outlaw

[narrow blaze]

Awesome, preparing some plaster

[tulip quarry]

Yeah, you now have a debuff that invert you control for two seconds after exiting KS, because to be realistic your caracter is a litlle dazed after all those teleport XD

[wintry solar]

I wish bladestorm had the same treatment

[quaint sable]

Honestly my brewmaster should not be walking straight either after even like half of a key

[ripe ibex]

dr

[torpid fiber]

not even just dr

Also how maths works with additive boosts to stats

going from 130%->133% is worse than 100%->103%

For some stupid reason haste is multiplicative though

[halcyon garden]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vale warren]

Makes you drunk with a 30% chance to throw up

[vale warren]

The idea is that 10% haste making you attack/cast 10% faster is intuitive

[nocturne lantern]

Is there any macro that casts BtE when availble, but fallsback to dispatch if not?

Do you guys use different keybinds for these?

Feel like I could save a keybind here

[red zinc]

So intuitive in fact that they increased our gcd in AR to make us scale with haste (to a certain extent, without any tooltip ingame telling you about this)

[red zinc]

Not possible

[nocturne lantern]

That's a shame

[little mural]

So is the Nightfall Cudgel a meme or does it actually outperform Capo 671?

[mighty pivot]

it's all an elaborate joke to troll all 100 outlaw players out there

[red zinc]

naw man its horrible thats why everyone is wearing it

[little mural]

Well calling it a meme was wrong on my part, but simming it performs worse for me, so is there anything specific to it that Im missing?

[mighty pivot]

sim dslice

[red zinc]

patchwerk sims do not work due to them being coded as boss fights

[mighty pivot]

it doesn't reset on bosses (patchwerk sims)

[little mural]

aha

[covert kestrel]

I mean outlaw has like no binds already so

[red zinc]

which doesnt allow you to reset combat and thus disables the proc

[wintry solar]

Made the snd macro just for the extra bind

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[little mural]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, so does target swapping also proc it multiple times or is it once per combat?

[mighty pivot]

it procs once per target but vanish resets it

and BF will proc it

[little mural]

nice, thank you

[strong cargo]

You don't have to swap target, if there is more than 8 targets make sure to run in circle around the pack everytime you vanish to reapply it to all mobs, you'll see it pop 👍

[mighty pivot]

surely we won't have to use cudgel in s3 too

[vale warren]

When I started playing outlaw in shadowlands I didn't know about this for months, I thought it just felt faster cause I had more energy

[torpid fiber]

ok but then surely 10% vers should always make you do 10% more damage

but that's not the case

No other stat has the kind of multiplicative scaling haste gets with % buffs

[vale warren]

Maybe but that's not something you feel as much as haste

[torpid fiber]

I'm fine with either them making every stat mult or haste additive, but imo the current situation is pretty dumb

Tbh just make everything mult

All the broken buff stacking is haste anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

D.I.S.C. Belt

Updated <t:1750212660:R> - We thought Bolts was doing more than expected but ultimately I don't think it is, it can just highroll.

The new belt is available at 691 ilvl this reset. For Outlaw, it is a considerable single target gain (~4%) while a little less impactful for M+ overall (~2%).

Charged Bolts is recommended everywhere, it seems slightly overtuned. Charged Crystal is also projected to be similar in AoE, you can test it out if you want.

Note that the Bolts proc rate can vary a lot and it strikes random targets, so it can attempt to hit the immune mines on Mug'Zee.

The stat procs like Critical Chain and Static Charge are not worth it at the moment. It is possible to use Charged Bolts in keys for boss damage, though you effectively lose priority damage for most of the key.

Sims (701 ilvl): ST, Dslice, Sustain 5 target

Note that it is possible for recommendations to change. Also the belt does not have stats on it, so you might have to adjust some gear if it makes you lose Haste.

[late swallow]

First

[stiff hawk]

Thanks Solo

[radiant root]

don't know if the bolts will hit immune targets, such as the mines in MugZee

[gaunt phoenix]

it probably will

[vivid vessel]

ye its so shit

[radiant root]

[vivid vessel]

forced to use the trash aoe split thing

[radiant root]

good shit lul

[fallen knot]

how does the enhancement swap thing work? if it's shit, can we have 2 belts?

[radiant root]

wdym?

[fallen knot]

the swap from the single target one to the aoe one

[radiant root]

just use it

[dim widget]

tell me you dont understand the question without telling me you dont understand the question

homie is asking how annoying it is to swap between those effect

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you just right click it and pick a new thingy

[dim widget]

hell yeah

the tech is there

finally

now we only need that for stats and embellishments on crafted gear, corruption on helm and we finally arrived in 2025

[fallen knot]

i hope so

[mighty pivot]

it's w/e for corruptions they are gone in 2 months

[fallen knot]

pin this aswell solo

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont want to

[fallen knot]

to just shut up future conversations

[mighty pivot]

it's true, everyone reads pins before asking questions

[fallen knot]

not about asking question

[dim widget]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[fallen knot]

it would be to just not yap for 2 hours about nonsense

i can already imagine

[dim widget]

no it would just go full circle to "read the pins" every 15 minutes

[remote pecan]

wheres HR sim?

[carmine verge]

I mean

35% less for someone who is probably drooling in their keyboard is still incredible

[fallen knot]

35% is a lot

[carmine verge]

that's a top performance without any single neuron firing

[gaunt phoenix]

relative math

[radiant root]

Yes, you are a poet

[fallen knot]

better off to go play bm hunter with the 1button rotation

[dim widget]

ty

[fallen knot]

or ret pala

[dim widget]

im pretty sure you already can make ret into a 2 button build

[vague cape]

tbh there's quite a few specs that if you can alternate 2 buttons that work

[dim widget]

80% of their button presses is "press this when its ready" the other are just storm and verdict

[vague cape]

fdk comes to mind

oblit > frost strike > repeat

press ur pillar + reapers macro every 45s and remorseless winter every 20 and ur chilling 3.2m sim dps ez

iirc bis spec for 1 button is destro

[rigid basin]

Mmmm chaos bolt

[red zinc]

What

is the wowhead stuff fake then

That aint the same numbers

[gaunt phoenix]

Assisted rotation stuff

The assisted rotations have been parsed by SimC so it is possible to model their impact, they can be found here. Outlaw's assisted rotation does not have logic to use Adrenaline Rush or Vanish so you will have to manually press them.

