be so huge
glass mortar
i really dont feel that way at all
feels very very jarring whenever i press the ability and dont have lust haste
like hitting a wall in the rotation
idk why id want to afk for 3-4s randomly on the highest apm spec
frail veldt
I think it helps with recovering from bad energy rng due to fatal flourish
glass mortar
but theres some room for design here
would be cool if canceling it early was optimal
frail veldt
Its not that long
frail veldt
It's 0.5 per cp hasted
cinder relic
Ew
frail veldt
It's like 2 seconds
cinder relic
If canceling it is correct it needs to be retuned where u always full channel
torpid fiber
I wonder if there will ever be a point where we can cut energy regen talents bc of how long ks let's us regen for
haughty wigeon
Ya cancel memes shouldn’t be baseline in any spec tbh
frail veldt
I wonder if there will ever be a point where we can cut energy regen talents bc ...
I feel like we have so few already
haughty wigeon
Especially if they’re touting about releasing specs without weakaura reliance
torpid fiber
I think cancelling is cool as a thing where you can do it if you'd be fucked otherwise but it isn't good gameplay
haughty wigeon
Having to cancel would need a tracker to find optimal cancel
frail veldt
The ability to cancel is fine
glass mortar
not if its cancel after the gcd
late swallow
Canceling is shit gameplay imo
Like cancelling your subscription?
frail veldt
But canceling for DPS gain sucks ass
glass mortar
which it probably would be
frail veldt
That feels like an accident
civic zephyr
any rogue name recommendations?
frail veldt
Yeah tbh
wintry solar
I remember we were memeing on empower/channelled spells for outlaw
fdk got one too
cinder relic
Change the damage
frail veldt
25s CD is absurd
cinder relic
Well it's baseline 2 and then trickster lowers it by 30
haughty wigeon
Make channel lower
Or alternative
Haste better
To entice stacking to make ks lower channel
frail veldt
Well it's baseline 2 and then trickster lowers it by 30
Yeah I just mean effective cd of like 25s is ridiculous
indigo token
the gameplay of having to cancel ur channel is very cringe imo
make it 0.4s per cp
or smth
glass mortar
id prefer it to afking xd
but we'll see where it ends up
its gunna overcap hella cp when u get cp refunds + broadsides up
frail veldt
Waiting one gcd is far from afking
But yeah I imagine the cp refund value will mean we might cancel as we hit finish condition
frail veldt
Brother
glass mortar
its 5 but i didnt count ur normal gcd
frail veldt
0.5s per cp UNHASTED
frail veldt
Did I read it wrong
indigo token
in the effort to remove reliance on wa's they added a new one (CANCEL KS ALARM)
glass mortar
i was already assuming 25% haste
hence 4s
which is 5 gcds
4 if u dont count ur normal one
frail veldt
Now a channeled ability with 0.5 second duration per combo point spent, reduced by Haste (was 0.3 seconds).
7*0.5=3.5
glass mortar
10 cp 0.5s per cp
frail veldt
Then hasted
glass mortar
its pretty damn often tho
random stirrup
its pretty damn often tho
probably not when we are going back to ld most likely
frail veldt
Yep
glass mortar
1 gcd
frail veldt
Well two
glass mortar
ur afk for 3 whole abilities or 4
frail veldt
Cuz every ability is one gcd
frail veldt
Ehy is it 4
glass mortar
3.2s duration? 0.8s gcd?
frail veldt
A 6cp KS with 25% haste would be 3s - 25%
frail veldt
So literally like two gcds
glass mortar
sure occasionaly there will be shorter ones and occasionaly longer, im pretty sure the average cp we spend on kspree is closer to 7 then 5 tho
yea 2 gcds occasionaly
frail veldt
HARDLY "going afk"
glass mortar
its awful
frail veldt
And can lead to less lost gcds from energy
glass mortar
current kspree already costs too much time
i hate it
for more then just the teleports
this is longer
ur not selling me on it
xd
should be the same at most
frail veldt
It's barely longer
indigo token
we found it
glass mortar
current kspree is more then enough afk time
indigo token
the one guy defending regular kS
glass mortar
???
