outlaw

[glass mortar]

have fun

[vivid vessel]

and its not even gold color

i did all of that

for nothing

[red zinc]

thats not even real

show the 99.9

[vivid vessel]

my lowest is 99.7 tho

so

hm

let me check

[red zinc]

bozo

[vapid sundial]

bozo

[stiff glade]

Time to pug vexie every week

[vivid vessel]

bro vexie is too hard tho

[stiff glade]

it is

[keen belfry]

JohnTheBaptist

[vapid sundial]

ye

hes gone

[glass mortar]

I did vexie for first time in like a month last night and like

All r dks grip adds in on cd and they die In 0.2 ms

Everyone ruining everyone's parses

Y even try

Xd

[violet ferry]

What’s the highest dps custom name you can give yourself in Details?

[lime lake]

Joseph

[next wedge]

your credit card info

[vivid vessel]

rainbow comp

[covert kestrel]

Blizz Shareholder

[bright crane]

DPS McDamageson

[tawny thorn]

Unholy dk

[upper surge]

Hey guys

Ask @glass mortar about mugzee and killing spree

[glass mortar]

Shhh

Only 2 deaths to it (directly)

And one was intermission greed

[upper surge]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-stirs-in-a-kettle-gif-4450029061329788588

[glass mortar]

I didn't listen to zac

[upper surge]

You used it during intermission???? Lmao

Ok you deserved that

[glass mortar]

Intermission is lust and like 30s long?? Do u want me to just do zero dps during the burn or

This ability has like a 12s cd man

I dont think u understand

[frank finch]

zac is losing r1's left and right dont listen to him

he is washed

[glass mortar]

We are held hostage

[upper surge]

Just cloak and do it

[glass mortar]

I was mostly sending 1 cp ones and it was sketchy

[upper surge]

Duh

[glass mortar]

The one that killed me was a full cp one

[upper surge]

Did you show them your new weapon

[glass mortar]

I didnt know if I had time being in second immune soak

Hell yea I did

[upper surge]

You can feint and survive the immunity soak btw

[glass mortar]

Getting the weapon drop let me spend my dinar on my last trinket as well

[upper surge]

Well you'll probably be in on mz next Tuesday again so gl

[glass mortar]

Tbh I had no clue if the immune soak was to immune something bad happening to the raid or just the damage we took

And I didn't wanna ask

But that makes sense

[upper surge]

A good group usually just has like five or six people in it who actually use immune's but we don't trust any of our raiders so we put like eight or nine people in it lol

[glass mortar]

Ah I c yea I'd def live natty with feint then

Next time

[upper surge]

But then you get situations like our first kill where people were in the wrong jails and only 5 people actually got in the soak and the priest died because he didn't use dispersion

[glass mortar]

Yea that last overlap is pretty brutal especially if ur soak goes on a outlaw rogue who has 4 pulls on the boss and is mid gcd pressing kspree as it targets them

💅

No relation

[upper surge]

My hope is that the delve belt is really bad for outlaw so that you don't even get to enjoy the benefits of your love of delves

[glass mortar]

U know that'd be fine cause I'm gunna be out here doing my delves anyway. This 500 puzzle achievement isn't gunna get itself

Also my belt is my embellishment and I need to recraft twice when this comes out

😠

[upper surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/253446173774315520/1060610510803980288/skateboardge.gif

[upper surge]

Me too btw

[uncut ginkgo]

anybody done 8 mask vision yet?

[glass mortar]

Oh shi I can finally do 8 mask sw today

But yes people were doing 8 mask orgrimmar last week

Significantly easier then sw tho imo

[uncut ginkgo]

sw seems easier to me

[fallen knot]

wowhead guide says there's 5 masks am i stupid

dont answer

[fallen knot]

but

like other than clearing wings with 1 mask active

where do i getthe others

[compact mountain]

How do you handle vanish resetting bosses?

[fallen knot]

i did very little research

[uncut ginkgo]

multitudes mask is in stormwind, you pick it up from a prop surrounded by mobs

nemesis is from hogger/gamon pieces

sorry multitudes is from clearing everything in sw

all trash/bosses

[fallen knot]

everything means the tumors aswell?

[uncut ginkgo]

dont think so? I got mine w/o getting them all

vengeance mask is from the group of mobs in sw, between wings 1-2

[glass mortar]

Vanish mid ps or make sure ur bte is firing as u vanish

But it is annoying yes

[uncut ginkgo]

mugzee trinket can work too

[fallen knot]

just gear a bdk and faceroll them

[sweet yoke]

hmm mostly m+ as outlaw but raids as assa but no more prog so I can justify going mugzee weap over jastor h to m upgrade?

[glass mortar]

U could sim the potential gains of each

[sweet yoke]

yyyy

[glass mortar]

Outlaw does not touch jastor so

Really just depends

What u wanna play more

[sweet yoke]

its infinite as outlaw and 17 k as assa with jastor h to m

[glass mortar]

Obv capo is useless for sin as well

[desert tendon]

take mog

[glass mortar]

So just depends what spec u wanna dump dinars into upgrading more then anything

Neither item is flexible

Capo myth is like 1.6% ahead of a cauldron mh or crafted

[sweet yoke]

I will do the big brain strat, fist weapon and when am raiding to justify I will augment rune to cover the jastor non mythic loss then jastor in 3 week

the dopamine is bigger with mythic muggerz than 13 ilvl on jastor for some weeks and dopamine is key

[ebon nimbus]

mh played a few mplus as trickster ho and i end up very often with only one buff active. does this mean i do a mistake?

