outlaw

[torpid fiber]

Specifically to prevent this use case

I haven't tested it specifically myself so I don't know if it does nothing or just always tries to cast the first thing but I know you can't make a cd-aware macro

[sick monolith]

Yeah I just tried it, macro works as basically only bte. Huh I never knew that

[fallen knot]

ye for multiple abilites that share gcd you can do "stance" macros, but otherwise you cant macro them together, only in castsequences, but i would not recommend them

even though i used castsequences when i played sub for a week or during df s3

[fast axle]

Castequences did not work to

ia try it

for bte and dispatch

idk why

[fallen knot]

they work

but

it's really not worth

[hollow temple]

you can't specify a cast sequence macro to only use 1 ability when the other is on CD either

[fallen knot]

or at least i think they should work

nono

like

[hollow temple]

it will just try to use the 2 abilities in order

[fallen knot]

castsequence bte, dispatch

[sick monolith]

I mean the awnser is def just being more aware of your cooldowns and combo points, but

[fallen knot]

but then it returns on bte and stays on bte

the only sneaky thing you can do is in HO bind sinister strike in stealth stance instead of dispatch, cause you never want to hit dispatch in subterfuge windows

[late swallow]

super nice of zac to boost zeross through this +20 meadery

[lime lake]

zac is such a good friend to zeross

wow

[old gull]

anyone 8mask alleria without the cheat death? im having a rough time

[nocturne folio]

meadery is a good pug key

infinite bee challenge boss

[sudden fulcrum]

mmm rice

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/rice-basmati-best-rice-behsad-real-basmati-gif-15608864

[radiant marlin]

A few questions:
So I'm just getting into Rogue in general, and am mostly interested in Outlaw. When I'm looking at the top Rogue players on Raider.io, none of them seem to be running Fatebound, which has a more interesting playstyle IMO. Is Trickster really just that much better? (What about for beginners?)
That aside, on the Fatebound tree, Inevitable End looks like the way to go to me, but I know that means I can't pop Cold Blood into Between the Eyes for the 4x damage anymore. If I do play Fatebound anyway, it looks like I would still take that, because I can stack a lucky coin almost right away with all my cooldowns. (Double Jeopardy out of stealth 2 > Adren Rush 3> Cold Blood > Ambush 5> Ambush 7.) Assuming I'm playing with friends, I could keep the lucky coin up with chain pulls.

[nocturne folio]

fatebound bad
20% dps debuff vs trickster

[random stirrup]

fatebound doesn't really have rotational changes, it's not worth to play cold blood to guarantee the capstone you just gamba

[late swallow]

Fatebound is omega behind trickster in AOE -- around 10/11% iirc. Interestingly, Fatebound is the tree with way less gameplay than Trickster, since you're basically just praying for coin procs. There's one fight this tier where FB is the move (Sprocket), and that's only because you can't really press KS safely

[random stirrup]

trickster has a very fun loop if you just close your eyes and pretend the killing spree can't hurt you

[late swallow]

yeah there's more decisions to make/priorities to manage as trickster

since you're also pressing coup + KS

FB is kinda just afk gamba mode

[red zinc]

soridormi might be the dumbest bitch ever conceived

[craggy barn]

lol

[sudden fulcrum]

soridormi is bait

[red zinc]

trying to pull a boss "nah im pulling packs you dumb fuck nice attempt at a run

[sudden fulcrum]

hilarious troll by blizzard

[craggy barn]

why even use her

[red zinc]

because my vanish and cloak are resetting last boss

idek why cloak is doing it

[sudden fulcrum]

you know she scales up the party and actually makes it harder right?

[red zinc]

but i cant play like this

of course i know

[craggy barn]

just play sin for last boss

[lime lake]

blizzard saw everyone complaining about brann and decided to make something worse

to draw the heat off him

[red zinc]

why does this bitch have her own pathing?

like shes pulling packs that arent even the objective

[lime lake]

now when everyone is running delves next patch for the belt people can say "hey at least its not soridormi"

[fallow hinge]

why doesn't she stealth like Brann does

[craggy barn]

shes a fat dragon

she cant be stealthy

[sudden fulcrum]

why would you use soridormi if you know she makes it harder? is this some kind of challenge run?

[late swallow]

AYE, THAT WAS A CLOSE ONE

[red zinc]

can you read

[lime lake]

THOSE WEBS WILL SUMMON NERUBIANS

[fallow hinge]

rather that than the nerubians that summon webs

[violet ferry]

DONT STAND THEEERE

[clear badge]

Hey, it seems that i didnt understand well the concept of RtB and KiR. I got 5 buffs with RtB, i extended with KiR and it all became yellow that it's supposed to be kept when rerolling but when i reroll i got 2 other rolls with less duration ><. Am i missing something important ?

[vivid vessel]

buffs dont go away if they are higher duration than normal rtb

but

you can still roll on top of them

[clear badge]

So why did it become 37sec of duration instead of keeping the 47 sec ?

[vivid vessel]

^

you overrode them

you wont lose them

you can roll over them

tho

[clear badge]

oh ok

So when i'm in this position i wait until 10sec or less and reroll ?

[vivid vessel]

why 10s

no well we also reroll because of supercharger

so you wait till buffs are right above 39s

and you will get other 39s buffs

prolly not win any buff

but you get supercharger

[clear badge]

Ok i understand more ! So supercharge is more important than keeping 5 buffs longer ?

[vivid vessel]

by doing that

you arent losing

any buffs tho

[clear badge]

Yes but after ? i'll continue and get RtB up in some sec. Here i wait till 10s or i reroll and risk to lose 5 buffs for supercharge ?

[vivid vessel]

in that case since you rerolled right before 39s

you are keeping the yellow buffs

and are adding a few red buffs

now the question is

should i reroll again

[craggy barn]

5buff > supercharger isnt it

[vivid vessel]

and the answer depends on how many red buffs you have (which would be lost)

if its one red buff you can reroll again

and then after that reroll all your buffs will be under rtb timer now

so you wont keep them another time

but most likely you reroll only once after kir

thats the most common that can happen

[clear badge]

Ok ! thank you for the clarification!

