outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Or whatever

[civic void]

surely you meant samira or

[vivid vessel]

Like the dark one

We had

[vivid vessel]

Nop

Animation wise we feel quick and snappy

Like fiora

This new ks feels like graves

[keen belfry]

Fiora

[vivid vessel]

Slow ass

[keen belfry]

Bro plays leagues

[void canopy]

wait a second

[vivid vessel]

I don't play league bro

Everyone knows league

Tho

[late swallow]

Wouldn’t a less frequent KS, even with compensatory tuning to the ability, be a nerf technically? Less UB procs and less coups?

[vivid vessel]

Everyone played league

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[void canopy]

we are pseudo monks now?

[runic gulch]

you lot reckon they'll update the tooltip for it? seems a bit outdated now that its just shooting flintlocks

[vivid vessel]

You can't really do that realistically

I don't see how it would work

[fossil lintel]

haste is finally good

[vivid vessel]

What

[unkempt cypress]

bc of belt or ks rework?

[craggy barn]

what if longer cd, but u got a ub per cp spent

[void canopy]

Next in the prio list is: fix the mastery

[fossil lintel]

stack haste so you can get to pre-11.2 levels of downtime

[runic gulch]

or rather icon, not tooltip

[vivid vessel]

Press it at 1 cp only and use it as a generator

Thoughts

[red zinc]

im a fatebound believer rn

who cares about ks

[fathom bramble]

Yeah

[civic void]

be wary of the ryu treatment in 11.2 with the cooks

[woeful otter]

FB 4pc reduce AR 30cd looks useless

[fathom bramble]

I think it’s good as graves though

Fiora would be cool too regardless

[vivid vessel]

Yeee but

I like us as fiora

[fossil lintel]

if you press it at 1 it'll only generate 1 cp

[vivid vessel]

Well

Will it

2 with a bit of luck

[snow hill]

yeah thats sick I didn't notice it was shooting pistols until you mentioned that, thought it was just a front facing KS

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel 3.74m no raid buffs

22m envenoms btw

i think sin might be overtuned for M=

[vivid vessel]

It's not 1 cp per cp or

[proven ocean]

M+ *

[serene gate]

i'll say we're more like gp tbh

[proven ocean]

zac

22m envenom

no buffs

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[proven ocean]

imagine that spattering

[red zinc]

everyone will be doing trillion damage

doesnt mean that much yet

[serene gate]

wait what

[red zinc]

need comparative data

[vivid vessel]

Bro I don't even know what a envenom hits for o n live

Let alone a dispatch

Or whatever spell

[proven ocean]

tier set buffs darkest night dmg bonus by 50%

and shiv lasts 2 sec longer

and

[vivid vessel]

I have no idea about any numbers

[proven ocean]

shiv consumes a mark

[serene gate]

oh fack okok

[proven ocean]

so u cast ALOT of more darkest night envenoms

[vivid vessel]

This doesn't mean anything to me

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOL

[vivid vessel]

• this is outlaw channel

[cedar kernel]

uh may i ask which server is located in the west of NA

[ripe ibex]

cut that shit out ross we don’t fw sin here

[carmine verge]

sin hole is right over there ^

[ripe ibex]

[cedar kernel]

idky everytime i enter the donalgol i cant connect

[red zinc]

man i want to see the cloak

where is the datamine

its too many quests

[late swallow]

Lmao they made double coup bug a tierset

[proven ocean]

yea

[late swallow]

Thanks for confirming

[red zinc]

ross

[late swallow]

Honestly the fatebound tier for outlaw looks banger

[red zinc]

i hit lucky coin in like 20 seconds

theres a guaranteed lucky coin opener im sure

probably need cold blood

[indigo token]

gross

[late swallow]

100% AR uptime surely

[indigo token]

long opener for outlaw

[red zinc]

ar will become a builder

if it works as i think it does

deadass

[late swallow]

[next wedge]

KS changes when

[red zinc]

beacon is barack

[keen belfry]

how do i get WAs on ptr again

[red zinc]

the return of bacon

[red zinc]

can copy your folders over entirely

but usually bugged

[remote pecan]

just copy it from your retail interfaces folder, doesn't look like alot has changed, all my addons work

[brittle pelican]

Can we move during the new KS channel?

[red zinc]

ye

[mossy shell]

I'm back and I want to complain more about them ruining Killing Spree

[next wedge]

oh they changed KS on PTR?

[mossy shell]

HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US

[past falcon]

LMAO

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel xd

[mossy shell]

TWENTY YEARS

[glass mortar]

they r just

how is it when other specs stats r dogshit

[mossy shell]

TWENTY YEARS OF BEAUTIFUL CHAOS

[glass mortar]

they get fixed

[mossy shell]

AND THIS IS WHAT IT COMES TO

[glass mortar]

its so easy to fix too

[brittle pelican]

Siiiiiick blat blat blat

[mossy shell]

https://tenor.com/view/possum-opossum-mad-angry-gif-13439507

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaaaaa-cat-scream-cat-black-cat-scream-gif-21172009

[red zinc]

they should make a node that makes main gauche do an extra hit on its main target that doesnt cleave or something

[mossy shell]

I blame everyone who ever complained on the rogue forum

they are dead to me

[red zinc]

or apply a bleed

[mossy shell]

just like I was dead

[red zinc]

or whatever

[mossy shell]

to killing spree

[woeful otter]

when rework outlaw mastery

[red zinc]

ill get right on it sorry

[vivid vessel]

I hope mastery stays dogshit so I can keep being tanky in keys

That's litteraly outlaw niche

[rotund pulsar]

wait

[vivid vessel]

You are tanky

[rotund pulsar]

new killing spree looks

fun

:O

[vivid vessel]

Well it's too long

But it's alright

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

Cool animation

[late swallow]

Wox getting paid or what?

