outlaw

[autumn fiber]

Here's the talent

[jaunty moat]

@autumn fiber thank you i have seen tomelvis doing back to back to back i thought i was doing something wrong

[wintry solar]

I concur

[runic bough]

popo

I made a new build

[civic void]

it benefits from supercharger without consumming it but it's just not a big deal at all

[runic bough]

#outlaw message

[wintry solar]

What's new about it

I think I'm missing something

[runic bough]

Take'em

[wintry solar]

Ohhh yeah

That's an interesting idea

Thats cool

Gg Ryu

[pliant wind]

But PC for less than 8 targets its a lot of dmg

3% vers for PC and adapt stats a little?

With equipement

As you have more haste?

[minor lantern]

would Fan the Hammer not be a better substitute?

instead of Precise cuts

[mighty pivot]

if you're losing 400k dps playing this abomination it's better to play a normal build and always send ks at 1-2 cp

[vivid vessel]

How is it an interesting idea to get more haste

Popo you are as cooked as ryu

That's crazy

Also a second point does something @runic bough the tooltip is just bugged

[balmy spade]

getting invited into a ml 20, Oupsïtv in key. oupsi crys oncee again that outlaw is bad and assa is superior. getting replaced. and then theres the fact taht oupsi got kind of boosted by zacs outlaw. why are some players like that

tilted af

sry sry had to vent

[wintry solar]

It's called being nice

Also none of outlaws talents are particularly interesting to begin with tbh

[celest nova]

@vivid vessel

Hi, can you drop your WA on the weapon swap?

[wintry solar]

HO changing SS was an L change tbh

[runic bough]

its just a 1 talent switch for the haste

[mighty pivot]

it's a smaller loss to just send ks at 1-2 cp (and it's faster too)

[magic shuttle]

How many sacrificial pyre stacks can you soak on priory 3rd boss as rogue?

Can you solo the 5 stack?

[storm drum]

only with cloak

2 is fine with feint 3 is pushing it with feint and evasion depending on talents

[balmy spade]

i never soak

[red zinc]

In what universe is two fine

Maybe in 10s

[red zinc]

All these “interesting talent ideas” are just so he has an internal excuse for not playing well

Instead of just trying to get better

[runic bough]

im having way less dry rotations with this new haste build

and aoe is still the same

single target a bit weaker tho

its pretty nice ks finish fast

didnt kill me at all

[mighty pivot]

this cook is so bad it would be a dutch national dish

[runic bough]

damage wasnt really changed at all

[wintry solar]

Is this pointed to me or Ryu?

[runic bough]

me

[wintry solar]

I was the one that said interesting

I didn't even say I liked it

[magic shuttle]

why not both?

but if you like smooth rotations just play HO without GS]

[runic bough]

this build is actually really fun

ks finish faster

no stupid deaths from stupid ass trolololspree

[wintry solar]

You probably have more haste than you should if you're geared for kir

[runic bough]

ye but

if I take some haste off

ks is longer

BAD

[wintry solar]

That typically happens with less haste yes lol

[runic bough]

with lust full cp ks is like a blink of the eye

[mighty pivot]

i will make one last futile attempt. sending ks at 1-2cp is a 3-4% dps loss. why not do that instead if that's your goal instead of changing the build

[runic bough]

so nice

how often do you land on 1 cp tell me

[wintry solar]

Personally a decent bit

[mighty pivot]

after most finishers you are at 1-2 cp

[magic shuttle]

quite often due to ruthlessness

[runic bough]

but if ur trying to low cp ks and u are getting ace procs im not going to keep going until i get 1 cp

I want to get ks off my rotation

[mighty pivot]

you don't ks in subterfuge, you can only proc ace once outside of it

[runic bough]

well I played an entire key with this build already

and ks at full cp is really fast now

and dmg is similar

[mighty pivot]

[runic bough]

so yolo

still beat all the pugs

would have prob beat the other outlaw if I was using cudgel

actually i would have

First pull was the entire room

cudgel woulda won it there for me

that key was just using crafted OH for stats

[mighty pivot]

ryu's worst enemy

[torpid lynx]

How much faster is it? At 20% haste and 7CP my KS takes 2,33

[mighty pivot]

10% haste would make 2,33 a 2,11 ks

[torpid lynx]

That's.. underwhelming

[storm drum]

maybe in 15s too with feint and evasion lmao

[runic bough]

2 second flat

7 cp

faster tho

[red zinc]

If you really wanted to overcap haste itd probably be better to do it through just gear instead of this troll talent setup

[torpid lynx]

You'd still die on candle king if it was .2s

[red zinc]

not that you should because both are int

[runic bough]

yeah I dont have anymore haste gear

[storm drum]

you wont ever beat my ryo lol you are trolling watch your mouth

[runic bough]

I almost beat u with no cudgel

[red zinc]

midoff of the year

[runic bough]

[storm drum]

no you didnt lol

[runic bough]

lol

yes

we had the same overall

[storm drum]

you are garnering off of first pull of mech 14 where you beat me on the first pull i was less than tank

[mighty pivot]

[runic bough]

[storm drum]

becasue i was kicking and kydney shot i only been back to this season for 1 month lol you wont beat me you been banging yhour head against this you hate killing spree wall the whole time just send that shit and man up lmao

[red zinc]

embarassing, this

[storm drum]

no i beat you then i went assa in 15 dfc and beat you again outlaw wins st assa wins trash it is what it is

[runic bough]

I will not accept trolololspree

I was winning the first boss though

[storm drum]

you also had 3 ilvls on me and i beat you with KiR build like ....

[runic bough]

I was doing 5mils on the first boss

[storm drum]

no you didnt win after the first pull maybe 1 trash pack

brother stop

your build is a cook

you have better weps than i do for outlaw

[runic bough]

I was losing overall, but I was winning on first boss

[storm drum]

lol

well you won first pull and first boss of mechagon

nice job

i will say i looked at our dmg breakdowns

yours was pretty bad other than unseen blade

[runic bough]

Im not trying to be better than you, this is just to compare the haste kir build.