[craggy barn]

hey zac how was mugzee on farm as ol

[vivid vessel]

we stop dps for about a full minute

miserable

[craggy barn]

oof

son it is

sin

we killed oab, so npw we on mugzee prog

78 oab pulls

our prog these last few bosses have been scuffed due to vacation plans

lol

[ruby mauve]

nvm

im dumb

[craggy barn]

lol

[remote pecan]

Wait what? Are you doing 2nd gaols or are you guys having to hold even earlier than that?

[vivid vessel]

we do

2 goals > hold till frontal

We basically stop DPS before the second goal pop

And wait till frontal

For the adds debuff

It's very cringe

[frank finch]

wh yare uguys waiting

[remote pecan]

Push before the 2nd gaols

[vivid vessel]

I don't even know

[frank finch]

my raid just pushes it

[remote pecan]

Wave still doing prog strats

[vivid vessel]

We weren't even doing that in prog

But ye

I hate

Doing DPS stops

5 months into reclear

It's so stupid

And lazy

[lime lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl3DgJ7e5Gg

[remote pecan]

I just told my guild to stop with this dps hold nonsense and were actually progging mug now not farming.

[haughty moat]

our tank just called the dps stop 0.3% early because of me, worked fine

[remote pecan]

Whenever my rl calls a dps stop I get temporary hearing difficulties, it's very weird

[haughty moat]

yeye

just get them used to it

[rapid ore]

me when i want to do damage but have to stop damage

[cinder summit]

on the first boss of rookery

can you KS there and not get hit by lasers ?

[craggy barn]

no

[rotund zodiac]

no

[craggy barn]

only if u have cloak

[rotund zodiac]

I'm trying to get my last 15, still don't get invited to keys

[cinder summit]

rly

i saw

zac do it once

[gaunt phoenix]

u need cloak

[cinder summit]

ok he prob did with cloak then and i didnt see

[rotund zodiac]

or he's just lucky

[craggy barn]

0 luck

u always get hit if lasers are going on

[gaunt phoenix]

naw the laser hitboxes are too big you get clipped by them all

[craggy barn]

it goes through the middle, where ks puts u

so u cant avoid

[rotund zodiac]

what a shitty ability we have

[craggy barn]

if u just wanted to send it, u can get dispelled, but u only get 1 ks hit in

[cinder summit]

im not risking it, my ass is just going assa in my 18 rook

[proven ocean]

guys i think zac is bringing new excuses now

[vivid vessel]

[cinder summit]

zac are you evil wox ?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u think they time with sub rogue?

[vivid vessel]

depedns

is it lashga

or the russian guy

[late swallow]

lashga the goat!

[frail veldt]

Double dk is interesting

Guess it's nice on priory

[red zinc]

Lashga been queueing a 18 flood for the last 2 days

mf dropped homophobic comments and then cant time an 18

cursed

[warm remnant]

is there any sims out for new belt?

[red zinc]

that thing isnt out for another 2 weeks what do you need it for

[warm remnant]

can a brother be curious or what

[red zinc]

No point anyway cause itll be buffed last minute

[warm remnant]

so do u have a answer or did you just want to be rude?

[red zinc]

yeah pretty much

[warm remnant]

fair

[red zinc]

theres sims front of wowhead, rogue ones aint run yet but there isnt really much point to

itll probably be slightly stronger on outlaw than other classes as the crit/damage procs are the higher tuned ones

worse at 684 1.4% at max ilvl prob

[west ridge]

what ios the command for pre key shenans

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[worldly shale]

hero capo > myth crowd fav offhand? 😮

[next wedge]

feels good to see zac get hit by bonk after 1st DFC boss

bc i always do too with KS

[warm adder]

why kliing spreee killing me sometimes?

[next wedge]

bc it's a bad spell

[worldly shale]

its in the name

[next wedge]

if u get hit by something while using it you take the dmg after you're done with the animation

[west dirge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[craggy barn]

prob not

its never simmed better for me

[red zinc]

for bosses it is

[glass mortar]

Ye it should be better on st

[thorny plume]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fallen knot]

what the fuck is dastardly duos

[craggy barn]

the new time gated event

they released this patch

[fallen knot]

ok

can i get everything facerolling it with a tank?

[red zinc]

nothing to get tbh

[fallen knot]

mounts, cool transmog

[next wedge]

wait a sec guys

if we all submit suggestion tickets in game about KS they HAVE to fix it

right

[craggy barn]

[fallen knot]

keep dreaming my boy

or girl

*my fellow outlaw, thats better

[mighty pivot]

sorry they only make changes after a petition with 5k signs and there aren't that many outlaws

[obsidian walrus]

is my ST dmg suppose to be meh

im struggling in ST

[fallen knot]

if you lowroll yes

[dawn tundra]

So, question: I'm not doing Mythic LoU, but I already have Capo's Molten Knuckles and Gallywix's Iron Thumb, as well as Geargrinder's Spare Keys. Do I get Zee's Thug Hotline or something else from the Dinar Vendor?

[gaunt phoenix]

prob shouldnt say that

The last thing ppl should blame on their dps is rng

[frank finch]

unless u play fb

[fallen knot]

you're right

[gaunt phoenix]

it does happen but you are struggling with st then it is likely rotation issues

[fallen knot]

if you play badly yes, micro rotation errors add up and lower your st a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

you should do +12 keys and buy mythic dungeon trinkets

M wax whistle and M pacemaker

[dawn tundra]

But what if I don't wanna do 12s? What if I'm happy with mostly Hero Tier gear (Only piece that isn't hero is a necklace.) .

[gaunt phoenix]

then you pretty much have nothing to buy

the only other trinket you can consider is Magnet

Zee's thug hotline is not worth it, it is the same as magnet on ST and worse in keys

[dawn tundra]

Ah... Cheers then. Thanks for the advice.

[cobalt ridge]

Hey, new to outlaw <-- Is there any downside doing daggers in off hand?

[honest sparrow]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[honest sparrow]

There is the downside that you can tmog dagger only as a dagger but beside that there is none.

