outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks has higher priority than vanish

[crimson thicket]

I got bilgewater pants, magnet, and oab/rik dagger last night @vivid vessel

Was goated run for me

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[crimson thicket]

Magnet has speed too

[clever tulip]

yeah

Sometimes after i vanish i feel quite energy starved, that normal?

[crimson thicket]

Did you push AR

[gaunt phoenix]

not really

If you maintain AR you have energy

[clever tulip]

I mean outside of AR

[crimson thicket]

We have infinite AR

[clever tulip]

ah ok

[crimson thicket]

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

If you lose AR you dont have energy

[inland acorn]

If you lose AR you call for a wipe

[clever tulip]

This spec fries my head

So i keep AR during stealth, subterfuge

so how do i never drop it? It must drop off SOMETIMES

[ripe ibex]

check out the outlawfaq if you haven’t

has a lot of info

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel ass fucker

Wanna join cinderbrew

[vivid vessel]

yue sure

[rotund token]

!wwa

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

you do drop it a bit

but it should have >90% uptime

everything about the rotation comes together to lower the cooldown on AR and vanish

Enough to sustain AR most of the time

[bright crane]

You play right = AR up long time and u happy :). You play wrong = AR up short time and u sad 😦

[neat heart]

hero talents are supposed to be here for the rest of retail right

like theyre not just for the next 3 xpacs?

[quaint sable]

I mean who knows what well have 3 expacs from now.

[covert kestrel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[neat heart]

pve outlaw players are getting unlimited AR?

is that hyperbole or are yall in it 24/7

[vivid vessel]

90% + with correct play

[neat heart]

holy shit

[soft bobcat]

If you get good cdr rolls

[neat heart]

does cdr effect grappling hook

or blind

[hybrid crown]

It's been like that since DF season 3 basically

Yes it does

And sprint

[soft bobcat]

And sprint I think

[hybrid crown]

Sprint can have like 90% uptime

[neat heart]

wow pve outlaw sounds fun as hell

[hybrid crown]

And evasion

[neat heart]

do not try pvp guys

[hybrid crown]

It is. I switched to assassination for brood and it felt slow and squishy

Since we prio vers we are way tankier

And can justify running elusiveness

[soft bobcat]

Your not pulling double fidget damage on outlaw though

People pull too big

[hybrid crown]

Double digit?

[soft bobcat]

Like 17 mil pulls

[hybrid crown]

Like 10+ mil aoe?

I do 10-11 as long as I have average rng

[tidal hawk]

u can get to 10 with the silly weapon

[soft bobcat]

Peak or finish

[hybrid crown]

I did a 6 mil overall in priory

[tidal hawk]

but you aren't sniffing on 20 like some

[soft bobcat]

First pull on flood or brew is like a 20 mil for sin

[hybrid crown]

I think someone did 7 or 8 with ideal pulls even

What was your overall for flood? I've broken 5

[soft bobcat]

5.5 or something I’m not that good though

[hybrid crown]

I bet I could do more if I didn't mess up the second half so bad

[soft bobcat]

I seen a son do 7

My gm did a key where the sins overall was 7

I make rotational errors

And feral

Disgusting

[tidal hawk]

at least we have good st

[soft bobcat]

Maybe the cleave build

Oh outlaw has good boss damage

[hybrid crown]

the differences seem so small to me looking at logs

unless you are doing 20s it doesn't matter

[frail veldt]

Nah outlaw def can do like 12-15mil with a big pack

And tbh by the time the pack dies, the mm and uhdk damage starts to taper off

Outlaws in the running for some of the highest overall I think

[hybrid crown]

comparing class to class too, this is assuming your tank is doing perfect mdi pulls

if its a W pull outlaw does a crazy amount of dps compared to CD classes

[wintry solar]

@true cedar

[hybrid crown]

699 ilvl belt 😮

watch as the lightning proc which is probably the first one everyone gets is best for outlaw

[wintry solar]

more vers for the vers god!

[hybrid crown]

10% haste

its def on killing blow and actually really bad

[wintry solar]

why would it not be on killing blow?

[red zinc]

what key is your gm doing

Theres like 3 assa players doing that damage in real keys

[crimson thicket]

weekly 8 priory

[red zinc]

is bleed build really that dumb on low keys

[crimson thicket]

im jk but yeah

ive almost hit 7 mil on baby keys

[late swallow]

bleed build is absolutely dummy on lowkeys

it's literally afk damage

get rup and CT out

and then everything gets giga demised

[crimson thicket]

any demise enjoyers in chat

[late swallow]

yeah SB pumps as well

[red zinc]

I mean that isnt a low key

500m 6%

[crimson thicket]

its not

[red zinc]

bleed in high key

[rotund zodiac]

hi chat

[crimson thicket]

but stuff with low health blows up just as fast so your overall doesnt suffer

[rotund zodiac]

[red zinc]

[crimson thicket]

bro it was only a 17, not that high

[rotund zodiac]

now I question my definition of high key

[crimson thicket]

hehe

[red zinc]

trutru

[crimson thicket]

if i have resilient of it, its not a high key because i suck

zac? hes doin them high keys

[red zinc]

I mean idk man the main difficulty in keys used to be not getting enough attempts

Now that that issues gone even 19 isnt that crazy anymore

[crimson thicket]

yeah, everyones io is 5-600 higher than last season

[red zinc]

20 gets hard

[frail veldt]

resil is pretty op tbh

[crimson thicket]

because almost unlimited chances

[rotund zodiac]

I know I can play 16-17 keys but I just don't get invite to play those keys

[frail veldt]

And people are essentially boosting each other

[crimson thicket]

@rotund zodiac i know ur struggle

[frail veldt]

its so free to just join someone elses resil key

[crimson thicket]

im on cusp of 3500

if i hit 3500 i ill get small dopamine hit

[red zinc]

I mean idk i feel like yall are doing something weird

Barely had issues pugging all 18s

19s are weird since everyone plays comp rogue doesnt fit into

but even then ive gotten a few alr

[frail veldt]

barely had issues sounds like cap

[crimson thicket]

the problem is if you're even a week behind, its gets insanely harder to get into keys

[red zinc]

in terms of getting invites?