[proven ocean]

i wonder how bad outlaw will be without the 5 roll buff chance being high

[rotund pulsar]

just kinda assumed it was asme length as current ks

if it's loinger then

damn.

[vivid vessel]

Current ks is already long don't you think

This is longer

[radiant fiber]

Can someone show this animation in f KS?

[vivid vessel]

5s max vs 4 s max

[woeful otter]

look pin

[late swallow]

Check pins

[rotund pulsar]

i think current ks is p long but idrm the length , longer would be pushing it

maybe that ptr char just has no haste

[radiant fiber]

Thank you! Looks nice

[rotund pulsar]

[pliant wind]

that KS looks nice but... static i prefered jumping around but no camera moving nothing, like this new KS animation but jumping there

[late swallow]

Damn

[pliant wind]

It looks like an animation made by lazy people

[late swallow]

The thumbs down from guy

[proven ocean]

outlaw sucks balls

fix outlaw

[rotund pulsar]

bro what? it looks good

[proven ocean]

or dont @ me

[rotund pulsar]

you're blasting

[unborn basin]

I just got used to ks and die 80% less now

[late swallow]

@proven ocean

[pliant wind]

They are using animations that they normally use with our own skills like wtf

[bright crane]

What does that even mean

[pliant wind]

u re just doing pistol shot, dispatch but fast during ks

:/

[vivid vessel]

No that's just the default cast on tooltip

[cinder relic]

What did u want it to be

[vivid vessel]

It's normal

[cinder relic]

Outlaw pulling out a giant cannon to ride

[pliant wind]

Nah but the KS animation we have now but just no camera and dont spinning around, static camera but flashing

[slate plaza]

what is the outlaw bug ppl were getting banned for last tier

[strong cargo]

So we keep dying but we see it easier right ? 🙂

[granite quarry]

so u want to be locked in place for 2-4 seconds

[pliant wind]

emm, no? is the same as this one new animation

but just slashing like the ks do now

[civic void]

so you would rather see ambush than pistol shots

[strong cargo]

Lol no, new ks can move freely and use defensives during it, just a 20% slow

[rotund pulsar]

know what you're referring to but i do think that they did something better than that

[pliant wind]

yeah that too, i mean just the animation

[proper bear]

Roll the balls

[unborn basin]

that would have been a neat glyph

[pliant wind]

but seeing it better is not that bad imo, i like the "shotgun" explosions

[indigo token]

roll the bones but it's testicular torsion?

hmm

[hollow temple]

is game dead or something? literally 0 keys in tool (19-20s)

[strong cargo]

So now the last problems I see are the slow and the fact that you can't kick during it I guess

[indigo token]

wait what

[rotund pulsar]

you can't kick during most channels though

[crisp canopy]

but most channels you arent using every 20s lol

[covert kestrel]

we ww now boiz

[strong cargo]

Ye, so if I have to kick the next cast, i can't freely send a 5s lock and I have to hold it until my kick is done for example

[rotund pulsar]

fists of fury?

[indigo token]

[rotund pulsar]

i love just making shit up

it's so fun

!

[civic void]

You can always cancel your channel to kick

[vivid vessel]

Fof is way faster tbf

[strong cargo]

Seems unrealistic to me but maybe 🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

But it's also annoying

And it's monk

It's kinda their thing

[proven ocean]

zac

[glass mortar]

FoF is shorter then this

[proven ocean]

8m opener on sin btw with new trinkets and tier set

[vivid vessel]

Also can't you kick during fof or im crazy

[glass mortar]

by alot in the mostly played build

[proven ocean]

im afraid this season is a very heavy caster comp/stat scaling specs

[rotund pulsar]

i mean fair, just funny how people constantly lie to prove a point

[covert kestrel]

no

[mossy shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1289014322478972931/1379562585837277204/tww-killing-spree.gif

[rotund pulsar]

you can't kick during fof

[mossy shell]

this gif is now unusable

IT WAS SUCH A GOOD GIF

[stuck sparrow]

You can kick during bladestorm

because, reasons

and stun

[rotund pulsar]

bladestorm is longer than ks

by a good amount

[stuck sparrow]

Isnt the proposed ks a few seconds

pretty sure fury bladestorm is less

[glass mortar]

???

bladestorm is 3.6s brother

[frank finch]

remember is also gives cp

[glass mortar]

current kspree is longer then it

new kspree is waaay longer

nobody comes close

[stuck sparrow]

Unless im tripping bs is hasted

will need to factcheck

[rotund pulsar]

"waaay longer"

[vivid vessel]

I mean

[rotund pulsar]

really man?

[simple dagger]

So sick

[vivid vessel]

I also want to mention

That they complain about these thingd

As well

[pliant wave]

Fatebound tier set is so bad. Trickster tier set is so gooood

[vivid vessel]

I don't think taking a bad spell as an example

Is a gotcha

[slate plaza]

ROGUE

Outlaw
    Killing Spree has been redesigned – Finishing move that unleashes a barrage of gunfire, rapidly striking random enemies within 8 yards for Physical damage over its duration. Duration and number of strikes increase per combo point spent. Restores 1 combo point every 0.5 seconds.
        Now a channeled ability with 0.5 second duration per combo point spent, reduced by Haste (was 0.3 seconds).
        Can move and use some travel and defensive abilities while channeling, but movement is slowed by 20%.
        Damage per strike increased by 25%.