[covert kestrel]

Dw he's got the bank roll ready for title push at end of season

[neat heart]

bros im a pvper trying outlaw - is there any addons that would help me you think?

im strulling with RTB i think, unsure when to reroll

[midnight granite]

Title is gonna be so inflated it's a joke lol

[obsidian walrus]

i have the feeling that my between the eyes dmg is so low

some pointers how to correctly use vanish

and between the eyes

[gaunt phoenix]

Bte is a finisher so it used at the right combo points (depends on build)

Outside of stealth it is lower priority than ks and coup

Inside stealth it is the only finisher you use

Vanish is used asap when adrenaline rush is active

To enter a stealth window to keep adrenaline rush active

You use vanish at the right combo points to immediately bte

However ks and coup have higher priority than vanish

Unless you must immediately vanish to not lose adrenaline

If you are playing well you have >90% adrenaline rush uptime

You also try not to vanish if killing spree cooldown is under 20s or so

[covert kestrel]

Most stable boost buyer

[gaunt phoenix]

So you dont lose a lot of cdr on ks

Unless, again, sometimes you absolutely must vanish

[vivid vessel]

this guy

[broken yoke]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[latent panther]

Do you folks know of any helpful addons to help improve gcd usage? Or to be at least aware of when you miss them, especially when AR is up

[tall radish]

when AR is up?

[latent panther]

Yeah your GCD is reduced when AR is up, was hoping their exists something that takes that into account

I've tried the water torture one, but it doesn't account for that

[shell lava]

does anyone know how to permanently turn off "show resources on target" in plater? it keeps resetting when i load back in. i tried to find an option in AdvancedInterfaceOptions but cant seem to find the right one

[stuck patrol]

If we have high flawless form stacks from coup, do we send vanish instead of KS?

Or is KS damage in flawless just that good?

[red zinc]

more about the guaranteed unseen blade procs than the damage afaik

[gaunt phoenix]

you ks

[stuck patrol]

Damn been playing wrong for awhile

No wonder my BTE damage is giga high LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks indirectly gives 3 flawless florm stacks on its own

also they last 12 seconds

even if you ks first there is still overlap on average

[stuck patrol]

Makes sense, thanks

Oh, how much damage is it worth holding vanish for a little while till after coup (assuming you don't lose adr)?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont have guaranteed unseen blade procs then it's not really a written thing to attempt to hold vanish in case you get a reset in the next x seconds

[stuck patrol]

LMAO I've really been playing outlaw with a meme rotation for awhile

Basically been playing around getting flawless from coup and then pumping it into crackshot

[quaint sable]

Our rotation is all about building/spending as much cp as possible to benefit for restless blades

not really about making our individdual buttons do big dmg

[red zinc]

wat

[gaunt phoenix]

just saying you dont go out of your way to sync vanish and coup every time

[proven ocean]

[covert kestrel]

The WHAT

[lime lake]

well yeah

how else do you learn outlaw

without a little water torture

zac spent an extended period of time at gitmo in order to become r1 outlaw

[shy pecan]

Hey guys I havent rly played outlaw since 3-4 months, did only play fatebound before. Is there a linked message or can someone give me a bullet list of things I need to be aware of when playing Trickster compared to Fatebound 😅

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw-faq has got u

[brave grove]

I'm attempting to use wow analyzer for my runs how accurate is it looking at my damage profile?

[valid kindle]

sanest sub main

[covert kestrel]

With HO I hear it's decent now but not for KiR and def not for 1fth

[jolly geyser]

dont drink and m+, I did 1 dungeon with portal trinket from mop

also st spec

[hoary lichen]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[uncut oak]

how can i close pistol shot proc image?

[neat heart]

Bros I finally downloaded weak auras to track rtb

Are they no shit just getting rid of this soon lol

[slim fern]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[hollow temple]

No

[neat heart]

Thank god

We are so back

[tender wedge]

feels really under-reported with all this business that its likely years away from happening

[gloomy pasture]

why i see a lot of top outlaw players use Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel? what so special about that weapon?

[cinder relic]

Does a lot of aoe damage

Then u weapon swap for st

[gloomy pasture]

so you sawp from aoe to singel each attack at mid doungen?

dungeon*

[covert kestrel]

Just for bosses really

[lime lake]

i sawp for no man

[gloomy pasture]

and when there like 2+ Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel only bosses not? ok... thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

You dont use 2x cudgel

1. Cudgel is good because Vanish resets the proc, but this only works on trash

2. you use a macro to swap offhand back to capo/684/681 for bosses

[gloomy pasture]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. what i was trying to say, , throughout the entire dungeon, to use this, and only replace it when i fight boss?

[gloomy pasture]

GOT IT

thanks

[sullen walrus]

Hello everybody!

can someone help me? how to track my abilities? like snd , ad bf

like on this screen

[gaunt phoenix]

it looks like the default blizzard thing, though it used to not have the numbers, i havent used it in many years to know if it has numbers like that

[covert kestrel]

WeakAuras from this discord are used by the majority to track these things

[sullen walrus]

how to turn on this thing?

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[sullen walrus]

which aura??

[covert kestrel]

The top four are all packs that track everything, try them out and decide which you like best

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think the buffs there are weakauras, although most people do use weakauras

instead of trying to make the blizzard thing work

[sullen walrus]

how i can turn on this blizzard thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont know

google personal resource display

[neat heart]

youtubers are being doomers about WA

[sullen walrus]

but im turn on personal resource display , and this thing track my rtb buffs

can i turn off this?

[sullen wyvern]

uhhh I never pay attention to flawless form since it just happens with the rotation, should I align something in specific with it @gaunt phoenix like vanish windows or something like that

[gaunt phoenix]

no you dont track it

[sullen wyvern]

aight thanks

[gloomy pasture]

what is best items to buy with the dinars? i can only buy heroic

[gaunt phoenix]

mainly capo's molten knuckles

[gloomy pasture]

really even on heroic

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it should beat a mythic offhand

[gloomy pasture]

Okay, thanks, I'll buy it. but just to be clear and see if I understood what you're saying and what I read correctly

Offhand: Capo's Molten Knuckles
mainhand: Gallywix's Iron Thumb (or forged item if you don't have)
and when you on aoe you switch Gallywix's Iron Thumb with
Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel

[sudden fulcrum]

Why is the cudgel good enough to use?

