outlaw

[hardy thicket]

isnt playing with the companion like automatically making shit way harder than what its worth

[shy pecan]

is the nightfall weapon being simmed correctly on raidbots?

[vapid sundial]

Yes

procs when you vanish in aoe (trash)

So it does big dam

Idk this just comes back to not being geared enough

You should be able to have vanish up a lot of the time

And evasion

[shy pecan]

when simming on 8 targets patchwerk 10 mins it sims worse than my 681 crafted dagger. But it should be the best offhand in aoe, im confused

[vapid sundial]

Sounds like a skill issue Idk

[sudden fulcrum]

i don't get the point of that

[vapid sundial]

Not to be mean

[hardy thicket]

why are you simming 8 targets 10 minutes?

[vapid sundial]

But genuinely

[shy pecan]

why not

[vapid sundial]

Sim dungeon slice

8 target 10 min is meme and terrible

[shy pecan]

i dont wanna sim dungeon slice for a weapon that i am not using on bosses

[stuck sparrow]

doesnt the gear cap out at 5 mask

just remove long night daredevil and multitudes

probably

[vapid sundial]

But isn't patchwerk bosses so the proc doesn't do anything??

[shy pecan]

Not sure, thats why im asking

[stuck sparrow]

daredevil long night

i would personally say long night is worse alas

[vapid sundial]

Again just to do m+ and come bakc 20 IL higher

[hardy thicket]

"The proc is implemented in sims if you use Latest mode, though the Vanish interaction only works in DungeonSlice or DungeonRoute. So you can at least model the effect it has overall."

@shy pecan

[shy pecan]

Ah yea pinned message says it only works on dungeon slice

thanks

reading is hard 😄

[vapid sundial]

For aoe you always use dungeon slice regardless

Pretty much

[stiff glade]

We can't get back on the platform after taking a gally bomb, right?

[stuck sparrow]

not unless you’re dracthyr

[vapid sundial]

Takes away sense of accomplishment to me. Idk

[stuck sparrow]

probably

[stiff glade]

Yea thought so

Grapple usually doesn't work if there isn't ground under us somewhere, but haven't actually checked for this fight

[vapid sundial]

I never did zekvir and doing him now wouldn't mean anything

Comparing bfa to now isn't fair

Player power was way higher

[sudden fulcrum]

it's too bad you can't complain the visions to death otherwise you'd have 8 mask done already

[vapid sundial]

Corruptions, cloak, azerite, heart of az

[sullen walrus]

how to turn on this track buffs in plater?

[stuck sparrow]

dhs still roll visions

like they did in bfa

[vapid sundial]

No stat Dr

No target cap

Stun on bte

Acrobatic

[sullen walrus]

@gaunt phoenix are u here bro? because all of them ignore my message xD

[vapid sundial]

If we knew we'd answer

It's not that we're ignoring you

[sullen walrus]

😦

[vapid sundial]

I know jack shit about plater

[stuck sparrow]

im lazy and just use elv

[vapid sundial]

I use elv but not lazy

Used*

I quit again after a few days ;^)

[stuck sparrow]

idk rogue sucks at solo content

ngl

oh idk rogue magetower was chill

you just talented mfd

valeera pants

prydaz buttcheeks

[vapid sundial]

Alright back to Diablo 3

[hybrid crown]

I wanted those feint pants so bad just for like world content and stuff. Never got them

I stopped playing before they did that legendary thing for deterministic leggies

[red zinc]

stormwind vision was so much more chill than this

random ass stuns every few seconds that arent dodgeable here man

bedge

[late swallow]

org visions were harder in bfa too

[red zinc]

i mean they arent harder

bosses seemingly have half the hp

[late swallow]

"seemingly"

[red zinc]

just gamon appearing all the time and stunning you with no counterplay

makes me want to punch

[vapid sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

Here we go again

[red zinc]

tank threat buff now

rogue nerf

(not an actual rogue nerf just a meme before someone with zero comprehension reads this)

[vapid sundial]

[craggy barn]

tank threat is fixed horay

[hybrid crown]

Do tanks love outlaw rogue for keys like is it noticeable

I've started tanking keys and haven't run with an outlaw so idk

[craggy barn]

it can help with initial threat, but doesnt really stop dev burst threat

[sullen walrus]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[craggy barn]

its just nice to have some sort of misdirect to help with certain pulls

[sullen walrus]

zomb bro, maybe u can help me

[craggy barn]

whatsup

[sullen walrus]

how to turn on this buffs?

[craggy barn]

uh

i dont use that so idk

i can find out

[sullen walrus]

😭

[sudden fulcrum]

seems likely to be a WA

[craggy barn]

i was under the impression that was removed when cooldown manager was put in

no

well

if u mean just worK

sure

if u mean will actually do damage

no

the gcd penalty is already a huge dps loss

[sudden fulcrum]

the one button rotation will never be close to optimal and that's intended

[craggy barn]

and ultimately kinda screws the whole gameplay

[azure vortex]

Ladz I am doing something wrong, not sure what it is, I feel like I'm doing good damage but it's very low, can someone review my log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aMqARVfyQktXgmWr?fight=last&type=damage-done

[simple relic]

yo hey im using #showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead,exists][] Between the eyes
and i cant seem to mouseover my focus frame

[frank finch]

fyi can use wow analyzer now for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly for HO

[frank finch]

ahh

ho gang wins again

[gaunt phoenix]

this is kir 1fth so you need god's intervention to understand its logs

You used feint 175 times

is that really necessary?