KILLING SPREE REWORKOUR

R

[pliant wind]

wow didnt saw that combo points

thats cool

[red zinc]

He doesnt kno

[bright crane]

Maybe now we’ll just fully stack haste and vers

[glass mortar]

nah it doesnt just checked

[bright crane]

Since ks is basted

Hasted

[haughty wigeon]

you cant kick no

[stuck sparrow]

might be more ticks then

[red zinc]

ks is based

[haughty wigeon]

i think

[simple dagger]

Wait so does this stop spending points if you have to interrupt?

[haughty wigeon]

its gonna be reduced

[next wedge]

can anyone show me the animation

[haughty wigeon]

cuase eyebeam has long channel too

[glass mortar]

pins

[rigid basin]

I wanted americanized killing spree ages ago

[stuck sparrow]

eyebeam is like a 1st cast

[mighty pivot]

it's an improvement that you can cancel it now, but they need to rethink the whole CP generation thing because it's very awkward

[haughty wigeon]

it just supercharger makes ks longer

[proper bear]

Ks is confirmed based

[stuck sparrow]

eyebeam is such a short channel

[simple dagger]

Yeah I mean it feels like a long cast but this is literally what I suggested and it’s not going to kill me so I’m happy enough

[bright crane]

What if instead of giving CP, it gave 1 or 2 SC charges?

[stuck sparrow]

I feel

they could have just made ks

into what cannonball barrage was

as a finisher

[crisp canopy]

just funny how people constantly lie to prove a point

[vivid vessel]

Idk ks could have been half the duration and no one would have complained

Like who wants longer casts

[rigid basin]

Just saying >.>

[mighty pivot]

devokers

[vivid vessel]

That'sjusy what I don't really understand

[stuck sparrow]

or just make it like bladedance

[vivid vessel]

Like it's not more fun to be longer

You are effectively making gameplay worse

[pliant wind]

haste vers ftw

[simple dagger]

Yeah this was my thinking too; like killing sprees of Halo

[pliant wind]

maybe haste reduces a lot ks duration

idk

[vivid vessel]

Also let m stun during ut please..

[quiet swallow]

All these class changes being announced and we still have to play the worst button in existence.

[mighty pivot]

why do weird things with haste scaling when they can just reduce the base duration?

[rotund pulsar]

where did i lie?

[pliant wind]

true

[rigid basin]

Honestly I am just glad it isnt gonna get us killed xd

[pliant wind]

we still dont know effects of the s3 set, right?

[cinder relic]

we do

[proper bear]

Roll the balls ain’t bad now and now we get John wick spree

Based

Outlaw goated

[rigid basin]

The 4pc is just the coup bug again lmaoo

[pliant wind]

Oh

[rigid basin]

except its 5s instead of 1

[pliant wind]

well i liked it tbh haha

[simple dagger]

Bruh I saw that lmao

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i lost my main actionbar

wtf

why?

help

zac

!!!

[pliant wind]

easier to uptime AR

[proven ocean]

it was below this shit man

where

did it go

and why the fuck would it disappear

????????

[nimble sigil]

Shift+scroll

[vivid vessel]

Options

Action bar

Activate them all

Use the search function it's op

Just search action bar

In the menu I man

Mean

[civic zephyr]

okay someone be a gamer

gimme a breakdown of what happened to KS

in simple terms for i am STUPID

[wind lintel]

Shoot gun no teleport

[civic zephyr]

how work tho, you can move? it takes forever for an animation still?

[wind lintel]

Move slow channel cast

[haughty wigeon]

can grapple and sprint tho

[wind lintel]

Minigun vibes

[civic zephyr]

okay

thanks gamers

will see how it feels ig

maybe kinda like rapid shot on hunter with a move speed reduc?

is it rapid shot? i never played mm

[cinder relic]

check the pin

[civic zephyr]

OH

i dont think thats AS bad

like its still prolly not optimal but it doesnt look as punishing as current KS

[cinder relic]

Yeah

Think its 1 sec longer on SC max CP

[civic zephyr]

idk, will see how it feels in content, but it doesnt look SO bad

but we have cdr anyway right? so its w/e on that front

[cinder relic]

Looks amazing to me idk

maybe needs a slightly longer CD but

[civic zephyr]

yeah i fuck with it kinda

[sullen walrus]

its new ks?

[civic zephyr]

ya ^

[sullen walrus]

wtf, send me please patch note about it
i didn’t find any info about ks

[sudden fulcrum]

wowhead.com

not hard to find

[civic zephyr]

like even with a slightly longer cast, its less punishing, and seems fine imo? obviously will see depending on content but idk it doesnt see as bad as current

[glass mortar]

turn off the melee part of it and im sold, the mg procs during it look silly imo

but the base animation is pretty sick

[gaunt rover]

bro aint no way they turned the bug into a 4set, thats hilarious

[pliant wave]

Why is no one talking about the tier set bonus? Isn't the Fatebound set bonus really bad?

[vivid vessel]

I hope we are especting more than "it's not as bad as current"

You are going to use this spell for years to come

Please don't settle just because we are coming from the worse spell in the game

[vivid vessel]

It's probably really fucking good but it'd hard to evaluate

[civic zephyr]

while i agree with this sentiment its still blizzard LMAO

[craggy barn]

its a huge upgrade but def needs work

[civic zephyr]

like id love them to keep it as an idea, but keep working on it till its pleasing to play for all

[vivid vessel]

Ye and I hope we can except better

[sullen walrus]

this animation currently ig or will be with next patch?

[craggy barn]

shrug no idea if its final

[vivid vessel]

Imma have to make a na account to give feedback am I

[restive obsidian]

I wish the range was a bit longer tbh

[vivid vessel]

How do I even do that

[cinder relic]

I think the spell looks fucking sick idk

[craggy barn]

can u not give feedback on eu acc?

[cinder relic]

Everything could be better, Hopefully it gets a longer CD

[sullen walrus]

agree

[pliant wave]

The Trickster tier set bonus looks way too strong. Isn't that basically Coup de Grace before the bug fix?

