I don't get updates
#outlaw
vivid vessel
To my game
I'm confused
I'm buying a new game every expac
Ok sure understandable
And then
I pay a monthly fee
For nothing
Hm
Weird
jolly geyser
you just do m+ thou
vivid vessel
Killing spree has been on the radar for 10 years now
Radar my asshole
Can they hire devs
proven ocean
can u replicate this? looks like an m+ interrupt anchors assignment
that shows on nameplates
sup
sullen walrus
maybe do u have macro for vanish + tempered? xD
proven ocean
whats that
vivid vessel
can u replicate this? looks like an m+ interrupt anchors assignment
I think you could use the raid weak aura technically but I'm not sure isk
proven ocean
well
if u can do it
i think
it'll be super great
we can just add spell id's
like in that note
vivid vessel
i have been thinking about something like that for a long time now
we get all these raid weak auras
and m+
is lacking behind
so much
idk why
vivid vessel
ye make sense
vivid vessel
no i mean
these type of stuffs
exist for raid
forever
why is there no equivalent in m+
there is no assign stuff and shit
vivid vessel
bruhdah
proven ocean
ye but
vivid vessel
made by different people
vivid vessel
why is there no equivalent for m+ is my quiestion
proven ocean
i dont think many good WA makers can do this
vivid vessel
the big ones are all from liquid/echo
i dont think thats even true
the biggest weak auras raid packs are from reloe usually i think
cause liquid and echo comes latter
storm drum
eu is just stingy? is that what we are hinting at?
sullen walrus
zac, what u think about kir + trickster for raid?
jolly geyser
northern sky does it also
proven ocean
but from what i can see
vivid vessel
who is abie
vivid vessel
zac, what u think about kir + trickster for raid?
its fine
proven ocean
shes the warlock guy
vivid vessel
no idea
proven ocean
that we played with abit
vivid vessel
never heard no
proven ocean
anyways
vivid vessel
northern sky does it also
thats reloe
vivid vessel
i see
vivid vessel
its not hard neccesserally
cause
the m+ auto assign weak aura already does the assigning x mob with a sign
and then there is the raid weak aura that calls kick on signs
but ye
proven ocean
well
once u do it we need to keep it private too
so
cuz we're also the only team that pushes without voice
vivid vessel
I say i will do it but
i probably wont
bue ye
i need to find time
but im employed
vivid vessel
huge !
hidden bay
yooo
reef salmon
maybe do u have macro for vanish + tempered? xD
I guess you could do something like this, dunno why you want it to be used with vanish but 
#showtooltip Vanish
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Vanish
hidden bay
11.2 ptr maybe by the end of this month? 
maybe we see glimpses of outlaw getting unfucked soon?
reef salmon
reef salmon
I don’t think outlaw will see a rework till next tier
If they even will get a rework
reef salmon
Ah thought 11.2 was the next random patch they decided to throw at us
Just woke up sorry for my fried brain
runic bough
Your guys lucky day I am not going to pursue higher keys. I'm tired of spending all day in que just for them to wipe or troll. Especially if trolololspree depletes timer.
I'm going to reroll again
Take care outlaws
hidden bay
nice decision
lime lake
Your guys lucky day I am not going to pursue higher keys. I'm tired of spending all day in que just for them to wipe or troll. Especially if trolololspree depletes timer.
I'm going to reroll again
Take care outlaws
-Ryukage
late swallow
white marten
Cant they just remove KS synergy from trickster and replace it with Blade Rush instead? Ez win
runic bough
Some keys don't have updated respawn points from trololspree deaths so its a deplete if it kills you.
Too much time lost from deaths
cinder relic
What keys are u doing ryu
pale topaz
@vivid vessel bruda what´s this weapon swap tech u do in M+? Swapping a bit from assa & my outlaw is turbotrash i need help
cinder relic
There's a weapon from the hollowfall Rep that does damage when u enter combat so on trash u use it and then swap to a real weapon on bosses
Pins have details
vivid vessel
yes
vivid vessel
nah
its worth like
2/3 %
i think
considering its less stats also
so its not a straight 2% increase
reef salmon
can we agree in TOP duel boss we cant use stuns??
You just make sure your stix trinket is at max stacks and you 1 tap that mofo xd
runic bough
What keys are u doing ryu
Like for example in dfc the first boss doesn't become a respawn point. The same for Priory first boss. It's annoying to die in those and trolololspree is a factor outside of caster deaths.
hidden bay
can we agree in TOP duel boss we cant use stuns??
honestly usually one vanish kills pretty much anyone
unless you giga low roll
hot olive
yea but iv been almost killing someone and they stun
hot olive
raged
hot olive
stun before then
villan era
novel socket
does numbing poison affect raid bosses ?
nocturne folio
yes
craggy barn
can we agree in TOP duel boss we cant use stuns??
also if ur using stix magnet trinket save stacks to obliterate ur opponent for down phase
craggy barn
completely giga bm ur opponent to get out of the phase as fast as possible
frail veldt
can we agree in TOP duel boss we cant use stuns??
