outlaw

[red zinc]

Ive been cloaking it

[glass mortar]

LOL

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

wtf a new alien again

this shit never ends

[glass mortar]

?

[red zinc]

Movie

[glass mortar]

what do i get for dinner guys

[red zinc]

indian

[glass mortar]

ooooooooooo

[red zinc]

lamb biryani

[glass mortar]

its been awhile since i had some garlic naan

[red zinc]

When I go to indian restaurant

i get onion bhaji and biryani

Always

So peak

[vivid vessel]

ths new alien look sick !

[red zinc]

never watched any

I hate gore

[vivid vessel]

its not gore

[violet ferry]

but he invented internet

[vivid vessel]

its like

soft horror

or whatever

just scifi

[red zinc]

bro I watched that until dawn movie with the boys

[vivid vessel]

scifi soft horror ?

[red zinc]

Like based on the game or whatever

that was unnecessary gore spam

like the concept is that they gotta live through the whole night in a timeloop or whatever

one of the nights they drink water that makes parts of their body blow up

Like who thinks of that

[vivid vessel]

hm

idk if i ever watched a gore movie

like where the plot is gore

[red zinc]

I mean it wasnt the plot

[vivid vessel]

appart from human centipede

but i dont een remember that

[red zinc]

But alot of movies use it as their scare factor

[vivid vessel]

i was too young

[red zinc]

And i just think thats dunb

sinister best horror movie oat

[vivid vessel]

idk

[violet ferry]

What's the highest DPS opening track?

[vivid vessel]

i think horror movies are like

my favorite genre

excpet

it only worked

on the first 2/3 i watched

then it wasnt the same ever again

[red zinc]

did u watch sinister or nah

[vivid vessel]

prolly ye

i watched all the classcis

had a friend that was into horror a lot back in the days

[red zinc]

great movie and then they made a second one where the scary guy popped up way too much

Started laughing at how stupid he looked eventually

[vivid vessel]

ye

[chilly pebble]

heads will roll

[vivid vessel]

implied horror is much better

idk if i watched sinister actually

i will take a look

[final trout]

if at 4 stacks of EB, in subterfuge, and <5 CP do we send coup or SS for BtE? assuming no fth / deft available

(pretty sure advanced tips says yes but wanna check)

[red zinc]

You dont coup in subt

ever

[final trout]

so its better to SS, even if we have UB ready?

[chilly pebble]

i feel like coup has some animation lock whenever i use it

[red zinc]

That is what the sims and faq indicate yes

I couldnt tell you why but the goobers looked into it extensively

[vivid vessel]

it kinda does

its a longer gcd

[final trout]

interesting, thanks

[vivid vessel]

.2 longer

[chilly pebble]

i knew it felt weird

tbh my dps also feels weird as in im doing alot less then i feel like i should

[latent panther]

Is there an add on people to use to capture GCD efficiency?

[red zinc]

lot of factors to this, all you can really do is keep practicing and seeing if theres improvement

If your AR uptime is really low (sub 70) then you can upload a log and probably have people find clear errors

but the higher it goes the harder it becomes to find stuff so its a lil rough

[chilly pebble]

not sure how much my AR uptime is tbh just know that on ST i do like 1.4mil with 654

in dungeons it varies alot on pull and aoes etc

[covert kestrel]

you can see overall AR uptime for dungeons in the buffs tab of details

[chilly pebble]

oh i see i will check that next runs

[long barn]

Is logs capable to telling you how many GCDs are missed during combat in M+

[glass mortar]

if you hgad 100% uptime then active % shows it

but it doesnt distinguish between downtime and just not pressing gcds so

idk if theres another way'

[long barn]

Could be a cool stat to track just like the ADR uptime

Also does anyone have suggestions on strap master.

When he flies around ADR drops and bones buffs. Kinda sucks

Are people saving a vanish?

[random stirrup]

Strap master

[glass mortar]

it always happens at the same time so

u can hold an adr to cast after

[red zinc]

Can save a vanish or see if you dont refresh AR

[glass mortar]

if timing just doesnt wor kout u can vanish it yea just keep in mind vanish will break on his damage tick when he lands

can anyone explain to me why this mechanic exists btw

its not even like a phase thing. he just does it once a fight

and nothing happens

it doesnt even do real damage

xd

[random stirrup]

I mean technically it is a phase thing

[glass mortar]

take off and have everyone afk for 10s while nothing happens

[random stirrup]

He spawns more bombs after

[glass mortar]

i guess but like

idk it just feels very weird. he starts a p2 like 1m into the fight?

[long barn]

It is kinda like… why lol

[glass mortar]

and the intermission is just u afk for 10s

[random stirrup]

It really isn’t that annoying unless you’re specifically outlaw

[long barn]

So we are voting to hold a RtB over a vanish

[glass mortar]

and then never phases again

[long barn]

Vanish does break

[glass mortar]

cant think of many bosses like that

[thorny spruce]

Yo chat what rogue spec plays the best with aug? Or are they all 3 bad?

[glass mortar]

why r u holding RtB i mean the intermission is like 10 or 15s? if ur buffs time out then rtb is probably off cd anyway

and if it is and u send it itll be off cd again before ur buffs time out

[long barn]

Sorry I mean ADR

[glass mortar]

dont cast it as hes flying away i guess but its not a big deal

AH that makes more sense

if the timing works out and u can hold adr without incuring serious adr downtime then yea def hold it

he flies at the same time every pull

[long barn]

Like restarting is slow AF

[glass mortar]

doesnt always work out tho

so u want to at least have a vanish for when it doesnt

[long barn]

I like your thinking

Basically have 1 of the 2

I could work that out

[glass mortar]

only time its rlly bad is if u get first bombs tbh

[long barn]

Yea

[glass mortar]

the timing is so tight that u tend to lose adr to first bombs, have it back but be unable to farm it before he flies

cause its like 20s after? less

its fukin awful

but what can u do

[long barn]

I see both specs HO and KIR on top of meters

[slate plaza]

vanish wearts off

not worth

hell pull you into subterfuge

[glass mortar]

ye if im vanishing i usually pair it with cloak

and vanish several seconds into intermission

so it only breaks to his last pound

u dont really need cloak for anything else on the fight so

[red zinc]

From what

is there dmg on mythic

[slate plaza]

idk waht it is

he just does

[glass mortar]

im pretty sure theres very light ticking damage for the intermission

but thats why i was like why does this phase exist

if there is any its so low u dont even see ur hp bar move

with healers just chill healing

[strong cargo]

You can vanish all phase long, unless someone burned a trash, then all raid have stacks of the ticking debuff and then it will pull you out of stealth. If you didn't burn any trash before intermission, you can safely vanish and will take no damage

[woeful otter]

！wa

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[brave bronze]

How is outlaw from bfa version? More fun / less fun?

