yo gamers how good is that Conductor's Wax Whistle trinket? I know it's supposedly decent but is it worth taking in vault over Myth chest piece? for Ref I have HC pacemaker and spent Dinar on Myth Geargrinder trinket
#outlaw
)
fathom bramble
neither of those chests are particularly good anyway
might come down to what other items you own and if you want to catalyze them I guess
tulip quarry
Sim it ?
cedar hatch
ye guess it's a sim angle but hard to sim for M+ reliably
tulip quarry
DS is ok for outlaw
cedar hatch
ah good to know, thanks a lot m8!
ebon nimbus
so which wep is more important? in farm i wanna play outlaw. do i buy mugzee or gally with my chip?
and for raid i shall use this build here according to faq? beside sprocket maybe
or did i missunderstood
fallen knot
capo is used both in m+ and raid, gally is good only in st, if you have to choose i'd say buy mythic capo
ebon nimbus
i have gally hc
but else weared max daggers
myth
so i thought about one mainwep and dagger in offhand
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix i think the faq for builds in st
is a bit weird rn
we shouldnt recommend kir fb by default
we should recommend ho trickster
ebon nimbus
iam okayish player in general i would say
but i had a hard time to read and understand it
it feels like it has soooooooo many options
vivid vessel
like see this spero guy for example, he end up playing kir trickster cause when you scroll down the faq build its the one you naturally land on
@ebon nimbus ho is prolly better in st
Like ho trickster
Kinda as a default
It's easier and slightly better
You see people play kir in raid cause it's the m+ builds and most good players prefer kir
But kir is slightly behind in raid technically
Just not enough that it mattwrs
So for a new player
By default
Unless you care about m+ and wanna train kir for example
I would just go ho trickster
hidden bay
I just realised playing kir would be so hard in raid rn
With 2fth
How do you even play 2 fth
Anymore
ebon nimbus
so my plan is to train in mplus
and do raid tomorrow
so if i read @zac correctly kir trickster is the to go
so i play every boss like this except sprocket, where i would change to fatebound
due to faq
correct?
paper pumice
am i trolling or shouldnt we get 3x more Cartel chips this week? I took the quest but it will only gimme 1x Cartel chip, have I missed something?
paper pumice
I have no raid rep 😦
I just got 3x last week
and now 1x
is it over for me or can I catch up?
paper pumice
what
hidden bay
1 chip a week
hidden bay
Yes
paper pumice
GG quit game
hidden bay
Shadowlands blizzard came back to do this .5 patch
thin fiber
is there any window where dices proc won't happen before RtB is back up again? there were instances where i had 0 procs for the full RtB cooldown duration... or am I just unlucky?
stuck timber
morning
stuck timber
guys I deal 2m dps in single target with a perfect rotation. 673ilvl. do I need haste? I have %13. I use fatebound ho in raid and trickster ho in m+
fallen knot
is remnant bad for raid?
worldly shale
unless ur magnet is hc
myth
red zinc
hm
worldly shale
geargrinder sims alot better than magnet for me
vivid vessel
so if i read @zac correctly kir trickster is the to go
Ye if you are gonna play kir in m+ might aswel get used to it
worldly shale
well ye, that was the conundrum hahaha
vivid vessel
But your performance in raid will probably be lower than when playing ho
fallen knot
from vault
vivid vessel
Idk I'm not raidbot cuh
fallen knot
but you literally are
worldly shale
i prefer pace since it aint “rng”
does crit affect performance of pace?
red zinc
shouldnt matter that much
worldly shale
12k haste, around 26k vers with flask
red zinc
just flip a coin type shi
worldly shale
nice
fatebound
brb
heads - pace
tails - whistle
oh well
but u know what they say
flip a coin and what u want it to land on
do that
ima get pace
fuck fate
mighty pivot
whistle is more thematic because what's more appropriate than launching a cart of explosives at your enemy?