I stun to assert dominance
craggy barn
full kidney into magnet
hot olive
also if ur using stix magnet trinket save stacks to obliterate ur opponent for d...
my guild is bad and iv been unlucky
runic bough
hot olive
full kidney into magnet
baiscly saying u got no chance
frail veldt
Doesn't the cudgel beat myth off hand at 4+ targets
gaunt phoenix
Yes
frail veldt
So anything over that and it's worth it to use
red zinc
some unnecessary shit i guess but its probably better on 3 as well, not sure what the sim durations were again on the 2t/3t/4t stuff
but the shorter a pull the better the mace is (since you get a free initial proc not based off vanish)
hoary wave
so no KS changes for .7?
covert kestrel
I'm going to reroll again
where are you going our king, who shall chef now
frank finch
covert kestrel
theyre going to nuke outlaw to be the melee empowered spell spec, were gonna be 20 apm
cinder relic
The ion talk at that event was so good
gaunt phoenix
so no KS changes for .7?
nop
jovial turret
Hi Guys, it might been asked here already, but I couldn't find any info about it. Why people use "Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel" as off hand even if it's lower in ilvl than crafted for example? Do they swap weapons or used always?
gaunt phoenix
Hi Guys, it might been asked here already, but I couldn't find any info about it...
the proc on the weapon resets when you use vanish, but this only works on trash
this makes it very good on trash
but you swap weapons for bosses
violet ferry
Hi Guys, it might been asked here already, but I couldn't find any info about it...
The proc effect happens any time that you initiate combat with a target - and Outlaw re-initiates combat on enemies through use of Vanish. Therefore, the damage from the proc will happen very frequently for Outlaw rogues
runic bough
should there be something tho?
It seems that we only pay for use of the game. It could be they have yet to make a micro-transfaction for unbugged gameplay. Maybe it's coming.
jovial turret
Thanks for the info guys, now I understand why it's used in Mythic+ 🙂
leaden sentinel
am i tripping or Geargrinder's bikes dont hit Gally at all? not just start (i presumed it goes down the hole in the middle) but it dont seem to actually hit in later phases either... huhhh
runic bough
And if adds are up, ks will not flurry them
You have to target an add to flurry them
leaden sentinel
runic bough
Has anyone tried fate after the bug fix?
I mean it's gotta do at least 8-10mil without trololspree
I think I'll try it
10mil fate would let me stay that for keys
Lets see
Better single target too
Would possibly tradeoff
Less aoe fate but more single target VS more aoe and having to trolololspree trickster
Hmmm
Hell even if fate tops at 8mil its still a win not having to ks.
New test incoming tonight. Reroll suspended.
white marten
You bois ready to collect the new Outlaw class mount in 11.1.7?
bright crane
It’s a super sick mount
I like it when they add mount versions of in game bosses or models
Nice flavor
runic bough
If they have option with no pirate hat sure dragon looks cool
white marten
Pirate hat is essential to outlaw theme
runic bough
Not for me
white marten
Spoken like a true sub main
late swallow
Lmao
quiet root
i think what timmy is getting at is that the routes you're doing have too many small pulls
red zinc
a proper top route has a single 3 mob pull, the rest all 4+
storm drum
has anyone tested or simmed the cudgel with 5/8/or more targets?
craggy barn
im back in america
TIME TO HAVE A BORGER
wash the flavors of europe out of my mouth
🦅
storm drum
wash the flavors of europe out of my mouth
what flavors they went on a conquest for spices and still have bland food
storm drum
france has butter
craggy barn
they both do wine
craggy barn
what
craggy barn
ok
runic bough
You play kir tricks
craggy barn
what time
craggy barn
ill give u a maybe
runic bough
Ok dustx is in
craggy barn
i gotta scrap the weeks worth of rust off
runic bough
Tomorrow night
storm drum
i timed a 15 top today i was havin second thoughts thinking maybe i have to play warrior to get invited to groups lol
runic bough
I wish I was good at another spec
quiet root
I wish I was good at outlaw 🙂
craggy barn
the 10 days away fucked my io prog up
runic bough
I want to play sub its stacking vers like outlaw should be just as tanky
craggy barn
now i gotta play with all the shitters
storm drum
sub isnt just as tanky as outlaw no way well i guess 30% vers with feint is the same idk
runic bough
I'll test fate aoe after bf bug fix
If it can't even get 8mil peak then yeah we have to reroll to get away from ks
storm drum
yeah idk i played fatebound this week on couldron of carnage
said fuck it and went back assa lol
runic bough
Yeah lucky coin never proc so its also bugged to hell
storm drum
played trickster missplaced the lazer beam then died to lazer beam was sadge lol said welp assa it is in raid
storm drum
thats why i gotta learn sub eventually just so i can swap to whatver spec is best in the given scenario
lol
i was doing 10 keys with a group for vault...