[cinder relic]

But love it

[craggy barn]

or are u just hoping for better visibility

[hollow temple]

Need a level 10 💀

[civic zephyr]

agreed fully tbh, like i said, as a base idea, it seems better than what we have rn, but if they state its a base idea and will continue tessting to find ways to make it better still, id be happier

[vivid vessel]

And that was worth between 5 and 10% which is litteraly what a 4 set is

Usually

[vivid vessel]

How do I do that tho

[mighty pivot]

maybe they could make it have an extra effect whenever it generated CP past your max? Because "wasting" up to 5 CP seems weird design

[vivid vessel]

Cause you can create level 10 chars no?

[hollow temple]

Get a trial account set up for NA servers and level to 10

[vivid vessel]

Level up?

Can't I pay

[civic zephyr]

yeah but NA is a second subscription so you would have to trial

[vivid vessel]

I guess I can just buy a boost

[sullen walrus]

boys , this animation of ks currently in game ? or will be with next patch

[hollow temple]

Have to have unlocked those races

[craggy barn]

in live? no

in ptr yes

[vivid vessel]

Ye I will just buy a boost

Or I guess I have no na gold

[hollow temple]

Ur gonna pay

[craggy barn]

this will come next patch yamato.

[hollow temple]

To post on forums

[vivid vessel]

Fuck

[hollow temple]

Yikes?

[craggy barn]

spend an hour to get to 10

[mighty pivot]

paying to give feedback they won't read

[vivid vessel]

Well im not gonna spend time

[craggy barn]

or pay

[vivid vessel]

I would rather spend money

Yes

[tender wedge]

Are you still locked in place while channeling?

[craggy barn]

no

[civic zephyr]

wait zac do you have a RANDOM levelled atl you never touch? if youre gonna pay you can account transfer characters aslong as its made from your blizz account no?

[craggy barn]

u can move at 20% ms reduction

and use movement abilities

like sprint and graple

[vivid vessel]

No clue man

[hollow temple]

Cross region?

[restive obsidian]

I'm definitely going to accidentally cancel killing spree a billion times too early

[tender wedge]

Well shit

[hollow temple]

Dunno if that works

[civic zephyr]

ahh region lock

yeah you right

[tender wedge]

Assume it still speeds up with haste

[civic zephyr]

my fault

[hollow temple]

You can add a macro line so that you don’t btw

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[hollow temple]

Same as eye beam

[vivid vessel]

All my spells have that

Cause of guzzlers

Xd

I legit can't cancel ks even if I wanted to

Other than pressing kidney or kick

I'm very based

[civic zephyr]

wait

[vivid vessel]

I think we might want to cancel it tho

Once you are full cp

Idk

[civic zephyr]

whats the line of text i macro for that?

[vivid vessel]

Might be mega clunky

[hollow temple]

If they extend the CD and buff the dmg

Maybe not

[haughty wigeon]

takes less than a hour to get to lvl 10

btw

[vivid vessel]

/stop [channelling] iirc

Idk if channeling is 1 l or 2

Or 1 n

You figure it out

[civic zephyr]

thanks gamer

[vivid vessel]

They can't really do that tho

Cause it's trickster

[mighty pivot]

that's what I'm worrying about with the current iteration

[hollow temple]

They can

[restive obsidian]

my other gripe is the cone needs a more clear indication. It's hard to tell where the edges and ends are of it

[vivid vessel]

How

It's linked to trickster

[civic zephyr]

i mean imo they can cos of the cdr built into outlaw no?

[vivid vessel]

No but

If you double the cd for example

[civic zephyr]

but even then, 45second damage cds arent unheard of on other specs

[restive obsidian]

because the gun does a strafing move on it

[vivid vessel]

You impact trickster

How do you fix that

[civic zephyr]

yeah you right

[hollow temple]

Various ways

[vivid vessel]

Like what

[daring oxide]

Hello

[hollow temple]

UB change

[daring oxide]

I just woke up

What happened

Something good?

[vivid vessel]

Eh I have to sleep anywya

[civic zephyr]

idk, i think the most they "could" do is make it a 2 minute cd, but even then, its kinda pointless for the sake of 30 seconds

[vivid vessel]

It's 1min30 rn

With trickster

Idk what you mean by 1 min

That's shorter

[civic zephyr]

oh LMAO it feels SO LOW

i meant 2 mins tho

mistyping

[vivid vessel]

Yes because it's 15/20 s after cdrr

[civic zephyr]

ITS 2 AM CUT ME SOME SLACK

THERE

happy

[vivid vessel]

Which is insane considering it also last up to 5 s

So that's still 20% of your time in ks

Basically

[civic zephyr]

in optimal play

[vivid vessel]

20 to 30

Which is wild

[civic zephyr]

but you cant REALLY do that with most of the content rn

[vivid vessel]

Idk

[civic zephyr]

listen im not you, im shit LMAO

[vivid vessel]

With new ks you are more able to press it on cd

So

[civic zephyr]

yeah true

that might feel worse in terms of active time compared to time spent in KS

you are right

[vivid vessel]

Always

[civic zephyr]

anyway

go to bed you rat

xD

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[civic zephyr]

gngn gamer

[vivid vessel]

Fuck

[red zinc]

What cone

[civic zephyr]

on new ks i assume

but even then its like

[red zinc]

its not aoe

[shut lichen]

yo how do you get details on ptr again?

[hollow temple]

?

