I feel like we’re gonna be getting that question a lot
#outlaw
bright crane
haughty wigeon
99% slow
cinder relic
vale warren
Imagine old ks teleporting you around this guy
jolly geyser
prolly flying to smol places outside main area to do stuff and we can see
cinder relic
chilly atlas
we'll just walk around it and be able to hit from everywhere kinda thing
cinder relic
Pin this for a bit
restive dove
red zinc
ty opposite of concern baiter
restive dove
like it
red zinc
what is the word
fathom bramble
I wish MG triggering didn't break the animation
sour gulch
yall seen this
red zinc
man
bright crane
Imagine old ks teleporting you around this guy
It probably wouldn’t. Would likely be same behavior as last boss of workshop
red zinc
i know its void tier and every transmog is guaranteed to hit anyway
uneven viper
new animation is dope
red zinc
but these mounts are so fucking cool
glass mortar
they really had to stick the random targets in there huh
frank finch
our tier crawling with mastery
glass mortar
u know what this means right zac
frank finch
eeww
civic void
pin domain is mine
Any new belt info to get back the top pin ?
fossil lintel
yall seen this
they are overcompensating after the comments about how gally fell short
glass mortar
this ability would waste attacks on mines on mugzee
and any other fight like that
not nearly as bad as rng teleports
but... why
just why
fathom bramble
range is short enough that you can maybe still have some degree of control
red zinc
put it as real feedback maybe they'll look at it
fossil lintel
@gaunt phoenix does all the hits still trigger BF?
red zinc
they do
gaunt phoenix
that would be insane if they did not
vivid vessel
but it should be random only during BF probably
how many strikes per cp
fathom bramble
they do
keen belfry
this is so wrong
glass mortar
that and the fact that it doesnt override melee animations
eager rose
imagine if KS was a channeled skill shooting with two pistols for 5s
vivid vessel
why does it flyurry but also seems to cleave lok
glass mortar
are my biggest gripes with it
vivid vessel
or am i cooked
fathom bramble
how many strikes per cp
it seems to perform the same number of strikes as KS
glass mortar
looks very silly to half cancel every shot with a melee swing when MG procs
red zinc
that damage will still cleave though
red zinc
its not the biggest issue ever
red zinc
i really think you might cancel it anyway so
glass mortar
being able to cancel it is a big boon tho
vivid vessel
at 1 cp i get 4 ks hits tho
glass mortar
the cp gen is probably there to punish u for canceling it
vivid vessel
on 2 targets
red zinc
the cp gen is probably there to punish u for canceling it
yeah but
getting 3 guaranteed ub's on average
vivid vessel
also why is the damage just rng
frank finch
so do we have 3 different chances to reset unseen blade with 2 pc
vivid vessel
i dont get it
red zinc
and then double coup
tough trellis
are we winning with the changes to killing spree bros
glass mortar
double coup?
red zinc
you will have your ks back again insta
gaunt phoenix
Definitely not losing
red zinc
I swear
old gull
Anyone try new spree while rooted?
fathom bramble
i dont get it
wdym
glass mortar
i just got home did they rebug us or did trickster cop a change
fathom bramble
that looks within the normal range
vivid vessel
each hit
red zinc
i just got home did they rebug us or did trickster cop a change
4p for trickster
jagged ivy
yall seen this
somber ridge
are we winning with the changes to killing spree bros
sir people are gonna find a negative twist. "cast too long" or some shit. yes, we are winning compared to old KS
fathom bramble
damage varies by like 5% on everything
fossil lintel
overall positive change but has some issues
fathom bramble
those are within 5% I think
gaunt phoenix
not sure about that
gaunt phoenix
oh
fossil lintel
Sir, this is outlaw discord, dooming is a sacred tradition. First we doom, then Guy comes and complains about dooming.
fathom bramble
KS still has the behavior of doing 1+CP hits with each hand
you even pull 2 pistols
vivid vessel
that's a mainhand and an offhand hit
OH
proven ocean
also why is the damage just rng
wait is the dmg rng now
vivid vessel
i forgot about that
sour gulch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1385024380928655511/Gt...
hahahahhaha
fathom bramble
and offhand hits deal half damage
strong cargo
sir people are gonna find a negative twist. "cast too long" or some shit. yes, w...