[frail veldt]

it takes me like 30+ mins to pug into a 16/17

[red zinc]

Not really

[rotund zodiac]

oce realm pugs are wild

[crimson thicket]

if you started off strong and had networking sure

but if you started late

[frail veldt]

but im NA

idk if you are too

[crimson thicket]

you just dont get invites as yellow class NA

[frail veldt]

NA pug keys are like 1/10th of EU

[red zinc]

oh ye

[frail veldt]

literally

[red zinc]

spawnpoint issue

[crimson thicket]

ur EU

u got so many more players

smh

[rotund zodiac]

yea it sucks

[frail veldt]

im in cali I spawned bis

[crimson thicket]

TN here bis

[bright crane]

Hell ya brother

[red zinc]

I might go cali at some point

For like 6 months

[rotund zodiac]

gotta reroll my spawn point

[frail veldt]

northern or southern?

[red zinc]

LA / malibu

[frail veldt]

nice

[red zinc]

Gonna work under my uncle as music prod

[frail veldt]

LA is interesting

[red zinc]

Hopefully

[frail veldt]

oh dope

[keen belfry]

I may move to San Fran mewo

[frail veldt]

oh no way!

[red zinc]

Fent lean

[frail veldt]

awang mewo meet up?

lol

[keen belfry]

Yes

[frail veldt]

im like 40 mins south of SF

[bright crane]

You’re in the Bay Area too mew?

[frail veldt]

ye

[bright crane]

Bro same

[keen belfry]

Would be like 2026 2027 San Fran awang

[frail veldt]

very nice

[keen belfry]

Depending on a few things

[frail veldt]

SF is a fun city

[keen belfry]

But going from MN to San Fran sounds fun

[frail veldt]

I grew up in the bay so I dont have a large desire to live there

[red zinc]

isnt sf a lot better now than a few years ago

[frail veldt]

ummm

[rotund zodiac]

imagine outlaw mains meet up irl

[bright crane]

Idk about that

[frail veldt]

SF is great in some areas

and shit in others

[red zinc]

They like moved homeless people to a specific part of the city

[frail veldt]

but mostly its great

[red zinc]

or something

[frail veldt]

yeah kinda

[red zinc]

concentrated the problem instead of fixing it

[frail veldt]

theyre still everywhere haha

[bright crane]

They moved them cause some Chinese diplomat came

I was there last weekend

Can assure you it’s back to how it was

[frail veldt]

but yeah esp if youre new to the area, living in SF you meet hella people

thats where most of the people who move here joining the company im at live

[bright crane]

Idk I like SF in small doses

[frail veldt]

saaame

thats why I live in south bay haha

the public transport into the city has def gotten better over the years

so now its pretty easy to get in and out on the weekends

[bright crane]

Yeha it has

The new electric Caltrain is sick

So quiet

[frail veldt]

yeeee

its pretty bougie inside

compared to the old shit haha

[bright crane]

Yeah it is

[red zinc]

dude i was gonna go to prague this summer

[keen belfry]

Mewo tell me about cornerstone research

[red zinc]

thought like "maybe ill take the train for once to be ecofriendly"

[frail veldt]

ooooo

[frail veldt]

wat dat

[red zinc]

18 hours 7 transfers

[frail veldt]

JEEZ

[red zinc]

just booked a plane ticket

fuck that

[keen belfry]

economic consulting in SF

Thought you knew all of SF…

[frail veldt]

hahaha

[red zinc]

can you economically consult my wow gold pouch

[frail veldt]

that sounds cool

but yeah im in tech idk nutin bout dat

[bright crane]

Brother the goal here is to sell your soul to a big tech company

[red zinc]

mine is lockheed martin

uh i mean

im going to work on bettering the climate

[bright crane]

IPO start up dream is dead cause money is so expensive

[red zinc]

for marginal gains!

[keen belfry]

I work for a healthcare company

In tech

[bright crane]

Nice. I work in cybersecurity

[desert tendon]

Wtf

[keen belfry]

Luigi killed my ceo

[frail veldt]

I work at an EV company(no not that one) lol

[desert tendon]

So many cuites in this channel right now

Wtf is that

Mewo and awang

[red zinc]

not even me

??

[frail veldt]

be jealous

[desert tendon]

And tiem

[keen belfry]

I’m so cute it’s crazy

[desert tendon]

What the hell

[red zinc]

naw too late

we got beef now

[frail veldt]

adorable even

[desert tendon]

Gladly zero aint there yet

Or else

[red zinc]

am kinda cute rn though did my twink revival

can bring back the sticker

[frail veldt]

hahaha

[keen belfry]

I’ve never had a twink arc

[desert tendon]

The cuteness of this channel would drastically decrease to negativ

[frail veldt]

My twink dreams ended when I grew grey hair in grad school

[bright crane]

I’ll do you one better

I’ve had grey hair since I was 16 no cap

[red zinc]

crazy

[frail veldt]

sheeesh

[red zinc]

my family got immaculate hair

[frail veldt]

I think I started getting it at like 23

[keen belfry]

I don’t have grey hair maybe I can twink myself out

[frail veldt]

but at least I have all my hair I realy cant complain

[red zinc]

but people always say its father on your mothers side thing and i aint ever seen him so

[bright crane]

It was either that or going bald

[red zinc]

he mightve been bald at 12

who knows

[bright crane]

So I’ll take thick grey hair vs none at all like my brothers

[frail veldt]

saaame

[red zinc]

decently big forehead but no recession yet i cant complain at all

[jolly geyser]

saw my 1 gray hair this year,im 33

[keen belfry]

This big political breakup is reminding me of the bigger recent outlaw breakup, ryukage and the discord

[red zinc]

ryu was elon

[bright crane]

Lovers scorned

[red zinc]

couldnt post here anymore

so had to go on twitter instead

thoughts?

the timing too crazy

[bright crane]

Wait has he really been?