i died becasue killing spree twice in keys and they are like be careful i just dont say anything at this point
storm drum
as im doing 5 mil overal in a 10 key lmaoyeah ill be careful as we 2 chest lmao
bright crane
^
craggy barn
if u play netter, ez 3 chest
runic bough
YOU GUYS SAY PLAY BETTER WHEN WE HAVE TO NOT USE AN ABILITY ON A HIGH APM SPEC LIKE EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT TO DO THIS WTF
storm drum
yeah i get it its just a like a mental block thing if you know if you die to ks your gonna send it in iffy situations if its a higher key your gonna play safe
craggy barn
YOU GUYS SAY PLAY BETTER WHEN WE HAVE TO NOT USE AN ABILITY ON A HIGH APM SPEC L...
its called knowing when to press something
storm drum
lol
runic bough
We are high apm
storm drum
think if it this way
craggy barn
everyone holds shit. it doesnt fuck u hard if u know good times to press
ks is negative apm
storm drum
if i count to three and wait for mechanic to be over then KS
i probably wont loss buffs or AR
if i die to sending im losing evertyhting
craggy barn
high apm doesnt mean play liek an idiot
runic bough
High apm spec has to hold an ability, makes sense to you I guess. Not me.
storm drum
Ryucookage thats why ive only been back to the game for 1 month and have surpassed you in keys tho
and all i do is pug and play my rat alts with friends
craggy barn
knowing when u can and cant press something is part of skill
bright crane
Fella got his own show on the food network
craggy barn
bc im in america
bright crane
Cause he’s cooking again
storm drum
I was enamoured when they had killing spree in mop raiding you topped charts every opener
craggy barn
yea no ks is annoying af to hold, but im not gonna baby rage about it and just play around the nonsense like we always have to with other annoying shit
storm drum
thats why i enjoy it now im old it also gives me a break to look at my surroundings and reposition
hybrid crown
We still top charts in the first .3 seconds of every fight
storm drum
We still top charts in the first .3 seconds of every fight
yeah gotta hit the mobs first lmao
hybrid crown
Then the dev evoker does wayyy more like a second later
storm drum
that cudgel opener lmao
runic bough
Not even we can't press adr until the boss take dmg in raid
Utter bs
I am excited to test kir fate tonight with cudgel
Praying it tops atleast 8mil peak aoe
turbid verge
quick question: is it worth binding ghostly strike to some buttons just to safe 1 button and having it always on cooldown?
bright crane
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
nocturne folio
quick question: is it worth binding ghostly strike to some buttons just to safe ...
its fine
storm drum
ghostly strike is what 12 seconds of increased dmg
set it and forget
mostlyh in the builds for boss dmg
runic bough
If fate does good aoe after the bug fix im staying there for rest of season then going sub next season.
storm drum
15% increased dmg for 12 seconds every 45 seconds so 33 seconds without 15% increased dmg its meh
gaunt phoenix
not really
runic bough
Shhh
gaunt phoenix
significant
late swallow
Isn’t FB st like super marginal
runic bough
Lets me enjoy my thoughts okay guys
gaunt phoenix
could be a percent or two
storm drum
killing spree is fun as hell
storm drum
dodging swirlies or walking out of swirlies for a boss mech and still hitting them with KS then landing and being safe is goated
runic bough
I think relying on not dying from an ability is the biggest troll ability ever in existence.
And they pick and choose where ks is on mobs
So it can be controlled
Behind gally is proof they can set the position of ks.
In front of third boss workshop.
It can be controlled they just make it random teleporting.
Intended
keen belfry
green name ryu when
runic bough
Awang the goat
keen belfry
green name awang
runic bough
Awang how's the mage
Lots of ppl happy on mage this season
I'm so miserable on outlaw but it's my best spec
quiet root
surely if you can play outlaw you can learn easier specs
quiet root
idk? i hear ret is fun to play
runic bough
Well part of the happiness is not having to ks.
quiet root
that's what all the paladin gamers tell me
hot olive
brother ewwwww
cinder relic
ret is fun
gaunt phoenix
no !
storm drum
no mroe ret paldins
runic bough
I have a semi leveled pally
storm drum
there are only like 5 good ret players in the world
ryu have you ever tried feral druid?
runic bough
It was on my list I have a max druid
storm drum
but also the closest thing to outlaw is enhance
i mean if you havent like geared every thing to around 650 ilvl and fucked around you should
jolly geyser
wake of ashes one of the most fun abilities to press
storm drum
rets mages and hunters all have the same stigma
there are so many of them and so over populated you rarely find a good one in the wild
runic bough
Yeah every key has 10 hunters in the join list
storm drum
and how many of those hunters beat you in dmg?
