outlaw

[lime lake]

yeah exactly

[red zinc]

Compared to what it was before

[lime lake]

at least then you interact with your kit

[fossil lintel]

vamp strike interacts with your diseases at least

[civic bay]

Does anyone have an updated fork of the Roll The Bones Now weakaura? I took a pass at updating it myself but if anyone has an already vetted version I'd gladly just swap to it as well.

[proven ocean]

i think

im gonna play dynasty warriors origins

seems great

[red zinc]

play outlaw without ks

great game

[vivid vessel]

play outlaw without ks

[hollow temple]

play ks without outlaw

[proven ocean]

funny enough

back in the days

we could play

[red zinc]

BACK IN THE DAY

WE USED TO PLAY 🧛

[glass mortar]

bro what is broken with outlaw in visions today

idk if theres a new affix in oggrimar but in valley of honor and wisdom everytime i vanish i incur a gcd delay

[lime lake]

new affix unlocked pog

[glass mortar]

????????????????

[mighty pivot]

it's a preview of s3 affixes

[glass mortar]

literally sitting afk off gcd for 3s

press vanish

go onto gcd for 1s

ive reset thrall twice

no attacks r going off

im so confused

[red zinc]

krill issue

[mighty pivot]

imagine if m+ had an affix giving everyone a KS animation on their next cast for 2.5s

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[latent oak]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-frog-dancing-skill-gif-21877908

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/fremzenec-gif-24290345

[edgy phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/fremzenec-gif-24290385

[red zinc]

so many words in the english language ending on ill

[latent oak]

i would post a trill issue but i would incur another warning from the mods

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/fremzenec-gif-24290535

[red zinc]

videohive

[mighty pivot]

that drill doesn't even have an issue smh my head

[red zinc]

The metal has a drill issue (being penetrated)

[glass mortar]

ok is the game just fucked today or

[red zinc]

wish i had a drill issue rn

[glass mortar]

no clue whats going on

[latent oak]

would the drill issue lead to a spill issue

[glass mortar]

it just took 4 seconds of casting kspree with no error messages for it to go off

maybe games just lagin

[sullen walrus]

can someone tell me, when we can lose supercharges?

[glass mortar]

not sure what ur asking

[lament locust]

when you use a finisher hope that helps

[glass mortar]

when do you spend them?

they just get spent by doing the rotation u dont play around them at all

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean both our teams are in the first page ladder with all the meta fotm rerollers

[proven ocean]

we both have rly good tanks

bad tank = cant make it rly

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

btw

if u get any of those tanks in the leaderboard

they might not be able to tank most keys without PS

most of them need pain supp

[vivid vessel]

i dont want any of those tanks anyway

i just want monksea

he is litteraly the tank iahve wanted to play with

since forever

brewmaster one trick

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

what more to want

[proven ocean]

if outlaw becomes good

then double outlaw

[vivid vessel]

its already good cuh

[proven ocean]

its not good enough

to be played double

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

true

[proven ocean]

cuz like

sin is rly bad with brm imo

ur comp works way better

[quaint sable]

Had smth weird happen on blazikon. After my subt ended my adren rush was still stuck at 20s for like a solid 10s it only unbugged when I vanished again

[vivid vessel]

i mean idkkk

i think feral just compliment the comp very well

[proven ocean]

feral is better than sin for outlaw

thats for sure

[vivid vessel]

its uncapped and have hgue burst so it helps the harder pulls

and you get vers buff

[proven ocean]

im uncapped too

but

ye

[vivid vessel]

ye but

its not the same right

[proven ocean]

he has better dmg profile for ur comp only

[vivid vessel]

you cantr just one shot a pack like feral does

[proven ocean]

i can with vdh

not with brm

[vivid vessel]

btw did you try cinder 21

first pack

[proven ocean]

ye abit, its pretty easy

[vivid vessel]

iu tought we would havbe issues with our comp

but it actually wasnt an issue at all

[proven ocean]

it is hard only with pugs zac

premades its not rly hard cuz ppl know how to counter it

[vivid vessel]

i guess lol

[proven ocean]

i thin k ujust want

a smooth run

thats all

key is pretty easy overall

[vivid vessel]

happen rarely

just be happy about it

[vivid vessel]

ye

i think we do top and cinder 21

easely

prolly

[proven ocean]

we need our dk to go frost

for ToP

but he has no gear so idk

maybe i just fix outlaw quick

and do it

or he just could craft gear instead i guess

and that'll work very well

i think we dont rly need outlaw/fdk anyway but it'll maybe make it abit better

[teal totem]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

ross

one sec

first boss

thoughts ?

[proven ocean]

ye our arms did same dps once

[vivid vessel]

I meant my dps bro you are so toxic wtf

[proven ocean]

i know

its good

i meant my arms did same as ur dps

[vivid vessel]

ah

[proven ocean]

once only tho i never saw him do it again maybe rng

same as u i never saw u do above 8m

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean its just a 2min fight

so

very rng

[proven ocean]

farover is farover anyway

best arms in the game for sure

@vivid vessel ngl

if theres a sin fight next season where its 3 target cleave

i'll destroy it so hard

prob get r1 everytime

i figured out so many new things for 3 target cleave

that just makes u do automatically 500-1m more

same idea as mouseover bte we started abusing in DF s3

[vivid vessel]

hacking dude wtf

stop hacking

[proven ocean]

i can tell u how but im not sure on 1 thing yet

vanish usage is rly hard

idk when to use it exactly

oh

i know how to use it actually

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

ye

im actually doing 500k more than sim on average

i think i can do abit more with this new vanish usage i just thought about

[stray star]

there is a reason to not play outlaw in mythic mugzee ?

or im fine trying ?

