outlaw

[fallen knot]

your frames

[vivid vessel]

its just the border

[hidden bay]

Whats in ur profile zac?

Settings for base ui?

And some addons?

[fallen knot]

ok i will check back in about 5minutes

about this

i need to smoke

[vivid vessel]

verything

[remote pecan]

just use default ui addonapocalypse is coming

[vivid vessel]

i meant for suf tho

[hidden bay]

11.2

Delete wow

Reinstall

[vivid vessel]

Wild to me there is no option for like

[hidden bay]

Get zac ui

[vivid vessel]

A clean interface

[hidden bay]

Better be an fps animal next prog

[vivid vessel]

That just makes every frames square

[random stirrup]

why does edit mode not let me make my bars mouseover

[vivid vessel]

Remove all the random combo points etc

[random stirrup]

and why does it not let you hide the main bar

[vivid vessel]

This also

But like idk how it's not a thing that you can just have a check box for a "clean" ui

Where everything is just a box

[remote pecan]

wait i'll show you my ui let me log in

[vivid vessel]

Without all the random things

Cause that's what 99% of people use anywya

[random stirrup]

why can't i hide this thing

[vivid vessel]

So like

How is that not

[vivid vessel]

Nice ui cuh

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[random stirrup]

thanks made it all myself

[vivid vessel]

no you didnt

[hidden bay]

Honestly atp im like

[vivid vessel]

APT APT

[hidden bay]

Fuck ui looking nice

Rather game look nice

[late swallow]

i like your UI ryldd, you did a nice job making it

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/blackpink-rose-bruno-mars-apt-music-gif-11923571047306544673

[hidden bay]

But addonless ui is kinda shite

[random stirrup]

thanks man i can post the profile for you if you want!

[zealous plinth]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

back from vacation?

[zealous plinth]

Not yet ^^

[vivid vessel]

gg

[ebon nimbus]

is there kind of an openersection in faq or am i just blind?

[zealous plinth]

Sunday I’ll be back

[fallen knot]

ok

[remote pecan]

my ui

[zealous plinth]

But I’m in the beautiful france 🇫🇷

[latent oak]

lmao that ai upscaling

[vivid vessel]

you fucker

you are using my weak auras ???

[latent oak]

the dice is melting

[hidden bay]

Bro the art on the action bars

[vivid vessel]

while using hekillih ??

[hidden bay]

Icant

[vivid vessel]

no fucking shot

[hidden bay]

How can you

Thats poking my eyes

Cant see anything else but the action bar art

[fallen knot]

beautiful

[remote pecan]

yeh your rtb container is goated

[vivid vessel]

i know right

Few know this but

[remote pecan]

legit the best WA in wow

[vivid vessel]

I made it in SL

Before kir

[late swallow]

thoughts?

[latent oak]

the alt version is better

[vivid vessel]

No

[latent oak]

dynamic group version gaps

[lime lake]

not enough minimap buttons

[latent oak]

no hps meters?

[mighty pivot]

goated 13 fps

[fallen knot]

how do i import suf profile

[zealous plinth]

SUF better Performance than elvUI? I might swap to zac‘s UI then 🤣

[random stirrup]

all this just to press shadowbolt 30 times in a row

[raven apex]

Just take out my rogue from closet and i feel so squishy when i use KS

[latent oak]

opener is just this really

[raven apex]

I mean, he go on every aoe possible

[prime forge]

are there any outlaw buffs coming?

[latent oak]

with prestacking sc before the pull timer

[ebon nimbus]

for ho i do rtb and then AR or doesnt it matter?

[latent oak]

doesnt matter

[ebon nimbus]

ty

[vivid vessel]

ye but honestly it was also cause i wasnt using all the things from elvui

elvui does way too much

do people know elvui even does nameplates

[covert kestrel]

former elvui user year, ive been clean for 6 months

[random stirrup]

I think a lot of the elvui performance issues are ppl just not tuning it

and ye stuff like leaving nameplates on while using plater

when i fixed my settings i stopped having frame issues, only swapped because it bugged my quest log and AH a lot

[zealous plinth]

Yeah have a lot of stuff disabled there. I‘m using naowh‘s UI tuned to my needs. But yours is really nice too, kinda looks similar

[fallen knot]

what do i need to tune

in elvui

like

i cba changing ui rn

[red zinc]

elvui just booms your pc

is what it is

[random stirrup]

https://x.com/Luckyone961/status/1843256715917050331

Luckyone (@Luckyone961)

Performance issues in raids

Since everyone and their grandfather appears to be an expert on social media when it comes to FPS and frametime issues, let's have a little realtalk, explanations and recommendations.

1.) Currently known bugs in the game

- Models and modelscenes

X · Oct 7, 2024, 11:47 AM

[gaunt phoenix]

nope, dont need em

[zealous plinth]

But you don’t have WA packs for every spec right @vivid vessel ? Need bdk one

[jolly geyser]

I removed elv after they updated ui in wow, I just hide most stuff anyway

[remote pecan]

i did the same but my old pc was a potato

[random stirrup]

for elv specifically mainly section 4/7 in that tweet

fixed pretty much everything for me

[vivid vessel]

nah

rogue

and havoc

well @keen belfry does inspired weak aura from my pack

on alts he plays

[zealous plinth]

Well can just take naowh packs i guess for classes

[vivid vessel]

idk about bdk tho

[zealous plinth]

I‘ll try yours when back from vacation I really like it. Do you have a list of all addons you use? Or only those mentioned in the wago UI pack?

