outlaw

[vivid vessel]

pre written in a google doc actually

[vapid sundial]

I'd rather play ho but if I have to kir

Is what I'm Tryna figure out

So I can decide

What I want to do

[gaunt phoenix]

prob something with this

or the other one

slower

[vivid vessel]

cuase blizzard doesnt have the tech to slow down time

[vapid sundial]

My cat at 3am

[vivid vessel]

they slap multiplicators on buffs and shit

basically

[crisp condor]

Hmm I don't think so, it happened when I killed rexxar and the madness there was the CC clones. Unless using the wind totem thing insta applied the other one

[gaunt phoenix]

@fathom bramble cause you explain why even with blade flurry active, targeted rppm effects are still most likely to proc on the main target

i always forget why this happens

Is it just because BF hits being 0.00001s after the main hit means the the chances of rppm applying are basically zero

[vivid vessel]

but if you dont proc the first hit on main target

wouldnt the rppm chance go higher even

to the subsequent targets

[minor lantern]

smooth 14 priory, love this spec

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah that's where i get confused

[fathom bramble]

Yes

Time since last attempt becomes very low

So the chance is very low regardless of tine since last proc

[tribal egret]

which trinkets/talents u goin?

[gaunt phoenix]

this is just 1 iteration log https://www.raidbots.com/reports/djYnrGk1D6UhbkD2tPribB/output.txt

Main target was hit with gushing wounds 47 out of 63 procs

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[sullen walrus]

kir ?

[proven ocean]

sheeeeeesh

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

i delete it every week

so i can get it again

every week

[sharp hinge]

take me with you to CE, Zac - just once

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel got r1 on gallywix boss dmg by above 200k

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

[proven ocean]

LOOOL

on nightelf too

not even maghar orc

XD

\

?

[vivid vessel]

this seems to be the price rn

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[sharp hinge]

just gally is 12mil?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[sharp hinge]

jesus

[vivid vessel]

well the whole clear is 17mil

so its moslty gally costing i guess

idk

[sharp hinge]

is it unsaved

or saved run

[vivid vessel]

its mythic

how are you saved

[crisp condor]

Dayum. Wonder what gear funnel would cost if we're already at 17m

[vivid vessel]

in mythic

thats gear funnel

you take eveyrhting

[crisp condor]

Ah

[random stirrup]

we got 12M for 8/8 after the community took a cut or whatever

i think u get a bit discount for buying all 8 though

[sharp hinge]

true, im thinking of heroic. since our guild sells heroic boost and i think its 550k for unsaved and 250k for saved

[sharp sand]

I remember one time when someone paid me 500k for a normal curio.

[vivid vessel]

well actually some guilds boost 2 guys in mythic

so it would be shared between the 2

but then they wouldnt be the same armor type prolly

[sharp hinge]

max you can take usually is 2 people on mythic?

[vivid vessel]

you prolly could do 3 rn with all the new shit

but idk if anyone is doing it

liquid /echo idk

technically there is no dps check this season

[sharp hinge]

true, since it would be technically a 17 man and the other 3 would just jump off or die immediately

[vivid vessel]

outside of maybe mugzee

but mugzee isnt much of a dps check anymore

if you have everyone alive its dying way before anything bad happen

and even befoe that its basically impossible to reach enrage

idk never seen it

[sharp hinge]

is it hard to get into a top 100 guild?

i assume youre in one?

[random stirrup]

we did 2 for sprocket/bandit last week

i think 3-4 is def possible for most bosses

mugzee is weird because the strat keeps changing for the push timer

[vivid vessel]

we are rank 66 rn

idk if its hard

[sharp hinge]

sheeeshhh

[vivid vessel]

its not hard if you are capable of raiding at that level

[sharp hinge]

i mean im capable, i just dont have any readily available mythic logs

[vivid vessel]

if you dont have mythic logs you arent capable

[sharp hinge]

from what ive seen they want to have me fill out google docs

[vivid vessel]

you gotta start somewhere first

there is a big part that is also just experience

[sharp hinge]

for this expansion i dont. SL, DF i do

[vivid vessel]

well if you already raided mythic you know then

[vapid sundial]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[crimson thicket]

17 top, boomie refuses to barkskin or use bear, dies 3 times on gorechomp, blames healer. tried to fight me in arena when im gapping him by almost a mil overall. good times

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-doge-dancing-dance-dancing-doge-gif-9215522312687196262

[sharp sand]

Leet

[sharp hinge]

i get into not so good "mythic guilds" furthest ive gotten to is about half of raid done

[vivid vessel]

well the first step is trying to get to ce guilds

before you get top 100 guilds

[sharp hinge]

ive had a hunter use defensives, potions, as well as stun me just to win. and his answer was "well i wasnt going to use those abilities on the boss"

[vivid vessel]

ce guilds can range to like top 1000 you know

[sharp hinge]

i just dont even know where to start looking tbh

guild recruitment discord has been a bust for me

[lime lake]

ngl both times i needed a guild i just put myself to looking for guild on wcl and got responses within a week

first time was with 0 mythic logs at all, then this season after not having raided at all s1

guilds need rogues

[vivid vessel]