runic bough
Its rare
storm drum
how many of those hunters kick and stun and dont just fall over at some point?
runic bough
Rare
glass mortar
Behind gally is proof they can set the position of ks.
it isnt btw
storm drum
now ive played with rets who never blinding light once the entire dungeon and only hojed once and some of them never even touched rebuke lol
glass mortar
kspree always teleports to a fixed point on a boss when the boss has a massive hitbox
the point is pretty random
either it teleports u around or it teleports u in place
just depends on the type of hitbox they gave it
for tectus it was right in his facehole
turbid verge
idk im also lookin for a blaster meele specc for season 3 but dk just isnt my cup of tea and i played rogue too much lately
glass mortar
i forget where it was on the lava worm from df
i dont think i ever kspreed that one so
it was probably just randomly in his front
tbh its usually in the bosses front its nice this one is on his back
storm drum
idk im also lookin for a blaster meele specc for season 3 but dk just isnt my cu...
in the same boat...i got everything at 650-660 ilvl i enjoy feral but i like rogue better...me im have to play some arms war i think dk sucks bawls i dont see how ppl just pash pandemic and think thats fun gameplay
ore epidemic
quiet root
idk how random it is when rookery and mechagon bosses have their ks spots right in front of them
glass mortar
current unholy dk is not what it normally played right
glass mortar
idk how random it is when rookery and mechagon bosses have their ks spots right ...
yea my guess would be theres some default code here which is why its usually dead center in front
gally is on his butt tho so its a little weird
quiet root
yeah i think gally's the odd one out here
glass mortar
if i had to bet it teleports u in a fixed position at the shadowstep destination of a boss if it has a massive hitbox
think shadowstep takes u to the same spots?
never tried it on rookery tho
quiet root
yeah seems like it could be a thing, i don't play the other rogue specs though
craggy barn
current unholy dk is not what it normally played right
what do u mean
glass mortar
It's nonsense
Ur burst is 90% u mashing scourge strike over and over and spending rp
U dont play wounds or disease or anything during the window
That's what I'd heard anyway
Because vampire strike is very silly
lime lake
yes
your burst is press vampiric strike
until you can no longer press vampiric strike
glass mortar
Yea thats not what unholy normally plays like xd not a very fun design imo
Reminds me of survival the season it was broken in df
Worst season of survival design whole expac btw
Very sad
Tier set turned into 90% a degen kc spam bomb spam spec
pearl trout
Reminds me of survival the season it was broken in df
wasn't in shadowlands S4?
glass mortar
S3
Or s2? Idr
S4 was a fake season so broken stuff from s3 was still pretty broke
They didn't tune seriously for fated
flint sandal
Kind of a strange question but how do you normally confirm when youre done casting one ability to start pressing the next? I’m used to playing casters and there I can just time the next button based on the cast bar but the gcd seems much less reliable for instant casts. Like if you’re spamming sinister strike and know your gonna use a spender after it goes off do you just wait to see the attack happen or predict it somehow?
glass mortar
You feel the gcd rhythm based off when you attack yea. Having a cursor wa that indicates the gcd can help also
I usually do it off sound
deep falcon
hi just a quick weakaura question, i've been trying to mess with it but cant figure it out. in luxthos rogue i was wondering if i can make it so my combo points are white/green instead of red when i have 5 cp while in subterfuge window?
gaunt phoenix
The spell queue window lets you buffer a spell before the gcd is actually over
latent oak
Kind of a strange question but how do you normally confirm when youre done casti...
if u want u can recreate a cast bar esque weak aura that just shows gcd
and just put it where ur cast bar normally is
glass mortar
Yea I think they were asking how we figure out when to swap which spell Ur spamming. Thinking about it, I use sound and my resource bar
Since whatever ur pressing is probably going to change it
But it really is something you feel out
glass mortar
There's no one indicator I use
flint sandal
if u want u can recreate a cast bar esque weak aura that just shows gcd
I tried it actually but it seems a little glitchy because of the way the spell queue window interacts or something. It looks just like a cast bar if you set the window too low (~100ms) but then I would be creating gaps anyway
Sound seems most reliable for me too
latent oak
during crackshot the bte sound is very helpful ya
if u try and get it like a metronome
keen belfry
Awang how's the mage
i play mage in raid thats it
hardy thicket
Just mash buttons fast. Thats how I play every melee spec
Joking aside I never thought about what ques I use. Cant even think of one rn
glass mortar
I think the person isn't asking whether or not to mash, it's what indicator are u using to stop mashing ss and start mashing bte
Etc
Which I've never really thought about directly
reef forge
any idea why i wouldn't get the nightfall cudgel currency after completing the event?