If you manually slam AR on cooldown and slam Vanish during AR, then the standard HO build look like this:

The KIR build is similar, though you also have to manually press KIR at 4 buffs. (Did not try different KIR rules in this case)

[red zinc]

“About 10% loss for assisted rotation”

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

did wowhead say that for outlaw specifically?

[red zinc]

must be some auto pasted stuff cause numbers were similar on other articles

probably not checked at all

[glass mortar]

the assisted highlight is something else

isnt it?

[red zinc]

assisted highlight is assisted rotation

[glass mortar]

wait how do u make a highlight rotation that much worse then the basic one

[red zinc]

in solo’s sim

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the same rotation. one button is just the gcd delay

[glass mortar]

☠️

w/e its on purpose most likely so

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk what wowhead did. In order to sim it you have to change eviscerate to dispatch, add coup de grace etc.

actions+=/adrenaline_rush
# Added manually
actions+=/vanish,if=!stealthed.all&buff.adrenaline_rush.up
actions+=/ambush,if=buff.stealth.up
actions+=/ambush,if=buff.stealth.up
actions+=/ambush,if=buff.vanish.up
actions+=/roll_the_bones,if=buff.broadside.down&buff.ruthless_precision.down&buff.grand_melee.down&buff.true_bearing.down&buff.buried_treasure.down&buff.skull_and_crossbones.down
actions+=/blade_flurry,if=active_enemies>2&buff.blade_flurry.down
actions+=/cold_blood,if=combo_points>=5&cooldown.dispatch.ready
actions+=/killing_spree,if=combo_points>=5
actions+=/between_the_eyes,if=buff.subterfuge.up&combo_points>=5&talent.crackshot
actions+=/between_the_eyes,if=buff.stealth.up&combo_points>=5&talent.crackshot
actions+=/between_the_eyes,if=buff.vanish.up&combo_points>=5&talent.crackshot
actions+=/between_the_eyes,if=buff.ruthless_precision.up&combo_points>=5
actions+=/between_the_eyes,if=buff.between_the_eyes.down&combo_points>=5
actions+=/ghostly_strike,if=buff.cold_blood.down
actions+=/blade_rush
actions+=/coup_de_grace,if=combo_points>=5
actions+=/dispatch,if=combo_points>=5
actions+=/ambush,if=talent.hidden_opportunity
actions+=/pistol_shot,if=buff.opportunity.up
actions+=/sinister_strike
actions+=/pistol_shot,if=energy>=99
actions+=/sinister_strike
actions+=/use_items```

this is the lovely priority

[glass mortar]

its just very strange i wonder what metric they are using for how bad/good they want it to be

its gunna vary so much from spec to spec

cause like if this thing is bad its artificially bad

u could just code the whole apl into the highlight thing

if they cared

[remote pecan]

I'm thinking of an overlay that watches your screen and looks at your buffs / debuffs / w/e garbage ui components blizzard put infront of us and just recreate HR as an external tool based entirely on what can be deduced visually rather than through the api

it'll still be better

[gaunt phoenix]

actions+=/blade_flurry,if=active_enemies>2 is interesting. maybe parsing error

[red zinc]

they have no metric

of how good they want it to perform

Highly doubt it

[glass mortar]

ye could see that

[red zinc]

like unless they open source this somewhat with uploading your own APL to this (no clue how’d they even manage, not aware of all the intricacies) this is the best itll ever get

history teaches blizzard doesnt maintain these systems all that much

[glass mortar]

sure i mean all the current apls r public they could have literally just ripped the apls and uploaded them for this

to me, its on purpose that its bad

i just wonder how they decided how bad to make certain rotations

but it could be that all the ones it isnt awful for are just very simple specs idk

[red zinc]

I mean a lot of apls have very strange rules in it

Might be a game bandwidth and/or simplicity thing

[hushed quest]

is there a way to sim The Jastor Diamond with X amount of people in the raid having it? Or does it not matter?

[fallen knot]

pretty sure it doesnt really matter

[red zinc]

Dont think that ring scales with other people having it

The group buffs affect you but doesnt affect your ring afaik

[hushed quest]

ah ok

cheers for the quick reply

[red zinc]

I mean this is also true

Bm hunter has 2% loss on their assisted rotation according to wowhead

Not sure on the accuracy of that anymore now but a lot of the simpler classes are on the lower end

Cant wait to discover how to port over artifact weapons to retail next tier

[glass mortar]

r they giving us artifact weapons in legion remix?

god a new artifact mog for each spec from legion remix would go so hard

[vivid vessel]

you can do that with a lot of games

becomes cheating tho

[red zinc]

Nothing confirmed but I highly doubt they choose something else to be the scaling item

like the cloak from mop remix

just seems very logical

[remote pecan]

true but i reckon i can still come up with something better than their own and until they ban it outright why not

[red zinc]

Feel like AI is going to be playing the game at some point anyway

top keys being done with 1 normal guy and 4 AI’s that play perfectly

[glass mortar]

bots have been around for decades fam

ai arent special

😠

[sudden fulcrum]

follower dungeons exist in the game right meow

[glass mortar]

cant wait to finally live out my dream of doing keys with myself in all 5 slots

[red zinc]

cant have a bot play a key and adapt to any change

[glass mortar]

then when we fail i will know who the blame lies with

[red zinc]

like

[glass mortar]

the shoddy programmers who made ai that cant properly emulate me

💅

[red zinc]

itll never happen officially but I wouldnt be surprised if it came across the table at some point in the next few years

[remote pecan]

wdym you'll be bottom dps

[red zinc]

So many people dislike m+ due to the multiplayer aspect

queues and what not

[glass mortar]

and top

!

[red zinc]

would be a horrible idea to create fake players but I see them thinking about it

[remote pecan]

yes but i mean the real you, always last

[glass mortar]

they are all the real me

[red zinc]

wym seny you can enable “ego stroke mode” where they do exactly 5k dps less than you

[remote pecan]

all while saying "/s omg you are soo good at this game"

[rigid basin]

Follower keys going crazy

[hollow temple]

man why is it so hard to time Mechagon on 18/19

4 days 12h/day with every possible pug group

always out of time or deplete or tilt leave

what a messed up timer

[fossil pagoda]

guys can someone tell me if its worth to change the spell Q window ?

or should i leave it on default ?