[proven ocean]

10x faster

10x less forgiving

Still fun but

Killingspree is killing the fun

Bad spell

Every outlaw in the game hates it

Unless some squared head guy shows up “YEA BUT I LIKE IT XDD”

(No you dont)

[frail veldt]

People who say they like KS are either liars, bad, or havent used it recently

(or pvpers)

[fathom bramble]

yeah I was about to say

it's basically always been fun in pvp

from cata to now

[errant arrow]

if killing spree wasn't killing myself spree, it would be fun

[proven ocean]

Pvp has no dungeon mechanics

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[proven ocean]

Or raid mechanics

[fathom bramble]

it neeeds to be a pvp talent imo

[proven ocean]

So it cant go wrong

Ye

[fathom bramble]

or a pvp talent that enhances KS to be more like it is now

and less like however they fix it

[nocturne folio]

think gta 6 comes out or ks gets fixed first?

think on it, gta has 2 trailers

[proven ocean]

Tough one

[nocturne folio]

maybe those happen at the same time and no one plays gta 6 cause everyone is playing outlaw

gonna be sick

[fathom bramble]

another thing I find interesting is that when you press the issue when someone claims to like KS it's almost always just about the damage it use to do

[dawn talon]

star citizen will release before they do something about ks

[fathom bramble]

literally any spell with any design could be liked through that lense if you just care about how hard it hits

[dawn talon]

hey sometimes it's "old = good"

[fathom bramble]

true

there is also the very rare person that actually likes the teleport

and wants you to need to play around it

or maybe it's just people trolling me who knows

[nocturne folio]

The spell still does something interesting and unique. just happens to be cancer in 99% of m+/raid settings

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's certainly unique

[brave lagoon]

has anyone killed alleria on 8 masks with outlaw, this bitch is like 90% interrupt/LoS/waiting. idk how to even manage this fight

[fathom bramble]

everything else in the game with the same or similar flaws has been toned down or removed from the game by now

[frail veldt]

Honestly the fuck were they thinking

THEY NERFED CC

And added casts

Like what

[jaunty notch]

Yes, it's just a slow burn fight, just abuse pillars and never let her cast polymorph even if you have to grapple in and out of fire real quick

[brave lagoon]

I'm always LoS'ing to get rid of the eye but she'll just happily cast polymorph from the other side, and you can't LoS the cast

idk I'm just raging the more I try lol

I'm already getting pissed enough by umbric and his never ending casts

either kick missiles or kick polymorph, but can't do both

[jaunty notch]

It was like a 3 min fight for me, just can't let her poly even if she is on the other side of the room

[brave lagoon]

yeah I'm trying again, once I get rid of umbric and his dogshit casts

can't vanish this boss lmao he just nopes away

[jaunty notch]

I went in with 2 orbs + the free life and only used 1 orb on her

Yeah it sucks that you can't use vanish reliably

I also made sure I had the 10% damage buff from the Dwarven district whenever I tried her

[brave lagoon]

just wasted my res on umbric and I just wan to smash my desk

[jaunty notch]

Yeah I found Umbric way more annoying to deal with than alleria tbh

[brave lagoon]

yeah it's either polymorph, or eat 3-4 ticks of -75 sanity channel

[silver sluice]

240 priory interrupts kills the soul to look at

[old gull]

yea im kind of at a loss

[brave lagoon]

I'm on my last side zone I'll try again in a few minutes

no rez tho, but it's kinda pointless vs her

if you die and rez, the few seconds you stand still is enough for the eye to drain you half the sanity you recover anyway

not counting if she does any ability while the rez is going on

[sullen walrus]

do we use ambush in kir build?

[torpid fiber]

No

[strong cargo]

Never.

[brave lagoon]

okay the secret technique is just to complain like a baby

never doing this shit ever again

had like half the polymorph casts I usually had to deal with, she cast the pull chains twice instead

[stoic stirrup]

Are there any tips in M+ for just… being better and avoiding tunnel vision?

[novel rose]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wicked sigil]

Is there a serious way to find someone who look at my logs? Im 674 and perform so poor in M+. Yes, of course i read all the guides and i think i get it. But maybe someone can get me a little hint where my worst mistakes are. I like the playstyle and dont like to change the class.

[cinder oxide]

YIPPEE!!!! YIPPEE!!!

[stuck timber]

Gz

[stuck timber]

Well, I am not an expert, and this is my first season as an outlaw but I am usually top damage in pugs and we have the same ilvl so maybe I can help

[late swallow]

If you type !log, it’ll open a chat that you can drop your log link into

Peeps usually just jump in and help if they’re around

[torpid fiber]

wowanalyser also mostly works now for HO I believe

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah wowanalyzer is pretty good for HO. it doesnt know some things like low coup or PS in stealth with 1 cp + bs + 6 stacks

if you !log, i can look at it in the morning

[stuck timber]

Guys can I ask something? My raid parses are kinda bad because of doing mechanics expires my adrenaline rush I think. What can I do to improve my parses? I am doing really good in m+ but do less damage then cleave build paladins and I didn't even know why

[wicked sigil]

Thx a lot for u great help and the people who PM me. I got help from Ethereal-Alan who helped a lot^^

[grim spear]

Is there something wrong with fatebound? Is its st sim really similar to trick?

feels quite different when I actually play it.

[wintry solar]

I imagine the lack of danger would do that

[teal garnet]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[craggy barn]

its similar to trickster in pure st situations
as soon as u introduce 1 more mob to hit, fb loses damage bc of how the coin works

[grim spear]

But the difference is much bigger than I expected.