[gaunt phoenix]

no, main hand is 681 crafted or some 684 mythic item

offhand is cudgel on trash, capo on bosses

[gaunt phoenix]

Vanish resets the proc and we vanish like every 17 seconds

[sudden fulcrum]

That’s crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

but this doesnt work on bosses

[gloomy pasture]

I got it! It confused me because I saw a lot of players' gear and I saw a lot of them using a capo and a cudgel together.

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have mythic capo then it is just your mainhand

but you are talking about a heroic one

[gloomy pasture]

ok, Thanks for the help.

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix @vivid vessel

[gaunt phoenix]

:cuh:

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[proven ocean]

u left the cuh gang

[gaunt phoenix]

i stole it

but when i copy yours it fails

[lime lake]

shouldnt have been a thief

[vale warren]

where do you think you are bro

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/not-relevant-chris-pine-dungeons-and-dragons-honor-among-thieves-gif-26290109

[late swallow]

[red zinc]

🚍

yall ever just 💺

[late swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278674686464753788/1288190516139393145/watermark.gif

[proven ocean]

cuz its diferent name

[strong cargo]

Oh wait I just realised I still have the habit to use BTE before vanishing if it's up as HO, is it a dps loss ?

[molten topaz]

anyone got an easy macro to switch between my capos and cudgel? Nevermind, it's in the pin, I'm blind

[cinder relic]

Pins

[vale warren]

you use bte on cd unless youre playing fatebound

unless coup/ks are up

#1276308344813916261 message

[frail veldt]

Technically yeah

You shouldn't delay vanish for bte

Since ho is already very tight with vanishing while KS CD > 30s

[feral knoll]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[restive charm]

do i trust the robot and craft engi bracers? and if yes what do i socket in it?^^

[quaint sable]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[pliant wind]

playable ma shat

trying things haha

ToP 16

MGauche dealing nearly same dmg as BtE

going like this

[wintry solar]

MA?

[pliant wind]

ye

[wintry solar]

Wus dat

[pliant wind]

haha

[wintry solar]

Mastery?

[pliant wind]

yep

[wintry solar]

Das wild

[pliant wind]

its cool

even if u fak up your rotation a little

main gauche is dealing same dmg as bte

[wintry solar]

How hard does an MG proc hit with your mastery?

[pliant wind]

no the same but close

274k

with evasions i got free proc too

[wintry solar]

Evasion offensive cooldown???

[pliant wind]

yeah hahaha

[wintry solar]

Coming to a wow near you?????

[pliant wind]

every aoe or proyectile, if its physical i proc a main gauche

just trying mastery outlaw but i was surprised tbh

[late swallow]

Ryukage is back

[glass mortar]

doesnt matter none of them r good

put what u wanna for flavor

[pliant wind]

ah and with sham buff, main gauche procs much more

[glass mortar]

mastery is proc damage not proc rate

the rate is flat

[restive charm]

what are the options? i only found 1 that replaces heal pots and one for pvp

[glass mortar]

but the off hand attacks do slightly increase the attack procs

unfort that its oh attacks because they have a miss chance

idk theres like a invis, and some other flavor ones

[pliant wind]

main gauche cant miss

[glass mortar]

i dont think any of them r worth using aside from memes in the open world

[pliant wind]

melee does yeah

[wintry solar]

Yo mama

[glass mortar]

even the hp pot one is worse then normal hp pots, it doesnt scale with ur hp pot talent

[restive charm]

should i even craft them in that case? or just go with regular vers/crit eventho simming a bit lower?

[wintry solar]

Let's see if this one is as corrupted

[glass mortar]

i mean the craft value is it all having one stat

the tinker is irrelevantr

[wintry solar]

Luckily it's much more sound than a Ryu build

[glass mortar]

its just annoying cause u cant embellish them

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-nooo-pleasegodno-the-office-angry-gif-12174751

[wintry solar]

@pliant wind can I expect funny builds from you?

[pliant wind]

yeah

:o

[wintry solar]

Sweet

I love off meta builds

[pliant wind]

but dont expect +90 key%

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CFX8j1DKpWZngJaR?fight=last&type=damage-done
this is the run

[wintry solar]

I expect entertainment. Not viability.

[pliant wind]

alright :p

[wintry solar]

I play HO without Ace in keys

[pliant wind]

i fked up my adrenaline 2 times because was trying to evade with evasion the slash of gorechop, didnt remember we cant

[wintry solar]

Put that talent into pc

Blastin

[pliant wind]

i change gs for cto

[unkempt cypress]

hows 2 fth kir build?

lack st or something?

siomd 2% less than GS

[wintry solar]

In aoe yeah. Gotta sacrifice some ST for aoe

2 fth is fun

[unkempt cypress]

gotcha ty

kir is more fun than ho but i dont like gs

[wintry solar]

Dropping GS for PC is more fun to me these days. A lot more liberating in the sense you're not locked to the target with the debuff

[pliant wind]

gotta try KiR with my mastery build

but i dont think it would work

[wintry solar]

In general they're neutral to me but I'm favoring HO because I love RtB spam

[pliant wind]

i have 15% haste with HO haha

[wintry solar]

I got 20% with ho

[pliant wind]

as it should be yeah

[wintry solar]

Unfortunate

It's what simmed the best

So

[unkempt cypress]

HO was doing well for me but i just got cucked not getting any 5 rolls, wanted a more consistent build

[craggy barn]

m mugzee is pretty fun

[wintry solar]

[wintry solar]

I pray for a vers crit piece

There's a vault I still haven't checked

[covert kestrel]

Ryu is back

[wintry solar]

This one is grounded in reality as well

[late swallow]

Ryu is like the dalai lama

He reincarnates

[wintry solar]

Does Outlaw Mallet get updated?

