#outlaw

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frail veldt
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or pulling around 2 mins vs 1.5 mins

white marten
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For sure

runic bough
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Yes outlaw is our favorite spec and the hardest to learn but if ks is not removed next season I'm rerolling again

white marten
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Frost mage kinda fits that too lowkey

frail veldt
frail veldt
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or low cd spec

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like ret tbh

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ret can kinda just go with the flow

white marten
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I should try frost mage

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Havent played ranged dps in forever

frail veldt
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its aite

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its not every interesting min max wise

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like rotationally

runic bough
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Also since outlaw is hardest to learn, other specs should be easier theoretically to learn.

keen belfry
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I know guy hates this outlook but I have an elitist outlook towards outlaw the spec and its players. The top outlaws are absolute gamers

frail veldt
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I think that way of a few specs

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I actually include mage there

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while a lot of mages are bad

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the best mages are some of the best players in wow

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the skill cap of that spec is enormous

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also tbh tank is similar, while tanks arent necessarily mechanically hard to play. A good tank is SOOOOO much different from a bad tank

white marten
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yeah its rare to find good pug mages

keen belfry
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I just am biased because I consider myself a very good mage, and I think that’s because the average mage is bad. Even at the higher end. So I think that spec is relatively easy, when I compare it to outlaw and it’s population

frail veldt
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I think that could be just a barrier to entry thing

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most outlaws are hard outlaw mains who can make the spec work for themselves

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if you cant make outlaw work you usually just leave lol

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mage gets the privilege of being "in meta" and having hero/raid buff so even as a subpar mage you can stay valuable just by existing

white marten
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What exactly do people find difficult about outlaw? I would say its similar to a fire mages combust, or hot hands for enh sham.

frail veldt
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so you get a lot of sub par mages that live on out of necessity in groups

cinder relic
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People are just so up their own ass about difficulty

keen belfry
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Yeah, I just think I’m as good at enhance/mage as I am outlaw relative to top of the spec, with like 1/8th of the time on it

cinder relic
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Thats my issue with talks of difficulty

frail veldt
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also people definitely do find some things more difficult than others

cinder relic
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Because a lot of these convos of difficulty is to have this heir of smugness about "well why is outlaw, the most difficult spec ever not overtuned every tier"

white marten
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We all rolling mage now. The most difficult spec

keen belfry
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Yeah I don’t think it should be overtuned

runic bough
frail veldt
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I think people should def branch out and try other specs

cinder relic
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I mean ppl say sub is hard and sub is literally stupid easy

keen belfry
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I think flat dmg profiles are hard to turn tho

frail veldt
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to get perspective

keen belfry
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Yeah wow players are weird guy

frail veldt
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and do piss damage

white marten
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Sub is hard is a hell of a stretch

keen belfry
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I am one of them players that does think wow isn’t an individually challenging game 99% of the time

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Skill parity is the biggest issue in wow

cinder relic
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Sub is hard in the sense that if u have no idea what ur doing u dont deal damage

frail veldt
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like how zeross talks about how "hard" assa is cuz there technically is a high skill cap to assa

cinder relic
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but sub has like 5 rules

frail veldt
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but assa even when played VERY poorly can do good damage

cinder relic
frail veldt
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so defining "easy" in terms of effort to reward can be misleading

cinder relic
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I wrote this like, start of expac about sub and how often questions would arise

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This is literally 98% of sub

frail veldt
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when I was learning sub

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there were so many times

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I would do my burst rotation

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and realize I forgot to flag

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lololol

white marten
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The most difficult part of wow is Raiding without addons

sharp hinge
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rewarding for outlaw is not pressing KS almost at all in keys

white marten
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Hitting KS on CD 6x in a row without risking your life is one of the most rewarding experiences in life

dire stump
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from a new player perspective, ive found that the "difficulty" of outlaw kinda falls into the prep needed for dmg to ramp up.

Think about it: you go into Stealth > Ghost Strike > Adrena rush > RTB > Between the eyes > pray it full loads combo > killing spree > hope for opportunity pistol shot > spam ambush > etc etc.

A lot of the dmg is RNG. you literally roll a set of dice for christ's sake.

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but again, im really new and dont know all the ins and outs of the class/spec.

runic bough
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Rng is another reason I want to reroll

dire stump
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so my pov is very limited and i know the vets probably dont agree- im just saying from a dude that just hit lvl 70 yesterday - this is what im seeing.

sharp hinge
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outlaw is one of the few specs you just send it, and not really worry about cds

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unless its KS

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KS can fuck all the way off

frail veldt
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the people who ive heard say outlaw is "easy" usually point that out

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outlaw requires very very little meta planning

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I dont need to know the route

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or the pull size

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or anything

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I just do my rotation

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brain off

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lock in

white marten
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Outlaw is very comfortable. Thats why i love it

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Swiss army knife

frail veldt
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its micro difficulty not meta difficulty

bright crane
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There’s really only 2 things that impact ol dps

sharp hinge
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the only thing that makes it "hard" is the fast apm. other than that ive found the rest to be simple

cinder relic
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I mean outlaw is on the harder end of things