[wintry solar]

There's an addon that makes your camera follow bladestorm

[rigid basin]

Reminds me of the immersive spinning crane kick WA

I used to heal keys with that lol

[carmine verge]

absolutely cursed

[wintry solar]

Gotta run a key with a party full of people running these addons and WAs

Minus outlaw

For obvious reasons

[vapid sundial]

Brew master needs a drunk weak aura

Randomly sways your camera

[grim badger]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[stiff glade]

It's worth playing around with, but make sure you understand what it does and why you want to change it. Try some different values and feel it out a bit

We often want a lower value to not be locking in the next global before we know what it should be. Too low of a value will quickly end up with missing globals though, so you have to try it a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

should be at least double your ping

but unless you think you are accidentally double casting spells you dont have to change it

[mighty pivot]

double my ping would be a 6

[covert kestrel]

Healthy gaming habits only!

[keen belfry]

i have found i like lower spellqueue window on outlaw compared to my mage

idk y

[rigid basin]

We already got it built in with KS LMAO

[wintry solar]

Exactly B)

[keen belfry]

i think im back to being obsessed with outlaw guys

[frail veldt]

So proud of you

[keen belfry]

ive already decided im raiding as law next season

no more mage 2025

[austere fog]

I have seen multiple listings for high keys where the key holder is asking for outlaw specifically. Is that because they want to do smaller pulls quickly? Someone please explain it to me like I’m 5

[slow ice]

i'm prepping to crash out next season bc dawnbreaker

[civic zephyr]

is it that bad falk?

[keen belfry]

was the tank a brewmaster/warrior/druid

[covert kestrel]

Boat moving and ks are bad

[civic zephyr]

oh fucking lord LMAO

[slow ice]

pretty bad, forced ar downtime and KS on the boat

[austere fog]

One of them was a blood dk, I can’t remember the others

[civic zephyr]

BRO i hate KS SO MUCH

[civic zephyr]

this is what you get for convincing me to keep playing the rogue man...

[fair sparrow]

The boats moving is the stupidest shit I’ve seen in a dungeon

[slow ice]

LMAO

Sorry @civic zephyr

but welcome to the good life

[civic zephyr]

its all good man, its fun tbh

[vapid sundial]

weiner

[keen belfry]

aweiner

[vivid vessel]

ok honeslty

i think i have better ones awang

I have a few where i press ks

and it tps you inside the boat

and you cant get out

stuck 💀

[slow ice]

They really don't want us to thrive

Without bugs

[upper surge]

[echo tide]

Warlock outlaw meta pog

[glass mortar]

wtf @late swallow that passion project game u dm'd me about wasnt real???

[upper surge]

I hate this discord and especially twist

[glass mortar]

luv u 2 babe

[gaunt phoenix]

same

[upper surge]

Keep summoning me back smh

[keen belfry]

what if trickster isnt usable on boats

[gaunt phoenix]

what if you just low ks

[keen belfry]

what if you

[gaunt phoenix]

is that enough to be yeeted off the boat

[keen belfry]

i dont know i think i only have done one trickster boat key

and i was 1/1 on getting yeeted

why are we complaining about ks in s3

it will be fixed

It Will Be Fixed.

[echo tide]

lol, lmao even

[vivid vessel]

ye i think so

[sweet iron]

ks and dawnbreaker will both be unfixed and this will happene very key

[vivid vessel]

any tp is weird on boat cause it moves

[civic zephyr]

so do we just play not trickster for that key specifically?

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

depends if you can low cp ks

[echo tide]

That dungeon looks like a bad outlaw dungeon anyway with all the flying

[civic zephyr]

idk im like 5 days into this spec

[covert kestrel]

His name is delve

[echo tide]

Press N spec assa

[civic zephyr]

i feel stupid but easier to ask LMAO

[keen belfry]

Wordle 1,459 2/6

⬛🟨🟨🟨⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[gaunt phoenix]

we would hope they would change ks in 11.2 but if not, then we hope that sending killing spree at low cps is enough to stay on the boat, and if not then we prolly dont trickster there

[civic zephyr]

i see tyty

[late swallow]

haha wait what happened

[keen belfry]

and if we dont trickster in a key i doubt we even outlaw tha tkey

[late swallow]

did someone make a fake account about me

[glass mortar]

nah just the global ping in this discord

[gaunt phoenix]

alternatively they massively buff fatebound so we dont trickster anyway

[keen belfry]

assuming no tuning

ye

[keen belfry]

but actually no please no fatebound is so bad trickster is banger

[civic zephyr]

prayge

[glass mortar]

the first bullet point

[vivid vessel]

i would rather not

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

same

[vivid vessel]

fb is litteraly worse

[keen belfry]

i agree

[vivid vessel]

and thats aying something

[keen belfry]

i would rather play KS than fartbound

[civic zephyr]

KS just feels bootycheeks in alot of situations

[late swallow]

mind downloading my passion project gacha undressing game?

[keen belfry]

fartbound goes so hard for a hero tree

was this season a specifically bad season for killing spree?

i was asked that recently and then tried to deep dive other dungeons if they would be bad ks

[fierce aurora]

killing spree is strong but still annoying to use in some encounters lol

[vivid vessel]

honestly its hard to know until you try

[fierce aurora]

because itll just port you back into a puddle or something that wasnt there when you started channeling your 10 combo point KS

[vivid vessel]

but i think yes

we have candle king

cant press ks ever

rookery first and 2nd boss

[keen belfry]

agreed but i dont think we have had many bosses like rookery, candle boss, floodgate last boss can be hard, i struggle on big momma with ks sometimes

[fierce aurora]

im also afraid to press it on gallywix sometimes lol

itd be sick if the damage delay lingered for like 2 seconds after it finished

[rigid basin]

Even just a half sec for me to grapple my ass outta pain and suffering

[fierce aurora]

i wonder if thered be a way to make it so that you can determine mid-killing spree if you want to teleport back or not. cause there are definitely upsides to both. and it seems like whenever they change it everyone asks to change it back lol

[keen belfry]

theres no way outlaws single button rotation hlper is only -10% right? @gaunt phoenix sorry for ping dont be mad

[cinder relic]

That's the assisted

Assisted and single button are different

[keen belfry]

i feel like even 25% is low

but maybe im jsut yapping

[cinder relic]

Maybe

[rigid basin]

KiR -40%

[cinder relic]

Could be

[fierce aurora]

does assisted have GCD drawbacks? or is it just not perfectly optimized

[cinder relic]

Poorly optimized

[rigid basin]

Nah

[fierce aurora]

ok yeah that makes sense then

the actual single button rotation has gotta be a huge nerf though lol

[cinder relic]

Yep

[fierce aurora]

is that GCD a flat amount or does it scale based on your actual GCD?

