outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

no it is faceroll regardless

i didnt even know it made it harder i just always selected it

[floral star]

nice, I will give that a try. Ty so much

[gaunt phoenix]

can also try not to vanish between gcds or try to vanish during pistol shots

[rotund zodiac]

Follower make everything x2 hp

😭

[lyric steeple]

Is this WA considered bad? https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[rotund zodiac]

It’s decent

I’ve been using it since SL season 4

But you have to make ur own decision when to roll sometimes

[lyric steeple]

Also, why does this WA say to reroll right after farming 5 rolls and after pressing KIR

[thin fiber]

can we hook out of prison in mugzee?

[blissful idol]

because it can basically give you the 6th buff missing without losing your current ones

[rotund zodiac]

No

[thin fiber]

aite thanks

[near holly]

outlaw bottom of the barrel as always end of season. wheres our buffs lol. how do they give us ST without making us stronger in m+.

[rotund zodiac]

wdym, we blasting

[shell fossil]

stop playing with udk boomie

help yo self

lol..i tried doing i'pa with a mage warlock on assassin talk about a counter synergy

adds never get cleaved and im trying to lmao ramp

[sharp pasture]

arcane feels bad with assa

[shell fossil]

idk if brewmaster helps rogue at all but if they do hope they get more buffs tbh, prot war is kinda rare

[leaden folio]

someone have craft engi wrist? what perk do you chose ?

[winged depot]

Does the blade furry duration/cd mean u only doe AOE damage for 13 sec every 30 sec?

Or can u keep it up indefintely some way/reduce the cd

[hybrid crown]

The talent under handed upper hand makes BF last like forever as long as ADR is up

Restless blades reduces the cd of bf to like just a few seconds depending on finishers

[winged depot]

ohkay missed that thx

so u use ADR on cd always?

& blade furry

[hybrid crown]

You want as much uptime as possible

There's some nuance as to when you should re cast ADR but yes

[winged depot]

kay cool

[hybrid crown]

#outlaw-faq has some super helpful info

Also that under handed upper hand talent means if you stay in stealth you can pause many of your important buffs like bf and ADR, so in general try to stay in stealth between pulls

[glass mortar]

Doesn't matter they all suck

Pick a 4 fun one

[winged depot]

why's that?

Oh

got it

[white marten]

Met a mage tank in a 12 prio today 🥰

[hybrid crown]

New mage tank meta no wonder they keep getting invited over outlaw

[white marten]

No idea how that guy ended up with a 12

[weary fog]

Time to nerf pwar damage again

[white marten]

Dude was pumpin ngl, the pulls were rather small too

I’m over here grilling the mage meanwhile the healer doing 0 damage

[lilac jungle]

Hi everyone!
I have a question about Tricks of the Trade with the "One Hour" talent in M+:

If I cast Tricks of the Trade on the tank at the start of the dungeon with the "One Hour" talent, does all the threat I generate get transferred to the tank on all subsequent packs as long as the buff is active? Or do I need to recast Tricks on the tank for each new pack to transfer threat properly?

Thanks a lot for your help!

[fallen knot]

all threat for 1 hour on that specific tank

if you die you need to reapply it

[lilac jungle]

ok cool thanks you 🙂

[azure vortex]

What head enchant? Don't ping the pins please, I want to know what tippydtop players use

[hybrid crown]

I think it changes to the 1 hour buff as soon as threat is actually misdirected

[sharp sand]

For roll the bones: roll if less than 4 buffs OR if you have the GCD reduction buff leave it as is, even if you have only 1-3 buffs?

[bronze parcel]

twlight dev too cool fuck it if i pulls not my problem babyy

[rotund zodiac]

what's the best way to heal between packs in horrific visions?

[hybrid crown]

Anyone else still spam tot out of muscle memory anyways ?

I can't help it lol

[rotund zodiac]

what's ToT?