700 guilds rn got ce

[lime lake]

bc nobody plays this class

[vivid vessel]

its prolly getting to 1000 + with nerfs and buffs and shit

[leaden folio]

we are 14/20 renew on raid

so 6 more week

[wary wind]

Yeah just make a post on the recruitment discord and you
Work your way up slowly, I’ve only been end of tier CE but I imagine that’s how it works

[vivid vessel]

just have realistic expectations

if ytou havent raided in 3 tiers and have nothing to show for it

you prolly need to join lower ranked guilds

get logs

then maybe you can start going your way up

my process usually have been like > ok im too good for that guild now, i feel like im getting held back, its boring > apply to better guild within expectation range

and you do that till you get to liquid

or till you find the spot you wanna be at

[lethal otter]

Outlaw noob here. How does mastery interact with blade flurry? Is it:

1. Number of targets increase main gauche proc chance
2. or main gauche duplicates damage via blade flurry?

[vivid vessel]

each hit of bf can proc main gauche

[lethal otter]

tyty

[minor lantern]

gear trinket from raid and pacemaker, KIR build

[glass mortar]

Of the initial cast only

[vivid vessel]

ah ye mb idk why i said that

[glass mortar]

The actual cleave part of bf just does bf damage based on ur MG to the primary target

Yea u definitly answered the opposite

Of what that person was looking for

Kir brained af

[vivid vessel]

owned

[shy sandal]

Twilight Dev best rn with bugged procs from Echoing void?

[bright crane]

Or gushing if you want more ST and consistent damage

And no chance of ninja pulls

[shy sandal]

hmm ye ig thats true

[bright crane]

But I haven’t ninja pulled once so far

And it’s doing a solid 2.7-3% of my damage overall

[shy sandal]

any idea how much stronged it is compared to gushing?

[bright crane]

In the pins

-.1% in ST, +1% in aoe

[sharp hinge]

but it looks cooler

[white marten]

Greater corruption dmg is not much better than lessers. Kinda wack.

[haughty wigeon]

td cooler

thus is bis

[white marten]

TD ftw

[hybrid crown]

Tbh I'm a fan of the word gushing

[white marten]

Same

Too bad its not AoE gushing

Thatd be dope

And also kinda OP

[eager rose]

What a macro?

[tepid valve]

Is gallywix iron thumb any good for us or not worth?

[white marten]

Is it normal to not always get AR off CD before the buff runs out in keys? My uptime in any given ~12 is like 89% and i feel like it should be higher

[long barn]

Blah. Zac confirmed like 1 fight it’s good. And that’s mythic sprocket

Trash in M+

Fight needs to be like 5 min or more too

[tepid valve]

Ahhh ok

[daring oxide]

so its good for mugzee and gally, got it

the only two fights that matterrrr

[long barn]

Yea mugzee it would be good

[red zinc]

What why wouldnt it just be good on every st fight

pretty sure the 5min thing is about eye of kezan

[daring oxide]

yeah

i thought so too

[glass mortar]

does it actually need a long fight or

[daring oxide]

its free damage

[glass mortar]

is zac baiting u guys again

[long barn]

Zac will have to chime in

[glass mortar]

u know the damage is completely free right

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/non-french-no-french-monkey-no-to-france-french-flag-gif-21517493

[glass mortar]

its not budgeted even if its shit

id be very surprised if its not just bis for every boss?

[red zinc]

i think you just misunderstood twin

[glass mortar]

maybe bis by 0.02% tho

[long barn]

He could be trolling me

Happens on the daily

[glass mortar]

well i doubt hes trolling u its more likely that it just literally doesnt matter

thing is probably 0.1% better then cauldron fist on most fights with farm timers

that sorta thing

[long barn]

Pretty sure his words were, Gally weapon is trash lol

[glass mortar]

ye it is mega trash for m+

u cant weaponswap it

[long barn]

Yes

[glass mortar]

and the effect is practically useless

[long barn]

But I asked about raid and he said basically same crap

[glass mortar]

what stats r on it maybe it makes u lose some vers

i still think it would be better tho

hes probably just capping

[long barn]

Are the stats better on crowd?

[glass mortar]

m+ brained forever

[daring oxide]

it has vers

gally weapon has haste crit

[glass mortar]

yea crowd should have better stats

but like

[daring oxide]

which are technically useless stats

in a way

cos at 682

you are gonna be giga swimming in haste

[glass mortar]

i dont think 700 crit for 700 vers

[daring oxide]

yeah

[glass mortar]

is worth less then the damage effect

[long barn]

Yea I think he was saying just use crowd for all fights with adds

[glass mortar]

on any raid boss

[daring oxide]

well

[glass mortar]

maybe on a herioc boss u kill in 1 minute

or stix

[daring oxide]

well

[long barn]

Then we got on topic of how long fight needs to happen to be worth and 5 min came up

[daring oxide]

either way

outlaw needs ks rework

and we need a aura buff

not fair sub gets 10%

[long barn]

Solo might have some info too

[daring oxide]

outlaw gonna be the new bottom speck

[glass mortar]

it was a 5% buff

[daring oxide]

what info?

ye but it was a 10% buff really no?

