outlaw

[proven ocean]

real talk

[quaint sable]

Whenever a trinket needs a WA its mostly one of those op trinkets

[glass mortar]

well it didnt hit dead targets tho

it didnt aoe for outlaw remember

[proven ocean]

i did notice bleed for outlaw hitting sometimes double the amount of some other pulls

[haughty wigeon]

ye

[glass mortar]

u couldnt proc the bleed off bf

[proven ocean]

but

for sub

it was consistent

[haughty wigeon]

doesnt matter tho

[proven ocean]

wtf

i still remember it now

[haughty wigeon]

point was trinkets wer efunner

[glass mortar]

only way to "aoe" with it was to mouseover SS

[proven ocean]

not even kidding

[glass mortar]

[haughty wigeon]

like stat trinkets alwaysa exist inb4 someone says "ashes of the embersoul" or chromatic orb

but like there was other options then w/e we have now

[quaint sable]

That + exoplo actually made me make a mouseover ss

[glass mortar]

trinkets r turbo shit this tier so its a bad time to compare tbh

they havent been amazing this expac but this season especially

very boring as law

i mean magnets kinda fun

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

[glass mortar]

just wish optimizing it mattered more

[haughty wigeon]

s1

is just as shit

[glass mortar]

or bsically at all

[haughty wigeon]

only solid one was mad queens

and you still had some stat one dumpstering it

[indigo token]

whos ready for old hillsbrad foothills next season

[haughty wigeon]

:)

how strong was this one?

[glass mortar]

bis for us

1 or 2 others might have used it

[haughty wigeon]

was it?

i saw rogues dump it for transmitter

[covert kestrel]

Not law lmao

[glass mortar]

outlaw didnt use transmitter

[haughty wigeon]

regardless how much of a overal damage increase was it

i honestly dont remember

but im sure it was idk

[frank finch]

is charged blots doing alot of dmg a general thing or is it outlaw doiung wierd things again

[haughty wigeon]

5%

[haughty wigeon]

in general

bugged, enjoy

[keen belfry]

outlaw rogue transmitter angle 😮

[covert kestrel]

Rest in piss transmitter

Fuck that trinket

[haughty wigeon]

i want sark orb back

[proven ocean]

dogshit

one of the worst trinkets

[haughty wigeon]

before it was gutted

[proven ocean]

ive ever seen

[haughty wigeon]

:)

but its bis for outlaw

[civic zephyr]

Is eye of kezan our BiS for raiding?

[proven ocean]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

not really unless the fight is super long

[indigo token]

transmitter sounded like ass ngl

[proven ocean]

transmitter was turbo op

but

for outlaw it was ok

[indigo token]

its funny how we're one of the only dps that doesnt use on use trinkets

[proven ocean]

magnet is rly good

very good infact

[civic zephyr]

So what are you guys using for your trinkets in raid?

[proven ocean]

u can lign up its usage for when adds spawn

so that it pulses 10%

of its dmg

[glass mortar]

magnet/goonsquad is what i use in raid

[wintry solar]

Jokes on you, I run double on use.

[indigo token]

pace and geargrinder

[nocturne sun]

what titan disc you guys using for outlaw

[hollow temple]

[gaunt phoenix]

it did 3.2% overall in a rando ML 12

seems double than expected

[rigid basin]

Lmaoooo

[quaint sable]

I had fth 1 point and I got to 6 stacks of oppertunity during a key was really weird.

[glass mortar]

was 4.4% for me on vexie

which seems... to be as expected?

[rigid basin]

I mean was supposed to be ~4% at 701 so still higher?

[glass mortar]

was it supposed to be 4% or a 4% dps gain

not the same thing since it has no secondaries on it

needs to do a bit more then 4% of ur dps to be a 4% gain

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/daladada-cat-crying-cry-scream-gif-24748831

[sharp hinge]

is the belt even worth getting

[glass mortar]

yes

bis at 691 ilvl and its only going to increase

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[rigid basin]

[gaunt phoenix]

this is Dslice, so maybe not double

[sharp hinge]

#1 delve fan in the name

[ripe ibex]

which one is that

[rigid basin]

Bolts

[indigo token]

[glass mortar]

what

[indigo token]

is it safe to assume this high of a proc rate is a bug tho

[glass mortar]

it was bis in sims with the listed proc rate

if its truly bugged then its turbo bis

the sims in the pins are the spelldata proc rate

[proven ocean]

not bad 2.7m st

@vivid vessel

i highrolled well no cappi

ngl i think i play outlaw very well now

[gaunt phoenix]

but still look at this log with charged bolts https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d7JxfV6aBrDHCXkz?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=3

Vs charged crystal https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d7JxfV6aBrDHCXkz?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

[proven ocean]

no dmg multiplier shit ofc

i dont use that

[glass mortar]

uhhhhh

259 hits

thats what

51 procs

over 26 minutes

maybe thats not outlandish actually

[gaunt phoenix]

like those procs are projected to do the same overall in keys

[glass mortar]

yea ok i dont even know how to look up the spelldata for this nonsense

cant find charged crystal

[gaunt phoenix]

for HO it should have like just under 2 rppm

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have standard haste

[glass mortar]

what is happening here

procs must be able to overlap

[gaunt phoenix]

overlapping procs yeah

i had 45 procs in 22 min

which is not unusual

[glass mortar]

i wonder if procs cant overlap in raidbots?

i feel like most rppm buffs either pandemic or just overwrite if u get multiple procs like this

[gaunt phoenix]

well

that is a good sign

[glass mortar]

yea procs can definitly overlap without wasting any, thats pretty nice

i mean rppm is high enough it would be kinda oof if they couldnt

[gaunt phoenix]

yep i think it's just the lack of overlapping procs in simc

[high parrot]

i havent even unlocked charged crystal yet and this belt is ripping lol im having a great time

[glass mortar]

well, charged crystal is probably not gunna be an upgrade at this rate xd

[high parrot]

i was looking in here to see how sick crystal was vs bolts but its looking like bolts is just the way to go for m+?