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I think it's inarguable

bright crane
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Your vibes and your mog

cinder relic
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It's just convos of a spec being hard aren't about "how hard is a spec" it's always getting at something deeper

sharp hinge
frail veldt
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and outlaw does completely circumvent at least a few challenging parts of the game

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1 being defensive use

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and 2 being cooldown planning

random stirrup
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and sub is also easy

dire stump
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the dopamine release on the class has been the RNG. its the best and worst feature of the class spec imo.

frail veldt
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I hear ferals really hard rn

random stirrup
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the hard part of sub in raid is planning how to use your cds to pad

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since charge based

sharp hinge
frail veldt
random stirrup
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but if you just lorrgs it up and skip the planning sub is piss easy

frail veldt
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the snapshotting honesty sounds really tedious/difficult to play around

west dirge
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
dire stump
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firing BTE and hearing it gun cock signaling you have full combo again is insanely fun. hitting opportunity pistol shot, then 1 follow up ambush and getting full combo points is dopamine release

frail veldt
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and the range of feral performance kinda seems evident to it being a difficult spec

bright crane
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Isn’t it a pretty slow spec?

frail veldt
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thats not really relevant

cinder relic
frail veldt
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I think one of the easiest ways to see if a spec is challenging is to observe the difference in performance of a good vs bad player. Though obv selection bias impacts this, its a decent way to view it

frail veldt
sharp hinge
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surv is easy

runic bough
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I dont get dopamine from outlaw because my dmg is always lower than I think the effort is to get there.

frail veldt
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feral does have die hards for sure

sharp hinge
frail veldt
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LOL someone always makes that joke

keen belfry
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And when I talk about difficulty, I mean maximizing a spec

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Not being good at it

magic shuttle
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How original

frail veldt
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I think both parts matter

keen belfry
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I bet it is

frail veldt
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1 is skill cap, but 2 is skill floor

sharp hinge
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hard is subjective

frail veldt
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both are relevant in difficulty

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imo

red zinc
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things can be objectively hard

magic shuttle
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I think ret paladins have quite a ceilling

keen belfry
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I think every spec in the game is probably harder to be good good at than I think it is, but I think a lot fo specs don’t go much higher than that

frail veldt
dire stump
frail veldt
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but im not sure that excludes objective

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thats too semantic for me lol

red zinc
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..

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aight

magic shuttle
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Like once in a while I will do keys with a ret pala and notice how much they kick ass compared to average pugs

keen belfry
red zinc
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the only ceiling ret palas got is the one they're licking

craggy barn
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idk using their sac properly is pretty good ceiling

frail veldt
craggy barn
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feels pretty good to get sacd by a pally during a one shot KS

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pepw

lime lake
magic shuttle
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There's utility and also propely utilising the capability of using your abilities from range

keen belfry
lime lake
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People absolutely are not guaranteed to hit thr floor

magic shuttle
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I think most ret palas never utilise their hybrid melee/ranged dps capabilities properly

runic bough
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I think pallies who can spot when to use lay on hands are good players

small bone
runic bough
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Outlaw apm

lime lake
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Many many mole people

rotund pulsar
runic bough
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U need outlaw apm to use lay on hands to actually save someone

red zinc
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ryu your brain doesnt even have that kind of apm let alone your hands

keen belfry
lime lake
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Brother that's the majority of the game

keen belfry
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It’s hard to judge the wow players fairly

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Yeah I agree

craggy barn
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ryu just needss to cook more

keen belfry
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Majority of the players cook up their own talents, I don’t think they are fair test subjects

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They will make BM a hard spec

rotund pulsar
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what

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majority are not in 3-4's

lime lake
rotund pulsar
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proof?

lime lake
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I mean if you expect wow to be different than literally every other game and mmo in existence

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Then sure

runic bough
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I think climbing this season has given me some more skill its my first time higher than mythic vault levels

lime lake
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But the percentage of players who actively look up how to play games is always a minority

rotund pulsar
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feel like that's changed with time

next wedge
rotund pulsar
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but you're still probs right

lime lake
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It's certainly increased with time for sure

next wedge
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i dont think marjoity is in 3-4s

paper pumice
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Is KIR better in m+ or is HO on par?

red zinc
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NA title garf

leaden folio
next wedge
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its legit 50 points higher in eu

runic bough
rotund pulsar
lime lake
runic bough
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KiR is just better because u can have 1 minute buffs sometimes

lime lake
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I have no idea how many people do which key levels

paper pumice
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But damage output pretty similar?

runic bough
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Ye

paper pumice
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I see top outlaws play both

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Kk so just go with preference

frail veldt
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but its a lot more effort and is only better if played well

frail veldt
keen belfry
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Mewo would I do more dmg as ho

frail veldt
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you should see what our lfg looks like if you search 17-19

frail veldt
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I wonder that myself

keen belfry
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Idk how good I am at current outlaw

white marten
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Very good, surely

frail veldt
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I cant tell cuz Ive been raiding with like 6% less aura buff so im barely parsing purple/low orange

paper pumice
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I am just holding my Cartel chip cause I have gallywix mace in hero, is it really worth swapping to dino? Or shall I go for myth Pace

runic bough
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Awang is Zac tier

red zinc
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if you're even somewhat good at kir you instantly lose all ability to play ho