[long barn]

I mean. Patchwork sim always puts Gally ahead by like a tad

[daring oxide]

@frail bronze

[long barn]

But let’s face it nothing in this raid is like patchwork

[daring oxide]

opps i mean @glass mortar

[glass mortar]

only if they did an oopsie

[daring oxide]

they did

[long barn]

They did 10!

[daring oxide]

they buffed it 10%

[glass mortar]

which they could have idk i dont check sub channel

[daring oxide]

not 5%

[long barn]

No way

[glass mortar]

like

[daring oxide]

i promise ya

[glass mortar]

how do u do 10% by accident

did they just apply the 5% twice?

[daring oxide]

how does blizzard do any patch updates by accident

as they have consistently done

since start of TWW

well

i think they admitted it actually that their QA is garbage atm

something about it being hard to keep track of hotfixes

so they accidentally break things or unfix things with patches

or mess up merging

etc etc

so its probably a case of oppsie again

remember when feral druid were supposed to get a 3% buff the other week

and it took a week for them to realise they didn't actually push it to production or something like that

[long barn]

Unreal

[daring oxide]

magic like that can happen

[final sluice]

ok what do I buy for my coin shit? Signet / Honey Buzzer or Pacemaker ? they sim basicly the same.

Dungeon slice that is

[daring oxide]

not honey buzzer

[final sluice]

I figured allready ;p

[daring oxide]

have you not killed any bosses on mythic?

[final sluice]

I have all mythic trinkets

[daring oxide]

ah i see

[final sluice]

from raid - no need coins

[daring oxide]

maybe just get

jastor diamond

if u ever wanted to play ass

[final sluice]

not gonna happen -I play this slug spec

assa is to slow - maybe sub yes - but never assa

[daring oxide]

hmm

i guess you have absolutely everything then

[final sluice]

thats how m+ setup looks

[white marten]

O: outlaw rework in 11.2?! Yaaaaasss

[final sluice]

maybe get rid of double active trinkets for some dungeons

[final sluice]

for real or fake news? xD

[white marten]

Fake

[final sluice]

obviously

[white marten]

Or is it? 👀

[daring oxide]

yes its real

i spoke to real

he said 50/50 outlaw may get a KS fix for 11.2

[final sluice]

at that point I dont even want them to rework it outside of changing ks

[white marten]

Vai is strangely always right tbh

[daring oxide]

and said its 51/49 after reading wowhead article about KS sucking

[final sluice]

that seems about what blizzard really does

[white marten]

51/49 is higher than 50% chance

[final sluice]

wowhead article = 1% chance of ix

[daring oxide]

yup

51% is basically 99% at this point

[white marten]

Yeah

[final sluice]

xD

[white marten]

But even 99% is 50/50

[daring oxide]

I think

[final sluice]

maybe we shoud just team up

go in high m+ keys

[daring oxide]

if guy just focused the article on Killing Spree and why fatebound sucks cock then real will fix immediately with hotfix next week

[final sluice]

and all farm deaths on bosses cause of killing spree - so it shows off as bugged for them or something

[white marten]

why cant someone just make a classic wow clone in 2025 and call it a day?

[daring oxide]

i think devs should do a new type of show, 'Devs play the game' and the players get to tell them which class to play, and we tell them trickster outlaw only

and we tell them to do mythic sprocket

would love to see how that goes

Ion pressing killing spree wiping the raid with polarity ping pong would make my day

[final sluice]

haha

easy solution

dont press killing spree

thats what they will tell you

[daring oxide]

thats fine, they can tell me that while they do 500k LFR dps

[final sluice]

"all the fun about killing spree is gotta know when to press it - best mechanic we ever invented "

[daring oxide]

but when can i press it on sprocket 😭

only in the first 10 seconds

very sad

or

we tell the opposite colour to move away from sprocket every 10-20seconds

so we can killing spree 🙂

[final sluice]

ITs other players fault if they fall down right -

not ur problem

nothing happens to you

[daring oxide]

thats true

[final sluice]

its fine

I think raid shoud do this

[daring oxide]

I need to do a bug report soon though

the motion sickness/camera shake feature doesn't work for some reason

[final sluice]

and fatebound sucks, I tryed it for some pulls on mug'zee some time ago and it felt so shit compared to trickster

[daring oxide]

when i press killing spree with the accessibility options turned on, my screen still shakes and the motion gives me epilepsy still 😦

not sure what to do

[final sluice]

I mean KiR is fun with deft in multi target - but ST kir fatebound, same as ST HO - the varraiance is like crazy - one pull to another 800k diff

actually it was fun weacing in killing spree in mug'zee intermission between charges - still the camera shaking nonsense is criminal.