red zinc
Outlaw trinkets is really
weary fog
red zinc
Slot 1: Bike/Magnet
Slot 2: Whistle/Pace
ur a fucking idiot: house of cards
worldly shale
Slot 1: Bike/Magnet
Slot 2: Whistle/Pace
ur a fucking idiot: house of cards
zac reference
red zinc
real 🗣️
fallen knot
i mean remnant does fine damage and uptime seems pretty high
red zinc
send them to new jersey: remnant
ripe ibex
i mean remnant does fine damage and uptime seems pretty high
ive done a lot of mdt sims
its good
for me at least
fallen knot
it's still probably better for me than hero magnet
fallen knot
i would like to summon a fucking pirate ship and assault the boss
distant terrace
KIR or HO for LOU Stix
fallen knot
or turn into a cannon and shoot a 1b damage cannonball
rotund zodiac
I wish pacemaker give us vers instead of crit
rotund zodiac
KIR or HO for LOU Stix
Kir
worldly shale
KIR or HO for LOU Stix
yes
rotund zodiac
distant terrace
Where can I find finishing move conditions
rotund zodiac
But actually both are good
worldly shale
I wish pacemaker give us vers instead of crit
haste 😮
fallen knot
if a ball picks you, you're better off just afk
worldly shale
if a ball picks you, you're better off just afk
i just act like it doesnt
rotund zodiac
Flushies who are you “racing” now
Nobody
heady python
Is there a WA that tracks unseen blade or when coup is going to come up?
red zinc
yes
rotund zodiac
Is there a WA that tracks unseen blade or when coup is going to come up?
!wa
red zinc
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
ancient laurel
!haste
ornate heathBOT
Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.
The 
KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from 
Alacrity.
The 
HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of 
Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
red zinc
The tracker in there is good
But for the best one, get zac’s pack and just steal the individual tracker
for guaranteed UB
rotund zodiac
Zac’s wa is goat
heady python
Mhm mhm thanks guys
fallen knot
outlaw feels omega weird
as 680 i'm doing same dps in heroic as when i was fucking 650
vapid sundial
outlaw feels like outlaw
what do you mean
thats not outlaw
that is YOU playing wrong
red zinc
as 680 i'm doing same dps in heroic as when i was fucking 650
you posted the “im only 650 and doing this dps” too much
rookie mistake
Game boomed you
vivid vessel
Slot 1: Bike/Magnet
Slot 2: Whistle/Pace
ur a fucking idiot: house of cards
hey
wtf
red zinc
real and true (message brought to you by big noodler)
wintry solar
as 680 i'm doing same dps in heroic as when i was fucking 650
I gauge my dmg increases overtime based on how easy keys are
Or whatever I'm doing that season
red zinc
Needing all 19s for title is crazy man
fallen knot
nnono in raid
red zinc
I dont see how im timing 19 brew
fallen knot
keys are just fine
fallen knot
you posted the “im only 650 and doing this dps” too much
fucking true
vapid sundial
Needing all 19s for title is crazy man
Is it tho?
they increased player level a lot and resil
both inflate it massively
red zinc
I mean
vapid sundial
and they nerfed keys at the start of this season
red zinc
im not saying the key level is crazy
just like
Normally the gap between top keys and title keys is 2 or more key levels
Its less on avg this season
vapid sundial
I think a lot less ppl are playing so its only the good boys rn
ebon nimbus
my sim says take gally hc over myth dagger https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xt28RX4dLRWKpU7UWAGSek
do you agree?
😄
vapid sundial
prob both
cuz i know a lot of people who were pushing for r1 last season arent this time around
ebon nimbus
so how could i reflect what i need for gally for example
vapid sundial
For pure st sure
I mean, offhand barely matters as is so its possible the weapon effect just rolls over the Il
fallen knot
ok so hero magnet sims more than remnant myth in single target
vapid sundial
I have concluded this game hates me
i come back from a break and my first item from vault is haste mastery bracers
vapid sundial
kek
red zinc
Thats haste mastery too
vapid sundial
yeah
red zinc
vapid sundial
I actually got like
the worst thing possible
took hero track shoulders
I needa do raid but idk if i can bring myself to step foot in there again
raid is a pos
fallen knot
no i mean
magnet is way better in shorter fights
cause you always have 5k mainstat+ the on use
yes exactly sims confirm
and on a 10minute sum they're about the same
pretty weird ngl
vapid sundial
its cuz remnant sucks
fallen knot
should i dinar a pacemaker and go full woxtoxic remnant+pacemaker?