[keen belfry]

Where do you think ryu posts now

[bright crane]

I think he went to havoc channel

[keen belfry]

That’s sick

[bright crane]

So he can scream into the void

[red zinc]

i bet he gets banned there too

impossible challenge but

he might be the first to pull it off

[bright crane]

Has he messaged any of you guys

[red zinc]

no

[keen belfry]

No

[red zinc]

not that he could

[bright crane]

He was perpetually in this chat too

I wonder how he’s occupying his time

[frail veldt]

maybe with all this free time he can finally hit that 10billion overall damage

[bright crane]

Or figuring out when it’s safe to use ks

[frail veldt]

thats silly

he runs 40% haste

[bright crane]

Actually?

[fossil lintel]

No, he ran 38%

[keen belfry]

I’m perpetually inting workshop

Am I supposed to win overall in workshop

[frail veldt]

fuck workshop

[frail veldt]

it feels like no

[keen belfry]

That’s the only dungeon I lose to randos

[frail veldt]

workshop is by far outlaws worst key

its not even close

[keen belfry]

Like I’ll lose to a rando in a rando 18

[fossil lintel]

Fuck that dog

[keen belfry]

Only that key

[jolly geyser]

spending too much time in spec channels in general is worrying

[frail veldt]

hey

you shut your face

[keen belfry]

I’m in here too often

[fossil lintel]

I feel called out as well

[frail veldt]

Im in here while I wait for code to build and repos to sync

[fossil lintel]

I'm in here while procrastinating from my coding job, not even compiling shit

And then I spend half my night finishing shit instead

[subtle field]

@vivid vessel how long did it take you to get the darkfuse lowdown coat? its a must have, BIS

[vivid vessel]

3 night of farm i think

but at the time there was loads of grps

and people knew how to farm

idk if thats still the case

if you do it alone it will take forever

[subtle field]

seems to be for my friend

[hybrid crown]

I've heard about 10 hours

[vivid vessel]

i did it in less i think

more around 7/8

but ye its around that

[hybrid crown]

Also outlaw can be a puller in 4x4 groups and it's like boomkin levels of good for pulling mobs

The side street exploit for extra rep was fixed

[subtle field]

I need to do a quest to unlock the rep thing first, right?

[hybrid crown]

Run vigor for free haste, set hour long md on tank, take a side and ps mobs as they spawn

[radiant fiber]

How much can we soak with cloak in 2nd boss psf?

Only 1 stack and cloak to remove debuff?

[desert tendon]

Wtf that zac the cute also here

[hardy thicket]

zaccerino

in DF you had this goated cast on you WA

[desert tendon]

https://x.com/nnoggie/status/1930724796083646681

Nnoggie (@nnoggie)

I'm not sure if people realize how massive of a change the upcomming AddOn / API restrictions is going to be. Out of the top 15 most downloaded AddOns on https://t.co/IXpuiBJ5O6 10 (!!!) are going to be completely dead or heavily affected. Biggest change to the game ever.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 8:33 PM

[hardy thicket]

do you use something similar now or

cant find anything decent on wago but im bozo

It would track all abilities being cast/aimed at you in M+ and a small icon would show up which ability and how many

[gaunt phoenix]

how real or fearmonger-y is this

[ruby mauve]

its in tww wa pack

for dungeons lol

[hardy thicket]

it doesnt cover all casts

not even nearly all of the necessary ones

[ruby mauve]

ye

[jolly geyser]

WA most likely boss stuff

[desert tendon]

idk, it s nnoggie so it s probably accurate enough to matter i guess. Idk at all how addons and api works to be honest but

[ruby mauve]

no there is a wa m+ pack and you can customize it but it's not what u were askin for mb

[desert tendon]

even so it s only 5 out of the 10 he mentionned, let s say, still a drastical change to the game

[vivid vessel]

blizzard has been

extremely vague

[hardy thicket]

Yeah I have the standard WA pack for dungeons

[vivid vessel]

toward what the actual restrictions will be

[hardy thicket]

but I need one that alerts me when im targetted by spells in packs

[vivid vessel]

thats his interpretation

[hardy thicket]

especially big pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[vivid vessel]

i think there is a world where blizzard does something where weak auras etc

are still able to access information

in certain way

for example

weak aura could be able to access x buff and redimision/move/skin it

add sounds/glow

but not do more right

so you would still have all the customisation part

which would mostly not affect all the popular stuffs for example class weak auras

or in the other hand they could just lock down everything

and combat events arent accessible at all

[ruby mauve]

do you use sound queues? it will literally ping "targeted" and has a list of what is being cast on u w timers. you can adjust which spells will show

[vivid vessel]

and everything kinda dies then

[craggy barn]

bro

zac

[jolly geyser]

something to look forward to ig

[craggy barn]

how long has teh rookery first pull bird's circle just disappeared

[hardy thicket]

yeah I do

[ruby mauve]

ah ok

[hardy thicket]

the TWW normie pack does not alert me with sound ques in packs

tho

[ruby mauve]

nvm lol

[hardy thicket]

it does on boss fights

maybe some abilities in packs

[ruby mauve]

oh, mine works in packs

[hardy thicket]