When I use trick, my damage is like 10% higher and also more consistent.

[craggy barn]

kir fb?

[grim spear]

yep

[random stirrup]

dumb question but are you doing the fatebound specific minmaxes

mainly vanish

[grim spear]

I might not be super clean on all the minmaxes, but I think I do know how to play fatebound.

[random stirrup]

time to roll lucky coin more then bozo

[grim spear]

last gally fight

I feel like I played this pull pretty well, but the result wasn't very satisfying.

[random stirrup]

gally has a lot of adds though

[grim spear]

i know

[random stirrup]

you might be able to roughly calculate the damage lost by having adds near the boss

about half the damage dealt to adds by fateintertwined

delivered doom is a bit harder

maybe just like see how much dps you gain by increasing tails dmg by 10% or something

kinda weird since target counts are variable

[grim spear]

During prog I played Trick a few times too, and I feeled the difference was even over 10%.

But later our RL didn’t let me play Trick anymore.

bc ks got me killed a few times.

[random stirrup]

could very well be i doubt many are playing fatebound to test rn

[shell lava]

do you guys have a preference out of the wa's packages that are listed?

[gaunt phoenix]

zaccc

[cinder relic]

Mine

[dusty mulch]

I am killing myself constantly using Killing spree on Flarendo

[vapid sundial]

Yeah, @fathom bramble I havent seen an actual reason as to why someone likes KS.

For me it's always 'its the only spell we have that has an animation'

Which playing rogue for flashy animations seems counter productive

[fathom bramble]

that's also something that can be preserved in a version of KS that doesn't kil you

[vapid sundial]

I just think if your goal is to have cool animations

you are playing the wrong class

rogue should be subtle and not very flashy if you want to fit the class fantasy

like hm yes, im supposed to be a stealthy boy, but let me set off this 10kg of fireworks

[lime lake]

he says while firing his fully automatic blunderbuss

[vapid sundial]

its not flashy

[fathom bramble]

I think there's a lot of room for flashy animations betweeen outlaw/sub/sin

[vapid sundial]

cant hear if ur drowned out and dead

[lime lake]

flamboyant pirate could definitely be what outlaw is with flashy animations

its not what it is though

[vapid sundial]

no

blizz said we arent pirates

[fathom bramble]

but also killing spree is like

not a good animation

especially when it plays 11 times in 3 seconds

[vapid sundial]

like what animation

you jumping around and unable to see whats going on

[fathom bramble]

animations that you can at least see would be fitting

[lime lake]

sub could also have visually striking animations with shadow/void themes

like kyveza

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[lime lake]

but i gave up on stuff like that long ago

[fathom bramble]

it would be like a nice bonus to me

but there's just a lot of stuff I care about more

dispatch animation is still broken with fist weapons btw

pointing my bladefist at the ground 👌

[cinder relic]

Lots of people like killing Spree for it being just an old spell

The animation is cool, even if it's practical use is terrible

I mean go look at wowhead comments on every article I talk about it

There's a lot of people adamant it's great

[vapid sundial]

Being able to delude themselves.

[random stirrup]

zac

[cinder relic]

I mean csn call it delusion cope Stockholm syndrome whatever

They still exist even if their opinions are bad and wrong

[vapid sundial]

which is unfort

cuz blizz sees that

[fathom bramble]

my point was moreso that they don't generally have an opinion about killing spree that relies on the flaws with it

[bright crane]

Just make it a glyph rofl

[cinder relic]

As there are ways to keep the spirit of ks while making it functionally not the worst spell ever made

[bright crane]

Ez and done

Moving vs not

[fathom bramble]

but are rather talking about something that has nothing to do with what is wrong with KS like it matters

[proven ocean]

[cinder relic]

Ya

[fathom bramble]

like saying KS is good because animation

or good because you can/could kill people out of the air

[proven ocean]

Do u guys ever sleep

[fathom bramble]

but these are results of pressing it that have nothing to do with the flawed functions and only with the outcome of tuning or other design

now I have seen the odd person that is seemingly whole heartedly defending the teleport and lockdown

but to be honest when they are posting either through a medium that makes it impossible to tell if they are any good(wowhead) or are using an alt on the wow forums I just think they are more likely to be a troll instead of someone that actually plays outlaw

[lime lake]

either trolls or someone whos genuinely just never done content where it would even put them in danger

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-buster-baxter-bunny-you-really-think-someone-would-do-that-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies-gif-17527378

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's why I said people who like KS are either lying, bad, or haven't used it recently

A lot of people think they like t

But aren't even playing rogue right now

[vapid sundial]

Playing with friends and they go 'its not that bad'

and its just like

do you play rogue?

Loss-of-Control effects just fucking blow.

They are not fun and never have been.

Or other friend goes 'outlaw doesnt care about restealths at all'

[proven ocean]

It does care but its not a time gain

So its not worth giving an outlaw restealth usually

Sin however is alright

I hate sin restealths most of the time

Mostly not worth the time

[gloomy pasture]

Ho or kir? The more i search the more idk, i see so many diffrent answers

[wicked obsidian]

Rouge is unimportant and and they will not touch it and usually it becomes always broken then because they bug something. Blizz doesn't care about melee classes at all, they only care about Palas (not really a melee class imho), Mages, Warlocks, properly that are the only classes someone in this company plays

[wintry solar]

Bros stuck in bfa/sl

[gaunt phoenix]

play them both and see what you like

[cinder relic]

I wouldn't say thats true

[vapid sundial]

It's more so the 5% pulls

Where you can wait 1-2s

Idm if it's at 30% or w/e

[gloomy pasture]

?

[cinder relic]

HO

[vapid sundial]

Preference

But ho is less annoying as a new player

[fossil lintel]

Wait, sin restealth is not a time gain?

[vapid sundial]

Reread what he said

[fossil lintel]

He said it's mostly not worth the time

[gloomy pasture]

So the difference is not that big?