[hardy thicket]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[ebon nimbus]

and on top my bf gives no CP anymore. i thought with the DS talent i should use it at 4t plus

[gaunt phoenix]

No you have a 18% chance to get 1 buff when you roll

[ebon nimbus]

then i was just unlucky

[gaunt phoenix]

Then you just roll again

[gaunt phoenix]

Ho doesnt use that talent

[gaunt phoenix]

It has enough cp generation

[ebon nimbus]

this is what i have from faq

[gaunt phoenix]

That's correct

[ebon nimbus]

ah DM

not DS

i mixed up

[idle plover]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[ebon nimbus]

okay okay i understood now. was just wondering, why i did not get cp but sure, without this talent

does the distribution look correct?

ws 10

[gaunt phoenix]

Ambush looks low

Dispatch and KS should be the same

[sour vault]

is htere a ST HO build without GS?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

GS is >10% single target dmg

[ebon nimbus]

thanks

[remote pecan]

why would you want to play a ST spec without GS? are you having energy issues or?

[vapid sundial]

Doesn't feel good to press gs

Animation sucks

Yada Yada

[pastel sierra]

GSW is right there guys just play it

[remote pecan]

i mean just macro it and forget it exists

[desert tendon]

do you mean you prefered when GS was on gcd?

[vapid sundial]

No I just don't like the button and never have.

But I wasn't the one asking about it

[desert tendon]

i dont like gs either tbh

it s like symbol for sub

[mighty pivot]

cto instead of GS is like 4-5% behind for pure ST but that's still very significant and GS is much easier to play ST to ignore it

[desert tendon]

kinda another button that could be simplified and placed into another one

[mighty pivot]

it is a shit button though ye

[glass mortar]

Wish it was only 6% behind

Delet ghostly

Or rework

@gaunt phoenix u missed me crashing out on mugzee last night

[mighty pivot]

rework/rebalance KS BR and GS

[glass mortar]

First pull of the night I didn't get a single 5 buff in a 6 minute mugzee wipe

I spent like half the fight on 1 buff or less

I was going crazy the damage was so bad

[pastel sierra]

How do u get less than 1 buff

U been clicking them off?

[glass mortar]

A death was involved

Later on

Right after a rtb press

It was very bad I ain't never lowrolled so hard and it was the first pull of a new boss so my meter looked like I was trolling frfr

[desert tendon]

we still cant evasion rik right?

like early in the season

[glass mortar]

Ye

[desert tendon]

zzz

[late swallow]

that was an L change

I thought you quit, Censi

you're training for the criterium du dauphine????

[gaunt phoenix]

Skill issue

You ever 5 buff the entire key

i do sometimes

Cause skilled

[pastel sierra]

I only ever get 5 buffs when I'm about to die to the next KS

[winged depot]

Cann some1 help me out with some gear stuff?

I'm wanting to craft some things. I know Wowhead has BIS but i'm confused what I am 'allowed' to craft?
I need a better weapon (and i want more Haste, can i craft Everforged Longsword with Haste on it?)

Need Hands, Neck adn Boots ilvl wise. Can i craft these?

I also have Cartel chips to spend so I don't wannna craft something I'll get from there anyways. my guild is pulling me into the first 4 Mythic bosses. (against my will x_x)

[covert kestrel]

you can sim all crafted items to see what will give you the biggest boost in droptimizer

as well as simming dinars all together

[desert tendon]

look how involved i am in the game. As i said i just help with reclears a bit, i do like 2 bosses every 2 weeks xD

[covert kestrel]

but generally getting your MH as high ilvl as possible should be top priority

[winged depot]

Can i put haste on my main hand?

Is it a choice thing

[covert kestrel]

same as putting any other stat in a craft? have you crafted an item before?

[winged depot]

nope

i'm new

[covert kestrel]

you use different missives to change the stats

[late swallow]

doing better than me!

[winged depot]

Ohkie thanks

[desert tendon]

woah

[proven ocean]

i have every rogue item in the game

@vivid vessel thoughts?

[desert tendon]

u dont zero

u really dont

[proven ocean]

yes i do

[desert tendon]

do you have vanishing powder in your bag

show me right now

[proven ocean]

yes it's in stealth so u cannot see it

[gaunt phoenix]

Ya you can pretty much craft everything thats not a tier or trinket slot

[desert tendon]

do you have lethal poison IV ?

[proven ocean]

here

gottem

?

censi

[desert tendon]

wtf lmao

[glass mortar]

Yea I've had keys where every 5 buff hit on a big pull and u just ascend

It's gr8 when u crush a trash pack, then get to a st boss and don't roll a single 5 buff in 2 minutes and look like ur trolling the meters

[covert kestrel]

how many keys have you done this season so far

i wont judge

[proven ocean]

more than anyone in the game possibly

most of my keys were in ptr

not retail

so i guess i kinda know all the dungeons inside out

to some degree

[desert tendon]

real question is

do you have more keys that madspatula?

[gaunt phoenix]

Weapons are everforged, leather items are "rune-branded", neck/ring are "of earthen craftsmanship"

[winged depot]

thanks

But will te droptimizer keep in mind that I need more Haste for KIR?