[keen belfry]

Hey

[ebon nimbus]

i just learned

dont use ks on cauldron, when the dinosaur is breathing

😄

[lime lake]

fire does hurt

[covert kestrel]

Hijack does generic packs that have similar vibes to zacs pack

[blissful idol]

prolly couldnt press cloak after it finished right, due to the dmg kekw

[vivid vessel]

they are mega bad tho

i tried using them once

cause

they looked like mine

[vapid sundial]

I feel like most outlaw players either use zac or luxthos

[vivid vessel]

but again its generic stuffs not made by someone that plays the spec

idk imo luxhtos default is kinda bad

[vapid sundial]

I like the way his stuff looks

[vivid vessel]

again cause he doesnt play the spec

its hard

[vapid sundial]

I just use the edit you made

gg

ez

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[covert kestrel]

yeah I guess its hard to tell cause its only for shitter alts that I have no idea what im doing so I just assumed its ok, good to know tho

[slate forge]

Remove roll the bones and import the disc one for luxthos

[vivid vessel]

Is it still updated

My edit

[vapid sundial]

probalby not

he updates was so often

[covert kestrel]

I wonder which of the generic pack makers is the most useful across all classes

[vapid sundial]

I would genuinely say probably lux

used him for 3 classes

and all were ok

[vivid vessel]

i meant mine

cause i havent touched at it

for a while

[vapid sundial]

unsure

probably not

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vapid sundial]

sep 3rd

yheah it probably

needs an update

xd

[jolly geyser]

I use the guy afenar,tried zacs. felt crowded

[shy sandal]

is the nighfall weapon better for off hand than mugzee hc weapon?

[vapid sundial]

for aoe

[shy sandal]

and i dont want mugzee hc weapon for MH if i got crafted weapon?

[covert kestrel]

zacs is so spread out! people dont like it cause of all the gaps in the buttons

[jolly geyser]

its very good thou

[vivid vessel]

Really

[covert kestrel]

idk i heard some ppl say that here at some point

i like it

[vivid vessel]

I might change

For next expac

[slim hare]

i don't mind the gap but i believe there is some shadow border or smth

[vivid vessel]

Altough it has changed quite a bit since I created it initially

[late swallow]

Zac’s pack is goated

[jolly geyser]

next exp spring,trust me bro

[late swallow]

Helped me mend my relationship with my father

[red zinc]

zacs pack made my boyfriend break up with me

[jolly geyser]

this zac guy causing alot of trouble

[cinder relic]

Reminder to ping me if you spot any bigots

They will all taste my blade

[jolly geyser]

sure

[agile orchid]

that will show them

[keen belfry]

my guildies say my weakauras are "wide" sometimes

[cinder relic]

We've already banned like 20 some odd ppl

I'm sure that number will continue to rise

[vivid vessel]

Ye true and real

[jolly geyser]

wait untill weekend

[agile orchid]

do you want a medal or something

[vapid sundial]

its about to be 21

[cinder relic]

No I take pride in my achievements myself

[covert kestrel]

somnius told me my balls were too big for a "normal human male", is that bigotry

[cinder relic]

I don't need approval especially from you

Just a reminder to ping staff at any sight

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/paradise-pd-ball-big-ball-energy-gif-19430747

[shell fossil]

hire former wow artist, do wa theme good, stonks

[vapid sundial]

what

wow artist?

wow base ui sucks

[shy sandal]

can i sim the nightfall weapon ?

[vapid sundial]

yes

[shell fossil]

i just said that

wow hud 2k25

[red zinc]

fire

[vapid sundial]

reminds me of 'no rag or like servers';

[red zinc]

just got accused of stealing damage again earlier today

how are these people still arounnd in 18s

[shell fossil]

him leave very angry note for meta chums, sad 😐

[vapid sundial]

bro

the dmg stealer is

ret pala

what

[ebon nimbus]

i found an hc magnet in my bank and sim tells me to use it over mythic hoc

[ebon furnace]

im seeing some different helm enchants used for M+ content, are they situational or is there a general 'best' greater enchant?

[ebon nimbus]

do i wait to 30 charges and send it

[vapid sundial]

pin

check pin

[ebon nimbus]

sec

[shell fossil]

magnet is goo in single target double check

asked the same thing like a week ago

[ebon furnace]

oh geeze, ty

[ebon nimbus]

but with more targets hoc will get better

i see

[vapid sundial]

guys

does your cloak / neck work in visions

is it worth pulling it out

oh cloak is lvl 50 or below now

wtf

[lime lake]

F

[gaunt phoenix]

In faq I have put HO as recommended ST except clarified that you cant play that shit on M sprocket

Also put a bit more emphasis on KIR 1 fth being popular in high keys despite its difficulty to optimize

[chilly dagger]

Anyone else feel like we got a stealth buff/bug this reset? I mean I took a socket but I'm averaging like 2-400k more overall. Maybe I'm just playing gooder idk

[vivid vessel]

idk

[red zinc]

Honestly

[vivid vessel]

every week there is a new conspiracy of the type

[red zinc]

I got god seed rng or something

Rolling 5 buffs like crazy

[covert kestrel]

not as much now that we lost cook-in-chief

[dusty blaze]

Anyone know if the new belt in 2 weeks is socketable?

[grave rose]

I think it comes with a socket

[hollow temple]

zacharie shmacharie

new conspiracy just dropped

[vivid vessel]

??