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you're too far gone sorry bud

keen belfry
daring oxide
runic bough
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Awang don't downplay yourself

hybrid crown
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I started playing KIR and I get it now

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The lows are lower but they don't happen even a fraction as often as ho

novel socket
red zinc
runic bough
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Awang and Timmy are similar overalls as Zac

red zinc
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thats not true in any way lmao

runic bough
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They are top outlaws imo

daring oxide
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Timmy > Zac tbh

red zinc
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dogwoofwoof > zac

grave carbon
red zinc
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idk about this timmy guy

runic bough
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U guys are getting 5-6mil overalls every key

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That is top outlaw rn

frail veldt
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thats a lot of outlaws

lime lake
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Pretty sure Timmy is the best outlaw player to exist

daring oxide
red zinc
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im literally missing 800-900k dps on most keys still

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pipe down

daring oxide
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Timmy is too modest

runic bough
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Awang is too humble to admit he's good player

lime lake
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What a hero

daring oxide
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Timmy purposely uses 500ilvl weapons to not show us up

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and still does 6mil dps overall

keen belfry
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Vai and Zac would gap me

daring oxide
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nah

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im washed up

lime lake
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thats hot

runic bough
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Vai and loktark are also top outlaws

daring oxide
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nah

red zinc
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i would gap vurai after installing the tracker

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no cap

daring oxide
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im just mental illness

daring oxide
lime lake
daring oxide
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i dont even look at it anymore

runic bough
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Max was Zac level but he quit with trolololspree

keen belfry
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I still press ss at 2 cp with bs up

daring oxide
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i mean thats normal

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i do as well

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sometimes u just cant catch the right situation

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and send the wrong builder

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but id rather send the wrong builder

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than use finisher badly

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its hard

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so fast

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you look away for a second at like a coin on OAB for example so u dont get stunned and u might miss something, it happens

keen belfry
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Perfect play doesn’t really exist on law

daring oxide
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i think so

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i really agree

keen belfry
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Probably not possible in real world

daring oxide
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as long as you play well

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you'll be pretty almost optimal

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like sometimes i accidentally use a builder even at max cps

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sometimes i zone out and dont notice my cps

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need to be like zeross

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munching on caffeine pills

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to be constantly alert

runic bough
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I play better on coffee also

keen belfry
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I need to be more like zeross

daring oxide
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best thing to do though

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as a 2 day a week raider

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is to look at Zac's logs

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and steal his strats

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then beat him

runic bough
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The best moments are when you kind of just glance at your wa and focus on mechanics to not get hit by a single mech. Those are great.

keen belfry
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Also vanish is too good of a button to use optimally for dmg in m+

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If I have to choose between vanish the light spawn suck or pressing KS I’m pressing vanish

daring oxide
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i think vanish is always good value to just send in aoe

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especially when playing deft KIR

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cos deft literally free finisher

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imo anyways

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i just hold vanish if pack is dying

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so i can sustain adr better next pull

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but sometimes doesn't matter

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if u got 6 buffs

keen belfry
daring oxide
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well it depends on adr duration

keen belfry
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I’m learning lately that doing this can lead to sitting on 2

daring oxide
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if its dropping i always send vanish to preserve it

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especially if adr cd is high

daring oxide
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but like happy to save 1 charge

keen belfry
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I noticed I sometimes sit on vanish at end of pull and it leads to weird next pull

daring oxide
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well with good luck (back to back crackshots ace procs)

keen belfry
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With KS, coup, restealth etc

daring oxide
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it sometimes feels good to get 2 charges of vanish back

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it just means ur adr uptime gonna be really healthy

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for a good min or two

runic bough
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I wonder what kir feel like woth 30% haste

keen belfry
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are u vanishing here vai? i didnt and shouldve

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runic bough
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I like your ui awang

keen belfry
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zac inspo

runic bough
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Is that zacs

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Ye

daring oxide
keen belfry
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i took his rtb and combo point then made my own, ever since df s3 i started making my own

daring oxide
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yeah i also use parts of zac's ui too

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i mean why wouldn't you

keen belfry
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felt bad

daring oxide
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personally

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sounds like pumper next pack

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but that also depends on your RTB luck

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did you get good buffs quickly?

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cos i can see there ur KIR was almost ready too

keen belfry
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ye that was a early 5 buff

daring oxide
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i find that the lows i get is always due to bad luck with RTB

keen belfry
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yeah same

daring oxide
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like if i have to smash RTB back to back constantly

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1-2 buffs for 10 rolls in a row

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fucking make a me mads

keen belfry
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i think i underestime ace procs too

daring oxide
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and no Cto procs

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no cto procs

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no ss procs

keen belfry
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like when u have bad rolls and then your vanish window is like, bte, ps ps bte, ss ss

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itus gg

daring oxide
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fucking feel dry like gobi desert

daring oxide
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most awful

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only getting 1-2 BTEs in subt

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thats why sometimes i really appreciate Deft

keen belfry
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i had a moment where i had 2 minutes left on adr cdr after my only vanish was used

daring oxide
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lets me get 2-3 btes in subt even in the worst possible luck

keen belfry
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idk what happened there

runic bough
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Do u guys just finish with dispatch IF no rp?

daring oxide
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I try to vanish when I can have BF off cd ready for deft

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to build quickly

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i find it helps maximise your chances of having a better crackshot window

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especially if you hit a low roll

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but probably not optimal

keen belfry
daring oxide
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this is purely me feelycrafting

runic bough
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I get tired of some bte windows with no energy. Even with adr.