[fossil lintel]

I guess for cleave build, on bleed build I feel gimped without it

[gaunt phoenix]

play them both and see what you like

they are not significantly different

in output

ho is way easier i think

rtb rule and builder priority is very simple

ho is a bit more susceptible to being rng fucked

[fossil lintel]

The uptime on buffs for kir feel so nice, but then it balances out with the 4x SS during stealth window

[gaunt phoenix]

while kir in aoe is more consistent

[wicked obsidian]

maybe not, but Blizz gives me this feelings. Because also with warriors, Monks it takes also always ages until they fix them. And this situation with KS is ridiculous. I mean it's a spell what is mandatory for a complete hero tree and included in the rotation, but it's impossible to use it in some complete encounters of the raid or in many situations in m+. It's like when you create a new car but you can't use the brakes in a tunnel or on a bridge...

[vapid sundial]

To the choir, man.

We are all blue in the face about it

[gaunt phoenix]

ks changes being deferred to the next tier or whatever is interesting

like what are they working on

[vapid sundial]

1s per CP and not hasted

gg

[agile orchid]

Surely they have something big prepared for rogue next tier

[fossil lintel]

I think we may get a lot of changes to outlaw soonish, Ian called out the spec specifically no?

[gloomy pasture]

Got it. Thanks

[vapid sundial]

It's mostly outlaw that has been left in this dirt situation

[agile orchid]

He just called outlaw as an example of a spec that is difficult to play without WAs

[vapid sundial]

sin got a lot of love more recently and sub is almost always the best spec i feel

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, which means they'll likely try to simplify the spec

[wicked obsidian]

but in my opinion it's a huge game design fail what impacts the playability of the game at should be one of the highest priority... doesn't matter if it's only affect a class what is played by 0.1%...

[vapid sundial]

you mean kill the outlaw playerbase

xd

[agile orchid]

Maybe they will get rid of rtb

[fossil lintel]

But KS aside, outlaw is currently a well oiled machine

[agile orchid]

Yeah, only KS needs fixing

[vapid sundial]

Legit if they just changed / removed ks and did something else for our HT it would be fine

that is the only problem

[agile orchid]

And maybe they should have another look at fatebound

[fossil lintel]

I don't see where they could simplify the spec without butchering it

[vapid sundial]

Removing energy smile

[fossil lintel]

Or I guess returning to pre crack shot era

[cinder relic]

I think the reality is that every single spec in the game can complain about ""being neglected""

[agile orchid]

There is no reason to touch crackshot

[cinder relic]

OTher than like, whoever got their rework last

[vapid sundial]

shamans cant complain

for like

a very long time

[fossil lintel]

Mages can't complain

[agile orchid]

They will probably take a look at all the buffs outlaw has to track

[cinder relic]

Every class has a handful of issues that when you play them a lot, begin to sprout up

[agile orchid]

Rtb is probably the most egregious

[cinder relic]

Like ret paladins hero talent just hits immune mobs

So on mugzee, or gallywix, similar to outlaw with fatebound just loses a lot of damage in situations such as those

[vapid sundial]

is ret just sphaget

[agile orchid]

Tracking AR or BF is not that big of a deal

[cinder relic]

No, but every spec has its issues

Is more the point I'm getting at

[vapid sundial]

You barely track bf

at this point just make it a toggle

[agile orchid]

Exactly

[wintry solar]

We could be like unholy and just get told no

[agile orchid]

Only the rtb gameplay is difficult for newbies

[fossil lintel]

Don't kill my deft

[cinder relic]

KS is really fucked though, KS has gotta go

[vapid sundial]

the main reason I want them to remove it

is so this doesnt happen again

remove teh mine

[fossil lintel]

Rtb is a lot simpler than in the past though

[agile orchid]

Yes but it’s unintuitive

[vapid sundial]

This is the 3rd time since I've started playing that they have tried to force KS.

Everytime has been ass.

[cinder relic]

How is RTB unintuitive?

[fossil lintel]

Container

[cinder relic]

Container is a KiR issue

[wintry solar]

I think he implied, if anything, he wants to make it less complex. Not necessarily easier.

[vapid sundial]

Mid SL, Early DF, and now

[cinder relic]

Or at least an issue that mainly affects kir

and yeah, KiR is dumb I don't like it

It enables all the stupid container shit

[agile orchid]

let's say you are a new player and you don't look at wowhead guides

you simply read the tooltips in game

can you deduce the rules for rerolling?

[vapid sundial]

I am 99% sure blizzard expects people to read guides at this point

[cinder relic]

If you are a new player and dont look at a wowhead guide are you able to figure out fire mages rotation?

[agile orchid]

you can't even find out what the roll buffs do without rolling them and mousing over them

[fossil lintel]

Frost dk kind of plays itself

[wintry solar]

I think Ion said this word for word and is part of why they're adding the rotation helper

[cinder relic]

Some classes do, I'd say broadly speaking ret paladin u can kinda figure out whats optimal just by playing it

[agile orchid]

you could probably play it at a basic level, without the min maxing ofc

[vapid sundial]

Because they expect people to read guides, but this is for those who dont?

wtf

why did it

[wicked obsidian]

yes sure, but if it comes to raw numbers tuning i have the feeling that are are always very fast with fixing mage, palas and locks, and the rest they are like let's wait and see... i mean also the target caps design is crazy... why introduce it but for some classes then not...

[cinder relic]

With current RTB, u dont really need freat RTB logic to "play it at a basic level"

[vapid sundial]

was meant for the man above

[cinder relic]

I mean this just isn't true

[fossil lintel]

If you put a cat in front of a touch screen and make stuff pop up as they become available for Ret, the cat could play optimally

[cinder relic]

Realistically speaking, warlock has been "okay" for the past like, 5 raids

There hsn't been an insane warlock tier in awhile

For raid anyway

[agile orchid]

yeah

[vapid sundial]

I replied above but discord had a moment

[wintry solar]

Ope nvm

[agile orchid]

current tier is just very good for their damage profile

[cinder relic]

Warlock is good this tier cuz cauldron,a nd OAB

[agile orchid]

but performance wise they are not crazy

[cinder relic]

Which like, is fine lol

Its okay for classes to have good fights

[vapid sundial]

I just wish blizz was faster at taking feedback

and didnt leave something to rot like the random stick of butter in the back of the fridge.