Yeah some could be in there

definitely not all tho

[ruby mauve]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

forever i think

[gaunt phoenix]

so no combat events would be the death of everything

or just the death of advanced things like rtb container or

[hardy thicket]

also it lacks the customization Im after

[vivid vessel]

ye i think it goes either way

either they klock everything

[hardy thicket]

the one zac had in DF would show how many casts and which ability

it was neat

[vivid vessel]

or they just let us have a way to customize how we want to display stuffs

[hardy thicket]

so if like 2 rangers in BRH both targetted u, you got 2 icons

[vivid vessel]

for example we have that in game with the form of private aura

while its mega trash

it could be expanded a lot

rn with private auras you can resize them, change their anchor, which side they grow etc

you can also attach sounds

to each individual debuff

thats all possible currentyl with private aura

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont like change

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its gonna be nexzt expac

at hte soonest

prolly next next expac even

[craggy barn]

i hate it

4 deaths in a row to first pull rookery 16

still timed but still

[vivid vessel]

i eman

you know tho ?

its been like this

you have to play around it

[craggy barn]

i havent noticed it til now

lol

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/scenery-cat-sad-cat-sad-beach-gif-18446374772982486819

[craggy barn]

somehow every pug i run still doesnt pull it

[hardy thicket]

does the 1st boss in rookery always evade if he phases for his spinning shit when at 0%

[gaunt phoenix]

me when the

[craggy barn]

im almost done with 16s

[jolly geyser]

plater and wa disabled in next expansion

[craggy barn]

just needa find keys

plater and wa disabled, but 100fps gained

big tradeoff

[vivid vessel]

btw @gaunt phoenix

[jolly geyser]

never used plater

[vivid vessel]

if it goes the way i said

it would be very good for the game imo

it would remove all the "rotation helper" weak auras

[craggy barn]

what was the way u said

[vivid vessel]

all the assignements weak auras

everything of the sort

but all the things like class weak auras could be preserved in some way

which is imo what weak aura and the like should be

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah i get the intent

[vivid vessel]

I hope blizzard does that

[jolly geyser]

that means more simple rotations

[gaunt phoenix]

just hope it doesnt end up as a net loss in customization

[vivid vessel]

ye

it prolly will

we will see

[craggy barn]

at the very least non combat weak auras should still exist

things like plumber

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

what is that

[jolly geyser]

plumber is fucking great

[frank finch]

imagine zac having to retire his perfect ui pack

[craggy barn]

i imagine ui skins will exist

[frank finch]

sadge

[hardy thicket]

https://wago.io/TsFNFG1H7 something like this ig

oh shi

[craggy barn]

i got bored and updated my ui pack

if they remove weak auras how will i do that

😦

[jolly geyser]

shouldnt have updated

[craggy barn]

i spent an hour making adjustments

for all 3 specs

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[craggy barn]

its like

half of ur shit zac

[ruby mauve]

how come people want WA removed? I feel like it's more something that you get into late game, i did not touch wa til higher m+

[hardy thicket]

Probably because of exactly that

they feel its a barrier to entry to hard content

[craggy barn]

weak auras are super powerful, and can trivialize a lot of content

[vivid vessel]

meh

only thing it does is let blizzard have dogshit ui and unreadable mechanics

[hardy thicket]

Like one of the reasons they gave that people who "refuse to use the addons" are at disadvantage

[vivid vessel]

that can be fixed with wekauars/addon

[jolly geyser]

idc what they do, I press some buttons anyway

[hardy thicket]

tbh

first time im worried they might break WoW real bad

[mighty pivot]

i wish WAs could fix ks

[jolly geyser]

it is what it is

[ruby mauve]

yeah i play osrs and they let people mark exactly what tiles to stand on w instructions for boss fights. idk mechanics are not clear at all and the addons are basically required now but the community loves it, so just interesting

[hardy thicket]

Like it feels like they are going to have to dumb the game down so much and change combat systems to just make it a dumbed down WoW at that point

[jolly geyser]

we cant change wow stuff anyway,they got vision ig

be negative and be suprised

[civic zephyr]

I agree big time, I don’t mind the raid weakauras for example, you still have to play the mechanic and I’d rather keep my complex raidfightd than not use weakauras

The only time it really bothered me was neltharion in abberus

But that’s just fixed by good encounter design

[vivid vessel]

gallywix

had 0 weak aura

[ruby mauve]

idk man sounds dumb but I also would have just quit this game without a rotation helper wa early on in m+

[plain halo]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[civic zephyr]

Yeah and how hard was that boss?

Especially for an end boss? XD

[vivid vessel]

nah

[ruby mauve]

had no idea why I was doing no damage lol

[vivid vessel]

that was just tuning

the boss mechanics were hard enough and interesting enough im o

just nothing did damage

and nothing was a dps check

thats different

[civic zephyr]

Idk p2 he just stands there and does nothing

[jolly geyser]

now look at kil jaeden or archimonde wa´'s

[civic zephyr]

To me at least it’s not a very engaging fight

[jolly geyser]

what other boss had those wa beam indicators

was just bad design

[civic zephyr]

It’s always design

Or most of the time

[craggy barn]

when those beam indicators came out, thats when blizzard did a major addon change

[jolly geyser]

ye

[craggy barn]

to not ever let that happen again

[jolly geyser]

also shortlived addon in ICC that showed where abilites would land

got our putricide kill thou

AVR?

