Thats because prince of dubai has rly good taste in food and places where he goes to is always top notch, i believe he took a pic of pistachio+chocolate and the trend exploded
#outlaw
proven ocean
glass mortar
zeross u never told us how the marshmellow beans were
bright crane
Dude they sell single chocolate bars of it for like 10-15 a pop
proven ocean
zeross u never told us how the marshmellow beans were
Mid ngl, i liked the cotton candy ones i had
bright crane
It’s kinda wild
bright crane
I mean yeah it’s good - pistachio and chocolate can’t really be bad
bright crane
You a hot coffee or cold coffee guy
bright crane
Even in freezing temps I pref ice coffee loool
proven ocean
Ye me too i can do that aswell
bright crane
Just hit me with the cold brew 24/7/365
wintry solar
To me it depends on what I'm doing
wintry solar
If I'm gonna be outside doing manual labor I prefer hot coffee
jolly geyser
I just have drank almost always warm for 20 years +
proven ocean
Just hit me with the cold brew 24/7/365
We have some rly rly good dutch brew here but i think the cafe closed sadly
jolly geyser
think I started drinking coffee at 12
proven ocean
And ppl dont like cold brew
In general i mean
wintry solar
I was in preschool when I started drinking coffee
bright crane
I went Costa Rica once and visited a cocoa plantation and they made for us this like
wintry solar
My grandaddy had a blue tin mug that burned like hell when you put coffee in it
bright crane
Chocolate coffee
jolly geyser
missing 1 day is major headache
bright crane
Was pretty fire
austere arch
@vivid vessel im using your group and theres this timer to the right of rtb buffs, what is it or can I just delete it?
livid pewter
is there any way to change timer colour on bf / adr duration, like when UHLH hits in? like a trigger or do i need custom codes ?
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> im using your group and theres this timer to the right of ...
its rtb container
you can delete it
proven ocean
@vivid vessel btw
our ToP had 5 deaths
i think this comp had better timer than urs
proven ocean
we had bad deaths
we killed gorechop without you too
75 seconds behind on deaths alone
15 secc diff btw
vivid vessel
we lost 1 min from tank taking wrong gate and boss reseting
and its 1min30 ahead of that run
proven ocean
5 deaths is just as bad if not worse
vivid vessel
so our timer is 29 30
civic void
is there any way to change timer colour on bf / adr duration, like when UHLH hit...
Could easily do it by having a trigger for adr found and change text color in condition for bf and a stealth/subt for adr
glass mortar
zac is there a way to not bug mobs with perma tricks if ur tank dies and insta releases btw
like if u cancelaura tricks
does it redirect back to u
had a darkflame 15 yesterday where the tank died and insta released and the mobs started evading and then teleported to the entrance of the dungeon and perma evaded
livid pewter
Could easily do it by having a trigger for adr found and change text color in co...
ye i kinda did that, its workin on BF but on ADR it shows stealth/subt trigger when adr not active and im to stupid to deactivate it xD
civic zephyr
I'm reading the pins, but what is our current BiS main-hand? I've read the off-hand is capo's unless you get a mythic track gallywix thumb
does it just mean that if we get a myth track gallywix that we dual wield two of them?
gaunt phoenix
Capo and gallys thumb are not related
fossil lintel
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
gaunt phoenix
Your main hand should be some 684 or 681 item
It is ideally 684 capo
But if you dont have a 684 capo then your main hand is some 684 regular weapon or 681 crafted
civic zephyr
I just started playing again after not playing since S2 Dragonflight - I'm making use of the catchup systems like the turbo boost.
So I was planning on using my coins on getting my weapons first
magic shuttle
isn't capo the weapon you swap for keys?
civic zephyr
would you recommend getting capos first then?
civic zephyr
isn't capo the weapon you swap for keys?
nightfall crud from what i read in pins
gaunt phoenix
Well you cant get 684 capo unless you kill Mythic mugzee
Otherwise you will get 672 capo
Which would be your offhand on bosses
And cudgel offhand for trash
civic zephyr
Yeah for sure, if im just returning what items would you recommend me buying from the coin vendor
magic shuttle
ye was just thinking you might wanna swap myth track capo with the cudgel offhand assuming you have a haste statted weapon in MH
glass mortar
u would put mythic capo in ur mh
gaunt phoenix
ye was just thinking you might wanna swap myth track capo with the cudgel offhan...
If you have mythic capo then it is just your mainhand
glass mortar
and swap the other weapon with ur cudgel
mythic capo is strongest weapon in the game
magic shuttle
i guess the ideal case would be to have the crit vers weapon on myth track
and sort your haste breakpoint via other gear
gaunt phoenix
Yeah for sure, if im just returning what items would you recommend me buying fro...