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One or two bte only, such a wasted window

daring oxide
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no energy issues as KIR

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finishers are cheap as chips

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so much free cps and energy

frail veldt
frail veldt
frail veldt
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then you do a boss with 1pt fth

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and youre playing the most punishing version fo outlaw to ever exist

daring oxide
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for me 1fth on bosses is only really bad if u low roll

frail veldt
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its SOSOOSOSO bad if you lowroll haha

daring oxide
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most of the time u'll probably managed well with 5 natty plus cto fishing 6 buffs KIR and blasting boss

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or

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tank will pull something onto boss?

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not sure

daring oxide
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just gotta keep sending rtb until u hit lottery

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sc helps mitigate it somewhat

pure folio
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I’m pretty sure I got told to not do that

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Even tho it feels so nice..

runic bough
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Wait u press bte even without rp out of stealth?

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Why not dispatch for cto

gaunt phoenix
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it seems only fatebound coins tend to swing dispatch over bte, otherwise it doesnt matter

random stirrup
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Bte ace proc outside of crackshot cumby

late swallow
keen belfry
frail veldt
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yeah 3rd boss dfc fo rme

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awful awful awful boss

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negative damagfe

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esp if tank isnt moving

bright crane
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Dude

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Omfg

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That is legit the most irritating thing

vagrant island
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Is the Cursed Nightfall blade no longer relevant? Or did they nerf it? Or does sims not work properly?
I lose 1.7% in dungeonslice and 2.4% on Patchwerk (5 min).
I have 681 equipped with 681 crafted MH and HC Capo in off-hand.

Just wether i should spend time getting the dagger

bright crane
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And add on top of that ranged who won’t go get the furthest statues

bright crane
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I think you’re confusing it with Cudgel

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Which is still very much relevant

vagrant island
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This 658 offhand from the Nightfall event is suspected to be BiS in keys though only by a percent or two.

[...] The weapon is uniquely strong on Outlaw because we can Vanish to reset the proc, and we Vanish every 17 seconds or so. The proc does not reset on bosses.

From stickied post 23 days ago

bright crane
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Yeah

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That’s Cudgel

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The 1h mace

vagrant island
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fuck me. I should learn how to read.... thank you!

bright crane
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Np

valid kindle
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also it is pretty bad st, so patchwerk it'll sim low, hence why having a macro is important

keen belfry
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cooked or cooking guild

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red zinc
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so 10t patchwerk looks bad

valid kindle
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yeah will only proc once

sweet iron
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do you always use cudgel when it can reset on single trash mobs? like on a top miniboss or the mechagon tank or is st weap better

random stirrup
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Technically you can freely swap it during killing spree

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So u could keep swapping it if you want

strong cargo
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It cost a gcd so in fight i don't think switching several times is a good thing

frail veldt
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so if you know a pack is gona be < 3 mobs, a myth offhand will beat cudgel

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but most people dont bother with that level of minmax I dont think

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I've put it on for fighting bubbles

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cuz fuck bubbles

hybrid crown
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Wait can you swap to your other weapon and back to the cudgel during ks

random stirrup
hybrid crown
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Is that like another free proc similar to vanish

violet ferry
sweet iron
vivid vessel
frail veldt
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unless it is

violet ferry
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true enlightenment

frail veldt
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but p sure its not

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cuz then literally spam swapping cudgel would be a dps increase

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which would be very fried

leaden folio
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don't judge forum post until you are a good player of world of warcraft (10k+ hf point)

hybrid crown
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yeah you can barely swap twice with KS and it does not trigger an extra proc

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any amount of haste and the swap back doesnt happen in time

sharp hinge
vagrant island
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Is wax still a thing? Or do we just use whetstones?

strong cargo
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On st yes

gaunt phoenix
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Haven't really checked

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Probably still about the same as whetstone on st

sharp hinge
scenic iris
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
shy sandal
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is HO + trick still best for m+?

sharp hinge
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no

shy sandal
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oh

sharp hinge
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Kir is technically better with higher keys

shy sandal
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how much of a diff is there

sharp hinge
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not sure

shy sandal
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roughly

vale warren
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not much really afaik

harsh forge
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KIR performs a couple % better in bigger pulls but slightly worse on bosses

shy sandal
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sooo its whatver if i dont switch?

vale warren
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yeah it basically doesnt matter

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play what's fun

strong cargo
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Both builds are good and viable yes

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A well played kir can be a bit ahead

harsh forge
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i prefer KIR bc i forget to reup bf in HO

white marten
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U shouldnt need to very often

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Rarely even.

frail veldt
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I think BF duration is 15 minutes

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even when frozen

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and thats if you were keeping 100% adr uptime

runic bough
hidden bay
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lol

prisma heron
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How come the rotation guide in wowhead says to do finishers at 6 pts or higher but streamers and high key YT videos are just sending at 5 even outside of subterfuge?

violet ferry
chilly pebble
cinder relic
violet ferry
runic bough
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Yeah I just send everything at 5