[daring oxide]

because lucky coin sucks ass

[final sluice]

I mean they put in an arachnophobia mode / colour blind mode / all that nonsense - but killing spree is no problem

kekw

I know alot of people which coundt even play trickster if they wanted to cause they for real woud throw up

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7tFEGUWOg0OrrXlA9_bptBaD0rd1LSYK?si=chDXHm4Ava03weL4 @fathom bramble

i vanished

too late ?

i didfnt know that was possible

[azure vortex]

BRO

my friend cannot come tomorrow for sprocket prog

and he is playing warlock

:DDDDDD

do you have any advice for me

[tawny adder]

monkaTOS

[red zinc]

whats your username and server

No particular reason

[glass mortar]

yea my advice is get banned IDIOT for openly breaking the ToS in here 😠

but idk go read a warlock guide on wowhead, its only st so u only have half the reading 2 do

i have no clue what warlocks play now a day

[red zinc]

Destro st is easy as piss

demo slightly harder

[fathom bramble]

unluck

[red zinc]

affliction idek they probably got moon rune scripture texts on wowhead for those

[fathom bramble]

guess it's the same as sending a kick and still getting polymorphed

while kick is on cd

should be impossible, but when 2 things are on the same tick anything can happen

or something

[vivid vessel]

!!!

[somber ridge]

is it worth gearing towards the 19% haste cuz KiR is always gonna be better than HO at better gear levels? I always see everyone play KiR but for me rn (12% haste) HO is better

[red zinc]

its personal preference one isnt better than the other theoretically

[gaunt phoenix]

Kir is popular because zac propoganda

[red zinc]

kir more aoe ho more st

[vivid vessel]

kir is popular because its better ????

thoughts ?

holy moly ! ! !

[gaunt phoenix]

if kir was oppressively stronger than HO i would be the first person to announce it to the world

[red zinc]

HO has aura deficiency issues

[sharp hinge]

why is KiR better?

[red zinc]

is what it is

[sharp hinge]

all my homies hate KiR

[vivid vessel]

i mean its better in keys

does more damage

or maybe ho players are noob

[red zinc]

prove it rn by playing ho for a full month

[sharp hinge]

we like Ho's

question is, would KiR be better for 10-12 range keys

[vivid vessel]

nuh uh

if an ho player

can prove to me

[red zinc]

an ho

[vivid vessel]

he does better damage

then i will accept it

i have nothing to prove

everything is proven

i do more damage

i play kir

kir is better

[red zinc]

the best outlaw build is actually feral

[sharp hinge]

how many WAs do you need to play it though

[red zinc]

feral clears

my feral went from 510 to 652 in the span of 2 hours today

kinda massive

[sharp hinge]

yeah getting leeched gear is EZ

[red zinc]

supporting the eastern european economy

[sharp hinge]

Is that romania?

or is that west europe

[fervent vessel]

Is echoing void still bugged?

[tender wedge]

yes

[fervent vessel]

Thank you

[red zinc]

reading pin hard

[tender wedge]

typing 3 letters also easy tho

[red zinc]

about the principle

[tender wedge]

i know i know

but im tired boss

[harsh forge]

playing with BF gives combo points is just too goated

[deep falcon]

if i'm playing kir with bf giving combo points, do i press it on cd to generate

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe yeah

[deep falcon]

alright cool, ty ty

[gaunt phoenix]

the kir build has an optimization to prioritize SS when unseen blade is guaranteed (need weakaura)

as opposed to bf

unless you are in stealth

[red zinc]

Is that wa bugged visually sometimes or is that just me

like you have 1 guaranteed proc banked from timer, press ks, and it only shows 2 after

[gaunt phoenix]

at one point yes, it was updated

[somber ridge]

even with the required haste ho sims 5% better in st and 0.5% worse in aoe
I might be an ho enjoyer, fewer weakauras too and less reroll logic brain capacity

[glass mortar]

well u shouldnt be comparing kir trickster and ho trickster st

kir plays fatebound in ST

its comparable to trickster HO. trickster kir is behind both

and in dungeons u dont run pure ST builds so thats not super relevant

[somber ridge]

its still the 2 competing builds for m+ so obviously im gonna compare them

[glass mortar]

sure but 1 fth kir trickster is neck and neck with dungeon HO m+ builds st

if ur looking at sims of pure st builds its not gunna fully show that

[somber ridge]

im not. i compared ho trickster m+ and kir trickster m+ builds

[glass mortar]

zacs 1 fth varient?

or the faq one

[somber ridge]

nah. never heard of that cursed shit

[glass mortar]

yea

its like 6% stronger st tho

[somber ridge]

what do you get for the point in fth

[glass mortar]

ghostly strike

while still having PC

[somber ridge]

that makes sense

[red zinc]

u dont need that second point its fine

[glass mortar]

if u simmed that it would probably be equal to or stronger then the ho build ur simming in ST

[red zinc]

useless talent no cap

[glass mortar]

i do agree its a bit cursed but i think its kirs strongest varient

the damage profile is just very good for keys

[red zinc]

im trying to think if that wouldve been good in df aswell

[glass mortar]

PC wasnt this strong in df

[red zinc]

Or would you not need the point anywhere since ks wasnt mandatory

[glass mortar]

but maybe we woulda discovered the bf bug

[red zinc]

i mean we used pc

in df

And gs

[bright crane]