[keen belfry]

i wonder what the highest key u can time as all rotation helper

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont know where -10% is from

[keen belfry]

besides healer

[keen belfry]

brain lag

[glass mortar]

it was a flat amount on ptr

meaning specs with reduced gcds get punished even harder by it

[gaunt phoenix]

My pin is -21% but I might have missed something? that's with manually adding AR and vanish and coup...

[fierce aurora]

not complaining but that does hurt specs like outlaw even more lol, you dont even get the main benefit of AR

but lets be real if youre playing outlaw you want the challenge, youre prob not using the one button rotation anyway

[glass mortar]

yea i mean

i think the 1 button rotation probably does enough dps for the intended audiance

given how many specs its very bad for

[fierce aurora]

i might honestly turn rotation assist on anyway just to remind me when BtE and KS are off cooldown lmao

assuming it makes them glow

[keen belfry]

i do feel like a lot of people dont realize 1buttonrotation (1br) is made for the most casual players and not anyone remotely near any class discord

can we get an aoe sim 1fth @gaunt phoenix last ping i swear

[fierce aurora]

though actually heres a question you guys might know the answer to. is there a way to macro BtE onto the same key as Dispatch, where it uses BtE if its off CD but Dispatch otherwise? i replaced Dispatch with BtE on my stealth bar, but outside of stealth I sometimes have a habit of mashing dispatch when BtE is ready. but if i try to just do a simple /cast macro with both of them, it only uses BtE and says its on cooldown if i try to use it when i want to just Dispatch

[mighty pivot]

the gcd penalty was changed from flat to 30% according to a discussion that we had in the subtlety channel earlier today. It will still affect some specs more than other

[gaunt phoenix]

for what

[keen belfry]

1buttonrotation (1br)

dslice

1fth

i bet this numbber will be awesome

[gaunt phoenix]

one weird thing

the blade flurry logic is currently parsed as actions+=/blade_flurry,if=active_enemies>2

which means Dont bf at 2 target

[keen belfry]

xd

[fallen knot]

wait

[gaunt phoenix]

which is a parsing mistake? or what

[fallen knot]

what

i thought dont use bf to gain cp at <2 targets

but

like i'm stupid

because ho doesnt anyways

[covert kestrel]

No they're different abilities, just press them lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm talking about the assisted rotation from blizzard

[fierce aurora]

yeah i figured thatd be the case, i got tellmewhen at least to help with it lol

i mainly pvp so sometimes its hard to notice in the heat of the moment that i got my bte back

esp after the CDR nerfs that fuck up the flow

[covert kestrel]

But also like there are times you are pressing dispatch even tho bte is off cd like when coup is up

[fierce aurora]

yeah im playing fatebound though, since trickster is dead in pvp now

but that makes sense for trickster

[covert kestrel]

Oh then prob better to ask more in pvp channel

Most here use same bars for stealth and not anyways

[fallen knot]

i dont

[fierce aurora]

stealth bars are fine, it was just about bte/dispatch out of stealth. so not exclusive to pvp. but i got my answer, its sort of what i suspected anyway

[warm remnant]

yeah literally the only diff for me is cheap shot/killing spree sharing bind

[fierce aurora]

would be kinda OP to be able to make conditional keybinds like that

basically custom 1br lol

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDRbdFQrfuSCpwbLPxDxWx

[covert kestrel]

[gaunt phoenix]

oh the

[fallen knot]

should i?

[gaunt phoenix]

assisted rotation does not have kir

[pliant horizon]

fr?

[glass mortar]

if ur someone using the assisted rotation you should not be playing kir

honestly not gunna disagree with blizz there

[fervent garden]

haha

[cinder relic]

Assisted rotation doesn't use ar or vanish either. It expects the player to understand how to use its own cooldowns

[fierce aurora]

guys im progging mythic gallywix but my 1 button rotation wont let me use KIR?? help!!!

[cinder relic]

I mean it also doesn't let u ar either

"doesn't let you"

[covert kestrel]

AR makes the game go too fast, 2spook4me

[gaunt phoenix]

I feel like it should have AR because it's a talent? idk

Like sin has kingsbane and sub has flag

but they dont have deathmark/blades

[fierce aurora]

kingsbane and flag are more akin to KS

[gaunt phoenix]

[cinder relic]

I think broadly speaking it doesn't include major Cd's because an assistant can't really contextualize how to use Cd's properly

Like it doesn't have alignment either

[fierce aurora]

AR is the equivalent to blades/deathmark

it probably just doesnt use the class's big 2+ minute cooldown so it doesnt blow it automatically against small packs of mobs before a boss or something

like does it use pally wings?

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw kinda bends the rules on what is a cooldown

[cinder relic]

Ofc, for outlaw its not a real cd but xd

I agree

[gaunt phoenix]

but yea i get it

[red zinc]

mr guy did you do the assisted rotation numbers manually on wowhead

or were those just added in

[gaunt phoenix]

guy 10%?!??!?!?

[fierce aurora]

yeah but AR is 3 minutes instead of 2 minutes to "make up for it" (even though its off cooldown way sooner than the 2 minute CDs lol)

[cinder relic]

Ya they are wrong I need to change them I didn't expect anybody to actually care if I'm being honest

[gaunt phoenix]

glazing up blizzard

[red zinc]

i mean i already know how many questions people are going to have about it

if they ask hundreds of questions about a shitty weapon swap then thisll probably be equally annoying

[cinder relic]

Genuinely the only people who have questions about it are concern trolls saying there will be lots of questions about it

At least, as of now

[red zinc]

yeah cause it isnt out yet

[real yew]

I mean, why are you playing outlaw if you're going to use one button? You miss 100% of the class appeal

[gaunt phoenix]

idk i cant judge

[red zinc]

why do people want to know about snd bug utilization when they have ar uptime of 60

[gaunt phoenix]

cause you need snd bug to get 94% uptime

[red zinc]

got 99 yesterday (with the cdr affix)

goated with it

99.9% on details with that affix should be possible

[keen belfry]

whats a concern troll am i a concern troll

[rigid basin]

Gun

[red zinc]

beeg gun

i love one button rotation ngl

social raid on friday is going to be easy as fuck

[rigid basin]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=200857/talisman-of-sargha

This gives you beeg gun for 10 mins

[red zinc]

ye

im the big gun guy

[rigid basin]