[storm drum]

which means you jsut sit on your prio target instead of swapping

yeah

i know

we pumped the same dmg except i came out just a little ahead just using KiR with ghostly strike

3 ilvls behind you

[runic bough]

no cudgel

[storm drum]

if the goal is to do less dmg with more then idk

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/kuma-bark-kumakuma-rsecuts-jenniejennie-jennie-kuma-gif-21262424

this yall rn

[runic bough]

I woulda won if I had cudgel lol

[storm drum]

no you wouldnt have lol

[runic bough]

ok rerun it

[storm drum]

rofl im always down for outlaw keys brother

[runic bough]

yeah after i get some sleep

we can dps race again

i gotta say tho

this build has so much energy its really nice

[winged depot]

Oh can I sim wat damage i'm supposed to be doing with my gear or sth if I played perfectly?

[vivid vessel]

im tired boss

[storm drum]

Kir has energy too if your tank never stops lol if you ahve constant uptime idk lol i usually just run HO and set it and forget it

[runic bough]

yeah i play both builds too

just this haste stacking for ks is interesting to me

[vivid vessel]

do i have to block ryuk

i dont wanna block people man

[storm drum]

however i gotta finish like 4-5 more 10s on my war for the Triple threat title that is my goal when i wake up and then try to pug into some 15s becasue thats what i do is push only been back to the game a month nothing will stop me lol unless its just pugs shit the bed

[runic bough]

well

If i get another 15 u should come

we both pumping

always fun to play with outlaws from here

always pumping

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747561446539395205/1377930343448973372/ssstik.io_sourmilkhotel_1748594579074.mp4?ex=683d6422&is=683c12a2&hm=625fc95edf27c14ab6dd5f7a848bdf0cf1657ce2c5f699841346bb1518fdc7a5&

[storm drum]

15 keys are not midlolol the average wow player never steps into a 5+ or higher...so doing 15 keys is actually like top 3% of all players so if you are doing 19 keys with full mythic gear and you been pushing nonstop im proud of you

[jolly geyser]

3k rating is like under 10%

[hardy thicket]

Yuh the actual mid-off would be like all 9s in time or something lol

[storm drum]

i think the mid off is just under 2k rio

I'm sure there are statistics somewhere

[hardy thicket]

Statistics can be decieving though. Yeah they're at raider.io. But most people don't actually push when they have all their 12s in time and are happy doing x whatever amount of weeklies after that

[storm drum]

thats becasue they cant push or they would...

[mighty pivot]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-2/eu charts here

[storm drum]

if you dont push you dont know the dungeon mechanics that will kill you and you dont know how to rotate your defensives or when to push them .....so stating that well there are some good raiders that just dont push m+ and they are stuck at 3k io is just bleh maybe its a time restraint maybe they dont enjoy the toxicity.

[hardy thicket]

I mean I love M+ and I've pushed a lot but believe it or not some people just see it as a chore

so they won't push past bare minimum

and bare minimum i'd guess is 12 this season

[civic void]

Or maybe they don't wanna engage with the content ?

[nocturne folio]

Maybe they care 0 about m+ and did all 12's for cartel chip trinket

[storm drum]

bare minimum is 2k rrio for KSM like it always has been

whatever the fuckin reason may be thats the statistics

[nocturne folio]

3k also has a mount now

[jolly geyser]

only reason I went for 3k,prolly would have got it anyway

[hardy thicket]

I mean im not playing an alt for example unless I get all 12 in time asap

having an alt and playing your key and having it drop

insta gg

better make it resi

[jolly geyser]

oh ye, should get my ret pala gear in check

its 660

[hardy thicket]

im reverse mode this tier cuz dad mode

[red zinc]

why isnt resi account wide

regardless

[storm drum]

you mean you guys arent doing 12s on your alts once they hit 660 illvl like i am?

[hardy thicket]

thats exactly what I mean

[storm drum]

you mean you dont do 10 keys at 645-655 ilvl?

[jolly geyser]

cba

[hardy thicket]

yeah this is trollbait

[red zinc]

this guy lost to ryu in dps

[jolly geyser]

ye

[red zinc]

hes ass at the game idk

[storm drum]

timmy why you spreading lies

merz how is it trollbait?

make friednds in game and push keys and push them on alts fuck raiding just do m+ the reward is better. the time investment is better

[red zinc]

im surprised you know anything about making friends actin like this

typing like a bridge troll

[hardy thicket]

I was just saying #1 prio is getting an alt to have all 12s in time for me and you just replied non-sensical thus trollbait

[storm drum]

how is pushing 12s at 660 ilvl non sensical?

you can tank and heal 10s at 645-655 ilvl

what?

[hardy thicket]

?????????? its not what im saying

[storm drum]

you just fuckin said that

[hardy thicket]

I just don't think you understand what I mean lol

my alt is a rat, I do 12s on it insta

we're saying the same thing

lol

[storm drum]

yeah

gotcha

it does suck though because without mythic raiding you dont get 680 ilvl quickly 670 sure full heroic upgraded and crafteds and a couple vault slots good to go

i think i may have to run the dk geared the mage in 1 week did 40 m+ hes at 667 ilvl pumping uber pumping arcane is good but shit at the same time.

[jolly geyser]

come reset my rogue has all 680+ atleast

[hardy thicket]

you can get to like 678+ only doing M+ in 2 weeks

with a fresh alt

[storm drum]

yeah ?

[hardy thicket]

so its all good

[storm drum]

if you hvae nice vaults im assuming

[hardy thicket]

you've got what like uh 7 crafts

or 6?