Outlaw buys capo or mythic trinkets
Nothing else to buy
glass mortar
well thankfully cudgel also gives haste so
if ur swapping a haste vers oh with cudg
its usually barely changing ur haste level
and HO can basically ignore this
civic zephyr
Outlaw buys capo or mythic trinkets
would I equip that as my main hand for now or off-hand?
magic shuttle
oh yeah that completely went out of my mind
gaunt phoenix
You will probably have 681 crafted main hand. Buy 672 capo as offhand. Swap offhands between capo and cudgel for bosses/trash
Outlaw quite literally changes offhands with a macro
civic zephyr
okay thanks
gaunt phoenix
Then you should aim to do +12 keys and buy mythic wax whistle or mythic pacemaker trinkets
Gally weapon is not really relevant. If you somehow get a mythic one it is good in raid, not in really keys
civic zephyr
You will probably have 681 crafted main hand. Buy 672 capo as offhand. Swap offh...
does it matter what mainhand i craft?
gaunt phoenix
Sword/fist/axe/mace is all the same
fallow hinge
Just remember that your mog contributes to 50% of your dps
all those types are transmoggable to all the other types anyway
it's only daggers and wands that can't be mogged to other stuff without artifact weapon trickery
but it's true
transmog is 50% of your dps
lime lake
rogue wand spec when
fallow hinge
hopefully never
though it would be funny
Rogue pseudo-caster spec dual wielding wands when?
shy pecan
are there any sims or info on the 11.1.7 belt out already?
glass mortar
nope
polar niche
guys someone have potion cd and junk stack wa?
round spindle
Does KiR do ok in raid?
frail veldt
yes
clear venture
Cudgel from the nightfall stuff right?
covert kestrel
Ye
stoic flicker
Which fight type should I use when simming gear/enchants for mythic gally?
gaunt phoenix
prob just go st
Our gear mostly changes with ghostly strike vs not ghostly strike
that's kind of it really
and should use gs on gally
stoic flicker
Oh alright, someone was telling me in my guild to use hectic add cleave but I've never used that so far so idk
round spindle
What is Capo?
woeful otter
can i swap GS point to FTH in KIRbuild
gaunt phoenix
you can. it's a lot more consistent but pretty much always a bit of a dps loss
craggy barn
shrug
nova sinew
2 more weeks, outlaw and warrior rework gonna go so hard. It won’t be more mage hero talent and psychic link tuning
sudden fulcrum
are there really outlaw changes coming?
lime lake
nova sinew
are there really outlaw changes coming?
Yep 2 more weeks 
craggy barn
torpid heath
I mean outlaw is fun
true cedar
Cant wait for my heavy mastery to become the true meta.
glass mortar
that wuld require mastery being benificial in anyway
delicate seal
Yep 2 more weeks <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Years
latent oak
for bad players mastery probably is the best outlaw stat no?
for one button rotation gamers and such
true cedar
its okay im gatekeeping the mastery build dw
itll come out in the light one day
there are signs already showing. it wont be long soon.
unborn basin
I wonder if we'll see a bump in outlaw players with the 1 button rotation
latent oak
there are signs already showing. it wont be long soon.
with ryu gone
ur secret may be safe for a long time
torpid fiber
I wonder if we'll see a bump in outlaw players with the 1 button rotation
doubtful, I'd expect it to be pretty disastrously bad for the spec
red zinc
doubtful, I'd expect it to be pretty disastrously bad for the spec
Think it was like -33% considering perfect ar/vanish usage (which isnt in the rotation helper)
torpid fiber
lmaooo
late swallow
Outlaw will probably have the worst rotation helper performance wise
Like, the gulf between actual play and rotation helper play will be the widest with outlaw
Any way to see just straight up 1 sec gcd sims?
torpid fiber
I mean .2s extra gcd is costly
Yeah
although wait is the gcd increase calculated before or after reductions now that it's a %
late swallow
@gaunt phoenix are there sims for outlaw played at 1 sec gcd instead of .8?
I guess it would just be simming below haste cap?
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> are there sims for outlaw played at 1 sec gcd instead of ....
remove 25% dps
late swallow
Lmao that’s crazy
late swallow
Easily -40-60% with the rotation helper
valid bronze
is gallywix's iron thumb not swappable in combat? any good way to sim or decide capo/gally/cudgel/dagger(?) setup for m+? capo in MH sims highest but is it worth losing the option to swap for bosses?
sturdy crow
gaunt phoenix
gally cant be swapped
if you have mythic capo then use it mainhand and offhand cudgel/crafted
valid bronze
thanks!
main warren
For a casual alt who doesn't do myth raid and key a few 10s here and there... What should I get with dinar?
Got myth pacemaker trinket and the mine cart one
So not sure if any trinkets worth it, and seems jastor isn't great?
sullen walrus
we use ps(if we have stacks of opportunity) on 5-6 cp?
sullen walrus
but if we have 2-3 cp and stack of oppo, use ps or ss?
ripe ibex
kir or hoa
sullen walrus
kir
ripe ibex
always ss
sullen walrus
ps with stack oppo only on 5-6 cp?
cyan panther
still a classic
round spindle
How do i get that spreadsheet to pop up?
ripe ibex
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ripe ibex
yeah think so
gaunt phoenix
You can play fatebound or trickster ST
Fatebound is really only a thing for mythic sprocket
Possibly mugzee/gally
round spindle
So that's just absolute pure single target where that's played?
frail veldt
yeah but theres only really one boss thats pure st which is sprocket
gaunt phoenix
yes but also killing spree will wipe the raid on sprocket
glass mortar
like 2-3% for me
fatebound kir is like 1% behind my HO trickster
kir trickster 4% behind that
round spindle
yes but also killing spree will wipe the raid on sprocket
Because of the bombs?
west ridge
@vivid vessel whats your no feint wa
molten oasis
Key only player so I rock Dusk or Lens ?