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Unless I land on higher

gaunt phoenix
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careful with that

violet ferry
gaunt phoenix
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can make you lose a coup into vanish

violet ferry
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sadge

chilly pebble
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i feel like im only ever at 5 if bte lands there

runic bough
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How would you lose a coup?

gaunt phoenix
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if escalating blade is at 3, unseen blade is ready

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and vanish is ready or nearly ready

runic bough
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So that's when we decide to cast vanish or use coup then

gaunt phoenix
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If you finish at 5 early it could have been an ss into coup

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into vanish

runic bough
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Hmm

chilly pebble
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does coup have prio over bte?

gaunt phoenix
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outside of stealth ye

chilly pebble
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ah well thats not alot of time

sharp sand
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Solo is pro

gaunt phoenix
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yes

cinder relic
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Do we have a weakaura similar to warriors with execute for vanish?

gaunt phoenix
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wdym

frail veldt
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what does warrior execute weakaura do

vivid vessel
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@glass mortar

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thoughts ?

frail veldt
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what

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the actual

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fuck

violet ferry
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small indie company

vivid vessel
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its new from this season i think btw

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i dont remember sideways aoe before

frail veldt
vivid vessel
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but this seaosn it happens

frail veldt
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one of them is sideways

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its on an angle

vivid vessel
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ye

glass grove
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coulda lived

vivid vessel
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i mean

#

i didnt see it

#

till super late

#

xd

#

you see me a lil move right

#

was too late

frail veldt
#

thats kind of ridiculous

#

blizzard needs to stop putting objects with geometry in dungeon fight areas

#

like the fucking table on last boss of meadery

#

INSANELY toxic

vivid vessel
#

ye honestly

#

like why ?

#

is it even

wanton parcel
#

Wow just needs to be remade on a new engine

vivid vessel
#

actual geometry

#

like you could have all these things be 3d

#

but without hitbox

wanton parcel
#

This engine is cooked

vivid vessel
#

why do they have to all have hitboxes

#

and then its mega shit

frail veldt
#

yeeeeeup

#

idk

#

its super tilting

runic bough
#

Well

#

Maybe if we made a fundraiser to buy the rights to wow.

#

We could actually hire a bug fixing team and design department.

frail veldt
#

ryu

#

you could not run blizzard better than blizzard

red zinc
#

every time i see this man speak i pray for his sake that its a character

frail veldt
#

lolol

runic bough
#

Are you kidding me

frail veldt
#

me or timmy

thorny spruce
#

Wait he’s sub now?

#

Ryu how do you enter the kitchen and always come out with burnt meals

runic bough
#

The ignoring of bugs doesn't make it obvious there is no team that actively looks for them or what?

frail veldt
#

its called priorities

runic bough
#

Blind

frail veldt
#

its a for profit company

#

if fixing things is a lower roi or is less of a blocker than other work

runic bough
#

I've heard enough

frail veldt
#

then it gets pushed lower in priority

#

youve clearly never worked in tech lol

#

Im not saying its the correct thing to do

#

but its very very easy to explain

#

welcome to capitalism

cinder relic
#

I don't think you understand how the concept of "time management" works

frail veldt
#

they may be working on stuff for future expansions

#

or future raids/dungeons

#

stuff that is required for other teams to move forward

random stirrup
#

fix subterfuge bug (stated by realz to be extremely difficult to do) for the 5 outlaw players or put out player housing that 80 bajillion casuals will enjoy hmmge

frail veldt
#

managing blockers and scheduling work so that a company can operate as efficiently as possible is insanely nuanced

runic bough
#

Cast vanish

frail veldt
#

subterfuge bugs werent blocking any other work from being done

#

so they are inherently low prio

#

esp when they exist on the least popular spec in the game

random stirrup
#

and they did it anyway!

frail veldt
#

and they still did it yeah

cinder relic
#

Ret has bugs that aren't fixed

frail veldt
#

eventually

cinder relic
#

Lol

#

So I mean

frail veldt
#

exactly

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Im sure they are stretched thin

random stirrup
#

and i am happy every time I play outlaw

#

that I can restealth early

runic bough
#

You guys are acting like it's a small indy company but it really is.

frail veldt
#

now if you want to argue that blizz is a company run by greedy dirtbags who refuse to increase headcount and instead would rather overwork their devs

cinder relic
#

Shit like "random spec bugs" no matter how popular, or unpopular the spec is, is generally a low prio fix

frail veldt
#

then we can discuss something

cinder relic
#

It's not about being an "indie company" or not

frail veldt
#

cuz I would agree with that

cinder relic
#

Devs don't have time to spend infinite man hours fixing random bugs

#

U also don't understand how game development works in general

#

The team that works on wow is different from the team that works on hearthstone, that works on cod, that works on diablo