DF s1 was a funny tier with this and PPing kurogg

Being bigger that the raid boss during lust

My guildies hated me for that lol

Was a menace

[vivid vessel]

dm and blades are talent tho

[gaunt phoenix]

that's what i meant to imply

that my own logic didnt work

[cinder relic]

I updated the numbers on the rotation page

gonna msg them to update the article as well ig

[late swallow]

thanks for updating the numbers

[gaunt phoenix]

thank you wowhead writer Foreverguy

[cinder relic]

Yeah no problem I'm sure many peoples days in here are improved

[vivid vessel]

I think the logic is just that it doesnt use "major cds"

thank you wowhead writer Foreverguy

[red zinc]

more than 1min i think

[covert kestrel]

Thank you somnius for sending me a link to his cycling erotic anime novel game where you seduce kawaii bikes, this is gonna be a heater

[late swallow]

upvotes on the left! thanks for checking it out and supporting local ukrainian transracial indie game companies

[vivid vessel]

Flag is 1.5 bozo

[red zinc]

ok theres no logic behind it

thats the real answer usually

[late swallow]

did someone actually impersonate me

weran was saying something earlier

[vivid vessel]

Bet if I go on winwdlarer the only cd it doesn't use is the dog

Yet the mirrors images are also 1.5 min same as dog

Well it probably also doesn't use the hero talent cd cause they tend to forget hero talents are a thing

[covert kestrel]

No unfortunately there is only one of you

[glass mortar]

no i was just memeing because u sent all us real good outlaw players friend requests recently and then this announcment post happened

well timed

[vapid sundial]

that humble brag from weran

[covert kestrel]

"Real good"

[jolly geyser]

Im not good thou

[glass mortar]

😏

[late swallow]

all the outlawchads and banterchads got one

[vapid sundial]

i used to be real good at outlaw

[covert kestrel]

All the cool kids are friends with somnius

[vapid sundial]

how the times change

[late swallow]

pumped to see the outlaw rework next patch

i know they're COOKING in the back

empower KS when?

[rigid basin]

Lasts for 5 seconds and the stagger stops halfway thru

[glass mortar]

lets actualize empower ks into existence just because i think zac might crashout so hard he gets banned

there is no form of that i can think of that would be pleasant to play tho

[vapid sundial]

empower ks as in empower it to get the fuck out of my talent tree

[covert kestrel]

make KS open up an Osu! mini game that you need to complete in order to do damage

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/plancton-gif-4547304069248189847

how hard I be manifesting empower KS

[tired rune]

Sup boys how's this season going

do I play

[vapid sundial]

no

[rigid basin]

Gun rogue do good in phys comp

Pew pew

[tired rune]

yeah took a few months after the sweat last season

think its time to pew pew

[glass mortar]

damage is good

kspree is not

glhf

[rigid basin]

Damn near immortal until you press the Kill Self button that's what KS really stands for yeah?

[vivid vessel]

Bro

I swear to god

Not to be this guy or whatever

But I don't think I have died

The last few weeks

Other than from ks

Which is crazy

Outlaw is so immortal

And then you just kill yourself from ks on cd

[normal forge]

evasion cd is stronk

[cinder relic]

My day be so fine, then boom, killing spree

[tired rune]

Can't wait to enjoy this again

[glass mortar]

i honestly cant remember the last time i had a non kspree related death in keys

[rigid basin]

Oh no absolutely, like unless the healer is dead I only die to KS lmao

[vivid vessel]

Bro even if healer is dead

[rigid basin]

Blizzard intentionally trying to balance how tanky we are

Kek

[vivid vessel]

I remember living first boss of priory for 2 min straight with just tank and me

Litteraly can't die

In 20

[rigid basin]

Soothing Darkness healing is kinda goated. Slam Vial+Vanish that's half ur HP

If only cv didn't have a GCD I'd press it more tho :p

[vivid vessel]

Did you know

It has a hasted gcd

[rigid basin]

Huh

That feels like an oversight

[vivid vessel]

Ye idk xd

[daring oxide]

soon this will a fever dream come 11.2 🙏

BIG WEEK

so many smiles on thursday

i can feel it

my face muscles ready

as i read the outlaw notes

[vale warren]

Like 1.5s hasted or something?

[daring oxide]

solo didn't believe me at first

he had to do experiments and shit just to believe me

[covert kestrel]

Vurai eternal hopium back on the menu

Were so back

[daring oxide]

i have always been one of faith and hope

i come from the religion of 50/50

theres always a chance we get what we want

either we do or we dont

and this time

just two outcomes

plus to further reinforce my beliefs, Ion and Mr Day both openly spoke about Outlaw's issues, and therefore I can deduce that some of their brain cells have fired some synapses to attempt to resolve Killing Spree

[vale warren]

What if they just make us really squishy so less of our deaths are caused by ks

[daring oxide]

now we just need the lord of salvation Realz to descend upon this lowly realm of Outlaw RH channel to bring the blessed words

[daring oxide]

only think positively

no negative thoughts please

[vivid vessel]

1 s hasted I think

I remember it's lower than ADR gcd

Usually

[nova basin]

‘Killing spree now just does 50% of your health in damage as standard regardless of if you get hit or not’

[keen belfry]

imagine just rotting out on swampface

[daring oxide]

yup

[covert kestrel]

Concern troll take: outlaw going to be reworked into a slow apm midrange class with empowered gun spells

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel its about 0.4-0.5 gcd

its really fast

i always felt like why the fuk can i press something else so quickly after vial

or

why can I press vial quicker after just using an ability

i think

can't tell its so fast

[daring oxide]

back to fury warrior then

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-gif-582654785695353762

[austere pivot]

I was thinking of swapping from assa to outlaw. Does outlaw have much ramp?

[covert kestrel]

No just blasting

[glass mortar]

cant really have ramp when u dont have burst

[covert kestrel]

You can't have ramp if you don't have cooldown to ramp to

Aw delve beat me to it

[remote pecan]

outlaw is basically a light switch though. blast or die

AR or death

[rigid basin]

Gun gun gun gun

[austere pivot]

Neat I wanna mash that switch

[rigid basin]

When you get that fat rtb roll on pull it's great

[worldly shale]

when u dont get broadside

makes me wanna between the eyes myself

[rigid basin]

Hahaha

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-blasting-gif-26810421

[rigid basin]

Also not getting RP feels bad too

[bright crane]

Ol in a nutshell

[vale warren]

At least that one only feels bad when you look at details

[hollow temple]

NEVA!