[craggy barn]

u have to hold damage at spots

[glass mortar]

its fine

sin is arguably the best melee in the game for that fight on prog

but outlaw does fine damage

[random stirrup]

misclick keep it rolling walking up to pull cauldron

[long barn]

Why?

[fossil lintel]

dots

[quaint sable]

execute

[random stirrup]

execute + cleaving goons through the cages with caustic

[glass mortar]

good timing on cages and cleaves, strong CD execute burn for lust execute burn (which many guilds are still doing and was the dominant prog strat)

[long barn]

Oh I didn’t know the caustic hits. That’s OP a F

[glass mortar]

best scaling cds rogue has with lust and u get it during execute yea

basically the most perfect damage pattern u could have for the strat

[long barn]

Still no updates on echo void fixed?

[glass mortar]

brother if its been like this for this long there is no fix

w/e spelldata we had was probably just not correct for its intended power

man raid is sooooooooo laggy tonight cauldron was nearly unplayable

entire raid freezing up everytime beam went off ☠️

[true cedar]

Selling Mastery stocks. Invest now. Recraft now for the future.

[bright crane]

getting lots of lag in m+ too

[glass mortar]

yea game is just hyperlaggy at random today idk im not doing any more serious content

thankfully im not in on any other bosses because cauldron was tragic

literally lagged out 3 crackshots in a row

[real yew]

(For HO with :supercharger: Supercharger)
Roll on cooldown if you don't get a natural 5 buff. However if you have 4 total buffs including CTO then you can sit on them until it becomes 3 before rolling.

with this rule I should always roll with 3 if I don't have CTO?

[glass mortar]

yes

[real yew]

ty

[craggy barn]

its reset day so lag kinda can be expected

[glass mortar]

unusually bad idk

[craggy barn]

im not surprised there is lag today

[glass mortar]

entire raid hardfrozen everytime monkey did his lighting aoe/trex did beam

[craggy barn]

the amount is whatever

[glass mortar]

sure

im a reset day raider

i know reset day lag

this is very very very bad

[craggy barn]

ye

[unkempt crystal]

hey all can i macro feint to something i feel like i could have more uptime??

[craggy barn]

i mena, i was seeing the lag in a fucking horrific vision

[glass mortar]

no do not macro defensives

especially defensives that cost u resources to use

[craggy barn]

ur just gonna be wasting energy

[unkempt crystal]

ok ok

[craggy barn]

feint uptime doesnt matter, just press it when damage is happening

[unkempt crystal]

any tips i press it when im hit and its not getting its worth

[glass mortar]

idealy when damage is happening and you need it

[craggy barn]

u press it before u are hit

have a boss ability timer so u know when u should pre pres it

[glass mortar]

u can use it fairly liberally cause it isnt too costly but generally speaking u only want to press it if aoe damage is coming out and u will help ur healers

so think when other specs would use their wall

if ur gunna kspree and theres a bunch of aoe shit on the ground

another good time

[unkempt crystal]

thanks for the help

[random stirrup]

never like this

usually there isnt lag at all

game is entirely freezing for 3-5s at a time

[craggy barn]

its that darned dastardly duo

[late swallow]

So sick

[compact smelt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[errant terrace]

are you guyd also causing your entire raid to freeze when you press cloak during big mechanics?

[glass mortar]

It's just whenever big mechanics happen

It's not cloak

[lime plank]

How is outlaw compared to sin/sub in m+ and raid would yall say?

[craggy barn]

outlaw is great in both

[tight kernel]

damn couldnt beat r1 but beat zac.

[cinder oxide]

mugzee just killing spree'd on us on reclear

snapped 3x on intermission

[warm flint]

question about weapons. i know we use the 658 for trash in keys. is capo and thumb off gally bis for bosses in keys too like in raid or are you looking for a better statted weapon like the crowd favorite?

[craggy barn]

generally if u have myth capo thats ur mh, and u do whatever in ur off

otherwise

myth or crafted weapon mh, and weapon swap capo / cudgel offhand

[warm flint]

got it. thanks. and for the magnet trinket are we just sending that on CD?

[craggy barn]

i believe its fine to use on cd, or at the very least 15+ stacks

but i pretty much build stacks and use it as a snipe tool to abuse the stack bug
and send at high stacks on bosses (esp during damage amps) / prio targets
sending at like 25-30

i use double on use, so i pref to use the other one on cd and just save stacks on magnet

i especially save 30 stacks for TOP xav pvp phase

to kidney into magnet pvp opponent

[warm flint]

lol diabolical .understood tho. ty for the info . now taht raid is on farm. i wnated to have some fun and go back home to outlaw

[craggy barn]

its diabolical, but helps speed up pvp phase

the kidney is giga overkill, but its a statement

magnet into ks if not kidney

[lime lake]

definitely do the kidney

sending a message is important

[cinder oxide]

sadge they patched the rashas sacrificial dagger cheese, pvp so fast when everyone has it

some nerd had to go and make a video about it and its gone the next day

[craggy barn]

lol

[cinder oxide]

my group used it almost the entire season, was so fun

[warm flint]

asserting dominance. its like when im on MM hunter i save the LnL proc for the duel for a few secs lol

[ripe ibex]

pressing kidney is giga troll

imagine your mage loses arcane tempo

or your boomkin can’t cdr back to another foe

or any number of uptime/cdr related things

[lime lake]

good

fuckem

[craggy barn]

imagine being in a group with a mage or a boomkin as an outlaw rogue

cant be me, can only be invited to phys comp

and the secret rogue tech to never get picked

[high parrot]

is there actually a rework for rogue coming ? i saw it in here but havent seen any blue post about it anywhere i look

[craggy barn]

we dont have any info on a rework

any mention of a rework is just

[fathom bramble]

don't even need a rework anyway

we just have a few problematic talents and some other stuff left over from our last minor rework

[ripe ibex]

ok then warrior rage management

so many cdr things in this game

[drifting zinc]

is outlaw harder to learn than assassination?