vapid sundial
no
fallen knot
no i should not or
vapid sundial
the difference between the 0.1 and 0.5 is xd
red zinc
I think they should keep title
But do like top 100 achievements for every spec
That reward housing trophies or something
rotund zodiac
That’s cool too
red zinc
would make people play other stuff and add some new stuff to pursue
we’d get 1 unemployment final boss that would get every trophy
Go hard asf
vapid sundial
zac
red zinc
zac has a job
vapid sundial
not if they make that
rotund zodiac
Zac is just too good
vapid sundial
I just play outlaw and enh
tho enh lost part of its spark for me
since you dont need to tab target at all now
title push on it was fun tho
vivid vessel
But do like top 100 achievements for every spec
top 100
aint even 100 outlaws cuh
give me a top 1
red zinc
give me a top 1
u’d lose to dogwoofwoof, he could time a rookery 20
vivid vessel
rotund zodiac
Flushies who are you “racing” now
I just understood what you said, what happened to Ryu??
red zinc
perma’d
red zinc
his old messages were too much
aint even do anything yesterday whispyr just wasnt a fan
rotund zodiac
No more ryu, no more yapper
haughty wigeon
rotund zodiac
red zinc
hate that guy
Im popping feint+eva+cloak+healthpot+bike on your ass in top duel u bum
icy hare
Torn between Rezan and HoC for this weeks Dinar for M+
icy hare
what gear do you have rn
Mythic Junk and Geargrinder
red zinc
and you have crowd favorite/capo already?
icy hare
Yeah
red zinc
can go for it then i guess
icy hare
Might have to sim the dungeon trinkets too
red zinc
neither of those trinkets are really better in m+, myth pace/whistle are better for 2nd slot
id run magnet+pace personally
wintry solar
No more ryu, no more yapper
Who else will make bad builds and treat them as the 2nd coming??
civic void
neither of those trinkets are really better in m+, myth pace/whistle are better ...
Are you implying Zac is spreading misinformation with HoC, might need Whispyr to check that
icy hare
Actually think I got a myth pace in the vault a few weeks back 😅
vivid vessel
Are you implying Zac is spreading misinformation with HoC, might need Whispyr to...
yooooooo
wtf !
guys
red zinc
Are you implying Zac is spreading misinformation with HoC, might need Whispyr to...
no hoc is good it literally just doesnt matter
fallow hinge
anyone happen to know if lock'n'stalk gets toggled to aoe mode in raidbots for multi target or expert sims using mdtroute?
red zinc
passive trinket does the same total or better probably if you take st into account
And doesnt require to put on bar
civic void
grim spear
…
hollow temple
Are you implying Zac is spreading misinformation with HoC, might need Whispyr to...
yes
@vivid vessel explain yourself !
fallow hinge
passive trinket does the same total or better probably if you take st into accou...
that's not what I'm asking
wintry solar
He's saying get a new trinket
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> explain yourself !
bruhda !
fallow hinge
He's saying get a new trinket
I'm not even asking for outlaw, I'm asking a specific raidbots question :<
wintry solar
:<
vapid sundial
!!!!!
fallow hinge
I just know that zac is here and he usually knows a lot about raidbots
and the hunter discord has not been able to answer my question
fallen knot
happens with every discord dw
fallow hinge
ye but zac is a pinnacle of knowledge :<
fallen knot
i also come here asking stuff about the class i'm playing the season
and i get the answer most of the time
fallen knot
well
wintry solar
Not true
fallow hinge
yeah not true
fallen knot
i actually main shaman
fallow hinge
it's more like 96%
vapid sundial
and your message gets lost in the cacophony
wintry solar
Yall talk about boring stuff like sims
fallen knot
and outlaw is my 3rd alt
wintry solar
And other stuff
wintry solar
RAHHHHH
fallow hinge
we had a wild chat yesterday
fallen knot
i'm sad i was not here to witness the usual degen yapping
fallow hinge
They were literally talking about my toilet yesterday
why? does it deviate from a typical toilet?
vapid sundial
why? does it deviate from a typical toilet?
