#outlaw

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vivid vessel
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but i would rather overuse

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than under use

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i will more often make the mistake of using a cd when i should have held

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than the opposite

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but i think thats good

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cause we are playing outlaw

lost folio
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!log

hardy thicket
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caved and got cudgel

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weapon swap prison

agile orchid
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Does the wound poison do anything to the last boss in rookery?

fallen knot
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yo

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can i solo kelthuzad from sanctum of domination?

worldly compass
fallen knot
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did they tho

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i entered

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and it reset

shy pecan
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can you swap weapons mid boss fight in m+?

craggy barn
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yes

fallen knot
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yes

craggy barn
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it costs a gcd

fallen knot
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how do i solo kelthuzad

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then

shy pecan
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ok ty

lime lake
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arfus

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that stops it from resetting

fallen knot
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ok yes

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but i bugged it again

lime lake
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huge

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can also try the old strat

fallen knot
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like

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it's been like this for 2 mins

lime lake
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i mean thats just a reset angle

fallen knot
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i cant

lime lake
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get fucked ig

fallen knot
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i'm stuck

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here

lime lake
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bugs in my wow game

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impossible

fallen knot
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i'll wait 10mins fro the enrage i guess

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silly me wanting to get the lego bow cause i'm considering leveling a hunter

austere arch
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
cinder oxide
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do i neeeeeed to swap sub for last boss rookery in a 19?

past falcon
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no

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ur just gonna have more boss phases, but the phases are faster

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so u just need to run a route that gives u enough time for boss

vivid vessel
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makse sure you find a route that allows you enough time to 6 phase the boss

cinder oxide
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PHEW thanks kitties ❤️

fossil lintel
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Do you even change any gear around when going sub for it?

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We have very little mast

vivid vessel
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nah bro idc

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i have diff ring and neck

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rest is all the same

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haste vers

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who cares

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you destroy the boss anwyay

fossil lintel
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Did you already stop streaming today?

vivid vessel
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ye

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we played early

fossil lintel
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I missed it

vivid vessel
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cause our ferla had to go

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10am to 4pm stream

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lil early session

fossil lintel
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I'm in Brazil so that would be very early for me

sudden fulcrum
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you can always watch the video after

gusty cipher
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good god i've just realized for the past 2 weeks i've been plyaing supercharger/HO with sinister strike macroed with GS on every of my bars. So probably skipping on like half the ambushes i could do, speccing into deft maneuvers because I thought my CP generation was too low... the dps was ok tho lol

red zinc
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stop inventing

lime lake
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Never tell a chef to stop cooking

clear badge
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Is there any weak aura or addon to record the ability used ?

sudden fulcrum
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warcraft logs

clear badge
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Not like that, like on his video at the bottom right of the screen

sudden fulcrum
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details can show the abilities being used on screen if that is what you mean

clear badge
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Oh it's a details configuration ? i'll search for it

sudden fulcrum
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it's a plugin yeah you can find it in the options

vivid vessel
craggy barn
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god i hate workshop

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just need brew now for 16 resi 🙂

hardy thicket
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The boss fights are so good for KS

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...

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I inted my healer so hard last WS he said rogue plz just dont ks

clear badge
tropic zephyr
craggy barn
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nah i just hate 2nd and 3rd boss so much

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2nd bc the los bullshit

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3rd bc its hard to see some of the shit

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the fire circles blend in with the fucking center

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so well

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its so annoying

civic zephyr
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Hi - i just reactivated my sub after not playing since S2 of dragonflight. I checked the pins and some youtube videos.
I wanted to know what's the main go-to build that people are using for raiding + keys?

In the past I mainly played HO

fallen knot
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fatebound kir for pure single target, trickster kir 1fth technically better for m+, but personally i find HO trickster much much easier and still does competitive damage (the builds are pretty close)

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HO trickster for both raiding and m+

civic zephyr
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Thanks, also do we currently have any bugs for outlaw? I've been reading about there being a bladefury bug and I believe that it's fixed now?

fallen knot
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!bug

ornate heathBOT
delicate seal
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one of the worst things they've done to us recently

vapid sundial
analog mulch
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Im kinda new to outlaw and really enjoying it, ive looted signet of the priory, do i bind it to a cd?

sick monolith
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I wouldnt

next wedge
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signet isn't that good for outlaw overall, and we dont have a burst CD to bind it with

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yo i just dl zac WA

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what is the number that countdowns by the RtB buffs but doesnt have an icon

random stirrup
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container

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it is tracking the container buff duration

next wedge
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i see

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HO player rn so doesnt matter for me

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buff FB

covert kestrel
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Dam

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I'm cooked

random stirrup
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ya that one does that

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i think mint was talking about the one to the right of the rtb buffs

gleaming lagoon
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!prepull

next wedge
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yea i was

shy pecan
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on kul tarok. When is the proper time to KS? Or is it feint evade and pray 😄 ?

next wedge
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the orbs disappear from time to time, that's the only safe time

vivid vessel
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on cd

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with a pre feint

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preposition so you dont land on one

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pre feint prevent you to die from stagger bug

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with a feint you dont die even in 21

red zinc
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(!!IF YOUR HEALER ISNT DOGSHIT!!)

tender wedge
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Feels like you don’t take damage if you touch them for a split second while in KS, it’s only if you land in one

buoyant stratus
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
vivid vessel
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no but

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stagger bug

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also you do take damage you can have a fat dot on you

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like 10/15%

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if you get unlucky

tender wedge
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My keys must be too low I never even notice, I sure as hell notice when I stand in one natty though

vivid vessel
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you dont notice stagger bug ?