[jolly geyser]

I lost track

[hardy thicket]

thats 6 or 7 681 items right there alone

[storm drum]

ah yeah if you do all the crafts

i think there are 7 crafts

[jolly geyser]

oh some dinar shit come reset

[storm drum]

Plus i play the game with my friends. did the triple threat tile where you tank/heal/ and dps timed 10s on all of them fun stuff interesting characters lol

mythic signet here i come bb

fuckin maybe i can get crowd favorite or belt or boots in vault

[jolly geyser]

prolly getting magnet,nothing else worthwhile

[storm drum]

yeah i have sparekeys myuthc and pacemaker myth so idk doing both assa and outlaw its fun becasue just third boss dfc cant be arsed with outlaw

[jolly geyser]

my keys have speed so its bis

[storm drum]

lol

i think i have like 3 pieces for my outlaw with speed on them haaha so fast

[jolly geyser]

speed makes KS faster,heard it here first

[storm drum]

rofl bro i always send KS full cp idc lol

sometimes i gotta wait just a couple seconds then send

im not gonna lie i cant even really tell the difference between KiR and HO except when you get the good rolls with KiR it feels like an engine jus tpumping destined for me to fuck up and ruin it and then lose AR and everything

HO is easy less brain rot you just roll them bones when its up and keep pumping.

[jolly geyser]

I like pressing less stuff so I play HO PC

in m+

[storm drum]

i mena its kind of the same amount of pressses

just adding ghostly strike and Kir is 2 extra buttons but i agree HO is just fine in m+ less to mess up and im not even sure if the dmg is noticeable between the two to bhonest i cant tell

KiR has a little mroe downtime than HO it seem which is weird

[timber knoll]

KiR when the buffs are buffin and the unlimited aoe weapon is so fun

[storm drum]

you aint wrong tho

i think a vanish every like 18 seconds is nutty be having like 5% quake overall dmg from cudgel

and then weh twighligt dev decides to proc high lol

[lusty horizon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lyric steeple]

https://wago.io/6Xo93TUhx for this WA what are we suppose to do? Just copy and paste the ./run commands?

[rotund zodiac]

Ye

[nocturne folio]

what i wanna know is how a 667 character did those damages

[storm drum]

was the ele getting pi on cd and using 2 min ascendance probably not lmao

[nocturne folio]

obv not, its a pug, so after the 2nd pull i auto get pi

[storm drum]

you got pi as outlaw? thats acutally like a negative lmao give it to he prot war over the outlaw rogue wth

[nocturne folio]

ofc you get pi as outlaw, just pug and be top dps

[sullen walrus]

maybe i can find here a players who speak polish or ukrainian?

[honest sparrow]

Not only that. If a priest doesnt target someone with pi we nearly always get it. Probably because for the game we are nearly always in a "cd"

[visual zephyr]

ok idont know who's doin dps tier list on wowhead but he need a some game knowledge they put outlaw c tier dude outlaw is very good right now utility defensiveness plus dps...

[nocturne folio]

kinda squishy and rogue utility is very kekw

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is squishy?

[visual zephyr]

squishy dude i have %36 versa plus feint ?

probably most tanky dps spec in game right now

[nocturne folio]

i mean

if you dont know what other specs do sure

it is the tankiest rogue for sure

[vivid vessel]

what

you just play elus

and you are basically

second tankiest spec in the game

[minor lantern]

whats the first?

[vivid vessel]

dk

[timber knoll]

Yeah I have to tell priests not to PI me

[nocturne folio]

what about ret pala?

[timber knoll]

Even in the 17s I’ve been doing they don’t get it lol

[vivid vessel]

idk they run out of defensives

ret palas i mean

so

[nocturne folio]

how are the lock specs now, defensive wise

?

[timber knoll]

Nothing is tangier than outlaw imo. Vers main stat and you always have feint evasion or both, plus cloak you can ignore mechanics or soak debuffs

Tankier

[vivid vessel]

idk no one plays lock

[nocturne folio]

hmm i thought rogue was the least played class

atm

[vivid vessel]

idk

i dont see many locks in my keys

[nocturne folio]

gotcha

[vale warren]

I think overall lowest is probably evoker

[nocturne folio]

yeah rogue/monk/evoker

and at the bottom of the bucket

[vale warren]

Zenith gang

Warriors letting the team down by actually having a playerbase

[scenic hound]

is there a weak aura for tracking blade flurry while its up

[nocturne folio]

dont worry

warriors are bottom 4, 15 and above

right next to us

[torpid lynx]

Any of the spec auras has a BF tracker

[scenic hound]

do u have a link?

[torpid lynx]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[quasi notch]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[shell fossil]

[runic gulch]

If you use that RtB WA that a lot of people are using, that has a very well telegraphed warning built in when BF is down while in proximity to more than one target

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

This one I think

[vivid vessel]

@fallen knot

[sullen walrus]

what does it mean bubble?

[livid pewter]

when you start key there is a 10 sec bubble before u can start runnin

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel my vdh is big now

[sullen walrus]

how to turn on this bars?

[red zinc]

b tech dc villain

[old reef]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[timid portal]

what item level offhand is better than cudgel for m+?

or its cudgel just always go to

[storm drum]

cudgel on trash and capo's even heroic capo's on bosses if you cant get either grab a crafted it s whatever man we are talking 1-3% dmg overall in a key....read the pins

[gaunt phoenix]

Cudgel is always better on trash, 3+ targets, but you weapon swap to capo on bosses

[timid portal]

i just wanted to know if there is a rule for not running cudgel

i have hero capo

smth like this rn

[mighty pivot]

cudgel is best for trash

[sullen walrus]

boys, its weakaura or how to turn on this bars?

[icy hare]

Interface options

[desert tendon]

check on personnal ressources in settings

[icy hare]

Personal resource display

[cedar hatch]

Think you go "combat" -> "personal resource display"

in settings

[desert tendon]

but lot of people use weakauras that looks like that, just better version of the blizzard's ui basically

so maybe that s one of them

[cedar hatch]

Some Plater profiles also change how it looks so maybe check in there for the buffs

yo any idea what I should use my Dinar's on? I'm playing M+ mainly but haven't done mythic raid or all 12's on this char yet. Seeing a lot of geargrinder's, but maybe Mega magnet + Pacemaker is okay for M+?

PS: both Kezan and Mega Magnet are HC

[gaunt phoenix]

if you wont be getting mythic raid trinkets you should prolly wait for 12s and get M wax whistle and M pacemaker

[cedar hatch]

Ah I see. When I look at Murlok not many are playing Whistle though. Is that just because they prolly have mythic Pacemaker?