lime lake
you get it from completing the quest
latent oak
isnt it reacting to ur combo points reaching the amount for a finisher
hardy thicket
Yeah I think I mainly go off CP
reef forge
you get it from completing the quest
did all quests, nothing in bag that i can open like a chest or anything either
lime lake
L i guess
flint sandal
Yea I didnt think about it either at first but then I realized I was waiting for combo points/sounds whereas I can predict on casters 75% of the time
reef forge
guess try again on wednesday
glass mortar
U can predict on outlaw too
reef forge
its not a once per account thing is it?
glass mortar
The thing is every next gcd is always between 2-3 button presses
Based off the proc on the button u just pressed
hardy thicket
But you can kinda tell when you are closing in on finisher so its prolly muscle memory too ye
glass mortar
The trick is to always know what the options could be
There is almost zero scripting in law
red zinc
aint reading all that
glass mortar
For once I actually agree with Ryu holy
This expac fucked my spell queue window hard
But the issue is not for all players so who knows what's causing it
hardy thicket
My spellq is fine fake news
lime lake
real
true cedar
latent oak
make sure to post results in damage meter thread
and tag zac in every post with exact build and items
alpine valve
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into
BtE.
latent oak
its the amount of time the game lets u buffer the next gcd
so if its set to 300ms u can press ur next global within 300ms before its actually over
400 i think?
i think not
theoretically if ur used to 400 u should keep it at 400
i do have mine quite a bit lower but i think thats a me issue and if i was better i would have less gaps with 400
theoretically it is true
but ya it does 'feel' worse at higher values
the only times u will notice a difference is when u would have missed the gcd anyways
but ya it does 'feel' worse at higher values for me at least
weran has spoken about it before
latent oak
ya
cinder relic
Theres no magic forumla
I never change my spell queue
But some ppl insist on changing it
latent oak
there is alot of bro science going around with spell queue window
fathom bramble
This isn’t true ever since they made it so you can change the queued spell. If you queue the wrong spell you’ll just end up changing it to the right one assuming proper play
craggy barn
double speed it
latent oak
oh xd
fathom bramble
The only thing you need to know is that as high of a setting that is still fun for you to play is likely ideal
fathom bramble
Nice
craggy barn
noce zac
craggy barn
zac, i ate american food i lost oitlaw god poweds
fathom bramble
A brief explanation is that it lets you queue actions before they are available, and you can change your queued action at any time
Which lets you avoid deadzones in the rotation
latent oak
thats not what it does
fathom bramble
Spellqueue doesn’t delay spells
fathom bramble
if you are observing some kind of reduced GCP gap after changing it then your probably just getting better at the game
queueing can sometimes feel less responsive since your queueing up an action to take place in 250-400 MS
but it's not actually changing when the spell can go off
latent oak
there is no delay
craggy barn
ur not addding delay
latent oak
it is a queued input to negate the delay
craggy barn
if u arent button mashing then it can feel like a delay
latent oak
the higher u have ur sqw the less likely gcd gaps are
fathom bramble
you don't need to mash once it is queued
realistically if your enjoying the egame at default settings and don't see anything weird going on then you should leave it at the default of 400
latent oak
ya
fathom bramble
spellqueue use to lock it in a very long time ago and that made it a good idea to change, but now you can just press a new key to change what is queued so it just doesn't matter
latent oak
do u know if thats a cvar option lok
fathom bramble
do u know if thats a cvar option lok
not sure
latent oak
bc sometimes it does feel like it does that occasionally
fathom bramble
I thought it was a gamewide default, but I never looked into changing it
latent oak
but its probably me just misinputting
fathom bramble
if your trying to change a queued spell too close to it going off then it's probably not going to change
especially at higher pings
next wedge
i gotta stop mashing
latent oak
mashing is good
fathom bramble
just whatever you do(if the original asker is still here) NEVER lower it below 200
craggy barn
in df i played with 0 spell queue
latent oak
u shouldnt stop
next wedge
my wrists cant handle it anymore im old
fathom bramble
or worse something insane like 50
latent oak
oh
craggy barn
i used to do that lok
next wedge
(just turned 23)
craggy barn
lol
latent oak
that is a reasonable reason xd
fathom bramble
i used to do that lok
so many lost gcds
fathom bramble
my wrists cant handle it anymore im old
yeah that's another thing
craggy barn
i had giga low pong tho
latent oak
ryu an interesting thing to look at is going into ur logs and manually counting the gaps in ur gcds in ur crackshot windows
fathom bramble
in order to really play effectively at the really low spellqueue amounts you have to mash insanely