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thats crazy cuh

west dirge
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curious question, what 'usual' tips are in keys like 17-18-19?

tender wedge
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I don’t do enough keys to regularly hit that sliver of time I guess😂

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Plus I’m generally overcautious with KS use

next wedge
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i saw zac KS into a bonk cast

ripe ibex
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i think when you are learning you should probably just press it on cd

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see what you can get away with

shy pecan
vivid vessel
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you should play cheat death

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when playing killing spree

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and just learn

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what kills you

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you dont need elus till like

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17/18s

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higher maybe now with the new ilvl

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but thats around the key level i started going elus back before the ilvl increase

tender wedge
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The only thing I can’t get away with is my friends wanting to continue to play with me when I kill them with KS tomfoolery 😂

shy pecan
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Yea I am trying things out but asking questions to people who know stuff helps me reduce the amounts of tries I have to do. Especially since this is the goat discord where people actually answer questions and go into detail about gameplay instead of just saying "just sim" or "does not matter because you do not play 21s" xd

tender wedge
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Depends when you ask 🤭

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But yeah this disc is generally more helpful than most in my experience

next wedge
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tbh u should just sim

vivid vessel
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you can actually

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with not even close

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sim what would kill you

haughty wigeon
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zac

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stupid question

vivid vessel
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ye thats me

haughty wigeon
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but is bf bugged?

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in a ngeative way rn?

vivid vessel
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wdym

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no

haughty wigeon
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kk ty

vivid vessel
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i dont think so

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wh y

haughty wigeon
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forum post rn

vivid vessel
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agauin

haughty wigeon
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but no one there wants to bring me one log

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showing its bug

vivid vessel
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i mean every week some guy invent a new conspiracy theory

haughty wigeon
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just using it as excuse to shit on outlaw i guess

vivid vessel
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waht does the post says

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i mean i could be missing something but like

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the old bug right

haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
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was very noticeable

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i do normal damage now

haughty wigeon
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not the old bug

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this is post bug fix

next wedge
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does KS snapshot RTB buffs

vivid vessel
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ok i mean

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xd

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this would definitly

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be noticeable

haughty wigeon
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right?

vivid vessel
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ah i know

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why he says that

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its for old content

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so one of the side effect of fixing bf

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is that if you kill something with a damage

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the damage wont get flurried

haughty wigeon
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ohh i c

vivid vessel
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i forgot about it cause well

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its irrelevant for me

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but ye

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that was a side effect of the bf fix

craggy barn
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outlaw is not outlaw anymore 😠

haughty wigeon
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okay that makes sense

craggy barn
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based af

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haughty wigeon
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dude talked like he was tlaking about current content

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guess i just passively ignored the dragonsoul part

next wedge
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oh yes that part is annoying in old content

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but

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dont care'

vivid vessel
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yeeee

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I mean idk

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thing is

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there was this tag in the spell data

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"able to hit dead target" or whatever it was

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the yremoved it when they fixed it

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but i do wonder if it did anything other than allowing overkill to be bfed

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and the devs didnt bother to test maybe

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or its just not possible to have bf work both way

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idc either way its only relevant for piss low mog farming so

next wedge
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i think if u land a killing blow with BF on it doesnt copy dmg to the extra targets

vivid vessel
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ye well thats what i said

next wedge
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so it could result in 1 or 2 losses of BF dmg

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in keys

haughty wigeon
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or they just didnt test

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who knows

vivid vessel
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i mean i can tell you its irrelevant in normal content

haughty wigeon
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i mean that goes without saying

next wedge
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low impact bug for the list

haughty wigeon
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and old content is such a meme just spec into blade rush and kill everything with uncapped power

vivid vessel
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I can see how it can be annoying in noob content but

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I couldn't care less

next wedge
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if ur running mog stuff

vivid vessel
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If you are doing old raid farming in 2026 you are cooked

next wedge
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thats all you'd run into it for

vivid vessel
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Are we in 2025

next wedge
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jesus

haughty wigeon
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or sub

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bladerush should kill everything and is uncapped

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low cd

next wedge
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holy shit uncapped dps

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we've been using the wrong talents this whole time

flat needle
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How do we play kandle king?