'rip my toilet' bc i ate too much chilli or something
fallow hinge
i'm sad i was not here to witness the usual degen yapping
a bunch of people got banned for speaking out against the banner change
fallow hinge
'rip my toilet' bc i ate too much chilli or something
oh
I was hoping you'd say yes, your toilet is in fact an innovative product that eases the process of expelling waste
fallow hinge
neither does Guy
he was on it regarding mutes and stuff
it was very reassuring to see
vapid sundial
oh that reminds me seeing you type
@hidden bay im sorry i gave in
I needed my outlaw fix
ks never fixed now
wintry solar
hidden bay
i was gonna type to guild chat not even here
wintry solar
Stealthless kir jumpscare!
mighty pivot
what in tarnation
vapid sundial
mighty pivot
should've left it there
vapid sundial
wintry solar
Nah
vapid sundial
im debating whether to actually do keys to get my rogue gear or play more aram
wintry solar
Though forbidden knowledge is forbidden for a reason
red zinc
Legion remix going to go so hard (infinite stat scaling of useless stats)
vapid sundial
but 6am keys are kinda cursed idk
vapid sundial
Legion remix going to go so hard (infinite stat scaling of useless stats)
me when bfa remix and we get inf scaling with crit vers
mighty pivot
what % of outlaws do you think would use this if it was the default spec on wowhead
wintry solar
what % of outlaws do you think would use this if it was the default spec on wowh...
A good bit
Reddit would be happy
wintry solar
Lol
vapid sundial
'so happy to see combat is back!!!'
mighty pivot
only if it's 60% white dmg
wintry solar
They were happier back then so they tie combat to better times
vapid sundial
i was happier back then
wintry solar
And?
vapid sundial
i didnt play wow
mighty pivot
that shit was boring as hell
yeah but you could watch a series while playing, while now you only get a 3s break to sip some choccymilk whenever you send that 10cp KS
fallow hinge
yeah but you could watch a series while playing, while now you only get a 3s bre...
get a long straw, now you can sippy whenever you want
wintry solar
Idk how people watch WoW gameplay recreationally
vapid sundial
i cant stand it
wintry solar
That shit SO boring
wintry solar
I felt nostalgic the other day so I decided to watch some old outlaw gameplay
Holy shit
mighty pivot
get a long straw, now you can sippy whenever you want
if it's more than 18cm it's too long
vapid sundial
i wathced my hivemind kill recently
always makes me lauhg
watching divers folyl go apeshit
wintry solar
Helps me remember high adr uptime doesn't necessarily equal fun outlaw
hardy vault
Idk how people watch WoW gameplay recreationally
Wow is 100% second monitor content
Streamer needs to be entertaining
Or music be good
mighty pivot
or just hatewatching
wintry solar
I only watch awc and only if there's a dk. Which means I watch about 4 matches lol
hardy vault
I watch rwf
hardy vault
Thats it
vapid sundial
rather watch anything else
vapid sundial
Helps me remember high adr uptime doesn't necessarily equal fun outlaw
well
8.3 we had decently high uptime
wintry solar
Yeah 8.3 was high
vapid sundial
cuz of power
vapid sundial
yee
wintry solar
Yeah
That's what I was trying to imply but I forgot the name of it
Also opp proc was higher
But mainly wits
wintry solar
Blizz cooked with BFA/SL outlaw for sure
wintry solar
Personally
vapid sundial
close aint enough
wintry solar
Same
I like both kir and ho
A grim reminder that spec design has ups and downs
Also, pardon my ignorance, but does anyone else feel like energy management doesn't exist anymore? Me personally I feel like I have infinite energy or none at all.
vapid sundial
yes
wintry solar
I genuinely forget energy exists more than half the time
valid kindle
maybe blasphemy but I feel the spec with the best energy economy is feral
jolly geyser
you def remember with no ar and shit rtb
wintry solar
Yeah with no adr but that's because I'm bad and deserved it
wintry solar
Fr
wintry solar
the loop of no ar = no dmg is terrible
It's on my wishlist
vapid sundial
It's on my wishlist
hitlist*
vale warren
Lol @ that guy who got banned earlier saying warrior discord is based cause no lgbtq
wintry solar
But yeah as long as what you said exists, the spec will be fine to me at best.
vale warren
Damn I got owned
vapid sundial
SLOW
wintry solar
Grandpa
vale warren
Nah everyone who noticed before me is a neet and everyone who notices after me is slow
vapid sundial
jolly geyser
rpg
vale warren
Why do all the wow servers have rbg?