[glass mortar]

bolts everywhere rn probably yea

[high parrot]

that shit is PUMPING LOL its awesome imo

i like having a lil ST dam on rogue

[gaunt phoenix]

Well you are removing stats so it's a little details bait

[glass mortar]

i do wonder if charged is bugged tho

damage on charged seemed turbo low

from the people who tried it

30m over a whole dungeon is wild

[high parrot]

idk im doing more damage in my overalls

[glass mortar]

charged crystal that being

[high parrot]

my brother plays arc mage so when he locks on to something and i get some procs prio mobs just evaporate

[bright crane]

so we sticking with charged bolt?

[glass mortar]

well it likely wont hit ur prio target since its purely random what targets it hits

the more targets u have the less likely it is to hit the one u want

but it do be pumpin

[glass mortar]

ye

[bright crane]

nice

[proven ocean]

btw how come arcane started doing udk overall dps

all of a sudden

been seeing that alot lately

[glass mortar]

in the highest end groups i imagine on some pulls the other players do less aoe (especially pulls onto bosses) so the arcane can funnel more which will increase its overall?

hopeful is also a godgamer tho

[high parrot]

oh damn then hes just POPPING OFF and letting me take some of the credit lol

[glass mortar]

most arcanes i see do piss overall

giga prio damage tho ye

[high parrot]

wait do you think that with carged bolts being this strong its possible that dagger in OH becomes better than cudgel in like 5-8 mob pulls?

[glass mortar]

dagger has no impact on it

so no

[high parrot]

ooooooooooh right im dumb

spells and abilities

[glass mortar]

its rppm it doesnt care how fast ur weapons r

[high parrot]

i'll see myself out

[glass mortar]

its just big pumpin on its own

[high parrot]

i spaced out and started thinking procing off aa

my bad everyone for exposing you to that stupidity i just got a little excited is all

[abstract frost]

whats the prekey fuckery for raid

[proven ocean]

💀 mortiz on outlaw

[abstract frost]

[proven ocean]

its called !prekey

[abstract frost]

i got the thumb from vault

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[proven ocean]

what thumb

[abstract frost]

gallythumb

so i now have a mythic wep for outlaw

[proven ocean]

ah that shit is like 0.2% ahead only

good good tho

i like the wep too

[abstract frost]

better than my crafted

xD

[proven ocean]

idk why zac doesnt play it

its better than all weps

[abstract frost]

prob aoe for mug wep

[proven ocean]

maybe its just worse in aoe i guess

[abstract frost]

but what do i do for raid

do i just rtb and bf

and AR

and go

[proven ocean]

yea u dont need to do special stuff for r1 logs

[glass mortar]

probably not great on short fights either

takes like 4m to stack up?

and even then its barely better then cauldron fist

[gaunt phoenix]

@glass mortar it's not overlapping, but rather it does a 0 tick when the buff is gained or refreshed

so really it is 6 hits per proc

[glass mortar]

ooo

[gaunt phoenix]

• however many refreshes you get while it's already active

[glass mortar]

so refreshing it just gives +1 proc

not +6

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[glass mortar]

sad

hmm when i looked in that log i thought i saw two procs that heavily overlapped and it still hit 10 times over the buff duration, guess it must have just refreshed at a tick interval to only lose 2 procs

[late swallow]

Ross is back!

[near rock]

my dmg on sprocket

[late swallow]

Now we have the #2 rogue around as well

[near rock]

nice belt

[late swallow]

Holy shit haha

That’s kinda giga

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[frail veldt]

8% is so goofy

Prob helps out fatebound more

Cuz they have flat damage amp

Lolol

[frank finch]

looks fine to me

[frail veldt]

Is that for fatebound?

[frank finch]

more haste fmore dmg

or?

[gaunt phoenix]

hold on

[novel timber]

we saw that

[gaunt phoenix]

raidbots didnt catch a new commit

[frail veldt]

He cookin

[gaunt phoenix]

okk

[frail veldt]

Sheeeessh

[long barn]

Can you add another socket to the new belt?

[pliant wave]

It has default socket

[long barn]

Right but can you add another socket second

[pliant wave]

No

[frank finch]

[long barn]

Bah

Charged bolts looks juicyyyy

[midnight granite]

thug hotline sim bait or real

[gaunt phoenix]

D.I.S.C. Belt part 6

Charged Bolts is doing about double its expected damage. In SimC it was missing some extra ticking behavior it does on refresh. This is fixed, and now the fully upgraded belt will be up to an ~8% ST gain and worth ~3% overall in keys.