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Like serious

next wedge
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can KS right after the wax aoes go out safely every time

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assuming the clones are actually getting hit

flat needle
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so using the window between clearing the clones and baiting the new ones, understand

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One of the last bosses is still struggle

vivid vessel
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Tanks need to be cooperative

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You insta kick the first kick after he drops puddle so you can move it in a proper position

craggy barn
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tanks that know to move bosses is fcking goated

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esp on candle and last boss ws

glass mortar
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god darkflame is just not pleasant

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ST boss with some downtime and candle king with pug tanks

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the higher i pug the worse these bosses get cause u cant carry them

stuck sparrow
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i’ve watched pug tanks in priory

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keep boss on top of braunpyke hammers

craggy barn
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well thats a bit different, since eventually he casts right after dropping hammers

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i just dodge the hammers

stuck sparrow
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i mean any good tank moves after he puts hammers down

craggy barn
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yea, but the boss sometimes literally insta casts

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after hammers

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and barely moves

nocturne folio
craggy barn
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ah i only tank as bdk so i cant even do that

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LOL

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literally cant just book it

nocturne folio
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you can premove too, there is about 1s window

craggy barn
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yes i do that

nocturne folio
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its harder

craggy barn
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but still

nocturne folio
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yeah for sure

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thats what the BDK dude i play with does

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watching pala/druid/monk/DH sitting on hammers for like 2 seconds

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makes me want to click dalaran HS

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but there are worse things

vivid vessel
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Nah

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Priory

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You can outplay the boss

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And have 100% uptime

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Let me find a pov one sec

stuck sparrow
craggy barn
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nah i get out, just sometimes boss isnt fully out of hammers

stuck sparrow
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yeah unlucky

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i find pwar more fun

craggy barn
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its whatever, since im the only rogue player in the guild

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and i only tank with my guild sometimes

stuck sparrow
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vdh is kinda snooze unless you chain proc hunt resets

craggy barn
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no one else gets to complain about uptime

stuck sparrow
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i do laugh though

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at how often im top damage on the minibosses

nocturne folio
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when tanks do the big pull here and then tank the whole pack away from the demolitionist

stuck sparrow
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wounded quarry go brr

nocturne folio
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in flood

craggy barn
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yea thats fucking pain

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i hate that

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its funny when its a vdh

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and they fucking miss their chain

stuck sparrow
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vdh chain range

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smol

vivid vessel
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Specifically the latest ones

craggy barn
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ah just master baiting

stuck sparrow
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though ngl

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first pull of priory is much spookier on vdh

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than pwar

craggy barn
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first pull of priory is so funny

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a few times ive had dumbasses use their knocks incorrectly, killing me

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as bdk

stuck sparrow
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Yeah pugs annoy me so much

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with how spread out they are

craggy barn
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i had a mw monk

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use rop

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and kill me

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this was early on when i used the fountain stairs

stuck sparrow
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so mobs are spread perma

craggy barn
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for knockback protection

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and this monk just sends a rop

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and kocks everything behind me

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and i insta die

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to back shots

nocturne folio
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i ran another rogue from 0 to 3k this week. DFC first pull is so funny on the 4 to 12 key range

vivid vessel
nocturne folio
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1st and 2nd pull

vivid vessel
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Under 50% I think it starts overlapping

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I was training my people here cause they never did it

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But ye

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Very op

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Watch the last one

craggy barn
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ye

vivid vessel
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We can hit the whole duration

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While he cast insta

stuck sparrow
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tbh

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i dont like pulling big first pull dfc

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in pugs

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some bozo doesnt have kick bound

vivid vessel
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In high keys we always incap a caster

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Cause there is no caster for the pull right after anyway

stuck sparrow
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also i remembered why i hate pugging low theater keys

craggy barn
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ye incaping 1 caster is goated

stuck sparrow
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someone dies on the bull into boss pull

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hunter not soothing the enrage

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12 keys now feel like the boosted animal level

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saw an hpal not dispel once on last boss rookery

flat needle
balmy spade
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i hope we dont get turbo sht next season

craggy barn
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dw

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we will

jaunty moat
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Do you get instantly one shot if you get hit by tank frontal last boss of cinder while in killing spree ?

craggy barn
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at higher keys maybe

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er no

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unless u get ks stagger bug

jaunty moat
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it didnt stagger i just got one shotted

craggy barn
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thats the stagger bug

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something about the last strike of KS not properly staggering

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or something

jaunty moat
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good to know

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thanks

vivid vessel
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Ye

ebon tide
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best curios for underpin ??

craggy barn
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i use the clone and dino

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mechasaur ez build kit

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and

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bioprinter

glass mortar
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15 mecha done

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i did my two least favorite keys first

craggy barn
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nice

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i couldnt find any 16 brews earlier so i just stopped playing for the day

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lol

bright crane
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Just need flood and rook for resil 16

winter nacelle
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man my sim says myth magnet and myth spare keys are better then magnet and pacemaker 😦

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double on use is gr8

craggy barn
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u can just not use spare keys

winter nacelle
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is there a weakaura i can use for magnet? or is there a certain way i should use it

long barn
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@vivid vessel - why do you like the HOC trinket so much

gaunt phoenix
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its just fine in aoe

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like 4 trinkets are the same dmg so its just vibes

long barn
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Hmm

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Which ones are those.

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Pace?

gaunt phoenix
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geargrinder magnet pacemaker whistle hoc

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Remnant

long barn
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I run whistle but it feels little behind on large packs

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It felt good 14-16 keys

glass mortar
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it sims identical to stat trinkets on 8t sims for me so

long barn
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But 18-19s it’s feeling like blah

glass mortar
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doesnt rlly matter xd

long barn
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Yea

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Maybe it’s plecebo

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My dps is well behind Zac’s and few others at higher IO and just trying to make sense of it.