[agile orchid]

unfortunately this time around they didn't bother with class changes at all in the mid patches

it's just casual timegated content

[crimson thicket]

we got some BIG UPPIES from reclear tonight, got magnet with speed and bilgerat pants, and perforator

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHFjSV8RqJJ8S9rpBv8Kkx

just need mugzee trinket and gally fist now

[vapid sundial]

I just gotta say

the fact that one button can push people off playing a spec

is not okay

[fossil lintel]

If I had to guess, I would say we'll likely lose perma AR. Every other time we had this design on other classes it was removed

[vapid sundial]

that siutation should never be able to happen

[wintry solar]

Doesn't breath of sindragosa play the same way?

[agile orchid]

not really

[lime lake]

not anymore

they removed perma breath

[fossil lintel]

It did, but now it lasts 30-40 sec

[agile orchid]

I would compare AR with fire mage combust

[fossil lintel]

On a 2 min cd

[wintry solar]

Oh okay

[vapid sundial]

the problem is

if they remove perma ar

they need to shift a lot of power around

[wintry solar]

I remember it did at one point. Thought it still was.

[vapid sundial]

bc you just arent a class without AR

[agile orchid]

yeah they need to increase energy regen

[vapid sundial]

rn

[agile orchid]

otherwise it's going to be awful to play

[fossil lintel]

Frost mage ice veins also had the same design in end of shadowlands early df, it was also removed

[vapid sundial]

I prefer none AR gameplay

I wont lie

but

[wintry solar]

Crazy how we were just fine without perma ar

[vapid sundial]

%

^

Bfa

SL

goated

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, perma AR came with crackshot

[agile orchid]

when should we expect the 11.2 ptr, maybe next week?

[fossil lintel]

The problem is that when it's possible, you get balanced around it

[wintry solar]

Uhuh tbh. If crackshot weren't a thing, something else would've taken its place.

[vapid sundial]

as much as I hate it

Move ER to the outlaw tree

idk

[fossil lintel]

Both uhuh and crackshot yeah

[wintry solar]

Uhuh crackshot and ace work in tandem

[vapid sundial]

Im gonna work your tandem

[wintry solar]

[wicked obsidian]

as i wrote, it's my feeling 🙂 and it will be everybody's feeling until someone takes the hard job and compare performances with tuning passes in the last years, what i guess rarely one will do...

[vapid sundial]

I wish lost ark wasnt so p2w so i could play that instead of wow

grrr

[wintry solar]

I also don't like feeling I have infinite energy 90% of the dungeon.

[cinder relic]

But ur feeling sare wrong is the issue

"You feel like warlock gets buffs every time its slightly weak"

This is a wrong feeling

You have made this up in your head

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-no-cat-no-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-gif-5478596456695677807

[cinder relic]

You are basing your judgement on something that isn't even true

[vapid sundial]

If anything thats mage

frfr

[wicked obsidian]

but you have the proof of it?

[vapid sundial]

what , mage being the poster child?

[cinder relic]

Proof that warlock doesn't get buffed every single time its underpowered?

[wintry solar]

Max wants to be the main character is all. Which I get tbh.

[fossil lintel]

I like perma AR, the shorter GCD is addicting

[crimson thicket]

everyone is the main character in their own life

❤️

[vapid sundial]

The fuck i am'

[cinder relic]

Heres warlock last tier

[vapid sundial]

my cat rules me

[cinder relic]

(notice rogue)

[crimson thicket]

destro top 10, point invalidated

nerf warlock

[cinder relic]

But warlock was a 1 of for prog, maybe a 2 of? For silken court

Right?

Like warlock wasn't the hero class this tier

[crimson thicket]

shaman is hero class

[hidden bay]

Warlock being op every tier is kinda legacy

Not true anymore

[cinder relic]

Heres amidrasil, warlock also not OP

[crimson thicket]

mage is the true baby blizzard spec

[fossil lintel]

No DK is hero class, and DH?

[cinder relic]

just kinda mid

not bad, but great

[crimson thicket]

@fossil lintel we have the same first name but fuk u

[cinder relic]

Its okay, u played it still cuz warlock utility is OP

[wintry solar]

Mage is hero class because they've been in every rwf ever

[fossil lintel]

Marvin is not my first name, was my nickname in college

[crimson thicket]

damn

[cinder relic]

Heres abberus, warlock was just good this tier, had great synergy with aug too

[crimson thicket]

well it is my first name i just outed myself

[fossil lintel]

I wouldn't use my first name on the internet

[crimson thicket]

i dont go by it IRL

no one will link marvin to me

[cinder relic]

Heres warlock in vault, was just okay

[fossil lintel]

Well, now it's forever in this discord history

[cinder relic]

I mean idk how to proove it past this really

[crimson thicket]

this guys linkin so many logs no one will even remember my name

[wintry solar]

I know how Guy

By giving me a crisp $5 bill

[crimson thicket]

ill take 2 bucks

and ill believe u

i believe u either way tbh

but 2 bucks would help out a lot

[vapid sundial]

Its bc warlock has 1 fight

where they really excel

and that sticks

[fossil lintel]

You can't fight feels with hard data

[vapid sundial]

thts literally it

[wintry solar]

The all you can eat buffet

[cinder relic]

U can also look at prog

There hasn't been a stack warlock tier in a long time

[fossil lintel]

Just nuh uh it guy

[wintry solar]

They should bring back bfa outlaw in its entirety tbh

Bte being a stun again is a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[fathom bramble]

Still annoyed that ineffable truth got cooldown recovery rate permanently reworked

And now we get like no benefit from it

They’ve also never given anyone enough cdrr to cause the kind of problems ineff could anyway

So it literally did not prevent any abuse by reworking it

[wintry solar]

Ineffable truth?

[fathom bramble]

The corruption

[stiff hawk]

The feeling that Warlock is Blizzard Babys Child was in SL iirc

[wintry solar]

Oh I remember

[fathom bramble]

Let you reach upwards of 300% cdrr for a short amount of time

And for the sin of paladins stunning too much in pvp we get to have an effect that should be strong for our cd focused spec

Just be perma shit

[jaunty fractal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[royal ermine]

idk why I still have this but

[fathom bramble]

Warlock was pretty consistently top 3 until the end of sl

Idk what happened

[stiff hawk]

Warlock was pretty dominant in Nathra and S3/4 in SL

SOD was bad

Also really good in M+

i think thats where the Narrative comes

[grim spear]

why are we talking about lock?