[craggy barn]

harder to execute

more to learn

[cinder oxide]

yeah still fuck em

[drifting zinc]

Is it at least rewarding/cool? It does sound cool to play an outlaw I assume your keybind economy has to be on point

[cerulean wyvern]

why do slice and dice generate 1 combo point? ive been looking at zac VOD and he just spams it to reset his cd but when i do it i can only SnD two to three times

[craggy barn]

i find it rewarding

[tender breach]

when do the overcharged delves coming?

[craggy barn]

next week

[tender breach]

thnxz

[craggy barn]

where does he do that, i was under the impression they fixed this a while back

[cerulean wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q3xka52J_0 for exemple

but he does it every single key

he just pop on first boss with almost full supercharged combo point with his tech

[craggy barn]

oh he doesnt perma do it at least at the beginning since he runs out of cp

the generated points come from

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a bug

[cerulean wyvern]

ohhhhhhhhhh alright alright

[gaunt phoenix]

search snd in outlaw and you will find the tech

[craggy barn]

its snd with super charger bug

right

[cerulean wyvern]

same thing how does he spam it when SnD timer is above he 1 combo point snd

does he has a cancel aura macro or something?

[craggy barn]

yea cancel aura

[gaunt phoenix]

Its a positive bug that will get fixed if we talk about it too much

[sudden fulcrum]

[cerulean wyvern]

thank you lads

[craggy barn]

u got me to explain it a bit so now its gone

u ruined it for us

[gaunt phoenix]

It's joever

[lime lake]

already writing a reddit post

your time has come abusers

[sullen walrus]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[timid briar]

is 24% haste too much?

[craggy barn]

ye

[hot olive]

gonna fill my bags with pile of gold

played with kush the other day

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2481347144

bro rosted outlaw all key

[gaunt phoenix]

Nice

[hot olive]

was my first 18

almost timed:)

[flat needle]

Is there a specific reason why zac plays house of cards? I swear outlaw is such a crazy spec. There are like sims, bis lists etc. and 90% of the players play the specific items/trinkets and then there are 1 or 2 Pro Rogues that pull some stunts, same with woxtoxic and his remnant of darkness trinket

Pros playing another game than us i swear

[hot olive]

mastery is nice in aoe

wox also playd hoc in mdi

[craggy barn]

^^ its purely for aoe pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

It's not a magic secret to dps

Hoc performs as good as it sims

[stuck sparrow]

bis lists arent a thing

[gaunt phoenix]

I think hoc is overrated

[vivid vessel]

Gear grinder is a split trinket also

I hate split trinkets

I think you lose most of the real value of the thing a lot of times

[gaunt phoenix]

But trinkets are 1.4% dps so whatever

[craggy barn]

if ur bad u can also just miss with gear grinder

[vivid vessel]

I wanna play kezan

[stuck sparrow]

how bad is goon hotline

[vivid vessel]

Instead of hoc

I will try maybe

[hot olive]

is it a thing to ignore fan procs when i pressed hoc??

[stuck sparrow]

i never tried it do they do relevant damage

when they all get summoned at once

[vale warren]

It fucks with nightfall weapon iirc

[hot olive]

like sometimes i press 1 sinister strike and i feel like my hoc is wasted

[gaunt phoenix]

Hoc is not nearly good enough to influence the rotation

[vivid vessel]

Fuck up the souls event weapon

So it's bad

[stuck sparrow]

you mean nightfall wep?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yer

[torpid fiber]

what makes mastery better in aoe again, i thought it was blade flurry but HO doesn't take deft
does KS do a similar thing to blade flurry

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's just deft

[torpid fiber]

oh right zac plays 1pt fth

makes sense now

[midnight granite]

am I crazy

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[midnight granite]

or is @vivid vessel not using a 2nd enchant

[vivid vessel]

Embel?

[midnight granite]

ye

[vivid vessel]

I am

[gaunt phoenix]

Why ping

[vivid vessel]

Idk where it is I forgot

[midnight granite]

cause he's cute

[vivid vessel]

Neck ring no?

Or back

[midnight granite]

back

[vivid vessel]

Or wrist

[craggy barn]

ping bc zac wont notice this chat unless someone pings him

[midnight granite]

and thats it

FUCK

nvm

[vivid vessel]

True and real

[midnight granite]

its back ring

you playing 1 woven 1 lens

tf

[gaunt phoenix]

Another secret to dps

[vivid vessel]

Why not

[gaunt phoenix]

Hoc and woven 7 mill overall

[vivid vessel]

Fr

[midnight granite]

ez

[craggy barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hot olive]

zac do u try to press hoc when u have no fan procs or am i overthinking that?