#

The corporation blizzard being worth x value doesn't mean each department at blizzard is given infinite money to spend

glass mortar
#

Or most of it anyway

cinder relic
#

This also isn't even accounting for the concept of "too many cooks"

glass mortar
#

Just the direction it's gone

cinder relic
#

You can't just "buy more programmers to fix more bugs"

glass mortar
#

Can hardly even call out blizz for it

cinder relic
#

That's not how it works

late swallow
#

Lol

frail veldt
cinder relic
#

JUST BUY MORE SERVERS 4HEad

frail veldt
#

you can see this trend across many companies

#

who come out with a BANGER as their first game

late swallow
#

Insane how this convo is still happening

frail veldt
#

then they grow and get acquired

late swallow
#

I’m in a time loop

frail veldt
#

and they instead milk the fanbase

runic bough
#

I get what your saying but you guys ignore my statement that there is no small team to just look for and fix bugs.

frail veldt
#

brother

#

then why did subt get fixed

#

you think a fucking code fairy showed up

#

and shit out the merge request

#

what are you even saying

#

use your brain for like 3 seconds

runic bough
#

You can't say subt bug fix is an example when it lasted years.

frail veldt
#

I literally can

#

it is an example

runic bough
#

Nope

frail veldt
#

that they DO HAVE DEVS

#

there might not be as many as you want

#

they might not work as fast as you want

#

or work on the stuff that you want

#

but they exist

#

obviously

#

what a fucking insane statement to make

#

"there is no team to fix bugs"

runic bough
#

We pay for this game why should it continue to low priority bug fixes?

late swallow
#

Mewo why are you so committed to this bro

#

Just tab out bro

frail veldt
#

because their goal is maximizing profits

late swallow
#

I’m worried about brother mewo

frail veldt
#

and our desire is the highest quality product

runic bough
#

Hmmm

frail veldt
#

and those two things

#

ARENT ALIGNED

#

WELCOME TO LATE STAGE CAPITALISM

#

WAKE UP

random stirrup
runic bough
#

I get it corruption yes.

frail veldt
#

its not fucking corruption bro

#

theres no conspiracy

runic bough
#

But we could advocate for a small bug and fix team.

frail veldt
#

cba

#

I did my best

#

someone else take over

#

tag me out

runic bough
#

Its fine

#

Moving on

timber knoll
#

Mfs talking BUG this BUG that why don’t yall Be an Upstanding Gentleman and get a job

frail veldt
#

LOL

#

yeah ryu

#

be the change you want to see in the world

#

learn to code

#

apply to blizz

late swallow
runic bough
#

Blizzard wouldn't hire me looking at my chat history

frail veldt
#

ive genuinely thought about that lolol

#

if I ever did apply to blizz

runic bough
frail veldt
#

im honestly not sure id pass a chat log audit

random stirrup
#

theres just no chance they're auditing ravenholdt bro

late swallow
#

The HR blizz rep pulling up my gooning messages

random stirrup
#

unless u mean in wow chat

frail veldt
#

wow chat yeah

#

ive been chat banned once

runic bough
#

I don't agree with the blizzard staff at all

late swallow
#

I’ve never been chat banned

frail veldt
#

nothing awful

random stirrup
#

you think the company famous for drinking breast milk is going to care about a chat ban?

frail veldt
#

just like telling someone they suck etc

frail veldt
#

have you seen the hair colors on the teams lately

#

Id be a little scared

late swallow
runic bough
#

They are all woke so get prepared for judgdment everyday

proven ocean
#

not bad

image.png
frail veldt
#

a chat log audit is kind of just a tough one lol like if every job you applied for was allowed to read what youve said online

proven ocean
#

im happy for echo

frail veldt
#

thatd be brutal

late swallow
#

I met blizz’s general counsel at a work trip a few years back

frail veldt
#

howd that go

late swallow
#

Team deffo has the vibe that you’re describing

#

But pretty chill otherwise

proven ocean
#

we finally fucking timed 20 priory

#

holy shit

#

that key was hell

frail veldt
#

I mean im from california and went to UC santa cruz so im definitely not uncomfortable in that situation

random stirrup
runic bough
#

Grats zeross

random stirrup
#

I know from looking at some cybersec stuff they can see pretty much everything

frail veldt
#

if you have dumb pics on your facebook of you at parties and shit

random stirrup
#

like you can see all accounts linked to an email

frail veldt
#

you can get denied

late swallow
#

Haven’t had social media for like 7 years now

random stirrup
#

not that blizzard would care

late swallow
#

Deleted everything

frail veldt
#

but game chat isnt public afaik

late swallow
#

Social media is honestly such a waste of your time

#

Unless you’re building a business

runic bough
#

Motherlode easiest key this season confirmed

late swallow
#

Idk man

frail veldt
#

I only use disc now but discord servers like this are public which means the chat can be accessed

random stirrup
#

nothing is linked to my professional email Shrug

frail veldt
#

yeaaaah but youd be surprised

runic bough
#

Can I get a hell yeah in chat

glass mortar
frail veldt
#

they have a link from your personal email when you applied to your work email im sure

glass mortar
#

🫡

random stirrup
#

I meant my personal email

#

i only use for important stuff

late swallow
#

Nothing on this disc has any personal info of mine

random stirrup
#

all gaming and related things i use other emails

runic bough
#

Somnius is in my guild as a dk he doesn't even play rogue

late swallow
#

Imposter

rotund pulsar
#

how much of a damage loss is not pressing ks?