Also Nightfall is only good in keys with a 681 main hand or can you use the 671 knuckles
wintry solar
ps with stack oppo only on 5-6 cp?
Ps 5 out of subt
frail veldt
Ps 5 out of subt
what
no
as HO you finish at 5cp both in subt and out of subt if you have either a an Opp or Ambush available
only time you build all the way to 6 as HO is when you dont have any procs
wintry solar
well solo told me otherwise
frail veldt
I dont think he did cuz hes the one who told me this
its also in the guide which he wrote lol
frail veldt
in solo we trust
keen belfry
ok i basically got to use KS on cd on lsat bos srookery
or um
workshop
learning
i did still die first pull
😄
i wonder how im suppsoed to get that first kss off
sudden fulcrum
insane
gentle geyser
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
grim spear
i wonder how im suppsoed to get that first kss off
u should use low cp ks here
or just play assa/sub for the first pull, then use portal to swap back to outlaw
keen belfry
just gotta learn thje ks ways of that pull
mossy saffron
Guys how do I know when to press KS, it feels bad pressing it and i just die all the time i feel
bright crane
U have to know dungeon mechanics
And at times u may need to send at 1cp if u got no other option
mossy saffron
if I KS on swampface do i grief
craggy barn
finally got brew done
quaint sable
if I KS on swampface do i grief
If u dont do it during the frontal or when he awekends the swap ahould be fine.
mossy saffron
If u dont do it during the frontal or when he awekends the swap ahould be fine.
Awaken is when the waves go out?
quaint sable
Ye
mossy saffron
okay ty
boreal garnet
Just came back after skipping the season so far, so this might be a obvious question but
do we use killing spree as a defensive ? 8 sec stagger does not sound too bad to me
boreal garnet
Ik the offensive bonus, and when to use it for damage when playing trickster.
But I thought it could be useful in high keys / m raid
boreal garnet
Kk ty
green sinew
quaint sable
Ik the offensive bonus, and when to use it for damage when playing trickster.
B...
In high keys if u stagger anything it will very likely kill u anyway so u wanna cloak off the dot.
vivid vessel
i wonder how im suppsoed to get that first kss off
I only low cp ks on that pull
west dirge
isn’t it safe to use cloak on this pull on 1st KS and then low cp ks?
stone helm
Hey guys, really quick question, im running HO build, how much % haste do i need?
torpid fiber
!haste
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The 
KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after 
Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The 
HO build gets 
Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
quaint geyser
did they make it wher eyou can't weapon swap the cudgel now?
haven't been on thsi char in a minute xd
vivid vessel
did you even try
hardy thicket
You can.
molten oasis
did they make it wher eyou can't weapon swap the cudgel now?
People min maxing it on bosses not using it but using 681
quaint geyser
did you even try
i did it wasn't swapping in keystone for me
tried in combat out of combat id k
is thumb the issue?
stiff glade
Thumb can't be swapped
quaint geyser
thatis' it then nvm
stiff glade
It's not a very good weapon for keys anyway though
proven ocean
shell fossil
do the rocket tonks perfer ranged? i got targeted a bunch
kinda started stacking with tank and running out to kill spree
proven ocean
Rossssssss
Uwuwuuuu
I miss you Ross ..
Why does it add big space bars in between wtf
sudden fulcrum
mighty pivot
bet it won't
rotund zodiac
vivid vessel
I NEED 11.2
I NEED KS REWORK
REALZ I BEG
@daring oxide when is it
11.1.9 
That's cooked
remote pecan
I NEED KS REWORK
not gna happen we'll get a new build / rework before then so we just wont have to press Ks anymore
balmy spade
yo boys I know we can't switch iron thumb in dungeons. isi t the same for capos?
red zinc
no
vivid vessel
not gna happen we'll get a new build / rework before then so we just wont have t...
i hope not
regal saffron
They're expecting to see rogue stuff on .2 ptr
vivid vessel
i want to play current outlaw iteration
regal saffron
vivid vessel
without the shit
red zinc
zac ur getting boomed
red zinc
if they are doing anything they are fully bonking the spec
remote pecan
i agree actually being able to play trickster with a KS we can actually just press would be nice
red zinc
they aint putting in any effort unless they make the spec into something else that way more people want to play
i feel
red zinc
ye theyre fixing it and reworking a bunch of other shit which we probably wont like
idk i doubt they wait this long if there isnt a whole other suite of changes
vivid vessel
why would they do that
red zinc
because nobody plays this spec?
remote pecan
imagine not being able to play an entire hero tree on certain fights or not being able to press a button for prolonged periods of time because of mechanics and it not being immidiately fixed
red zinc
idk man just based of blizzards dev pattern
vivid vessel
Devs been afk for a while now
red zinc
whenever a class is underplayed they dont just do small adjustments / fixes
vivid vessel
What dev patern
red zinc
they wait turbo long and then remake the entire spec
vivid vessel
There is no dev patern
red zinc
all the shaman shit, ret pala
vivid vessel
They fired all their devs
The ones remaining are working
On
A one button rotation
vivid vessel
Litteraly 0 dev working on current game rn and it's
It's shameful
I would be ashamed if I was a blizzard dev
mighty pivot
are you saying they are 
it?