[mighty pivot]

try /run SetCVar("nameplateShowPersonalCooldowns", 1)

[rotund zodiac]

I just got x8 ace proc

[azure vortex]

probably not

[simple relic]

bump

should this work and its mybe elvui?

[gaunt phoenix]

!log @azure vortex lets go to thread

[mighty pivot]

you mean you mouseover the focus target unit frame and it doesn't work, or even the nameplate?

[simple relic]

nameplate works

just the focus one doesnt

[craggy barn]

its working for me but i just use SUF

[mighty pivot]

is your focus frame clickable or is it set to click-through

[simple relic]

clickable

its like my button doesent even press

like i dont see it going off at all

no error message or anything

[civic void]

any chance you are not facing your focus ?

[mighty pivot]

where is it bound

[simple relic]

no its im literally testing it now it the bte literally doesnt go off

[mighty pivot]

is it bound to a mousebutton

[simple relic]

like its not even trying to be pressed

ye

[craggy barn]

oh yea that would scuff it

[mighty pivot]

mousebuttons & mouseover doesn't work out of the box

[craggy barn]

mouse buttons are scuffed with unit frames

[sullen walrus]

but i dont want to see rtb buffs

[simple relic]

so im just cucked

[craggy barn]

ye

[mighty pivot]

I think maybe with clique or something you can set it up but never used it

[simple relic]

ye was just thinkink about it

[craggy barn]

or

[simple relic]

just full default and have clique for that shit

[craggy barn]

rebind ur mouse button to a keyboard button

pepw

[simple relic]

nah i have my rota on my mouse(naga)

cant really swap that shit

[mighty pivot]

there aren't any other customization points through the cvars afaik. If someone has more fine grained buffs/debuffs it might be through an addon or wa

you can bind your mousebutton to act as if a keyboard button was pressed

[craggy barn]

yea if if its specific buffs in a specific order, its probably a weak aura anchored to the personal resource display

[covert kestrel]

why dont you just use one of the weakaura packs? idk of anyone that uses plater to track these things

[sullen walrus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[simple relic]

okay i made it work with clique

[shy pecan]

might be a weird question, but the blasphemite gem can be placed into every socket and not only the head right? 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[shy pecan]

ty, sim tells me to place it into my head for some reason when I have it inside my ring socket atm

[late swallow]

damn, zac's +20 mead was almost 2 mins faster than ross's

sin comp washed or what?

[vale warren]

outlaw needs nerfing i guess

[bright crane]

Get that energy out of here immediately

[vale warren]

:3

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it just picks head by default

[vale warren]

killing spree too powerful they should just remove it from the game tbh

[bright crane]

agreed

Just too strong

[craggy barn]

they should just remove ks but not change anything else

🙂

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[craggy barn]

just leave a huge hole in outlaw trickster gameplay

[bright crane]

I wish it was BR

[gaunt phoenix]

instead of simming blasphemite in every slot, which is the same thing and just wastes electricity, it just picks head and sticks with it

[bright crane]

Pour one out for the homie BR

[gaunt phoenix]

ion was right this kir container shit has to go

[hidden bay]

he didnt specifically say kir container did he?

[gaunt phoenix]

no lol

it's just the definitive example of outlaw needing weakauras to understand

[fair sparrow]

I can’t read or use search functions due to a disgusting brain dent

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[fair sparrow]

Thank you nyanmoroes

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel last boss wep good ye?

or

instead of cauldron wep

[crimson coral]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[proven ocean]

or is cauldron wep better

zac

?

@gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

in keys i think crowd favorite wins

the proc just does nothing

cant weapon swap gally weapon either

[verbal fjord]

Okay guys i have a problem now since i got 2 Crowd favorites the macro fucks up my weapon switches and i get 2 authority of the depths

[vapid blaze]

i guess the cloak? xD

[gaunt phoenix]

you can swap by bag slot

like this #outlaw message

[verbal fjord]

how tho i never did it i just copyd macros

[vapid blaze]

cause magnet i could just buy with dinars anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

oh yea cloak is goat

[reef forge]

nice

[verbal fjord]

gz!!

the name lmao

not better than my rogue name tho

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

Wait till we time the 21

[verbal fjord]

solo i dunno how but this macro wont work

[gaunt phoenix]

its based on bag slot so you have to adjust the numbers based on ur bag

also make sure your bag doesnt auto sort stuffs

[vivid vessel]

im stacking them

very sad boi

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

ross

[proven ocean]

how cringe is this

can never get r1 all dmg

[vivid vessel]

noob

[proven ocean]

our devoker sometimes opens 10m dps

on adds

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[proven ocean]

and u know adds that spawn

in p3

they die in 2 seconds

[vivid vessel]

you will also kill before the last spawn now

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

so

[proven ocean]

they die

in 2 seconds

not even kidding

[vivid vessel]

last reset we killed before

[random stirrup]

noob

[vivid vessel]

so i ended my streak

gg

got r1 every week till last week

[proven ocean]

bro i need to go maghar orc

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

i legt will destroy r1's alot harder

i think i get r1 all stars soon will see

if i get to kill the bosses well

it'll be gg

[vivid vessel]

ross does your addon says that tho

[proven ocean]

fml i got 99 on cauldron forgot kezan equipped

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

i mean

sin is rly easy to play perfect

just rng

[random stirrup]

why do u delay ur 2nd dm so much

[proven ocean]

and raid comp

nothing else

[vivid vessel]

padder

[random stirrup]

isnt it turbo cucking ur 4min

pad

[vivid vessel]

fuck the padder !