[civic zephyr]

Whatever they do I just hope it works out, it’s a very risky move for sure

Especially last raids of an expansion usually bang

The chances of them missing encounter design because they HAVE to change the way encounters look and play if they ban weakauras

Are pretty high

[mighty pivot]

they are not changing anything before midnight wdym

[jolly geyser]

Not something I think about tbh,if they fuck it up bad I dont play,if its ok im there ig

[civic zephyr]

Is that happening in midnight

That’s good

I thought that’s planned for s3 already

[mighty pivot]

they simply cannot do that for s3. First of all even they don't know what they will limit yet

and secondly it will require sweeping changes on the existing addons

and they need to provide alternatives in the base ui

[jolly geyser]

maybe they doing that hero "reset" void lowers our powers or some shit

[mighty pivot]

it took them months to provide the sorry excuse of cd manager

[craggy barn]

they 100% can start reducing fight complexity right now

but i dont see a huge overall design philosophy change

yet

[jolly geyser]

I like playing my ret pala and ol rogue rn so idc

[mighty pivot]

it was just dumb of them to communicate a potential change like that without even having made their minds over what they will remove first. It only causes unnecessary drama

[bright crane]

What??? Blizz making their own lives hard? I’m shooketh!!

[red zinc]

wait

The +1 luck on the roulette wheel actually does something?

kek

[craggy barn]

yes

perma flip

[red zinc]

fire

[craggy barn]

kinda sucks

ruins the flip record

[jolly geyser]

was the record 14 before?

[craggy barn]

shrug

i thought it was like in the 20s

[bright crane]

I wish it made non-flipping races flip

[mighty pivot]

ye i'm sure they would create new animations for each race that doesn't flip just for 1 item

[sour gulch]

this shit sims higher than cyrce's ring

at the exact same ilvl

crazy

[sudden fulcrum]

it's the luck

[bright crane]

Yeha I mean

High vers ring

I’ve replaced mine like week 2 with the H high vers/crit ring from delves

[sour gulch]

I have the same one

[bright crane]

I think the high vers/mastery ring from top also sims better than cyrce

Yeah that’s the one

[cedar kernel]

[bright crane]

queues up sick copy pasta about Blizz shareholders not letting humans do flips

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/idi-naxui-gif-26345237

[sour gulch]

lmao

[hardy thicket]

imagine failing the first pull PSF so many times you get instance locked

[vivid vessel]

sussy baka !

waht the freak!

[clever tulip]

trying to understand the vanish and underhanded upper hand, so am i only really using vanish to keep AR up?

if i drop AR, i dont vanish?

Also KS is a higher prio than BTE but im not supposed to use it during stealth/subterfuge?

[hardy thicket]

Well its just a part of it

You also do most of your damage in stealth during subterfuge

Due to entering stealth means your BtE has no cooldown and it also sends dispatches every use

Basically theres this synergy where BtE has no cooldown, Ace up your sleeve gives you a 5% chance per CP to refund CP for every finisher, goal is to get refunds and spam BtE during your subterfuge window.

KS being hihger prio means you make sure its on cooldown before you enter stealth/subterfuge, you dont wanna KS inside stealth/subter no. And no you don't use vanish if AR isn't active*.

[clever tulip]

Great, thanks for the explanation man

[sour gulch]

does this help you with AR uptime guys

Says + luck, has to

just did an +8 TOP

[royal ermine]

obviously make sure you put luck on every piece of crafted, get the shirt and the horseshoe

[sour gulch]

what are people doing

[buoyant orchid]

is 658 the highest ilvl for the cudgel?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[sour gulch]

yepge

still beats anything in aoe

[buoyant orchid]

still better than 681 dagger?

ah oke

[gaunt phoenix]

On trash yea

[sour gulch]

they've been hitting the mark with rogue sets

(transmog)

[buoyant orchid]

so in m+ im using cudgel and bosses im swapping it for dagger

[sour gulch]

Yep

[buoyant orchid]

[gaunt phoenix]

Heroic capo should be slightly ahead of dagger

[buoyant orchid]

yeah dont have it

my first dinar was jastors for assa then i decided to swap to outlaw and realized its useless

[royal ermine]

yeah its pretty good

[sour gulch]

that's a skill issue

imagine being a cow

or whatever that abomination is

It's a cow issue, or races that have weird shapes

[royal ermine]

that was the joke yes

can't wear anything feels bad

[sour gulch]

btw rogue has the best discord Pride Icon

ngl

[sour gulch]

at least there are a lot of things to change your chars race

like the illusions

or that one toy

[buoyant orchid]

true rogue one looks sick

[sour gulch]

dh one just low effort lol

[vivid vessel]

warrior is the worse

they could have made the blade gay

so easy

[latent oak]

think our first one looked better

like the pally one

[vivid vessel]

naaah

our first one was so ugly

[sour gulch]

Some mod is doing it

that has no experience with that kind of thing lol

[lime lake]

well how much experience do you have with making blades gay mr judgy

also druid one is probably the coolest

[sour gulch]

I am not judging

I don't have any experience tbh lol

[lime lake]

the claws go hard

[sour gulch]

Oh shit

[bright crane]

Mage one is the worst

If it even has it applied at all

I legit can’t tell

[sour gulch]

It doesn’t

Looks exactly the same

[bright crane]

Kek

[true cedar]

ITS TOO EASY

[sour gulch]

What if Outlaw’s mastery was something with RTB?

The more mastery you have, the higher chance for more buffs

I just want this shit to be good

They buffing all abilities except for our mastery

[true cedar]

wdym? are you saying stacking mastery isnt good..?