I was gonna say

BF was bugged

We may have been secret PC enjoyers all along

[glass mortar]

yea pc wasnt doing anything in real aoe back then either xd

[bright crane]

Cursed PC fan bois

[somber ridge]

how do you sim for outlaw btw, some specs say dungeon slice or w/e is super cursed

[glass mortar]

dslice is fine for us

i just do st and 5-8t PW for aoe and make my decisions based off how stuff scales

but im just an old man

dslice is fine

[crystal finch]

How the fuck am I supposed to use Killing Spree, I'm about to lose my mind

Fuck this skill

[glass mortar]

xd

a whole season of it man

still gets me everytime

not even a bandaid for this nonsense

[red zinc]

Cudgel

doesnt work on patchwerk

So its a lil gooby

[glass mortar]

i mean cudgels just bis in aoe

if ur in dungeon trash aoe u put it on ur oh

i dont need to sim that

only thing id like to sim is cudgels value on ST if it gets resets

for "boss" trash in m+

[red zinc]

You dont but ive seen people askin about it

[crystal finch]

You can either: Skip on a skill that is essential to your build entirely OR try to snipe in a killing spree and get stunned and die idk

[red zinc]

Saying cudgel looks bad and all that

[bright crane]

You’ll learn when to use it

Requires like

[red zinc]

Theres actually some skill expression in when to use it

[bright crane]

Near perfect dungeon knowledge

[red zinc]

but fuck that ability

[bright crane]

Yeah it’s BEAT

[crystal finch]

I'm just salty, sorry didn't mean to interrupt your conversation my bad

[bright crane]

hey man better to be pissed off than to be pissed on

[crystal finch]

lmao

[bright crane]

But I guess it matters who you’re asking

[crystal finch]

yeah i guess

[red zinc]

better to piss in the sink

than to …

anyway

[fossil lintel]

Unless you're a sub rogue, then I guess they would enjoy it more

[glass mortar]

all u need to do to tell cudgel is bis is sim it vs a 684 oh in 8t patchwerk aoe

and see that with no proc effect at all its like 0.7% behind

then see that it does 3% of ur dps in keys

xd

[red zinc]

just sim it on dungeon route type shit

double cudgel bis on first pull cinder but you didnt hear that from me

[glass mortar]

wouldnt surprise me

[red zinc]

Secret technology (0.1% dps gain low accuracy)

[bright crane]

Did sub get their extra buff hot fixed?

[red zinc]

yer

[bright crane]

Ouch

[glass mortar]

my highest peak this season of 22m dps was just with cudgel and abusing vanish with low cp Kspree on a 30 civilian pull in a 10 rookery

it was only for like 2 seconds

but it was a hilarious

cudgel was 12% of my dps

[red zinc]

it aint about how you start its about how you finish

[glass mortar]

well, it was civilians in a 10

they lived 10 seconds

i got 2 cudgel uses off on em and my fps dropped from all the purple spam

[red zinc]

i unironically think a proc that did damage on a mob the first time after exiting stealth would fit pretty okay thematically

funny that this cudgel shows it

[glass mortar]

if it reset every vanish by design yea

more power on vanish tho

people angy

😏

[red zinc]

ay man

ill just say what i like

i couldnt care less about zac or guy or whoevers grand plan for the spec

everyone got their preferences

[winged depot]

Anyone give me a few abiliity names that are important to be close/u spam a lot?

I got

SS/Ambush
Dispatch
Pistol Shot
BTE
Killing Spree

I've been reading the guides and learning a lot but just trying to put the spammy keybinds in places I can reach very easily

[blissful idol]

roll the bones,ghostly strike, adre, vanish

[winged depot]

thanks!

[bright crane]

lol that’s pretty much our entire rotation

[blissful idol]

[crisp condor]

Alchemist stone at 681 is simming as a big improvement over my current trinkets (which are admittedly pretty shit) but it's not even on the list of trinkets on WoWhead. Is it sim bait in some way or am I just that bad atm?

[glass mortar]

all trinkets are shit

its not anywhere close to being bis but its not like its super behind

no trinket is super behind

[crisp condor]

Fair

Adding more RNG to my RNG spec what could go wrong

[nocturne folio]

my tiny gnome rogue can now craft a weapon. the end of double cudgel era

[frail veldt]

doesnt that take an embelishment?

[crisp condor]

No idea

If yes, shit

Raidbots/WoWhead just show it as Unique-Equipped but no mention of embellishment

[glass mortar]

dont think it takes an embellishment

[crisp condor]

Well I have no other slot to use my spark in anyway so I guess I'll find out

[mystic peak]

for ks you always need to know where something might hit in 8 seconds and plan to not stand there when you start ks
other than that elusivness and feint can help mitigate damage taken during it, and you can cloak off the debuff you get if you take damage while ks

[hybrid crown]

You learn when you can and cant

[proven ocean]

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what tvshowodeosiwatch

or

movie

?

!