[sharp sand]

Tricks

[rotund zodiac]

oh

yea, I still spam it idk why

[fallen knot]

i put feint in tricks bind so i spam that instead

[vivid vessel]

ye i do

[glass mortar]

There is no gcd reduction buff

But no for ho it's roll unless you have 5 buffs, for kir it's more involved but the rules r in the faq

I believe it's something like roll anytime you will lose 2 or less buffs idk

Can't open easily on mobile

[gaunt phoenix]

The pins aren't wrong or not in accordance to what players are doing

[red zinc]

[gaunt phoenix]

Twilight dev is like 1% more overall but you risk pulling shit

[red zinc]

motherlode is probably the only dungeon where it happens

[reef forge]

im yet to pull anything, sticking to it until i deplete a key

[red zinc]

trash before 2nd and 3rd boss is stacked a lil too closely

but yeah its rare so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

i think i did it in floodgate once

[red zinc]

impressive

i mean i guess its possible if you have weird tanking there but usually you pull whole areas at once there so it doesnt matter as much

the drills in motherlode are a lil more of a problem

[white marten]

Yeah i haven’t pulled anything either, can’t wait until it happens

It’d be funny

[zealous plinth]

We can still position that way that TD doesn’t pull no?

[cinder relic]

If you want to constantly remember that, go ahead

[zealous plinth]

It’s gonna be Like KS, sometimes we just fuck up

[white marten]

Bro its hilarious when youre the last alive after a wipe and the mobs still dont attack you because theyre running towards the tank back at spawn 💀🤣

[red zinc]

it happens like one in a few hundred motherlode runs

i really wouldnt be that worried

[vale warren]

We don't exactly get to choose where we're positioned a lot of the time

[white marten]

Specially during KS

[zealous plinth]

Most of the time I can

Just not during KS that’s right

[mighty pivot]

if you pull more it was the outlaw god's will

[fallen knot]

i'm pretty sure i pulled in cinderbrew last week twice

with tdev

[vivid vessel]

Till it proc during ks

[zealous plinth]

I’ll still gonna try it after my vacation

[glass mortar]

1% more overall vs potential to brick a key at any point randomly

very nice trade deal

[vivid vessel]

Wish I could untalent ks for 1% less damage

[zealous plinth]

How far does TD travel? I’ll just blame my tank

[glass mortar]

like 15 or 20 yards if its the same as bfa

i havent played it yet myself

[zealous plinth]

So you all play gushing?^^

[glass mortar]

i do

zac does

[ancient cobalt]

chat the knuckles dropped in raid and nobody needed them anymore 🥳

[proven ocean]

ok

[near rock]

u didnt give them to switching?

he needs a 2nd pair

[sudden cypress]

Is there a way to cancel killing spree?

[jolly geyser]

dying

[sudden cypress]

😂

[vagrant island]

Is Mythic Junkmaestro simbait over Mister Lock-n-Stalk? According to sim it's a 0.8% upgrade on FB KIR ST, and 2.1% on Trickster KS Dungeon Slice.

Mister Lock-n-Stalk has consistenly done 3-4% of my overall damage in dungeons (without uptimizing AoE/ST)

[livid pewter]

tell me how you die in ks

[jolly geyser]

heartattack

[frail veldt]

Stagger bugs

[cinder relic]

Or the hit is too big

[cinder relic]

Not bait

[vagrant zenith]

hi sorry for the question, but is it worth put, ghostly strike with between or dispatch, in a makro?

[frail veldt]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[vagrant zenith]

ok thanks 🙂

[sullen walrus]

best raid build boys?

[stiff glade]

Chech the faq

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

u think dark iron dwarf good option btw?

[inner meadow]

@vivid vessel oh my

ur so hot

[vivid vessel]

Wtf is that

Is that not just dwarf but better

[vivid vessel]

Ty cuh

[inner meadow]

wanna kiss?

[ancient cobalt]

he didn’t roll for it bro

[vivid vessel]

No!

[inner meadow]

whaa

[proven ocean]

well

it does sound better ye if i do dispell something its a big dps gain i guess

i can abuse that on 2nd mini boss in priory

get bleed into send cds

but idk

sounds sketchy

[red zinc]

That trinket doesnt have mainstat so it has to do some damage for it to even be close to being good

Still not a good trinket though, only sims well if you’re lacking haste (locknstalk that is)

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel is this good btw or

[red zinc]

naw

[proven ocean]

how much hp does tauren give

?

[red zinc]

I think its like 3k stamina

Whatever that is in %

[proven ocean]

u sure its 3k

that sounds rly low

[desert tendon]

It s 1% right?