[sour gulch]

And it just keeps going behind

[sour gulch]

And I’d still keep main gauche proc

Along with the RTB idea

[glass mortar]

neh

just make it sword mastery

scaling chance for ur spells to strike again for a % of their base damage

dont make it an offhand attack, delete fatal flourish

[sour gulch]

Lmao how’s that gonna work with SS

[glass mortar]

it doesnt cause proc effects or anything

its just damage

like sword mastery was

[sour gulch]

Isn’t that effectively main gauche

[glass mortar]

scales better then mg tho and doesnt make ur dps breakdown look like shit

yes but no

[sour gulch]

Oh I see

The scaling part

[glass mortar]

the problem with mg is talents and shit that buff BtE

dont buff mastery at all

but if u have this

since its doing a % of btes damage when it procs

its scaling with talents that buff bte

etc

[sour gulch]

They’re not buffing the mastery enough

[glass mortar]

yes

[sour gulch]

I remember main gauche was like too 2 dps ability in mop

[glass mortar]

our mastery could be strung if they buffed it

[sour gulch]

Top

[glass mortar]

but if they did that, our breakdown would look very uggly

it would all just be these passive procs

[sour gulch]

But since then it has gotten worse

How was our mastery in legion?

[glass mortar]

idr

not great i think

[sour gulch]

I like how main gauche proc looks

[glass mortar]

for years mastery was bugged and not proccing off all MH attacks

[sour gulch]

At least it has an animation

[glass mortar]

it was only proccing off like 2 spells in our kit

that was fixed in DF

and it was still shit

xd

[sour gulch]

F

I don’t like usual damage amp masteries

That’s basically versa

[glass mortar]

i just want them to remove fatal flourish

[sour gulch]

But at least something

[glass mortar]

why is 40% of my energy budget

rng procs

just normalize it

[craggy barn]

does talent tweak ex not have a spec swap option

instead of swapping tabs

[sour gulch]

What if main gauche procs give energy

I know that’s more rng lol

I don’t know how they still haven’t done anything about our mastery

They even changed survival one and now it’s their best secondary

[glass mortar]

they do...

they can proc ff

[sour gulch]

I am cooked

[glass mortar]

they r oh attacks

[sour gulch]

I am talking the mastery itself

Not ff

[glass mortar]

sure but thats just the rng moved somewhere else

could normalize it more

id rather just not

have an rng energy proc

and have base buffed

[sour gulch]

What if mastery increases damage and proc chance

It’s just damage now, right?

It used to be proc change iirc

[frail veldt]

that just equates to damage though

[frail veldt]

agreeeeeeeeeeeed

instead of PPM fatal flourish needs to be like PP 20 seconds

normalize around a shorter time interval

or even PP 5 seconds

[glass mortar]

its not ppm

its flat chance

[frail veldt]

oh then at least make it ppm wtf

thats dumb

awful design

jfc

[frank finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/puzzling-cartel-chip-catch-up-being-added-on-weekly-resets-377179

[trim pond]

how do we get rid of mastery with so many tier pieces having so much of it? I'm at 25%... gross

[frail veldt]

you dont

gotta just live with it

[silver sluice]

You kinda don't yeah, just there

[fossil lintel]

I was looking at murlok.io and noticed that wox has remnant of darkness equipped

anyone know what the hell that man is cooking?

[trim pond]

im sitting at 19% hase and 18% crit, i just feel weak lol

do i just start playing HO LOL?

[frail veldt]

wdym

whats wrong with 19% haste and 18% crit

[trim pond]

feels weak idk.

[frail veldt]

lol

what does that even mean

number too smol?

[trim pond]

yeah

[frail veldt]

yeh idk thats a perspective problem

vers should be the only stat you care about seeing big number

[gaunt phoenix]

you have like 21% mastery at 0 rating

u should look at rating not the percentage

[trim pond]

whats the general rule for RTB in HO? Roll on CD unless you have 4 or more?

[gaunt phoenix]

correct

[craggy barn]

it was one of his first myth trinkets from vault early on in the season, and most of our trinkets are meh anyways

i think its uncapped aoe too? so its not a bad trinket

[shell lava]

im still really new to outlaw so forgive the dumb question lol . when in subterfuge are you using ambush or sinister strike? im using the KIR trickster build

[gaunt phoenix]

Kir doesnt use ambush

You use SS and pistol shot and blade flurry (in aoe) mainly

The kir build changes between SS and PS depending on combo points and whether broadside is active

You generally PS when you wont overcap cps with it, or if you have 6 stacks

The #outlaw-faq talks about optimizing PS a bit

[shell lava]

thank you for the answer ! ive been looking through that as well but didnt see ambush mentioned but i guess thats why. thats on me for not realizing that lol

[marble sorrel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[covert kestrel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[manic kestrel]

hey guys what happened to outlaw for it to be a equal to assa suddenly?

[craggy barn]

/macro

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[craggy barn]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[glass mortar]

rather large bugfix

[manic kestrel]

i had stopped playing for a few weeks and was shocked (and happy) to see outlaw so high in m+

[buoyant orchid]

am i fucking up when pressing KS?, but sometimes i feel like it hits once or twice and it stops

[quaint sable]

If the target dies

it stops

[buoyant orchid]

its not that

had it happen on bosses to

[gaunt phoenix]

it scales w combo points

also if you are rooted or if any mob nearby is evading it will stop

[errant arrow]

If you don't faze the target first, they can parry you and stop your killing spree

[vivid vessel]

can you actually stealth while you go down in the rp of top after first boss

i was able to press roll

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKlPR-ij14omFEb_befI5HbZjUuJH5efQ?si=T94t1KjjqK7kELcZ

here i press rtb right before falling down

surely that mean you can stealth

maybe im the onyl guy so stupid that never realised it tho

and everyone been stealthing

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

why are we ytapping in bnet dm's

fuck it

come her

here

btw zac if anyhting they buffed bleeds alot

rupture dmg increased

this 15% from 10

[vivid vessel]

dont yap about assa in here

im going sleep anyway

we can continue yapping tomorrow

[proven ocean]

?????????????