[hollow temple]

!!

[covert kestrel]

Ryukage IS REALZ. IT WAS A PSYOP

[red zinc]

this is correct

[covert kestrel]

this is correct

[desert tendon]

zac

zero is becoming so good at it

look

[vivid vessel]

at what

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

ye

i prefered when his title was noob r2 rogue tho

was legit funny

[desert tendon]

i m sure he watched so much of xqc and drdisrespect

to get to this title level

[vivid vessel]

These titles are good

[desert tendon]

some tyler1 also for sure

[vivid vessel]

I'm out of ideas ngl

I think the WARMACHINE one was a good arc

[desert tendon]

you never been a title dude

[vivid vessel]

I need to find something else

[desert tendon]

u just @ realz

[covert kestrel]

fix killing spree is goated

[vivid vessel]

Ye

That was when I was toxic tho

I'm reformed now w

Good idea tho

Imma go back to it

[shell fossil]

spinch rogue lmao

[thorn river]

whats the weapon swap wa again ?

[abstract frost]

He's noob r3 rogue now

China rogue just got 20 resil

[vivid vessel]

Holy

When

I swear I haven't seen any china rogue

[abstract frost]

today i think

[novel socket]

is wax whistle a sim bait trinket for outlaw ?

[abstract frost]

china rogue r2 atm

[vivid vessel]

What are they playing

[abstract frost]

prot/sin/feral/dk/rsham

[covert kestrel]

no all trinkets just suck

[vivid vessel]

R1 is na ye

[abstract frost]

yah me

[vivid vessel]

Lol

[abstract frost]

xD

[vivid vessel]

What a funny comp

I don't think there is a single normal rogue comp

Everyone has a different take

I wish more people played off meta

It's genuinely fun

[abstract frost]

they dont because its harder

[keen belfry]

i need to find my brewmaster

[vivid vessel]

I think Aug being gone has made this season much more playable in that way tho

[keen belfry]

im thinking economics will be my brewmaster

[vivid vessel]

Back in the evoker meta the only weird como was wox lol

[abstract frost]

yah and wox's comp was hard capped

now there is no cap on key levels

no aug

everyone dies equally xD

so phys comp can compete with vdh boomy comps

[keen belfry]

has anyone here done 2bil dmg to one single mob type in a dungeon

i did 1.81b last night to contractors in a flood

[abstract frost]

idk but my feral did hit 10mil ST on second boss priory on burst

[abstract frost]

finished at like... 2.5 ST

[vivid vessel]

Ah I'm stupid

[abstract frost]

end of fight

[vivid vessel]

You changed your name a bit

So I didn't bother reading it

[keen belfry]

have u seen MM single target, its insane

[vivid vessel]

Was too long

[abstract frost]

Yah MM is nasty

[keen belfry]

my MM hunter did 2.91mil st to 3rd boss DFC

2.9!!!

[abstract frost]

thats nutty but he also doesnt afk with circles when soak

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw goes up to 2.5 rn I think

[keen belfry]

2.5 if bis

[vivid vessel]

But it's hard to find a st fight where outlaw can actually do outlaw stuffs

[keen belfry]

i dont think ive 2.5d

ive done 2.41 to 2nd boss dfc

[abstract frost]

i can barely hit 1.8 ST on outlaw

skill issue for sure

[vivid vessel]

Cause every fight these is some bullshit cucking either your uptime or ks

[reef forge]

one of the better ones is swampface lol

[vivid vessel]

Hm

Let me think

I think the best one is second boss dfc

Cause I convinced every group I was in

I couldn't do candles

At all

[reef forge]

thats big brain

[vivid vessel]

And I just stay in melee

[keen belfry]

i just dont do candles in my groups

yeah

[vivid vessel]

Tbf

It's correct I think

Outlaw doing candles is the most int thing ever

If at least you could vanish and run out

To keep adr

[reef forge]

yeah but people in pugs don't see that

[vivid vessel]

But you vanish and it remove the candle

So

[abstract frost]

thing is outlaw can actually get 3+ candles

xD

[reef forge]

they just look for any reason to blame someone else

[keen belfry]

i once did candles + didnt roll 5 buff once on that boss, i was around 1.35mil dps

[vivid vessel]

Ye but then he will bottom DPS so

[keen belfry]

1.35guys

[vivid vessel]

I don't think having outlaw do candle is ever good

Just have healer heal more

Or other DPS work more

Get to work !

[lime lake]

real

[vivid vessel]

Last boss ws actually

If you play well around the baits

You can almost ks on cd

0 uptime loss

It's hard tho

[vague cape]

More maybe with fatebound

[vivid vessel]

So I guess swampface

[keen belfry]

last boss ws is just hard

[vivid vessel]

Is litteraly the only boss

Hm

That's funny

That there isn't a single st boss

Where outlaw can do its thing

Xd

[covert kestrel]

RYU HAS RETURNED

[vivid vessel]

If you found 2 targets bosses tho

First boss priory

First boss ws

And first boss dfc

[keen belfry]

i mean yeah cant u just play normal first ws

[vivid vessel]

All 100% uptime ks on cd

[keen belfry]

KS isnt really scary on first boss, other than hurl spear

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[keen belfry]

and i meant

priory

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[keen belfry]

first boss ws can be tough

[vivid vessel]

I ks on cd mostly

Nah not really

I take the stomp from tank sometimes

Cloak it once

[keen belfry]

yeah but bomb

[vivid vessel]

Health poth second

Nah bombs are fine

You evasion

Target spin dude

And evasion

While ks

[keen belfry]

y?