I also think they will make some fucked up changes to make the spec more playable at entry level. But who knows what they will cook
vivid vessel
you'll crash out when the changes drop im just prepared for it
Maybe
There is plenty of things they could do to make the spec easier for entry level players that I would be happy about
For example
GIVING BACK ENERGY
BTW
Fact guy didn't even mention energy in his article
Oh well
red zinc
idk man outside of rogue changes in s3
it feels like whenever they change something they try to reinvent the whole wheel
for no reason
red zinc
ye
red zinc
thats all the people playing rogue rn need
vivid vessel
I can play current outlaw without ks for a few years no changes
It's very good
They have been perfecting the crackshot playstuoe for a bit now
I would be sad to not even be able to play it properly for a tier at least
But like
Can we get
5 min
Of dev time
I would have fixed ks already
Any random could have fixed ks without prior dev experience
remote pecan
i mean ks has been fixed alrdy by wox right
vivid vessel
Half the rogue community would do it for free
remote pecan
just blizz wont put it in the game themselves
vivid vessel
The other would pay blizzard to fix it themselves
I would pay blizzard 1k euro rn
Just so they let me fix ks
Not capping
red zinc
reverse employment
mighty pivot
why didn't wox just open a PR with his fix 
vivid vessel
I swear to god man
vivid vessel
Brother
I pay them 1k they let me make one pr
One
I require one week
Ok 1 weekend maybe
To look into it
Just
I can't anymore
Im litteraly paying a whole new game every 2 years
mighty pivot
they should also make the current 4p rtb bonus baseline too tbh
vivid vessel
And 20 e a month
And I can't even get the minimum
It's sad man
Current 4p is such trash rng garbage
I want something that smooth out rng
Like
You roll +1 always
So baseline is 2
You can roll 3 buffs
With LD etc
mighty pivot
make it roll 1 match per active sub on your account
vivid vessel
And we have higher chance of rolling a 3
red zinc
I want something that smooth out rng
df s3 tier 
remote pecan
next tier set should make AR duration be added on finishers like SnD 
make AR passive solve our downtime issues
red zinc
no pls
remote pecan
my rl says "stop dps" i say "no fuck off my AR has a 3m cd"
red zinc
no tier sets that will feel horrible when they disappear
mighty pivot
bandaid fixes
fluid meadow
next season legit unplayable if ks won't change? 3-4 sec lock in while in CoT frontals, orbs, dawnbreaker orbs, tankbusters, falling down from ship, stonevault so much frontals, stomps, rushing mobs, ara last boss shits too
vivid vessel
df s3 tier <:CAUGHT:1280607213420806215>
Ye but that one was a bit annoying
remote pecan
imo tier sets could & should be used to try things that could later be baseline
remote pecan
like is X a good idea? lets bung it on a tier set and see how broken it is
then tweak/tune and make it baseline when the tier set goes away
not saying every tier should be like that but certainly could be used for some things this way
vivid vessel
It could
But then they don't do it so
And this current tier set
Was the worse idea ever
remote pecan
and... why were this expansions tier sets not directly related to hero trees
like what
mighty pivot
bribe realzz with baguettes
regal saffron
one dev, i dont know why
vivid vessel
We should have used our wowhead article to complain about killing spree
regal saffron
it doesnt even matter how hard you cry
vivid vessel
It would have been fixed then
Cause they don't work unless they are pressured it seems
mighty pivot
ks was mentioned no?
vivid vessel
I mean an article like the bf bug one
mighty pivot
oh ok, it was just mentioned that it's dangerous to press in there
vivid vessel
or i think idk
haughty wigeon
Doesn’t hurt to check
vivid vessel
he never answered any of my messages back then
way before i was toxic so
i was writting banger messages back then even
haughty wigeon
Idk worse case is he appears like scarizard
vivid vessel
Wdym
vivid vessel
why would you want me to dm him
"yo dude, time to get to work and fix ks maybe"
there is nothing i can tell the guy that he doesnt already know
haughty wigeon
mighty pivot
"yo dude, time to get to work and fix ks maybe"
maybe it will work 
haughty wigeon
I mean don’t you have anything else u want fixed other than ks?