Well ye I've been able to play outlaw without KS for 2/3 years, I still feel bad if new KS is still "mandatory" and a rogue affix, but I still appreciate the upgrade
harsh ocean
KS change is mega appreciated
torpid fiber
Woke up to see that the new ks is literally what I pitched a few times #winning
proven ocean
ngl
this raid
might be the craziest raid in a long time
theme looks way too good from just thinking about it
in theory it might be crazy
i hope they nail it off
bright crane
Blizzard is really delivering
glass mortar
animation is cooked if ur meleeing during it imo
should just remove that possibility
make it override ur MG proc animation
glass mortar
well i dont think u are meleeing?
red zinc
hm
glass mortar
no other melee can auto during channels
cinder relic
guys /lean is a command in game now
glass mortar
im pretty sure what ur seeing are MG procs
proven ocean
@cinder relic ngl this patch looks crazy good, can't wait for people to find ways to complain about it
red zinc
guys /lean is a command in game now
san francisco rp
shrewd peak
red zinc
i already got a complaint (a valid one maybe)
craggy barn
slowly
carmine verge
huh
lucid vale
grapple+KS = air turret!
blissful geode
sour gulch
theme looks way too good from just thinking about it
What's the theme
carmine verge
purple and sexy
proven ocean
ye
cinder relic
void and etherials to setup for midnight being a true, actual real void expansion
proven ocean
super good looking
red zinc
realz is it intended you cant build up to your next coup before you recast it with the new 4 piece? Like after casting the first coup and you still have guaranteed UB procs, pressing sinister strike just wastes those?
somber ridge
Well ye I've been able to play outlaw without KS for 2/3 years, I still feel bad...
look at the pin, this just looks fun to press
red zinc
you keep the "building up to coup" stacks so cant generate any new ones yet
sour gulch
void and etherials to setup for midnight being a true, actual real void expansio...
so we lose to dimensius probably?
or what do you think happens
fossil lintel
realz is it intended you cant build up to your next coup before you recast it wi...
oof
cinder relic
Probably an unfortunate side effect of the tier set losing a few UB procs
red zinc
ye i guess
red zinc
dont want to be annoying hour 1
gaunt phoenix
or you just coup at 2cp
fossil lintel
If it's not changed may be a low CP coup angle if you don't have a ps proc
cinder relic
glass mortar
man the trickster rotation already feels so tight between vanishes and getting coups/ksprees off
a longer kspree with faster coup generation...
red zinc
it doesnt drop stacks if it doesnt arrive to the target before it dies
glass mortar
when the hell are we gunna crackshot
cinder relic
The rotation will be different
red zinc
so essentially you did zero damage with it
cinder relic
Very different for sure
fossil lintel
I mean, I already go evis into evis because I suck sometimes, that just makes it less bad
red zinc
its a slightly beneficial bug, nothing useable though
cinder relic
A lot of prio will shuffle around with double coup exists
gaunt phoenix
it is a bug but no its not in simc. you have to kill the mob literally during the animation, it doesn't really happen in keys
mostly delve funsies
red zinc
oh thats diff than it was explained to me
guess its good then but
not really replicable
to a useful extent anyway
glass mortar
it doesnt drop stacks if it doesnt arrive to the target before it dies
it shoots like 4 projectiles
its extremely replicable
about half my uses of this trinket per dungeon
dont drop stacks
as long as the last projectile doesnt hit
fossil lintel
Is there a way to create a level 80 character in the PTR? I tried copying but it was stuck for 20 min
glass mortar
it doesnt lose any
so i usually use a high stack use early on a pack, then execute mobs when it comes off cd
red zinc
aight i dont have that trinket and last time this came up people called it a non beneficial bug
my fault
glass mortar
for free damage
no ur fine its not widespread
this optimization is probably like 0.2 or 0.3%
who cares xd
i just do it for fun
gaunt phoenix
it's not giga tech for 7% dps
novel zodiac
did they just make killing spree into samira ultimate
red zinc
this fist weapon is so clean
novel zodiac
holy moly
red zinc
gawd damn
gaunt phoenix
yer
glass mortar
but the trinket hits hard enough u can pretty much just guarentee if u use it on a target at 10m or under hp itll do damage and not reset if its at 5+ stacks
carmine verge
the kitchen is on FIRE (in a good way)
glass mortar
so i generally try to get 2-3 uses per pack (depending on how long its living) and not reset stacks with use 2 and 3
craggy barn
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
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cedar kernel
brothers i have a little question about new KS
glass mortar
its generally just nice because it does slightly less damage then something like vexie trinket but its way more flexible
like on damage amp bosses u can make it so 100% of ur trinket damage is getting doubled
without any actual "delaying"
since u can stack up to 30 times
cedar kernel
like does it a ST skill until we use BF? and the time when we casting KS on the target it will make the damage split by BF
gaunt phoenix
ngl I can see canceling KS at 7cp being a thing instead of letting it finish
rich moon
btw now that you mentioned Vexie's, has anyone else noticed that you can't hit bosses behind a gap with it? Like Voidstone monstrosity or Mechagon phase 2?