[random stirrup]

like ur dming after adds die

[proven ocean]

no

they die in 2 seconds

whats the point

[vivid vessel]

pre ramp

[random stirrup]

ye

[proven ocean]

idk can try next time but impossible imo

[random stirrup]

pre ramp

[vivid vessel]

get the last tick on adds

[random stirrup]

its how u have to play sub

[proven ocean]

sub is way easier

sin isnt

brother my dmg is

3.6m

and

r1 is like 4m?

idk i didnt check

but

i think r1 is 4m or someshit

[random stirrup]

u either do boss dmg or do overall dmg on that fight

padder central

unless ur based ethical outlaw

[frank finch]

i cant seem to parse on sprocket

the coin just procs half way threw the fight or never

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

omgogmgomgomgOMGOMGogmOGMogmOGMogm

finally

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[vivid vessel]

ye

16% is a very low number for threat tho so

[proven ocean]

it got buffed

like

50% by now

this tier

or someshit

and its still bad XD

[gaunt phoenix]

i need the gif

of bear tank hitting the mines on sennarth

[late swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880935951106048/1054693009918275604/giphy.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

ty

[jolly geyser]

I didnt like that boss

[gaunt phoenix]

the thrash at the end

pure comedy

[craggy barn]

zac

ur washed

[next wedge]

i just had a tank who chained in the worst possible way

for the whole dungeon

feels so bad

[vivid vessel]

what

[craggy barn]

99???

washed

[vivid vessel]

its vexie dude

litteraly impossible to r1 vexie man

[craggy barn]

washed i say!

[vivid vessel]

it average out to 10

so idc

noob

[craggy barn]

ur parses suck compared to mine

pepw

[lime lake]

i cant believe this

i remember when zac was the pinnacle of outlaw gaming

[craggy barn]

ikr

[lime lake]

now hes out here with 99s

[craggy barn]

tsk tsk

[sudden fulcrum]

unreal

[craggy barn]

giga washed

yoo im top 300 outlaw world

huge

[jolly geyser]

all 1000 outlaw players

[late swallow]

now that maximus quit, zac is r1 all stars outlaw

[craggy barn]

this one is funny

3k as sub

my mini season goal is done

3.4k, now i just chill and sometimes pug keys

[glass mortar]

What is r1 vexie for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

5m

[glass mortar]

Frick

If I was in a real guild I'd have it

Was at 5.1m last night when we finished first burn

Boss lived another 1m tho

I rolled 6 5 buffs as ho in a row

Had it for basically all of p1 and most of the first burn

[proper veldt]

[gaunt phoenix]

at 3:30s?

no outlaw log is faster than that

[late swallow]

we miss you king

[wintry solar]

Need a build without vanish for this solo content.

Getting ✨️annoying✨️

[glass mortar]

Uhhh I'd need to check

When is first burn usually ending

It starts at like 2m right

1.5m

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you would need a faster than 3:30s kill

need extra good guild

[glass mortar]

Our kill was like 4m and some change

[craggy barn]

use gold to buy a good guild

[glass mortar]

I think our dam phase ended early tho

[craggy barn]

how do u end it early

[hybrid crown]

Pay a pug group stacked with dks to death grip and CC the ads on top of you

[dim widget]

true

[proven ocean]

skill issue

now imagine if every rogue played outlaw

it'd be impossible to get r1 on almost every boss

[dim widget]

we doint talk about that here

[vivid vessel]

uh

trhat wouldnt change anything

[proven ocean]

sure

lots of good rogues in raid zac

outlaw is very easy in raid

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter

im the best

[proven ocean]

ur overestimating ur parses alot

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

99.9% of assa players stinky lowkey

Wouldnt change anything

now if dogwoofwoof came back

[frank finch]

blud said your parses aint shit

[red zinc]

that’d be scary

[proven ocean]

you'd be lucky to get 1-2 r1's if all rogues played outlaw

[frank finch]

[vivid vessel]

if you say so

[red zinc]

damn this 0.8s gcd got hands

[proven ocean]

m+ is way different

[red zinc]

[proven ocean]

than raid

[vivid vessel]

sure

we will see when outlaw is meta

enver

[proven ocean]

well

it was meta in season 1 DF

so

[red zinc]

In raid?

[proven ocean]

and u did play outlaw back then

yes

everyone played it

till raszageth then ppl swapped to sub

[red zinc]

Didnt it get nerfed after like 2 weeks

[vivid vessel]

i wasnt the same guy tbh

[proven ocean]

alot of ppl still played outlaw that tier abit

then s2 everyone stopped playing outlaw

[red zinc]

The +15 key clear rate incident

[vivid vessel]

and i was in a random guild

that did like 3 reclears

so

[proven ocean]

zac wasn't zac guys

[vivid vessel]

you dont think i improved

since df

[proven ocean]

you were honestly dogshit in s1

[vivid vessel]

nice to hear

[proven ocean]

u started to become decent in s2

[quaint sable]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[proven ocean]

i mean thats an honest answer idk

[vivid vessel]

it is

[proven ocean]

ur a good rogue now tho

[vivid vessel]

im not affected

watching naruto rn

[proven ocean]

cuz i was bad at some point too

not just you

[red zinc]

yeah

season 4 df

[proven ocean]

everyone is bad at certain seasons

i didnt even play s4

[frank finch]

im still bad

[red zinc]

exactly

you were literally doing 0 dps

[proven ocean]

true

[vivid vessel]

washed up

[proven ocean]

zac

what do i do

[vivid vessel]

eat

[proven ocean]

idk order food or watch a tv show or movie

idk

what food

[vivid vessel]

both

eat while watching

[dim widget]

pizza

[vivid vessel]

thats what im doing rn

eating rice

while wathcing naruto

[proven ocean]

but zac

what do i watch

[frank finch]

as a resident fat boy this is how you get into trouble

[proven ocean]

idk what towatch

no cappi

[vivid vessel]

im still lean

i will worry about that when im 30

leen?

lin

lean

[frank finch]

true ur still a YN

[proven ocean]

lean

wdym lin

wtf

[dim widget]

YN?