Add that with ks sprinkled on that
vivid vessel
No not really
haughty wigeon
Ah rip
vivid vessel
I do but
It's not nearly as important
Also it's thing he openly moked
And act like it didn't matter
Multiple times
So
haughty wigeon
We prayge for 11.2 changes then
vivid vessel
I'm playing with the team probably yes
proven ocean
ok
haughty wigeon
Both contacts implied it’s gonna be “big”
vivid vessel
That's bad
mighty pivot
big ret changes
haughty wigeon
I mean big as in
vivid vessel
The spec is good it's just killing spree
haughty wigeon
Like a lot of bug fixes for multiple specs
And clsss changes
Implied btw
11.2 is looking to be a solid patch with a lot of changes
mighty pivot
I mean, you'd hope so given that 11.1.7 has nothing
vivid vessel
Neither did .5
fluid meadow
oh no pls no augs again, put them into the bin
haughty wigeon
11.1.5 and 11.1.7
vivid vessel
It's embarrassing
mighty pivot
only hotfix changes
vivid vessel
I hope they don't fuck up
haughty wigeon
Literally the only reason I’m hyped for 11.1.7
mighty pivot
and those were pretty rare too
haughty wigeon
Is for 11.2 news
vivid vessel
Literally the only reason I’m hyped for 11.1.7
arent we already in .7
haughty wigeon
That will appear soon
vivid vessel
ah
mighty pivot
.7 in a week
haughty wigeon
I don’t blame u tho
vivid vessel
you nkow there is nothing when you dont even know you are in it yet or not
mighty pivot
it doesn't feel like there are patches happening yes
haughty wigeon
Granted I think 11.1.7 is better from a lore standpoint point
Lore walking is neat
mighty pivot
and charged delves
haughty wigeon
Hooge
Charged delves still easy as shit
Tho I think the intention is testing the grounds
mighty pivot
for what
haughty wigeon
To make a solo game mode that rewards mythic tier gear
mighty pivot
oh boy
vivid vessel
hm
haughty wigeon
I mean I don’t mind delves, I think it’s a very successful game mode for solo players that provides a solid gearing avenue for them
Aka heroic gear
Seeing it evolve to something harder to reward better gear would be neat
But I’m afraid it’ll be another zekvir??
mighty pivot
if it means mythic track for the last row of the vault, that would be annoying having to do so many delves
haughty wigeon
Where it was “to hard” and was nerfed to oblivion
fluid meadow
Seeing it evolve to something harder to reward better gear would be neat
yeah, but that's not an option too if your bis items are from delves and only can get in hero and not have any same items from dungeons with those stats meanwhile there are around 10-15 items on that slot in the game
haughty wigeon
mighty pivot
I don't think they pay too much attention on the choices you get per slot. There are a few basically identical items this season, yet stat combinations which just don't exist. And you can only craft shit with 1:1 secondary stat ratio which doesn't work that great for specs with breakpoints
vivid vessel
i wish we could chose our tier set stats also
jolly geyser
Mastery on everything
mighty pivot
they could just make mastery not trash smileyface
jolly geyser
Wouldnt get your hopes up
mighty pivot
I don't have any hope
jolly geyser
Just a fools hope hehe
mighty pivot
but it would be the sensible solution. They need to balance the tier stats since other specs like mastery so it makes sense that we have plenty on it for the tier
fluid meadow
nice change would be rerolling vault too to not pick sockets for weeks at start, still can drop bad items but more chance to loot something useful
flat needle
nice change would be rerolling vault too to not pick sockets for weeks at start,...
Vault-Reroll-Tokens in Shop confirmed
red zinc
I still think vault / myth item catchup somehow would be awesome
They can think of a good way to do it
shell fossil
boe drops from m0s would encourage ppl plus current delve setup
champ/hero track delve boe trinks from m0s bow chicka wowow
timber knoll
whats the snd bug?
rotund zodiac
Would scroll become bis if it has mythic version?
shell fossil
p sure you can sim it with 684 ilevel
rotund zodiac
Oh right
vague cape
thoughts on taking remnant from vault when I already have myth mug'zee, seaforium and pacemaker?
red zinc
I mean yeah thats something but being behind in vaults still hurts a lil
idk probably asking too much
desert tendon
Zac more like cutie on the hill
daring oxide
@vivid vessel you excited, 11.2 ptr patch notes soon
big outlaw section for killing spree rework
🙏
ITS COMING BOYS
stiff glade
I mean yeah thats something but being behind in vaults still hurts a lil
Yeah I agree. Every season I only play my rogue for a good while, and when I finally pick up an alt like 2 months in it always feels bad being like 8 vaults of gear behind. Should probably just decide on an alt early and do a minimum amount of keys for vault every week from the start, but all that work man
daring oxide
PLACE YOUR HANDS TOGETHER AND PRAY
FOR THE SUN WILL RISE AGAIN
AND DAWN A NEW AGE UPON OUTLAW
red zinc
<@352916297262301194> you excited, 11.2 ptr patch notes soon
next thursday 
daring oxide
next thursday <:LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOO:799359454952554496>
omg next thursday lets go, we have a date set
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> you excited, 11.2 ptr patch notes soon
I'm effraid
More than excited
I'm effraid they just decide to full rework outlaw again
Instead of finally finishing this version
Then we go back to something that's half finished
That will look fine till we start finding flaws again
That won't get fixed
Till the next rework
And again
And again
bright lodge
How about KS would be capstone talent and ghostly would activate trickster thing instead?
daring oxide
I’m also afraid too, because I also think they just need to sort killing spree out and make some tweaks to fatebound and it’ll be perfect, but it’s as you say they might destroy core outlaw with an unnecessary rework
@vivid vessel
vivid vessel
Ye
quaint sable
Ye rn the managing windows of crackshot with coup/KS is really fun (excluding the fact KS stuns u) would suck to have it dissapear.
vivid vessel
We legit never got to enjoy crackshot outlaw without shit bugs or shit ks
Back in df we had all the stealth bugs
And bte not resetting was a huge deal
quaint sable
Ye, esp when I was playing on high ping it felt awful.