tidal sequoia
THEY GAVE AZSHARA TRINKET TO EVERY STAT
gaunt phoenix
yeah a few bosses cant be hit
glass mortar
looks like it just shoots random targets (if theres only 1 target then it cant hit other targets there are none) and each hit does bf damage like a normal attack
tidal sequoia
FUCK
glass mortar
btw now that you mentioned Vexie's, has anyone else noticed that you can't hit b...
yea u cant hit p2 mechagon last boss, last boss rookery or intermission first boss rookery
or gally
anything where the boss is "off an edge" like that it misses so i always use magnet in those keys
keen belfry
its cool killing spree is anow a chill moment in your rotation
normal aurora
watch it be like old druid starfall and just pull eeeverything. Like an 360 hunter barrage lol
glass mortar
dont think it has the range for that
i cant imagine the range is larger then bf splashing off the mobs it hits
keen belfry
the 2 seconds of KS felt so long and anxiety inducing
glass mortar
i dont think its even a "pistol" range ability? i just got home tho im just going based off what others said
that were testing it
random stirrup
the amount of times I scream to my group members during killing spree is insane
quaint sable
the ability says it has range 8
vivid vessel
its a bit weird cause
glass mortar
ya thats like the same as kspree range on live right
idk if thats intended or just leftover tho
quaint sable
ks is 10
glass mortar
could be an oversite
quaint sable
they did change it
tawdry arch
did ya guys see the tierset bonus is it good?
craggy barn
wait
glass mortar
its a bit weird for a pistol ability to have such a short range
vivid vessel
you are at 2 ub > ks > get to max cp so finish > build to coup > coup > build to max > coup > and there you would want to vanish for max vanish window but ks cd is already back cause you cycled so much cdr @gaunt phoenix
weird situation
vivid vessel
low cp coup !
glass mortar
this does feel like way too much coup and kspree for crackshot to fit in
gaunt phoenix
i see what you mean
glass mortar
but theres no way its strong enough to push crackshot out
jolly geyser
drinking lean emote
vivid vessel
nah
frank finch
lucky coin sure is proccing alot
cedar kernel
the first one coup can be set on low cp but the second we can build? in case of overcapping ub
vivid vessel
its just very akward to end ks at full cp honestly
tawdry arch
but all in all the tierset is giga no?
bright crane
Imagine them making the KS change
gaunt phoenix
i agree
bright crane
And we go back to FB
gaunt phoenix
especially with more UB procs
craggy barn
slick af
gaunt phoenix
this tier
craggy barn
quaint sable
Fb with KS was better in s1 right just wasnt played
mossy shell
its just very akward to end ks at full cp honestly
but you can just raw BtE and then build, no?
bright crane
No
bright crane
Fb with KS was better in s1 right just wasnt played
This was never a thing
glass mortar
it was like
rich moon
This was never a thing
it was a thing, and I know it because I used it xd
glass mortar
0.8% better
severe jungle
glass mortar
it was piss
craggy barn
new ks with cudgel is goated
glass mortar
but yea it did
cinder relic
It was like 0.2% better or something
rich moon
just not really used :v
restive obsidian
Can you cancel killing spree now
sour gulch
AURA
glass mortar
i mean trickster also simmed better in aoe
all of s1
people forget that
it just wasnt enough for anyone to suffer thru it
vivid vessel
especially with more UB procs
ye you get so much ub
glass mortar
and it was balls at st
vivid vessel
a lot
glass mortar
wait do i need to factor a fucking raid buff into my haste cap now
BLIZZARD
WHAT IS THIS
royal hollow
maybe ks cancel in subterfuge 
glass mortar
surely this is just a self buff for the dk
astral wind
We got that animation yet or is it time to pass out and wait for it tomorrow?
glass mortar
pins brother
azure vortex
This is coming on s3 right
glass mortar
ye
cedar kernel
yea
torpid fiber
surely this is just a self buff for the dk
I read it as just a personal talent
gaunt phoenix
nice
sour gulch
they should buff reapers mark thto
sour gulch
that's not even close
glass mortar
yea i mean this looks like a mega nerf
glass mortar
surely thats not enough compensation
fossil lintel
first scythe pretty much had 0% chance
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix fb might be cracked tho
gaunt phoenix
i dont remember them ever directly addressing variance
vivid vessel
like
gaunt phoenix
nice
vivid vessel
its so werid
sour gulch
what is fb
vivid vessel
you have no idea its happening
sour gulch
facebook?
gusty cipher
Finally this bullshit fucking spell is reworked
vivid vessel
but like
i dont see it happen
which is mega weird
you get more adr casts
basically
and it feeds into itself a bit
idk
i cant see it happening cause im not even tracking coins
and there is 0 feedbacks
glass mortar
first scythe pretty much had 0% chance
what?