[reef forge]

i just did a ws there and i popped evasion to pop bombs and didn't die, tried it again after the cd came back and immediately procced cheat

whats that about

[vivid vessel]

• it's baited on ranged

[keen belfry]

explain this first boss ws tech ur talkin about

[vivid vessel]

And if your tank isn't an idiot he will soak melee ones

[keen belfry]

ive absolutely pressed KS and just got one shot as i cam eout

[vivid vessel]

You need to be facing the boss I think

The spin guy

[keen belfry]

hm

[vivid vessel]

I'm not confident enough about it to soak them natty tho

But I won't be scares to pop evasion and ks

I know I imune them about 90% of the times

[hot olive]

how do u play the bomb addz on flood zac?

[keen belfry]

so if u face the spinner u can soak a bomb with evasion?

[hot olive]

u just cant ks there right?

[vivid vessel]

I tell my group to not be close to them

[hot olive]

yea u kill others

kinnda fun tho

[vivid vessel]

The explosion range is surprisingly small

[glass mortar]

If u evasion and face the tank boss when u run Into mines they don't hit u

[keen belfry]

i do think zac you are a bit spoiled with your tank knowing how ur ks works to a degree

[vivid vessel]

And you don't really take damage from the bombs exploding

[glass mortar]

U can also just clear whenever they r in nelee

[vivid vessel]

Brother

[glass mortar]

With evasion on cd

[vivid vessel]

I pugged

95% of my keys

I know how it works

[keen belfry]

but EU tanks are smart

or something

[vivid vessel]

The only keys I haven't pugged has been all my highest ones

[tranquil hemlock]

[vivid vessel]

But all the way up there

19s

I pugged

So

[tranquil hemlock]

its not the same for you zac

my tanks bad

urs gud

[vivid vessel]

You are allowed to explain how it works to your tanks tho

[quiet root]

just make a macro that puts out a wall of text explaining ks mechanics 🙂

[keen belfry]

they dont care or they forget

[tranquil hemlock]

most tanks delay packs for assa if you ask

[vivid vessel]

I actually made one

Btw

[tranquil hemlock]

why wouldnt they play around ks

[keen belfry]

give macro

[sterile summit]

Waiting them to fix KS better than explaining

[tranquil hemlock]

optimal play is unsubbing

[clever tulip]

how hard is outlaw to play

[hardy vault]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

Cause I kept forgetting to explain all these bosses

[quiet root]

harder than most specs

[vivid vessel]

Like candle/first cinder etc

So I made a macro in case I forget

[covert kestrel]

punishing skill floor and high apm, but once you get it its not that bad. plus the worst ability in the game to play around is core to our current rotation so thats fun

[keen belfry]

i swear HO skill floor actually isnt too bad

[vivid vessel]

I think

It's more about having good uptime

[keen belfry]

i have a person i know who clicks buttons (rtb, ar, ks) and doesnt do "terrible" dmg

[vivid vessel]

And pressing buttons

Which isn't actually that easy for people

Like people often ask me how I do that much damage awang right

And the reality is that I press the same buttons as everyone

But just

Uptime is so important

Which isn't the case for most specs in this game

[keen belfry]

yeah

[rotund zodiac]

zac got all the rotation right 99% of the time

big dps

[keen belfry]

you really see skill gap in outlaw in terms of how greedy can u be

i legit watch ur streams zac so i can learn when to ks

[quiet root]

you don't make rotational mistakes like most of us do, or at least not as often

[vivid vessel]

It's funny cause I still think I have a huge way to go still

Which is fun

Also when I'm not good I'm not playing good

And that's also interesting to see

[rotund zodiac]

bruh I watched ur lives and try to see ur rotation whole dungeon, almost no mistake at all

👍

[vivid vessel]

How demanding it can be to play the spec but I don't realize it till Im tired

[vivid vessel]

Ye some days it will be like that

Some days tho

It wont

Gotta be in it

Locked in

[keen belfry]

i mean i hate that you cant play not 100% on current outlaw and not int

[vivid vessel]

Weird spec

[quiet root]

i have the same, huge difference between locked in and not

[vivid vessel]

Why

[keen belfry]

if i have like an okay outlaw run ive inted

too much brain

[vivid vessel]

It's kinda what draws me to the spec

[fallen knot]

zac do i send dinar on pacemaker for the funsies yes or no

[vivid vessel]

Like I'm trying to play perfect

And I can't

And it's satisfying

I can always be better

[keen belfry]

i mean i agree i think its what keeps me playing outlaw too, but sometimes i wanna play okay and live

[covert kestrel]

ye other specs are so brain dead im bored and dont like playing

[vivid vessel]

I like it

[hot olive]

in 20 priory zac posted on first pull he presed vanish twice he human:)

or can be wa bug

[vivid vessel]

Ye

I did that I think

Happens once every

100 keys

I think I pressed a trinket

Inside vanihs

[hot olive]

yup happens

[keen belfry]

ive pressed vanish then trinket this season a few times

[vivid vessel]

But tbh that's not the kind of mistakes I do usually

[keen belfry]

feels kind abad

[vivid vessel]

It's legit a 5 times a season type of shit

Bro isn't the 20 priory the one I died on first boss

While I had perfected that boss so much

[hot olive]

yessss

[red zinc]

Yer

[vivid vessel]

I hadn't gotten hit by that

[hot olive]

to hurl spear

[vivid vessel]

In like

100 priory

Not joking btw

And on the 20

I get hit

It do be like that sometimes

[red zinc]

I thought it was just healer death

[quiet root]

what kind of mistakes do you make more often?