[vivid vessel]

Brother

I

Press

It

[midnight granite]

on cdf

[torpid fiber]

zac just uses random gear to mislead potential competitors

[midnight granite]

based

[vivid vessel]

It's all snd bug

[craggy barn]

zac convinced wox to use hoc and play kir on broadcast

[vivid vessel]

Doing the heavy lifting

+5 mil dps

[craggy barn]

which made that team fail

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix you wanna know a funny thing

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[leaden folio]

Conductor's Wax Whistle or Kezan on vault

[vivid vessel]

Was seeing people complain about snd bug cause of my cinder log

[leaden folio]

Conductor everyday no ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Mythic kezan?

[leaden folio]

yea

[vivid vessel]

Cause my cinder log is like almost r1 all specs right

And in that key I didn't even trigger it once

Thoughts

[midnight granite]

I thought snd bug was dead

[leaden folio]

but we kill gally on 8min, so mythic kezan not rly playable right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nice

[midnight granite]

its back for the 50th time or what

[craggy barn]

zac abusing bugs

!!

[vivid vessel]

Yeye

[torpid fiber]

yeah it's back with supercharger iirc

[craggy barn]

classic zac

bug abuser

[vivid vessel]

Just use it whatever

[craggy barn]

tsk tsk

[vivid vessel]

It's there since s1 sl

[craggy barn]

ban this guy zac he always bug abuse

[vivid vessel]

If you aren't using it now

You are an idiot

Don't call it bug abuse

[midnight granite]

its a feature

[sudden fulcrum]

exploit early exploit often

[vivid vessel]

Call it blizzard incompetence

Oh well

[leaden folio]

dont know how to do it

[vivid vessel]

It's fairly late now

Skil issu

Figure it out

[leaden folio]

pin the exploit bug of zac , solo plz

if you do, patch in 0,5 day

[gaunt phoenix]

Kezan is good in most keys tho

[sudden fulcrum]

someone explained it earlier, you can find it if you scroll up a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

If you don't die

[midnight granite]

where do I get the world dagger

thats ops

[gaunt phoenix]

It's a mace

[vivid vessel]

New tech?

Nvm

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

Dagger is a DPS loss anyway

[midnight granite]

I made a mistake okay. I played sub

and now I am recrafting my gear to play teh real spec

[vivid vessel]

I kid you not I think im not going back to dagger off hand ever again

I started to realize 0.1% gear upgrades are fake

When swords mogs

Makes me play 10 times better

[craggy barn]

mog is 50% dps increase

[gaunt phoenix]

I think !oh should just have this

[leaden folio]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

Real

[flat needle]

the older i get the more i see myself in the middle of the packm fml

[craggy barn]

just stop being in the middle

pick a side

[leaden folio]

pick the botton side

[torpid fiber]

I think the trick is that the better you get the less you have to think about the middle

[leaden folio]

do mechanic

[flat needle]

if i stop being middle i probably swift to the left

[tender breach]

Is Algari Alchemist stone that good? it sims higher than max M+ trinkets for me

[leaden folio]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r55QWqaSi5TgcQNyySTgpT trinket are 0,1% solo

[vivid vessel]

Nice

We told you

All trinkets bad

[gaunt phoenix]

Well kezan in slice

I dont think is representative of what you can do with it

[craggy barn]

how does route simming work for something like kezan

[gaunt phoenix]

Kezan in slice probably tells you an average/not optimized kezan is still fine overall

[craggy barn]

are route sims 100% combat uptime?

[gaunt phoenix]

Its like normal but sometimes there is a lot of downtime

[sudden fulcrum]

you don't need a sim to realize that combat is likely to drop in m+ so its value there is greatly diminished, unless you can manage to remain in combat often

[craggy barn]

ah

[torpid fiber]

the current idea going around is that for ppl with static groups they can pressure the group to avoid the downtime and that means it performs better than sims iirc

[flat needle]

Especially in the season of skips

[sudden fulcrum]

yep

[craggy barn]

isnt the usual trick of keeping in combat with worn doll scuffed for outlaw too

[vivid vessel]

its quite the opposite tho

a key is 30min

a sim is 6

[sudden fulcrum]

did you mean to reply to someone else? i don't understand how what you said relates to what i said

[mighty pivot]

you need to ping him or he will not reply

[sudden fulcrum]

i can live with that

[wintry solar]

vault 2 times a week would be crazy

[flat needle]

with half the requirements please, cant do 16 keys a week with every char i try to get to a high level

[torpid fiber]

i think zac is basically saying that if you can stay in combat, keys have more time for eye to stack than sims

[vivid vessel]

you are saying kezan "oversim"

im saying it undersim

cause you can stay in comabt a whole key

which is 30min

instead of a 6m in keyu

[leaden folio]

6min is a boss

so if you connect a pack with a boss. its already a win condition

[rotund zodiac]

people who stun in ToP duel are the worst

[leaden folio]

blind and wait cd kekw

[paper pumice]

is there catch up on Cartel Chips now?

[vivid vessel]

i heard there was

[stiff glade]

Until we get another nick of time

[analog fog]

Yo guys Critter bug is back Zac is doing it on stream

[leaden folio]

if you mog artifact weapon, it force your offhand as the same

so you can take a mh with mog artifact. and your dagger will be force to the same mog

[autumn marsh]

!wa

[leaden folio]

battlepet abuser are the worth

[vivid vessel]

holy shomly ban them all !

[haughty wigeon]

Gasp

I miss anvil from df abussy

[hardy thicket]

Theres like been a stay in combat trinket in almost every season they are always incredbily strong if you game them iuno what the fuss is

[vivid vessel]

they are st trinkets every season tho merz

not kezan

kezan is just stats

very strong boi

[hardy thicket]

Ye well u had like OWS for 2/4 seasons in SL as well

Brand was technically strong overall for Outlaw if u gamed it as well in DF no?