frail veldt
This is less afk time
glass mortar
did i just defend regular ks
glass mortar
current kspree already costs too much time
me defending ks btw
indigo token
arent you saying the new one isnt better
glass mortar
im saying this aspect of the new one isnt better
frail veldt
He'd rather floor pov
glass mortar
frail veldt
It's infinitely better
glass mortar
u know that u can give feedback about an ability
even if its better then what u have
frail veldt
Being dead is INFINITELY worse than a small afk
glass mortar
doesnt mean u need to acept stuff that doesnt seem necessary
hollow temple
bright crane
Mew are you telling us we’re about to be haste enjoyers?
glass mortar
yea i have definitly said a single time in here today that id rather have current kspree
lime lake
always were
frail veldt
Mew are you telling us we’re about to be haste enjoyers?
Not at all
late swallow
hollow temple
ryu was a pumped up kicks kid
wintry solar
KS rework is cool
buuuuuuuuuut
where stealthless bild?
for my stealthless pistol shot
timber knoll
Buff GSW
bright crane
Ryu the visionary
haughty wigeon
doesnt mean u need to acept stuff that doesnt seem necessary
I mean I’ve stated this before
bright crane
Or maybe… Ryu the shareholder?
glass mortar
i mean unless the damage buff outweighs the increase in cast time the DPET doesnt increase
so it wont really impact hastes value for it at all
for anything but memes
and it currently is not ur highest DPET spell so
if ur CP capped and u have BtE available with RP up
im not sure why you wouldnt cancel it
haughty wigeon
No one is gonna be 100% happy about things outlaw always finds a way to complain about a good thing
New killing spree is leagues better than old killing spree in every aspect including visual
The issue rn is the hasted duration for its cd on a fast pace spec
glass mortar
ud probably cancel ks on live if u could
haughty wigeon
That being said
glass mortar
something they need to work out
haughty wigeon
It’s literally day one of ptr
When feedback forum appears
Post your feedback saying it’s too long make shorter and make cd longer
So it can be a endpoint of outlaw rotationally instead of something that happens every 25 seconds
Gg
vapid blaze
if you cancel it sometimes but not always
i think its good
lime lake
ping realz and screech like a howler monkey in heat
vapid blaze
abit of depth xD
haughty wigeon
I’m not saying don’t complain here btw cause god the lawyerism I have to do here
torpid fiber
As often as outlaw players are very combative with the devs I very much appreciate the work the devs have put into this spec over the years
glass mortar
well if u make it a longer cd the longer cast time is less bad... it still feels bad tho
and u probably needto buff tricksters gen
altho with tier set maybe not
haughty wigeon
But like constant dooming towards a solution for a huge problem that plagues us for literal years
Just ends up feeling counter productive and gives the impression that no one is allowed to be happy
vapid blaze
and u probably needto buff tricksters gen
dont u get alot of killingspree now
snow hill
I like the spec has a break in its rotation <:garf:1320173032743899157>
This is true. I been screwing around with Sub lately for a break and all I can think is:
"This is just Outlaw but without pistols and some down time."
It aint a bad feeling honestly. But instead of taking away our guns, we get MORE guns AND not as much cancer... um, Downtime outside of cds.
I think I just fell in love with Outlaw all over again.
glass mortar
dont u get alot of killingspree now
yes we are taking about if they nerf kspree cd
vapid blaze
cause you have alot less cd on killingspree vs fatebound
haughty wigeon
It’s not just u weran btw I’m not targeting anyone in specific either, it just the frequency of “but direction cast time” while everyone is celebrating the fact they don’t have to die or suffer from vertigo every 20 seconds is just exhausting
glass mortar
i mean people cant seperate criticism from dooming
vapid blaze
you still get the double coup cdr
glass mortar
nobody is unhappy with replacing current kspree
but this solution isnt as amazing as it could be
so go give feedback
👍
haughty wigeon
Yep I agree
vapid blaze
i think its good
indigo token
This is true. I been screwing around with Sub lately for a break and all I can t...