[frank finch]

if u know u know

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stiff glade]

Just heal me bro wdym

[abstract frost]

thats wild

🤣

[proven ocean]

i mean he was

i was always playing m+ with him i remmeber

like

not even with bad rng i lost dps

always gapped him

[covert kestrel]

just did a floodgate as 1fth with no deft. 0/10 would not recommend

[prime cloud]

Which is the best spec to open the vault with?

(inb4 faq has that I didnt see it)

sorry if missed

[hybrid crown]

The only difference is weapons

[novel slate]

the one you like to play the most, only difference is daggers vs axes/maces/swords/fistweapons

[vale warren]

bro HATES combo points

[hybrid crown]

If you want swords go outlaw, daggers go sub/assa

If you play only outlaw just stay outlaw. Daggers are for nerds

[prime cloud]

Yeah - is a 1h that is not a dagger that much better than crafted 1h to fish for it?

[covert kestrel]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[hybrid crown]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[covert kestrel]

BEAT YA

[hybrid crown]

I owe

A coke

[prime cloud]

tyvm!

[dim widget]

however the cantrip weapons from raid are very good, so try to dinar those if you can anyway

[covert kestrel]

also transmogging both 1h to something cool is 10% dps gain over nerdy lil daggers

[prime cloud]

Im m+ nerd only - using the champ wep + got the capo from weekly quest bag

[dim widget]

then your oh is set for outlaw

[prime cloud]

ye so its probably only good to fish for mh for 3ilvl upgrade over crafted

which is like nothing

[dim widget]

na 3ilvl mh upgrade is decent

i would fish for that every single week

[prime cloud]

i had haste/mastery mace in vault just now but picked myth track legs as an upgrade from champ

[dim widget]

bad pick probably

[prime cloud]

but ye doesnt really matter playing for funsies

[dim widget]

always sim your vaults

[prime cloud]

asking to know the general stuff

[dim widget]

general advice: mh weapon damage is king

[hushed quest]

hmmm can we have 2 crafted rings?

[prime cloud]

legs upgrade sims 1% higher than wep

just checked

[dim widget]

yes

[dim widget]

good then haha 😄

but does surprise me

[hushed quest]

same stats or do they have to be different?

[dim widget]

can be same

[hushed quest]

😮

[dim widget]

only limiting thing is embellishments

[prime cloud]

doesnt surprise me - i had champ legs haha

[dim widget]

well

but you get hero in keys

so i would sim hero vs the wepaon

since you eventually get deterministic hero legs

but myth track weapon is gamble for you since you dont raid

[prime cloud]

ye right - should be very close then

same goes for legs tbf

[dim widget]

buzt weapon more impact usually

[prime cloud]

but ye its more plausiable to get legs

[dim widget]

but doesnt matter too much

ig

[red zinc]

dawg

cant be sayin this

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel

quit wow

you re a solo levelling player now

[dim widget]

based

[spiral matrix]

guys i started playing a bit ago as a outlaw and i need to craft a weapon, but idk what changes if i use a dagger or a mace on the second hand, do i lose something?

[frank finch]

[craggy barn]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[spiral matrix]

0.2 bruh

[brittle oracle]

Hey all! My Rogue is an alt, and if i'm just doing M+ (just 12s and 13s) and no raid beyond Heroic: which raid cantrip is better to dinar? Capo or Gally Thumb?

[civic void]

Capo

[brittle oracle]

Rad, thank you! I appreciate it

[glass mortar]

dont show ross this or when u go to sleep tonight, hes gunna be under ur bed

☠️

[civic void]

But depending on how much you wanna bother for this key level you are fine with a crafted weapon + the cudgel weapon from the 11.1.5 event

[glass mortar]

two mythic ilvl dungeon trinkets (if u dont already have any) might be better then a capo yea

since for herioc capo u would only swap it on for bosses

[brittle oracle]

currently i have crafted+champ capo. Didn't know if the capo effect was better than the effect+stats of a thumb.

[glass mortar]

and its a pretty small gain over a crafted/684 oh

thumb is not used generally outside raid

it is not good in aoe and it cannot be weaponswapped with cudgel

[brittle oracle]

gotcha

[glass mortar]

even if not bothering with weaponswapping u would still use any difficulty of capo over it (at same difficulty ilvl)

[brittle oracle]

sweet! sounds like my Capo's geting a facelift then!

[glass mortar]

u might wanna sim if u dont have mythic ilvl trinkets tho

a myth dungeon trinket could be a larger upgrade even ST then a herioc capo oh

crafted oh is not much weaker

[brittle oracle]

i managed a myth Pacemaker and it's paired with a Hero Junkmaestro

[glass mortar]

hmm

probably very close then, but if u only have a champ capo right now a hero track one is probably a bigger upgrade

and then u never need to craft an oh

[shy pecan]

@vivid vessel I am watching your dfc 21 run, before first boss you snd on 2 cp and reduce your AR cd by 8 sec. how?