1 stam = 100hp

Before health amp and stuff

I think

[red zinc]

Afaik its flat amount that scales with level not ilvl

so it sucks later on

[desert tendon]

Yea

I remember back in bfa it was

1 stam= 1 hit point before lvl 10

And 1 stam = 60 hit points lvl 110

[vivid vessel]

Wtf they made zeross into a mount

[desert tendon]

Can hover stam in char pannel anyway

Should ne the ratio there

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

[red zinc]

so its like 0.5%

hp

dookie

[red zinc]

its 1 stam is 20 hp

[stuck sparrow]

you guys are comparing

tauren racial

with a highmountain one

[harsh forge]

TWILIGHT DEV GANG

[red zinc]

that is what is happening yes

whats the issue

[harsh forge]

who cares abt ninja pulls the arcane mage is already doing it

[stuck sparrow]

oh hes comparing the two taurens

yeah dark iron doesnt have crit damage passive

[late swallow]

@vivid vessel can you add your haste percentages to your youtube video descriptions?

[runic bough]

I'm the only one who puts haste on the dps meter

But I havnt had any crazy overall yet

[white marten]

Best outlaw race = Kultiran confirmed

[runic bough]

I'm thinking of switching to goblin for the alchemy and haste

[white marten]

Na dont

Kultiran for extra cc

[runic bough]

What cc

[prisma heron]

I love high mountain for bull rush on m+

[white marten]

Haymaker

[latent oak]

have u seen goblin stealth animation

[runic bough]

Yeah I like the aoe stun on tauren

[latent oak]

its so good

u scooby doo walk

[prisma heron]

Not fitting through doors while mounted is always a nightmare as Tauren though

[runic bough]

If goblin feet weren't so big, I would like their MOG better.

But they feet too big

[latent oak]

go buy one of these, and stealth ryu

[stuck sparrow]

i never seen anyone play kultiran

[hollow temple]

is it like the Aeron?

[stuck sparrow]

besides pvp andys using the knock for rbgs

[runic bough]

They tip toe ive seen it

[stuck sparrow]

And yes you can haymaker people off cliffs

[white marten]

Kultirian heritage mog is bis for outlaw

[stuck sparrow]

Just use either plunderstorm set

[runic bough]

Kultiran gets vers?

Might be good

[white marten]

Mhmmm

A WHOLE 1% bro

Let that sink in

Get it..

SINK

😂🤣

[runic bough]

Alliance own the world pvp on my realm also so that would be nice quality of life there

[white marten]

Only downside to Kultirian is that 90% of mogs look terrible due to large midsection

[runic bough]

But if I went alliance I would just go night elf prob

[white marten]

Boring

[runic bough]

Or dwarf

[prisma heron]

I tried a gnome warrior cause I’ve always wanted to play one.

Was doing bgs and hearing “for thr alliance” made me cringe so hard I had to swap back to horde.

[hollow temple]

Night Elf > All for triple meld

[white marten]

My rogue is a gnome

Its fun

[runic bough]

Awang is gnome too

[white marten]

Gnome is BIS

[runic bough]

Gnome rogues are rare

[white marten]

Extra energy ftw

[runic bough]

Body the size of a basketball

[white marten]

Female gnomes at that

My sword is bigger than me

[stuck sparrow]

pretty sure all the sweaty pvp warriors play gnome

something about 1min root break racial being better

[white marten]

Tiny feet- hard to get caught in trap

[lime lake]

they play gnome because the uglier you look in pvp the better

its a mental warfare thing

[blissful idol]

for raid capo over nightfall cudgel on all bosses right

[runic bough]

Yes

[white marten]

Proposal for KS redesign: Make KS similar to Reapers Ult in Overwatch 2. Include the dialogue too.

[jolly geyser]

the classic

[white marten]

I wanna hear my gnome scream “die die die!!” As they spin around shooting their guns into a swirl and die

[lime lake]

daring today arent we

[jolly geyser]

make KS your char T pose in place and do dmg

[white marten]

Saw a warrior complaining about Demolish the other day, saying “This is what KS must feel”. Like, no brother, its MUCH worse.