glass mortar
brother the first scythe is the onle one that can apply it
this is just them removing the ability to chain reapers marks
instead u get a guarenteed kb proc
craggy quiver
can u grapple durirng ks?
sour gulch
bro doesn't this mean that fatebound is just way better in raid now?
than trickster
with the 4p
severe grove
Time for Killing Spree?!
glass mortar
why
fossil lintel
there was some scaling rng bullshit that made it so the first one had close to 0% chance or something, they explained it better on DK discord
glass mortar
trickster 4pce also looks really good
sullen wyvern
glass mortar
i mean it still led to nutty variance their highroll potential was absurd
mild vigil
trickster 4pce also looks really good
return of the king
fossil lintel
Oh it's the first one after a proc
sour gulch
i mean it still led to nutty variance their highroll potential was absurd
yeah I once had 4 reaper's mark procs in a row, that was crazy
craggy quiver
yea insane lmao
sour gulch
very huge variance
craggy quiver
bug turrn into tierr set
proven ocean
Tier sets up now?
carmine verge
from wishing KB was deleted from existence to hoping it's still the top pick next season
cinder relic
Who knows
carmine verge
sour gulch
what do you think of the fdk rework @glass mortar
vivid vessel
nah im sleeping man
proven ocean
Ok
vivid vessel
its already late
lean bronze
POG
craggy quiver
they need to update KS logo
toxic umbra
I hope they change it so we can kick during Killing Spree.
Like warriors can during bladestorm
craggy quiver
lol
plain mango
Holy that KS change, azeroth is healing
keen belfry
the fatebound tier soudns really interesting
am i reading it as. if you have coin, you basically have 100% uptime on GS and AR
like their base CD is reduced?
vivid vessel
Hm, I'm happy but I'm also so disappointed man it's just a weird feeling
keen belfry
with 2pc GS looks like 100% uptime anyways
knotty needle
Holy that KS change, azeroth is healing
yeah from swinging our weapons to using guns
in other words
what sword?
crimson thicket
PEW PEW
harsh forge
We are so back
lone crow
Hm, I'm happy but I'm also so disappointed man it's just a weird feeling
first iteration of the spell, i think it has potential
vivid vessel
I imagined myself running full speed around mobs
haughty wigeon
ithink your just used to things being giga fast
vivid vessel
Blazing
crimson thicket
does it scale with haste like current KS?
keen belfry
Hm, I'm happy but I'm also so disappointed man it's just a weird feeling
is this in regards to KS?
craggy quiver
yea maybe need haste
vivid vessel
ithink your just used to things being giga fast
I mean it's outlaw tho
knotty needle
yeah wouldnt it be hilarious if they reworked it and it sucked and nobody used it
haughty wigeon
I mean it's outlaw tho
and ks is fast for outlaw
vivid vessel
yea maybe need haste
Bro we are at 20%
vivid vessel
and ks is fast for outlaw
What
harsh forge
i’ve been saying for months it should be miss fortune ult from league but now we are reaper from
overwatch
craggy quiver
i mean that animation
drowsy slate
anyone has a clip of the new killing spree animation?
cedar kernel
any brothers doing ptr keys
haughty wigeon
but your used to a level of speed due to your game play with high level keys
craggy quiver
unless u did yourrself testing
vivid vessel
What
crimson thicket
vivid vessel
Idk what I'm reading rn
crimson thicket
@drowsy slate
vivid vessel
I mean is it really tho
crimson thicket
it looks fine to me, old KS was always jarring
haughty wigeon
but not fast for you cause your used to more .sseocnd gameplay due to the nature of high key combat
vivid vessel
It feels like fist of flurry is what I mean
crimson thicket
and it does more damage and gives CP back. looks like a big W
vivid vessel
First of furry doesn't feel fast
carmine verge
It feels like fist of flurry is what I mean
POG
proper veldt
called it cuh
vivid vessel
The channel is fast
remote pecan
ahh man world server down just as i logged in to try pressing the new KS button for myself
vivid vessel
Not the animation
glass mortar
what do you think of the fdk rework <@185854083964469249>
what the fuck is this breath of cindy
glass mortar
someone was doing drugs in the kitchen
sour gulch
@vivid vessel what if killing spree pauses AR?
glass mortar
im willing to try it tho it sounds interesting
gusty cipher
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> what if killing spree pauses AR?