Bc i'm trying to get that haste mostly which is one of the reasons i'm wanting to craft atm

Outside of Ilvl ofcourse

[gaunt phoenix]

This is where the haste thing sucks ass

Because its hard to sim

[winged depot]

x_x

[gaunt phoenix]

Because one haste item can shift around your gear

[desert tendon]

yea you have to lock stats to sim crafts, which sux in that case

[hybrid crown]

You can recraft gear to have different stats

[winged depot]

dropped gear?

[hybrid crown]

No crafted only

[desert tendon]

but also yea, you can recraft and change stats. It s cheaper

[gaunt phoenix]

You can use top gear, in the item search, you generate any item and add it to your bags

So you can at least sim as if you had one

But will still have to discern the right combination of shit to use

Top gear can mostly get you there

[wary sandal]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[obtuse hollow]

Is the bug where real ambush button does more dps than SS transformed ambush still around?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

But its the other way around

Transformed ss is better than raw ambush

[hybrid crown]

Oh..

I need to fix my shit then

[gaunt phoenix]

[crisp condor]

In what way is transformed SS better?

[honest sedge]

good evening, I want to get myself
Geargrinder spare keys, and the question arose, can I just add this trinket in macros to any of my buttons, for example between the eyes

[red zinc]

rank 1 volume keyer

hes not that bad this season tbh

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

he was built different in DF

[desert tendon]

i mean

that s little numbers

i remember

it was sl

or df s1?

[red zinc]

wait wtf

[desert tendon]

he had 999+ key on his tooltip

[vivid vessel]

HOLY SHMOLY

[hybrid crown]

This is from my DF recap

[obtuse hollow]

Oh god

So I've been spending extra effort clicking real ambush to do less dps

[hybrid crown]

Same

That was back from like DF when we needed it separate and not on the stealth stance bar

[desert tendon]

i spammed dungeon in sl cuz i was boosting

idk i did like 1200 in sl, but i was legit working in boosting

[nocturne folio]

cute

[hybrid crown]

Damnnnn

[desert tendon]

35d of m+

[gaunt phoenix]

Naw you cant

if you macro it to bte, it will bug out subterfuge if you vanish > bte

[honest sedge]

oh, oke

[glass grove]

Wox def rank 1 volume keyer

[red zinc]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[red zinc]

what was the exact haste amount for kir that alacrity brought to 25%?

[gaunt phoenix]

19.05

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[sudden flicker]

should i sim dungeon slice

[covert kestrel]

yus

[leaden folio]

dinar useless sadge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJG14V9RyHWqBTnUhmA11U
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j2cgDQiGiphHQGf4R4VXYy

[glass mortar]

mog angle

buy a neat weapon

[random stirrup]

why u not simming them upgraded

[lime lake]

buy cloak for transmog runs

[random stirrup]

not that they would become improvements but half of them are down 20 ilvl

[leaden folio]

oh shit its not auto

[glass mortar]

yea i mean i dont think that will change anything but gally weapon should be a ST gain slightly

so buy that if u have access to it for the memes

but ur got pretty much all the good gear dinar could possibly buy so

for outlaw anyway

[fallow hinge]

ur all the good gear dinar

[leaden folio]

why we cant get the chest from priory

sadge

[glass mortar]

why cant we get the OaB ring

sadge

[fallow hinge]

ikr

[glass mortar]

actually yes, i cant get any upgrades with dinar either

got my capo and hotline last night

third dinar is for the mog

[fallow hinge]

I can get house of cards, tiny pal, jastor and eok

[leaden folio]

ok its better
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tqWh1yVXgwTDDyuG4rz5v9
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g6Rorxc3YFD9hHJvsAiPea

[wanton sparrow]

Anyone have gs macros taht they can share?

[mighty pivot]

/cast Ghostly Strike

[wanton sparrow]

If i macro de on ghostly strike does it go automaticly on coup de grace?

[glass mortar]

macro it to a couple buttons of ur gunna macro it or u wont cast it on cd

[bright crane]

No #showtooltip even based

[mighty pivot]

minimalism is the way

[frail veldt]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[glass mortar]

ok am i going crazy is anyone else using @vivid vessel RtB WA

why is this thing perma broken in visions

all my buffs are just yellow always

literally only in visions

[valid kindle]

don't visions have some time fuckery

maybe that's it?

[gaunt phoenix]

When you cross into a new zone

[glass mortar]

ok but it lasts the whole vision for me

maybe i need to update

[proven ocean]

guys

[grim spear]

nice

[proven ocean]

i was drinking some apple juice and didnt notice that i put it back on the table then i took my phone while looking at my screen and tried to drink my phone

am i cooked

[tender wedge]

Absolutely pasteurised mate

[hollow temple]

indeed

drink that phone homie 💀

[hasty pasture]

Slurp up those semiconductors

[proven ocean]

[covert kestrel]

TRASHMASTER LEGGO

[grim spear]

I remember once buying ice cream with a friend. After buying it, he unwrapped it and walked toward a trash can.

Then he threw the ice cream into the trash. He froze for two seconds, and then threw the change in his other hand into the trash as well.

[frail veldt]

Broken in arena too

[glass mortar]

ah i havent played arena in uh

[frail veldt]

Or solo shuffle specifically

[glass mortar]

on my rogue anyway

[frail veldt]

Cuz the rounds confuse the tracking

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOL

[livid sluice]

Is wax whistle kind of sim bait?