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/tpose-pose-animal-gif-19765307

[frail veldt]

I would love demolish in replacement of KS tbh

that would feel amazing

[white marten]

Same

[vivid vessel]

i will not

settle

for dogshit poop

[desert tendon]

Réname it Tilting spree

[vivid vessel]

give me a real ability

now

[frail veldt]

is demolish even dogshit?

im assuming you cant move during it right

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

eh

still better than what we have

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frail veldt]

but yeah id prefer a non shit solution

[vivid vessel]

still dog

[frail veldt]

sure

[vivid vessel]

https://youtu.be/TaHvbl3nnQw?si=pBd5KxW_RiEL_9MM&t=479 @desert tendon

[white marten]

New ability “Call for a cannon barrage from your ship at your target location”

[vivid vessel]

first time i made it with a killing spree clip

[crisp condor]

Don't mind if I do

[vivid vessel]

where i dont die

[jolly geyser]

I mean gz

[desert tendon]

Pog zac

Not dying

[vivid vessel]

[desert tendon]

Nerf outlaw

[vivid vessel]

not dead ! !

[desert tendon]

Cant die anymorz

[fallen knot]

lie

[desert tendon]

Too strong

[frail veldt]

wow that doesnt kill you?

[fallen knot]

you made it in bandit aswell

[frail veldt]

did you cloak?

[fallen knot]

where you get hit by a billion things

[vivid vessel]

no

[fallen knot]

and not die

[frail veldt]

just healer heal?

[desert tendon]

The oab ks

10s of stun

Not dead

Broken

Go nerf

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its ridiculous mewo

just healer heal

[red zinc]

get silly wit it

[frail veldt]

oh

8.6% every .25 seconds right?

[vivid vessel]

.5

[frail veldt]

wait

how does that make sense

[vivid vessel]

i died right after btw from the same shit cause i pressed ks too late like a noob

[frail veldt]

if its over 6 seconds

so 12 ticks at 8.6%

[vivid vessel]

8

[frail veldt]

oh that barely kills you

like baaarely 1 shots

[vivid vessel]

ye cause im feinting it

[white marten]

Increase it to 16secs tbh

[red zinc]

HES FEEINNTTING FOR MOREEEEEEEE 🦅

[frail veldt]

yeah then you get broken out of stealth for 16 seconds after a pack

lol

[white marten]

Imagine not chain pulling

[runic bough]

Killing Spree damage increased by 100%. Now it's actually worth using to risk suicide.

[gaunt phoenix]

ks is already really good

[frail veldt]

no ryu

weve talked about this

it would feel worse

if it did more damage

[runic bough]

I dont care what you say

Its weak

[frail veldt]

its not weak

at all

[vivid vessel]

ryu

you are so stupid

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

toxic

[frail veldt]

tru

[vivid vessel]

mb

[frail veldt]

too far zac

[runic bough]

Yeah zac

[frail veldt]

stfu ryu

[white marten]

Yeah zac

[vivid vessel]

@runic bough i apologize

[runic bough]

Ty ty

[white marten]

Apologize to me too

[vivid vessel]

no

[runic bough]

[red zinc]

good job saying that zac

[frail veldt]

but fr though buffing KS would suck ass

[red zinc]

proud of you

[frail veldt]

youd be more incentivized to risk death constantly

[runic bough]

We still can't use it nothing would change on mechanics

That make you hold it

[frail veldt]

it would make you lose MORE dps when you cant press it

[runic bough]

Nothing would change

[frail veldt]

thats worse

it would change

[runic bough]

You still can't press it on mechanics how is it changing

[frail veldt]

you lose less now

than you would if you buffed it 100%

[fallen knot]

is it me or i feel way more of an griefer when i use ks in raid than when i use it in m+?

[frail veldt]

it doesnt feel too bad to hold ks rn

which is good

cuz it kills yoiu

[runic bough]

You are overthinking mewo

[frail veldt]

if you buff KS

you make it feel WORSE

to hold it

which makes playing the spec worse

[frail veldt]

im really not

im thinking about it correctly

[runic bough]

No comment

[fallen knot]

think about having to hold AR for whatever reason now

it would be the same

without it you cant play the spec

[frail veldt]

yeah holding/losing adr sucks cuz its such high value

like imagine if KS gave you quadruple the cdr

sure it would make KS feel better when you can press it

but it would make it feel WORSE when you cant

thats the issue

is the fact that you cant press it sometimes

you dont want to make that feel worse

thats what youre suggesting

[red zinc]

fighting an unwinnable battle

[white marten]

Holy! Found another mage tank! They’re everywhere!