[red zinc]

it flurries but i highly doubt its a cone effect

[civic zephyr]

yeah its a use on target i think

same as current KS id assume

[mighty pivot]

addons were disabled on ptr earlier at least

[timber hemlock]

can blizz just hotfix this in live? I don't want to wait

[red zinc]

yeah

[restive obsidian]

it's definitely a cone

[civic zephyr]

its not a cone, it hits random enemies within 8 yards

[lime lake]

its hitting random enemies in an aoe, not dealing aoe damage

[shut lichen]

it's defo working cause i see people with them

[red zinc]

i dont see how that tooltip turns it into a cone

[civic zephyr]

it doesnt

[shut lichen]

just trying to figure out how to get it

[hollow temple]

ye im not saying its a cone

but it does act as a kind of aoe

[red zinc]

like if you got combatlog stuff then im all for it but

[civic zephyr]

the other dude was

[red zinc]

It just targets random enemies around you and flurries that

[mighty pivot]

you might be right tbh, I forgot they moved ptr to a new directory

[hollow temple]

ik

[red zinc]

There doesnt need to be any indicators

[hollow temple]

was just clarifying

[red zinc]

man

[civic zephyr]

but yeah, idk im not mad about the change, but i hope they clean it up to make it better for long term use

[red zinc]

if i get details on ptr tomorrow ima cook

theres a guaranteed lucky coin opener for sure

just curious how much more you can proc it after

[red zinc]

and what damage it does

Don’t think I ever saw the lucky coin damage proc in a log

[haughty wigeon]

im not sure if this was noticed

@fathom bramble

is the duration supposed to lower with haste?

[hasty void]

Hey I just saw the changes to KillingSpree and came over here to see why I should be dooming about it

[indigo token]

killing spree was wows last bastion of skill expression

without it we're no better than boomkins

[haughty wigeon]

so

duration does lower with haste

23% with take em by surprise does lower it quite a bit

[indigo token]

i mean it says so on the tooltip

but instead of a 0.3 second channel affected by haste

its a 0.5

[hasty void]

Okay thanks

[daring oxide]

Fucking called it

GUNFIRE RELATED KILLONG SPREE

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

Dam I am so happy

[latent oak]

it was all u dude

[daring oxide]

Nah

[latent oak]

the hope in ur name

carried us through

[daring oxide]

I just had hope

But many people gave good feedback

[latent belfry]

IM SO HYPE

[daring oxide]

Zac shared a ton of videos and clips with blizz man too

[latent belfry]

KS REWORK

YESSSS

[hollow temple]

Indeed. I did call it!

:)

[civic zephyr]

Is it now a channel that can be canceled?

[red zinc]

vurai ks is insignificant

[hollow temple]

Ye

[red zinc]

The hood plays fatebound now

[civic zephyr]

Also if you need to move during you have to cancel it now?

[cedar kernel]

i found something interesting

[hollow temple]

No

[hollow temple]

Read it

It slows you now

[cedar kernel]

idk how will it looks like in real battle but the proc looks quite good

[hollow temple]

20% slow

[cedar kernel]

stats are bad

[civic zephyr]

But could you cast grappling hook

During

[red zinc]

its not good enough

Been simmed since start of xpac

[hollow temple]

Yeah. Idk if that cancels it or not

[red zinc]

Think the attack speed was weird or smth

[hollow temple]

I think not

[red zinc]

grapple doesnt

only offensive abilities

[hollow temple]

And kick

[red zinc]

and ccs ye

anything that alters the state of enemy mobs

just deffies/heals

and movement is useable

[hollow temple]

Vial doesn’t cancel it?

[red zinc]

didnt test it, probably will since its a gcd

[desert tendon]

what

[red zinc]

But idk

[hollow temple]

That’s my assumption ye

[desert tendon]

did i see a ks change

or did i got trolled?

[latent oak]

check pins bossman

[hollow temple]

[civic zephyr]

its all a bait

[red zinc]

the 10s cd ar is going to go crazy

[desert tendon]

idk man i aint playing wow anymore

[red zinc]

Two consecutive lucky coin procs

[desert tendon]

i m still lurking here cause i like you guys

[civic zephyr]

Now all we need is uncapped aoe 🙂 jk

[red zinc]

Ima install details tomorrow and see that this shit still sucks because it doesnt have nimble flurry

And then never talent fatebound again

[daring oxide]

Huh???

[hollow temple]

[magic shuttle]

Isn't the new ks uncapped?

[red zinc]

no

[hollow temple]

[latent oak]

its just a st ability that flurries right?

[red zinc]

It works the exact same damage wise as old ks

[gaunt phoenix]

11.2 PTR changes and common feedback

Killing Spree is now a channel of gunfire and no longer teleports you around. It lasts longer, hasted 0.5s per CP. It also gives you +1cp every 0.5s during the animation and you can move/defensive/grapple during it.

• Obviously not having to deal with dying because of KS is massive
• 0.5s/cp might be too long -- perhaps we will cancel it when you reach 7cp instead of letting it finish
• Might not be worth Supercharging
• Refilling your CP sounds nice but maybe awkward when you want to press builders after KS to spend Unseen Blades
• Attacks random targets, which is potentially a lot of lost priority damage
• Can't kick/cc during it or it stops

Trickster tier set:

2pc Unseen Blade deals 30% increased damage and has a 30% chance to immediately refresh its cooldown.

4pc Coup de Grace may now be activated a second time within 5 sec, dealing 100% of normal damage.

• The double Coup bug returning as a tier set is kinda funny but welcome. It's a lot of CDR and feels good to play
• Will probably send the extra Coup at low CP if your next builder will waste Escalating Blades
• 2pc is good for dps though it's annoying we can't track the reset

Fatebound tier set:

2pc Ghostly Strike deals 50% increased damage and has 4 sec increased duration. Edge Case now flips an additional Fatebound Coin and activating Ghostly Strike triggers its effect.