[cinder relic]

Trinket this tier have similar value so

U can kinda go whichever u want based on vibes

They all have slight pros and cons past just sim dps

[sullen walrus]

but it's only turn on your cp

[gaunt phoenix]

most people there have mythic geargrinder, and kind of vibe that M pacemaker is better than M whistle, but it's not really true

[cinder relic]

ppl tend to overvalue stat trinkets

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh

[cinder relic]

"Wow this proc trinket only did 4%? This trinket sucks"

[cedar hatch]

ah respect, I'm not really a stat trinket kinda guy anyway so that's lucky

[cinder relic]

(Ignoring that a state trinket would net them 3.5% dps"

[gaunt phoenix]

oh pacemaker is good for other specs

[cedar hatch]

Too boring for me XD

[cinder relic]

also true

[covert kestrel]

Vexie and Whistle are bis vibes tho since you're just flinging bikes and mine carts at people non stop

[white marten]

This WA should be part of the bblizz CD manager lmfaoo

[rotund zodiac]

guys I won the roll

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-4446960541527894948

[jolly geyser]

dont miss with it

gz

[rotund zodiac]

can't hit 1st boss rookery right?

what about last boss?

[jolly geyser]

hits him iirc

[rotund zodiac]

cool

[jolly geyser]

huge hitbox and all that

[red zinc]

it does not hit him

[jolly geyser]

oh?

[rotund zodiac]

😭

guess I'll magnet in rookery

[jolly geyser]

sry about that

I avoid rookery

gonna magnet with you flushie come reset

[red zinc]

i gotta kill myth stix man

should be puggable but

idk

[jolly geyser]

its kinda ass pugging that I can imagine

[red zinc]

ima see boost costs

[desert tendon]

tiem the boosted

[red zinc]

aint spending any more time on raid than i need to

[desert tendon]

and you re right to

[red zinc]

2mil for stix is crazy though

[desert tendon]

eh

how

[hybrid crown]

If your raid has a ton of mele stix is a very different fight

I would just grapple out and kill scrap masters and bomb crabs exclusively to avoid the pile of toasted incinerate mele

[rotund zodiac]

2m is like my wow life saving

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel 20:00 today

not 1900

[vivid vessel]

bruh

im working tommorrow

[proven ocean]

u cant play or

if u cant we can get a nother player just lmk beforehand

[vivid vessel]

i can

but

till 1/2am

not more

also i have a rookery

[proven ocean]

i dont think we ever played till 2 am

for some time now

[proven ocean]

okok

[eager rose]

you were referring to the monk, right?

[sage lion]

Somebody need to tell them about private messages

[winged inlet]

if i get KS and coup , do i prio it over y bte in the subteruge window?

[red zinc]

no you dont enter subterfuge if those are up

and if they come up during you dont press

[winged inlet]

what is the haste i should aim for? im at 18% and my sif tells me to aim even more

[rotund zodiac]

I just tried, it somehow hit him

gotta note that down

[mighty pivot]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[frail veldt]

It explodes but doesn't do damage apparently

[valid kindle]

I was being gaslit and told it does hit smh

[red zinc]

go check logs / details

[rotund zodiac]

oh.....

that sucks

[magic shuttle]

You can hit first boss whenever he is not in flying the middle

[vapid blaze]

xD

[frail veldt]

it does hit "sometimes"

p sure someone checked my logs

I have no idea though what causes it

Im just not gona run it on that boss

I wish I had a better alternative

[timber knoll]

So are people swapping sub just for rookery last boss? If so when is the ideal time to hearth out and run back in?

[red zinc]

you use dungeon port right after 2nd boss

[sullen walrus]

can someone told me < why i always roll 2

some rules for rtb?

i didnt understand this

[gaunt phoenix]

why you always roll 2?

with tier set + sleight of hand, you have a 65% chance to get 2 buffs

[sullen walrus]

i have tier set

[glass mortar]

are u asking why u usually end up with 2 buffs or why u always reroll on 2 buffs

[sullen walrus]

Reroll

[glass mortar]

because the chances of improving your roll are very high

tier set + sleight makes it very likely u get another 2 buff or a 5 buff roll

and the aim is to get to 5 buffs

plus it procs supercharger

[gaunt phoenix]

the value of rolling is high. you get supercharger, and are likely to get 2 buffs again or it turns into 5 buffs

17% chance to get 5 buffs is really strong

[sullen walrus]

How i can track supercharger?

[glass mortar]

u dont need to

but its also not easy to

it doesnt change how u play

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah i dont track it

[sullen walrus]

but my damage is rly bad

[glass mortar]

thats not why

[sullen walrus]

i'm playing kir build

[glass mortar]

it just gets consumed by u doing the rotation u dont change anything around supercharger

[sullen walrus]

i dont wanna use hekili, bceuse it's shit

but i dont understand this rotation, fr

when i need to use bf , coup , ks

a lot of things

[covert kestrel]

i mean its all laid out in #outlaw-faq but in practice it takes a while to learn the rotation since we do have a decent number of spinning plates. I would probably just stick to HO if you're having trouble with priorities since some things become a bit more simple with HO than KiR.

I was garbage for a while and just spent hours at dummies practicing the rotation

[gaunt phoenix]

From faq you can see KS is the highest priority finisher but not in stealth

so if KS is ready, and you are not in stealth, then you are using KS as the next finisher

[covert kestrel]

And while imho hekili is bad for really learning a spec, it can be helpful in the early stages just to get a feel of the 'flow' of the spec, and then see what its recommending when and start to implement it without the addon

[gaunt phoenix]

but ya i think it will catch with practice. and i tried to communicate that the KIR build is not for new outlaws

[sullen walrus]

but i try to understand this spec

what u think, i have 684 stormclaw main hand and event weapon + capo off hand

maybe try capo main hand + event off hand?

[gaunt phoenix]

No that's terrible

main hand item level is really important

always use 684 mainhand

[sullen walrus]

adrenaline rush, i need to use then i have cd ks and havent vanish + bf ?

[covert kestrel]

assuming you've hit the haste breakpoints and dont have a gajillion mastery, its really not going to be a gear switchup that will impact your damage/how the spec feels.