KS is this gif now
its so good
haughty wigeon
Frankly the fact killing spree was changed from its og form to this
Is such a success
I don’t think it’s understood how much of a step in the right direction this is
Considering the history of the ability
vapid blaze
i thought ks should give more cdr / combo point than normal spells
indigo token
its absolutely a theming and flavor success
haughty wigeon
Where it had a spot when the game was a lot slower and forgiving with swirls to now
vapid blaze
but thats just too much cdr
indigo token
I just think that if its to be such a long channel more should be added to it
wintry solar
delete KS people in shambles rn
indigo token
because the gameplay of cancelling channels isnt fun
maybe make the overflow combo points super charge
or smth
haughty wigeon
Odds are the cast time will be reduced
vapid blaze
maybe just making it faster would alrdy be good
haughty wigeon
I have no doubt in my mind that it will be shorter when patch comes out in August???
indigo token
yeah thats the easiest
wintry solar
there are probably more spec changes we dont know about tbh
glass mortar
probably all u need to do to make it not wanna be cancelled is decrease its cast time or buff its damage more
wintry solar
other than the minor qol of whatever
glass mortar
the problem is just if its not ur highest DPET spell and ur at CP cap why wouldnt u cancel it
flint schooner
Am i tripping or is the trickster coup de grace being able to re use it the bug they fixed?
glass mortar
u get no benifit from finishing the cast
vapid blaze
probably all u need to do to make it not wanna be cancelled is decrease its cast...
they could reduce the cast times to 0.3s
and then just making it refund all cp spent after it finishes
glass mortar
WW has a thing where they get a benifit when they finish FoF
vapid blaze
so its duration wise like now
but you just get the CP back after it finishes
glass mortar
the problem with this is the benifit is cp but ur probably gunna overcap cp halfway thru the channel
if u have broadsides, unless they make it not scale with that
frank finch
wintry solar
Am i tripping or is the trickster coup de grace being able to re use it the bug ...
we can build back up to use it again
this time
its the bug but better
indigo token
fossil lintel
just trying out trickster on a dummy in ptr with aoe build (swapped to loaded dice), got 97% uptime on AR
indigo token
i dont play dh so i dont care
glass mortar
Am i tripping or is the trickster coup de grace being able to re use it the bug ...
yes they made the bug a set bonus
fossil lintel
I can see what solo was talking about, it's hard to get through everything you need to vanish
flint schooner
I thought so guess they went hmm thats cool we can integrate that
wintry solar
yeah im a huge fan and will only play that all season
flint schooner
It felt good now its lost that something
old gull
Shadow getting another rework. How many is that now?
flint schooner
They will probably make the raid favour sin passive st cleave
haughty wigeon
Shadow getting another rework. How many is that now?
Each one sucks more than the last
Hardly something I would be jelly off
haughty wigeon
Ai
wintry solar
It felt good now its lost that something
it was fun in the same way weed is more fun when its illegal
hollow temple
l0l
flint schooner
Yep the forbidden fruit makes sense
haughty wigeon
Hinting towards a third dh spec
haughty wigeon
Yes
hollow temple
in general
haughty wigeon
Gib second
sudden fulcrum
i'm sure they are
wintry solar
is blizz really okay with almost 100% adr uptime?
glass mortar
dont think thats real
the spec positioning doesnt make sense
they are either alphabetical or it would be at the end of the list like aug (since it was added later)
hollow temple
supposedly this is AI
frank finch
lime lake
the random comma is what gets me
random stirrup
i mean from what we've seen so far the third dh spec seems very likely
hollow temple
i mean from what we've seen so far the third dh spec seems very likely
ye i wouldn't doubt that we're getting a 3rd dh spec
wouldn't doubt it at all
random stirrup
dh council fight with a 3rd demon hunter while each of the other 2 are themed around a current dh spec, datamined player ability icon of a void themed meta
hollow temple
but that ss looks fake
haughty wigeon
Also dmd u trickz
random stirrup
oh ya the ss is fake
hollow temple
also a dh spec with no glaives? lol?
random stirrup
the boss in the raid that started the speculation literally has void warglaives 💀
lime lake
also a dh spec with no glaives? lol?
theres a dh npc in legion that uses a 2h scythe
sudden fulcrum
dh council fight with a 3rd demon hunter while each of the other 2 are themed ar...
it would be actually sick if they turn into some kinda void monster
lime lake
but yeah i think this is fake anyway
haughty wigeon
The biggest evidence of void dh third spec
bright crane
This real?
late swallow
holy based
haughty wigeon
Is the skin file model
hollow temple
This real?
nah
haughty wigeon
They added for meta
bright crane
Tricky sob
haughty wigeon
hollow temple
how so
haughty wigeon
Lod01 files is for the playable specs
covert kestrel
What if we made demon hunters black
- Blizz prob
hollow temple
couldn't this just be 3 new skins?
haughty wigeon
couldn't this just be 3 new skins?