4pc Having a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Adrenaline Rush by 30.0 sec and Ghostly Strike by 15.0 sec.

Update <t:1750426620:R> -Misread this a little bit, it's not -30s of AR every time the coin procs. As long as the Lucky Coin buff is active, AR and GS have reduced cooldowns. So in raid you just need to proc it once

• Interesting because it feeds into itself
• Edge case flipping 2 of each coin and also activating from GS is probably a deceptively high dps increase
• The 4pc tied to Lucky Coin sounds annoying at first because rng, but Lucky Coins are hit WAY more often than before
• If Fatebound is used in M+ it does put more emphasis on trying not to drop Lucky Coin out of combat
• Reducing AR's base cooldown helps Outlaw maintain AR through downtime

Shouldn't think about tuning right now but despite the tier set, unless Fatebound gets massive changes I don't see it being played in keys

[latent oak]

but chooses random targets instead of ur main target

[fathom bramble]

Yes, same as old ks

[hollow temple]

It hits random targets in 8yards

[civic zephyr]

it only hits 1 target per hit, but can flurry, so it will change targer randomly during the cast time

[frank finch]

[pliant wave]

Oh

[cedar kernel]

@vivid vessel zac lord could i do keys with u in PTR

[red zinc]

Its 2 of each on edge case isnt it @gaunt phoenix

[cedar kernel]

[hollow temple]

He’s eeping !

[desert tendon]

just read the pin

cancelling ks

feel like ww

canceling fist perma x)

[cedar kernel]

oh sry

[desert tendon]

back u cute

[cedar kernel]

but i havent play keys with lords, kinda looking forward to do it once

[gaunt phoenix]

er yeah. 3 out of stealth

[red zinc]

Wait stealth increases it further?

i did not read these talents well enough

[magic shuttle]

I see

[latent oak]

good morning bac

[red zinc]

Ye then you can just get 1+3+2+CB1 and get lucky coin

not sure how to condense that

[cedar kernel]

for me its night rn

[red zinc]

or the order

[torpid fiber]

I'm actually so excited for 11.2, theme seems fucking sick, tazavesh is back, and KS is now exactly what I pitched LOL

[latent oak]

gm nonetheless

[red zinc]

New zone background is turbo fire

been flying around

[cedar kernel]

[hollow temple]

I do think this is the most commonly suggested outcome

[red zinc]

definitely the wasteland they intended it to be, but it looks dope

[hollow temple]

Many of us wanted gun shooting eye beam

[cedar kernel]

wtf is this

[torpid fiber]

I fucking love when wow does this kind of stuff, imo it's the best use of wow's art style

[hollow temple]

[hollow temple]

?

Halls of atonement from shadowlands

[cedar kernel]

bro we got HOA and the Tazavesh i love those dgs

yea i know

iirc its a tough dg

[civic zephyr]

is hoa the revendreth dungeon?

[hollow temple]

It’s a good one tho for sure

[red zinc]

1st boss streets cage

[hollow temple]

Yeah

[red zinc]

we can vanish it

but that cage hp was cooked

[hollow temple]

It has the 3 shard mini bosses

To unlock 1st boss

[red zinc]

The sub rogue test

if they black powdered you called them names

[hollow temple]

The destro lock test

Pull all 3 and let them do 100x your damage

[red zinc]

nono

That was guardian druid

pre-fix venthyr s3 guardian with 4p

pulled everything and killed it solo

[hollow temple]

Lock was disgusto in that dungeon at one point

I vaguely remember guardian

[red zinc]

oh for sure lock was busted that season

guardian druid just had a moment

didnt last long

[civic zephyr]

lock wass nasty ins that entire season

[hollow temple]

HoA was around for an entire expansion

[civic zephyr]

it was during surv hunter/ lock meta

[red zinc]

I remember seeing triple guardian keys

for a week

[hollow temple]

So idk which season were all referring to

[red zinc]

s3

[civic zephyr]

i remember dk tank, priest heal, double warlock surv hunter meta in keys

[red zinc]

That was when destro was most broken

[civic zephyr]

from s3

[gaunt phoenix]

think we are kind of back to AR being 98% uptime with minimal effort

Both sets just shit out AR cdr

[red zinc]

one hunnit

[lavish shoal]

@hollow temple should I come back to outlaw next szn

[strong halo]

do people here use a grapplin hook mouse over macro?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah @ cursor

[strong halo]

bet

also are we doomers about the updates? or is it goated?

[gaunt phoenix]

goated

[daring oxide]

Goated

[gaunt phoenix]

some quirks sure

[strong halo]

because of KS changes?

[cinder relic]

Goated but imperfect. As all things are

[daring oxide]

KS is still hasted

[gaunt phoenix]

i pinned some common feedback

[daring oxide]

If you play HO SC as we do now

With high haste

[hollow temple]

Ask again another time. 🎱

[daring oxide]

KS will be like 2 seconds max

Faster with lust

[mighty pivot]

they have plenty of time to adapt it based on feedback - in theory at least

[lavish shoal]

Just saw KS isn’t killing yourself rppm anymore

[hollow temple]

But in all seriousness idk, I’ve barely been playing since .5 so. I’m waiting to see the seasonal reward rework that’s coming.

[daring oxide]

And they might tune the new killing spree to be faster between attacks too

Or hit harder etc

[lavish shoal]

Yeah but current KS is rppm die

[gaunt phoenix]

i very much think we will cancel KS and it will be the first thing i sim

[daring oxide]

I look forward to it

I’ll try doing it in pre

Ptr

[lavish shoal]

On finishing cp yeah?

[daring oxide]

Seee how it feels to do that dps wise

[gaunt phoenix]

on 7

[daring oxide]

Yes when we get all cp back

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/ome20-gif-9226759380346778850

[lavish shoal]

Yuh**

That’s what it seems to me!