[gaunt phoenix]

adrenaline rush is used immediately when it is available. You are trying to maintain adrenaline rush >90% of the time

if you cant do that, this spec does no damage

You open with AR into BTE

[covert kestrel]

and adrenaline rush uptime comes from using builders and spenders in an efficient manner/a bit of dungeon or encounter knowledge to know when to send what.

[sullen walrus]

i have 34 vers + 20 haste and 26 mastery, it's ok?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[sullen walrus]

34 vers with flask

ghostly strike immediately when it's available?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[sullen walrus]

and we dont use ambush yeap?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah KIR build does not use ambush

[covert kestrel]

are you using one of the weakaura packs to track everything

[sullen walrus]

which one?

[covert kestrel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[covert kestrel]

any of the top four are highly recommended for tracking pretty much everything we need for the spec

i personally used Devlin for a long time and recently switched to zacs group

[sullen walrus]

luxthos edit looks good

[sullen walrus]

thanks a lot ❤️

raidobts shows me 4.9 mln overall

but in practise is 2.8-3

[gaunt phoenix]

Well if you mean dungeonslice, the number is not a details overall

[sullen walrus]

when i use ar my supercharger will be lost?

[gaunt phoenix]

its just a 6 minute boss/aoe scenario

[covert kestrel]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

supercharger just buffs your next 2 finishers by +3cp, whenever they are

[covert kestrel]

no correllation between ar and supercharger combo points

[sullen walrus]

but how i always reroll 2 bones?

[gaunt phoenix]

i still dont understand what you are asking

why do you reroll when you have 2 buffs?

[sullen walrus]

yeap

[timber knoll]

Thanks, do CDs line up to send them on pull and again during damage amp?

[glass mortar]

depends on the group

its not timer based

the boss has a shield u need to pop

he goes vuln everytime u pop the shield

[red zinc]

what kind of keys are you doing anyway

just curious

cause i feel like its really not necessary until 19

[glass mortar]

i feel that if u send cds on pull u will certainly not have cds for first vuln tho

probably depends on key level

[gaunt phoenix]

you reroll when you have 2 buffs because you are likely to get 2 buffs again or they become 5 buffs

& you get supercharger

it's just an expected dps gain

[timber knoll]

Timed the 17 and I felt like I was trolling that boss a bit as outlaw. Gives me vibes from that DF boss in Fall I think

[glass mortar]

yea its prob outlaws worst boss of the season

damage profile wise

[bronze bough]

When playing with Geargrinder trinket, do i just use it on CD? It does the same dmg in ST and AOE right? or do i want to time it with something?

[timber knoll]

Plus doing KS on that boss feels weird

[gaunt phoenix]

just hit it

With bte buff active

[glass mortar]

its pretty safe

[gaunt phoenix]

DONT macro it into bte

[glass mortar]

only thing thats rough is if multiple puddles get dropped on the kspree spot

[timber knoll]

I tell people not to let a puddle drop in the middle front and they do

[glass mortar]

mhm

[bronze bough]

I won't have it as a seperate keybinds, just doesn't feel like a good trinket tbh - almost rather wanna run Remnant of darkness instead?

[glass mortar]

its one of our best trinkets

remnant is not

but the gap isnt huge or anything

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's generally bis trinket

but trinkets arent that strong in general

[bronze bough]

Just saw Zac doesn't use it, he uses other trinkets?

[timber knoll]

Other than that I honestly feel outlaw is just the better spec than sin personally! Like in cinderbrew on the ipa boss I do no damage to the adds as sin but on law I can delete them

[gaunt phoenix]

zac is kinda coping by not using geargrinder

only reason to not use it is because it doesnt hit rookery 1st/last boss

[glass mortar]

tbh ive seen people reporting quite often it fails to hit its targets solo

[bronze bough]

ahh okay - i'll keep using it and hit it off cooldown with BtE buff

[gaunt phoenix]

like what

[glass mortar]

like if it hits a pebble on the ground and explodes the aoe splash fails to hit anyone even in trash

[sullen walrus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[timber knoll]

wtf I had no idea geargrinder didn’t hit some bosses

[glass mortar]

idk several people have said theyve seen uses just fizzle into trash packs and not do any damage

in keys

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesn't surprise me it's possible

[timber knoll]

Blizz pls

[glass mortar]

i havent tried it myself cause im sticking with magnet

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think i've seen it happen

[glass mortar]

the true goat

magnet whistle

[gaunt phoenix]

and ive had it on day 1

[glass mortar]

ya they could be coping or aiming it poorly

people dont realize u do need to aim it it shoots straight out of ur character direction

so if ur strafing side to side u can launch it sideways if ur not careful

[gaunt phoenix]

ya that happens once every 358 casts

[timber knoll]

Well no wonder my rookery boss damage felt troll. Is the same true for the wax whistle?

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's not

[glass mortar]

wax whistle is targeted so it shouldnt be

[gaunt phoenix]

Bro it does 1.6%^ of your damage

its not trolling

[glass mortar]

well bike is probably worth a little more then 1.6% of ur damage on that boss if u can hold it for vulns

but yea

i mean outlaw is just troll on that boss

not much u can do

[timber knoll]

Look I need to find an excuse for my performance that is not me centric

[glass mortar]

heavily focused on burn phases

if u dont roll a 5 buff during one of the burns gl

ur not gunna look very nice on the meters but it happens

[timber knoll]

Other damage amp bosses are chill though, I really hate the shield and burn bosses so much

[glass mortar]

alright ml 14 time

gunna nock out my resilient 14s today ig

[quiet oriole]

Is vexie mythic a fight where i play crudgel or capo?

[glass mortar]

cap

[quiet oriole]

or do i weapon swap in intermission?

[glass mortar]

u never wear cudgel in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

Cudgel vanish thing doesnt work on bosses

[quiet oriole]

because i cant reset its effect with vanish?

[glass mortar]

yes

[quiet oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/roger-roger-roger-roger-that-copy-that-robots-gif-5912820

[rapid ore]

is it possible to hit first boss rookery with ks? (not dying ofc)

[glass mortar]

with cloak

[keen belfry]

solo why isnt tehre a pin for the new ryu build

[glass mortar]

otherwise no u cant kspree himduring intermission

[keen belfry]

38% haste

[glass mortar]

u get instantly stunned

and take 1 tick of the beam

[rapid ore]

unlucko

[quiet oriole]

am i playing keep it rolling in st raid?