Surely right

[round dragon]

So when you vanish a hobogoblin charge, it just locks his charge wherever it is? lol I just bricked a 16 brew because of it

[errant arrow]

you can just evasion the charge, it passes right through you with no damage

but ya, vanish is hilarious with them

[round dragon]

how have I not noticed this until now? lol. I just got unlucky and popped it at the same time and he charged to another pack and pulled it lmao

[glass mortar]

alright resil 14s done

time for 15s

[gaunt phoenix]

ya the bracers are good, i made them. i didnt put a tinker thing tho, dont think it matters

[copper radish]

so whats good with this belt next patch

does it have some power ability on it

[wintry solar]

Technically. From what I've read, the power is very underwhelming

[errant arrow]

just wait until they buff it at the last minute by 200%

[proven ocean]

Bro

Stop

We’ve had enough with cooked shit

[wintry solar]

Don't stop

Be free

https://tenor.com/view/stantwt-chained-up-chained-gif-67266779391248431

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/psychic-third-eye-enlightenment-telepathy-gif-22477198

[brisk canopy]

Ryu lives on in spirit

[lusty sparrow]

Ive gotten it.. Pogtonium..

[wary sandal]

does anyone have a tricks weakaura that lets me know when its not applied?

[olive crypt]

just make one, use the default trigger "aura-player-buff" name it, scroll down and change "show on aura missing", also change the "load", click twice in "Group Type - and select party and raid"

can anyone tell me what Raidbots "fight style" i should use for outlaw M+?

[molten topaz]

I use Dungeon Slice personally

for M+

[olive crypt]

ty, i used to use hectic add cleave, then changed to dungeon slice, and lately been struggling between both

[strong cargo]

!WA:2!Lr1tVnoru8KMfwKvfDB0s1I0EIdOsbv2grR2Eb160ukO02iBZYYP4XEEXZS1zgVZmUnDVGuoX5EHROCfehYbeCdLdCHlwrR4dqrIpa9dalVXjzxTGpypV373mZV3F(5QhwVFDAD63U(iESu4lZvXW9RmMqFsU2a0Jjdw6vgCXsQlpTxpnyo63o5UFxLB(1)CmreZKQosUWe1S1jbT8MglLPu5fc)l4zq4KfMTOjatrInCPqVJN2qughxUGBCI6HF0mNHgfpjbu63(9vZx(ZUMlZapsUI0yI9Todst5u9gEBV7onEOARgn(KhS7dN2NyIzG2NjV4uXuD5NJ5AnxK4bNdi9ociPg2168Os7okOhFGNFNwTBpS8u)CQ25LH9Z7HHh3T5((bD9d23l4MCn0AaMa(Zah6ji9bTJBoMdrzPKlb1ikeHBma5S6OwT7C4x2(QCX8CXjBvB6FoemZ(yjf(Xk3GLoqjiPpctCS28dxNPKjkqRN1p24(vw6kIGJjigDNcNdlwXvifWeGObFJcejg2TNsXIJfrxBbtPbSHs1dTySSPyD3(eUa3BX6fFWTl2O4dl(iC5Y)xpygOjg7zbSryXWdsSnSnwRyLPOzej(SeLmxq)7PjPYloubpnheXx25wpyZgBxSIcbzdmX(6G5CQ2qRLLhED4dG0rwZ2Le)DgBx)1ZMRQEL1OPmvQ(IA4ZeSK)zl8Wkr(45iDTgHL49JjPqTs6eW4XNjWAxTYiT546vlVnxPIckwed4jmZr7T338IVVsLkUPsc93vg8eeMgR51pp1WDUooLO1DjcAxCYiETi7yukCWDIMbCTIMoULrWf25IUyjalkyJKtzxBDWaLCgyMRM)mWIC0RCIMRDVQ)XFf6vEv2Oz1T771V5WPCbQueXqzBfH9ll9gHHBfUA4Zxo8JdV1YHzRA32RbJLDh03(ZfUL64)NlUGnsv2BTTfxR(VKanNlxXHtpCgi8MZaiBFlxmE2EjB4cbDyHF4usUb1)NMvQQD8IFzRZ9zsz)Qr4X2JN4mYiJpF2899Q(tV77XPdpam48TaUz2VqouHIjlvI8B61Q1jEK0mgPM3fCQHD0EF6l(N9W214Ewy4qpXqQ1iNthhS9toN3)PF1Jc4kUWEhy6F3fCmagyoGRjrPaLPgS4VxzVvv8WQmYQr4ZO(yUONuntK5CLgs7v(tTI3SUwT9MBT7MB9G6N)8h)Vd

Only active in dungeons

(and only active with the 1h tricks talent but you can change these in load)

[wanton parcel]

echo helm enchant fixed?

[neat heart]

My hands hurt

[delicate seal]

lucky, i have the budget version

[livid pewter]

pretty funny, if youre long time outlaw enjoyer u kinda press it automaticly 🤣 i kinda press it if im doin solo world contet just because im used to it haha

[torpid fiber]

yeah I catch myself with it down constantly bc i've autopressed it

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix can you ban ryuk alt please? Obvious ban evasion

[vapid sundial]

[vapid sundial]

There's always some random person trying to make mastery outlaw work

Always.

[grim spear]

Any idea when the 11.2 PTR might open?

[fringe egret]

the nightfall event cudgel works in simc now right, so if i were to try and sim if i should swap between capos on st and then either cudgel or myth rik dagger in aoe, i would just sim those 2 in 5 or 8 target patchwerk right

[vivid vessel]

no

because patchwerk arer bosses

and this weapon doesnt work on bosses

[fringe egret]

oh word good point

is there a way to sim that then or should i just capo on ST and cudgel on aoe and call it a day

[vivid vessel]

you can fake a dungeon route with only a singular mob

but

there isnt really a reason to sim it rn

you swap out on bosses anywya

so

[fringe egret]

yeah fair enough

[crimson coral]

hey, on 2nd boss rookery Stormguard something I keep getting zapped by the little adds before the boss that are pulled onto the boss and brought out of stealth too early. I see some rogues successfully avoid that but couldn't figure out what to do for myself. Any tips?