Similar to Twilight Dev, it is 1.5 rppm which is fairly low, so the proc rate over a short period can vary. Don't be surprised if its damage swings wildly from pull to pull.

Maybe it will get nerfed so use it while it lasts

[twilit vortex]

Can killing spree movement pop mugzee mines?

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[twilit vortex]

a

[gaunt phoenix]

Real in raid

in keys it breaks the event weapon

[midnight granite]

ok

tyty

[random stirrup]

it's doing less than sim damage on sub

[frank finch]

[gaunt phoenix]

the rppm can vary a bit

[torpid fiber]

I wonder if it's vers buffed or something stupid

oh that's a much more likely reason

[rigid basin]

"maybe"

[frail veldt]

Wym everything is

[torpid fiber]

Oh am I stupid

[frail veldt]

Are any procs not vers buffed?

Maybe thug hotline

[torpid fiber]

I was vaguely under the impression stuff wasn't vers buffed for similar reasons GS no longer works on trinkets

That explains a lot though

[gaunt phoenix]

ok the simc people fucked it a bit

it's not 9%

at least not on average

[frank finch]

my sim is 100k dps lower now

[gaunt phoenix]

this is a wild ride i want off

[frank finch]

[bright crane]

bro this stupid belt

get it out of my face

does thisnot proc on dummies?

[frank finch]

no

[bright crane]

what in the sam hill

[fossil lintel]

I've done a carnage heroic where it was ~4% of my damage

so seems that RNG does indeed RNGes

[pliant wave]

Is the damage of Charged Bolts only strong for Outlaw, or does it give an ~8% single-target increase for all specs as well?

[gaunt phoenix]

hold on i jumped the gun a bit

[frank finch]

dammit solo

[fossil lintel]

we saw 1 case and believed it to be the norm

[bright crane]

we were bamboozled

[fossil lintel]

it is SUPER annoying in m+ though

[bright crane]

led astray

[gaunt phoenix]

No we are 7 commits into making it sim correctly

[fossil lintel]

It'll zap things across the room and unstealth you

[bright crane]

if we cant trust solo - who can we trust?

[pliant wave]

of course

[torpid fiber]

"It works this time I hope"
"Nvm but maybe this time"
"I think I've figured it out"
"More bug fixing"
"Yet another try"

commit message type shit

[fossil lintel]

whispyr for sure, have you tried his new game?

[proven ocean]

okk

is it the same for sin

orr just outlaw

?

!

solo

?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

its all fake

[proven ocean]

dont fake me

gonna spread that info rn

no cappi

[glass mortar]

did 5% of my overall on gally

also finally got CE

[frank finch]

[bright crane]

crystal sims .1 % better in aoe 😮

[torpid fiber]

gz!!!

[bright crane]

nothing is making sense!!

im a tornado of emotion

[glass mortar]

i am currently rank 1 on gally this partition

[bright crane]

whirling about

[glass mortar]

😏

(1 of 3 total outlaw kills so far in 11.1.7)

xd

[gaunt phoenix]

i thought it was undersimming

and simc people tried to fix some things

but we fucked it and now ultimately it still like 4% ST

it can just highroll i guess

[midnight granite]

is HO really just that much better in ST?

sadge

[glass mortar]

whats that much

[gaunt phoenix]

not really

[glass mortar]

its like 1% ahead of kir fatebound, 2-2.5% ahead of kir trickster

[midnight granite]

150k?

[glass mortar]

depending on ur gear

[bright crane]

what about aoe? verdict still out?

[gaunt phoenix]

use bolts, i think something is wrong with crystal

[bright crane]

damn

wonder how it was missed in ptr

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm well the bolts doesnt work on dummies

[midnight granite]

this accurate?

[glass mortar]

looks about right

[proven ocean]

[midnight granite]

I don't wanna play HO 😦

[bright crane]

well moreso that something is wrong with crystal

[proven ocean]

yea why not

[glass mortar]

u dont need

[gaunt phoenix]

that's 0.3% dps

[proven ocean]

you'll see KiR still ahead because people dont want to learn HO

and the other way around if KiR is better

ppl play what they play

[bright crane]

in the end

in the club we all fam

[glass mortar]

im so bad at this game man

🥹

idk why my guild keeps me

[frank finch]

[glass mortar]

0% parsing every boss

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22968526

i wish cats tasted good

as good as they look

[neat mist]

They do

[proven ocean]

would've been a good addition to the good food loot table

[proven ocean]

did u try them

[gaunt phoenix]

I just wasted like 4 hours

[neat mist]

I have a friend who has

[proven ocean]

idk i just wanna eat a cat rn

[glass mortar]

trying to figure out if it was bugged solo

[proven ocean]

grilled cat with some seasoning

[glass mortar]

or wrong in simc

[unkempt cypress]

Grilled cat n cheese soup

[gaunt phoenix]

it was wrong in simc a bit

[proven ocean]

u know what

i take it back

[gaunt phoenix]

but 7 commits later it still sims like the same as before

[proven ocean]

i wanna eat solo now

wait that sounds wrong

nvm

[gaunt phoenix]

😨

[midnight granite]

solo did so much work it brought him back to where he started

I'm gonna be the first outlaw to kill sprocket with ks

[unkempt cypress]

Even tastier when you've raised them - like you're also eating memories.