Ye there is also that
glass mortar
more direct rotation control of resource flow vs rng procs for frost could be sick
vivid vessel
I don't like how it interact with adr
glass mortar
along with super flexible cds
vivid vessel
Where you are just losing 1/4 of your ade for free
glass mortar
yea i mean fdk isnt exactly turbo fast an empower wouldnt disrupt the flow too much
probably feels like ww
vivid vessel
But also I still don't really understand why it scales up with cps
glass mortar
and the ability to choose a cd for cindy
vivid vessel
It feels like you are punished again
covert kestrel
Where you are just losing 1/4 of your ade for free
i wonder if we hold adr now instead of insta pop cause we will be dropping more?
vivid vessel
Like you would rather have a short channel
glass mortar
zac why do i feel like this ability is designed to be cancelled early whenever it caps u on cp
celest cobalt
is 11.2 ptr up or just avail for download?
sour gulch
I don't like how it interact with adr
Me neither, that's the worst part imo, a spec like this that is very reliant on a CD like this having the longest cast from any other melee is insane IMO
vivid vessel
Also you overcap infinite cp with the channel
glass mortar
yea
vivid vessel
So might not even be worth to press at max cp
But I'm definitely never supercharging that shit man
Idk
glass mortar
i mean do we want that
cinder relic
NEW GAMEPLAY
glass mortar
do we want it to be optimal to cancel kspree
im not saying its a bad thing necessarily
vivid vessel
Bro it's not about that guy
glass mortar
just seems like it could be something we do
glass mortar
hows it gunna feel ig
vivid vessel
Rather than the opposite
vivid vessel
- again how does that work in m+ like
sour gulch
for changes
vivid vessel
I can't kidney ever basically
frank finch
nah we back zac
sour gulch
I think they should actually increase the cd of KS
frank finch
we just need to clean around the edges
vivid vessel
Like I was testing it on dummies
vivid vessel
You cast it often often
covert kestrel
low cp finisher 
vivid vessel
Like
glass mortar
i mean this thing is infinity better then lives
cinder relic
My only defense of anything is going to be that every patch the spec has changed in ways that make the rotation feel "Different" and that difference is viewed negatively a lot of the time on the initial draft. Remember shit like Supercharger, or even this tier set + sleight being "Oh just reroll spam feels terrible"
glass mortar
anyone who denys that is crazy
vivid vessel
It's better than live ye
sour gulch
there are a lot of things to do
covert kestrel
My only defense of anything is going to be that every patch the spec has changed...
both of those things are still contentious on whether they feel good tho lol
vivid vessel
I just don't wanna spend half my time in a channel you know
sour gulch
that's fair
cinder relic
both of those things are still contentious on whether they feel good tho lol
But supercharger "Felt bad" and then people liked it. This tier set "felt bad" and then ppl liked it
silver sluice
thats fair but the spec needs some apm reduction imo and this is one way to do it
vivid vessel
Do people like sc
glass mortar
who
vivid vessel
You either don't notice it
glass mortar
likes supercharger
sour gulch
I like sc
covert kestrel
bring back ER
keen belfry
Supercharger is banger, this tier set is not banger
glass mortar
supercharged doesnt even effect the rotation as trickster
it is a literal passive
lol
r people fans of this
i still miss er
its not awful
like its nothing
covert kestrel
we lost nuance in the rotation with that change from ER
glass mortar
theres no gameplay there
w/e
we get more cdr on average and thats fine but it doesnt thrill me
vivid vessel
I mean idk SC just create obscure rules
That you don't really feel
Like ye I sc vanihs when I play fateboudn
Or with trickster I don't wanna SC ks or I die
proven ocean
zac why do u like to type idk alot
gaunt phoenix
i think the ks noise is too quiet
glass mortar
yea SC is rng on whether im paying attention and die to a ks that lasts too long
proven ocean
every conversation has atleast idk in it zac
covert kestrel
zac why do u like to type idk alot
he types the same as you do just strings together whole sentences
proven ocean
glass mortar
thats its full impact on my rotation as trickster
vivid vessel
every conversation has atleast idk in it zac
Idk
worldly shale
what in tarnation is this
bright crane
What if FB ends up being the crackshot hero talent and trickster is the KS no crackshot hero talent
vivid vessel
Ye right
glass mortar
now im not gunna cry about it. like i said supercharger is fine
bright crane
Ppl wanted a non-crackshot build
worldly shale
crack my nuts amiright
hollow temple
Are these people in the room with us?
ripe ibex
who’s people
vivid vessel
Bro we are not playing a non crackshot build dude
hollow temple
vivid vessel
This shit isn't happening until they actually change things
covert kestrel
now im not gunna cry about it. like i said supercharger is fine
itd be funny if we just always sent at like 3-4cp in order to reduce ADR downtime and so we had a mid combo finisher, that could be cool
vivid vessel
That's not gonna magically happen
vivid vessel
itd be funny if we just always sent at like 3-4cp in order to reduce ADR downtim...