[storm drum]

nah its good

or well all trinkets are similiarly bad

[winged depot]

My sim says I shold be able to do 4bn dmg but i do like 700mil (2 min against dummies)

[livid sluice]

was simmin that or myth pacemaker and it was out simming pacemaker in a DSlice

[glass mortar]

not surprising its equal to pacemaker on 8t for me as HO

[livid sluice]

Yeah I simmed it as HO

[storm drum]

yeah vers makes on use trinket effects hit hard

outlaw is based only like versa and haste requirment then crit is niceer than amstery so makes sense

[frail veldt]

Nope just good

[frail veldt]

Also I think pacemaker is better for Ho than KiR

Cuz ho likes crit more than KiR does

[glass mortar]

it is

which is why i specified HO

[frail veldt]

Cuz KiR has more uptime on RP and does less builder damage than HO

Ye

Just mentioning

[glass mortar]

even as HO for me pacemaker doesnt win on aoe aoe

and it loses in st so

[frail veldt]

I regret getting pacemaker

[glass mortar]

im a whistler now

[frail veldt]

With my dinar

[glass mortar]

pacemaker retired

[frail veldt]

Cuz I thought mine cart could miss

[glass mortar]

plus pacemaker can just lose damage

[livid sluice]

So it's just a whistle angle all the way?

[glass mortar]

u likely wont have a proper 50% uptime in dungeons

[frail veldt]

Ye whistle is op

[storm drum]

its calle dthe cart build huh? whistle and spare keys?

[frail veldt]

Prob our best after magnet

[storm drum]

its fun does good dmg...pacemaker is good if you play multiple rogue specs

[frail veldt]

Spare keys is good but doesn't hit some bosses

[livid sluice]

I would be running Darkness and whistle if I pick whistle up rn

[storm drum]

well he never specified raid or m+ so its all good...i dont think trinkets have mroe than an aproximate of 2% dmg on outlaw lol

darkness has a very low ppm

[livid sluice]

yeah ik but it's been the only myth trink in vault all season

[storm drum]

thats tough

[livid sluice]

sitting at 682 and i have had no myth weps or trinks all season in vault besides darkness

and I dont raid much so CAPO was my first purchase from dinar at hero

[storm drum]

yeah ihavent gottne myth weps for outlaw yet sadge have both rik daggers and ive gotten 3 weps in vault i just havent taken them lol

yeah i just pug first couple every now and then

ah that heroic capos purchase held you back a little

[livid sluice]

it did?

[storm drum]

cudgela dn whatever offhand and trinkets owuld of been fine probably

crafte doffhand would of been chill

[livid sluice]

I had one but i think capo hero out simmed it

[storm drum]

kind of not really it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things

well yeah its going to out sim it. so it wasnt a bad purchase

i got lucky and got capose my first heroic run through

[livid sluice]

nice

[storm drum]

and have mythic signet myth pacemaker myth sparekeys myth darkness

my sims tell me to go myth sparekeys and myth pacemaker as HO

[livid sluice]

but yeah I guess I will buy whistle, I dont plan on swapping back to sin. Might try some Sub for fun though

[storm drum]

i think pacemaker is the choice ifyou are going to spec swap

but its up to you

cart is good for outlaw even my sub sims tell me to use pacemaker

and signet

[glass mortar]

if u wanna spec swap u can probably just pick up trinkets for the other spec

outlaw barely cares

only thing is HoC is kinda shit if ur not playing kir

[storm drum]

^

[glass mortar]

priory is fine and good for sin

etc

[winged depot]

How much % of sim dmg are we supposed to bbe able to do?

[storm drum]

if you are within 10% of your raid dummy single target patchwerk with no raid buffs at 5 mins you are doing fine

[winged depot]

Ohhh

I thought i was suppposed to be doing like 90% of it

Oh wait u mean within 10%

So 10% of sim dmg is rlly bad?

[storm drum]

if you are wihtin 10% of that number that it gives you...if your single target dummy sim withonly personal buffs that you have active you are doing good

so if it says you can do 1 mil on a dummy after 5 minutes and you do 900k or closer you are doing your rotation well

[glass mortar]

if ur doing within 10% of ur sim dps on a dummy ur probably insane tbh raid buffs r super strong

u can specifically do a "target dummy" sim tho

which will have no buffs or consumables

[rotund zodiac]

What makes it good for only kir?

[storm drum]

yeah maybe i didnt explain it very well

[glass mortar]

deft makes mastery not worthless in aoe

[rotund zodiac]

oh

Nice

[winged depot]

Well It said I should do 5bn in 2 min (Target dummy; 5 boss target) and I only did 700mil x_X

[storm drum]

well, you need to change your sim structure

[storm drum]

where are you finding 5 boss targets on target dummies and you probably had raid buffs turned on instead of off

[winged depot]

Ohh

thhat make sense

Could someone double check

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rG4kDd7oL2578Et6sKPej4

This normal

5bn DPS in 2 min?

I put raid buffs off

I don't even have the haste for KIR but the sim is still doing tht much?

Oh waiit its saying 4.5mil DPS (dmg per second) not 4.5bn in 2 min

how do i see how much dmg total?