[vivid vessel]

Builder stuffs

Like not pressing the correct builder

Etc

Stuffs like that happen often

You guys probably not notice it when watching tho

[vagrant saddle]

builder when ace procs, i do that 10 times per key

[vivid vessel]

Ok well

That I never do tho

[lilac jungle]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue fr

[hot olive]

compare our gameplay to balance druid lol

[covert kestrel]

unseen blade builder messups

[vagrant saddle]

tru

[stiff glade]

bilders are definitely the easiest to mess up, especially if a lot of stuff is happening and you waste a UB stack of something

[hot olive]

diff game

[vivid vessel]

But ye I more meant pressing SS to when I should be pressing bf or ps

[quiet root]

i sometimes miss BF coming off cd for a gcd and press wrong builder instead

[vivid vessel]

Since with ub and shit

Sometimes it's a bit

[fallen knot]

i find unseen blade overcapping the hardest thing now tbh

[vivid vessel]

You can't be perfect

[fallen knot]

cause it's weird

as fuck

[abstract frost]

how do coup work on outlaw

can we just send at any cps?

or do we need to build it up to 6+?

[fallen knot]

preferred following cp spender rules

if you have ready and 1 is up

send low cp

[vivid vessel]

Send at the max cp you can whole not pressing SS to build

[fallen knot]

the unseen blade stuff

[rotund zodiac]

if u have to SS to build but have coup, just send coup

[abstract frost]

on assa its 5+ finishers. is it the same on outlaw?

or is it 6+ on outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Same 6

[quiet root]

6+ outside subterfuge, 5+ inside

[vivid vessel]

Also on assa it's every finisher that is 5

[rotund zodiac]

you can sometimes 5+ if playing HO I think

[vivid vessel]

So that doesn't count

[fallen knot]

do you not gamble sometimes for the adrenaline

[bronze bough]

Hey - When using the weaponswap macro and having x2 Crowd Favorite, it swaps the MH weap even though my macro says slot 17 - Any way around it?

[fallen knot]

and send a 1cp bte for the proc

ace proc

[vivid vessel]

I gamble a lot

For kir mostly

I love kir gambling

Fishing till the last moment !

Holy shmoly

Feels so good

[rotund zodiac]

keep rolling till I get 5 buffs

[vivid vessel]

No that's stupid cuh

[fallen knot]

no

it's gambling

[rotund zodiac]

my wa

[fallen knot]

i need 43 to 133 gilded

[rotund zodiac]

[quiet root]

i get mad and send 4cp bte at the end of subterfuge if i didn't get anything to proc 🙂

[fallen knot]

and rogue is basically full bis

[quiet root]

gotta feel like the subterfuge was worth it a little

[fallen knot]

higher ilvl than dk

[pastel sierra]

I love fishing and then accidentally pressing rtb > kir instead of the right way around

[vivid vessel]

When you vanihs bte then press SS 5 times

[quiet root]

exactly

[vivid vessel]

Bro I did that last time in top

Was so mad

I had a 5 buff

[pastel sierra]

Yeah enjoy your 50s 2 buff idiot

[vivid vessel]

I just rerolled then kir

A one

[hot olive]

i do do that too

shit is too fast

[keen belfry]

do u guys ever SS at 6 cps with UB proc to get coup

i do and idk why i do

[quiet root]

i do

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[quiet root]

it might be bad but it feels correct

[vivid vessel]

I ss at full co

Sometimes

[keen belfry]

yeah same

[vivid vessel]

In my opener

[keen belfry]

is it correct?

[vivid vessel]

No idea

Cba sometimes

[keen belfry]

i just do it

[vivid vessel]

It's faster

[keen belfry]

cuz i wanna coup

[vivid vessel]

And faster is better sometimes

[quiet root]

yeah it's awkward when you have to dispatch, ss again, low cp coup, and then you can finally vanish

i feel like it can't be right to do it that way

if the situation comes up

surely ss at 6 into coup has to be better than that

i guess you don't know beforehand that the coup will be low cp, but still

[austere pivot]

I was curious everyones thoughts on outlaw M+ build vs the bleed assa one for keys 12-17. I've heard combat can be better for ST and likely better overall. I'm currently playing assa bleed build and wanted to try outlaw.

[quiet root]

my thoughts are that assa is boring and outlaw fun 🙂

[red zinc]

So true bestie

[rotund zodiac]

I have a question, inside crackshot window, your ADR buff is low but ADR is off CD and you can also use deft, do you send ADR first or deft first?

[quiet root]

i press ADR because then you get an extra bte instead of a builder

[austere pivot]

Which is why I wanted to try it. Was just wondering how the numbies compare

[covert kestrel]

and more restless on adr

[rotund zodiac]

got it

[quiet root]

might get enough ace procs that you don't have to press deft inside window at all, too

[rotund zodiac]

[bright crane]

Quick q

Do you guys spend a SC charge on QdG?