I think she died a couple years ago
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> i think the faq for builds in st
It was cause of ks but it's prob fine to recommend ks by default in raid now
vapid sundial
End of SL / start of df
wintry solar
Same time outlaw lost all its cool stuff
I refuse to believe the two aren't related
vapid sundial
vapid sundial
I was one of the first and I hold that title proudly
vapid sundial
i just kinda go through the motions with outlaw rn
vapid sundial
femboy
vivid vessel
It was cause of ks but it's prob fine to recommend ks by default in raid now
Ye true I get you
wintry solar
the fact we were the odd one out on it
Dk only got one
vapid sundial
zac!
vapid sundial
Dk only got one
ye but sub and sin got their own unique one
feral glen
Is there a way to escape M mugzee jail?
vapid sundial
while the one we should have gotten was class tree
wintry solar
Oh yeah
vapid sundial
@vivid vessel does wowanal work on m+ logs
wintry solar
hollow temple
It doesn't support kir
neither do we 
wintry solar
Oh god trickz is typing
gaunt phoenix
Furry month
vapid sundial
are u saying all furries are gay
wintry solar
In their own way
vapid sundial
real
alright time to see if theres anything up i cna get my rogue into
I also need to make it show my main
on rio
fuck
rotund zodiac
Furry month<:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
wintry solar
Any acro missers?
rapid ore
every day 
wintry solar
Shoutout to my fellow acro missers
rotund zodiac
I like being able to dodge shit and still in melee range
vapid sundial
It was part of our identity
why i say i wish it was never added to class tree
as we may still have it then
ebon nimbus
does anybody know why sometimes my rtb buffs have a boarder and sometimes not?
ebon nimbus
cto should only give for 8 seconds, if i read the talent correctly
but iam complete beginner, so this may be wrong
currently on trying to understand when i reroll and when i dont
the conditions are not in my head yet
gaunt phoenix
I dont know your weakaura
ebon nimbus
i think it is an old version of atrocity
i mean if it makes sense, i can replace with the one from faq
i always try to have least amount of wa, as i feel its often bloated
rotund zodiac
does anybody know why sometimes my rtb buffs have a boarder and sometimes not?
Buffs with border will stay after rtb? Idk
gaunt phoenix
You just pressed kir, i thought it was saying your buffs wont get rolled away by the next cast
But then they all should have a border
ebon nimbus
i give it a try, thanks
sour vault
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
wheat shuttle
🤮
vivid vessel
I guess, sort of
What is
hasty warren
yo pirates
vapid sundial
Doing a ML and the pala healer left bc they couldnt do the skip after first pull
vivid vessel
ah yeah, that is the Zac's group listed in the weakauras trigger
Ye
hasty warren
does the group include the RtB tracker also listed in the wa trigger?
y
with blue red and yellow rolls
random stirrup
your wa disgusted him so much he left the server
rotund zodiac
what did bro do
late swallow
Insane that people get bothered so much
rich blaze
vale warren
His first message in 8 months lol
ebon nimbus
how do you guys manage to keep the 20 rules for when to roll and when to not roll in your head
wtf 😄
mighty pivot
start with the basic stuff, then start incorporating more peculiar rules once you are comfortable
vivid vessel
So like
This is what's in the faq Spero right
The commented out line doesn't concern you, since you have tier
vivid vessel
Rolling without buffs (prepull) is obvious and it would be covered by the second rule anyway
proven ocean
blizzard wants to make their own shit fucking ui and they cant let us hide this fucking bullshit
vivid vessel
The one in the short faq is good enough
proven ocean
ion idiotstas
random stirrup
those also aren't really rules they're guidelines for feelycrafting
blissful idol
would it make more sense to play sub for locket progress?