Would have to be a lot of dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

if we have to avoid supercharging

KS

that will be kinda cursed

[lavish shoal]

Yeah

[daring oxide]

I mean we can just cancel the channel with another finisher right?

[lavish shoal]

KS Rtb into finish

[daring oxide]

As soon as we hit 7

[lavish shoal]

Yes any button

[gaunt phoenix]

yes you cancel with finisher

[cedar kernel]

we cant do keys still right?

yea

i tried

[daring oxide]

Makes sense

[lavish shoal]

So prob either Rtb or finisher

[cedar kernel]

it can also like vanish can

[daring oxide]

Probably will feel good then

[red zinc]

Outlaw is cooked I just saw spymaster 2.0 trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

but if you cancel then supercharger does nothing

[daring oxide]

It’s probably intended

[red zinc]

Its a cd season

[daring oxide]

Still doesn’t apply the cdr?

[proven ocean]

guys

how i get this achievemtn

its an outlaw dragon mount

holy shit?

[gaunt phoenix]

the cdr works

[cedar kernel]

i use it like KS- 6-7CPS Then Vanish - BtE

[daring oxide]

What if KS is just tuned to do insane damage

[red zinc]

Do 4 timewalking dungeons

For 5 weeks

[lavish shoal]

Then you wouldn’t cancel

[daring oxide]

Since it’s buffed by 25% plus the talent in trickster

[proven ocean]

5 WEEKS WHAT

[red zinc]

if you do it on an alt

[gaunt phoenix]

the +25% damage is just because it is 25% longer

[proven ocean]

WDYM FOR 5 WEEKS

ARE THEY CRAZY

[hollow temple]

well, not any button

[red zinc]

ok ross

[lavish shoal]

Name a button

[cedar kernel]

are u in ptr

[red zinc]

Turbo lazy method for you

[cedar kernel]

[red zinc]

if you do it on an alt you never log in to

[daring oxide]

Gonna play around on ptr

[lavish shoal]

Healing potion

[hollow temple]

sprint/defensives don't cancel the channel

[lavish shoal]

I win

[tidal sequoia]

5 ALTS INSTANT ?

[red zinc]

you only have to do 4 dungeons the first week

[proven ocean]

NO

[late swallow]

You need 5 weeks of /played time for the mount btw

[proven ocean]

caps

[daring oxide]

Nice

[red zinc]

And then you do 1 run every new week to refresh buff

So only 8 dungeons total

cant login to that alt long enough for buff to expire though

[daring oxide]

I’m loving the animation thought

[proven ocean]

what

[daring oxide]

They did a fantastic job

[proven ocean]

timmy idk man this shit hurts my brain

[daring oxide]

I had faith

[proven ocean]

sounds like a hard thing to do

[daring oxide]

Also fatebound looking like its way more consistent now to get lucky coin procs

With the new tier set

[restive scarab]

I spammed time walking on alt and got mount already it’s bugged right now

[daring oxide]

Edge case being triggered by ghostly is gona be so helpful

[late swallow]

Fatebound chads eating good

[cedar kernel]

[late swallow]

Kir fatebound my beloved

[gaunt phoenix]

I think fatebound tails is canceling ks, haha

[proven ocean]

im on live

[cedar kernel]

[proven ocean]

u want me to login ptr for somethjinhg

or?

[late swallow]

You’d be playing KS as FB?

[gaunt phoenix]

not on purpose

maybe worth

[late swallow]

Oh haha you just mean the interaction?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[late swallow]

I appreciate you clarifying ty

[cedar kernel]

nvm i want to play M+ with brothers in PTR but it seens like they havent open M+ yet

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix looking forward to your cooks

[gaunt phoenix]

[main shadow]

-reads changes for KS -

https://tenor.com/view/the-other-guys-gators-gat-stay-strapped-gif-18465305

[red zinc]

Full haste build for the trillion ks uses we are getting

Ryu was ahead of his time

[gaunt phoenix]

i cant believe outlaw patch notes day actually ended well

[torpid fiber]

same

[main shadow]

what a time to be alive

[haughty wigeon]

real

dude

[red zinc]

and all it needed was 1 note (+ a decent tierset)

[gaunt phoenix]

We're so back

[torpid fiber]

I was so scared and then I read patch notes and saw that actually they made exactly the change needed

[haughty wigeon]

brew is crazy

[late swallow]

This but unironically

[red zinc]

Someone also said subt trinket bug was gone

Didnt test it myself yet

[torpid fiber]

I think the big thing is that I've heard a lot of ppl liking the current build outside of ks so with ks fixed it gives that time to breath

[red zinc]

Maybe true?

[gaunt phoenix]

i can test rn

[daring oxide]

We actually are so back

[cedar kernel]

solo does your passion to outlaw rise again

[gaunt phoenix]

yee

[cedar kernel]

i feel like the passion in my mind of outlaw flaring

[gaunt phoenix]

its not fixed

[late swallow]

We’ll find something to doom about soon enough

[cedar kernel]

when can we get the new apl

[red zinc]

naw mods send him to northern sentinel island

[cedar kernel]

i would try some idea from CN top player in sim

to see whether it will work

[gaunt phoenix]

if someone comes in here talking about how they liked old KS

i dont really want to see 41 people clown them out of the channel

[cedar kernel]

mostly from feelcraft i think

[indigo token]

i dont think anyone did

[red zinc]

Sir

[gaunt phoenix]

yea i dont think it was too bad so far

[gaunt phoenix]

it didnt work with Magnet at least

[late swallow]

Bro what is that PI emote

Is that adolf pi

[red zinc]