Except you have 0 control over your cp gen rn
You can't stop it
proven ocean
@vivid vessel how did u fix ur dc's
late swallow
SC bad, old ER good
glass mortar
hmm
late swallow
covert kestrel
Except you have 0 control over your cp gen rn
SHIV BACK IN TOWN
glass mortar
if i take this ability to just basically be a flat 25% buff on ksprees raw damage
idk how its scaled exactly on ptr
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> how did u fix ur dc's
I didn't stay in dornogal
fervent nest
Is Outlaw good yet?
vivid vessel
I mean it also generate cps so it's quite strong supposedly
glass mortar
yea
im just trying to feelycraft
if we might cancel it
like if u get a 2 cp refund when u cast it and have broadside
this thing probably overcaps u in 1 gcd
cinder relic
The fact that the duration is longer is a bit "worse" but it giving CP makes it a bit better, even if it means u want to avoid SCing KS for it
It also slows down the spec for noobs a bit more
More breaks
proven ocean
do WAs work @vivid vessel cuz they dont work for me weird
torpid fiber
New KS looks so cool I'm actually so hyped
proven ocean
maybe cuz my WAs are new
glass mortar
tbh i think id be down with cancelling it as gameplay
late swallow
KS duration scaling with mastery? Thoughts?
haughty wigeon
dh third spec all but confirmed i guess
late swallow
Woah
covert kestrel
KS duration scaling with mastery? Thoughts?
scaling down 
fervent nest
@hollow temple 
late swallow
covert kestrel
same damage but lowers cast time
peak crow
The fact that the duration is longer is a bit "worse" but it giving CP makes it ...
CDs prolly a lil short for the duration now, likely to go up some, dmg up if needed. Hopefully a good CD-worthy moment, and not spam-all-the-time thing
cinder relic
Badass
glass mortar
that sounds amazing, now imagine that with two charges
late swallow
worldly shale
KS duration scaling with mastery? Thoughts?
yes, we need -mastery
remote pecan
ok i pressed KS im a fan, any1 know if theres an npc for the new tier sets?
frank finch
would we then need a more reliable way to get unseen blades procs
glass mortar
reducing how often we cast it with this new tier set flow definitly feels like it would help
covert kestrel
would we then need a more reliable way to get unseen blades procs
tru
glass mortar
rotation feels very panicky on ptr
u just waste blades uncontrollably alot more often and that never feels good
vivid vessel
that sounds amazing, now imagine that with two charges
I mean
How does trickster works then
Cause like for this to be meaningful you at least double ks cd
cedar kernel
does ptr havent open M+ yet?
vivid vessel
And then you kinda brick trickster
covert kestrel
put the unseen blade procs back on feint
vivid vessel
Reminder ks gives you ub
glass mortar
well if u made it a 2m cd its cadence would match vanishes
fathom bramble
just make it give more ub appropriate for the CD increase
covert kestrel
just make it give more ub appropriate for the CD increase
we cap at 3 rn right?
vivid vessel
well if u made it a 2m cd its cadence would match vanishes
It's what 1min 30rn?
glass mortar
yea
vivid vessel
I mean 2 min wouldn't change shit
glass mortar
so it floats around the duration of ur vanish charges rn
2m and it would always line up with them
vivid vessel
I more imagined 4 min cd
peak crow
rotation feels very panicky on ptr
yeah give it some play and make a feedback post (@ anyone)... but I could see this being the case. Current 2pc for Trickster definitely getting judged
vivid vessel
Otherwise you won't feel a diff
fathom bramble
we cap at 3 rn right?
cap can always be higher though right
surreal flower
how does the chance 2pc work with the free unseen blades from hitting KS?
vivid vessel
2 min is still a ks every 20s tho weran
glass mortar
well idk the problem rn is u run into unpleasant forced overlaps of kspree cd and vanish cd right
glass mortar
casting it less often but more powerful would also make the increased duration less costly
ripe ibex
yeah it’s gonna be like ~15% of the dungeon is ks now
peak crow
how does the chance 2pc work with the free unseen blades from hitting KS?
unrelated, the KS free ones operate independently from the normal CD of unseen blades
vivid vessel
The overlap is weird but it's manageable once you get rid of one of your vanish charge
ornate kernel
Just coming here to say im so happy with the KS rework, omg
glass mortar
ok realz i have one last greedy thing to say
vivid vessel
unrelated, the KS free ones operate independently from the normal CD of unseen b...
Xd, need to update the weak aura I guess
glass mortar
any chance kspree animation can just override melee animations
it looks a little silly u cancel half the attacks to mg
grim spear
ks
glass mortar
i wanna just unload
indigo token
Just coming here to say im so happy with the KS rework, omg
its peam
grim spear
holy
red zinc
it looks a little silly u cancel half the attacks to mg
good idea
vivid vessel
casting it less often but more powerful would also make the increased duration l...