[hybrid crown]

Also 1 point KS is safer and you don't lose much dps

If it's risky

[vivid vessel]

wtf

ross

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wt zac

ok

zac

what movie !

[bright crane]

The Barbie movie

Think you’d really like that one

[proven ocean]

????????????????????

fuck no

[bright crane]

The Notebook maybe?

Seems like your speed

[winged depot]

Yah i was thinking its less than people make it sound tbh. I know theres a lot to keep it going but people say u'll get Arthritis from it has to be an exageration x_x

I don't get the high APM argument
Because I was playing other classes and on every single dps spec I am constantly clicking to queue the next ability going off CD

Maybe thats just me and i do it wrong -_-

[ancient cobalt]

yeah its just you man

[winged depot]

damn

adhd brain giving me future joint issues then

[grave axle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[frail veldt]

@proven ocean watch penguin

[green dune]

hello, are we still nightfall curselbade's cudgel > hc molten knuckles in M+? sims still seem to not be calculating cudgel properly

[frail veldt]

the series on hbo

its 100/10

if you havent already

[ancient cobalt]

@proven ocean what is ur age sex location and ethnicity and I can give u a good recc

[proven ocean]

GOMFGHOFMGHOMHATGR

OPHMKARETDGOPFLK;H,BGAEDTRJMGBIPKORTADEL;HMJAETPOH

ATE,KGHETDB

AOPLHG;TMDRFAEHNB

ETDA;LKHMG

H

WO

DID I FORGOET

ABOUT IT

OMG

LOLOLOLO

OMG

[frail veldt]

lololol

[proven ocean]

OK

ITS TIME

FORTHEPENGUIN

CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

[frail veldt]

yass

[proven ocean]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH

LOVE U MEWO

[frail veldt]

yw

[proven ocean]

CUH

BIG G

THATS U CUH

mewo emwoe

EMWO

i drink litpoin iced tea now

oinstead of readbull

omgomgogm

its good

!

[frail veldt]

oh wow

and youre still like this?

[proven ocean]

i feel alot more chill now

and

relaxed

!

[frail veldt]

hahahahah

[proven ocean]

omgogmgomgomgogm

[frail veldt]

I couldnt tell

[proven ocean]

g

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

OK

wait

mewo

guess wahat

[frail veldt]

what

[proven ocean]

i stopped pwathjicnogin tvhoswhis on my pc

i started wathcing on apple tv

likke

it becomes 4k

!

insane or

??

[frail veldt]

oh damn

I didnt know

[proven ocean]

ya

[frail veldt]

I mean 4k prob goes hard

[proven ocean]

apple tv

or

smart tv

is good

cuz

they give 4k

[frail veldt]

yeah thats nice

[proven ocean]

on pc no 4k because piracy

they just dont provide ity

cuh

oh

adbn

omg

and

i listen

[frail veldt]

honestly I need a new tv lowkey

[proven ocean]

tiwthmy

like

insane headphone

so

like

i hear in 4k

not just watch in 4k

!

[frail veldt]

tv with headphones?

[proven ocean]

nono

like

[ripe ibex]

can you go back to redbull

[proven ocean]

wait

letme show u

cuh

[covert kestrel]

ross is coked tf out

[proven ocean]

https://www.hifiman.com/products/detail/338

[frail veldt]

yeah whats in the iced tea

[proven ocean]

this

[cedar kernel]

i just saw zeross showing alarm

[proven ocean]

!

[cedar kernel]

when i stepped into channel

[proven ocean]

OMG

bac

u watched my stream

[frail veldt]

holyyyy

bro

[cedar kernel]

no i didnt

[proven ocean]

big fan of u bac

[cedar kernel]

i mean this

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

oh

[proven ocean]

thoguht u meant this

[cedar kernel]

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

[covert kestrel]

arya organic is nice

[proven ocean]

these headphones dont work on their own

u need things powering it up

[vivid vessel]

have you watched the new mission impossible already

[proven ocean]

amp/dac

no

[frail veldt]

ye ik

[proven ocean]

is it

good

or

im

[vivid vessel]

idk

[proven ocean]

want

[vivid vessel]

its not out

[proven ocean]

to watch but

idk

[frail veldt]

I heard its dec

its out in the states

[proven ocean]

whats dec

?

[frail veldt]

decent

[proven ocean]

its here

in uae

can wat ch

but

idk

[frail veldt]

its literally just all action

[proven ocean]

if i do

rly

wtf

so

like

cracked ass out the wazoo

?!?!

[frail veldt]

just insane stunts the whole time

yeah

I hear the "submarine scene" is wild

[proven ocean]

ya i kinda like

tuned it abit

to my ears

with fiio k9 pro ess

fiio is great cuz it has bluetooth too

can hear on anything kinda

vrgl recommended me those headphones

i miss vrgl

[frail veldt]

hes not gone

[proven ocean]

or atleast he kinda helped me with all my purchases regarding audio

[frail veldt]

is he?

[proven ocean]

well

no

[frail veldt]

I swear he just typed in here like a day ago

[proven ocean]

but

oh

u mean here

hes bannd yes

not here anymore

[frail veldt]

wat?