So many accidently clipping the last bte out of the subt window.
vivid vessel
Ye
I mean the most annoying part for me was going into another pack without bte ready
Having to greed bte at end of packs but not too much
Was so annoying
quaint sable
Ooh ye that too. Ye holding bte at the end of packs was yucky. And that with the subt bug where u couldnt restealth during it made the perfect fucky feel going from pack to pack.
grim spear
The entire hero talent system is pretty much a failure.
vivid vessel
of coruse it is
grim spear
the concept was incredibly ambitious,
but the execution feels
quaint sable
Nah tricksters interactions are cool just the fact it relies on KS sucks.
vivid vessel
meh
its just a stacking buffs
with plenty of annoying shit in between
fazed debuff for exmaple
quaint sable
Ye if u could betrer track unseen it would be a lot nicer.
quaint sable
Ye thats dumb
vivid vessel
why cant you stack coup things over the 5
why do every other stack goes to waste
why is ub hidden
quaint sable
The stacking over 5 being weird is mainly just a bad interaction with crackshot.
quaint sable
Like u could easily just send on 4 always if crackshot didnt lock u out of it.
vivid vessel
like it is for the shaman thing or the dh thing for example
vivid vessel
Like u could easily just send on 4 always if crackshot didnt lock u out of it.
not true
you can litteralyt build to it > have ks
and again
dh thing works in a way where you can store infinte of them
it just consume 5 to do the thing
same for shaman one
gaunt phoenix
can they consume it twice in a row
vivid vessel
ye
quaint sable
Dam getting like 22 cp of restless in 3 gcds
vivid vessel
its a big thing for shaman
cause the storm proc is quite powerful
going into a pack with 2 is huge
hidden bay
Guys hold the negativity for few more weeks until ptr 11.2 ub and ks 100% ion said we track too much
Temspests is cringe af too
red zinc
ion doesnt remember a single thing he says
red zinc
mf walks back more than Plennie Lawrence Wingo
gaunt phoenix
ion doesnt remember a single thing he says
that's sounds just a bit dramatic
hidden bay
I think no reason to doubt good changes coming until like halfway through ptr
hidden bay
All things considered we did get reworked not that long ago
vivid vessel
Reminder the big thing this season was him saying s1 was kinda failed cause of the stun rework things
And how there was too many casters
And too many things going on
And they will work on having less important casters, less casts etc
Cue s2
And it's worse than s1
magic shuttle
Are you sure?
vivid vessel
Rookery you need a 3 kick rotation on each caster and there can be 3/4 casters per pack
hidden bay
Isnt this season like a lot more popular?
vivid vessel
Same shit in priory
magic shuttle
I feel like s2 pulls also got bigger
hidden bay
S2 feels a lot more fun idk
vivid vessel
Isnt this season like a lot more popular?
How does that conflict with what I said
hidden bay
Dungeons got better idk
quaint sable
I also love getting blown up on first pull ws every single time without fail
hidden bay
This season feels very anti melee tho
molten oasis
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
magic shuttle
This season feels very anti melee tho
Doesn't stop from pugs being mainly melee comps tho
quaint sable
At least lots of random hunters
magic shuttle
But that trash section in Motherload between 1st and 2nd bosses is definitely miserable as melee
quaint sable
And all of rookery
hidden bay
But that trash section in Motherload between 1st and 2nd bosses is definitely mi...
Ws rookery flood first pack
Flood i legit feint evasion and jesus take the wheel first pack
magic shuttle
Flood feels fine besides the root that you cannot vanish out of
glass mortar
flood is less scary then it seems
the saws have pretty favorable hitboxes and dont insta tick u if u tap them with ur pp
idk if ive ever taken damage from them from ks even
flamethrower is only dangerous thing and even that wont 1 tap u thru feint
i pretty much yolo kspree 100% of that pack and rarely ever come out with a stagger on me
so i think the tickrate timer on saws and flamethrower must be pretty long
vivid vessel
Dungeons got better idk
idk its the same to me
the caster issue tho
is waht im talking about
vivid vessel
Has been for years now
i was specifically talking about ion
at end of s1
saying how they are takcing a drastic turn
to stop that
and then it went the opposite way
red zinc
that's sounds just a bit dramatic
it is, he does say a lot of wow related things that are never returned to though
but hyperbole is the only way i communicate these days outlaw discord did one on me
glass mortar
i mean he lawyer speaks about alot of this stuff and people make assumptions out of what he said that he didnt commit to quite often
hidden bay
Well the outlaw thing he definitely didnt commit to anything
But it was fresh on his mind because they are working on it rn 
glass mortar
sure the way he talked about outlaw could be interpreted to mean we will be simplified, or it could mean we will have new UI elements to better track all the new stuff we got
who knows
i think outlaw is just one of the outlier specs of the game rn
people barely know anything about it... other then its weird and likes to stack vers
late swallow
Ion is the guy posting on wowhead “ks is actually really cool and not lame”
vivid vessel
"I dont play rogue but I hope they never rework ks it looks so fun from outside !"
late swallow
fallow hinge
"KS is too important for the combat/outlaw spec identity, that's why we forgot about it between legion and tww" - blizz, probably
hidden bay
"I dont play rogue but I hope they never rework ks it looks so fun from outside ...