[glass mortar]

idk what ur spending ur sparks on mostly

hes using supercharger bug

same as old ER bug (just weaker)

[brittle oracle]

tbh, not much. Really just started the alt a couple weeks ago and at first i was focusing on Sin haha

[shy pecan]

Does this affect all of his finishers or only snd?

[vale warren]

probably kidney too

[glass mortar]

only SnD

[shy pecan]

how does it work?

[glass mortar]

well maybe kidney but u cant spam that

and u dont use this when u have a target to hit

[shy pecan]

because it can actually make a big difference

between packs you can drop ar cdr by a ton

[vale warren]

if your last finisher consumed supercharger then snd acts as if it consumed one too

[glass mortar]

if u consume a supercharged stack with a normal finisher and then cast SnD it counts as if it was effected by supercharged but doesnt consume the effect

so +3 cp basically

[shy pecan]

interesting, ty

[vale warren]

80% chance for ruthlessness

so you can spam it until you get unlucky

[shy pecan]

y

[vale warren]

they should make supercharger +4 :)

really nice on rik intermission and stuff too

[shy pecan]

but it only works when your last finisher consumed supercharger?

really interesting thanks 🙂

[glass mortar]

ya

and u still need to have at least 1 charge i believe (could not be the case tho)

[narrow reef]

Should I choose Zee's Thug Hotline or Pacemaker?

[idle plover]

Does anyone have a weak aura to use Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet?

[glass mortar]

zees thug hotline is a raid only trinket if u play cudgel

so probably pacemaker if those are ur two options

but zees is also technically BiS on some raid fights (by like 0.2%)

[narrow reef]

it's mostly for m+ anyways

So defo pacemaker?

[glass mortar]

well if u dont bother with cudgel then u should sim

but if u run with cudgel u dont want hotline

so yea

[narrow reef]

I simmed for ST but what's the best way to sim for m+ for rogues?

I assume you don't sim dungeon cleave

[glass mortar]

dslice is fine

if u just wanna see how the trinkets scale at additional targets u can also compare an 8t patchwerk sim to ur 1t patchwerk and see how the trinkets scaled differently

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar @daring oxide @fathom bramble https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxl280H2rI0pKXX6sAuQZ-Xe1Fpwf7XEQE?si=AMMoMFqOhyFB-DeT

its kinda crazy i pull there or

killing spree is an insane spell

[low sinew]

I love Killing Spree

[glass mortar]

what u dont like the social distancing of the pack kspree forces on you?

i know ur 1 yard from a target with a tiny hitbox, but you really wanted to be 8 yard backs throwing that ass in an rng circle no?

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[lime lake]

Outlaw pistol spec and never have to worry about range again

Rise up

[woeful otter]

hi zac could u share this WA？

[vivid vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

its in the rogue thing here

you can extract it

[low sinew]

what if killing spree moved the mob around the rogue

[vivid vessel]

fr fr

[glass mortar]

what if killing spree moved the entire game around the rogue

and u got to just sit there with a chillin camera

while every other player in the game threw up

[low sinew]

yes

make it a glyph

[proven ocean]

Would be as chaotic as killingspreeing the beam on cauldron boss

[glass mortar]

that shit is so fun man

[proven ocean]

M+ triple killingspree and u get a wow earthquake grade 100

[glass mortar]

i try to do it whenever i know i will be safe to bait with the timer

im sure this spell is gunna be banned from my raid by next season xd

same on rikky

watching this massive beam just whiplash back and forth at lightning speed

[low sinew]

If the spell isnt removed from the game by next season

[lime lake]

[low sinew]

I sure hope it isnt

[gaunt phoenix]

All we know is that zac was approached by some wow community person collecting data on ks

[glass mortar]

thatd be funny

all i know is zac at this point is the best or tied for best outlaw in the world overall (raid, m+ combined) and if u watch him stream he still just dies or does some dumbshit that wipes them/almost does on the reg every time he streams

and it is certainly not because he is a bad player making bad decisions

this ability is not playable in the true challenging content of the game unless u want to not be doing enough damage to bother playing the spec

it does not belong in modern wow

i dont believe the wow devs dont realize that

it just hasnt been fixed yet

[craggy barn]

regardless of how good u are, ks can just kill u

[low sinew]

skill issue

[glass mortar]

if u watched zac in previous season the fuker never dies

and i understand why, outlaw is so immortal usually

its all this one spell

[craggy barn]

ks is like the reverse alter time

u press it when ur safe, and then u die when it ends

[low sinew]

I switched from Sub to Outlaw like 4 days ago and I think I've only had 1 M+ key where KS hasn't killed me or almost killed me xD

so its definitely not friendly to people new to the spec

[glass mortar]

yea i mean, cant make much more of a solid argument then the highest outlaw player in the game pushing the hardest content is dying to this ability multiple times a session

and hes not standing in the wrong spot, hes not making very poor decisions

its just

a trainwreck

[craggy barn]

hes not ever deliberately fudging the death numbers

its just that bad with how much agency u lose

ive died a few times where i was pretty sure i was 100% safe, then a fucking swirly appears where i started and i have 0 agency on that death

like brain storms in motherlode

[low sinew]