If it was new ncp skin it would have a different file type
hollow temple
lime lake
go on
haughty wigeon
No im breaking tos
haughty wigeon
I’m just saying the general gist of model stuff cause I dabbled on that stuff when bored
late swallow
it's 2025 and we still don't have a bulge/boob slider in character creation
gaunt phoenix
EDH
haughty wigeon
It’s funny
torpid fiber
honestly i think a new dh spec is pretty hype
wonder if there'll be other new specs or just the dh one
haughty wigeon
How diverse the mod community is
Cause we finally figured out how to add jiggle physics to the game cause of the tww crawl fish
And
haughty wigeon
hollow temple
i saw this one guy
haughty wigeon
Should I order Panda Express?
hollow temple
he was permanently using the black void wings from hunter
the dark ranger trails of black smoke that look like wings
so so sick to have those perma
hollow temple
should be a cosmetic but instead we get 18 more cloth cloaks 💀
hollow temple
That’s not a modding thing that’s a exploit thing
huh?
haughty wigeon
Cause mods are only visible to u
hollow temple
💀
haughty wigeon
Ohhhh
Ya there’s cool stuff u can do
Personally I upscaled a lot of old armors and weapons
haughty wigeon
That’s cool
hollow temple
sucks they're a fucking proc
haughty wigeon
Ya it would be nice to have it as cloak
That’s why I love panda lego cloak so much
indigo token
is blizz really okay with almost 100% adr uptime?
honestly that's fine with me? I enjoy the mental game of maximizing uptime on everything
though if push comes to shove just make it passive
wintry solar
I barely drop adr without ace
so
idk
maybe I'll expect chantges or something
or maybe theyre cool with it
fossil lintel
I tried this
Played it probably pretty badly
84% uptime on AR and pretty close to my ST damage on the regular crackshot build
indigo token
greenskins wickers???????
wintry solar
this was on a dummy yeah?
frank finch
aoe talents on st test?
fossil lintel
yeah
just trying shit out
dummy yes
honestly this kind of cranks ngl
probably 100% uptime on AR on AoE with deft
did a 4 min with 86% but the build feels pretty okay outside of AR as well
sudden flicker
is there a new killing spree animation?
sudden flicker
so u can move with it ?
sudden flicker
outlaw eating then
cinder oxide
guys can we get a tier set that doesnt look like shredder from tmnt for once pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
wintry solar
So are we mad or not
are you?
frank finch
84% uptime on AR and pretty close to my ST damage on the regular crackshot build
which means 100 % ar uptime non crackshot with fatebound
fossil lintel
maybe
trickster gets a shit ton of extra cps from double coup
let me give it a try
is there an opener to guarantee the coin?
frank finch
idk
fossil lintel
oh right i need to talent out of KS lol
frank finch
lime lake
crackshot deadge holy
wintry solar
totally healthy for the spec btw
fossil lintel
yep
wintry solar
youre still taking crackshot dw
fossil lintel
i wonder how far is fatebound from doing it stealthless
uncut ginkgo
that was fun
frank finch
im testing a non crackshot non sub and non with out a trace
wintry solar
youre still missing a lot of dmg from bte and ace
frank finch
also
wintry solar
unless youre just looking at adr uptime
frank finch
wondering how good ks is for fb
fossil lintel
no yeah only 77% uptime without stealth
wintry solar
"only 77%"
fossil lintel
with subterfuge it's 100%
wintry solar
im under the assumption more outlaw changesd are coming
past sky
are there any loot tables up yet? wondering if my bis weapons and trinkets are from the raid again
past sky
i hope its more like s1 where the good stuff wasnt on the last two bosses
wintry solar
also you don't need 2 charges of vanish, you just use it on cd
well
where would the other talent go?