[gaunt phoenix]

4.5m * 120

[keen belfry]

i just did 1..47mil dps to last boss WS

thats a new low

[random stirrup]

even if ryukage is gone his spirit lives on

[keen belfry]

how do you do the first phase of last workshgop boss man

i cant even press KS

[fathom bramble]

you need your tank to move the boss

or you need to be fearless

[keen belfry]

i wish i couldve seen what my first phase dmg was

i think it was like 1.2

that dungeon is just impossible for me i dont get it

[fathom bramble]

if there's only 1 magnet in melee range it's kind of fine at least on lower keys

like 10-15 you probably live

[keen belfry]

thes arent low

18s/19s

[fathom bramble]

unluck

need your tank to play around you

[keen belfry]

im just watchiung zacs 20s ws

and he just presses it

[ripe ibex]

yeah

just press it

[fathom bramble]

"or you need to be fearless"

[keen belfry]

but like

[fathom bramble]

Zac shows no fear

[keen belfry]

ive legeit died to just pressing it

on that boss

so many times

[ripe ibex]

oh like

bug?

or

[keen belfry]

like it throws me into the balls

[ripe ibex]

that shouldn’t kill you

[keen belfry]

how does he press it here

[ripe ibex]

make sure you feint before ks

[keen belfry]

ive legit left a KS ticking for like 17%

on p1

[ripe ibex]

i just did 19 ws and i was just pressing it on cd

did you feint?

[keen belfry]

i dont recall, i usually press feint before any scary ks

[ripe ibex]

weird

i was getting max like 8% tick

[frail veldt]

Idk is cheat or cloak off cd?

[keen belfry]

no he just presses it

i mean i think its actually that simple

bro literally just feints and presses it

[glass mortar]

i mean its literally rng

if u double in place TP inside one of the mines

ur fricked

usually u just tap one of them if they r too close

or tank moves and its all ok

[keen belfry]

i think ive also left KS and died

like it just one shot me

[glass mortar]

yes thats the ks bug

have u never seen zacs clips of him dying to the bug

[winged depot]

what DPS are usual good numbers in M+?

[glass mortar]

u cant tell when its gunna happen

[proven ocean]

FIJPM;RLKAg;IGJMKLRAEVFAREJINKMGLVAERL.GLNRAJGKAREL;GNHRAGRNJEGA

HELLO PEOPLE

[winged depot]

i'm doing 3.8m against dummies

[keen belfry]

also had that happen on first boss workshop

[proven ocean]

HOW AREU ALL DOING

[glass mortar]

sometimes the last teleport of kspree doesnt have stagger

[proven ocean]

?!?!?!

[glass mortar]

so u are still stuck in the animation and cant cloak or do anything

but ur stagger is gone

[proven ocean]

WEEREAREARWEWARN

i want

[glass mortar]

so if u land somewhere bad u just die

[proven ocean]

a good tv show !

alert alert

or

a good movie

[keen belfry]

im just so bad at workshop

[obtuse birch]

do we keep BD up on ST?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[proven ocean]

everyone is

u need to be awake to play that key

[random stirrup]

waiting expectantly for 11.1.7 and 11.2

[proven ocean]

isnt

[obtuse birch]

ty

[keen belfry]

like how do you play last 2 bosses as outlaw

[proven ocean]

.7

next week?

or?

[glass mortar]

did u see sinners

[proven ocean]

oh

the

wait

[random stirrup]

I think so?

[gaunt phoenix]

No june 17th

[glass mortar]

its decent

[proven ocean]

what is the movie about

[glass mortar]

nothing crazy

[desert tendon]

Zero

[proven ocean]

the actor looks cool af

[glass mortar]

but i enjoyed it

[proven ocean]

sup censi

[desert tendon]

Your replays

Are great

[proven ocean]

replays?

wdym

[random stirrup]

true true

[desert tendon]

Watch that

Your vods

[proven ocean]

what replay

[desert tendon]

We

Duh

[proven ocean]

your vods we?

what

where

do i actually have vods

[desert tendon]

Idk

Do u

[proven ocean]

no

im confused censi

what are u talking about

[glass mortar]

hes memeing

[proven ocean]

wait

[desert tendon]

Idk

[proven ocean]

do u mean

[glass mortar]

u asked for something good to watch

[proven ocean]

that im a movie

[glass mortar]

and he said watch ur vods

it was a compliment

[desert tendon]

Nah

[glass mortar]

he was giving u a smooch

[proven ocean]

OOOOOOOH

[desert tendon]

Ur à clown

[proven ocean]

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[desert tendon]

Paid actor jerry

Yea weran

See

Cant be à good player AND smart at the same time

See which zero picked

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/bublik-gif-27420444

[glass mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741161278113841263/1075193772939419668/bimplyactvity.gif

[late swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/486250928761208863/1014697235231015003/EE66CBBE-54C7-4CB7-ACBD-7F8D9E2CC3C7.gif

[glass mortar]

ok im sensing a pattern in ur reacts right now and it worries me a little

[wintry solar]

It's good to bully feet people

[glass mortar]

but i need to go to bed so i'll just leave you with this

https://tenor.com/view/illidan-world-of-warcraft-twerk-illidan-dance-gif-23452811

[mighty pivot]

programmer dress code right there

[ripe ibex]

yeah

not really as scary as people think

[peak dock]

anyone knows if underpin delve is buffed by your ilvl?

[glass mortar]

it shouldnt be

[gaunt phoenix]

The delver master has spoken

[glass mortar]

answered from bed

the delves must provide

[obtuse birch]

is it more worth to get the hallowfall weapon, or a 681 crafted dagger for offhand?

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix hi

[gaunt phoenix]

[proven ocean]

i love zac

[prisma sapphire]

hallowfall for mobs

then swap in during boss

[gaunt phoenix]

you can use them both

[prisma sapphire]

swap in thie higher ilvl

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[obtuse birch]

is there a macro that makes that ez? XD

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont

[prisma sapphire]

yea

it's somewher ein here

check pins

[proven ocean]

me too

[brave lagoon]

fuck valeria is so trash on 8 mask

[grim spear]

guys

so can we say that Echoing Void is not a bug

it’s just how it’s designed?