My favourite one is when you do DFC and the big candle monsters and you cast it a split second before they do their big AoE over where you casted it and you get 2s to comtemplate why you're playing outlaw before dying

[craggy barn]

not to mention the ks stagger bug

[glass mortar]

i mean yea the ks stagger bug is just like

i dont even care if its fixed frankly because id rather htey have taken 100% of the time spent to figure out what is surely a strange and difficult bug, and spent it just deleting or reworking the spell instead

[craggy barn]

ks worked fine when the game's content wasnt actively trying to kill everyone every single second

[glass mortar]

oh this ability is dangerous and can rng kill u if u press it at a normal mechanic time and sometimes it bugs and just kills u even if u used it safely

[craggy barn]

they gotta remove any forced agency removal shit

like theres a difference between greeding a cast

and just not ever being able to cancel out of it

like they fucking added fyralath on use as a class ability to warriors

lol

pretty much*

and thats barely better than ks in terms of killing u

[unkempt cypress]

Blade rush trickster would be sick

[bright crane]

100%

Like legit

That would an acceptable stopgap until a real solution comes

In my humble, meager, and peasantly opinion

[haughty wigeon]

i fear no man

[copper radish]

would it ever be feasible for outlaw to have one of those talents "X ability dmg is increased 30% on targets below 35%" or keep dreaming? lol

[glass mortar]

sure that would be a boring way to add an execute but nothing wrong with it

blizzard doesnt seem to want to give us any other type of damage pattern tho so

seems unlikely

[craggy barn]

killing spree not having execute attached to it s a missed opportunity

[copper radish]

maybe one day a mastery rework lmao

[glass mortar]

killing spree should do more damage based on hp level (your own, lower is higher damage)

[craggy barn]

like current hp?

or max

cuz that would be wack

[glass mortar]

current

[low sinew]

it does it's applied to the caster

[craggy barn]

so ud never do full damage

[glass mortar]

300% damage at 30% hp

[craggy barn]

bc healers would never let u be low

[glass mortar]

600% at 1%

[copper radish]

id love that for pvp from killing spree if it did that lol

[craggy barn]

big dampening ender

wouldve been nice during bfa s3

during giga dampening wizard meta

[fathom whale]

should i be blasting KS off cd outside of subterfuge in m+ if i wont get spat out into a swirly ?

[craggy barn]

yes

[fathom whale]

roger

[craggy barn]

highest priority finisher outside of stealth

[fathom whale]

im not hitting it enough

[craggy barn]

its really important to get 2 guaranteed unseen blades procs

[light fossil]

i'm trying KIR for the first time

i find myself having to cast sinister strike two times per bte during subterfuge

feels awful

[craggy barn]

luck

[strong halo]

how do i sim nightfall gravel? it shows as big dps loss for me

[glass mortar]

u cant on patchwerk

it works on dungeonroute ive heard, and dslice i think?

but its been pretty mathed out, there is no offhand weapon in the game stronger in dungeon aoe

it starts to pull ahead from oh myth capo at like 3 targets

[strong halo]

ah i see the dif on dungeon slice

just doesnt show on 5 targets i guess

[glass mortar]

the effect never resetso n patchwork

so its literally just the weapon

[covert kestrel]

@proven ocean xd

[molten oasis]

Any numbers been done yet about the belt ? Or waiting till relise with how much stuff changers atm

[daring oxide]

Guys I just had a nightmare, I saw the alpha version of 11.2 and the new tier set double downs on killing spree.

Unfortunately the 4 set increases the attacks of killing spree to 2 per CP basically doubling the duration

And the 2 set makes it do 50% more crit damage…

And what makes it worse is that they don’t rework killing spree to remove teleports for 11.2 it’s so scary

[lime lake]

doubling the duration would mean the stagger bug can happen for a comparatively shorter amount of the total cast

so in a way it fixes it

[wintry solar]

Forumites rejoice!

Outdoor content is going to go so hard

[proven ocean]

bro just described every anime in the world except one piece

anime has the best side charecters of all animes in the world of anime

[haughty wigeon]

i appologize for nothing

[molten oasis]

Any numbers been done yet about the belt ? Or waiting till relise with how much stuff changers atm

[haughty wigeon]

belt is poopy

but most likely gonna get giga buffed

[proven ocean]

idk what this is supposed to mean

but u sound like an anime hater

thats fine tho

im cool with it

new and good + trendy = lets hate it

thats how u bend ur brain to become like this

no cappi

[wintry solar]

He literally solos all of fiction

[daring oxide]

This stagger bug annoys me so much

[late swallow]

Old = good

New = bad

Sorry, I don’t make the rules

[fossil lintel]

I read the entire novel for solo leveling. The best part of the story was in season 1 and early season 2, the rest from here sucks hard

[tight kernel]

is KIR the move for gally?

[gloomy pasture]

what to buy with dinars? heroic tier and i already have weapons

[strong cargo]

Outside of stealth, with 5cp, audacity proc and opportunity proc, should I use a finisher or send a builder and waste CPs ? I think finisher was better but i'm not sure

[strong cargo]

What sim the best/you like the best

[fossil lintel]

With HO you finish with 5 if you have subterfuge, PS or audacity

[gloomy pasture]

?

[fathom whale]

any secrets for using this ? do we macro it or just hit the button? weakaura?