[frail veldt]

fr fr

[runic bough]

Ks shouldn't be such a long active time though. Making it longer per cp was the troll of the century.

[frail veldt]

thats a totally different discussion

[red zinc]

nah that was a different occurence that happened about 25-30 years ago

[jolly geyser]

they should make it longer

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

u dont have to censor names

[red zinc]

he does ill dm the mages otherwise

[frail veldt]

lolol

[white marten]

Its to keep timmy from dming the mages

Declining every pug mage moving forward

Triple outlaw comp is bis anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

it's triple sub now

[white marten]

What?!

[red zinc]

nerf sub

[white marten]

Sub is slapping now?

[red zinc]

they buffed it twice on accident

5% x2

[white marten]

💀

[late hill]

Can someone remind how is the talent called which generates combo points after pressing blade flurry?

[gaunt phoenix]

deft maneuvers

[runic bough]

Triple sub kills boss after opener now

[white marten]

That is such a blizzard thing to do

[runic bough]

Time to practice more sub this weekend

[red zinc]

pulling my druid through a boost rn so i can be a turret while i scream at my social raiders

going to be a banger

[jolly geyser]

all druid grp the best

[red zinc]

feels strong man

[white marten]

Can they accidentally buff outlaw by 10% too?

We still wouldnt be meta

[gaunt phoenix]

they kind of did

[runic bough]

How

[white marten]

How?

[gaunt phoenix]

29 days ago

[white marten]

Oh

Do it again.

[runic bough]

Coup bug?

[white marten]

Big fixes go a long way

[gaunt phoenix]

No the bf and gm bugs

[runic bough]

Thats not a buff

That's just working as intended finally

[gaunt phoenix]

Bf bugfix was significantly more impactful than we expected

Gm was accidentally made 20% multiplicative instead of 10% additive

Which is better

[runic bough]

Gm is the thing then

[jolly geyser]

its grand

[vivid vessel]

barely tho

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[white marten]

Barely better

[runic bough]

The sub buff was for all ability

[vivid vessel]

i mean outlaw doesnt need a buff

its pretty insane rn

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean be real outlaw gained like 15% overall overnight

[frail veldt]

lolol

[mighty pivot]

sub was in the gutter

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think blizz expected that

[white marten]

Dont say that outloud

[frail veldt]

howd they manage to do that

[vivid vessel]

idk

[frail veldt]

20% multiplicative is insane

[vivid vessel]

its not like it was op either

[red zinc]

its really not

[vivid vessel]

there is 3 people playing outlaw rn

[red zinc]

its like a few % gain when pc is maxed out

otherwise it barely matters

[frail veldt]

yeah my aoe damage went up like 30% I swear

[mighty pivot]

20% multi isn't that much different than 10% additive

[frail veldt]

bruther what

[white marten]

I feel pretty OP whenever im gapping the average pug by over 1m overall

[fluid iron]

Nerf outlaw and buff aug

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not that different in the context of how gm is applied

[red zinc]

normally not the case but in this one it is

someone did the math a while back

[gaunt phoenix]

just an example of funny accidental buff

[frail veldt]

how would it not be different

[jolly geyser]

make aug meta again

[red zinc]

it is different

[frail veldt]

considering how many BF bonuses we have

[red zinc]

just not vastly

[vivid vessel]

it only is interesting at low target

basically

[red zinc]

goated

[vivid vessel]

and its not insane there either

[frail veldt]

Yeah I figure with PC it would be a lot

[vivid vessel]

i mena

[frail veldt]

6.67% is way less than I thought wow

[vivid vessel]

dude just send the numbers

[gaunt phoenix]

It means at 2 targets we do 120% instead of 112.5%, that is the best case

[red zinc]

the numbers are literally above us zac

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[vivid vessel]

i know

[frail veldt]