[covert kestrel]

Queue de Grace

I try not to cause it doesnt effect the coup the same way as other finishers iirc but sometimes it be like that? i might not be doing it right tho

[red zinc]

why doesnt it

[bright crane]

It does seem to benefit from the extra CDR

From the extra CP

[raven apex]

Is Killing Spree mandatory or build without is viable ? Im getting mad to die when i use it ..

[red zinc]

for m+ it isnt

raid you can play fatebound and be ok

[raven apex]

In raid mostly

[bright crane]

Can damn near knock off 30secs with TB

[prisma sapphire]

M+ KS is for the most part okay. just requires timing properly but for me it gets crazy to use in Workshop

[raven apex]

Is this big diff or ?

[covert kestrel]

i thought it doesnt effect the other strikes or w.e so it wasnt as efficient as other supercharged. might be cooked

[bright crane]

But idk if that’s worth over the extra damage from BTE during crackshot

[prisma sapphire]

cause the boss fights get so long and there's a ton of gears flying around and crap

[red zinc]

could be no clue

[prisma sapphire]

so you gotta do tiny KSs or take a ride on the wild side

[raven apex]

i feel you

[red zinc]

nothing about that in faq

[raven apex]

Two time i die from beam in cauldron

[vivid vessel]

its less efficient than bte cause bte also has ace attached to it

but you cant do shit about that anyway

[ancient cobalt]

anyone playing ks on sprocket? is it worth

[prisma sapphire]

well KS is fine in raid except Sprocket/mugzee

for mythic

[raven apex]

why did they change the spell, before position was the same from beginin and end no ?

[covert kestrel]

just gotta get that cloak out in time and you can top the healing meters

[ancient cobalt]

why mugzee?

[bright crane]

Okay so tl;dr is to not use SC for qdg

[prisma sapphire]

100% can't use it on sprocket

[raven apex]

yeah no one using it in sprocket

[ancient cobalt]

aww man ok

[prisma sapphire]

for mugzee i'm less sure but the meta builds went fate

[remote pecan]

i used it for 1 pull on sprocklet during prog, very funny

[prisma sapphire]

so i just use fate on that boss

[ancient cobalt]

cool cool ty

[prisma sapphire]

on mythic that is

[ancient cobalt]

gonna swap to otl next week prob

acquired all the pieces, just need to craft 2 rings and a chest piece

[prisma sapphire]

i was praying for KS rework in 11.1.7 but i highly doubt it'll happen

[raven apex]

they just have to stop this moving shit

[prisma sapphire]

and outlaw has sort of fallen off the dps charts in raid it seems

[raven apex]

spell is cool and fun

[remote pecan]

ks aint ever getting reworked, best to learn to play around it

[prisma sapphire]

but overall also i'm actually starting to get wrist pain from playing outlaw for like 8 hours a day for a couple seasons in a row finally

[covert kestrel]

if they leave both trickster/ks as they currently are for next season thats a good ol reason to take a fatty break for 11.2

[prisma sapphire]

so i think i might have to give the spec a long break

other specs get to do more dps with lower APM so maybe that relates

[covert kestrel]

mmo mouse lowkey nice for outlaw imo

[vivid vessel]

i need to finally separate myself from the g502 logitech

[prisma sapphire]

i'm all logitech myself

[vivid vessel]

im thinking about this

cause its a middle ground a bit

i think mmo mouses have too many buttons

[covert kestrel]

g600!

[covert kestrel]

i agree tbh

[prisma sapphire]

i have g502 too

[vivid vessel]

i wish i could use a g502 forever

but

the new version keeps breaking on cd

and the old one is too old

[ancient cobalt]

i took like a 1 year break from otl

[prisma sapphire]

from my experience

[vivid vessel]

and its starting to wear too much for me

[cinder relic]

This what i'm rockin

[prisma sapphire]

once these soft tissue pains develop

[ancient cobalt]

but not for wrists i just got hella bored of it after playing it all last xpac

[covert kestrel]

I want a mouse with like 6 sidebuttons

[prisma sapphire]

they don't really ever go away

i got like a pressure sore issue on my right wrist

that if i keep it on a hard surface for an hour

it really aches

[covert kestrel]

what brand is this

[prisma sapphire]

so it's just part of wear and tear/permanent changes as you get older

[vivid vessel]

corsair

[ancient cobalt]

corsair scimitar da goat

[prisma sapphire]

but you just gotta modify your way of playing to make it feel less painful

[vivid vessel]

its this thing

[ancient cobalt]

i need all my mouse buttons cause of my petite cute hands

[vivid vessel]

im gonna be ho9nest the fact it has the same format as the g502

[lime lake]

the day my old g600 finally dies will be a sad one

[vivid vessel]

is a big factor in my choice

[lime lake]

i have no idea what i'll do then lmao

[vivid vessel]

itys hard to change mouses

[glass timber]

Should I pick Ravenous Honey Buzzer or Grim Codex over Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker, if I already have Geargrinder's spare Keys?

It's another on use trinket and they both sim higher than ISP'

[red zinc]

uhm

link those sims if you could

[hybrid crown]

Fun fact

Japan version of Logitech is "logicool"

[glass timber]

idk if I sim correctly it's just the default sim afaik

[hybrid crown]

They still make the g600

[covert kestrel]

Double on use is ew, what is the sim difference? Like 10k?