Even if it was ST

[wintry solar]

if ti were this fast all the time id be a lot happier

[mighty pivot]

it is if you get enough haste

[wintry solar]

for sure

but thatd mean I'd have to get 145% haste

[mighty pivot]

the prophet showed us the way

and he was crucified for it

[wintry solar]

I'll let you know when I can get 145% haste naturally

[mighty pivot]

godspeed

[wintry solar]

wish sub could use 1h offhand

would like to play that

outlaws boring me

catch-up gear ftw

damn nevermind. Only one void touched weapon

[vague cape]

@vivid vessel do u do coaching? got a friend on outlaw and he needs help beyond what i can explain

[vivid vessel]

I don't have much time

And I value my time more than money

Would be too expensive fr

[vague cape]

np

i guess the pin will do xd

!common mistakes

!mistakes

[vivid vessel]

!commonmistakes

!commonmistake

!noob

[vague cape]

!bringbackdreadblades

xd

[shy sandal]

lol

[ripe ibex]

🫵 😹

[vivid vessel]

!comonmistakes

!help

[vague cape]

LMAO

[vivid vessel]

!dudewtf

[hidden bay]

When my friends ask for ol advice i just tell them dont play it

[shy sandal]

xD

[vague cape]

the mispelling

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[shy sandal]

oh

[vivid vessel]

ok its just dead

[vague cape]

wait all commands deadge

[shy sandal]

rip comands

[ripe ibex]

!tomelviscritterabusing

hmm

must be down

[vivid vessel]

poor critters

[shy sandal]

must have been the wind

[ripe ibex]

i need to spread a rumor in NA that ur bug abusing so when people ask me why im doing less damage than tomelvis i can point to that

[wintry solar]

what patch did we lose step?

that was this expac right?

[leaden folio]

if i remember correctly it was during season1

because we couldnt step at queen ansurek to avoid doin the portal on last phase

[hidden bay]

S3 df

[wintry solar]

double vanish same time right

[hidden bay]

With rework

Its sad tho, sub and sin get bf and we lose step

[wintry solar]

nope

[hidden bay]

Shit i cant remember using step in anirdrassil

[vivid vessel]

i think the rumor is already there i dont even need you for that

[remote pecan]

Any sweaty outlaws wanna join for mug'zee mythic prog tonight? (not guaranteed but we're short 1 person) you may get a chance at killing mug and getting mythic capo's with cartel chips

[vivid vessel]

no

I have an outlaw alt tho

630

Is that enough

[remote pecan]

tbf you'd probably do more dps than the average raider at rank 1k+

[fallen knot]

if i werent raiding to kill bandit tonight i'd already be there

[tall radish]

How good is pacemaker for keys?

[remote pecan]

dont necessarily specifically need an outlaw btw, decently geared alts would also be fine

[strong cargo]

Very good

[tall radish]

Ok Nice i Saw most play other trinkets so just wanted to make sure

[strong cargo]

Bis are like magnet/keys/wistle/pacemaker there is options

[covert kestrel]

Yeah grim codex the GOATTTT

[narrow reef]

I am currently rocking this neck, but I have myth track glowtorc in vault, but according to my sim even a fully upgraded glowtorc is -20k dps. What do I do?

[echo tide]

Did you add sockets to glowtorc in a sim?

[narrow reef]

yep

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw favors vers heavy jewelry and can be a bit sensitive with haste

So removing vers and removing haste can be a downgrade

[narrow reef]

Yeah but I just really wanna get rid of this champion piece

[gaunt phoenix]

craft a neck

[timber knoll]

so whats the SnD bug? I've put in a report to blizz just curious as to what it does though

[gaunt phoenix]

You can find that information

[vivid vessel]

@haughty wigeon found your associate

Always amaze me how you will have an army of external people that will do these kind of shit for any positive bug @gaunt phoenix

But no one will report killing spree stagger being bugged

Killing me every 3 keys

On average

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

People are vile

[honest sparrow]

Where we are on the theme of bugs rn. After the bug fix with bf.
Do we dont cleave now if our spell kills the target? Im farming tmogs in old raids right now and it certainly feels that way.
Doesnt really matter for real content but its quite annoying to kill aoe packs now in old content

[gaunt phoenix]

That's correct

[vivid vessel]

Solo

I bet that tag they removed

[gaunt phoenix]

That's likely why the original behavior existed

[vivid vessel]

Was only doin that

And not cleaving dead people

And they fixed bf on the backend

But also removed the tag

[timber knoll]

mfs cant even post a joke in here anymore lol

[vivid vessel]

Post this noob

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[timber knoll]

whats that

i am a eunich

[gaunt phoenix]

it does sound weird that an "allow dead targets" flag would influence the main target at all

[glass mortar]

There'd like 4 spells that work almost exactly like bf and none of them seem to have this issue (that I'm aware of) so it's strange

I guess I can ask my spriest friends if pl works like this in old raids

[red zinc]

big day tomorrow (voices are getting stronger telling me ptr)

[late swallow]

I doubt it

All the blizz devs are traveling to DC for the military parade

[torpid fiber]

listen to the voices

Nothing bad will happen

[red zinc]

real

idk the average timeline lines up with tomorrow

educated guess

Just as well could be another week or two

[vivid vessel]

i mean i just dont see why there would be a tag like that

a tag that let the damage goes onto dead targets

[red zinc]

i dont even know what it would possibly be used for

[remote pecan]

necromancer incoming?