[glass mortar]

doesnt seem they have any plan to fix it so might as well be

[proven ocean]

weran hmm

[charred glen]

I want to craft a weapon for outlaw, should i get a sword/mace or axe

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same

[charred glen]

Ahhh okay

[grim spear]

axe is cheaper maybe?

[bright matrix]

can i evasion adds on bandit

(mythic)

[obtuse birch]

anyone got that picture of rewards from delvs or keys and the ger track ect? trying to see how many valorstones it is from delves lol

[ancient laurel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[ancient laurel]

Just to clarify, the displayed haste needs to be ~19% to properly play KIR right?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[cinder relic]

the ones that blow up? No

[bright matrix]

ty bro

[unique echo]

yoyo guys just quick question to make sure im not stupid mainhand cant be swapped during keys right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it can

[unique echo]

dafuq

[gaunt phoenix]

but you should only swap offhand

[unique echo]

hmmm

its capo + cudgle better on trash then gally weapon + cudgle

?

*isnt

[gaunt phoenix]

capo is better if same ilvl

[unique echo]

ye so i should swap mh and oh 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

capo is better than gally on bosses too

[unique echo]

bro 😄

i know

but i have 3 weapons capo gally and cudgle so i take capo + cudgle for trash and capo + gally for boss

thats why i wanna swap mh and oh

[grim spear]

main capo off crowd+crudge
main thumb off capo+crudge
in keys, which set is better?

[gaunt phoenix]

both of those are capo main hand?

but anyway u cant swap gally weapon in keys, they flagged that one

to be unswappable

[unique echo]

ah

thats why my makro doesnt work

thy

*thx

[ancient laurel]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[unique echo]

that sucks i actually should have bought crowd then yiks

[gaunt phoenix]

probably capo mh, thumb is basically a regular weapon in keys, the proc does nothing

[unique echo]

ye with that swap thingy not working for thum i regret my decition aswell now 😄

i guess its another 3 weeks of everforged stabber then XD

[grim spear]

what about dagger offhand this tier? do we use them?
or just capo + crowd?

[gaunt phoenix]

mythic crown vs crafted dagger is like the same

[grim spear]

ic

so the off-hand weapon's stats are still important.

[unique echo]

thx btw @gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

[grim spear]

thx @gaunt phoenix 💯

[gaunt phoenix]

[deep falcon]

for my trinkets in m+, i already have geargrinders and i'm up to 2/8M, should i just go for pacemaker for my second?

[unkempt cypress]

Ya

[cedar kernel]

wow our channel pfp looks so cool

what special festival for?

[cinder relic]

Gay pride!

[cedar kernel]

oh thats cool

[feral knoll]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[craggy barn]

anyone know how much the raw haste value is for ~19%

sitting at 21 rn and trying to figure out how much i can safely drop

[grim spear]

around 12000

[craggy barn]

hmm ok

[clear zephyr]

Do KiR Trckster and HO Trckster have similar output in single, cleave and aoe?

[frail veldt]

Whats the current renown cap/damage amp for raid rn?

[frail veldt]

KiR trickster is behind HO trickster in pure ST builds

but KiR Fatebound is on par with HO trickster in pure st

in the m+ build, kir trickster is slightly ahead of HO trickster overall for a dungeon '

but only barely

[tender wedge]

and is harder to play and gear for

but getting those 6 buffs woooo lad

[clear zephyr]

Ty for answers.

[grim spear]

Do feint and evasion’s dr apply to ks’s dot?

[craggy barn]

ye

[crimson thicket]

what u boys know bout dis?

[cedar kernel]

its a mount

[crimson thicket]

fair

u little shit

[vivid vessel]

Only way I die is if the staggers bugs out here

That's why I play cheat in this key tho

• we had infinite battle rez ready

I think

Otherwise it's probably just a 16% stagger

Which is fine

Especially if I have cloak or health pot

So idc

[grim spear]

Is there a WA that shows how much damage KS has staggered?
Like giving a warning if it would have exceeded your current HP?

[fathom bramble]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[grim spear]

o !

ty

[fathom bramble]

that ticking damage taken one will show you how much damage each tick is doing

it only shows if the stagger is over 5% ticks I think

something like that

[grim spear]

cool

[keen belfry]

Should I just send KS with feint

On that boss

And not think

[hot olive]

i think its better to send low cp ks when there is 3 orbs under boss

if no clock

[vivid vessel]

I mean it depends

On crs

Cheat death

Cloak

Timer

Health pot

You just gotta weight in the risk

[keen belfry]

I’m just haunted by a run I had earlier

[vivid vessel]

Also if your team play around you

[keen belfry]

1.2m dps in p1

[vivid vessel]

This also can just not happen at all

Try to find

Hm

My last workshop

I think it was this weekend

[keen belfry]

I just watched ur 20

You literally just send that shit

[vivid vessel]

The boss dramatically change when you bait the orbs

So like, everyone plays on the side of the boss toward all orbs

And max melee range

And this situation never happen

[vivid vessel]

We have like 5 Rez that run tho

[keen belfry]

Should melee stack

[vivid vessel]

Yes

Go through my last vods

Find the other 20 ws

You will see

[keen belfry]

Yeah see what if timer isn’t free free and you’re in pug and they don’t know what ks is and 1 brez

Seems like

So risky to even send a ks

Man I feel like Ry*kage rn

[vivid vessel]

I play cheat

In ws

[keen belfry]

I was tilted by KS today

[vivid vessel]

For also this reason

You know

[keen belfry]

Yeah I think I just played too safe and did 0 dps

1.2 bro

[vivid vessel]

Play cheat dude

The stagger dot won't kill you

[keen belfry]

No uptime, no ks, and no 5 buffs

[vivid vessel]

The only way you die is if the stagger bugs out

[keen belfry]

Ok I cheat my next WS

[vivid vessel]

In which case you have cheat death

Easy

Or a battle rez

[keen belfry]

Cheat next WS

Heard it here first

GN it’s 1am god damnit

[flat needle]

How does the stagger bug sometimes?