#

let's say like on sprocket

frail veldt
#

iirc

#

not pressing it at all

random stirrup
#

play fatebound on sprocket

late swallow
rotund pulsar
runic bough
#

I am going to start sprocket next week

#

I'm scared my guild had trouble on stix

random stirrup
#

imo sprocket has a lot less personal responsibility than stix

#

might find it easier

runic bough
#

Hope so

random stirrup
#

you kind of need most people to know how to do balls on stix, can get away with maybe 10 people being competent bomb doers on sprocket

late swallow
#

Ross stream titles are goated

runic bough
#

I rolled around a crab and said HEY GUYS IM DRIFTING

#

and hit the wipe bomb saving the raid

#

Wish I was streaming it

red zinc
#

aw hell naw

image.png
stiff glade
#

That DH is trying to play for the other team

runic bough
#

Yeah isn't dh not counted as melee lol

#

I played dh and I consider them a magic caster

#

Felt nothing like a melee

random stirrup
runic bough
#

Besides being in melee range

red zinc
#

stay 40 yds away from me

cinder relic
vale warren
runic bough
#

Carpets no

#

I remember karazhan tho

frail veldt
runic bough
#

One of the OG raids

frail veldt
#

that would just hide the swirlies entirely

#

LOL

runic bough
#

Chess event was fun

#

They don't do stuff like that anymore

cinder relic
#

You mean like stix?

vale warren
violet ferry
#

!key

#

!prekey

ornate heathBOT
#

Pre-key fuckery

  • rtb RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
  • DO NOT rtb RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not adr AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
  • After the bubble drops use rtb RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
  • Before entering the first pack bf BF into stealth Stealth.
  • Open on pack with adr AR into bte BtE.
proven ocean
subtle field
#

for mechagon you just send cloak + ks on first pull, right? or is it phys dam? the swirlies

dark fractal
#

its magic

frail veldt
#

and KS has an effective cd of like 20 seconds

subtle field
#

everything for the ks

proven ocean
#

@vivid vessel

vivid vessel
proven ocean
#

zac

#

ngl

#

timing keys this season

#

is so satisfying

vivid vessel
#

yes

proven ocean
#

cuz our comp is handicapped and we still manage to make it work kekcry

vivid vessel
#

thats just wow tho

#

i love off meta comps

proven ocean
#

ML 21 and DFC are so easy we just need to attempt them few times

#

maybe 1-2 times

#

glad we timed 20 priory before yoda's team

#

kinda feels like an achievement

vivid vessel
proven ocean
random stirrup
#

one day we'll see zac + zeross outlaw dps race again

proven ocean
#

prob never

#

this is my last season where i play too hard

vivid vessel
#

stfu

#

we go next season again

random stirrup
#

wow players and saying they'll quit

#

name a better duo

proven ocean
#

nah

#

i get a job soon

#

so

#

ye

vivid vessel
#

i have a job

#

you can play wow with a job cuh

proven ocean
#

not rly

#

unless we play super early

#

thats never gonna happen

#

cuz

#

now its 3:24 am

#

my time

#

xdd ?

vivid vessel
#

its 1 am my time so

proven ocean
#

im never staying awake for that long

vivid vessel
#

we arent that far off

#

also you just play weekends mostly

#

thats what i do aswell

#

most of the times

proven ocean
#

wdym i play everyday

#

jobless atm

vivid vessel
#

cause you are cooked

proven ocean
vivid vessel
#

i barely play during weekdays

#

zeross

#

i want 4k io

#

its a cool number

proven ocean
#

ye we'll get 4k

vivid vessel
#

4k is all 21s i think

proven ocean
#

with belt only tho

vivid vessel
#

its prolly possible

proven ocean
#

we need belt and yea

vivid vessel
proven ocean
#

we can time all those keys today

#

so

#

ye

#

im not worried

#

at all

vivid vessel
#

it might be doable

proven ocean
#

its just a matter of time

vivid vessel
#

with 22 ml and dfc

proven ocean
#

cuz our comp times keys slower

#

than them

vivid vessel
proven ocean
#

its so much easier to time keys with a meta comp + voice

#

we're off meta + no voice

#

btw

#

correct me if im wrong but

#

every other melee comp is using voice

#

except us

#

same with meta comps

#

we might be r1 team no voice

#

i dont think theres many ppl that are no voice anyway

vivid vessel
#

prolly

#

no voice is stupid

#

i love it tho

proven ocean
#

ya

#

@vivid vessel ngl tho

#

meld makes sin viable in living

#

maghar u got like

#

legit nothing

subtle field
#

does anyone know about that orb bug in workshop where the orbs are lagging, when the boss is doing the pull mechanic? cause it just bricked our key :C

desert tendon
#

pikaboo take

#

m+ers should lose rating, not key level. Like in pvp

subtle field
#

but wouldnt you just gain it all back if you time it?

proven ocean
runic bough
#

With current pug system nobody would be high score except teams

subtle field
#

making it kinda irrelevant?

runic bough
#

Pugs fail most of the time so

#

No rating gg

proven ocean
#

ur cooked if u think its a season issue

#

that u arent doing high keys

subtle field
#

i mean you can just run the key forever and just gain the rating back

proven ocean
#

ur cooked all the time anyway

vivid vessel
#

This season is so cool !