[glass mortar]

if u wanna play fatebound

[lime lake]

i love how 2/3 rogue specs cant use one of their main damage tools on that boss during intermission

[timber knoll]

Do you guys swap back to capo at certain target counts in m+ on trash? Or is that a little too micro managey

[glass mortar]

at 1 or 2 targets u can for sure but i only do it if i can do it without incuring a gcd

or if 1 guys gunna be alive forever

(aka during kspree)

[opal raven]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[compact smelt]

why would you not be able to play trickster in raid for majority of bosses..?

[glass mortar]

because kir trickster st isnt that good?

fatebound is kirs best st build

[quiet oriole]

isnt trickster still better in raid?`then just without keep it rolling and with ambush?

[compact smelt]

that just isn’t true

[glass mortar]

?

theres like 1 st fight in all of raid btw

[compact smelt]

trickster kir not being good on sprocket I could see but

everything else I’d imagine it would be

[quiet oriole]

im just looking at archon and try to make sense out of it, for what im playing 😄

[remote pecan]

has there been a hidden change to KS to stop us being stunned during it? or did i just get giga lucky KS'ing on CD on the candle king?

[red zinc]

no changes

[nocturne folio]

touch candle = stun, no touch no stun ez KS

[glass mortar]

cause nothing else is st

[timber knoll]

I mean trickster is just more deterministic compared to fatebound right? No coin RNG to deal with

[glass mortar]

not rlly

there is only 1 real ST fight in raid, kir fatebound is best for it because u cant play trickster HO which is the competative ST build

trickster kir ST is behind either build

but thats the only real ST fight in raid so

u play trickster everywhere else

[quiet oriole]

so am i playing trickster or fatebound on cauldron?

[red zinc]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glass mortar]

trickster

[red zinc]

are yall talking about kir or something

thought trickster ho was better ST than fatebound also

[glass mortar]

its almost identical

depends on ur gear

gap should be less then 1% tho

trickster HO and kir fatebound ST r neck and neck

[timber knoll]

I’m getting my mythic capo with my dinar this week baby I’m going to the mf moon

[glass mortar]

kir trickster is behind

[compact smelt]

I mean yeah that’s why I asked why you wouldn’t play it for majority of bosses?

[glass mortar]

so is HO fatebound

[glass mortar]

i didnt say not to play it for a majority of bosses

[timber knoll]

Just play sin like blizzard wants you to

[glass mortar]

u absolutely should play trickster for a majority of bosses theres only 1 real ST fight the whole raid tier

[sullen walrus]

what u think?

i have house of cards 671 + magnet
or maybe change the ring ?

[livid pewter]

i literally cant see shid xD so much numbers on this window

[glass mortar]

upgrade whatever sims as the highest upgrade idk

at some point ur just gunna be upgrading items that are 0.2-0.3% dps inscreases cause shits so high ilvl

u just gotta decide what u wanna do theres no 100% correct path

@vivid vessel just had a 14 ml get bricked on the wall skip because the shaman bodypulled into our warlock and they both died

then the healer went to rez them

and ran 20 yards away to ST rez them

then body pulled the robot

how r u doing a 14 without the aoe rez bound

[sullen walrus]

if i have coup and ks first i need to use coup yeap?

[glass mortar]

ks

[sullen walrus]

coup only 5-6 cp yeap?

[vapid blaze]

what happens on bandit if you get fixated and vanish

[glass mortar]

you can coup at whatever cp u happen to be at if u would build with SS when its available

if u have ambush or PS available then build to coup

[long barn]

guys

anyone know how I can grapple and not need the parasol toy in Rookery

last time i couldnt figure it out

[glass mortar]

stand on edge and grapple to other edge

after uve dropped

[long barn]

ok

on the corner?

or what

[glass mortar]

idk i juststand on edge spamming until one goes off

diudnt have any issues finding a path

[analog fog]

https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/FitWimpySalamanderAMPTropPunch-99pE8W8ZUyvDX0Hl

[jovial sedge]

pog

[strong cargo]

It refixate someone else

[serene pilot]

/wa

[strong cargo]

Coup on default builder usage, or use it early if you would have to build with ss

[glass mortar]

can confirm wax whistle hits targets even if they arent "reachable" like last boss rookery @frail veldt

just tested in a rookery 14

[frail veldt]

Good to know

[glass mortar]

wow i lowrolled af

9 procs and no crits

😠

[red zinc]

why is everyone so absurdly on edge in keys this season

gawd damn

someone llinked that pull 7 before a floodgate and i asked if it was a bit too much without a dk, instantly kicked for having "a big ego"

[long barn]

have we confirmed grinder works?

i wanna try twlight but when i did last i got the worst procs

[long barn]

thanks bro. worked great

[quiet oriole]

wtf am i supposed to do on rik with killing spree

was just 4x mc

[green wing]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[dapper sierra]

How is outlaw in pvp?

[half ibex]

Hey guys, newbie to outlaw here with a few questions. First off : should i only aim to maintain the blade furry buff, or should i press whenever available basically?

[gaunt phoenix]

normally you just maintain it, but the KIR build in keys uses the Deft Maneuvers talent which makes BF give combo points in aoe

so that build would press it a lot

[half ibex]

Alright, currentyl learning the spec with the HO build so i wont focus on that now, trying to get my fingers going :p

Second question : i feel like i rarerly have 4+ RTB buffs, should i just spam the RTB to get 4+?

[keen belfry]

i get so many random whipsers just afk in dornogal

[brave lagoon]

so close to 5m

[hybrid crown]

thoughts on my details name

[gaunt phoenix]

ye you are spamming rtb

[craggy barn]

v for not meta

[violet ferry]

What is the highest dps weapon xmog?