And you are still bricking trickster tho as I said
You can't really increase ks cd without nerfing the trickster loop a lot
worldly shale
how long does it take to copy a character damn
glass mortar
just buff the static unseen blade proc rate to compensate
more coups that u just generate
less from kspree
vivid vessel
Ye I mean
glass mortar
i mean idk if this is better design
next wedge
where that stealth macro at
glass mortar
i think thats the way ud do it tho
glass mortar
if u wanted a longer cd higher impact kspree
late swallow
Realz blessing us with some knawledge
glass mortar
well
latent oak
im sorry you hate everything zac
vivid vessel
As pressing ks and getting your 2 things
glass mortar
coup feels 100% better if u make it so unseen can continue to stack towards a second coup
vivid vessel
Yes
fathom bramble
true
vivid vessel
Except that's not possible so
covert kestrel
facts
glass mortar
that is basically completely fixed
vivid vessel
Ah ye sure
fathom bramble
if unseen keeps stacking you could even let KS give something really high like 4 without a problem
red zinc
the technology in its current state might not be there
fathom bramble
double the CD, double the UB
red zinc
since your cloned coup also makes it so you still cant generate new ub stacks
vivid vessel
the technology in its current state might not be there
Ye doesn't exist for half of the hero trees
I mean idk
glass mortar
what if u just made it so kspree generated and shot unseen blades u had so u would just build > kspree > max coup out of it
vivid vessel
I'm still playing outlaw
glass mortar
red zinc
man
vivid vessel
Idk why it can't just be a shorter cast if it's gonna be a cast
red zinc
I wanted to check out the artifact cloak
vivid vessel
?
red zinc
but the questline for it is too long for me to ptr game i think
vivid vessel
Like it's not wind walker monk
red zinc
im not questing an hour for it
latent oak
ya the cast is a bit long
vivid vessel
A cast is still weird on outlaw
And having the longest melee cast
Of all meelee
On outlaw
The fastest melee
?
lost slate
so you can rest your fingers
cinder relic
Thats probably the exact reason why its longer
fathom bramble
pausing the spec isn't really a good way to slow it down since your actual speed is basically still the same
bright crane
So you can respond to more chat while you’re streaming
fathom bramble
I don't think any spec in the game even has a 5 second base cast time cast either
surreal flower
what about remove the cp gen but make AR pause during KS?
vivid vessel
I mean I still don't really get why more cps = longer tho
glass mortar
i can see the merits of it slowing down the spec for newer players... i am of the opinion if that gameplay if possibly forced (like if trickster remains lightyears ahead in aoe) it feels like shit tho
covert kestrel
pausing ADR would be the dreeeeeam
vivid vessel
Cause that's just a punishment in the end
red zinc
i slightly get it now that it gives CP back
glass mortar
casting long cast time abilities like hitting a brick wall as outlaw
red zinc
but still not super intuitive
vivid vessel
i can see the merits of it slowing down the spec for newer players... i am of th...
I mean lok is right tho
You aren't slowing down the spec
You are just pausing it for a few secs
The spec is still the same fast
glass mortar
well wdym u arent slowing it down
trickster is like 5 apm slower
then our builds have been
vivid vessel
It's not a real slowing down
glass mortar
all expac
worldly shale
its 5 apm slower because u stop for like 3 seconds XD
vivid vessel
You just pause for a bit every so often
indigo token
i mean to me I think its kind of like convoke where it's a reprieve. I think I like it. I'll have to try it out tho
covert kestrel
it sounds like youre arguing to actually slow our gameplay tho lol
glass mortar
i mean u dont need to slow down every portion of the rotation, slowing it down generally with these breathers also makes it easier
doing the first one makes it waaaaay easier
vivid vessel
How
red zinc
omg
vivid vessel
I don't see how this makes it easier
keen belfry
I’m down to a little chill 2 seconds every 20
vivid vessel
But also you don't need 4 secondes dude
2 would be fine
Like the animation is good
There
I have seen it
2 more seconds of it ?
I'm good
keen belfry
Oh what’s KS Max channel time ?
keen belfry
Ew
vivid vessel
Sorry
vivid vessel
5s is like
proper bear
Gonna be hasted right?
vivid vessel
So fucking long man
fathom bramble
Gonna be hasted right?