[gaunt phoenix]

okk

didn't have to reply to your own message about eating cats

made it weird !

[glass mortar]

hmm

[unkempt cypress]

I've saved many cats from mills. Gave them a few good years.

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm rescuing a cat this weekend

[long barn]

What’s the verdict on bolts

8 or 4%

[gaunt phoenix]

it's all fake

i think it's 4% average

but it can highroll

for now

[long barn]

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i should not have shared the troubleshooting process in real time

[long barn]

It’s all goochie

[bright crane]

whats bugged about crystal/

just undertuned?

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure

not doing as much overall as bolts

but they should be the same

[bright crane]

lol so i looked in the "best titen disc effects" wowhead article

bolt is best for 99% of dps

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[bright crane]

good work blizz 👍

[fossil lintel]

huh

last boss of CM

[gaunt phoenix]

link

[ripe ibex]

okay

[fossil lintel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AW9yhpR2QgGdawPK?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=17&pull=6

[ripe ibex]

it’s gotta be bugged

[fossil lintel]

linked the wrong fight

swap to last boss

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean i dont think so

it did 3% overall which is like

[glass mortar]

probably just a highroll

[fossil lintel]

yeah overall 3%

[gaunt phoenix]

kind of expected

[fossil lintel]

Also if you have any tips to help me, appreciate it <3

[glass mortar]

on that particular boss

[ripe ibex]

i mean it having that much variation

[glass mortar]

it was 6% for me on cauldron

[gaunt phoenix]

that fight

[glass mortar]

i mean its a mid rppm proc, it has a fair amount of variance

since overlapping procs munch some effectivness part of its variance is probably not overlapping procs tbh

its rppm will be pretty decent during lust

[gaunt phoenix]

that's 13 procs in 2:51s

[random stirrup]

13 procs in 3mins with 1.5ppm

such a disgusting addition

[fossil lintel]

did rng rnged good?

[gaunt phoenix]

looks like it

3.2% overall is what my keys were at too

it's like slightly higher than expected

idk why tho

[fossil lintel]

in my case it's probably because I'm bad

[fathom whale]

How much overall % is junk magnet doing for yall

[glass mortar]

in dungeons? like 2-2.5%

[gaunt phoenix]

like 2%

[fathom whale]

m true

[rocky kiln]

Is charged bolts the play for keys?

[cinder relic]

Probs

[ruby mauve]

dumb question but why do people take junk magnet? Mechano core amplifier sims better for me but I'm still stuck with hero trinkets I took a long break, but the thing tims like 2% lower for dungeon slice for me. Is it got single target??

[gaunt phoenix]

seems like it

[ruby mauve]

or is it just better at myth

[sudden fulcrum]

does it still pull you out of stealth and pull random mobs?

that doesn't seem very good for m+

[gaunt phoenix]

it didnt for me, maybe it was changed or false reporting

[random stirrup]

single target and it abuses damage amp phases very well which are generally one of outlaws weaknesses

[sudden fulcrum]

that is good to hear

[ruby mauve]

makes sense, reminds me of grieftorch but not as broken lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

amplifier is not super notable for a geared profile https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qvDCypr1jg8JSjJTwVBWYJ

oh ye cause it cant be mythic track

[ruby mauve]

damn my trinks are ass

this is sad lol

[crimson thicket]

does geargrinder's spare keys work on bandit

quick i forgot and we bout to pull

[fossil lintel]

I was doing the arathi Highlands quests with the belt

That thing is really trigger happy

[sudden fulcrum]

tanks are gonna love the bonus count

[fossil lintel]

It zapped something I wasn't in combat with right after I stealth over and over

[random stirrup]

ML 12 💯

[sullen walrus]

where i can get this quest?

[cinder oxide]

for the belt or for the arathi storyline

the arathi quest is at the hub next to the flightmaster with the big fancy quest marker, the belt is in the delve hub the little dwarf boy

[wintry solar]

Whats new about the charged delves

[cinder oxide]

swirlies

[wintry solar]

:OO

Brand new to wow frfr

[sullen walrus]

rip hekili players?

[sullen walrus]

thanks!

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry are you good bro

[keen belfry]

u ever raid on a 9% IPA into 3 moscow muels

home made

so its for sure more than 1 shot

[keen belfry]

NA LFG must feel my wrath

[warm remnant]

does charged bolts ninja pull everything in dungeons aswell

[fossil lintel]

With the one armed npc that gives the weekly quests in dornhub

[fresh acorn]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[stuck patrol]

Question: Why is a hero track Turbo-drain 5000 simming .4% higher than a myth track geargrinders?

Is turbo that good? Doesn't seem to do that much damage when I look at details

[warm remnant]

honestly its nice

[bright crane]

It’s nice innit

[unkempt cypress]

J

[dim widget]

Did you sim both at max upgrade lvls?

[frank finch]

doing lore walker cho stuff in shadowlands

i dont want to leave

😥

[lapis mango]

Hello. Basically, we use charged bolts in any scenario on the new belt right?

[crimson thicket]

my first R1 that has undoubetedly already been beat (OAB)

[vivid vessel]

Well it's a new partition

[fluid meadow]

new feature after black screen wow details broken?