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Other than I’m a scrub lol

gaunt phoenix
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def not trinkets

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they are 1.4% of your dmg

long barn
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KIR logs are so difficult

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To like find what’s happening

long barn
glass mortar
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8 targets

long barn
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You run that to just test stuff over Dslice

glass mortar
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if i wanna test the aoe scaling of a trinket vs its st yes

long barn
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Makes sense

long barn
glass mortar
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patchwerk

long barn
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8 bosses yah?

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Do you bump the time to like 1 min?

gaunt phoenix
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No

glass mortar
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no

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that would heavily favor a long cd trinket

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i just do 5m

long barn
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Ok

glass mortar
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im just seeing how trinkets scale up on st vs target cap

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dslice is fine too

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just doesnt tell u directly

long barn
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Yea I understand

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Interested in seeing

neat heart
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its kinda insane the pirate care free outlaw class is also one of the most minxmax specs

long barn
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Blizzard makes it hard on my opinion. Our stat weights and such really leaves you trying to chase 1%

worldly wing
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
stoic stirrup
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Dumb question, on fights where I have time off the boss like Rik Reverb’s amps - is it a dps gain to Pistol Shot and BtE?

ember goblet
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!logs

glass mortar
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only if u are back to max energy by the time u reconnect

stoic stirrup
glass mortar
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dont energy starve urself PSing it does no damage

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(assuming no procs of course)

strong cargo
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But you should be afk for too long so it doesn't really matters, just keep your rotation or pistol shot if you're max energy but it won't make a difference if you have no procs

fossil lintel
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Can you roll and abuse snd cancel during it?

rose iron
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are there any builds that dont use killing spree?

fossil lintel
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Oh that is exactly what the top Rik reverb parse is doing

fossil lintel
glass mortar
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any build without kspree is generally 15% or more behind in aoe

stray star
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Ia the assa cleave build better than Outlaw for 18+ keys?

rose iron
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killing spree killing me off cd probably worse than 15 % 😭

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Nah jk thank you though guys

craggy barn
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sin is a bit more flexible comp wise than outlaw tho, but u do have to consider doing spec swap shenanigans in like rookery last boss at least

grim spear
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I dont really care which one is better, outlaw is way more fun.

long barn
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KS then vanish right. Not reverse

grim spear
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yep

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you only press bte during subterfuge

late swallow
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Uhm actually

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You also press it if the bte buff is about to fall off

ripe ibex
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just press it on cd if you are playing trickster

sullen walrus
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i saw zac run in rookery, and when he use rtb first time, cooldown of rtb was so fast , like 10 sec/per sec
what is it??

haughty wigeon
fossil lintel
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He used finishers to make the cooldown shorter

sullen walrus
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he used only ad

fossil lintel
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Do you mean the one he has on youtube? He's definitely using finishers there

sullen walrus
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rookery +20

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last video

fossil lintel
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Yes

sullen walrus
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he used bf in bubble and then use rtb + ad

fossil lintel
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Correct

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And then he did some finishers and got the cd lower

sullen walrus
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bro, what u mean? he didn’t use finishers

torpid fiber
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he cast slice and dice

glass mortar
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hes spamming slice and dice

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i cant believe u actually removed SnD from ur gcd tracker u bug abuser @vivid vessel

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😠

gaunt phoenix
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we know what happens to positive bugs

fossil lintel
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There's no bug in ba sing se

glass mortar
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i mean if u fail to fix this bug 1000 times i assume its just meant to be

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this one barely does anything so

fossil lintel
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Funnily enough when the fixed the infinite coup bug from s1 they actually didn't fix it for SND

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So you could still do it and spam SND forever, it just went away when you did your first dispatch

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This is probably the same bug

glass mortar
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nah its benifiting from supercharger

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without consuming it

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same as ER

fossil lintel
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Yes

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Same as coup bug

glass mortar
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so u can mash it until it dissapears

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since its spending on 4 cp

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doesnt last forever tho

fossil lintel
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Coup does last forever since you got +4 cp, but it was too much work for pre-key fuckery

glass mortar
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not quite as egregious as coup bugs were

fossil lintel
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Let me check if they fixed it

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oh they did fix it

clear zephyr
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New bug?

vivid vessel
vivid vessel
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I don't really like how people focus on these type of things tho

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It's the same with trinkets

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Everyone is so focused on me playing hoc when it's probably not even the correct play

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People focus on the wrong things

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I think imma start playing kezan again

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I have a fixed group now and my tank is already used to me asking him cringe shit with killing spree

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He won't mind a bit more

stuck sparrow
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If you focus on gear you can delude yourself into thinking your shit dps is a gear issue.

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And not a skill one

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Gear is just a very easy thing to blame underperformance on.

vivid vessel
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I play the wrong head enchant aswell

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Maybe I will swap that one tho

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But it looks so scary

fleet knot
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what do you guys run as a greater enchant for M+, gushing wounds or twilight devastation ?

west dirge
cinder haven
vivid vessel
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HE IS

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monksea is a legend i love him

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chillest tank ever

frank finch
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so now u can play with eye?

vivid vessel
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maybe ?