[lean viper]

Zapped? Are you hitting the gryphons on the way down after the first boss?
Cuz they apply a buff that will hit nearby enemies and that brings you out of stealth

The mobs before the 2nd boss shouldn't have anything that takes you out of stealth as far as I know

[glass mortar]

^ if u take the gryphon drop buff anytime ur tank pulls a pack into combat it will proc the lightning and break ur stealth

[crimson coral]

Ooh that might be it then

Thanks will check this out next time

[pliant wind]

its not for high keys, but if i can do a 16 with mastery outlaw and wants to have some fun, hey, why not :p

[red zinc]

I cant comprehend how a completely passive proc with no visuals can be “fun”

when its objectively worse than playing normally

but you do you

[vapid sundial]

It's funny in pvp

That's about it

[unkempt cypress]

?

[slim fern]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[pliant wind]

So many outlaw mastery haters u_u

thats why never gonna change

:(

[vapid sundial]

That's not why

We've asked them to multiple times

And trust me at this point

You don't want it

You'll get another dogshit forced stat breakpoint like haste

[haughty wigeon]

I mean all they gotta do is buff mastery damage more

They managed to make vdh mastery not suck by buffing it multiple times

[red zinc]

Not even

just needs some sort of target scaling talent

or baseline

The way its coded now itll either become the most busted stat ever if made viable on ST

Or itll be something you have to swap stats for between raid and m+

neither seem ideal

[uneven needle]

!opener

[thick pelican]

do you have tips how not to die using KS ?

Came back to my outlaw today, died 3 time in Darkflame cause of it... It's embarrassing

[cobalt mist]

dont hit it when you would die

this sounds facetious but like you really just have to not hit the button

[hybrid crown]

Also one point KS is much safer and much less of a DPS loss

[subtle field]

do we have the numbers for how much of a buff the phys comp classes gives outlaw? was thinking of, shammy, monk, druid and warr ofc.

[stiff glade]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stiff glade]

It's in there

[subtle field]

thanks

didnt know mystical touch was soo good

[stiff glade]

it's goated

[random stirrup]

5% phys damage when you are 90% phys is pretty good

[subtle field]

tbh havent read it, just heard it was decent. But seems very good

havent been running much with monks. there arent that many i feel like

[rapid ore]

what is mirrors

nvm found it lol

[jolly geyser]

🪞

[vivid vessel]

we dont play it anyway

worse than the 5 % dr thing

[lavish gorge]

anyone have some good QoL macros? just trying to save some keybinds (and my old fingers lol)

[hardy thicket]

if you dont care about min/max you could always macro on-use trinkets to AR and GS to everything I guess but thats about it

[sage zodiac]

Which of the WA customization options in roll the bones is for KIR?

[rotund zodiac]

I thought we’re full 100% physical, no?

Oh right nvm the poison

[subtle field]

forgot all about the pistol shot glyph, which one is BIS🤔?

[red zinc]

Poison, trinkets, enchants, cantrips

[torpid fiber]

they're all invisible anyways

[bronze bough]

Is it worth it to run Geargrinder in Rook over like Remnant?

Considering last boss you can't hit with the trinket?

[slate copper]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[red zinc]

cant hit last boss ML either it seems

bike bad

[jolly geyser]

biker cant drive

or steer rather

[sullen walrus]

yo, do we use ad in bubble(prepull) ?
and we use 1 time rtb(prepull)

!prepull

ahd how works unseen blade?

[hardy thicket]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[hardy thicket]

#1276308344813916261 message

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw i notice ur not forcing crackshot that hard after coup when u have 1.2-1.5+ vanish charges i think u should be doing it

ur wasting flawless form crackshots

[late swallow]

Ross coaching zac stream would be great for the outlaw community

Live comms coaching

But ross is speaking arabic

[proven ocean]

i think its impossible to sim this potentially, but for sub we can't consume coup before flag window even if its 1 sec beforehand, you end up losing flawless forms during ur 2nd crackshot

[tropic zephyr]

Zeross the Saudi royalty

[proven ocean]

can you stop being annoying all the time somnius

chill out

[late swallow]

can you stop being annoying all the time somnius

chill out

[wintry solar]

Goodmorning outlaws

[desert tendon]

Zero coaching stream titles

I m already overhypped

Cant wait

[vivid vessel]

ty for coach

number 1 thing zeross

is not wasting cdr on ks

i vanish on cd other wise

[proven ocean]

i dont mean ks zac

[vivid vessel]

yes

but i dont think you are seeing properly why i hold vanish

becasue i dont delay vanish ever

unless its for ks cd

[proven ocean]

why do u guys press KS into Coup

its abit confusing to me

[vivid vessel]

coupo is cdr

so the opposite you lose cdr on ks

[proven ocean]

wdym

it should be the other way around no?

[vivid vessel]

well if you coup > ks

you lose all the cdr from coup

on ks

thats why you rather want to ks first

as long as you dont build with ss for your coup

thats fine

[proven ocean]

how do u lose CDR from coup

what CDR

[vivid vessel]

coup is +5 cp

its a finisher

[proven ocean]

ye

[vivid vessel]

ks is a cooldown

you are losing 7+5 cp worth of cdr

on ks

if you coup > ks

[proven ocean]

ah, its not worth the dmg bonus from flawless form + the x2 fazed procs?