[quaint sable]

Blizz getting rid of addons so we can't look at details anymore and feel better abt ourselves 😄

[frank finch]

this might be my next alt

[humble oak]

@leaden folio cc

[craggy quiver]

Koff baited me I thought the new ping gonna be the revival of tricks of the trade podcast

[leaden folio]

I have the new badge

[rigid basin]

Warlock guidie of mine doesn't trust that at all since the timing on tyrant ramps is pretty tight

[leaden folio]

Look at me

I am 💀 <RH> now

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

holy

RH tag goes hard

[craggy quiver]

Oh shit

[vivid vessel]

bro

wdym rh

couldnt we get rog

or rouge

[late swallow]

test

[vivid vessel]

or dagger

or cock

[late swallow]

BASED

[vivid vessel]

or something

wtf is rh

bro

[leaden folio]

yo zac

rh

ressource humaine

ca fait peur aussi

[craggy quiver]

[leaden folio]

[late swallow]

[proper veldt]

[worldly shale]

what in the clair obscur

[leaden folio]

in english its the same no

human resource, dunno

[covert kestrel]

Hey Alexa how do I get a badge

[rigid basin]

Neat

Reminds me I need to set up the guilds one

[worldly shale]

its so cool expedition 33 made french people

[leaden folio]

yo french was actually "sexy" from nowhere

now its because we do great video game

i take that

[worldly shale]

redemption arc

[leaden folio]

next step

is because zac is french

best rogue outlaw

[humble oak]

Nailo

Give le badge des human ressource

[split grove]

Oué Nailo don't be un 🐀

[humble oak]

Oh no la polizia

[worldly shale]

can i race change to french?

or is it too late?

[humble oak]

4 outlaw for season 3 ? ^^

[rigid basin]

Why not 5?

Just rotate vanish/Evas = winning

[humble oak]

@split grove avis ?

[violet ferry]

renting a car?

[hollow temple]

how do you use magnet trinket and hoc as outlaw? Like alkways on CD or wait till 30 stacks or align with HoC CD?

currently i do use magnet when i see HoC has 20sec cd left

[gaunt phoenix]

magnet and hoc are not related

magnet you can just slam it for most encounters but on amp bosses you hold for amp

we dont have anything to boost magnet other than bte crit buff

[split grove]

Raid = 20 outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

hoc you just press it, can maybe hold a bit for aoe

[split grove]

5 = small pp

[rigid basin]

Been debating on trying HoC, running myth key/whistle

Just haven't tried cuz sims tell me it does less

[humble oak]

Let's go, go bench pain par contre, dispatch > btw virgin enjoyer

[covert kestrel]

key and whistle are bis due to throwing vehicles at enemies as part of rotation

[stuck sparrow]

Probably from colonizing half the countries in the world

then self imposing

[leaden folio]

what you said is a bit wrong

[warped tide]

ive been thinking the dot dmg we take after ks wouldnt that be pretty cool to track? i mean like mages have WAs for alter time. does a thing like this exist?

[gaunt phoenix]

zac has one

zac has everything

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

oh its here too

[warped tide]

giga hah thanks!

[rigid basin]

Fair but just not a fan of key just not doing damage sometimes

[red zinc]

key not good

[covert kestrel]

Can I introduce you to the goat on use trinket, grim codex?

[late swallow]

grim codex is slept on

[gaunt phoenix]

it's terrible (it's 0.5% worse)

[late swallow]

are we sure it's implemented correctly in simc?

have we triple checked the implementation?

[hardy thicket]

It's also kinda weirdge to use as well to be fair lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't have a reason to doubt it

[late swallow]

jarvis check the grim codex implementation

[frank finch]

[rigid basin]

LMAO

[covert kestrel]

That doesn't account for the fact that each time you use it it increases your hog size by 0.01cm

[gaunt phoenix]

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/hogs-out-avatar-state-we-gif-24611152

[gaunt phoenix]

i feel like ryu has tainted this emote

he made it cringe

[late swallow]

[random stirrup]

cringe holy is so funny though

[covert kestrel]

NEW COOK ALERT

[random stirrup]

NEW COOK ALERT

59% haste

[hardy thicket]

oh jesus

PTSD

stahp

[random stirrup]

no ks no kir no ho gsw

[rigid basin]

So used in conjunction does it make the bike slightly bigger?

[late swallow]

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[gaunt phoenix]

this is 8 target

i thought hoc was a morbillion dps

[random stirrup]

need to use zac apl

[covert kestrel]

House of

[late swallow]

so piss maker + kezan is the schmoove?

[random stirrup]

weaves 18 snd casts in between btes for +80% dps

[covert kestrel]

I need to upgrade my gamer chair

[frank finch]

zac doesnt share anything i have asked

[gaunt phoenix]

He blocked you

[frank finch]

actually made me look

[red zinc]

wym hoc is the only reason i dont do more than 6m aoe

raiders win yet again

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

hoc and snd bug you mean

[late swallow]

you need more than this?

[stuck sparrow]

i like how no one used hoc

until a streamer did

[mighty pivot]

in s3 an int trinket will be bis

[stuck sparrow]

god that gaves me crucible of storms ptsd

you had rogues playing the intellect spear trinket in pvp

then blizz made it pacify you not silence

[random stirrup]

well "a streamer" is doing a lot of lifting here

i dont think zac is comparable to watching tettles or something

[stuck sparrow]

he isnt but it just shows

people are kinda sheep

[hardy thicket]

and this is news

[stuck sparrow]

like if zac played start of season with a myth minecart

then everyone thinks minecart is bis

[hardy thicket]

9/10 people dont even go into disc they just take whatever a top rogue on raider.io plays

[mighty pivot]

he should get a trinket randomizer

[stuck sparrow]

doesnt wowhead have

m+ suggestions

for most specs

as is

[hardy thicket]

you think sheep read wowhead

they play what the best play

[frail veldt]

Yes

[rigid basin]

Minecart is bis (at jump scaring my group on 3rd boss workshop)

[hardy thicket]

with no critical thought applied

[stuck sparrow]

i'd think if i wanna learn how a spec plays

to read a guide first

[frail veldt]

I think they read wowhead first

[civic zephyr]

i cant read

[frail veldt]

Most players don't even know about stuff like murlok.io

[stuck sparrow]

i remember when whispyr said he got shown a heatmap

of where people's focus on the guide is

i.e where they read up to

[stuck sparrow]

tbh i only use this shit for like pvp

because pvp is way more feelycraft

[covert kestrel]

I need a tube from the bottom to my mouth so I waste no nutrients while on my push key bender. Today we're hitting resilient 13 lads, like comment and subscribe

[stuck sparrow]

ask for a tip to be the anchor

easiest gold

[rigid basin]

Hmm is eye reliable enough to use in keys tho?