Thats every opinion on wowhead summed up
unborn turtle
Remplace kpree with canon barrage
fallow hinge
canon barrage or cannon barrage
do rogues just get an ability that bombards their target with established lore
wintry solar
gonna bore them to death with wow lore
fallow hinge
or balls of metal?
gaunt phoenix
Ks can still be fun and different
wintry solar
"KS is too important for the combat/outlaw spec identity, that's why we forgot a...
outlaw identity in 2025 lolol
unborn turtle
do rogues just get an ability that bombards their target with established lore
We had that in legion
fallow hinge
We had that in legion
canon barrage? we definitely didn't
we did have cannon barrage tho
unborn turtle
stiff glade
I want a fanfic barrage
late swallow
When you press KS it plays a 3 hour nobbel lore deep dive video on a random mob in redridge mountains and the mobs just die of boredom
wintry solar
mpreg arthas
late swallow
Pregnant arthas?
vivid vessel
Thats every opinion on wowhead summed up
its actually a real message i read in a class discord
gaunt phoenix
Gregananant
late swallow
its actually a real message i read in a class discord
Im just gonna say that I perfect mechanics and cheat always went to waste. Yes it will come in handy if I'm tired but mostly not used at all. So I took elusive. Last words no cap.
knotty needle
"I dont play mage but i sure hope they add rune of power back"
wintry solar
I dont play mage but I hope they bring rune of power back
vivid vessel
Im just gonna say that I perfect mechanics and cheat always went to waste. Yes i...
Im just gonna say that I perfect mechanics and cheat always went to waste. Yes it will come in handy if I'm tired but mostly not used at all. So I took elusive. Last words no cap.
fallow hinge
I miss rune of power, as someone who never played mage
stiff glade
when youre not the one playing it
We are two outlaws in my guild. Can confirm no one thinks it's fun when every other mechanic is seemingly lagging around and no one knows where the soak will land
stiff glade
They are actually very tolerating of our terror
fallow hinge
what about m sprocket?
grim spear
its actually a real message i read in a class discord
"if you dont like movers, why play havoc"
wintry solar
if the devs had that line of thinking classes would never see iterations
stiff glade
what about m sprocket?
I didn't play when they progged that, but mug'zee had its moments
wintry solar
outlaw is giving me psoriasis
glass mortar
you mispelled GF spec
wintry solar
one day
wintry solar
one day but for real this time
obsidian walrus
can someone tell what trinket combo should i go for for M+
hybrid crown
I miss leeching poison
fallow hinge
one day but for real this time
one day but for realsy reals 100% real this time
hybrid crown
I keep doing my vault 10s in hopes of getting some fat leech tier pieces
vivid vessel
one day
one day what
the talent does litteraly nothing
how can you be hyped
by nothing
wintry solar
scroll down dimwit
knotty needle
you just don't see the vision
vivid vessel
one day but for real this time
same shit
wintry solar
break that habit of jumping to conclusions
vivid vessel
talent does nothing
wintry solar
so?
vivid vessel
so why would you be hyped by talents that are just
wintry solar
because I can
wintry solar
most talents are just that
grim spear
so when will 11.2 go ptr?
vivid vessel
x does more damamge gg
grim spear
tomorrow?
fallow hinge
wish ur face was meta
vivid vessel
Popo
wintry solar
zac
wintry solar
I did not
vivid vessel
You sure did
wintry solar
I got hyped because trickster was getting more play
vivid vessel
Bet you gooning over heavy hitter
wintry solar
guess again
wintry solar
I got hyped because trickster was getting more play
had I'd have the forsight to see double coup would get fixed, I wouldnt have been
glass mortar
most talents are just that
yes and its extremely weird when people get excited about talents that dont do anything to the gameplay and dont have animations
but to be fair, at least cold blood has an animation
wintry solar
hands get cold
glass mortar
u just about never see it since u just macro cold blood into bte/dispatch but
gsw is always this for me
i genuinly cant fathom how people get enjoyment out of this talent in its state
do they get a custom addon to explode the combat text of just the 1st shot of PS so it can seem like the talent does anything
wintry solar
I think they trick themselves
lime lake
god i fucking love gsw
hidden bay
I doesnt do fuck all
vivid vessel
I think they trick themselves
yuo0 litteraly are gooning over lethality buddy
knotty needle
gotta goon over something
wintry solar
fr
knotty needle
what are you gonna goon over killing spree?
knotty needle
finally some good fucking food
sudden fulcrum
my new goon fuel
torpid fiber
my new goon fuel
huge for mastery builds
wintry solar
perhaps I should partake in the raven's fruit
hidden bay
my new goon fuel
Zac fs gooning over this with his hoc
torpid fiber
wait
bro isn't even 90% mastery I thought class discords were meant to be good at their specs
knotty needle
true
knotty needle
we wouldnt understand
torpid fiber
You're only 47% of a master
knotty needle
he's just different
shell fossil
oh kitty did someone say outlaw
shell fossil
it do be raid time tomorrow
wintry solar
and its the greatest ability of all time
knotty needle
we love killing spree
shell fossil
oh the server is shutting down
torpid fiber
we love killing spree
shell fossil
sigh at least i dont have to retry 13 top again
wintry solar
aint doing keys this week
sullen walrus
I need to use ad in prepull? And after i'll use snd. It's okay?
shell fossil
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
- After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into BtE.