[peak holly]

hi guys, yall think its ok to swap the signet for the pacemakerwith the dinnars?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mgpg65htMxfEq8CsZSHaMF

[haughty wigeon]

yet another thing bfa ruined

[stuck patrol]

Guys I'm starting to think 8 mask solo is impossible for rogue in stormwind

Mage quarter just kills me every time no matter how careful I am

No matter the spec I play

[lethal otter]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[valid tartan]

Sadge vault

I remember the first two weeks life was good

Then blazzard got us

[ebon nimbus]

!log

[hasty warren]

yop

[dense bolt]

Gm

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

I have been saying dungeons are way worse interrupt wise, when ion litteraly said they wanted to tune down casts, I think they are just stupid

Mobs like the casters in rookery are not ok

You need a 3 people kick rotation on each mob

[leaden folio]

ramlu how I start a copy pasta train

[vivid vessel]

And there is 3 per pack

Xd

[leaden folio]

raiderio is just a number, everybody over 3k (high raiderio) is at the same skill level. The only difference is the amount of time you put in the game and how lucky you are

[jolly geyser]

yes

[leaden folio]

ok you can copy ramlu

[subtle field]

in the rookery, for the parasol skip, can you just as outlaw jump down and grapple over? so like you stealth past the small adds and then jump the gap

[vivid vessel]

Ye I do that

It's way easier and you get down faster anyway

Than with parasol

You need to be on the little square thing left of your arrow

[subtle field]

ok thanks :=)

[subtle field]

how long does a full charged ks take?

[vivid vessel]

4s before haste

almost all of them are done

priests slacking fr fr

[civic void]

The church is feeling super confused probably

[vivid vessel]

[subtle field]

what about 19% haste? 19-20 ishj

[subtle field]

sometimes I just feel like its taking hella long. might be cause of supercharger?

[vivid vessel]

lag

can delay it

kek

[subtle field]

bruh, cause sometimes I do it, right before knowing a swirlie comes, the swirlie comes and it just takes ages, and then I have like 0,1 sec to react after im done

[red zinc]

bro

random ass rant but

Fuck that new event for being positioned right next to dummies

Causes insane input delay

cant therapeutically annihilate dummies anymore

[vivid vessel]

dummies are always super laggy tho

its jsut dornogal

[red zinc]

Not like this

[subtle field]

idk I dont feel it at all tbh

[mighty pivot]

honestly the dummies in dornogal were already horrible during busy hours

might be a "go to the least popular city" angle whenever you want to use a dummy for more than 2 minutes

[flint pivot]

You can also just line up your jump and just jump. You don't take fall damage, it should put you on that edge the arrow is pointing too

[gloomy ginkgo]

Theres literally tons of ppl3k with no hands

[wintry solar]

And there are some with 3 hands

[leaden folio]

it was a copy pasta I got from hs stream

regular meme, dont take it personnaly

[wintry solar]

Nailo

Did you know a lion won't play golf?

But

A tiger wood

[leaden folio]

real

[mighty pivot]

what about people with 3 legs?

[strong cargo]

Is it a known bug to have insane server lags during TOP duels ? Like every time we went into duel, serv had some 1-2s freezes for all group until we went up. I was killing the opposent very quickly with magnet and we barely manage to come up before aoe because of lags 💀

[vivid vessel]

well idk yuesterday night we just had insane lags

in all dungeons

https://www.youtube.com/live/kdVgA6zZ164?si=XxlafslAQsUPbDK9&t=15684 @strong cargo

litteraly 5s dc or smth

we had that the whole night yesterday

idk if its fixed today

[leaden folio]

do you have /console scriptErrors 0 zac ?

because we got so many error lua yesterday

I got some 5sec freeze too

[vivid vessel]

no i use bug sac and bug grabber

[leaden folio]

because you might have some weakaura completly broken

that can cause these lag ? i dunno

[vivid vessel]

this isnt a weak aura problem lol

thats blizzard

weak auras cant cause lags

[strong cargo]

Oh yeah OK that's wild lol, we thought it was from duels, maybe it wasn't, but it was a pain ye. Mage accused outlaw to be broken 🤡

[vivid vessel]

when ws it

and you are eu right

[wintry solar]

Or or or 3 arms >.>

[strong cargo]

I'm fr ye, 0:30-1:30 something like this

[vivid vessel]

yeye

[wintry solar]

A fly got in my coffee

[vivid vessel]

for me it started happening around 22/23

so

[wintry solar]

I'm going to burn my house down

[vivid vessel]

it prolly went on the whole night

[strong cargo]

Is there datas on how much other specs gain from buffs ? I'm curious to know how good bl is for differents spec for example

[nocturne folio]

i was being targeted by cart in DFC the first time lag started

[strong cargo]

I was in raid until midnight and it was fine 🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

it was in dungeons tho

i think

only

youtube is fucking their whole website lately

to prevent ad blockers

which is kinda funny cause ad blockers update one day later and its fine

idk why they keep trying

[leaden sonnet]

Ye it lagged right as candle king were supposed to put out the debuffs for us so he just didnt

So we had double the effigies 💀

[vivid vessel]

💀

I think its the first time ever we experience these type of lags in keys no ?

i wonder what happened

also makes me realize how robust the network side is right

[red zinc]

bro candle king makes healers so cooked

[vivid vessel]

there is virtually 0 lag in wow in keys

[red zinc]

we troll overlapped our kicks on 1 kick

healer still had his up

doesnt kick the next cast (only one up)

[vivid vessel]

what spec

[red zinc]

"i cant fall a global behind"

resto

sham

[vivid vessel]

lol

restos kick on cd

[red zinc]

like mf

if you dont kick

[vivid vessel]

for the dr

???

every resto i ever had

asked me

to not kick

so he could

also kicks arent on the gcd

if you kick between a cast

this guy is cooked

[long barn]