[red zinc]

I guess some boss mechanics are targeted on dead players sometimes because they dont work otherwise?

or resses of course

ye ok i get why the flag exists nvm

[glass mortar]

Probably so spells can continue to calculate the effects beyond their damage if they were in midair when a target died?

Resources or procs etc

Could just be a leftover weird flag ig

[vivid vessel]

hm maybe

[feral glen]

I was in mugzee LFR and sent KS. A mine popped right after and KS stopped even If it was with full combo point... same thing was on M Stix with adds dying while in KS. Does anyone experienced this too?

[sour vault]

KS ends if your target dies

if you pop it on a mine that explodes right away, that would explain why KS ended

[feral glen]

Ofc I was focusing boss

[sour vault]

in that case no, can't say I have experienced that

[vale warren]

There's weird behaviour with ks if there's immune mobs nearby I think

[desert tendon]

it s a beneficial bug

if that kills you zac

cuz then it helps you stagger logs

and deny any outlaw nerf

keep dying from stagger please

[stiff glade]

Targeting and killing spreeing a mine is some chad gameplay

[fallen knot]

is stix easily puggable now?

i want magnet on rogue

dont need anything else

[stiff glade]

Don't think stix will be very puggable regardless of gear and buffs tbh. If someone doesn't know how to roll it's gg

There are probably some groups doing it tho

[dim fern]

hello team, is the cinderbrew trinket actually good or not? i see it is ranked as S tier but no one really plays it(very late in season so people most likely have giga raid trinkets). i have the option of choosing that one in myth track or myth track gloves

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same damage as geargrinder but it's annoying

[dim fern]

do you mount it like you do on the third boss?

[gaunt phoenix]

No you just leap forward like a fel rush

[dim fern]

oh ok

guess since i play some assa too atm maybe taking the gloves is better. but i really want to play outlaw

[craggy barn]

trinkets not that important for law. take gloves

[dim fern]

ok thanks :)

[slate forge]

You can buffer the trinket with KS for a real good time

[flat needle]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[leaden folio]

doin a delve

1. boss reset because of vanish
2. get dc after my ks
3. brann got the agro because I vanish and the boss reset

im so tilted rn

[covert kestrel]

vanish after pressing ps so you dont lose aggro

[leaden folio]

nah

[late swallow]

bro said nah

[hybrid crown]

If you haven't yet try doing delves as a tank

[leaden folio]

did you see some boss reseting while a dh jump top of their head ?

I got the same shit

[hybrid crown]

It'll make delves feel even worse on every non tank lol

[leaden folio]

im pretty sure it wasnt from vanish

[covert kestrel]

delves as a tank are so nice

[fallen knot]

yea dont delve as nontank

[leaden folio]

just a bug like another

[hybrid crown]

You can actually just pull as much as you want it doesn't matter

[fallen knot]

on rogue are kinda fine

if you're geared

[leaden folio]

do you know why

the monster on the delve submarine are upper than the ground ?

because if you shadowstep on them, you have 100% chance to fall under the map

this is blizzard actually

cant code a map

[fallen knot]

i stopped playing a shadowstep spec after i shadowstepped into oblivion the first week on gally hc

[leaden folio]

k but imagine

you use killing spree

on a doodad (i dont have the term)

after the killing spree you get dc

that what i got

[fallen knot]

dud

yes

but thats killing spree shenanigans

[leaden folio]

so even if you dont have shadowstep

[fallen knot]

i've made my peace with it

[leaden folio]

killing spree is same shit

[fallen knot]

ks is an unhinged spell, shadowstep should not be

[late swallow]

shadow step shouldn't be targeted imo

it should just teleport you to a random target nearby

[fallen knot]

no at most

it should be at cursor

random target nearby it's just killingspree without stagger or damage

[leaden folio]

imagine if shadowstep and the jump from opener of sub was random around the target

everysub would quit

[fallen knot]

yes cause they dont have the mental resilience outlaws have

[craggy barn]

shadow step should only be useable of there are shadows

and if its fully dark u have free movement

[proven ocean]

Then ur gonna be like 💀 why is solo not taking my comments and gif seriously what the hell 💀

@gaunt phoenix am i right

[rich wedge]

Hi Any point with playing Improved Wound Poison talent on Stix Bunkjunker mythic? Saw that 2 best players had it.

[late swallow]

i think my satire is painfully obvious

[proven ocean]

[late swallow]

unless you're

[proven ocean]

why solo delete my gif

U clearly posted an outlaw sim gif

Unless you’re

[echo tide]

Killing spree should activate automatically after you last hit 2 targets

[craggy barn]

killing spree should be a stacking execute buff that u press

[echo tide]

No, that’s ashen? juggernaut

Or whatever it’s called

[torpid fiber]

looking at the logs they don't appear to actually use it, my guess is that because that talent point is useless they may as well put it there

[vagrant saddle]

678ilvl, just take the tank lady with u with infinite tricks and its free

and u can vanish whenever you want without dropping combat which is ++

[vivid vessel]

Too hard for me

I gave up

[glass mortar]

No point

Just random utility talents they probably didn't bother changing

I did it with normal ho m+ pc build

[vagrant saddle]

tanking thr mobs not possible even with 680 dw they almost one shot me too

[glass mortar]

Pretty sure u can swap talents mid run tho so

Can always respec ghostly before bosses

If u wanna really sweat

Magnet is great in visions u can basically execute mobs on cd with it and never spend stacks

[vagrant saddle]

only thing with tank lady is be mindful of where u put shit on the ground as she NEVER moves