[mighty pivot]

zac plays in 800x600 resolution btw, it's optimal for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

no i just picked it as a control

placeholder

whats the word

[stuck sparrow]

arent most people not going to have packs stay alive long

[rigid basin]

Gotcha

[stuck sparrow]

for eye to gain real value

[rigid basin]

Fair, wasn't sure if there was some silly tech to stay in combat. But yeah this makes sense

[stuck sparrow]

It's like people dont acknowledge those doing the highest keys are effectively playing a different gamemode.

[gaunt phoenix]

depends how long you move into the next path

pack

[rigid basin]

Aye

And some keys it just isn't worth

Mechagon etc

[gaunt phoenix]

theatre/workshop/maybe cinderbrew has too much walking

[civic zephyr]

whats the most commonly used trinket for outlaw tho?

[gaunt phoenix]

geargrinder pacemaker magnet

[civic zephyr]

is it just house of cards?

ooh

pacemaker is one ive been trying to farm tbf

[random stirrup]

magnet design is so good

love that trinket

[civic zephyr]

magnet seems too

outlaw stacks it relatively fast too no? id assume

im hella new to this shit so im guessing LMAO

[gaunt phoenix]

the stack is rppm

so it's kind of the same for everyone

[fossil lintel]

I got a myth geargrinder, what bosses does it not work on? I think P2 of the last boss of workshop it doesn't hit

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw just having fat crit and vers, and poor stat scaling, means we like raw damage trinkets

[stuck sparrow]

is thug hotline like

not good at all

[hardy thicket]

it trolls cudgel

[gaunt phoenix]

it breaks the event weapon

something about the goonies staying in combat

[stuck sparrow]

i find it funny how like

no spec actually wants it

despite all the pre tier hype

[civic zephyr]

its fine single target i think

[fossil lintel]

I got a 21M crit on the first boss of ML with geargrinder, pretty decent

[civic zephyr]

just not for m+

[glass mortar]

i use it in raid

[random stirrup]

its good in st

[glass mortar]

its like our top simming trinket for that yea

[gaunt phoenix]

gallywix and rookery 1 and rookery 3

workshop i dont recall

[stuck sparrow]

yeah iirc its not terrible for sub in raid either

[glass mortar]

p2 of last boss of workshop

when hes the big bot u cant hit him iirc

[random stirrup]

ya its technically sub's best passive trinket on shorter fights in raid but the lust thing makes it a bit scary

[gaunt phoenix]

did u know you can lust 0.2s before the pull and it doesnt activate

[stuck sparrow]

though i remember seeing nukkz play hero energy drink

might be better or he just has nothing else

[random stirrup]

it also doesn't activate if lust is cast before you hit the boss right

even if its after pull

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure

[stuck sparrow]

i think my favorite part about gally

[random stirrup]

im pretty sure they mentioned it in sub at one point

[stuck sparrow]

is the fact he instant guns down any ranged

that pull early

[random stirrup]

but it makes me scared to play the trinket since it can just get bricked

[gaunt phoenix]

servers

[frank finch]

holy servers up

[gaunt phoenix]

get belt

[frank finch]

5 hours early

[stuck sparrow]

can you change belt power

in combat

[red zinc]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[red zinc]

not in dungeon either

[stuck sparrow]

oh they changed it

[red zinc]

checked yday

[glass mortar]

get into those DELVES

[stuck sparrow]

no more mid combat swap degeneracy

[glass mortar]

any delvers in the chat today?????

[stuck sparrow]

I'll reach the 1k delves achievement

eventually

[gaunt phoenix]

any expired subscriptions in chat

[glass mortar]

oh no solo is leaving us again

[stuck sparrow]

dont you only have to do 1 delve

to get the belt

[gaunt phoenix]

no i am waiting patiently

for killing spree reform

[stuck sparrow]

maybe get another power for bosses like mugzee

[glass mortar]

valid

if its not in s3 i will also be gone for the rest of the expac

[stuck sparrow]

because i dont think the bolts are smart enough to not zap an immune target

[glass mortar]

1 whole season of this

1 whole season

icant

[civic zephyr]

oh thats a thing, cos im a more "casual" shitter, can i use pacemaker magnet cos double on use seems daunting to me, im kinda washed up and already slow compared to the spec while learning

[late swallow]

going on 2 months of no wow

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine

[stuck sparrow]

though whats the range on charged bolts

[late swallow]

mental is immaculate

[random stirrup]

wtf is this

[gaunt phoenix]

2 months of no fap

[late swallow]

shaman status achieved

[stuck sparrow]

i raise you

not this week

[random stirrup]

big roulette wheel

[civic zephyr]

what stats are on your rolo?

[stuck sparrow]

That's a hero rolo

[civic zephyr]

im not a mythic gamer so hc is the same for a nub like me LMAO

[stuck sparrow]

i feel at that point you just play

crafted

[gaunt phoenix]

yee

[civic zephyr]

yeah i play crafted anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

you can like craft every slot that's not tier and trinkets

[stuck sparrow]

i've only seen one myth ring in vault

the ML ring

it was a dps loss for both sin and sub

[frail veldt]

I think minecart might be better than pacemaker if you play kirb

I regret my pacemaker pickup

[gaunt phoenix]

you think so

i think pacemaker is better at 6-8 targets

and minecraft at 1-5

[stuck sparrow]

i got pacemaker week 3

[gaunt phoenix]

by like 0.3% of course

[frail veldt]

For sure but pacemaker can lose value

[gaunt phoenix]

either which way

[frail veldt]

Minecart is always max value

Or almost max

Just feels like the crit goes to waste too as KiR

[civic zephyr]

is minecraft on use or proc tho :3

[gaunt phoenix]

how much crit do you have

[frail veldt]

Proc

[frail veldt]

Too much

[gaunt phoenix]

i see kir players with like 3900 crit

[civic zephyr]

oh that seems cool

[frail veldt]

Like 25% base

I'm trying to reduce it

[gaunt phoenix]

3900 crit 24000 vers

[frail veldt]