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Thing with eye is that the best eye dungeon

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Is cinder I think

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And it's also the dungeon with the hardest first pack in the game

tulip quarry
cinder haven
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I've had basically max stacks in all of brew, priory and floodgate I think

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it's nice when you are the tank and can make sure they are not lost

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maybe trick the tank into also playing eye

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I forgot to swap eye in workshop once tho

molten oasis
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Hey I assume it’s a sim thing but Special weps from raid worth getting for pure keys?

cinder haven
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very sad

warm parrot
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So what are you guys mostly playin in keys atm!? You switch it up depending on key or!?^

cinder haven
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in terms of trinkets?

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spec? build?

warm parrot
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sry, I was very unclear, I meant build.

cinder haven
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I think most just play either HO or KIR

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whatever they prefer

warm parrot
#

I've been going KIR 1FTH for a while now, just wondering what people prefer

cinder haven
#

I only play KIR 1FTH as well

vale warren
molten oasis
vivid vessel
#

I think it's not even bad

#

I tried it very early in the season and you can actually maintain it between first boss and pack

#

And then the whole dungeon

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If you press it on the lil robots during the maze

cinder haven
#

this was on wheelchair dk but yeah it can probably be done even with slow class

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I didn't game it at all here because I forgot I had it equipped

vivid vessel
#

ye ^^

paper pumice
#

Guys what is your thoughts on floodgate? I have tried that key so many times now and I HATE it as Outlaw, first pull is disgusting, all these mines around is just yikes, loaderbots spinning is also so annoying, any small tips and tricks?

inland acorn
#

Evasion for spins or pray your group has aoe cc to stop them

paper pumice
#

Yeah, do you manage to pump out alot of dmg in the first pull? I am sitting around 10m at max in a +17

ripe ibex
#

idk i like it

#

think its a pretty good outlaw dungeon

weary fog
#

the only gripe i have with flood is everything after swampface

paper pumice
#

really, I have problems with everything before swamp

#

I guess I just need to keep playing it and practice

lyric steeple
#

in mechago should we not press KS unless you have cloak on the first pull? I feel like I keep dying everytime i use KS on the first pull of mechagon

vivid vessel
#

I only press low cp ks

#

On first pull

#

Basically

hot olive
#

just do it!

zenith shore
#

/wa

timid portal
#

what would be the better overall choice myth crowd favorite or myth track trinkets?

red zinc
#

Sim it

fallen knot
#

i beat a retri in darkflame14, we did not have warrior or druid in the comp

#

am i good

paper pumice
#

have you guys changed you spellqueuewindow from default when playing outlaw

heavy shadow
#

need some food to heal in visions, is there a fast one you can just buy off vendor?

stiff glade
#

"giga phys" surely clueless

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hasty bay
#

best vendor is Mage

hasty bay
stiff glade
#

yea he must be

blissful idol
fallen knot
#

the physical god comp is so beautiful

image.png
#

we did ++ on rookery 14

wintry solar
#

A lot of these dungeons are fun if you don't play outlaw

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Like Dawnbreaker

reef forge
shy pecan
#

Generally speaking, vers is still our best secondary even with the 10% secondary DR after we hit 30%, right? (Assuming I am at my haste sweet spot 🙂 )

leaden folio
#

you might sim it

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because i have very low crit, and crit is better

gaunt phoenix
#

Yeah at some point vers and crit approach similar value

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I have 33% vers which is pretty normal i think

leaden folio
#

I have this

gaunt phoenix
#

Yeah you could prob cut some vers for crit

#

or maybe its basically the same result

#

the HO build also likes crit just a lil bit more than KIR i think

#

lower RP uptime and more builder damage, which has extra crit dmg through trickster

shy pecan
#

Yep will sim myself, was just going through some options I currently have and as I am currently on 30% vers I was wondering if there is a easy rule of "after 30% vers vers becomes bad" or sth 😄
Thanks 🙂

leaden folio
#

np , but yea, vers still the best

#

but at some point, take item with crit/vers instead of haste/vers

blissful idol
echo tide
#

Lowkey based

shy pecan
#

coming back to outlaw after 2 months and changing from fb to trickster the dmg is fucking insane

hardy thicket
#

Coup is a nice lil flavour

dreamy pecan
reef forge
#

dawnbreaker is coming back next season right? surely they fix ks by then

sudden fulcrum
#

i hope not

#

i hated that one

reef forge
#

thought the vote was for arakara and dawn to come back

echo tide
weary fog
#

cant wait for this again

fallen knot
#

wait

#

what

vivid vessel
#

cant believe people just voted for the dungeons with good trinkets

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its kinda wild to me

#

people prefer easy dungeons with good gear over fun dungeons

sudden fulcrum
#

why can't we have good dungeons with good items?

strong cargo
#

I guess most people voting are doing keys under +10 so there is lower chances for high keys to be fun 😦

hardy thicket
#

They do it for loot and vault

weary fog
#

the top 4 were like arakara dawn floodgate and priory right

leaden folio
#

doin 8 arakara everyweek

#

weeee

sudden fulcrum
#

that dungeon is awesome

vivid vessel
#

Priory is such a good dungeon

#

That is

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Made bad

#

By terrible design

#

Because blizzard Hates players having fun

sudden fulcrum
#

yeah i think a little cooking and it could be a lot better

vivid vessel
#

What's the thought behind having mobs that shield

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Like

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I need the dev that took this decision