[vivid vessel]

If you get damaged on the last tick it won't stagger

[valid tartan]

I watched a ws where u were blasting

and everyone died on bush boss

I didnt see the one u timed

[vivid vessel]

I think we timed that one

[valid tartan]

oh did u?

[vivid vessel]

The one with zeross

[valid tartan]

the one where u died first yeah

with ross

a cog hit u

double hit or someth

[vivid vessel]

With like 4 death on third boss

[valid tartan]

u just died insta

[vivid vessel]

Idk

I don't remember

[valid tartan]

I think u got double hit

1 cog kills u on 20?

[vivid vessel]

Idk

This shit double hit

Half the time

[valid tartan]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

I die trough cheat death

[valid tartan]

idk ur way more brave then me on that boss

im always too afraid to ks during the beam

i even tried what u do

where u run ahead

and press it

but I have been doing low cp ones

i like that trick

that helps alot actually

before I would try to send a full one

alwasy got me killed

[vivid vessel]

You need the boss to be on the middle

[valid tartan]

especially if i had SC

[vivid vessel]

You can't so that if the tank just drag the boss close to a bean

But idk

This boss has been tilting me lately

[valid tartan]

yeah its annoying I agree

[vivid vessel]

I cannot play it when I'm not 100% awake

[valid tartan]

what do you do if they do teh giga pull in a pug on psf

do you just focus one of the casters instead of mini

its just annoying that im not flurrying all the casters

makes it giga scary

[weary fog]

the stairs pull?

[valid tartan]

yes

[weary fog]

kill the horse guy

[valid tartan]

ok but if there is like 20 mobs

and the casters live through all the stops ur just dead

thats why I asked if he just focus one of the casters down

idk maybe my teammates are just doing low dmg on that pull

making it harder than it needs to be

I usually only do around 10 mil

[vivid vessel]

What pull

You need to kill the miniboss

[valid tartan]

first pull zac

[vivid vessel]

It's what dangerous

If you do the knight + miniboss

It's even more of an issue

Kill knight

[valid tartan]

thef irst one we had knight

i focused it down

we still died

2nd one I focused mini boss and we died to stops on casters

my team just dong low dmg I think

[vivid vessel]

Pugs should copy the route we do

Idk if you seen

It's like

[valid tartan]

ill watch tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

Chillest route

Very easy

[valid tartan]

the one where u go right?

[vivid vessel]

No

You skip with shroud

Left

No knight

[valid tartan]

you do the middle packs the mini boss and the casters on right of stairs yeah?

[vivid vessel]

https://threechest.io?id=1w221bvt9t2

Here

[valid tartan]

oh yeah

we did the middle packs and the two packs on right

gg

[vivid vessel]

https://threechest.io?id=1w221bvt9t2

First pack is wrong actually it's this pack instead

The auto route thing bugged out

But ye

Same thing

[valid tartan]

ill tell them next time ty

[valid tartan]

they were like yeah we cant do that dung with u as outlaw

im like bro zac did it on 20

[vivid vessel]

It's very chill cause it's no knight

Only with 2 casters

People try to do knight+ miniboss which is super hard

Or they do miniboss with like 5 caster pack

Which is just

[valid tartan]

thats what we did

[vivid vessel]

Not a thing in pugs

[valid tartan]

was so annoying

[vivid vessel]

Even with dh boomie

This route we did on 20

It's the best route imo

To chilll

You have infinite time with melee comps

[valid tartan]

no double lightspawn either

[vivid vessel]

While being legit the safest route you can do

Yes

[valid tartan]

i feel like we always brick if we pull that

[vivid vessel]

That's what I'm saying lol

We removed all the dangerous pulls

[valid tartan]

so dumb

[vivid vessel]

There is none

[valid tartan]

that double light spawn is like instabrick

so many things can go wrong

[vivid vessel]

Even after first boss we do one side only

Not the full room

[valid tartan]

even if u dont die to channel

they can sometimes just full heal something

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[tawny thorn]

For m+ do i really priorities capo's molten knuckle (heroic) in offhand over hotline trinket? Or should i just sim it

[hybrid crown]

The thug trinket is kinda bad in aoe

Capo you can switch for cudgel for aoe packs

[atomic elk]

How house of card will be a good aoe trinket? It just provide mastery no?

[rotund zodiac]

[fathom bramble]

a lot of it is just that most trinkets this season aren't actually good for aoe

so a crappy stat trinket + slightly more than horrible mastery value in aoe can let it be acceptable

[rotund zodiac]

It did something to deft idk, that’s what I heard

[buoyant orchid]

is there a way i can make KS to not spin my camera around? i tried outlaw for a key and i had massive vertigo from it ?