@tidal sequoia idk about that emoji twin

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

I thought I was cooked on mobile or something

[tidal sequoia]

oh yea it was, sorry

[sudden iron]

out of curiosity, did anyone sim dps loss for one button rotation when playing kir?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah

[tidal sequoia]

polish wow community is ... weird

[fathom whale]

im keen 11.2 ima be gatting people with the new KS

[gaunt phoenix]

assuming you are manually pressing AR and Vanish and KIR

I made it use kir at 4 buffs though not sure if that is even good with the way it rolls

[red zinc]

You can customize stats on the heirloom cloak

The technology is finally there

[gaunt phoenix]

cloak stats

[red zinc]

(Pure 1stat but still)

[cedar kernel]

Assisted rotation

[hollow temple]

i think the only real excuse to have liked old KS was if you were a pvper

because it was GOD awful in pve

[gaunt phoenix]

they could legit pvp talent it

[red zinc]

The raid renown actually doubles(?) cloak secondaries inside raid

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[hollow temple]

pvp outlaw loses the root break/damage stagger now

but honestly i prefer this outcome

love to see it

[red zinc]

cloak is just stats with high ilvl and a cool proc alongside the phasing mechanic (dimension shift)

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster with good ks and double coup is crazy

[red zinc]

Dps gets ethereal reaping (pretty much just execute dps)

[silver sluice]

willw e just ks until 5+ and cancel?

[indigo token]

i was joking

[silver sluice]

tahts what im curious on

[indigo token]

[gaunt phoenix]

i suspect we will cancel at 7

[silver sluice]

mm makes sense

[fathom whale]

how do we feel about new KS in 11.2

[tidal sequoia]

it was like rising children - you make sure its the best enviroment for them, you look when you set it free, if a fuck up happens, your significant other (healer) helps out, but in the end it can all go crashing out when you find out they pley league of legends

[sudden iron]

kir at 4 is normal no? either way, i just found weird it uses ambush instead of ss, was wondering how big of a hit it is

[tidal sequoia]

also fun to fuck up pulls on mythic gally when it sends you to sparks

[gaunt phoenix]

kir at 4 is normal with our established RTB rules, but the assisted rotation doesnt do RTB like normal

It just rolls if buffs=0

[craggy quiver]

i hope we dont cancel ks that would suck

[sudden iron]

oh right, thats another thing when i was fckin around with it

[red zinc]

Ok that artifact cloak is honestly just a cool thing that isnt weirdly customizable like ring/belt, and has 3rppm procrate

With secondaries

They pretty much did everything right that the belt did wrong

Good good

[gaunt phoenix]

cloak is cool raid looks cool

This tier is about to be peak outlaw

[random stirrup]

everything ive seen from this tier so far looks super sick

pretty excited

[red zinc]

bro

The warband campsite for this tier

tazavesh with the k’aresh black hole in the background

Actual fucking peak

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf i love wow ?!

[red zinc]

Wow good?

Season 2 an actually okay tier?

[frank finch]

best raid mog best raid tier

ks fixed

what else

this our tier

[red zinc]

huh

[unborn basin]

uncap bf

[red zinc]

rogue tier is not what i’d say best

its not monk raid mog thats for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

i think fatebound will have to open with GS > AR instead of AR breaking stealth

AR breaking stealth doesnt give 3 of each coin cause bug

[hasty void]

When someone says your joke a little louder and everyone laughs 🥲

[red zinc]

What gets you the final coin

[frank finch]

outlaw tier bis

[indigo token]

monk mog this tier went insane

[frank finch]

[gaunt phoenix]

Double jeopardy talent

[red zinc]

is that the CB

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[red zinc]

man i do not remember fatebound

[gaunt phoenix]

first coin after stealth is duplicated

[daring oxide]

What if you cancel stealth before AR with macro?

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe works

[daring oxide]

It does I do that atm when I play fatebound

For edge case

[red zinc]

so itd be 3 from gs, 2 from ar, and then 2 from dispatch/bte?

idk why i did / its always bte

[cedar kernel]

solo are u in PTR

i am wondering one thing

does the KS can be controled

[gaunt phoenix]

bte is 1

unfortunately you dont get instant 7 coins

[cedar kernel]

or the dmg we receive will be delayed still?

[red zinc]

ye thats what i meant

Surely theres a way to guarantee

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure of the question

[frank finch]

how does sin do it

[cedar kernel]

like can we be cc?

when casting KS

[gaunt phoenix]

probably

[cedar kernel]

also the DMG we receive will be delay until we finish it?

[gaunt phoenix]

err

[cedar kernel]

idk if we can try it out of the stormwind

[red zinc]

it wont

That component is gone

are you ok

[bright crane]

mmmm yessss

[gaunt phoenix]

can we be cc'd during ks - probably
can we cast cc during ks - yes but it will cancel
does ks still stagger damage - idk

[cedar kernel]

[red zinc]

seek religion or some other figure of guidance

[cedar kernel]

i cant go to dolnogal bc everytime i reach there i will disconnected

[gaunt phoenix]

i cant find a tank dummy in stormwind

hi

[red zinc]

If you’re trying to import to ptr high chance it doesnt work

[gaunt phoenix]

this?

i can

[cedar kernel]

oh wait

solo

[gaunt phoenix]

which one do you wnat

[cedar kernel]

KS is a AOE rn

like even if BF doesnt enable

it still shot enemies randomly

[frank finch]

yea it aoes w/o bf

on ptr

[gaunt phoenix]

it should still be single target hits

[glass mortar]

it doesnt aoe it just shoots random targets

xd

[frank finch]

[shut lichen]

raid unironically reads like an all timer

[cedar kernel]

yea

[glass mortar]

kinda silly

w/e