#

To tell me whyw

#

What's the thought process here

sudden fulcrum
#

it's surprising to me that someone playing the class with 100 stops dislikes that

hardy thicket
#

Tf

strong cargo
#

It could be fine if it was a timing, but doing it when it reach 50% is the worst idea ever

sudden fulcrum
#

it's annoying i guess but they also take more damage after you stop it

vivid vessel
#

(players will do 50% less damage Perma unless they spam 1 cc per seconds)

vivid vessel
#

We are probably the spec with the least amount of stops

#

We just have blind

strong cargo
vivid vessel
#

Which is one of the longest AOE cc in the game

#

This ain't pvp cuh

#

What are you gonna do

#

Kidney the shield guy

leaden folio
#

Which is the only skill not target cap of the rogue outlaw

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lmao

vivid vessel
#

(there is 10 in that pack good luck)

covert kestrel
vivid vessel
#

wait you are a warlock player

hardy thicket
#

The 50% condition is whats really making it omegaterrible

vivid vessel
#

the class that spam aoe cc

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perma

hardy thicket
#

You can have like 6 shields chain back to back

shy pecan
blissful idol
shy pecan
#

valid

mighty pivot
#

if the footmen were rare, they would be ok. But they are so many that you cannot just focus/prio them. Then there is the joke of the first pack having 4 of them lol. Either you skip them or you need to fight the first pull with 4 shields

#

it would also be better if it had a cast time before it started channelling

hardy thicket
#

It needs to be on a fixed timer instead of HP % based first of all

vivid vessel
hardy thicket
#

Ye 50% hp they start channeling no?

vivid vessel
#

i didnt know

hardy thicket
#

Or was I misinformed

vivid vessel
#

thats why its so bad with outlaw comps

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they dont phase at the same time

hardy thicket
#

Ye so unless all reach 50% same time its a god damn nightmare

vivid vessel
#

i didnt know they casted once tho

echo tide
vivid vessel
#

they do only once ?

echo tide
#

I think they cast multiple times

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Only once would’ve been fine

hardy thicket
#

Ye but dont they start at 50%

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Then cast multiple

vivid vessel
#

i see

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thats stupid af

hardy thicket
#

I need to check this whats the spell

mighty pivot
#

from checking logs it doesn't seem to be hp based

shy pecan
hardy thicket
#

Then I was lied to my apologies

mighty pivot
#

I am seeing casts happening at 63% or 60%

dreamy anvil
#

What is average overall for outlaw? This was in 16 PoSF

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mighty pivot
#

they don't instantly defend but that's likely that they start with it on cd or something

covert kestrel
#

in reality you can;t really compare overalls due to comp, pulls, etc

hardy thicket
#

How come their casts dont synch then

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Like tf is triggering

covert kestrel
#

so timing the key is the only thing that matters!

echo tide
#

They do sometimes

echo tide
shy pecan
vivid vessel
#

I have cd on nameplates

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if one would want to check a vod of me

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i did priory yesterday

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you should see

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if its on cd on pull

dreamy anvil
vivid vessel
#

5 footman first pack

covert kestrel
vivid vessel
#

8 second pack

#

good dungeon

covert kestrel
#

ask zac about fatebound

vivid vessel
#

fucking footmans

echo tide
#

Just cc them smile

#

Meld and sit in stealth until multiple start casting and then cheap shot them

shy pecan
#

yes just use one of the 100 ccs

echo tide
#

Can also go Tauren and war stomp

shy pecan
#

but thats capped on 5 so you have to position them so only footmen get hit

hardy thicket
#

War stomp also capped tho kek

echo tide
mighty pivot
#

it could still be hp based but it might be showing strangely in the logs. Because there are multiple casts and they all seem to apply the buff only to themselves. This the case for both defend spell ids

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echo tide
#

Their job

vivid vessel
#

you should check a vod

#

not log

#

it should be clear

shy pecan
#

zac farming views on his ytube by telling people to look at one of his vod smh

echo tide
#

Apply crippling poison and single target the footmen so that they are behind the pack when tank pulls everything away so that you can warstomp only the footmen

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Ok I went way too far

vivid vessel
dense bolt
#

Zac been cooking on the thumbnails

mighty pivot
#

I will check the vod for a gifted sub

dense bolt
hardy thicket
#

Im checking ur 20 yday but on phone

#

Hard to tell

shy pecan
#

sooo

#

first footman casts it after reaching 50%

vivid vessel
shy pecan
#

looks like 50%

vivid vessel
#

Took 5 min

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Canvas is op

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(not sponsored)

hardy thicket
#

Looks like all of them starts triggering after 50 ye but iuno

shy pecan
#

others follow after being below 50%. Casts can delay due to stuns etc

red zinc
#

massive cook

fallen knot
#

multiple instances of canva

hardy thicket
#

And theres no cd timer on their plates

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From your UI

echo tide
#

Just go into a m0, pull a footman and test

hardy thicket
#

Someone who isnt at work do it lel

shy pecan
#

omw

echo tide
#

Just use your steam deck 4Head

dense bolt
late swallow
#

not using a dance dance revolution foot pad for m+
are you even playing the game?