[next wedge]

am i right for thinking when we hit traps in priory in KS it doesnt do anything

[vivid vessel]

ks clear all roots

ye

[stuck patrol]

Isn't it more accurate that it makes us immune to roots? Pretty sure you can't KS if you're already rooted

At least I can't with the root in FG

[next wedge]

you can

like in FG, you KS and it clears the root

[stuck patrol]

?????

[vivid vessel]

you can

[next wedge]

but it doesnt go thru bc it's bugged with that one specifically

[vivid vessel]

the root in ks is weird tho

that one is bugged

it just cancel ks

for some reason

[stuck patrol]

FG root you mean?

[vivid vessel]

but every ohter root you will clear it

[ripe ibex]

it gets reapplied if you vanish too

[vivid vessel]

in fg i mean the bolt thing

[stuck patrol]

That's so fucking odd

And here I haven't been using KS on other roots because of FG

Thanks blizz

[fathom bramble]

it's usually only roots that have a bonus effect that bug it out

like how the nailed to the floor thing is a dot that applies a root

as opposed to a root that does damage over time

if that makes seense

[stuck patrol]

Also just for the sake of the protest:

Rework killing spree, remove UHUH. Ty realz

[stuck patrol]

Yeah, it's just weird and dumb

[next wedge]

you also dont take dmg from the DFC mobs that do that big AOE circle in the 1st trash area if u are KS during it

like not even staggered dmg

bc the cc does the dmg but u cant be cc'd in KS

[fathom bramble]

this is also true with vanish and presumably any other slow immune

vanish slow immune is only 1 second though

so it can be sketchy

[next wedge]

only 1 second tho right

yea

u still do take dmg from seaforium traps tho

[stuck patrol]

LMAO nice

[next wedge]

so there is some unique fun tech despite how horrible the spell is otherwise

blizz if ur seeing this i DO NOT want to keep KS around

[fathom bramble]

imagine they rework KS and leave the slow immune in as a weird relic

[stuck patrol]

Tbh if they want killing spree to be like it is, it should be full CC and damage immunity for the duration, and for one second after

[fathom bramble]

like it's not even on the tooltip anymore and hasn't beeen for years

[stuck patrol]

Otherwise please kill it

[fathom bramble]

but it still does it

[next wedge]

id like for it to stop making me dizzy if im honest

i hate using it in the hallway in rookery

it's so disorienting

[fathom bramble]

"I can't watch your stream I'm getting dizzy"

[stuck patrol]

Strangely enough with all my sensory issues, KS doesn't bother me

[fathom bramble]

I got that one the other week streaming raid to discord

[next wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-for-you-olivia-rodrigo-good4u-song-thats-good-for-you-good-job-gif-21640278

[stuck patrol]

But yeah, with how much blizzard has been more accessibility friendly lately, I'm surprised it's still the way it is

[fathom bramble]

you can also hatee KS even if it doeesn't make you dizzy

[next musk]

what is everyone using for raid build? HO or KiR?

[next wedge]

depends on the boss

tbh i just go on warcraft logs for each boss and copy the top player's builds

[next musk]

thanks

[stuck patrol]

Me

[next lava]

Should I swap nightfall curseblade's to gallywix's iron thumb(671)?

[next wedge]

for what

[stuck patrol]

Sim it

[vivid vessel]

ye paladin use their things

[next wedge]

death's advance i assume too

[fathom bramble]

I don't think deaths advance is a slow immune

it's a knockback immune and a minimum movement speed

[fathom bramble]

but I'm pretty suree you can still be afflicted with slows

[gaunt phoenix]

this looks like 8 target patchwerk, where the nightfall reset thing with vanish doesnt actually work

Cudgel always wins on trash so you dont really need to sim it

[next lava]

ty

[next wedge]

but not in boss fights in raid or M+

cudgel is only good on non boss trash like in M+

but you cant weapon swap gally thumb in M+

[uncut epoch]

@prime cloud how do I use killing spree?

[sudden flicker]

carefully

[proven ocean]

[stuck patrol]

Just press it, scream HELP ME HEALERS HELP HELP HELP in voice right after, then continue as normal

You press it on CD unless you will lose adr soon and vanish is going to be available/is available

[craggy barn]

MOAB DOWN

HUGE

crit haste ring sadge

[quaint delta]

is there a dumb trick on visions when playing HO? feels like 50% of the time vanish just resets the boss im fighting

[fathom bramble]

you have to vanish and IMMEDIATELY press a skill and even then it can be inconsistent

but if you use something like Vanish - BTE macro it 'should'

[uncut epoch]

[fathom bramble]

give you better results than 50/50

as long as you press it while not in a global cooldown

[quaint delta]

thanks

[next wedge]

yea i failed an 8 mask run today due to reseting alleria

feels bad

[stuck patrol]

8 mask feels almost impossible as rogue, at least with mage quarter

Most of my orb uses end up being in mage quarter if not all of them, assuming I don't get destroyed instantly

[vapid sundial]

Basically nothing new

Mage was the worst in Bfa

I Mena, 5 mask was whatever but yeah.