I have too many even split crit/vers gear

[gaunt phoenix]

what a spec we are playing

[glass mortar]

i think pacemaker is just a bait idk

checked some dungeons and i had 35-40% uptime on it

maybe just unlucky

since its a set time based proc with high uptime that requires uptime to maintain uptime

[civic zephyr]

maybe minecraft as a proc might be a better use of my time to get then

[glass mortar]

and since for HO minecart simmed identical for me i just got it

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are not mythic gamer

you should aim for +12 keys

[hybrid crown]

I've been using vexie and magnet

[gaunt phoenix]

and buy mythic wax whistle and mythic pacemaker from dinar

[random stirrup]

itll look even better in dungeons

you can sit the icd before it procs again out of combat

its like a scuffed on use with a 1min cd

[civic zephyr]

oooh okay, im hella new so im only like 1500 on rio atm

but working on things and will 100% take a look

ty solo <3

[gaunt phoenix]

you have to do +12 keys to buy mythic trinkets

[civic zephyr]

yeah i saw that

[gaunt phoenix]

which is fairly achievable

[stuck sparrow]

also belt boes are probably

going to tank in value

LMAO

[glass mortar]

or u can have it proc right as a pack is dying then fall off before u can get crits to extend it

idk my uptime in dungeons wasnt even matching sims where its ~50%

so i just ditched it

simmed the same on high target counts as minecart for me anyway

worse on lower (0.2% "worse" xd)

and if i play kir id want minecart anyway

minecart magnet gang gang

ive tried vexies trinket and i havent gotten it to be higher overall then magnet in a key yet even running them on the same key so i think im just locking in magnet 4fun

[rigid basin]

Damn I'm at 8k and 21k I shoulda sim and see if it's worth to move that around

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same

result

[rigid basin]

But moar tanky

I should see what it's like after the stat loss from belt

Running that cauldron belt so losing 1.3

[royal ermine]

[glass mortar]

its over for u brother

zero dps

[rigid basin]

LMAK

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR might wanna cut some crit there

and gain 0.9% dps

[frail veldt]

Sadly I'm running the haste slanted ring

Cuz it's my only myth

[worldly shale]

😮

[frail veldt]

It barely out sims running a champ track roulette

[worldly shale]

i got a banged hero roulette, still cant replace it

[leaden folio]

so much gear

(but lack of skill)

[tight kernel]

How do we get charged crystal belt thing?

[hardy hill]

is there a main difference in damage profile between outlaw and sin? is outlaw strong ST and consistent dps across the key and sin is extremely strong prio and aoe, but weak ST?

[frail veldt]

Kind of

Really depends what sin build you're playigb

[glass mortar]

the main difference is cd profile vs no cd profile and capped vs scaling past 8

[frail veldt]

Sin has a loooot of control over its damage profile

[craggy barn]

bro this patch is so stupid

they force u to play shadowpriest artifact quest line

[frail veldt]

Wym we aren't capped rn

We have cudgel

Lol

[glass mortar]

...

[craggy barn]

i hope they add cudgel to the talent tree 🙂

[frail veldt]

Ngl though

Cudgel helps a LOT

In uncapped

Like a lot a lot

[craggy barn]

ngl cudgel rebranded as gunpowder nonsense would be goated

[frail veldt]

Fr fr

[craggy barn]

blackpowder but outlaw style

[frail veldt]

10/10

[glass mortar]

i dont know if id call it a lot but it certainly helps a bit

[frail veldt]

Just a liiiittle passive uncapped aoe goes a long way for outlaw

[craggy barn]

i just want people to be able to see it

[glass mortar]

highest ive ever had cudgel was 10% of my dps and i was doing like 17m on the pull so it certainly boosted it noticably

[frail veldt]

In like 12+ target packs it does like 10-15% of my damage

Yeah

Cudgel cranks

[glass mortar]

i dont think it should regularly do that much of ur damage tho

[frail veldt]

I'm also night elf so I get a little extra

[glass mortar]

i mean the highest i had was 10% and that was on a 25 or 30 target civilian pull in rookery

[frail veldt]

Yeah it's not always that high but it's pretty high

[glass mortar]

like all the civilians to the first elemental

thats hardly standard

[craggy barn]

the fact its an item makes it kinda dumb it does so much

but they should just make it an outlaw talent

🙂

[frail veldt]

Well it's like 3% overall at the end of the key

[glass mortar]

yea 2-3%

[rigid basin]

I forget to swap it too often ngl

[glass mortar]

so its like 5X stronger on mass mass polls

[frail veldt]

I guess I'm checking after short ish packs so maybe that's whyb

[glass mortar]

but 5X stronger on 2% of ur damage

[craggy barn]

what if

[glass mortar]

is not even close to the scaling of real uncapped specs

[craggy barn]

they add it to blade rush

[frail veldt]

2-3%

[keen belfry]

7% of dmg first pull workshop, juicy

[frail veldt]

Ofc not

[rigid basin]

I kinda miss that button because why not more mobility

[glass mortar]

it also kinda depends on ur rolls which is funny

[frail veldt]

But still an extra 10% on 12 mil is pretty hefty

[glass mortar]

if u dont get TB itll be a bit lower

[frail veldt]

For sure

[craggy barn]

imagine the shadow quake on an uncapped skill

[glass mortar]

well it effectively is tho

it just takes a slightly longer delay to hit every target then it would on an uncapped spell

it wouldnt deal anymore damage

ur already proccing it on every target in a pack

[craggy barn]

yea but i meant visually

and audioally

[glass mortar]

the visual on the weapon is absolute cinima for sure

[craggy barn]

bro

why does blizzard

[glass mortar]

i will admit openly i have low CP kspreed so i could vanish faster on a mass low hp pack

[craggy barn]

want everyone to be a shadow priest

so bad

[glass mortar]

just to get that last cudgel proc in on all of them

the mass purple explosion

🤤

[wary bridge]

Blade rush meta when

[craggy barn]

when they buff it

[keen belfry]

make blade rush 2 min cd liks ks, buff it, make it take ks place

gg

[hardy hill]

is cudgel nonstop farmable? or youre capped to how often u can try to get it?

[bright crane]

For the belt - do we get 1 socket per week?

[keen belfry]

we'd be at peak outlaw

[bright crane]

Or do all 3 unlock from
The jump?

[glass mortar]

the event is once an hour halfway thru the hour

i think? or is it on the hour

i havent done it since i got my cudgel