[plucky sonnet]

new moss update actually

[vivid vessel]

Are you eating it after

[torpid fiber]

they're just making it easier to edit in a background later on 🙂

[stuck patrol]

yup lol

[dim widget]

That is weird indeed

[delicate seal]

I miss gt

[stable lichen]

any information on the belt ninja pulling or randomly blasting stuff while tank gathers and brings u out of stealth? done a few keys and its happened to break some CCs too like on rookery 1st boss or motherload 3rd boss

[vivid vessel]

No waeeeee

I fucking hate blizzard

Not being able to make one thing work properly man

[stable lichen]

i don't think its ever ninja pulled i should clarify...i havent paid too much attention cause its catching me off guard. but tank will pull and ill just zap the fk outta something while twiddling thumbs in stealth.

[vivid vessel]

Ye I mean

The ring

Worked the same way

If someone died and you had the ring

It would send zap at any target

[tender wedge]

Yeah it’s crazy zappy

Probably gonna play crystal for now

[stable lichen]

i think i will likely do the same. its happened in every key ive done so far and i know once it bricks me once im gonna be sadge.

[vivid vessel]

Soo

We either play a st zap that isn't st because it proc on random targets, even cced targets

Or we play a very bad split AOE proc

Yes yes

I like it

Ty blizzard

[hot olive]

[vivid vessel]

For the great addition to the game

I'm very happy

Dogshit company can't even make procs

After making the same type of items

5 tiers in a row btw

They still fuck it up

Xd

[hot olive]

that shit isnt gonna make u guyz do higher keys right?

not that strong

[vivid vessel]

It's gonna make us do lower keys

If it break ccs

[hot olive]

[vivid vessel]

I mean idk

[hot olive]

goodluck delving lol

[vivid vessel]

This shit is wack man

Why can't they get anything right

Like no one wanted this dogshit dude

[upper hazel]

i miss my belt with 1300 krit and versa...

[vivid vessel]

Ye now instead you play a belt that will body pull everything

Break stealth

Do damage to random mobs

Be a loss in AOE

[hot olive]

oh noo i hate that

[vivid vessel]

Is it even worth equipping

Xd

[stable lichen]

3.6% of my dmg in my 18 motherload tho....

[wintry solar]

A good mog does that too

[vivid vessel]

To random mobs

Nice

It probably went on the non damage amped add everytime

[fluid meadow]

remember sarkareth back, shroud and dropping stealth

[wintry solar]

Remember yesterday when we didn't have the belt?

[stable lichen]

@vivid vessel not random! it goes straight into the CC'd ordinance specialist

🙂

[wintry solar]

I have an idea

[vivid vessel]

Nice!

This is very good!

[wintry solar]

Take Sting and spam tf outta cheap shot

This is my cook of the week

Surely and I mean surely a mob that's been cheaped will get hit

[vivid vessel]

Nah but idk

This thing is basically useless whenever there is more than 1 target

It surely can't be good

[wintry solar]

I'm keeping my belt until delve belt gets better or I start to feel fomo

[vale warren]

I mean

Shitty split aoe still sims higher than a normal belt no?

[wintry solar]

Not when I'm dooming

[vale warren]

How long does it take to get the belt btw

[mighty pivot]

depends on how impatient your father is with you

[vivid vessel]

well solo is saying it performs worse than expected

and tis not great

[wintry solar]

I love how often that joke gets made in the class discords

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty pivot]

mfw I get baited by the item icon but it's actually the mastery chest piece in my vault

[upper hazel]

i was a bit luckier, and got the BiS Chest

[mighty pivot]

at least some of us are lucky. We coining here

[agile badge]

Have 30% Haste at my Rouge as Outlaw, is it too much?

[mighty pivot]

yes

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[agile badge]

so i rebuild my crafted items from Versa Haste to Versa Crit to get rid of the extra Haste that i have?

[mighty pivot]

yes. Use the sim to help you with that

[ruby mauve]

yeah just need to hit the haste cap and prio vers and crit mostly

but yeah raidbots

[agile badge]

okay

ty mates!

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix you also arent using sockets in your sims

so its slightly better

i guess

on 8 targets

xdd

charged bolt is a dps loss basically

especially since these are max level

[stark cloud]

am I a tosser.. ive been in combat with a dummy for 3+min not having a single charged bolt proc.. equiped, unequipped, equipped and nothing wtf am I missing

[weary fog]

i dont think it works on dummies

[vale warren]

It shows as lightning strike in details

[mighty pivot]

doesn't work on dummies

[vale warren]

Oh lmao

[weary fog]

charged crystal does tho

[vale warren]

Ngl I think this shit needed more time in the oven

[weary fog]

yeaaaa

[mighty pivot]

unless that was fixed/changed. It was just what some people said yesterday

[ruby mauve]

am I tripping I feel like I did more dps with my crafted belt lol, I saw in here earlier people were saying it procced more often than expected

[vivid vessel]

i mean

a proc that goes to random targets ..

isnt even a time gain

[ruby mauve]

I have not seen the developments haha

I ran one dungeon with it

[vivid vessel]

blizzard

did what blizzard does

[ruby mauve]

lol

[vivid vessel]

and released broken things

that are trash design

trash damage

full bugged

and a copy paste of things we got the last 5 tiers

[mighty pivot]