[craggy barn]

also having not meta in ur name in a group where u are probably the most meta is kinda funny

[craggy barn]

a shitty 1 pixel weapon, or the most fuck off giga blade u got

[violet ferry]

That’s what I suspected

But it’s up for interpretation

[cinder relic]

Mage tower artifact weapons

[violet ferry]

I’m using the long rapiers from the mage tower with an obnoxious weapon enchant illusion, but I feel like there could be more

[red zinc]

this is the best dps mog

[craggy barn]

nah its these

[red zinc]

holy big paws

[craggy barn]

naked undead or 4 swords

the only way to do dps

[red zinc]

ppl really starting to find ways around the "note tip" ban

ts so pathetic

if you're broke just say that

[hybrid crown]

I realized that when blanking the names lol

It was from a guild key

[frail veldt]

Yeah I usually just say to my group "friendly reminder I am target capped at 8"

[red zinc]

i aint saying anything anymore

[frail veldt]

whenever theyre like "3 thug pull?" at start of like brewery

I mean

you just potentially saved yourself wasted time

so

[red zinc]

3 muscle pull is fine

[half ibex]

thanks sir!

[red zinc]

if other classes got burst

[frail veldt]

can be yeah

[red zinc]

just not if its fury + outlaw or some shit

[frail veldt]

I was in a group with double outlaw

and they wanted 3 muscle pull

v dumb

[red zinc]

that pull i linked wasnt really an outlaw issue though

just those snipers staying in ranged and tapping people

stupid ass pull

[torpid pasture]

!plater

[frail veldt]

yeah "shoot" mobs suck

honestly

[craggy barn]

shootem back

use ur guns

blame the ranged for not being in melee and for being 80yds away

bc theyre dumb and like to be nowhere

[runic bough]

Why doesn't our bullets cause any kind of injury to our foes?

Because they just bounce off???

Stupid design

Rework fr fr

[craggy barn]

ryu u didnt change ur name to go along with ur color swap

[runic bough]

What is the color for haste kir ryucooked giga haste build?

[craggy barn]

guys i havent played in 10days, am i gona be washed

[craggy barn]

u are outlaw color rn so that

but ur name text os still sub

[runic bough]

Wot

Its outlaw now

[weary fog]

Change it to Ryucookage only 38% haste to avoid ks

[sullen walrus]

Who can tell me about rotation and my misstackes?
It's really hard to understand xD
I can share screen on discord. Can pay u 30k gold xD

[cinder relic]

What

[runic bough]

wow guys

[craggy barn]

idk if anyone will do live coaching, but could probably record some gameplay (training dummy or a dungeon) and someone would look at it

[runic bough]

theres actually a cool mount in the monthly traders post

I can spend some tokens oooo

700 tokens is mean tho

[sullen walrus]

сф

Сan do

try to record gameplay on training dummy

rookery +13 2.5 overall damage xD

[craggy barn]

have the thing that shows ur gcds as well

think details usually pops something up when ur on a dummy

[sullen walrus]

if anyone tell me about my misstack rly will pay 30-50 k gold

[mystic belfry]

Anyone around for a question?

[craggy barn]

ask

[mystic belfry]

from visions should I get twilight devistaion or gushing wounds from greater?

[craggy barn]

either is fine, TD has a chance to ninja pull in keys

[cinder relic]

Td more aoe gush more st

Make a value judgement

[red zinc]

I mean more st is a bit of an exaggeration

they do practically the same ST (~0.1-0.2% difference) while the aoe gap is already 1% on dslice (so probably a bit more on pure aoe)

you just risk ninjapulling, happened like twice in 50-60 keys last 2 weeks

and thats something you gotta decide yourself, cant really advise there

[paper pumice]

is geargrinder also doing around 2% of ur dmg in m++

[heavy shadow]

Getting my arse handed to me by crzed hulk in visions. Is there a way to avoid the leap as rogue?

[cinder relic]

Nope it's just a sanity tax

[heavy shadow]

I just seem to be getting dmg down by the bloody trash

Bosses are fine

and the npc pulling packs jesus christ

[cinder relic]

8 masks?

[heavy shadow]

ye

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean u just need to spam evasion, save vanish to reset if the boss pulls before that trash

Or use Ps to pull from ranged

[glass grove]

Id recommend assassination lowkey 👀 sudden demise goes DUMMY hard in visions

[cinder relic]

If u try and body pull shit will social

[glass grove]

Garrote everything CT walk away and it all dies

[cinder relic]

And then u have to deal with 9 mobs, a boss, gamon, with 7 stacks of damage amp

Saving evasion for high stacks

Should be easy to have high uptime with float

[heavy shadow]

Honestly, I'm in Outlaw chat for a reason. I've powered through until now. is it really not possible

oh and our main dmg output relies on a vanish that resets stuff 😄

[quiet oriole]

what is an appropriate overall dps for a 17 top?

[frail veldt]

Like 5 mil?

Anything lower than like 4.5 time is gonna be close

[quiet oriole]

i doubt there is a top with a rogue even close to 5mil overall lol

[frail veldt]

That's extremely untrue lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Zac just did like 5.5m in a 19 top today

[frail veldt]

Timmy too

[hybrid crown]

The default pull order of top leaves a lot of aoe on the table

[gaunt phoenix]

gamer

[quiet oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?boss=62293&class=Rogue&spec=Melee

huh strange, when im just clicking through these logs i hadnt found one

[frail veldt]

Logs are different

[quiet oriole]

this isnt a whole top though

[frail veldt]

They are total time

Not combat time

[gaunt phoenix]

ye logs wont reflect details

[frail veldt]

Different metric esp on top cuz lots of RP and transport time

Top logs are prob 15% lower than details

[quiet oriole]

so details =/= logs?