vivid vessel
Not really
All 3 specs are doing similar st on this boss aren't they
And it's mostly a 100% uptime blss
vapid sundial
okay real talk
its insane to me how bad players are when im gearing an alt
like this is absurd
why are u losing dps to someone 30 IL below u and with last season tier
vivid vessel
If you have to do the far bomb when you stay behind tho you will wanna kill yourself tho
But other than that
vivid vessel
What
ebon nimbus
so for mplus ho is recommended in faq. but i remember you said i should go for kir. is this the correct build then?
vivid vessel
We don't have deathstalker buddy
blissful idol
fatebound sorry
vivid vessel
so for mplus ho is recommended in faq. but i remember you said i should go for k...
That do be kir ye
I mean idk you could also play ho in.m+
vapid sundial
I forget who it was that told me about being able to do like
18-19 and it only shows those 2
you are goated
vivid vessel
It's easier and won't be that far off
ebon nimbus
as iam new i want to learn for raid and thought this would be good training
random stirrup
<@352916297262301194> and deathstalker is the better option here?
trickster is unplayable on m sprocket
vivid vessel
If you wanna be a bit serious about it tho I think kir is worth learning
ebon nimbus
go with similar build i mean
random stirrup
you cannot press killing spree for a majority of the fight so the hero talent just bricks itself
jolly geyser
Erm
blissful idol
trickster is unplayable on m sprocket
yeah i thought so
jolly geyser
vapid sundial
im sorry ram that was mean
jolly geyser
I meant cat erm
vapid sundial
man i hate this time of day
jolly geyser
im sorry ram that was mean
Blocked,im sad now
jolly geyser
New xp to try
tropic geode
We are about to start prog on mythic bandit today, any tips and tricks for outlaw to make life easier? 🙂
shell fossil
ye stix manne
passed this to raid leads cause we're doing it wrong lol https://youtu.be/zV1d5GUnmJ8?si=5ARHGyTy4-Pkhg8_&t=158
feral knoll
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
rotund zodiac
By the time I get back home from work, M+ are dead in my realm
vapid sundial
well
rotund zodiac
No pushing for me on work day
vapid sundial
7am on a wends is not it
rotund zodiac
vivid vessel
my eyes are closed
glass mortar
I'm at like 11300 haste and I can't drop enough to swap to a haste jewelry to get back to 12.5k
And if I try 2 make it work with a haste flask I'm just gaining crit for vers
I already have 28% crit
Its so over for kir for me
Criiinge
blissful idol
read enough
glass mortar
Haste
glass mortar
It's like 17%
vapid sundial
smh
glass mortar
Just under 17
vapid sundial
they cant get enough for kir
glass mortar
The issue is I have 28% crit and ho is mogging kir in any sim I do now
blissful idol
haste flask?
glass mortar
And I cannot trade crit for vers or haste effectively
To make kir good
Can't make a haste flask work
I think I need to craft a cloak
And engi bracers
blissful idol
just swap enchants to vers and use haste flask or
glass mortar
That's still like 15000 haste
I'm not trying to get kir haste I'm trying to get kir haste in such a way that kir isn't losing by like 5% to ho
Which means I need to trade like 5k crit for haste and vers
vivid vessel
get the ring from oab noob
glass mortar
Trash master plus oab ring plus engi bracers
vapid sundial
for rogue for my currently ratty rogue
vivid vessel
keyso r visions
why would you do visions
late swallow
this trinket is better than the belt ya?
yeah trinket for sure
that trinket is good for all 3 specs pretty much
red zinc
fashofasho
proven ocean
Ur cooked som guy
late swallow
Ur cooked som guy
bring to a boil, then take it down to a simmer
proven ocean
I heard ii got lucky?