vivid vessel
#

op thing ngl

#

and its free !

red zinc
#

ur such a white girl

vivid vessel
#

(not sponsored)

#

Yep true

#

I make everything with canva

cedar kernel
red zinc
#

its pretty good ye

late swallow
dense bolt
echo tide
late swallow
#

interesting

echo tide
#

Shit game, can’t recommend

vivid vessel
#

So here I press pistol shot cause I had an opportunity proc

shy pecan
#

xd

vivid vessel
#

Had to be fast cause I was in ADR so I had a 0.8s GCD

shy pecan
#

play video on 0.25 and comment on every global

vivid vessel
shy pecan
#

soo

#

defenders cast at 50%

#

and then 30 sec cd

vivid vessel
#

okok

echo tide
#

Make sure to have a PowerPoint slide for every global as well

shy pecan
#

if not below 50%

#

never casterino

echo tide
#

With graphs and stuff

echo tide
shy pecan
#

i sit in the first pack with my bdk and hop around

late swallow
vivid vessel
#

I mean one thing i could do is add some texts for little tips and tricks during the dungeon maybe

#

but i wont do that

shy pecan
#

on every pack that pulls >8 targets you have to mention that life feels bad as capped class

mighty pivot
#

ye the nameplates only start the 30s cd after they first cast it too. They just made the spell weird in the logs

echo tide
#

Interesting

shy pecan
#

i focused one and the others were just dropping slowly with plague dot. Guy at 50% casts and then after 30 sec while other 3 didnt do anything

stiff isle
vivid vessel
#

who is kyrios

shy pecan
#

rookery first

#

target dummy that beyblades

#

just dont ks while beam or you get send to the shadow realm

late swallow
#

first boss rook is a banger

#

sectech doesn't even hit when he's in the middle

shy pecan
#

sparekeys

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also misses

#

while beamerino

random stirrup
shy pecan
#

it jus falls down the hole

random stirrup
#

eleem was talking about it iirc

late swallow
#

that would be based

mighty pivot
#

target dummy that doesn't let you use your spells Catnod

late swallow
#

you don't even see the combat damage

#

straight up

echo tide
hardy thicket
#

But it made sense. Their casts were too random to be anything else

#

Prolly just less noticeable in the meta comps cuz they just full send aoe blast everything

shy pecan
#

i think most meta groups also dont pull a lot of them

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or none at all

hardy thicket
#

Well no cuz the pack sucks

shy pecan
#

for example the 4 guys up the stairs on the right and the 3 guys below left stairs dont get pulled by most i think

hardy thicket
#

We did the caster skip pull on a resilient 8 times and got instance locked this weekend kek

sullen walrus
#

Best raid outlaw build for raid?

hardy thicket
#

Went back to footman after that but the pack lived forever

gaunt phoenix
#

HO should be slightly favored

#

Kir fatebound for sprocket

shy pecan
latent oak
# vivid vessel but i wont do that

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bottom left text opop

lime lake
#

god i love pvp uis

late swallow
#

rip the goat I hope his recovery is going well

vivid vessel
#

HOLY

#

ITS JAMES PC

latent oak
#

i heard the doctors are taking him out of the medically induced coma soon

#

just a question of if he is up to outlaw after his recovery period

late swallow
#

playing current-design UHDK for an entire tier will wreck a mf's mental

torpid fiber
shy pecan
#

james is goated

reef forge
#

do you guys have a specific WA for magnet trink for the stacks?

magic shuttle
#

I just use the weak aura that shows all trinket cds

#

It also displays magnet stacks

reef forge
#

it does? will have a quick try i guess

#

i must have peasant wa's mine doesn't work

proven ocean
#

maybe i do the same to ragebait people

latent oak
red zinc
#

truly the martin luther king of our time

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vivid vessel
#

he isnt wrong tho

#

games is so fun but you cant play it

#

compared to league

#

game is shit but i can queue games on cd

red zinc
#

yeah but he thinks he is an actual activist

#

im dming with him

#

funny as hell

#

hes standing up for whats right Clueless

random stirrup
#

poor guy just wants to play the game

#

i sympathize

red zinc
#

also @vivid vessel why tf can you evasion the dot application on first boss meadery

#

why did i not know this

#

and why is it even possible

rapid ore
#

fr?