[glass mortar]

Theres not really dangerous stuff other then boss mechanics which stun. Don't press during those

Really only the fucking shield boss is a major dps race to prevent him from casting too much on you

[leaden folio]

today the vision are easy

you got another perk crack broken

[glass mortar]

I dont think we have s titan essence talent anymore so not sure which talent u would track

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

i have to redo a bunch of the bosses to get the bugged rep

[glass mortar]

Oh thats overkill lol

I mean 8 mask as long as u don't die to getting hit by mechanics sanity is so infinite

I used my first orb before thrall to top off in my 8 mask

The mask of vengeance or w.e is crazy benificial

[vapid sundial]

Just make sure you grab the potions and gg

I wonder how many people trying 8 mask don't know about the potions

[glass mortar]

Tbh idk if u even need them as long as u don't skip mobs. Mob density is so high in ogrimmar u spawn gamon alllll the time

And every kill is like 150 sanity

[vapid sundial]

Yah, but I mean, it's free dmg and Dr and healing

Why not grab them

[glass mortar]

My biggest tip would be skip as much of zone 1 as u can to save it for refilling sanity at the end

If ur struggling

Probably 2 or 3 gamon spawns worth of mobs in that zone

[vapid sundial]

Stop typing that name

Giving me ptsd to that toy

I, GAMON, WILL SAVE US.

[keen belfry]

im learning how to do workshop dmg guys

its working

[vapid sundial]

Hit mob

Mob die

Life good.

[keen belfry]

im simply just pressing KS on p1 of last boss

and im living

i may come out with 9% dot but ya know what who cares

[indigo token]

what dungeons do yall wanna see next season

[covert kestrel]

depends if killing spree is still around

[indigo token]

also question

has outlaw ever been brought to a W1st kill

[vivid vessel]

Stone vault

The other side

Priory

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-go-away-affiliated-gif-5540784

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-dog-mood-no-way-gross-gif-4637399758812892559

[vivid vessel]

Cinder

[indigo token]

stonevault sucks i swear i get a tank and they try to pull the whole hallway

and they fucking explode

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/im-a-loner-loner-lonely-introvert-bored-gif-14676678

[vivid vessel]

Floodgate but with the second area removed

[indigo token]

i mean floodgate is the mega dungeon

so

[vivid vessel]

Academy

Brackenhide

[sudden fulcrum]

Scarlet Monestary

[random stirrup]

🧑‍🍳

[indigo token]

i was thinking stratholme undead

[vivid vessel]

Neltharus without the chains

Ruby

[random stirrup]

What is this thing doing in here though

[vivid vessel]

Nokhud but condensed to not have the flying in between the area

[vivid vessel]

Idk good dungeon

[indigo token]

what i wanna see is uldir

not the raid just like

the raid layout but its a dungeon now

[lime lake]

cant wait for a season with violet hold and violet hold

[indigo token]

calling it now

midnight will have the third violet hold

🎦

[late swallow]

still waiting on this seasonal rotation

[indigo token]

id rather get skin cancer than play this

[sudden fulcrum]

i would unsubscribe immediately

[indigo token]

its like

pinpoint on things everyone fucking hates

hillsbrad foothills is like 70% RP

[late swallow]

hillsbrad and lbrs with like 60-70 min timers would go so hard

[hybrid crown]

Noooo

Unless they give a ton more crests

Then it's cool

[late swallow]

wailing caverns m+ would go dummy

[indigo token]

Sunken Temple 90 min timer

[sudden fulcrum]

Torghast m+

why are you using Soridomi?

are you aware she makes it harder?

[vapid sundial]

I feel like 8 mask is probably balanced around being 675-680

[sudden fulcrum]

she makes the enemies scale up more than if you didn't bring her at all

[red zinc]

why does your ass only appear to belittle people that use soridormi

[vivid vessel]

Bro I told you it's too hard ..

I'm too casual for this content

..

[red zinc]

never seen you type for anything else its crazy

[lime lake]

gigachad bronze dragon hater

[vapid sundial]

Can I belittle you

[vivid vessel]

Can I hate on your dragon Tim

[vapid sundial]

That dragon mad annoying bc she randomly gets in combat

And fucks my re

Hook - > vanish

[vale warren]

De other side

[vapid sundial]

Pack skipped.

[stuck sparrow]

rogue is kinda

terrible at this solo content stuff

[vapid sundial]

[stuck sparrow]

almost as bad as enhance

[sudden fulcrum]

imagine not having your felguard tanking everything while you chill at range and rain hell on everything

[vapid sundial]

Enh is just a paper bag

[stuck sparrow]

i get white swing crit on my shaman and it instant procs my natures guardian

in a fucking delve

[vapid sundial]

Like

No vers

3 minute defensive is the worst in game

Worse than hunters 1m

[stuck sparrow]

at least you have cap totem

[vapid sundial]

Sbt needs to be changed

It's so shit

Triple it's shield or something

It's a 3 minute

[stuck sparrow]

meanwhile fury warrior

30% heal

20s cd

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw has that basically

[hasty totem]

Hey guys how much haste is enough?

[vapid sundial]

Heal isn't as effective as a Dr

[stuck sparrow]

true

[vapid sundial]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hasty totem]

tyty

[vapid sundial]

Genuinely, pushing for title on enh was awful bc I get yelled at if I use a defensive before healer asked for.