11.2 will be different

[haughty wigeon]

i hope rogue gets a legendary in 11.2

to make up for this cantrips

all expansion

[vivid vessel]

number of devs working on retails rn

1.5

[haughty wigeon]

only way to regain player trust

[vivid vessel]

or smth

[mighty pivot]

legendary that doubles KS duration

[ruby mauve]

does it actually just pull random shit in the dungeon lol? Would explain my run earlier

[haughty wigeon]

its a legendary sword

one hander

[vale warren]

If we spend the whole fight in ks we never take damage

[haughty wigeon]

for monks, rogue, dh, shammy

[ruby mauve]

or is it more problem with breaking cc

[haughty wigeon]

does something cool like every x resource spent you surge with delve energy

attack everything around

for giga damage

[mighty pivot]

shammies can't use swords

[haughty wigeon]

good

fuck them

[mighty pivot]

call it deadblades because how often you will die

[hot olive]

just got the belt how do i get the socket?

[haughty wigeon]

but foreveryopne

[vivid vessel]

i think its anything in combat

[ruby mauve]

yeah makes sense

g2k

[shy pecan]

Charged bolts will be our go to for the belt in m+?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel nono

Nono

Have to not complain even if the devs make the worst items in the game

[ruby mauve]

idk ppl were saying that earlier I think its bad in high keys but prob good in low keys if ur just pumping... i have no clue though

[proven ocean]

Omgomg too bad bad luck no complain !

[vivid vessel]

bro ross

have you seen

wtf these belts are

its crazy

either a st proc that goes to rng targets and break stealth and can break ccs

which is a strict aoe loss really

or an "aoe" proc that is split damage

so thats prolly also not even a time gain ??

[ruby mauve]

either a st proc that goes to rng targets and break stealth and can break ccs

can it proc on neutral mobs... lmao... I targeted one and pulled it twice in ML and had no idea how I was damaging it til reading this

[stable lichen]

another example fwiw when i was looking through my log. tank was starting the pull and im just chilling in stealth and then zapped the fk out of a mine rat breaking my stealth.

[vivid vessel]

do you get subterfuge at least?

[proven ocean]

nono zac if 5 ppl in the grp that means the bolt can atk 5 targets !

[stable lichen]

i believe so, i will double check

[proven ocean]

so its perfect aoe belt !

[vivid vessel]

i guess we just dont equip that shit

cuase blizzard is not capable

of designing

something

[stable lichen]

yes, i did get subterfuge.

[vivid vessel]

that isnt trash

[haughty wigeon]

i knew about this in ptr btw

literally no one wanted to test this shit

ring but belt

very good

mhm

[vivid vessel]

its cringe man

the damage would be ok in st

if it wasnt rng target ????????????

[obsidian walrus]

cant they just change it to be the target that you are targeting ?

ez fix

[haughty wigeon]

im jaded to it

[ruby mauve]

nah never that easy at blizz

[haughty wigeon]

cause ret has simliar mechanic with templar hero tree

its cringe

[vivid vessel]

what does jaded means

[haughty wigeon]

im used/bitter to it

[vivid vessel]

i mean

thats strictly bad

[haughty wigeon]

it is

[vivid vessel]

its not a time gain

to lose st

or aoe

[haughty wigeon]

[vivid vessel]

and for that st to go to a rng target

[haughty wigeon]

i mean its still free damage thats the issue

we prayge that its hotfixed to touch primary target only

[vivid vessel]

but its prolly not a time gain

so idk

about free damage

[haughty wigeon]

sadly blizzard dont make cantrips to be time gains for higher end

this is very much a cantrip that does more damage in exchange of secondary stats like ring

it sucks balls

but it seems liek that the grift every .7 patch

[ruby mauve]

it would be logical that a single target proc would go to your target could it just be bugged? Maybe im misunderstanding I have not tested enough

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

probably?

probably not

cause other specs have simliar mechanic

and its not fixed yet

[ruby mauve]

ah

[vivid vessel]

It doesn't really do more damage anyway lol

It's literally a DPS loss in aoe

[prisma vapor]

Would you happen to know if Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel is still best to swap for aoe and after aoe go for st wep?

[ruby mauve]

yes

[haughty wigeon]

ye

the fucked thing about it zack tho

we got 5 weeks of upgrades to go

so its going to get strong enough that you have to wear it

[ruby mauve]

but make sure u have enough haste for other offhand i did not realize swapping to capos was killing my haste for too long lmao

[vivid vessel]

bro

im talking about max ilvl

its a dps loss

at max ilvl

[proven ocean]

guys

[vivid vessel]

in aoe

[proven ocean]

how do i get the belt

so i can delete it

[vivid vessel]

like

?????????????????

[proven ocean]

do i just enter the new delve

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

and i finish it

and belt gg?

[haughty wigeon]

Lmao

[ruby mauve]

its like 4 quests, accept from adventurer log and go to delve

[wintry solar]

Is the belt a good mog though?

[ruby mauve]

delete

[proven ocean]

ty ty

[haughty wigeon]

Ye

[wintry solar]

Well

Ain't a total loss

[runic flame]

Dps loss coz of secondary stats?