Yea we’re all jealous bro
winged depot
its that good? I'd assume u all have crafted gear at max item lvl and better stuff
hybrid crown
I want more leech pieces
winged depot
can't u craft trinkets
red zinc
no
winged depot
oh
hybrid crown
I pulled a myth dagger in case I have to switch to poopy assassination for the last few bosses
Outlaw seems really good on oab
There's so much going on yet KS is so free to use
red zinc
maybe im delulu but
if you need specific specs to kill bosses now still
it just doesnt make sense
Like we’re 24 ilvls + 15% + 3% + 2% stronger than when other guilds killed the boss
its just execution you really aint needing specs
hybrid crown
I'm thinking I'll stick with outlaw unless I just feel like it's throwing to run outlaw
late swallow
the raid nerfs + giga gear boost made raid comp kind of irrelevant
red zinc
i mean you still want buffs and immunities and what not
But the raid result wont change from you playing outlaw or assa atp
or sub
i really just dont believe that
proven ocean
the raid nerfs + giga gear boost made raid comp kind of irrelevant
Idm the super raid nerfs
hybrid crown
I agree
proven ocean
Ce was irrelevant for a long while anyway
red zinc
natty progression is pretty nice as well
proven ocean
If ur bragging about cutting edge ur prob a very average player
red zinc
Instead of needing to wait for a blessed patch note for boss nerfs
You just get gradually stronger
i think the way they did this season is fine, but they can do a few less extra things
red zinc
Cause stacking aura buff + turbo boost + corruptions + belt is just too extra
red zinc
like stacking aura buff + 1 item OR turbo boost would be fine
proven ocean
Ya
red zinc
but theyre raking in subs with this so
Probably staying for another season or two
What if they add a 5P effect in the .5 patch to every tier set
late swallow
bring back boot/wrist/belt tier pieces
hybrid crown
Outlaws off piece has like 1600 mastery or some shit
ebon nimbus
in opener, as bf breaks stealth i assume i press bf then go into stealth AR RTB GS BTE?
hybrid crown
Ewwww
hybrid crown
Hmmmmm
late swallow
ok but the 5set makes it so you dont lose control during KS
they should just add this as a shop feature
would rake it in
hybrid crown
Lol
late swallow
9.99 USD for no teleport KS
sour vault
pretty optimistic estimate even
hybrid crown
Oh yeah no one plays outlaw lmao
sour vault
like that would require at least 1000 people to buy it, all of which have to be outlaw players to care enough?
ebon nimbus
!log
long barn
Anyone tell me if KS should not be used on cooldown for KIR 1FTH?
covert kestrel
why wouldnt it
long barn
Maybe max RtB and maybe ADR and vanish and bloodlust?
late swallow
if you're playing trickster, KS is basically your highest prio finisher
(outside of subterfuge)
you want to delay your vanish windows if KS is ~20 secs left on CD
unless you're about to lose ADR or something
dim widget
can we still vanish cancel kujo jump? if so, what is the correct timing
fallen knot
should be able to
i think it's the same as it was, when he jumps to you
but
people say it's harder
dim widget
i know he need to jump onto me and i know he always targets furthest target first (which i manipulate with hook), but do i vanish before cast finishes or when is mid air or at another time?
fallen knot
i think mid air
dim widget
any knowers in the chat?
dim widget
ye thats what i just tried but failed 3/3 tries
fallen knot
so
how do i run an addon profiler and a wa profiler
i got dc 2 times and i'm pretty sure it was not because of connection
also why has elvui become the enemy of all computers all of a sudden?
latent oak
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
red zinc
yo you can just craft 2 identical rings right
not a different one you need to make or some shit
red zinc
it dont
vapid sundial
then ur good
coral bobcat
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
viral flume
I litearlly press this mother fuckign ability in a safe spot then fucking god damn die
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
AHHHH
remote pecan
just got round to checking my vault, it sucked i'm
hidden bay
just got round to checking my vault, it sucked i'm
Goated item, makes your bis item even bissier no copium
vivid vessel
You know what I was thinking about, how come the casters in rookery can't even be kicked with a 2 person rotation
How is that not terrible design
If I put 2 kicks on a mob
Surely I shouldn't need to also cc it cause I don't have enough kick
When you can have 3/4 of these mobs per pack
latent oak
that elvui and weakauras are causing most of ur lag
idk how to fuck with elvui but u can profile weakauras specifically with /wa pstart, /wa pstop, and /wa ppring
/wa pprint**
velvet gorge
hey sorry if this is asked often, but how significant is shadowmeld for outlaw?