Legitimately wasn't allowed to use them myself

XD

[indigo token]

its crazy how fragile you can feel as a mail class

[stuck sparrow]

nah you just got sucked off by an aug

[sullen walrus]

how to turn on resource display? when i turn it on it's show my rtb buffs. how to turn it off?

[vapid sundial]

No I got sucked off but my tank and priest

[stuck sparrow]

evoker this isnt the case

[vapid sundial]

My name in the discord was

'Need pi, SW, bop, GS, rescue'

[sullen walrus]

like this

[vapid sundial]

Pretty sure it's mostly just enhance

Resto has bonus hp

Idk what ele has but ik they have something else

Resto also gets to go vers

[stuck sparrow]

not being in melee range

[vapid sundial]

Whereas you want basically 0 on enh

[stuck sparrow]

x)

[vapid sundial]

I legit had 700 vers I think

[stuck sparrow]

i think i’ve seen some start to enchant vers

[vapid sundial]

During title push

[stuck sparrow]

might be hitting drs

though

[vapid sundial]

Yeah stat Dr has started

And then earth ele as a 5minute

Is just useless

[stuck sparrow]

idk if beats crit though

for damage

might be a live angle

[vapid sundial]

Probably pretty close

Bc of Dr

[tidal sequoia]

is echoing void fixed

or is it still simtrap ?

[vapid sundial]

Pins

Is enh the only class left with dogshit defensive

I know hunter had a Buncha work done

A few seasons back

[stuck sparrow]

probably

[vapid sundial]

2 of them being actually worse than feint

Is crazy

And they're both long cds too

[stuck sparrow]

just use healing stream

[vapid sundial]

Dw tho they have healing stream totem now

[stuck sparrow]

might heal 20% of someones hp

if they all crit

[vapid sundial]

Don't forget the 6% Dr!

TO Elemental

Dmg

[stuck sparrow]

Oh yeah 3s long

[vapid sundial]

But nah fr.

I think enh needs some kind of Dr in spec tree

[indigo token]

just go to wolf form for 4 seconds

[vapid sundial]

Legit

Just make feral lunge insta give max stacks

Or smtn

Better than nothing

(Probably a talent for enh that increases the % a bit and insta gives the stacks lol)

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[vapid sundial]

Not even yap bro

Genuine discussion

Just not about outlaw

[stuck sparrow]

I dony egen remember what defensives hunter has nowadays

[vapid sundial]

They have survival and hp pet

[sudden fulcrum]

straight up 30% heal and turtle

[vapid sundial]

And I think a Dr and turtle

[stuck sparrow]

i look at most defensive kits

then i look at dk

[vapid sundial]

Is fort

Survival only

[stuck sparrow]

of the bear?

thats a pet ability

[vapid sundial]

Thought so

[covert kestrel]

Ryu died for this

[stuck sparrow]

Idk if mm gets it

[vapid sundial]

Yeah 30% Dr for 6s

Exhil

Turtle

[vapid sundial]

They can but lose a bit of dmg

Hard to say hunter hasn't been meta lately

Survival was okay last tier but needed comp around them

[keen belfry]

good frontal indicator yeah?

[vapid sundial]

Shouldn't have been there bozo

[keen belfry]

i shouldve known it keeps going after its done

[vapid sundial]

The only difference between a mosquito

God why did they remove the only skill expression enh had

I hate this company

[keen belfry]

there is still skill expression in it

pooling is a skill

ascendance is much easier now tho

[vapid sundial]

Tab targeting is read

Dead

[keen belfry]

tab targetting was a bad skill expression

[vapid sundial]

Doing it efficiently was a huge gap last season

[keen belfry]

IMO

[vale warren]

Redemption

[vapid sundial]

I enjoyed it.

I don't like totemic still

And I mean pooling was a thing last season

I got way too used to it

[keen belfry]

i just think new pwave rocks and thats your dmg

geting 2 tempests out for your pstorm is cool

[vapid sundial]

I Definitely don't wipe 'unintentionally' on a raid boss before bc I was 40msw to next tempest

Yeah I just am not a big fan of how they removed both tab targeting features

Lashing flames is still there sure but it's so low prio it seems

Even on totemic

Bro I had to coach a friend about enh the other day and he was standing in ranged during ascendance.

During aoe.

I was so tilted.

Just get more gear and try without the dragon

They were easy af in bfa wym

[sudden fulcrum]

they are easier now than they were in BFA

[vapid sundial]

5 masks was piss easy

Corruptions were so strong

[sudden fulcrum]

i'm not sure what you think is broken about them

the hot foot movement is predictable and split personality (i assume that's what you mean) doesn't stop you from moving - there is a way out and you just have to react fast enough

[vapid sundial]

That's a user error

Tbh

You need to move away from ground effects

[sudden fulcrum]

there is warning before split personality happens so you have to be aware of where you are when it happens

[vapid sundial]

^

Was it

[teal garnet]

n

[vapid sundial]

I remember the potions being insanely broken

And clearing 3/4 without using a single orb

[hardy thicket]

The only thing that was horrible in BFA with them was that if you somehow got giga RNG fucked and RIP:ed one you were instantly infinitely behind on corruption gear acquisition

[vapid sundial]

So why are you complaining about them while low gear

When the solution is just wait for a couple vaults idm

[sudden fulcrum]

it's not a time gate though

[vapid sundial]

So

Go do m+

And craft gear

Wow

[sudden fulcrum]

you can do visions with awful gear if you are skilled enough too

to pretend otherwise is

[vapid sundial]

You also have him scaled higher bc you have the companion

[sudden fulcrum]

five minutes ago you said this was easy

[vapid sundial]