and that's not good old or young
craggy barn
or be good at rhythm games
latent oak
where u hold the key and it spam inputs
next wedge
im gonna be a 1 button andy when it comes out
fathom bramble
have u fucked around with the imfiredup ahk script
haven't even heard of it
if it's doing any kind of inputs for you it's probably illegal
latent oak
i think kripp came up with it when he was playing xd
next wedge
i hate running out of energy bc you only run out when u fk'd up
feels bad i played bad
craggy barn
imagine of it felt good to play bad
latent oak
shoudlnt be any hesistation in crackshot windows for ks
next wedge
my guild would be feeling on top of the world
latent oak
since ur not pressing ks in subt
lime lake
a true free thinker
next wedge
i've been conditioned to press AR on cd but i've been getting it up with like 8 seconds left and i've been wasting a lot of free AR bc of it
i wish u could stack that shit
fathom bramble
would be nice if AR could at least pandemic
even better if it just went to like 40 seconds
next wedge
it can like 1 second
fathom bramble
it can like 1 second
it's not pandemic though it's some weird shit caused by the periodic effect(probably) on AR
pandemic would be specifically 30% of the normal duration
next wedge
that would be so nice if it could do that
fathom bramble
it can also randomly just add 20 seconds instead
and it seemingly can't be replicated reliably
craggy barn
ryu is just stating his haste value with takem by surprise up
next wedge
KS on lust op
fathom bramble
39% is pretty reasonable
with take' em and alac up
might be slightly high, but within reason
next wedge
39 unbuffed would be funny af
thats what i thought he meant
craggy barn
nah
fathom bramble
gear on my alt puts me at 40% buffed
craggy barn
hes outlaw so its fine
next wedge
ohhhh yeah
craggy barn
but his name is still wrong
next wedge
sub has too many buttons and my brain is too small
starting playing without GS in keys lately
feels incredible
i macro'd that shit bc pressing it was a chore
but id like
craggy barn
lol
frail veldt
That's really bad
craggy barn
i never macro that shit
next wedge
cast KS with the macro and then i wouldnt have energy
frail veldt
KS costs more energy than anything else
If you can KS you can bte
You felt wrong lol
next wedge
yeah casting low CP KS feels weird bc usually in the animation i get my energy back but if it's too short then im just short on energy
he did it, he came up with the only original take
ks bad
teal wing
go 40% haste kir fate
next wedge
man why all the rogue hero talents so boring
i only like the ones that give more grapples and the one that makes perma tricks
perma tricks is so op
tender breach
11.1.7 has new m+ season?
next wedge
no
teal wing
i like the talent that gives 5 cp for all finishers but i think they removed it
teal wing
i mean the xploit
next wedge
they should make a rogue healer class
make it the medic from tf2
slice and dice!!!!!
im happy we dont have to cast snd anymore
teal wing
i have tripple premate 3.5k in queue they die 20 times in 7 minutes in brew 16 then i go discord and read about chef ryus new cookings and i just cant take it anymore i will only boost and deathroll for the rest of the season
sullen walrus
what does it mean stack of coup?
teal wing
who wanna full outlaw some 16s
lets go
gaunt phoenix
what does it mean stack of coup?
every 4 unseen blade procs turns your next dispatch into coup
the buff is called escalating blades, at 4 stacks, coup is ready
teal wing
how old are you
next wedge
23
next wedge
probably
teal wing
no heavent really been playing last couple weeks
latent oak
ya same
latent oak
D:
weary fog
I attempted a triple Rogue double outlaw cinderbrew today
Better then expected but died to a failed ring of peace skip
craggy barn
ye
teal wing
yes
craggy barn
i timed a massive server takedown for when i left eu
next wedge
Better then expected but died to a failed ring of peace skip
why rop when have 3x shroud of concealment
toxic dust
I saw wox swapping weapon during a M+ how is that possible? Its a macro?
next wedge
yup
glass mortar
u culd always swap weapons in keys
but yes theres a macro in the pins to make it easier
next wedge
#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles
toxic dust
Wtf
glass mortar
only rare/special weapons cant be swapped sometimes, 99% of weapons u can swap in combat even
toxic dust
Thats insane
next wedge
cudgel for packs, capo for ST
vivid vessel
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
weary fog
why rop when have 3x shroud of concealment
To skip the double hob pat
glass mortar
u swap it anytime ud swap off ur cudgel with a high ilvl weapon
red zinc
what often times
glass mortar
on 1-2 target trash u can swap it also
red zinc
shit barely ever happens
red zinc
if it does its mid pull and negligible
glass mortar
then yea swap
red zinc
weapon swapping costs more than its worth
glass mortar
mid pull costs u a gcd so
next wedge
mid pull costs u a gcd so
do it during ks
weary fog
Swap in killing spree
red zinc
miniboss in top
glass mortar
doesnt always line up but u can do that yea
wide void
did the entirety of EU servers just blow up
Yep!
weary fog
40% haste killing spree can’t weap swap in time!!!