shell fossil
just rtb this season
sullen walrus
think im done with this season
which things?:)
wintry solar
secret c:
shell fossil
good season not enough dungeons they're all really low stress/friction tbh-h-h-h
wintry solar
ilvl will go up so yeah
glass mortar
they are memeing there is no leaks or anything about any outlaw changes
lime lake
no we just arent sharing them with you
glass mortar
they r just being cringe and continuing to meme even when people clearly not in on the fact they are joking ask
wintry solar
Bel actually know more than me
sullen walrus
can they upgrade outlaw pls. cooldown of ar 30 sec , killing spree on 7 cp 5 mln , and bte on 1 cp 1 mln overall
lime lake
real
shell fossil
some pound cake...would be nice...
knotty needle
11.2 will remove killing spree
uncap aoe
make outlaw the best raid and m+ spec
fix that grappling hook bug that pisses me off even though it's kind of a skill issue not gonna lie
surely
knotty needle
source: it came to me in a dream
sudden fulcrum
in 11.2 killing spree will send you to The Maw instead of causing you to die
knotty needle
probably more likely
in order to escape and get back to the raid we have to do 3 maw dailies
elfin pine
if i'm 1st timing rogue and i like this idea of outlaw, should i directly play outlaw or maybe pick sth differently to get ahold of this stealth usage mechanic? played range my whole life but i wanna be a cool rogue :<
torpid fiber
ER never left! :O
this is the next gsw
wintry solar
this is the next gsw
shouldve buffed pistol shot frfr
torpid fiber
if i'm 1st timing rogue and i like this idea of outlaw, should i directly play o...
Play whatever you enjoy, you'll learn best that way
knotty needle
if i'm 1st timing rogue and i like this idea of outlaw, should i directly play o...
if you think you'll like outlaw just play outlaw
glass mortar
ER never left! :O
pretty poggers, think about it
torpid fiber
If you want to play outlaw, play outlaw
glass mortar
everytime you press RtB you do 100k more damage with ur next two SS
!
thats like 200k whole damage
wintry solar
:OOO
glass mortar
thats almost as much as another sinister strike cast
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wintry solar
Ryu would be so hyped
shell fossil
play hidden opportunity first, you just focus on builder/spender loop
knotty needle
woah dude i just thought of another way to sinister strike more
mastery
knotty needle
all mastery with reprimand gotta be broken for sure
glass mortar
14.4% 
hybrid crown
wintry solar
we need to front load everything into mastery
azure vortex
Let's say I propose I would give 300k if we can finish a key intime and I runaway after we complete the key
what can happen?
knotty needle
KiR but instead of increasing duration of dice buffs it increases duration of all mastery buffs
wintry solar
what can happen?
Mr. Outlaw over here
azure vortex
At least I did not runaway immediately, I popped the trade and put 30gold = 300k copper there
never mentioned the type of currency
but this warlock got mad
wintry solar
do you happen to be a goblin?
azure vortex
nah I would describe myself as night elf on the outside, orc in inside
shell fossil
committed to asking for 350 whenever ppl ask for loot this late in the season
already got 1, next maybe 2 
azure vortex
goblins gotta be rich right? then no xD
wintry solar
chatgpt says youre fine
well
it actually said we should flay you but I know what it actually means
keen belfry
I only low cp ks on that pull
hmm ok ty
glass mortar
i dont know how much blizzard supports ingame gold transactions with keys but my guess would be not much so
vivid vessel
what can happen?
nothing
in game gold translation isnt moderated byu blizzard really
players cant complain
you can scam people nothing can happen to you
red zinc
you can scam people nothing can happen to you
Felt like it was quite the opposite before wasnt it?
Like if you sent a ticket with a clear chat message agreeing to what the trade was and the gold trade itself they would actually take action if there was a scam
rmt scams they cant do anything logically
silver sluice
They had enforcement of if in the past at one point yes, and RP realms even moreso but I don't think they do anymore
vivid vessel
Like if you sent a ticket with a clear chat message agreeing to what the trade w...
rn no
idk abotju the past
silver sluice
But also not for just... Services really. It was item based usually
vivid vessel
i only talk about the present
red zinc
I mean it was like end of SL that I got someone banned for it
boost run through trade/services chat that he just didnt deliver
vivid vessel
good luck with that today
red zinc
if you want to get someone banned now you just massreport for advertising even if they dont
unethical wow tip
azure vortex
how does the vault coin thingy work, ie. what should i do minimum if i want 6 coins
glass mortar
2 coins per slot, maximum 6 coins per week
so fill 3 slots if u wanna socket/max coins
azure vortex
ok, not feeling doing 4 more dungeons so ill kill 1 boss then, ty
late swallow
fatebound cold blood build when?
late swallow
bro is toxic af!
wintry solar
fatebound cold blood build when?
tomorrow, if not tomorrow then read this message again.
vivid vessel
I'm glad popo instantly took back his spot after ryuk left
dim fern
am i understanding correctly that u always want to rtb with 4 or less buffs when you play supercharger and have 4 set?
Im playing HO
gaunt phoenix
am i understanding correctly that u always want to rtb with 4 or less buffs when...
Yes but 4 or less buffs vs 3 or less buffs is about the same
wintry solar
Ryu had to put effort into what I do