yees
cinder relic
1 SECOND
indigo token
I will say
keen belfry
That’s channel time does seem excessive
indigo token
it's strange that it regens combo points
covert kestrel
whats the longest cast in the game currently
fathom bramble
it's not really about the 1 second when people said old KS was too long too
fathom bramble
convoke and pyroblast are 4 seconds
vivid vessel
maybe its so that you can enter vanish with full CP
No lol
Cause after ks
You have coup
keen belfry
it's not really about the 1 second when people said old KS was too long too
He won’t read this lmao, he will somehow assume we thought old KS duration was fine so the difference isn’t big
vivid vessel
So you need to finish
indigo token
oh right
keen belfry
It’s guy bro
keen belfry
Guy contrarian
vivid vessel
For trickster gameplay
vivid vessel
Guy contrarian
I mean Dude send one word just to clown on me
Acting as if my complaint
Is not valid
Idk
covert kestrel
Guy contrarian
THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS
keen belfry
A 25% (maybe math is wrong) increased duration to an already too long ability is a valid complaint
haughty wigeon
odds are its going to be lowered
keen belfry
But I say this, new KS is so much better
fathom bramble
idk my feedback about the cast time is basically the same on both spells
haughty wigeon
you can yap here tho
proper bear
Criticisms are valid, and giving feedback is important, but I’m very grateful for the change. It looks so much better than it was
fathom bramble
you shouldn't havee spells that have a cast over 2 gcds very ofteen
haughty wigeon
just like yap there too
haughty wigeon
yes
fathom bramble
and this one is 5 gcds during AR at 25% haste
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
I'm eu
indigo token
Criticisms are valid, and giving feedback is important, but I’m very grateful fo...
we should gaslight blizzard into thinking we liked the old KS
haughty wigeon
make na account to type in na forums
vivid vessel
Stop telling me to type in forums
tight egret
They'll lower it. Just keep complaining lol
haughty wigeon
or have someone send feedback for u
im not just telling you
im telling like alot of people
haughty wigeon
cause they sadly listen to forum posters in feedback thread
woeful otter
is this new KS AOE spell？
vivid vessel
I don't have an na account
indigo token
is this new KS AOE spell？
its the same as old ks
haughty wigeon
hence why er was removed and whatnot
indigo token
just use Blade Flurry
woeful otter
OKOK
haughty wigeon
just make feedback clear and to the point
worldly shale
lets protest
haughty wigeon
i will post that in feedback forum
haughty wigeon
make it shorter by 1 second
craggy barn
new ks is nice, but in rotation feels a bit clunky with cp gen and lining up coup
haughty wigeon
i mean again he can say something but hes part of a team
craggy barn
i think id rather it have no cp gen
vivid vessel
You spend cps
haughty wigeon
and theres been multiple times a change happened throguht player forum feedback
vivid vessel
Get back the same cps
covert kestrel
That the channel was too long
well he also mentioned looking at trickster 2p so if they cook on UB then his original statement might be fine
vivid vessel
Hmge
haughty wigeon
for example he said that df havoc tier will never come back
its now a talent capstone
fathom bramble
I think the channel time is too long for any reasonable CD to justify it
like convoke is 2 minutes
worldly shale
a cd cp generator, hmmm
that could be fun
haughty wigeon
keep in mind im not saying dont yap here, by all means its valid
fathom bramble
in order for us to match that CD on our long cast you would need it to be like 10min baseline
haughty wigeon
im just saying dont just yap here
vivid vessel
I would be fine if I was pressing it every 2 real minutes
haughty wigeon
yap there too
bright crane
Why not just take it off restless?
vivid vessel
You would also need it to give 50 ubs
fathom bramble
you would have to move trickster to GS
vivid vessel
That doesn't change anything
bright crane
But I guess all the UB stuff from KS would get cooked
vivid vessel
you would have to move trickster to GS
Ok sure yes
fathom bramble
and since GS is at the ebottom of the tree
runic gulch
Ah
fathom bramble
and inconvenienet for ho that's kind of bad
runic gulch
woeful otter
when will is change on live？11.17 or11.2
runic gulch
glorious
woeful otter
OMG
vivid vessel
and since GS is at the ebottom of the tree
You seen fatebound
I guess they want to make fb the st thing
fathom bramble
yeah...
woeful otter
wrong type haha
late swallow
Bro shortened half that sentence
fathom bramble
I've always thought that when a tierset interacts with a specific talent that it should just also grant the talent for free as a 2pc or something
vivid vessel
Bro shortened half that sentence
I'm good right
fathom bramble
but that's not too damaging for fatebound rn since it's dog in aoe anyway
eager rose
this is real?
vivid vessel
Even ho could take it for 0 price
But idk
Lok
What do you think of the animation
craggy barn
the price is energy
fathom bramble
I like it
vivid vessel
Idk how to describe
craggy barn
not polished
fathom bramble
it just gets janky if MG goes off
vivid vessel
I can get used to it tho
Gauche you mean
Idk it feels like graves right
While we are fiora
Thoughts ?
late swallow
Oh my gauche
vivid vessel
You get me or what
fossil lintel
the rogue tier set is so boring
void canopy
now KS feels like a skill of retail and not a timetraveled thing of LK
fossil lintel
like appearance wise
vivid vessel
Isn't it the same shit as s1