next wedge
ok sorry
glass mortar
i believe on both 1 and 2 targets not cudgel is superior unless zac lied to me
next wedge
dont swap in ks if you have 40% haste
glass mortar
@gaunt phoenix might have an exact number but its a bit annoying to sim
craggy barn
4 targets for cudgel
toxic dust
Worth to use nighfall mace for aoe and swap to mute knife for bosses
toxic dust
If its possible
glass mortar
i mean theres some rather long important ST mobs this season
1/3rd of ToP wing
the floppy asshole in floodgate
id swap for those
but ye i dont do it mid pull
red zinc
i mean you dont play any of those solo
next wedge
@vivid vessel do ur WA have a ace proc sound trigger that i can change
latent oak
water walking + shroud skip goes hard
next wedge
i love skipping bubbles
red zinc
if eu servers are back up ill do the sims again
glass mortar
why does the fish have a stripper name
red zinc
just to settle it
weary fog
Someone always falls in the water when I attempt that in pugs
next wedge
he blow bubbles
glass mortar
ah i see
next wedge
fish
toxic dust
Tyvm that tip will probably explain why i suck on st 🤣
toxic dust
I will make a Wa who just yell to me to swap 🤣
teal wing
/y I HAVE 40% HASTE CASH ME OUTSIDE
teal wing
there is weakaura
dim fern
ks lowkey the scariest skill i have used in wow
teal wing
i have a tank that does this its super annoying
next wedge
yeah i think people would get annoyed with me if i had ks /y macro lol
glass mortar
i dont expect u to listen to me but its very obnoxious to yell shouts to an ability u press often
its not like u are pressing ks 1 time every 12s
toxic dust
🤣🤣🤣🤣
glass mortar
u are probably mashing the buttong 3-4 times during the gcd before it goes off
the text part of the macro does not care about the gcd
it will just print out everytime u hit it
teal wing
yes thats why the weakaura
next wedge
i think the one where they ks and then after they're like "I am ticking for 14.5% of my hp" is cool
teal wing
only activate on spellcast
glass mortar
yea a wa would be a better way to do it
toxic dust
O cba, just pressing ks randomly 🤣
weary fog
What no
next wedge
no i press crimson vial and it's all ok 🙂
teal wing
8x5
next wedge
it just pops cheat death
weary fog
5% tick isn’t even like half ur health
toxic dust
glass mortar
5% tick isn’t even like half ur health
it ticks 16 times
pretty sure 5% hp is like 80% of ur hp bar total
if ur in 8-10% range ur dead without healing
its every 0.5s it ticks
not every second
next wedge
just press cloak 4head
glass mortar
ye u will die to boss pissing at u if u dont receive big external healing with a 5% dot but its not dead dead
next wedge
i cloak more due to my bad KS than anything else this season
next wedge
i only cloak my KS debuff
dense bolt
next wedge
kissing boys
teal wing
everyone is bullying ryu for stacking haste beyond reason
glass mortar
i mean why bully
ur allowed to butcher ur dps for whatever reason u want to
just dont recommend it to other people
next wedge
how does ret get up to 25m dps in large pulls when they are also target capped
i have only gotten 15m dps literally one time
glass mortar
softcapped and scale with targets to a much higher degree then we do
gaunt phoenix
cause cooldowns
next wedge
😦
daring oxide
glass mortar
they rnt really a cd spec anymore either but wings procs are still a much larger spike then crackshot windows
next wedge
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
next wedge
god i feel so oppressed by blizz
is rogue still least played class in the game
evoker still has dev and pres
gaunt tulip
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
next wedge
rogue feels complicated compared to a lot of other classes
glass mortar
sin is always carrying rogue
but most players just think rogue is a mess
they think the 3 specs r 3 flavors of mess
and outlaw is just the messiest
next wedge
i think we're also rarely op
glass mortar
not really sure why tbh i feel like sin and sub are fairly approachable for most players but maybe its just that 1 sec gcd classes feel jank, they r just super rare now
and like, no 1s gcd spec is high playrate right?
we have WW, feral and the 3 rogue specs
vivid vessel
@glass mortar https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/UgliestToughShingleNononoCat-VmnHeSB-k9sj259N thoughts
next wedge
i think also only DPS specs can hurt a little too
glass mortar
LMAOOOOO
next wedge
but look at hunter so maybe not
glass mortar
well pure dps are most often viable
unique echo
<@185854083964469249> https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/UgliestToughShingleNon...
😄 i love killing spree
kekw
glass mortar
i think its mostly flavor honestly
feral and WW are very distincy flavors that r hit or miss for people
next wedge
<@185854083964469249> https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/UgliestToughShingleNon...
i've done this
glass mortar
rogue is very very low fantasy
lowkey visuals, good sound effects but not much flash
sharp hinge
<@185854083964469249> https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/UgliestToughShingleNon...
i deff wouldve held until after the orb targetted someone
next wedge
i think GW2 executes the fantasy a little better with thief
vivid vessel
i deff wouldve held until after the orb targetted someone
bad mentality
glass mortar
honestly i feel like in most mmos ive played over my life the community "perception" was the whatever rogue archtype class was overplayed because everyone wanted to be an edgy assassin
im not sure how blizzard managed to avoid that
glass mortar
maybe theyve just added enough other edgy classes to the game that all those players found flashier edgelords to play
unique echo
RiGhT 0.o ?