[vivid vessel]

nah we dont care about that

[proven ocean]

the x2 fazed is like

half a coup tho

[vivid vessel]

but you dont build with ss

[proven ocean]

idk how crazy fast u guys proc the fazed reset

[vivid vessel]

after ks

if coup is rady

thats the point

[proven ocean]

ye maybe cuz u have 70% atk speed

doesnt matter ig

actually above 100% with the talent too

idk if u guys play it

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

btw

told you our comp is good for cinder

we are fast

[proven ocean]

zac i dont think u guys are fast

i think everyone is fast

in that key

just a matter of clean run

[vivid vessel]

we are faster than everyone tho

[proven ocean]

doesnt look like faster tho u guys are r6?

cuz i had r1 rookery and i dont think we're the fastest

[vivid vessel]

r3 20

[proven ocean]

we just had a good run

[vivid vessel]

others are 21

[proven ocean]

mage comp is way faster than us

in rookery

yet it was r1

[vivid vessel]

idk if its faster

[proven ocean]

zac mage gains so much time in cinder

[vivid vessel]

cause of 3 phase last bos s

[proven ocean]

they can do it like

6-8 mins left if they do a super spicy route

[vivid vessel]

i think you overestimate mage tbf

[proven ocean]

but it'll take so many hours to progress

no im not

[proven ocean]

@lone crow how about the pack on bee boss pulling it on top

i know its very easy to do

but

mage gains 2-3 mins

from that only

lol

and nobody does it

cuz its annoying to progress but its super easy imo

[vivid vessel]

on last boss ?

we did it

[proven ocean]

no

bee boss

bee

[vivid vessel]

ah

[proven ocean]

boss

[vivid vessel]

we chain once big aoe dude is dead onto boss

[proven ocean]

this, we did it btw

instantly on boss

we almost made it

but healer held ascednance i think he was doing bee's

if he used it we live im 100% sure

[lone crow]

u can chain there after 1st aoe

[proven ocean]

and tank didnt pull it without me being aware

nah anythng on pull i mean

legit insta

its super ez if u do it

[proven ocean]

ye but

zac is saying

[vivid vessel]

ok but

[proven ocean]

mage isn't as strong

as ppl think

[vivid vessel]

we can time 21 without doing that tho

so whats the point

[proven ocean]

which i find rly extraordinary

[lone crow]

it really is

[proven ocean]

cuz

mage has the best dmg profile in the game atm

mage in those packs

where things die fast

its crazy

but

if things live long, sin is way better

[lone crow]

i think ure coping a bit

[proven ocean]

on what

[lone crow]

sin being way better

[proven ocean]

well

slightly better is a good word ig

cuz i know we're better on big momma + 1st boss cinder

[lone crow]

i can see that

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is way better

[proven ocean]

only few areas

we're better

[lone crow]

i mean ure doing good zac

i think outlaw is good tbh its not bad or something

but idk how u handle not having a mental breakdown every other key

[proven ocean]

i think outlaw is extremely bad

xd

it steals alot of dmg anythng

i dont think ur aware of it

it works fine in a non funnel comp

[lone crow]

yeye i know

but past day he played without a real funnel comp

[proven ocean]

if anything

if outlaw is good

chinese will play it

before us

[late swallow]

Outlaw pickpockets damage?

[proven ocean]

they're always the ones who find the meta comps

[lone crow]

im sorry but chinese outlaw rogues havent been any good in a while

even in s3 df they were not good

[proven ocean]

i dont mean rogues

just them in general

well i know they're bad rogues

but

they find comps

[lone crow]

ye u prolly right

[proven ocean]

thats for sure

[lone crow]

about that

[barren stream]

China is on another level

[lone crow]

ye

[proven ocean]

cuz anythng

u know that

outlaw has to be extremely good

to be good

otherwise its dogshit

[late swallow]

Don’t the chinese get better RTB rolls because of the gambling laws?

[barren stream]

Even with a non meta comp like enh+arc+boomie they are resil 20 and some 21s while western enhs have only a few 20s

[vivid vessel]

you keep saying this

but

we are getting good timers

so what

[proven ocean]

ur delusional as usual zac

[vivid vessel]

bruh

[proven ocean]

i told you 100 times cinderbrew is free timer on all comps

especially for funnel comps

[vivid vessel]

timers speak for themselves buddy

[proven ocean]

you're a good outlaw player but i dont think u ever understood timers no offense

[vivid vessel]

ok

our timer are trash then

outlaw garbonzo

time to reroll

[proven ocean]

mage comp is way better

way

better

u just need clean runs to achieve good timers

ur pretending like theres 100 teams pushing

when its like

[late swallow]

u just need clean runs to achieve good timers

[proven ocean]

5 teams only

[desert tendon]

Look at this cutie channel

Zac zero anythng

The discord is stacked

[fallow hinge]

wow censi

wow

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/KillingSpreeDawnbreaker.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1374363430362021979/KillingSpreeWorkshop.gif

[craggy barn]

oh right, can bombs kill u through ks cloak on that boss

or is it phys damage or somehting stupid

had a run where i exploded mid ks

[fallow hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[mighty pivot]

it's physical but it should still stagger if you hit them while in ks

[half ibex]

Hi, quick quesiton about BTE please : in a subterfuge window shouldi always weave ambus/bte or should i spam BTE if i keep the combo points?

[craggy barn]

bte if u get a reset

in subt u spend at 5cp

[shy pecan]

what macro are people using to swap the nightblade offhand?

is it linked somewhere here?

[blissful idol]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

[shy pecan]

thanks 🙂

[quaint sable]

And its in the 3rd pin

[desert tendon]

yes it s about wow liz

[desert tendon]

you can evasion and soak them if you face the boss while soaking the bomb

so it s physical

[tribal oasis]

when doing KS in the last boss of DFC, if you get out of the light with the teleports, are you basically hitting 0 dmg?

[ember goblet]

what key lvl is best to practice on for rotation and getting things down pat

[kind bronze]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[ember goblet]

and Molten knuckles are better than a myth track wep?

[strong cargo]

yes, if you can try to ask your tank to place boss in the middle of candle, but they usually don't, just blame Blizzard for KS design 👍

[sudden fulcrum]

you no take candle!!!

[tribal oasis]

nice, as usual, thanks!

[covert kestrel]

Well you can blast low keys but not really good for like knowing how to use defensives in the rotation/when it's safe to KS, so prob just do keys relevant to your ilvl and accept that it'll be rough for a bit

[bright crane]

honestly with this ilvl

12s

[craggy barn]

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/6aed2360-63d2-4794-b060-56da8c080c42 this is bullshit

i know what happened but still

[vivid vessel]

yep

stagger bug

thats why i always press evasion

when a bomb is close

[craggy barn]

yea i forgot it was evasion angle not cloak

[vivid vessel]

yep

[silver jacinth]

I wanna try outlaw coming from subtlety, I know there are some skills that are unusable with a dagger MH. Does it affect the DPS rotation?