[vivid vessel]

i wish

[buoyant orchid]

back to assa then

[feral glen]

Any tips on M Mugzee?

[limber dew]

is useing a dagger in ofhand worth? or buy fists, even tho its Heroic but i have 681 dagger?

what im workin with.. i can buy 1 item off vender, but only Heroic...

[icy hare]

You want max ilvl in main hand and then the cudgel in offhand

and can swap the cudgel for the dagger on bosses

So either craft a main hand sword or if you have one you can gear up that's myth track from vault.

Or buy the Capo's heroic from vendor and use that in main hand until you get one of the above. Then you can use Capo's in offhand on bosses instead of dagger. But cudgel should always be used on trash in the offhand regardless of what other ilvl items you have

[limber dew]

I have sparks.. but what would i buy? if i crafted a wep.

wait and tell i can do all 12s? i dont have time to or guild to myth raiding.

[inland acorn]

Go to raidbots --> droptimizer --> puzzling cartel chips --> upgrade up to 671

I think if you craft a weapon, capo will still be one of your best pickups

[limber dew]

and swap to cudgel for trash in keys? yeh?.

[inland acorn]

Yes

Though like I said, best to run droptimizer

Keys trinket from Vexie might be good too, but idk if it's worth it, at this point you could just pug mythic vexie and try to farm it there

[limber dew]

also have to pick from.

fair

yeah i could pug 1st 2 easy

[inland acorn]

Then I would do that, since you can also get a weapon from cauldron

From this vault zee or junkmaster would be my choice, though they're more of single target trinkets

Honey buzzer is also ok, but sometimes funky

[limber dew]

all i have rn is pacemaker and bike at lfr level :/

[inland acorn]

You could try to do 12s, and get myth pacemaker

[limber dew]

but ive not done N and Herioc this week on my rouge.

[inland acorn]

for dinar

[icy hare]

i'd pick up mega magnet and use with pacemaker

then save your dinar for when you've completed all 12's like people have said above

use your spark to craft a 681 main hand to use with cudgel

[inland acorn]

Yeah, that would be your best course of action. You should have plenty of sparks left around this far into the season, so crafting is cheap

Save dinar till you do your 12s/hc raid/first 2 mythic bosses to fill the gaps

[limber dew]

and use my 681 dagger for when im killin boss's yes?

as ofhand

[inland acorn]

Yes, cudgel is only for trash in m+

[limber dew]

okay.

thank you for the help!

the both of u 🙂

[charred glen]

For some reason outlaw for me seems so weak

I'm only pulling 1.8m dps in a mythic at 657 ilvl

[inland acorn]

!commonerrors

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[inland acorn]

Check this list, see if some points are valid in your case

[hybrid crown]

Read through #outlaw-faq as well

[charred glen]

Okay thanks

[ruby mauve]

is it normal for meta specs to keep up with my single target non aoe like 20-30 ilvls below me lol... I only sim 2m and stay reasonably around there in single target fights... I have some 100 parses from lower ilvl so I don't think it's rotational? Maybe I'm terrible or have talents wrong, would be willing to share my sim, but curious how people are keeping up w outlaw rn

[vivid vessel]

even in 20 outlaw survive at 40% from not kicking a bomb on first pack ws

so chill

just never kick

only feint

[stiff hawk]

Wouldnt elusivness do extra DR?

[stiff hawk]

[ripe ibex]

no it’s only for non aoe damage

[hasty warren]

yo pirates

[stiff hawk]

I wasnt sure if its gernal 20%

[flat needle]

Also depends on fight length, if there is a damage amp etc. Outlaw is not bursty So if the fight takes not too long, classes like arcane mage shine

[stiff hawk]

or non AOE

[sour vault]

yo...ho

[hasty warren]

[vale warren]

Pride month and people are still deadnaming outlaw? Smh

[stiff hawk]

Some People cant just let it go

its insane

[haughty wigeon]

real

[leaden folio]

just bind evade on Sinister Strike

[wintry solar]

honestly same

[mighty pivot]

wait, the spinny things on machinist are considered single target damage? wtf is that logic

[wintry solar]

about the blade rush

[compact smelt]

11.7 really got no class changes huh..

so what are they doing over there at blizzard

[wintry solar]

im not surprised since they in no way hinted at anything

wouldve been nice though but oh well

[mighty pivot]

always expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed

[wintry solar]

I've got plenty "Theres always next time" in the tank

[novel socket]

🏠

[haughty wigeon]

11.2

[compact smelt]

KS rework

[vivid vessel]

Jorking it I heard

Trusted source

[sour vault]

ks is fine

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[vivid vessel]

I didn't make it up!

[wintry solar]

Everytime someone says this, an angel loses their wings

[leaden folio]

zac im 683.44 ilvl now

[sour vault]

and god kills a puppy

[leaden folio]

some stat

[ruby mauve]

ks feels fun honestly if they just made minor adjustments lol

[stiff hawk]

Polyvalence

[mighty pivot]

just enough Hate

[wintry solar]

Zzz

[vivid vessel]

You know

Outlaw channel has often varied takes from every side

But I'm glad everyone rallied behind the fact that ks is dogshit

Not a single ks defender

[leaden folio]

Everyone should rally the canonball barage fanclub

[tough flume]

If the porting around was atleast consistent id take it.
Sometimes i stick to the target, sometimes i get sent to narnia (or hell)

[vivid vessel]

Nah you would t take it kekw

Doesn't change anything