proven ocean
#

so im not surprised

vivid vessel
#

So many cool specs viable

subtle field
runic bough
#

This my first time doing climbing

#

I still think the pug system makes it half the battle

subtle field
#

I honestly dont really have any issues getting into pugs atm

runic bough
#

Its not just getting into one

subtle field
#

just finishing my 17s and im mostly just playing with a phys comp of some sort

runic bough
#

There are griefers

#

And if they don't say anything you can't block them

desert tendon
#

:) :) :)

#

just people are legit dogs eating their poop and wanting the same comp over and over cause they saw it on TV

#

anyway

vivid vessel
desert tendon
#

this is still an issue to me, which is not only blizzard fault, or players fault. It s both

vivid vessel
#

was also dogshit

#

but thats aug fault no cap

desert tendon
#

s1

#

was 2 dps spec locked

#

still had choice for the 3rd

vivid vessel
#

ok well

#

thats not much of a choice is it

#

what does it look like for this season censi

#

you have the graph or

runic bough
#

Cenci should rename to Census

desert tendon
#

this season

#

zac

#

week by week

sweet iron
desert tendon
#

wanna see this current week in detail maybe?

vivid vessel
#

well

#

idk

desert tendon
vivid vessel
#

this season feel different

desert tendon
#

this is this week data

subtle field
#

we had a perfect run as well. 0 deaths up until then

vivid vessel
#

i think its mostly just cause no aug

desert tendon
#

u kno

#

i think it s because no aug

#

AND

#

because mdi is taking so long

subtle field
#

no aug now actually makes it possible to join a pug

desert tendon
#

they re not playing live

#

and they re not streaming that much i think

#

so people dont know

#

like

#

this season mdi is 5 weeks long

#

wtf is that

subtle field
#

its not mdi, its basically TGP

#

afaik

desert tendon
#

5 weeks long tournament, must be winning at least 750k for the winning team

#

yea

#

mdi

#

tgp

#

same shit

#

there were MDI and MDI TGP, but since they get rid of MDI they decided to rename MDI TGP to MDI

subtle field
vivid vessel
#

bro mdi is fucking wild

desert tendon
#

but anyway

vivid vessel
#

like

#

how do they just

desert tendon
#

it was 3 weeks before

#

or 4 maybe

#

now it s 5

vivid vessel
#

have a 2 motnh tournament

desert tendon
#

super long

vivid vessel
#

its crazy

desert tendon
#

oh yea

subtle field
#

so is tgp just gone?

vivid vessel
#

no

#

mdi is gone

#

tgp is renamed to mdi

subtle field
#

lol

#

mdi was kinda cool ig

#

pretty fun to watch in s1

random stirrup
#

Idk I never liked mdi that much

#

Tgp was always more fun to watch

vivid vessel
#

ye

desert tendon
#

i think

#

tgp is cooler than mdi

#

but

#

all tier stats

#

available

#

is not relatable at all, which was the cool thing about tgp

#

so idk

vivid vessel
#

yep

#

i agree

#

having 20 % avoidance is silly

#

they do not need that to do higher keys than live also

#

idk why blizz did that

#

just feels like they are on easy mode for some reason

#

whiule they are the best players in the world

#

they dont need it

desert tendon
#

it s not they need it or not

#

it s about being relatable to

#

like yea u can t fully relate to a tourney game of league

#

BUT you get stuff and strats and stuff for some champions

#

u cant relate the teamplay but you can the single player skill

#

with 20% avoidance u just cant relate to them at all

#

idk i dont like it but wow deadgame if u ask me happy_holiday_pepe

gusty moon
#

!macro

ornate heathBOT
#

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

lost folio
#

why does my own killing spree kill me sometimes?

image.png
prisma heron
#

How come m+ rotation guide says to use finishers at 6 cp outside of subterfuge, but streamers and YT videos at high keys send at 5?

random stirrup
#

Cauldron beam?

random stirrup
civic void
#

iirc you finish at 5 if you have audacity/subt/opp procs

west ridge
#

@vivid vessel whats the french song you play on stream

#

the guy with the glasses

vivid vessel
#

That's a little vague

#

Charles Aznavour - emmenez moi

west ridge
#

nice ty

vivid vessel
#

Np

west ridge
#

cannot get it out of my head

vivid vessel
#

Banger right

west ridge
#

ye i dont understasnd anything but its a good song

vivid vessel
#

He got plenty of other bangers

random stirrup
#

It’s so funny to me how fast native French speakers talk

#

this guy sounds like Eminem to my shitty French

lyric escarp
#

what should i spend my dinars on if i want to M+ only?

west ridge
#

id suggest killing some bosses even on heroic

lyric escarp
#

i see knuckle in pins but is it just for raid ?

west ridge
#

no

#

some of these items are bis for m+ but you can only get them for raid

lyric escarp
#

im running nightfall curseblade atm

#

my main cant be a fist or dagger right

#

or should i run curseblade main and knuckle off

glass mortar
#

u cant have a dagger on mh

#

u should run ur biggest ilvl guy on ur mh

#

and on oh u should swap between cudgel on dungeon trash and either capo if its not ur strongest mh, or ur highest ilvl other weapon

lyric escarp
#

alrightt

#

thanks 🙂

sullen iris
#

btw did james make a comeback