[runic bough]

Yo guys

[frail veldt]

vrgl got banned from the disc?

[proven ocean]

from ravenholdt

yes

[vivid vessel]

its been a while now mewo

[covert kestrel]

[frail veldt]

oh damn

I feel like I asked this before

[runic bough]

I heard someone cracked out had to join

[proven ocean]

he joked about elonmusk raising his hand

[frail veldt]

what happened again?

aaaaaaaaaaah

lolololol

[proven ocean]

and he got nuked

[frail veldt]

"raising his hand"

[proven ocean]

well

zac pinged the mods

[vivid vessel]

it was a bit mroe than just a joke but ye

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

i mean ye

you cant say

[frail veldt]

ah gotcha

[proven ocean]

i dont remember

[vivid vessel]

shit like he did

[proven ocean]

what else he said tho

like all i remmeber it wasnt ban worthy just 1-2 weeks mute

[runic bough]

I asked him off the discord and he still wouldn't tell me what he said

[vivid vessel]

ye prolly

i mean idk

[proven ocean]

perma ban was extremely harsh

[vivid vessel]

weird things to say

idk

[proven ocean]

i talked to the purples about it

but

they dont want

[vivid vessel]

jsut dont say these type of things its weird

[visual moat]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[proven ocean]

ya well true

[runic bough]

Zac what mechanics can we ignore with ks and cloak after?

[vivid vessel]

uh

idk man

so many

[proven ocean]

zac

[vivid vessel]

just test it out

die

[proven ocean]

what areas can u press stealth??

[vivid vessel]

its how it goes

[frail veldt]

thats what cheat is for

[proven ocean]

i wanna know

for rogue

???

zac

?

[vivid vessel]

??

press stealth now !

[proven ocean]

!

btw

zac

like no cappi

[frail veldt]

macro stealth into W

[proven ocean]

watching tv shows on 4k

is crazy

like

omgmogmg?

[runic bough]

Zeross how do I apply poisons?

[frail veldt]

apply poisons isnt in the guide

howd you know to do it

[proven ocean]

i wanna tell u how ryu

[runic bough]

Watching videos

[proven ocean]

but u might not like the way

[runic bough]

[main shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-gif-7553891

[runic bough]

Zeross how much damage does dispatch do while in sin spec?

[proven ocean]

thats how u apply poisons ryu

[runic bough]

Excuse me there are children here

[proven ocean]

ok gonna delete cuz its abit sus if someone is workingt ina noffice

[vivid vessel]

im in bed

and its sus

[proven ocean]

[white marten]

freakin cats pump bro. He had me in the 1st half, ngl.

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

stop censoring the names bro !

[proven ocean]

nah

hes shy

[vivid vessel]

i wanna shit talk

[white marten]

😦

[runic bough]

Yeah we wanna see names

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

i wanna shit talk this hnter

[white marten]

only cuz zac said so

[vivid vessel]

bet i can @ him

[white marten]

xD

rogues are known to be the nicest players around. Dont we wanna keep it that way ?

[vivid vessel]

hm

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-where-is-she-nikkal-nikkalkundhal-nick-gif-18076474

[vivid vessel]

i feel like thats fake

[white marten]

its sooo true xD

[vivid vessel]

holy shit !

holy moly !

[runic bough]

He made fake namez

[proven ocean]

HOLY SHMOLY

[vivid vessel]

@haaldir

[proven ocean]

WAIT ZAC

[vivid vessel]

noob !

[proven ocean]

LET ME SHOW

U

THE

[runic bough]

FIGURES

[proven ocean]

HOLY SHMOLY VIDEO

OK?

zac

wanna

see

the

aholy

shmoly

video

?

[vivid vessel]

bro ross

you think you can be normal

[proven ocean]

wait wait

dont ross me

sec

this is too funny ok

1 min

[runic bough]

Zeross who is Ross amd why do you respond to both?

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[proven ocean]

@zac

[vivid vessel]

holy shmoly

[white marten]

i wanna be like zac when i grow up. big boi outlaw

[proven ocean]

holy shmoly

[mystic peak]

Curseblades cudgle only has champion tier right

[white marten]

yes

[mystic peak]

cool. i thought so but wanted to make sure because of how hard a hero tier would go. This thing is insane

[white marten]

is ~90% ADR uptime pretty good on mid keys?

[white marten]

imagine.

[runic bough]

I think my right hand is getting carpool tunnelle

But the apm is on left hand

Weird

Right hand is chilling

[white marten]

that doesnt make sense

[runic bough]

That wut I said

[white marten]

ur left is doin all the work but the righty feelin it ?!

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-bitch-what-no-no-sense-gif-5596342

Ye

Wot happen to my right hand wtf

I think

Its basic human anatomy

The more we move, the healthier we are

Left hand is blazing on the apm and right hand just moving camera angle chilling

That would explains it

This is on topic because it pertains to outlaw irl hand health awareness.

That is all for today's PSA.

[proven ocean]

guys my discord theme is black, anyone knows how i can change it?