#

big

stiff isle
#

Do u have to pre evasion before its in air?

red zinc
#

naw

#

before it hits you

stiff isle
#

Oh then u can actually react

rapid ore
#

now i only have to make my tank understand not to tank by the smoke

dark fractal
#

it's good yea

stiff isle
#

Every time i invite outlaw they gap the other dps by 1mil

vivid vessel
#

but its a very cool trick

red zinc
#

i mean law doesnt scale half as well as other classes

#

plus the lower key bracket is not really fair competition

#

but outlaw crankin

vivid vessel
#

outlaw is top 5 dps in the game rn

#

imo

late swallow
vivid vessel
#

udhk/balance > arcane but no overall > feral / sin / outlaw

late swallow
vivid vessel
#

MM maybe aswell

late swallow
vivid vessel
#

oh and both shaman specs

#

ok tbf

rapid ore
red zinc
vivid vessel
#

a lot of specs do damage rn actually

red zinc
#

he ran into minecart twice on first boss dfc

late swallow
red zinc
#

ye

late swallow
#

new cart soak strat?

red zinc
#

was his key and i called him a bot

#

toxic relapse

#

my fault

dark fractal
#

gg toxic

late swallow
#

you in comms for keys timothy?

red zinc
#

no

dark fractal
#

lashga get out of this body

red zinc
#

comms makes you play worse

shy pecan
#

xd

red zinc
#

unless you're doing like 21s

#

genuinely

#

comms make keys harder

#

phys comp for 19 (and maybe even 20) literally just brute forces keys and requires minimal coordination

dark fractal
#

no dead=gg

vivid vessel
#

udhk/balance >
arcane but no overall >
feral / sin / outlaw / elem / enhance / MM (Bansher only) >
ret / WL / arms / drake

#

this is my tier list

#

thoughts?

dark fractal
#

bnansher only

#

kekw

red zinc
#

yaze also good

dark fractal
#

fact

red zinc
#

idk what happened to him

#

was in one of my keys one time

shy pecan
#

ret underrated

red zinc
#

eh

shy pecan
#

master padder

dark fractal
#

well atleast they get into keys

late swallow
#

ret is legit just giga pad

red zinc
#

outlaw also gets into keys

dark fractal
#

yy

#

if you are 3k8

#

or tipping

vivid vessel
late swallow
#

zac how much do you tip to get into keys?

fallen knot
#

outlaw is giga pad aswell, but we at least have to put in the work

red zinc
#

i mean not really

#

like

#

up till 18 and even a few 19s

#

i have only applied to pug keys and tipped 0 times

#

EU is completely fine

#

NA is cooked

dark fractal
#

i talk for 19+

vivid vessel
dark fractal
#

18 y its fine

vivid vessel
#

200 k I think

dark fractal
#

in phys

fallen knot
#

why didnt you give me half of that

#

and i would have easily brought you

late swallow
#

that's not too bad for a weekly vault on an alt

red zinc
#

zac whats your take on resi now though

#

after the tip plague has spread

late swallow
#

you can make so much gold from boosting these days it's crazy

red zinc
#

still a pro-resi gamer?

fallen knot
stiff isle
vivid vessel
#

I want 4 k io this season but I don't think it's possible

shy pecan
#

you just have to believe in the power of friendship

dark fractal
#

well

vivid vessel
#

I think 4k io is all 21 and a few 22

late swallow
# fallen knot always

even before resil, I made like 2ish mill from boosting weekly keys the last few weeks of season 1

keen belfry
#

@vivid vessel is the only tech on orb boss ToP to make sure you dont land back in an orb?

red zinc
keen belfry
#

like, do you just run around the boss with the orbs when you KS

#

ok

vivid vessel
#

And feint let you not get one shot

#

If stagger bug

#

I looked

#

And you survive in 21

#

So

#

Should be safe

dark fractal
#

yo utick at 8-9% usually

vivid vessel
#

Ask healer to top you also

dark fractal
#

if you get orb

#

iirc

vivid vessel
#

I told him

late swallow
vivid vessel
#

If you don't top me

#

I die

late swallow
#

this dude is like 30 points under 4k

vivid vessel
#

Yeee

late swallow
#

missing 3 21s

vivid vessel
#

I knoww

late swallow
#

all 21s gotta put him at like just under 4k

vivid vessel
#

All 21 maybe enough

dark fractal
#

well 4k rio is dope tho

shy pecan
#

all 21

#

is over 4k

vivid vessel
#

With good timers

dark fractal
#

4000 score

#

gigachad

vivid vessel
#

But all 21 is impossible maybe for our comp idk

shy pecan
#

if you have some good times

vivid vessel
#

I think we can do 21 top and 21 brew

#

Priory maybe ?

late swallow
#

maybe if they buff the belt more

vivid vessel
#

Rook seeems impossible

fallen knot
#

problem of priory is oneshots no?

vivid vessel
#

Ws actually

keen belfry
#

i had this yesterday and it tilted me cuz we missed timer by 3 seconds (we had 9 deaths)

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vivid vessel
fallen knot
#

and double rogue should deal with that

vivid vessel
#

Timer also tight

fallen knot
#

easily

vivid vessel
keen belfry
#

yeah

vivid vessel
#

You land in one

stiff isle
#

Cleft 22 tho

shy pecan
#

what is the wa that has the plus on your character?

vivid vessel
#

You should preposition

vivid vessel
late swallow
#

holy zac your roullette wheel is giga

keen belfry
#

2seconds aint that long for orb travel i just need to be on opposite side or to the left of one in my orbit

stiff isle
#

Could ml 22 maybe

vivid vessel
#

like i think our comp can time all the keys this guy did

#

but thats still not 4k so

fallen knot
#

if not sure about dying or not, just send a 1cp ks

keen belfry
#

im not used to 19s/20s, a bad KS will just kill me in these. i could eat that orb in a 17

vivid vessel
covert kestrel