[proven ocean]

zac

i got outlaw shoulders last week

[haughty wigeon]

It’s sliver version of waist of time

[proven ocean]

this time outlaw chest

but

i think i dont pick it tho

[haughty wigeon]

Dps loss cause st dam is random

[proven ocean]

cuz outlaw chest is worse

[wintry solar]

That's cool

[proven ocean]

right?

[haughty wigeon]

I believe

[wintry solar]

I have waist of time

[ruby mauve]

eh lots of top outlaws run the chest with diff legs, i have myth chest

I just use u.gg to check tho so idk

[runic flame]

And what about aoe dmg?

[haughty wigeon]

Inb4 u fine more optimizations that make it better

[haughty wigeon]

Pins

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel omg imagine zac

best feature in wow history!!!!!!!!

u can get feared for 5 seconds in delve

for absolutely no reason !!!!!!!!!

how did they think of that !!!!!!!!!

very nice

[ruby mauve]

yeah that mech is dumb as shit lmao

[wintry solar]

Don't get feared

Idiot

Gah

[hot olive]

ur bran is weak

lol

[haughty wigeon]

How u getting geared

[wintry solar]

Someone's delves aren't bountiful

[haughty wigeon]

Only worm mob fears

[ruby mauve]

why does opening wraith chest cc you now lol? I don't remember that when I went through delves

[proven ocean]

my bran is 3900 ilvl

hes strong enough

cuh

u wanna fight with my brann

or what

?

[vivid vessel]

even prolly

[proven ocean]

@hot olive

wheres ur 1k delve bud

watchu pushing bud

?!?!?!

[wintry solar]

Amateur hour over here

Zzz

[hot olive]

damnnnnnn

chill

[haughty wigeon]

He has the golden key

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352795177001029654/1367948083840942150/honkhonk.gif

[red zinc]

3 weeks of avoidance back to back

I aint ever dying

[proven ocean]

guys

i can get the belt from tier 1 delve

or what

?

[hot olive]

yes

[ruby mauve]

ye

[hot olive]

i did 3 lvl 1 delvs

[ruby mauve]

no point in going higher lol u can farm the mount quicker in t1 too

[proven ocean]

this fucking

5

second

stuf

stun

is the most cringe shit i've ever seen

in this fucking game

holy fuck

this game sucks balls

[hot olive]

bran will 1 shot it in lvl 1 delv just do let fixate hit u

[proven ocean]

brother

his hp isnt even scaled on tier level

same hp tier 8 and tier 1

[vale warren]

Lmfao

[hasty warren]

we realy play pc and bandit ?

to cleave assistants ?

pc mb

[strong cargo]

What is the question ? Oh ok

[hasty warren]

I saw on archon that most ppl play pc

[strong cargo]

Since you only have 1 add close (2 if you ps/bte far add) it's very good yes

[hasty warren]

hmm wana try so

[viscid perch]

so we get higher ilvl items from charged delves now?

[latent belfry]

Don't think so, still heroic

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel so i hit dummies for 3 mins 33 sec

funny enough, i run away to screenshot that it didnt proc

while running away it procced on the random single target dummy

[red zinc]

it doesnt proc on those aoe dummies

[proven ocean]

its not like thats what i posted already

[unique dagger]

Do we use the new belt and if yes, is charged bolts the way to go for m+? Very new to outlaw here

[proven ocean]

yes

[unique dagger]

Oh yeah mb, completely forgot pins existed

[normal forge]

who here is already doing more dmg using one button rotation?

[tidal sequoia]

do we need to do anyhting past getting belt this week ?

[tawny dagger]

dude this shit is sending ambush in kir build and ks during vanish

[tidal sequoia]

stick to Hekili/HeroRotation if u want

[normal forge]

im talking about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax01863ik8U

[low sinew]

I hope I'm not bad enough at outlaw for this to be the case xD

[vivid vessel]

Hopefully no one

[normal forge]

same for me, but i still have to test it , hehe

[low sinew]

I don't even wanna try

[normal forge]

reality check can hurt

[scarlet leaf]

that's what i'm afraid of

[normal forge]

i feel u

[scarlet leaf]

better happy and dumb, than bad and sad

[reef forge]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get the belt and the effects we want?

[haughty wigeon]

Tettles showed u can top charts in a 17 with it

[vivid vessel]

ye

[haughty wigeon]

If your teammates did 0 damage

[low sinew]

2 entire delves

[vivid vessel]

only 30% behind

so

[haughty wigeon]

And u get pi and time your cds correctly

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i dont really like how i know that msot people will gain dps

[reef forge]

Is this for both ST and m+ effects?