[red zinc]

buzzer sucks regardless that trinket loses you dps with its movement

codex idk

[hybrid crown]

You can buy them on ebay

[red zinc]

shouldnt be good

[prisma sapphire]

does logitech make an MMO keyboard

[glass timber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4B84XVvFcpawoGLmpXBVMb

[prisma sapphire]

i have the g613

which has 6 extra action buttons

[past falcon]

i just use razer naga

surprisingly had it for 5 years now and everything still works

[obsidian walrus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[rotund zodiac]

I got teary eyes when playing outlaw, haven't blink too long

anyone?

[past falcon]

wear contacts, dont blink gg

[rotund zodiac]

contacts help? interesting

damn they're pricey

[past falcon]

yeah its expensive to be blind

[glass mortar]

??? Why r u not blinking

[hardy thicket]

obviously because he has to hyperfocus on rotation and cant miss a beat

[vivid vessel]

brooooo

warcraft log scammed me

[tawny thorn]

Outlaw isn’t even that brutal for your wrist

[ancient cobalt]

true we used to be the apm chads

[vivid vessel]

when im on my alt it shows 100

but on my main it doesnt

i feel scamazed

also the 100 isnt gold color

biggest scam

[tawny thorn]

#rank1 problems

[glass mortar]

Havoc is fake and fire mage less hectic

[hot olive]

[red zinc]

ruined by KS

[glass mortar]

So r tank specs

They have substantially more ogcd pad then us which is easier apm to do then just fast gcd

And havoc reads souls absorbed as apm for some reason

[tawny thorn]

Gets dispatch reads as well in vanish windows?

[glass mortar]

Not on that

In wcl it does

[vale warren]

Wcl apm is so fake it's funny

[glass mortar]

But our apm in wcl is like 140

[gaunt phoenix]

In simc, absorbing souls counts as an action

[glass mortar]

Everyone is pretty fake in wcl

[vale warren]

Counts ps as 3 casts

[glass mortar]

Ah that explains it

Still fake tho

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

Outlaw is realistically the highest dps apm

[glass mortar]

Only real ones r fire mage and tanks but the tank I checked had more then double our ogcds

They had like 30-40% of their apm coming from ogcd

[vale warren]

Which one was that

[glass mortar]

Which is substantially easier apm to pull off cmm

That was prot palla

[vale warren]

Warr is also ogcd spam

[glass mortar]

Ye

Same for fire magus

They r probably the closest to us in raw speed but they have more ogcds

[keen belfry]

yeah fire is very fast

[subtle field]

what stone do you use on the mace? when i say stone I mean something like the whetstone you can put on swords and daggers

[tawny thorn]

What does wcl mean?

[gaunt phoenix]

Warcraftlogs

[gaunt phoenix]

Weightstone

same thing different name

[red zinc]

why does that new event scale down your gear

[vivid vessel]

can someone tldr

wtf is the thing

the event

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt look at it

[vivid vessel]

i cba reading a wowhead arcticle

[red zinc]

its literally just 5min trash and boss rush that you have to get a highscore on

[vivid vessel]

about casual content

[gaunt phoenix]

is it relevant to endgame

[red zinc]

that gives toys and mount

[gaunt phoenix]

pve

[red zinc]

its not relevant at all

[vivid vessel]

ok

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

no mogs ?

only mounts and toys?

[red zinc]

uh

some shoulder mogs that are just recolors of undermine

[vivid vessel]

alright

idc then

[subtle field]

thanks 🙂

[red zinc]

oh big stick also

might be cool for monk

[vivid vessel]

hm

can you see it in game

[red zinc]

ye

go to npc next to dummies

the goblin

[fallen knot]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

alright you lost me

ty for the help tho

[red zinc]

what

[vivid vessel]

i tought there would be a menu

going to a npc

is too much for me

ty tho

[round matrix]

oi quick question, is 15% haste enough for the KIR m plus build? or should i get like 17 and more

[gaunt phoenix]

nah you need 19%

[glass mortar]

15% is enough to haste flask and play it

[gaunt phoenix]

well 18% is close enough sometimes

[glass mortar]

but no its not enough on its own

[gaunt phoenix]

basically you have to reach 25% haste during adrenaline rush

with 19.05% haste from gear, this becomes 25% after alacrity bonus

the HO build has extra haste talents so the only reason it uses so much haste is for energy

[round matrix]

awesome. thanks for the explanation guys ^^ hope the pickpocket grants you wax

[shy sandal]

does weekly sim work for nightfall weapon or does it have to be latest?

[latent oak]

should work

remember u have to sim for dslice for it to work

not just 5t patchwork or whatever

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[tawny thorn]

Is ho so much stronger or am I fine using the other build? Even for high keys

[gaunt phoenix]

they are both competitive. a variant of the KIR build (KIR 1 FTH) is most popular at high keys even

[vivid vessel]

remember the guys that came in here

and was like

at least warrior discord didnt change their icon

[glass mortar]

should work for both but there is no reason to weekly sim (basically ever)

dw the pride haters have a refuge

of course its the priests without a rainbow

[vivid vessel]

well dk wl mage and priest

[glass mortar]

im not in any of those but priest

but ye

[bright crane]

Day 1 post purge

No cringe copy pasta

Life is good

[vapid sundial]

one more vision!

and i am free!