It’s all from the patch they are about to release

The single button crap

It’s massing everything up

[red zinc]

what

does that have to do with any of this

this was in a 19 bud

[red zinc]

im crashing out

[covert kestrel]

anyone know what to do if the lil tab on the left side that people use for marks and shit is missing

[vivid vessel]

tell him that kicks are off gcd

maybe he isnt aware

guy stupid prolly

[red zinc]

nah i ignored

i cant argue with this guy

[vivid vessel]

bro

wtf is

[wintry solar]

Imagine ignoring people in wow

[red zinc]

at least i timed a 19 flood with mordrim

dfc is cursed

[wintry solar]

Instead of taking it further and getting chat banned

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/take-it-to-the-next-level-rich-benoit-rich-rebuilds-escalate-it-step-up-gif-26371439

[red zinc]

idk i really dont say anything bannable ever anymore

[vivid vessel]

I lost r1 gally

to a guy

[red zinc]

I just say stuff about the game

[vivid vessel]

that does 500k less boss dps

he just

blade flurry

[red zinc]

and call them out for stupid shit if they were like blaming other people

[vivid vessel]

this is my bf and i play for add damage

[red zinc]

join a worse guild

my guild needs rogue for reclear

[vivid vessel]

if he had the same kill timer as me

this would be his bf

almost double mine

how crazy is that

dude guild is cooked out of the wazoo

how am i gonna beat that now

[red zinc]

wait for belt and aura buff effect and uh

hope his pc blows up

before then

[wintry solar]

Pay him off

[vivid vessel]

I have a record to held up tho timmy

everytime i killed gally as outlaw

[red zinc]

im raiding next tier buddy

[vivid vessel]

it was a r1

[red zinc]

enjoy it while it lasts

[vivid vessel]

i cant

not get r1

this week

i need to find a way before my reclear

[red zinc]

spec sub

[vivid vessel]

hmmm

[wintry solar]

Believe in yourself

[vivid vessel]

actual real strat

true true

[wintry solar]

This is merely a fluke

[vivid vessel]

It's ok I will just do more damage

[wintry solar]

He got lucky

[vivid vessel]

I will invent damage

[red zinc]

stop inventing

[vivid vessel]

I mean he didn't get lucky

He has almost double my bf damage

Dude just has no AOE in his group

[red zinc]

just ask all your guildies to run st talents

pay em off

[vivid vessel]

Bro doing 500k less boss DPS than everyone

💀

[wintry solar]

If it's not luck then it's your fault. And do you really want it to be your fault?

[vivid vessel]

I need to have the evoker benched

[red zinc]

plant doping residue in his fridge

[wintry solar]

Dude put itching powder in his shampoo

You could always sell your soul

How do you think Zeross became an oil baron?

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel you think its possible to do rook 19 as outlaw the whole way with pugs or nah

or is last boss just too cooked

[cinder haven]

How do you skip bloodwarper with crates without priest?

[red zinc]

tank pulls

and someone does it

[cinder haven]

Assuming you’ve pulled the two soldiers

[red zinc]

and then meld

[cinder haven]

Ah another meld skip

Nice race diversity for tanks this season

[vivid vessel]

Idk..

I tried in 20 yesterday

I think we had the time

But someone didn't clear his Pilar on last boss

Kekw

[nocturne folio]

monka

[reef forge]

just don't raid this week

[random stirrup]

time for zacmonk to acquire his own CE

[leaden folio]

and he is playin with geargrinder

lmao

[narrow reef]

I have an issue and I don't know which outlaw build to go for. I'm new to outlaw and I'm currently sitting at 18% haste, but from looking at logs it seems like the majority of bosses the hidden opportunity build is better, but for keys KIR is better. My question is which build would be best for me to go for, if I don't want to have to switch a ton of gear from raid to m+ and vice versa?

I can prob get enough haste to hit the KIR breakpoint btw and I can drop haste down to the hidden opportunity breakpoint

[vapid sundial]

ho is easier, as a new player, easier to gear for to

too

better in raid

little bit worse m+

[covert kestrel]

way less vibes but yknow thats secondary

[vapid sundial]

nah

thats pref

opposite for me

i like ambush

[covert kestrel]

deft is bae

[vapid sundial]

and i dont like kir as a button

just all pref

[covert kestrel]

6 buffs tho

[narrow reef]

kir as a button does feel weird

but 6 buffs feels amazing

[covert kestrel]

it is funky. but i agree with ryker, if you're new just do HO esp if youre still doing raid

[vapid sundial]

same as 5 buff without bt

fuck bt

[brisk meadow]

kir as a button is the same as when you're extending your free games in slots

[inland acorn]

It can feel weird but when you get 5-6 buffs 90% uptime it's

[brisk meadow]

[wintry solar]

2 kir back to back is like a 2 card blackjack

[jaunty plume]

Hey I am new to Outlaw and I've got a few questions about it

On the opener do you use vanish once just to keep one charge on cd to get restless blade value or you don't care and only want to use it for specific conditions that are said in the guides(AR 5-3 seconds or less, Precision RTB proc etc)

And if you have an Audacity proc but AR has 5-3 seconds duration or something like that more or less, do you care about not wasting that Audacity proc or you just vanish and don't care ?

Also do you care about having GS on the target before using KS or not ?

[balmy spade]

works, i did that too

failed another one yday and today by 2 seconds and the other by 40 seconds

but it is doable

timed one with 40 seconds left

that key is just cooked

idk

[frail veldt]

No

[frail veldt]

KS is higher prio than vanish even at max stacks of vanish

[frail veldt]

Audacity never interferes with vanish conditions

Regardless of adr duration

[jaunty plume]

Okay does KS have higher prio than the first subterfuge?(you break your stealth on opener)

[frail veldt]

No

[inland acorn]

No

[frail veldt]

You never KS during subt

[jaunty plume]

What about after you use KS, do you use Vanish regardless of the conditions just to keep one charge on cd ?