glass mortar
death knight, demon hunter
deft terrace
rogue died having combo points on the target for 10 years
lime lake
somehow the two biggest mmos in the world both managed to make rogue suck
kind of wild
next wedge
somehow the two biggest mmos in the world both managed to make rogue suck
you dont like ffxiv ninja
?
lime lake
its ok
but its also one of the least played jobs in the game
if not the least played
glass mortar
it has jank to
lime lake
i cant remember off the top of my head
glass mortar
the way jutsus work is very jank
glass mortar
i liked it but it wasnt enough to keep me playing
too naruto for me, sub rogue is already too naruto for me
i dont need giant fire toads and shit
on my sneaky spec
red zinc
flashbang incoming
next wedge
yeah it was fun but i didn't ever play that much xiv
red zinc
ts took me 15 minutes save it for when people ask or smth
glass mortar
gw2 had sick thief
i mean gw2 had a ton of suck classes ngl
i fucked with mesmer haaaard
lime lake
yeah mesmer was my main
glass mortar
cant remember last time a mmo had a class like that
lime lake
such a cool class
next wedge
base game classes were way less interesting than the elite specs
glass mortar
when i picked up the 2h sword and found out it was a ranged weapon that shot lasers i was like heeeeeeeeeeell yess
lime lake
mesmer shooting lasers out of a greatsword
glass mortar
is first row just swapping cap herioc offhand on and off
red zinc
so is capo swap a gain on 2t?
yes
lime lake
gw2 genuinely has some of the best ideas of any mmo ever
they just dont have anything holding it all together
glass mortar
its a shame they leaned too hard into the anti trinity
yea
the basic structure of combat
in group pvm was flawed
next wedge
dodge rolls were fun too
glass mortar
i remember i pushed out level 50 fractals in vanilla gw2
and it was just
u dodgeroll or immune every mechanic because anything that hits u 1 shots u
so everyone builds full berserker maximum dps cause theres no reason to even get tank stats
red zinc
next wedge
i really liked condi builds in HoT and PoF eras
glass mortar
yea condi builds didnt get to exist until the first expansion i think?
because some bosses in fractals literally couldnt receive conditions
and there was condition caps on every mob
next wedge
yea
glass mortar
there was a lot of improving they needed to do when i quit
lime lake
yeah everything that needed improving still needs improving
lime lake
unfortunately the game just doesnt seem to go anywhere
glass mortar
so the first row is using a mythic ilvl mh and swapping herioc capo on and off the offhand? or some of the sims have capo on the main hand?
the first row is still not clear to me
red zinc
i mean you never run hc capo mh
first is ideal setup with hc capo, second is ideal setup with myth capo
glass mortar
ye margin of error for other setup but no reason to swap in that case
glass mortar
expansion and alot of the old content is b2p but yea its still a decent game
red zinc
so these are correct bar any strange sim bugs
glass mortar
wvwvw was one of the most fun forms of pvp any mmo has ever done
me and a friend used to be generals for a guild on our server
toxic dust
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
lime lake
gw2 pvp system was really good when i played
glass mortar
ya
lime lake
could pick what build and stats you wanted all from the start
glass mortar
yea that was structured pvp which was like a side game almost
next wedge
spvp was so much better than WoW pvp
glass mortar
u had no gear u just picked a structure of stats (which was very flexible) and ur build and queued into bgs
had practice dummies and everything for pvpers
lime lake
wvwvw was fun too but i didnt played much bc my internet was ass
next wedge
wow pvp feels like... slippery and theres not a lot of satisfying feedback
glass mortar
then wvwvw was just unhinged no balance 50 man mobs fighting each other
lime lake
oh the mount system was also great
and having different mounts for different things
like the warclaw in pvp
glass mortar
no game has ever topped a squad of 3 necros wiping 40 players teleporting out of a keep
next wedge
yessss
glass mortar
with their aoe fear wall
and fear could path u off terrain in that game
so u could setup chokepoints and bomb people
keen belfry
why do i sometimes not take dmg from the first pull dfc big circles
covert kestrel
surely we gonna get a rework in season 3 right ?
i mean i think a full rework would be bad for anyone who currently enjoys the spec at this point
glass mortar
if ur immune to snares when his aoe goes off it doesnt do damage
so first ~2s of vanish, and all of kspree
next wedge
and fear could path u off terrain in that game
i remember playing mesmer and putting a stealth curtain in front of our group and just stealthing 50 people
and chaining that with other mesmers to have 50 ppl invis running into another zerg
glass mortar
stealth build mesmers hiding in a keep as the enemy captures it then dropping a group portal to backdoor in an army
i did it once or twice in my day
next wedge
im getting nostalgic i kinda wanna play gw2 again