[craggy barn]

also that run bear kept not moving boss away from orbs on last boss

er that set of runs

was really annoying

[vivid vessel]

you cant do that

you need a main hand

[blissful idol]

you cant even use dispatch if i remember correctly

[craggy barn]

yep no dispatch

no sinister strike either

[quaint sable]

I thought u could ss

[craggy barn]

oh right u can ss

but either way

no dispatch

[silver jacinth]

i see, thanks guys

For crafted weapons, do we usually do sword MH, mace offhand?

[craggy barn]

sword/mace/axe doesnt matter

just that its a one handed non dagger agi weapon

[silver jacinth]

even on offhand we dont want dagger yes?

[late swallow]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[late swallow]

Sim yourself for what’s best for you based on the items you have access to

[vivid vessel]

somnius

how is the gooning going

[late swallow]

Watching s2 andor

Banger show

[vivid vessel]

ah i see

[late swallow]

Mon mothma is my new mommy

[vivid vessel]

should i watch ?

[desert tendon]

ah i see

[vivid vessel]

i dont remember s1

[desert tendon]

should i watch ?

[vivid vessel]

did i watch s1

[late swallow]

Yeah it’s good

[vivid vessel]

ah ye i remeber

[craggy barn]

zac do u watch things in english

[vivid vessel]

ye

thats how i learned english

I was very bad at english in school

[craggy barn]

classic

but hen u got introduced to anime

[vivid vessel]

up until i started watching stuffs in english cause i was tired of being bad

i mean anime arent in englsih

so that doesnt work cuh

[craggy barn]

english dubs pepw

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

[mighty pivot]

dubs

[craggy barn]

idk dbz dub is banger

theres some dubs that are just fine

[vivid vessel]

i watch everything in original now

[craggy barn]

most suck tho

[vivid vessel]

even like

german stuffs

or any language

[craggy barn]

ye i usually try to as well

[vivid vessel]

cause you notice instantly

when its a dub

[wintry solar]

my weakauras are all broke D:

[vivid vessel]

and i cant

it break everything for me

its ugly

[craggy barn]

its very easy to understand the original intent in the og language

dubs tend to be scuffed

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-not-hit-her-its-not-true-its-bullshit-i-did-not-tommy-wiseau-gif-20151616

[craggy barn]

tho i did watch the LOTR triology in french on my flight to paris

[vivid vessel]

yep

[craggy barn]

bc i was bored

[vivid vessel]

ok

wtf

i dont think i ever watched lotr in french actually

[craggy barn]

was aight

[vivid vessel]

harry potter was at a time

where i was still french tho

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

idk if i would watch it in french or english rn

prolly english

[craggy barn]

zac

i have a french canadian doing 21st man on my mugzee prog

[mighty pivot]

is he getting paid in maple syrup

[vivid vessel]

Holy shmoly!

[craggy barn]

huge 21st man buff

sped up prog by a lot

[vivid vessel]

Bro Canadians wishes they were french on god

[craggy barn]

we also hav scuffed subs rn

crazy heal comp

disc priest who was playing holy most of the raid
a resto druid who is normally boomkin bc our mw wasnt avail

[livid pewter]

@vivid vessel any clue, why your adr + bf in the weakaura set is kinda "size offset" ? compared to rtb / bte, same settings and stuff

[craggy barn]

and our main tank swapped to paladin for this fight

[hollow temple]

[random stirrup]

Praying for him

[craggy barn]

hes chillin

least of our issues rn

[random stirrup]

Our mt perma crashed out on that boss entire prog because of the mine bugs

[craggy barn]

our mine issues is mostly people walking into them when they arent supposed to

or not soaking

[random stirrup]

The ones in p2 are turbo desynced apparently

[craggy barn]

yea

the ones u freeze?

ye

[random stirrup]

no just in general

We had multiple wipes he said he ran all through and around a mine with horse and it just didn’t pop

[vivid vessel]

that doesnt look like my weak aura

everything seems off sized

[livid pewter]

im just building some custom weakaura since im bored 😂 but this one is yours just with another masque overlay

[craggy barn]

thats the border

im pretty sure

[livid pewter]

its not, trust me ^^ but nvm i fixed it, idk how but i just duplicated it and it swapped off

[craggy barn]

ah

i just need 1 fucking key for 3400

gdi

[wintry solar]

you know what th emost annoying part of the visions are?

when killing pimples, combat lingers for like 9 seconds

[hybrid crown]

The ones on the bridges between districts

Grapple across the canal instead of fighting them

Grapple sometimes takes a few clicks of no path available but if you spam it it'll work

[half ibex]

@vivid vessel is that me or do you weave BTE and Ambush in subterfuge, even if you have bte reset? Or is it the ability recording which doesn't work?

[mild gazelle]

could anyone point me to a "simple" version of outlaw for keys up to 10's? or, is there a recommended "start here" guide i can follow? Not bothered just yet about being rank 1 or parsing 100, but there is a LOT of info for just getting started so the fundamentals would be great

[craggy barn]

#outlaw-faq has a simple faq for rotation stuff

[vivid vessel]

its dispatch from crackshot

weak aura picking it up

its a fake cast

[compact smelt]

is learning on KiR a bad idea? I find it a lot more enjoyable than HO but it does seem more difficult

[hardy thicket]

Higher chance excelling at something you enjoy rather than play somthing easier that you dont like as muhc

also fuck HO, HO is fake

[half ibex]

Ok ty mate

[stone vault]

is there any WA that sorts players in LFG from highest rio to lowest rio?

[hardy thicket]

Premade groups filter

[sudden fulcrum]

premade group filter can filter by min/max RIO

[stone vault]

oh

[sudden fulcrum]

it's a good addon to have

[stone vault]

ty lads

[compact smelt]

tyty

[lament locust]

@vivid vessel do you press KiR on a pull that you know you have alot of downtime after? Like first pull on ML then skipping all the way to boss

[vivid vessel]

if its very late into the pull i might not

but ye of course

i might be annoyed by it tho