[haughty wigeon]

Did I mention that his udk arcane mage and vdh did 0 damage thus allowing his boomie to pad meters

[haughty wigeon]

I mean that’s a given man

Majority of the playerbase sucks balls

And I mean gigA balls

Heck the amount of tanks that will gain dps will sky rocket

[hardy thicket]

You run the same regardless and its one of the default ones

[haughty wigeon]

Being 680 but doing 600k overal

Which means obr will absolutely help them be marginally better

[reef forge]

Oh that's nice, thought we were running 2 different ones because one of them brought us out of stealth

[low sinew]

1 run for the first quest, a second to get the belt and the belt comes preloaded with our best effect

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

do u use gally wep in raid

or

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

its kinda bad tho

i havbent simmed much

[proven ocean]

0.2%

for me

kinda ok

[vivid vessel]

i think it doesnt win until a certain time

[proven ocean]

dude no cap

i wanna see my dps vs you now

and vurai maybe idk

i think i do well

still missing cappo and no dwarf but still

i think i can get r1s in raid

st rotation is very easy

[leaden folio]

gally item work only on gally

[proven ocean]

but idk about my dps in m+ yet didnt try to compare

[vivid vessel]

impossible

r1s are mine

mine only

[proven ocean]

nono

i'll get r1 vexie and logoff zac

how about that

[vivid vessel]

well

vexie is impossible to parse on

so gl with that

[proven ocean]

every outlaw in the game killed vexie and in pugs the adds never die

so if ur guild is taking a break

[leaden folio]

r1 vexie is about getting 19 simp on your raid

[proven ocean]

join the shittiest pug

in the planet

and you'll parse

but u need all the buffs

well

if i was in my DF guild

[leaden folio]

u need buff. good bait and nobody dps adds

[proven ocean]

i'd easily get r1 on vexie

with my eyes closed

perfect rotation in raid is quite easy

ngl

mechanics feel very easy in raid

especially now i feel like i can prob raid same level if not better than some echo players no cappi

most echo players are washed up at this point anyway

[hardy thicket]

Nice yap zeross

[proven ocean]

method for example prob has one of the worst players ive ever seen in raids

idk how they ended up in there anyway

[hardy thicket]

Method zeross when

[proven ocean]

would never join a rwf guild why would i

[fallen knot]

for the glory

[proven ocean]

glory of gearing up 8-12 charecters

sounds fun

[fallen knot]

more like 15-18

[proven ocean]

idk why ppl think raiding up there is hard

its not at all

its just exhausting

alot of players up there are quite mid

and bad

or dont play the game as much anymore

[leaden folio]

and jobless

[open meadow]

Does anyone have a WA for reminding to swap between cudgel / knuckles in keys?

[fallen knot]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

they just login, get rwf prep done and log off

[fallen knot]

go to zac's profile

on wago

it's there somewhere

[hardy thicket]

I mean a lot of it is just being able to endure the prep and race once you get to a certain point yes

[open meadow]

Found it! https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

Tyvm!

[hardy thicket]

Time investment is kinda underrated as far as progress goes. Most people could easily raid at a "higher" level if they invested more time in the actual raid

[amber hull]

we only use cudgel in m+ right? raids its not that good?

[proven ocean]

its more of like

there aren't many super good players in the game that also enjoy raiding alot

[hardy thicket]

Raid its useless the effect doesnt work on bosses

[proven ocean]

most best players are in m+

[proven ocean]

but they're very hard to find

canexx is one of them as a prime example

the guy raids alot and plays m+ alot

[hardy thicket]

Ye and a lot of m+ players stepped down from RWF due to the time investment

They have the skill

But they just cba

Then again the discipline to endure the prep time and time again is also kind of a skill

[proven ocean]

idk about that

sounds cooked

[fallen knot]

i just couldnt do 16hours of splits

i need my smoke breaks

[proven ocean]

u just gear up 10 charecters which alot of ppl do and then play for 2 weeks which alot of people also can do

[ruby mauve]

I use a macro to switch between and dynamically change the tooltip with lua, and then use that and WA to place the icon on my unit frame to remind to swap, not sure if ppls would be interested in that... zacs feels like enough lol

[proven ocean]

you can say discipline to going to the gym for 1 year without stopping but rwf isn't all that prep heavy its just like a job

u prep ur chars and just play for 2 weeks

thats it

[hardy thicket]

I mean you just dont randomly end up there

Thats the end point

[open meadow]

I would be interested for the lua alone, but I think the zacs should be enough. I need to test it first xD

[proven ocean]

i know a few people in my friendslist who randomly have 10-15 alts fully geared up 8/8 vault every week

[proven ocean]

idk about that

[ruby mauve]

#showtooltip [equipped:Fist Weapons] item:237780; [equipped:One-Handed Maces] item:232804; item:237780?
/run if not UnitAffectingCombat("player") then if IsEquippedItem(237780)then EquipItemByName(232804)else EquipItemByName(237780)end end

[proven ocean]

i got offers from top 10-20 guilds prob over 5 times at this point

its quite common to get offers if ur good enough

they just demand alot of alts

[hardy thicket]

Ur like one of the top3 highest performing Outlaws and overall a very good rogue

[proven ocean]

i can't even handle 1 alt so i dont join anyway

[hardy thicket]

Lol

[vivid vessel]

top10 and r1/2 is quite diff tho

[hardy thicket]

Thats not randomly

[proven ocean]

ngl i play all specs equally as good at this point

[proven ocean]

well

[low sinew]

you don't need Ambush on your bar for KiR right?

[proven ocean]

r1 and r2 prep 10 times more heavily

[hardy thicket]

Yeah iuno i only know ur law ive been afk

[fallen knot]

i mean after outlaw most specs are a joke no

[hardy thicket]

I said overall rogue tho

U blind or

[fallen knot]

exactly

[proven ocean]

i didn't say u didnt say that cuh

[hardy thicket]

Chill yo

[proven ocean]

me chill me chill wdym

[hardy thicket]

We good then

Good good

[proven ocean]

but idk