[next wedge]

i just make sure to nuke down the mindflay fear guys

liberal use of cloak and evasion helps too

[craggy barn]

killed moab now i gotta play sin 🙂

[frank finch]

u dont

[next wedge]

mythic HoC

[craggy barn]

ye

i technically coulda just gotten myth priory instead, but m hoc is nice to have for when i play sub for fun

[next wedge]

i dont think the other rogue specs are fun

carpal tunnel spec only way i can have fun

i need my adhd meds

[stuck patrol]

These guys aren't even the issue for me, the issue is the infinite little guys that keep spawning which makes hogger keep spawning every 30 seconds, and their deaths buffing the damage of everything I pull multiple times

And I can't stealth through much because flesh pool things, and I can only cloak once every 2 mins

I wish there was a route where I could get out of that tiny corridor faster, because it's absolute hell

[craggy barn]

i play all 3, mostly outlaw, but i swap when bored

[lost folio]

my parses for my ilvl in raid are shit and i don't know how to make them better

[next wedge]

i believe they do log reviews

[jaunty notch]

I found pulling the first pack entering in mage quarter out into the canals using cloak of shadows and then going left the easiest way

[tranquil folio]

sorry if this is a commonly asked question but does anyone have a weak aura they recommend for using roll the bones for this season with 4 set and supercharger?

[stuck patrol]

Thanks, I'll give this strategy a whirl

You do it as outlaw yeah?

[jaunty notch]

Yeah I've done 8 mask on outlaw

I used cloak in the first tunnel to make the casters come up it into the canal area to avoid most of the little corruptions and from there you can basically avoid the rest in stealth by going left

[lost folio]

is there a special way to request that?

[compact smelt]

yo how much further ahead is HO than KIR in raid?

is it only a small damage difference?

[thorny spruce]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[compact smelt]

tyty

[covert kestrel]

Type !log and put your log in there, although its just for whoever is on and wants to look at it so ymmv

[lost folio]

!log

[mellow nimbus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[river wren]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[cedar kernel]

gm brothers

[river wren]

Hi !

[glass mortar]

gm bac

[sudden fulcrum]

[rapid ore]

do you need to get out fight for weapon swap in m+?

[glass mortar]

no

weapon swapping in combat costs a gcd tho

u can also cast it during kspree after the initial gcd has ended

[rapid ore]

ok nice ty

[buoyant orchid]

do you guys have like a wa that can show what your equipped weapons are? sometimes i forget to swap the mace out of my hand on bosses

[rapid ore]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[buoyant orchid]

this is perfect

are there any bossses that you still want the mace equipped? like big momma in flod?

[slim fern]

Why everyone wears this low ilvl weapon ?

do we have to swap it at bosses?

[buoyant orchid]

the effect procs everytime u use vanish on trash in m+

[uneven needle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tender wedge]

Doesn’t work in boss fights since you don’t drop combat

[next wedge]

does anyone have any sims of single button assistant vs normal play

for any class

[vague cape]

There were pins for it a while back on the sin / sub channels

I watched a video clip of it for outlaw, it’s really bad

[next wedge]

one of my friends is asking about how good it is in comparison i just wanted to be able to give some numbers

i bet it's awful on outlaw

[torpid fiber]

It varies between specs as well

[vivid vessel]

For outlaw no matter how optimized it gets

20% less gcd

Is approximately 20/30% less damage

Just that alone

But then rn it also doesn't press vanish nor ADR so the current iteration is pretty much terrible

But like if you look at what we have in the simple rotation faq

Implementing this is legit super easy for them

It's really not hard

And this already gets you to 90/95%

[red zinc]

I mean yeah they dont want it to press cds but these buttons are so un-CD like that they really should at it

[obsidian walrus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rotund zodiac]

Good for first boss DFC ngl

[red zinc]

ye

thats the only boss you use it

[vague cape]

lowkey

it might play sin decently outside of cds

inb4 it doesn't go to 7cp for dn

[kind otter]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[kind otter]

!ss

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[kind otter]

whats the sinister strike macro?

does this work? /cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, stance:1/2/3] Ambush ; Sinister Strike

[fallen falcon]

Is the dungeon slices on raidbot good for outlaw?

[tender wedge]

Yep

[fallen falcon]

Ok thank you. And do you know why some of the top outlaws plays house of cards in dungeon?

If im not wrong, mastery is shit on outlaw no?

[hollow temple]

for some on demand damage, its decent trinket ig

all trinkets are pretty weak this season

[fallen falcon]

But vexie’s trinket isnt better for on demand damage?

[strong cargo]

There is no impactfull trinket for aoe for outlaw, so House of cards is decent to gain aoe (for KiR builds). I have no idea how much of a difference it can make compared to keys/magnet

[hollow temple]

thats just a dmg effect

[fallen falcon]

So all trinkets can be good this season in dungeon right?

[restive charm]

no!

[jolly geyser]

pacemaker and some other good trinket

[fast axle]

Guys some time i press BTE by mistake when its on colldown
are we have any macro for < if i press BTE by mistake when its on colldown < Its pressing Dispatch instet of the BTE

[fallen falcon]

Right now trinkets I have on 684: magnet, conductor wax, keys, pacemaker, signet of priory.

Wich ones should I use in dungeon?

[torpid fiber]

Not possible

[fast axle]

Yep i search evry where 😄

[torpid fiber]

Macros can't be aware of cooldowns

[fallen knot]

if macros dont exist anymore as far as i'm aware

[torpid fiber]

not outside of stances, yeah

you can still have stealth macros and that's basically it

[sick monolith]

I mean you could just macro dispatch below bte right? and it should work? it doesnt have to be aware of the cooldowns they just have to be in the right order

[fast axle]

what stealth Macro doing exacly ?

[torpid fiber]

Can't have two gcd abilities in a macro like that

[sick monolith]

Yeah you cannot have them to work together but if the goal is either one or the other

[torpid fiber]

means you can do one thing if you're in stealth and another if you're not

Doesn't work properly though for our purposes due to stance swap delay

[torpid fiber]

The macro just doesn't work