[frosty python]

do i have too much Vers? should i drop some and go more Crit? Sims aren't really telling me much

[torpid fiber]

if sims are saying it doesn't affect dps, then keeping the higher vers is going to be better because of the damage reduction

[strong cargo]

There is no difference in dps between holding or sending on cooldown, so if you are playing double on use, try not to use magnet if your other trinket is <20s, and saving stacks to use on a better target or during a damage amp is always good

[gloomy pasture]

what to buy with dinars? heroic tier and i already have weapons? in wowhead all it show is weapons

[proven ocean]

wowhead dropped the bomb

its time for balance to get buffed

[strong cargo]

What do you have acces to ? Myt raid ? Myt dungeons (all 12s) ?

[gloomy pasture]

just heroic, i think the last item in 2 weeks i will be able to buy with all 12s

[long barn]

How do I do the pre pull stuff in M+

[strong cargo]

Then capo hc if you don't have, or trinkets 🤷‍♂️

[long barn]

It doesn’t seem to work for me

[strong cargo]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[proven ocean]

guys

[gloomy pasture]

have capo so just trinket i Guessing

[proven ocean]

when is belt coming

next reset?

or

?

!

?

!

[long barn]

Next week no?

[proven ocean]

wdym "no?" thats what im asking

i have no idea

[strong cargo]

I mean what do you expect ? 😄 there is only weapons and trinkets ahah, if you already have the weapon then it's trinkets

[strong cargo]

If you will have all 12s soon maybe save 2 dinars to buy Myt trinkets

[long barn]

Yes it’s supposed to be next week

[proven ocean]

okok

[long barn]

Releases with the supercharged delves

Or whatever

[wintry solar]

Surely they'll get buffed

[long barn]

One would think

Right now it’s like trash

[wintry solar]

I still have champ track belt so I don't really have a choice

[gloomy pasture]

i mean out of the trinket i can get on myt by doing 12s only improvised is good for me all the others is raid needed so i take one heroic and improvised next.

[strong cargo]

Whistle is good aswell iirc

[wintry solar]

First weekly

Got heroic hoc

It's been my ride or die

[sturdy tartan]

I have mythic geargrinders, should i use my cartel chips on myth pace maker or myth whistle for M+?!

[strong cargo]

You can sim, I think pacemaker is ahead

[sturdy tartan]

yeah pacemaker is ahead for dungeon slice, but i'm wondering if whistle might be the way to go since it sims higher on ST and my dps is struggling on bosses

[covert kestrel]

trinkets all doo doo it doesnt matter

whistle bis due to funny cart animation

sometimes fast cart sometimes slow cart

scare your party

good fun bis bis bis

[wintry solar]

HoC bis if you like playing poker or blackjack or whatever

[covert kestrel]

BALATRO

[wintry solar]

Real

He gets it

Frontier

I have 15

9 and a 6

House has a jack

Do I hit or stay?

[torpid fiber]

why tf you asking them to do arithmetic that's just cruel

[wintry solar]

The other 2 players have face cards as well

A queen and a king

[covert kestrel]

hit pussy

scared money dont make money

[wintry solar]

Scared money don't make money let's fuckin go

Ace

16

Hit

20

I'm staying

Worst case scenario I break even

I won

GG frontier

House can suck my bawls

[torpid fiber]

My gut is that hitting was the correct play

If you don't hit I feel like your chances of winning are pretty rough

[wintry solar]

I typically hit at 16 or below anyway

But the amount of face cards was concerning

Everyone had one but me

[torpid fiber]

that just means you're slightly less likely to get one

which is good

[true cedar]

thats the same reasoning why sometimes send a crackshot at 4 combo points because i know i am lucky on that finisher and it almost always fills it back up for me

becuase my mastery is so high

[wintry solar]

It should be but I have a bad habit of being reckless

This guy

[fossil lintel]

Dealer with a jack is a hit on 15 yeah

[wintry solar]

Making money moves

I love gambling at work

[teal garnet]

finally

with the mount 😎

[wintry solar]

Sick

You think technology doesn't really advance that much because magic makes certain technologies redundant?

This tier got me thinking

All the technology is really built for war and manual labor

[midnight granite]

who do I buy the offhand from?

the mace?

[proven ocean]

U buy offhand from the mace? Wtf

Watchu mean buy from the mace cuh

[midnight granite]

radiant mace

[proven ocean]

[midnight granite]

cuh

[proven ocean]

Blue

[late swallow]

[proven ocean]

Or do i call u pink

Cuz

Idk

[midnight granite]

call me dumb

[proven ocean]

But heres a video that explains it

[late swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231784709634265128/1375971942720602233/image0.gif

[west ridge]

in hallowfall

[proven ocean]

Ya

[west ridge]

wtf

[midnight granite]

I found the problme

I don't have friendly plates on

[proven ocean]

Problme

[midnight granite]

[cinder oxide]

so i have myth track knuckles mainhand, should i be swapping crowd favorite offhand and cudgel on trash? is it still worth? am i a little monkey

[covert kestrel]

Yaaaaaaa

[cinder oxide]

yippee!!!

[midnight granite]

for the offhand weapon swap cheese can I get more value if I tab target?

or

just leave it on and forget it

and only swap on bosses

[gaunt phoenix]

bf triggers it

so tab does nothing

[hybrid crown]

That purple burst is the wep proccing

[storm drum]

you mean BTE triggers it after vanish with bf up kekw

big dam big fuk dam

[hybrid crown]

You will see basically every mob explode after you vanish and on pull

[fathom whale]

on cd? i dont need to let it stack?

[tight kernel]

We dont use gally wep for keys right?

crowd is better for oh?