[fallen knot]

ACCEPT

I NEED TO TRY A WA

[vivid vessel]

no

ok

[fallen knot]

ok

i updated

the cycler and fucked my keybinds

i realised mid key

i could not sprint

or use hpot

[vapid sundial]

and then i get the bug where your follower doesnt help open the gate

this game is going to make me mad

and uninstall again

i swar

[shy sandal]

well the nightfall weapon sims the best so should i just not get mugzee weapon? what else do i want from the coins

[gaunt phoenix]

Nightfall weapon is only good on trash. its not good on bosses

In keys you use a macro to swap weapons

Before bosses

[shy sandal]

u can swap weapon mid key?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[keen belfry]

can u skip to OAB if you have kiled OAB

or is it mugzee

[gaunt phoenix]

uhhhhhhhhh

i thinkso

[vivid vessel]

ye there is a skip to oab

[keen belfry]

there is skip to OAB but is it gated behind killing mugzee

[gaunt phoenix]

What

[vapid sundial]

[keen belfry]

hahahah

[gaunt phoenix]

for your sake this reads like sarcasm

[glass mortar]

he has a newflag solo so

but if we let him cook we might get some more banger scriptureposting

[vagrant minnow]

He’s posting in every channel

[pastel sierra]

He did also post it in all channels

[vagrant minnow]

It’s a very clear troll

[glass mortar]

idk his profile says mentally ill raid leader

[gilded karma]

[glass mortar]

what if they are on OaB and the poor man is broken

[vapid sundial]

hes for sure trolling

[glass mortar]

now hes just trying to save others

[shy sandal]

so is the gain "worth it" for swithing OH on bosses and trash like is there a number someone can give me ?

[keen belfry]

bad ddvice solo this is wrong. step down from green name

[gaunt phoenix]

?!

[keen belfry]

all in favor?

AYE!

[vivid vessel]

guys

[keen belfry]

u can skip to OAB but u have to kill mug

[vivid vessel]

pornhub shut down in france

waht do now

[gaunt phoenix]

[vagrant minnow]

Solo does this themself.
I’d never want my goat demoted

[vagrant minnow]

Guess you gotta play WoW more now :/

[vivid vessel]

...

that it would happen during this month of all months !

crazy stuffs

[glass mortar]

?????

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it's about 2% either which way

[glass mortar]

sounds like u need a femboywife sooner rather then later then

but also why

[shy sandal]

oh thats pretty cool

[vagrant minnow]

Weran offering or?

[gaunt phoenix]

the mace is good because Vanish resets the proc. but not on bosses

[glass mortar]

pay for my cosmetic surgeries and break both my knees and get me to lose 30 pounds and sure

[shy sandal]

is there a WA or something that can remind me to switch OH before/after boss?

[red zinc]

hi

[gaunt phoenix]

!wa

[glass mortar]

otherwise i dont think i fit the model very well

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[shy sandal]

oh wow

didnt expect that xD

[glass mortar]

we are big on ethical item abuse in this discord

because law is a very... strange spec

[gaunt phoenix]

cause it was like a month ago

[glass mortar]

so we get to abuse funny items fairly often

[gaunt phoenix]

old news !

[glass mortar]

and optimize around them

[red zinc]

ill have you know i found this tech

[gaunt phoenix]

really

[glass mortar]

its ok its a good tech

[vivid vessel]

guys i need help

[glass mortar]

not like when we discovered kazzak neck years ago

[vivid vessel]

i have been stuck for 10 min

on a captcha

[red zinc]

i demand my microcelebrity status for testing this weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

lmfao

[vagrant minnow]

You’re already my favorite twink in this server what more do you need bbgirl?

[gaunt phoenix]

i get stuck on motorcycle or bike cause im not sure if it is including the person on the bike

[red zinc]

just hit my twink revival

[vivid vessel]

bro im just losing tho

its legit infinite

[shy sandal]

lol

reload it tf

[vivid vessel]

ye i did

ok guys so

i can confirm

a vpn does not work

[gaunt phoenix]

[vagrant minnow]

Zac is getting farmed from captchas GG

[shy sandal]

looool

u got to torrent porn now

[vivid vessel]

[covert kestrel]

@glass mortar today on the subway a guy took off his shirt, was screaming at me to fight me, then said I was gonna give women aids and then ranted about how Michael Jackson and him were the only two people in the world trying to make it a better place and how Elvis is a lil bitch

[red zinc]

cant you just use any other site

[covert kestrel]

I love this city

[vivid vessel]

what world are we living in

[hollow temple]

soon they ban you because gooner

[vivid vessel]

??

[glass mortar]

ryu didnt take the ban well

[vivid vessel]

pornhub is legit the best site wdym use any other site

[glass mortar]

🥹

what can i say

[red zinc]

i aint getting into this

[vivid vessel]

thats like looking for something related to wow

[gaunt phoenix]

wowhub

[vivid vessel]

and not looking into wowhead

[shy sandal]

damn

[vivid vessel]

like going to icy vein or some shit

[shy sandal]

actually true

[vivid vessel]

that would be crazy

[vapid sundial]

zac no longer a gooner

gg

[glass mortar]

but yea nyc subways do go crazy

[red zinc]

zac aint a prof gooner

[gaunt phoenix]

you should ask somnius

[vivid vessel]

nah bro

you always find a way

[red zinc]

hes going to jork it to warcraft logs

[glass mortar]

isnt there like an onlyfangs or something? idk i see posts about it all the time

[vivid vessel]

tim

[glass mortar]

i assumed it was just lots of xal toe posts but

maybe go try that

💅

[vivid vessel]

i have been farming wcl

to have the pretty 100

on the addon

[glass mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766349238941777931/1294179081151189036/lmfao.gif

[glass mortar]

there u go zac

[red zinc]

i saw