[white marten]

in the settings

[random stirrup]

There is a plug-in to hide the blocked messages and show button thing

Very nice for certain cases

[runic bough]

[random stirrup]

Ryu is not cooked enough to warrant blocking though

Very mean zeross

[frail veldt]

Brother

[random stirrup]

[frail veldt]

You did not just say that

[runic bough]

That our keyboard hand is not getting carpool tunnelle but our right hand is?

[frail veldt]

Carpool

Tunnelle

[runic bough]

Doesn't it sound better

[frail veldt]

🚙 🎱

[runic bough]

I invented it just now for this scenario

[proven ocean]

im memeing on ryu

[stray star]

dude

[proven ocean]

ryu is my biggest fan

of cookedholdt

[stray star]

ws as outlaw is one of the worst experiences I've ever had

[frail veldt]

Yeah ws sucks

[runic bough]

Ws?

[final sluice]

yeah man what is ws?

[stray star]

workshop

[final sluice]

?

[runic bough]

Well

[final sluice]

its like a very strong outlaw dungeon tbh

[runic bough]

You have to time adr for the role playing cut scenes and ur fine

[final sluice]

I mean the first one you dont, cause going stealth will hold through it and u will be not infight after boss / same for the skips after / the only part which sucks is flying over with that air robot thingy

[late swallow]

Cutscenes and RP should scale with haste

[runic bough]

Yeah if u don't hold adr before the flight your cooked burnt

[final sluice]

I think theres harder things then holding vanish or adr once a dungeon

[runic bough]

You have to use the adds before last boss to get adr back

[stray star]

this dg is no ks friendly

[final sluice]

tank ring of first boss + p1 of last boss cause orbs, , otherwise its ok to use on cd mostly

if tank is monkey u cant do while lazor in boss 3 ofc

[runic bough]

For first pull just run in a circle around the adds to survive.

[final sluice]

just press cloak tbh

[runic bough]

Cloak will run out

[final sluice]

do more ddamage ryu

xD

if pull isnt over after 5 seconds than Idk

xD

[runic bough]

I'm still high apm while running

Like on the last add when tanks go to the next pull

I am there killing the last add

As it follows tank

[final sluice]

But yeah running circles and iif its anoying ks into cloak

[teal marten]

how do i write a macro that prio mouseover interrupt but can also interrupt target if i dont have mouseover?

[runic bough]

Also ks is toxic

[stray star]

/cast [@mouseover, harm, exists][@target] Kick

[final sluice]

I mran its the shittiest op ability

[runic bough]

The best thing to do is save ks for moments when there's no mechanic

And not let it rage you

[final sluice]

Ks is shit and op same tume

[runic bough]

If ur always thinking about ks ur gonna punch your monitor at some point

Just use when no mechanics and don't think about it

[civic void]

you might have anger issues, thoughts ?

[final sluice]

Im true. Just send it

[wintry solar]

Nah

Skill issue

[teal marten]

thanks

[runic bough]

Like the way devs have ks right now u have to hold it. Interrupting our rotation. So just use it when you can and don't think about. It's going to interrupt your rotation regardless.

[random stirrup]

I personally think KS is often a point of incredible skill expression and knowledge

[final sluice]

I mean we having 50-80dr on demand + stagger. Even in 16 you can send ks into boss aoes and nothing happens

[wintry solar]

I wouldn't mind interrupting my rotation if missing a global didn't feel like the world was going to implode around me.

[runic bough]

Some mechanics ks ignores, while others stun or kill you. So you have to figure out which is which. Nobody made a list yet.

[civic void]

not sure if you meant feint but there is no dr on killing spree

[final sluice]

True. Thats why i allways say. Just send it. If it works it works. If it dosnt and u survive next time send defensive with it. If it kills you try sending defensive next time if it still kills you ok wait 1 second.

I woud be fine with ks if the animation woudnt be so annoying

[final sluice]

Feint + evasion + the huge amount of vers we got

[runic bough]

If there was a list of what is safe and not safe each outlaw wouldn't have to trial and error.

Its just a huge list nobody wanna do it

[final sluice]

True i told you weeks ago if you start one i help out

[runic bough]

I try not to think about trololspree when I can..

[bright crane]

NA login issues?

cant get passted Logging in to game servers - keeps dc'ing

[runic bough]

Blizzard is inspecting your account

I donno that only happens during inspections I think

Happens once in a blue moon

[wintry solar]

Ryu your dms open?

[bright crane]

there we go

stale launcher i guess

[runic bough]

I'm on do not disturb

[wintry solar]

I will not then

[runic bough]

What is it about

[high cargo]

anyone have something more definitive on corruptions for m+, everything i read is echoing void but checking out the top 50 most have twilight dev.

[next shuttle]

Read the pinned message

[runic bough]

I went back to gushing

Twilight was hitting areas where there was no mobs

[white marten]

u did what?!

why

[proven ocean]

[white marten]

TD all da way bro

[runic bough]

Twilight doesn't seem to target mobs, it shoots randomly?

[proven ocean]

Are u attacking mobs while ur facing ur camera upside down or what