goober
fossil lintel
lethality
fossil lintel
let me try to replay s1 of df
wintry solar
you can now
fossil lintel
wintry solar
if you like ho
fossil lintel
It's 1 extra cast of vanish per fight
no that is horrible jesus
i forgot how bad ho is
latent panther
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
latent panther
!macros
wintry solar
i forgot how bad ho is
why
fossil lintel
i was running out of energy
wintry solar
with that build?
fossil lintel
yep
wintry solar
cant imagine why >.>
vapid sundial
wintry solar
oh I see
random stirrup
the real uhuh loss is having to cast bf every 13s
fossil lintel
KIR no stealth has 0 energy problems unless it drops AR for a long time
lucid sandal
How it started vs. how it's going
vapid sundial
It is
I don't understand what they're conveying
Bc ks Nothing like Sam r animation wise
More like. Urgot
wintry solar
I wish league didnt exist
or people would stop infecting wow discords with its name
vapid sundial
I don't
lucid sandal
We had cannon barrage when spec came out now we have samira pew pew
lucid sandal
You do if you LOCK IN
sudden fulcrum
my brother plays LoL and he constantly yells and pounds his desk when he plays
seems like a cool game
vapid sundial
That's not league
That's your brother
Should get him checked out.
I love when people say league makes them angry and toxic
Like brother no
It's you.
sudden fulcrum
ya you right all the people that play league are well adjusted and happy people
vapid sundial
I am.
Everyone can get irritated when it comes to a competitive game.
a lot of people take it too far.
But blaming league is just wild.
Same shit happens on dota, worse, same in Cs and cod from my exp
sudden fulcrum
i never did do that
you're just assuming that is what i am implying by my comments
vapid sundial
Your comments heavily imply.
lucid sandal
Tbf League is like m+ except when you can't leave after the tank dies on pull for the 5th time if the others don't want you to
vapid sundial
You can't do that soon
lucid sandal
vapid sundial
Deserter tag incoming.
sudden fulcrum
Tbf League is like m+ except when you can't leave after the tank dies on pull fo...
there are some nice leaver changes coming to WoW
i can't wait
lucid sandal
Can't wait to be held hostage on both my favorite games now instead of just one
vapid sundial
I'll never forget the ragnaros dh tank in WCM dying on first pull and insta leaving group back in bfa
sudden fulcrum
well it does have a vote system
even if it's not perfect it's an improvement over what we have now, which is people leaving constantly
vapid sundial
Well you can report
If it isn't consensual
But
I think I will play some 12am league
Surely I won't match freaks
fossil lintel
trickster on ptr feels a lot better if you just cancel whenever you're full on cp
vapid sundial
I expect a few changes to still be made
I wouldn't really look too much until on live.
strong halo
Completely aware that I may suck, but I feel like in m+ I lag behind on bosses in single target is that normal?
Compared to most other classes
sudden fulcrum
if you want an objective answer, a log would be helpful
hidden bay
How it started vs. how it's going
so close, all we need is a 360 on the new ks
strong halo
Fair I just don’t know where outlaw stands in m+ single target vs other classes
vapid sundial
so close, all we need is a 360 on the new ks
I'd rather have us go emo and yell die! Die! Die!
hidden bay
samira fits into outlaw fantasy better than reaper anyway
hidden bay
outlaw no edgelord unfortunately, see sub for that fantasy
fossil lintel
I wouldn't really look too much until on live.
good to look so we can give feedback
lone spear
we're more miss fortune than samira rn
lime lake
mf ult is literally just hunter's barrage
hidden bay
Well whatever it ends up being by the end considering what ks is now its great change
hidden bay
Maybe i rerolled too quickly and have to reroll back
vapid sundial
And I don't care about outlaw animations anyway
lone spear
i like now that with KS giving back combo points
using KS > coup in priority feels right
before it was sometimes better to KS and send the low combo point coup
which sucked
hidden bay
Would be nice if ks sent out ubs if not at max
lone spear
closer to 80 but ye
hidden bay
Sprint is 100 no?
vapid sundial
With sprint active
lone spear
i think he means uptime
vapid sundial
No the %
hidden bay
Ooh