[gaunt phoenix]

in keys yes, the log average inclues downtime out of combat

[frail veldt]

Some keys have a smaller difference

Like psf

But keys with uncontrollable non combat time are more delta from details

[gaunt phoenix]

you can hover 'active time' to see dps while active, which should be closer to details

[frail veldt]

Also a lot of people don't log keys

[quiet oriole]

So i should aim for 4.5m. Context is, that a friend send me a pic of their 17 top and was pissed that the unholy only did 3.6m overall and stated that he got carried (everyone had under 4m and yes it was timed) so i was curious, if i would go into the same key, if i would be considered boosted

[red zinc]

thats not the overall

thats first boss

LMAO

wish i was that good

[gaunt phoenix]

oop

[frail veldt]

Close enough

[red zinc]

i mean overall was 4.8 we live with it

[frail veldt]

I mean

Under 4 mil as unholy is p sus

In a 17

What were the other DPS doing

That's probably a grey parse for uhdk at that key lvl lol

[quiet oriole]

3.7 and 3.9

[craggy barn]

is there anything weird to look out for in MOAB

as law

compared to heroic

i come back to MOAB prog

[limber hazel]

is it possible to have 8 combo point with outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

naw

[glass mortar]

u can actually

its very difficult tho

u should just assume its a sanity tax tbh

if u grapple while mid air of ur toss u dont take the hit

because its u hitting the ground that does sanity damage

its like a 0.5s window to get off tho

also til if u pull the trash pack before second boss of ML onto the boss

the aoe haste buff goes on the boss

he just cast a frontal in 0.5s

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wow im surprised echo won mdi !!

can u believe that

: O

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its kinda close lol

[keen belfry]

where is pin on new ryu build

[proven ocean]

55 seconds ahead

[vivid vessel]

yeye

[proven ocean]

"kinda close"

[vivid vessel]

it is

close

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

I mean

you cant say its not close lol

[proven ocean]

well

if they depleted that key it would've been gg

so ye

i guess

[vivid vessel]

in the past tgp has always been like

a team doing higher keys

there it was time

and mandatory did a +1 on brew

[proven ocean]

ya

their ToP route is quite crazy ngl

[vivid vessel]

ye

i saw

[proven ocean]

craziest shit i've seen since blackrookhold they did

that made them lose MDI

xdd

idk why they show these techs

and not last day

@vivid vessel

did u know that

mandatory has more echo players

than echo's team

[vivid vessel]

well wunderbear has only one echo player now

with ging

[proven ocean]

ya

[vivid vessel]

and "merees"

[proven ocean]

meeres doesnt count

[vivid vessel]

but merees is not an actual player so

[proven ocean]

not a player

welll

in terms of exploits

echo is the best at game mechanics

by echo i mean

the prime echo players

naowh, gingi, clickz etc

[vivid vessel]

i mean its just naowh meress and gingi no ?

clickz came later i think

[proven ocean]

yeah

true

clickz is w.e

hes an echo raider tho one of their past best

average twitch chatter

top dps = master of dpser

bring 3 udk's then

[fossil lintel]

All AoE, overall is king, that is the way

[proven ocean]

gingi mdi winner = still washed up

LOOL

[shut iris]

nice vid zac, show ppl skill > meta

[vivid vessel]

[subtle field]

on xav in top is there some sort of way to get out of the duel mechanic? can I meld right before the cast goes off?

[vivid vessel]

i dont think so

it sucks as outlaw to go down but

i think its worth it

[subtle field]

yeah, well I just play around it ig

[vivid vessel]

cause we insta kill anyone

keep magnet stacks for the duel

[subtle field]

okay 🙂

the ammount of flying in that dungeon is inasne

insane

[runic bough]

ok im done testing 38 haste kir

[vivid vessel]

time to test 39 !

[runic bough]

its the same

[vivid vessel]

ah sorry

time to test 40 !

[runic bough]

hmmm

[subtle field]

who needs vers. just only play haste mast

[runic bough]

nah lose too much crit

[vivid vessel]

hmm

time to test 37 !

[runic bough]

already a challenge to get this much haste

[latent belfry]

35% is perfect

[runic bough]

i miss gs for bosses

going to spec into gs instead of haste now

[latent belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-brule-orgasm-funny-chills-gif-8291454

27% crit 15 base haste

[vivid vessel]

?

you really do that everytime

[civic void]

Holy we are back to standard kir build in one day

[vivid vessel]

just

work your way back up

to the normal builds

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

try every dogshit build in existence you can try

and end up playing normal build

[runic bough]

why cant i have some fun huh

[vivid vessel]

you really are something ryuk

[runic bough]

WHY CANT I HAVE FUN HUH

[latent belfry]

naw personally oh as been the best for me in aoe

[runic bough]

well

at least i try stuffs

the haste build was fun

lust is like instant ks

was fun

not a burden

aoe pumps just like regular build

its just a bigger loss in single target

[proven ocean]

@random stirrup how do i hide blocked msg's again

this is getting out of hand

[runic bough]

ive completed x4 15's now

[proven ocean]

ah betterdiscord

brb

[runic bough]

my workshop got fucked

its one of the easy keys

rip

[latent belfry]

was it the first pull

[runic bough]

yes and even the corner pull ppl cant skip it yet when every key does it at all levels

[proven ocean]

oh chat looks way cleaner without the blocked ass msg's

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i highly recommend

[vivid vessel]

[strong wraith]

Zac, where KS remake

[vivid vessel]

[strong wraith]

😦

He failed us

[random stirrup]

its kinda dumb that the block function does nothing baseline since its impossible to resist clicking show message

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/illidan-world-of-warcraft-twerk-illidan-dance-gif-23452811

[proven ocean]

Well i dont see it now so

[ember goblet]

Hero track seaforium or Myth track remnant of darkness?

Sims tell me darkness but feel may be a sim trap

[ripe ibex]

why would you feel that way

darkness outsims seaforium even both at mythic for me

[ember goblet]

Darkness seems good to an extent maybe a play with outlaws play

[ripe ibex]

i would trust the sims but you could run some mdt sims if you want to be sure

[ember goblet]

mdt?

[ripe ibex]

https://wago.io/Yya4XBbl-

[red zinc]

do we still mass report the idiots with the whole "give me a reason to invite you in note" groups or are they succesfully evading tos breaks

[ripe ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gAkDsTXtstCWmGuFHoqe4U

[runic bough]

so

um

[sharp sand]

What do yall typically pull overall in say a 13 or 14 key

hO

[runic bough]

just go look in this channel #1184888068264689756

[sharp sand]

I see you are HO with 19 haste. I have 17. Is it worth trying to get more thnx

[runic bough]

no

im special