is it actually a big dps increase due to crackshot or not really
gaunt phoenix
it doesnt work on crackshot out of the box. you have to shadowmeld into hard casting stealth
and this only works on trash packs
& it's kind of buggy and doesnt seem to work half the time
velvet gorge
i see
gaunt phoenix
But melding into stealth on trash is technically pretty good as far as racial bonuses go
hidden bay
Surely I shouldn't need to also cc it cause I don't have enough kick
Kidney long cc good utility tho
gaunt phoenix
but most ppl are dwarf/tauren
hidden bay
Its about time st utility mattered again
gaunt phoenix
For the crit damage and stoneform
fallen knot
that elvui and weakauras are causing most of ur lag
ok i'm gonna delete elvui gg
i profiled wa aswell
some weird triggers were over 10ms
the most useless wa like
vivid vessel
Kidney long cc good utility tho
Sure but like
velvet gorge
For the crit damage and stoneform
thanks for the info 🙂
velvet gorge
it's correct to assume then that it really isn't that significant overall?
late swallow
cheapshot should fire off a dispatch from stealth
velvet gorge
i mean meld is meld, but i'd like to stay another race with peace of mind if i can
late swallow
hidden bay
cheapshot should fire off a dispatch from stealth
Ive unbounded cheap shot
latent oak
if u have to stun in subt window cheap is better than kidney no?
vivid vessel
if u have to stun in subt window cheap is better than kidney no?
but its shorter
hidden bay
Its gg
vivid vessel
idk honestly
remote pecan
Wouldn't make it less interesting
it's not possible to make ccs/stops in pve less interesting
late swallow
i mean having cheap bound in stealth is still good
latent oak
more damage :)
vivid vessel
it's not possible to make ccs/stops in pve less interesting
I just don't really enjoy how it is rn in an non voice environment
latent oak
u need cheap bound for top pvp boss
gaunt phoenix
Dwarf/tauren is like 1-1.5% ahead of other races which is kind of significant if you ask me
vivid vessel
Where you are constantly fighting
With 10 casters
That never stops
It's so weird
hidden bay
Its better this season a bit
vivid vessel
hell no its not
latent oak
Dwarf/tauren is like 1-1.5% ahead of other races which is kind of significant if...
unfortunately
vivid vessel
this season is litteraly worse than s1
hidden bay
But we could for sure have less stops
vivid vessel
when they said the opposite
hidden bay
And that would make game better
deft terrace
make stops great again
hidden bay
Cinder is cancer fr
fallen knot
ok i'm gonna start by removing group frames
fallen knot
cause i cba
hidden bay
I cba
fallen knot
no i cba
hidden bay
I probably started cbaing before you started playing wow
latent oak
oh shit a cba off
hidden bay
I cba argue abt it i gotta cry cuz i got the fake facking chest literally like 6th time
fallen knot
what the fuck
fallen knot
i legit have to re-do my ui
hidden bay
Kms
fallen knot
no kms
hidden bay
Took whistle
vivid vessel
how many kmS tho
latent oak
my cbaing is so strong right now surpasses the density of neutron stars
u dont have neutron degeneracy pressure holding u back
hidden bay
Banned from usable vault
No trashmaster either despite being absolute dogshit at the game
??
fallen knot
no exactly i'm about to collapse into a black hole
what the fuck is shadowed unitframes
what
the
fuck
is
this
jolly geyser
hidden bay
One of those shits that you replace elvui with iguess?
Fun when you drop elvui but replace with 10 addons and actually lose fps
fallen knot
i need to smoke
then i'll think about what to do
fucking elvui been using it since pandaria
fml
random stirrup
i used zac's suf to swap off elv recently
mighty pivot
zac has a suf profile if you are lazy
random stirrup
but now i have an ugly bar in the corner of my screen i cant hide
hidden bay
What is suf
hidden bay
Oh
vivid vessel
yes
vivid vessel
remove them