[inland acorn]

Max cp --> vanish

[jaunty plume]

During the opener

[inland acorn]

Unless you get coup

[frail veldt]

No

[inland acorn]

Then coup first into max cp --> vanish

[frail veldt]

Vanish rules are just KS > 30s CD and coup stuff

[jaunty plume]

What's that about Coup condition I haven't seen that in the guides

[inland acorn]

it's in #outlaw-faq advanced

[past falcon]

i think we can double outlaw it 🙂

[jaunty plume]

Okay I've missed that gonna check it out, Btw since GS is off gcd is macroing it to another ability something that ppl do ? And if yes what do you macro it to

[inland acorn]

You can macro it, not ideal especially in m+, because you might send it on dying target

But not that big of a deal

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[hybrid crown]

I just run PC in all keys now it's so nice not having to mess with gs

[wanton sparrow]

is anyone here willing to help me with some crafting options?

[hybrid crown]

I guess in bigger keys where the small difference matters and people run like 1 point fth or whatever, but I blasted 13s and got 3k so 🤷‍♂️

[jaunty plume]

What's PC?

[inland acorn]

Precise Cuts

[hybrid crown]

Precise cuts

[jaunty plume]

Even in dungeons like CM that have mostly big pulls ?

[inland acorn]

You can sim crafting on raidbots, if something is unclear just post link to sim here

[hybrid crown]

I used it in cinder and it was one of the 13s I did

I think it is questionable in big pull dungeons but I don't think it matters if you just want 3k

[inland acorn]

Doesn't matter unless you start pushing high and need to optimize stuff

[jaunty plume]

Well I want to do damage and GS seems kinda huge for prio damage

[hybrid crown]

You do noticeably less in ST though for sure

But it's not like too bad

[inland acorn]

You will still get some value in CM

Unless your tank is literally pulling 10 mobs every pull

[jaunty plume]

I have the keybind for GS I was just wondering if ppl macro it or not

[hybrid crown]

!gs

[inland acorn]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[hybrid crown]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[jaunty plume]

Outlaw doesn't have any form of funnel right ?

[inland acorn]

No

Unless you count deft giving you combo points for pressing blade flurry

But even then you don't usually run deft anymore

[wanton sparrow]

Yeah i just dont know what is the best options
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5LgDzz9Qtr32uF4smeEgfp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cZgQhEMmSZvY5Fciyk8xt1
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/upHbFhRSUJSDifcNPZRbpa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/atg1at5VjgSUPW2UnMnbkN

[jaunty plume]

Yeah that's not really a filler, thanks guys @frail veldt @inland acorn @hybrid crown

[inland acorn]

How many sparks u have left ?

[wanton sparrow]

5

also i was wandering do i go for full fucking crafted or i upgrade gear also

[inland acorn]

Well for starters

You should probably get tier head

Instead of crafting it, it's ++vers +haste, so very good slot for outlaw

[wanton sparrow]

yeah i am trying to a head havent dropeed yet

from hero piece so i can just convert it

[inland acorn]

ye just farm m+ and you'll eventually get it

If you get that i would probably craft neck/ring

or belt

[wanton sparrow]

can you have 2 crafted rings on?

[inland acorn]

I'm actually not sure

It doesn't say that it's unique-equiped

[wanton sparrow]

nop

[inland acorn]

then it should be fine I think

[wanton sparrow]

you dont want crafted back you should just farm the mechagon 1 praying you get the back>?

[royal stump]

!wa

[crimson geode]

Yes you can use two crafted rings

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

Ya

[inland acorn]

Kinda yes, but crafted cloak might be like 0.1-0.2% better if you dont have mythic track cloak from mechagon

At least that's how it simmed for me

Also you could try pug 1st boss mythic for chance of trinket and/or boots

[jolly geyser]

dfc got cloak also

[wanton sparrow]

i have boots

[inland acorn]

Ye but hero track

[wanton sparrow]

true

[jolly geyser]

yee

[inland acorn]

1st boss in mythic is piss easy

You could probably pug it in 20 mins

[crimson coral]

Unsure if you should craft belt at this point with new belt coming.

[inland acorn]

Less if you get people with eyes and hands

That's actually valid, forgot about belt incoming

[wanton sparrow]

yeah i was thinking back but now i think i will say fuck it and send neck or ring

[hybrid crown]

Oh belt is one of my slots

What is that gonna be 684

[inland acorn]

idk

All I know is it's probably gonna fuck my stats

[hybrid crown]

Ooh

Same

[wanton sparrow]

belt is gonna be 690

think

[jolly geyser]

gotta recraft neck or rings with belt

[hybrid crown]

There's some wiggle room yeah

I have crafted chest wrists belt

Rings..

I have myth wicks too

I could do haste vers on two rings and change chest wrists to crit vers

[inland acorn]

I have like hc ring / chest / cloak which I could recraft

But at the same time it all sims like 0.1-0.2%

so I cba farm crests

[jolly geyser]

was gonna craft chest this week but then got the psf chest in vault

[hybrid crown]

Ooh

[inland acorn]

ye I would love to see one too

or workshop cloak

[hybrid crown]

I want fat leech loot from vault

Leech is so nice

[jolly geyser]

im 683,cant get many upgrades. Dont really raid mythic either

[inland acorn]

i'm 680, missing mythic chest/cloak/ring

[jolly geyser]

[inland acorn]

Never saw one of those on mythic track in vault so far

[haughty moat]

same

[inland acorn]

And can't craft ring, because then I need to recraft everything to compensate haste

[jolly geyser]

got the dfc ring in vault few weeks back

hasted out

[inland acorn]

I actually dread the chance

That bandi will drop roulette ring with vers

Because then idk, where I'll pull the haste out

Getting haste is so annyoing >.>

[jolly geyser]

it is what it is

I dont like this haste shit we got

[hybrid crown]

I can hit 683 if I put on double crowd favorite

But I run hero mugzee OH

I crafted a bunch of shit

[jolly geyser]

ye im using that

[crimson thicket]

Only two uppies left and got full myth vault

[clever tulip]

Am i right in saying on opener we just vanish>ambush>BTE then vanish and same again?

[vivid vessel]

this isnt raidbot

highly sus

[crimson thicket]

True

[vivid vessel]

whats that

[inland acorn]

with trickster ?

[crimson thicket]

But still accurate trust

Wowaudit

Takes raidbot sim

[vivid vessel]

ok