[fair sparrow]

how important is it to press KS off cd

i very much dislike that ability

[torpid fiber]

quite important

better to send it at low cp than to hold it for too long

[fair sparrow]

really?

wow

[gaunt phoenix]

ks basically funds coup de grace on its own

[fair sparrow]

yeah its just

quite a pain in the ass in m+

[gaunt phoenix]

just how outlaw is rn

11.2 ptr ks changes soon

[harsh mural]

havent played much outlaw since the new supercharger HR build came out--is it the most popular?

[wintry solar]

I didn't know opp doesn't proc unless you have a 1h equipped in main hand

[harsh mural]

or do ppl prefer old KIR?

[gaunt phoenix]

kir a bit more popular at higher keys

but specifically kir with 1 point in fan the hammer

[strong halo]

what melee should u use on bosses for m+? crafted with ascendance?

dagger*

[gaunt phoenix]

you mean offhand?

[strong halo]

yeah sorry

actually prbly no effect

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont have mythic capo mainhand, then heroic capo offhand should be a bit ahead of crafted

[harsh mural]

ITS CHANGING EVERY TIME I COME BACK TO OUTLAW MAN

[gaunt phoenix]

popularity is mostly perception based

ho and kir are largely identical

everyone was ho at first

then some bugfixes and zac propoganda, kir popularity has risen

[edgy phoenix]

hos mad

cudgel propaganda

[strong halo]

so heroic Capo 671 off hand > craft dagger 681 for m+? on bosses

and grudgel for trash

[edgy phoenix]

sure yea

if u dont mind swapping weapons

[strong halo]

is capo that good single target even heroic?

[edgy phoenix]

not insane good but a lil better

not even 1%

[strong halo]

oh prbly worth using tokens on jasper first then?

[edgy phoenix]

its minor really i dont swap weps ever just rock cudgel even on bosses

[edgy phoenix]

if u plan going sub or assa i guess yea

[strong halo]

nah not really just dont know what to use my 2nd coins on

[edgy phoenix]

dinars are trash anyways if u are not mythic raider they are even worse

[strong halo]

yeah idk even know where to start https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Ellesus

my main is mage switched over to rogue couple weeks ago

[bright crane]

Whistle and pacemaker are fine trinkets

[edgy phoenix]

well if u plan staying outlaw u can kill first few m bosses with pugs

[bright crane]

Most trinkets for us are pretty much the same - middling at best

Can spend dinar on those

[edgy phoenix]

look to craft versa neck and finger

for haste depens on ur build

but im assuming ho

so like 13-15% should be fine

my sims settles at 15

[strong halo]

yeah haste seems way better for me for now

[bright crane]

You probably also want to get tier gloves and get the high vers/haste chest from
Priory

How many sparks do u have left

[strong halo]

is double passive trinekts ok?

like 12 lol

or 6

[bright crane]

Yeah most people run pacemaker/keys cause it sims highest

[edgy phoenix]

yeah

[bright crane]

But pacemaker/whistle is fine too

All trinkets this season suck for us

[edgy phoenix]

u should just aim to get higher ilvl now

do mythic raid and hope fore some quick catches for tierpiece

[strong halo]

got mythic darkness i guess

[bright crane]

Personally first thing I would do is get highest ilvl MH and swap to tier gloves and priory chest (or craft chest? Idk)

If that was my char

[edgy phoenix]

all 12s and first 4 mythic should be easy even at this ilvl so u just needa grind it out

thankfully outlaw is gigafun spec so its not much of a chore if u enjoy the gameplay

[strong halo]

yeah its so fun

i gave up on assas not nearly as fun even though it pumps more with 1/2 the effort

[edgy phoenix]

when u get gear and gameplay right outlaw pumps real hard

and for effort u just get used to it at some point

[brisk canopy]

Do pugs actually invite at this ilvl?

[edgy phoenix]

idk didnt pug mythic raid in a while but they should yea

hes not that low of a ilvl and its his alt i assume he did some progress on main

[strong halo]

my main is 2/8M so shouldnt be too hard

[fathom whale]

oi dumb quiestion, when my hidden blade thing procs (trickster capstone) do i just slam it? like i dont need cp's for it since it acts as 5? or does it mean 5+5

[ripe ibex]

5 additional combo points

so if you spend at 5 then it would be a 10 cp cdg

[haughty lagoon]

ANy sims for outlaw on this new shit D.I.S.C. Belt coming next week?

[crimson thicket]

it is mine:

we only missing thug hotline now for mega ultra super duper bis

[hidden bay]

This shit 30k upgrade on my shammy and they stopped dropping as soon as i rerolled

[gloomy pasture]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[mighty breach]

its worth to hold https://www.wowhead.com/item=230189/junkmaestros-mega-magnet up to 30 stack ?

[hard nimbus]

no, u can use it liberally at any stacks

[hidden bay]

Cute dog

[uneven swan]

is there a reason as to why some outlul players choose a crafted cloak over Trashmaster?

[vale warren]

Presumably because they don't have myth trashmaster?

[uneven swan]

these guys do have myth trashmaster but still choose to use crafted

[vale warren]

Interesting

[uneven swan]

i have a "friend" that says he uses crafted over myth trashmaster but he wont tell me why xD

i'm debating crafting a cloak as i use Candlebearer's Shroud because trashmaster hasnt dropped for me yet

but i'm 665 xD

[civic void]

Trashmaster title is -20% dps, title sucks