I figured the multiplicative would scale from the trickster damage bonus

[vivid vessel]

i said it

[white marten]

Lets
Just all reroll sub. Its braindead anyways. St rotation all the time, ezpz

[red zinc]

oh you mean sent

my fault

[vivid vessel]

ye

i cant talk english

[red zinc]

im being a bitchis fine

[vivid vessel]

not my first language

im noob

first timing

[white marten]

Spanish if his first

[red zinc]

but yeah they were fixing the gm snapshotting shit and did this on accident

or maybe this is what fixed it

i have no clue

[jolly geyser]

isnt zac belgian

[gaunt phoenix]

zac is austrian

[red zinc]

would be funny if additive buffs snapshotted and multiplicative didnt or some weird shit

[white marten]

Zac is Argentinean iirc

[frail veldt]

oh yeah maybe they only have retroactive buffing for multiplicative effects

[frail veldt]

yeah literally this lol

I would NOT be surprised hahahaha

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-shrimp-australian-bbq-gday-gif-25896452

[frail veldt]

if theres other things in the game with this issue

[vivid vessel]

what

i swear zac was german

[mighty pivot]

yeah nimble flurry is the only reason it got better compared to before, it's just not as big of a boost because there aren't many modifiers in place

[jolly geyser]

thats australian

[sharp hinge]

youve never seen the movie have you

thats the whole point

[jolly geyser]

oh ye,forgor

[gaunt phoenix]

noob

[vivid vessel]

noob

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

oh

[frail veldt]

and if our BF percent gets increased for whatever reason then the 20% becomes even more valuable IG

[vivid vessel]

io need to do

the shit thing

[frail veldt]

but also vice versa does that mean that fatebound got even worse

[vivid vessel]

gsuy

[frail veldt]

due to the change

[gaunt phoenix]

ye a bit

[vivid vessel]

how do i speedrung the head thingy

fastest way

[frail veldt]

cuz fatebound baseline BF is lower so the additive was actually better htan the multiplicative

[jolly geyser]

do 4 visions

[frail veldt]

fatebound nerfs l ol

[mighty pivot]

it should be the same without nimble

[vivid vessel]

whats a vision

guys what do i take

[jolly geyser]

middle

[vivid vessel]

someone tell me optimal tree now !! !

[trim vigil]

[vivid vessel]

next !

[mighty pivot]

because PC is additive anyway, so flurry (non-PC) is 60% with GM for fatebound no matter how it works

[jolly geyser]

left

[gaunt phoenix]

what does the left do again

[latent oak]

@zac whats ur duskthread lining uptime like in keys

(@zac)

[hybrid crown]

Damage done damage take

It seems kinda useless if u have good gear esp if you aren't stacking a bunch of masks

[vivid vessel]

ws 20

[hybrid crown]

I'm gonna wait to max the tree before I mess with 8 masks

[latent oak]

sick

[vivid vessel]

ws 19

[latent oak]

includes out of combat time in logs right

[vivid vessel]

ml 20

[gaunt phoenix]

@zac (@zac)

[vivid vessel]

brew 19

but ye it include out of combat tho

which is maybe not great

[latent oak]

@gaunt phoenix @zac (@zac)

[vivid vessel]

i wish you could only include in combat in wwcl

but idk

it seems impossible to do for them

for some reason ?????

[latent oak]

u can do it with dps

at least

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

i mean you can prolly just do a filter with their code thingy

idk why its not just an option tho

[gaunt phoenix]

there is nothing that distinguishes what combat really means i think

[vivid vessel]

ye there is

only include when a mob in in combat

which is

when he is taking damage

[latent oak]

it works here

[vivid vessel]

there is events idk

this is active its a bit different i think

but ye

[gaunt phoenix]

but you can be standing there out of range right

[vivid vessel]

yes

but no

most of the times

like 99% of the times

when a mob is in comabt

you are in combat

or you are in combat the next second

doesnt matter

the only exceptions are like

[mighty pivot]

the combat log event which indicates entering combat isn't logged afaik

[vivid vessel]

ML when the tank gather all the bombs

and you afk 30s

thats legit it

[mighty pivot]

you only get encounter start

[vivid vessel]

yes but you dont care about that

details does it for example

its really not hard lol

is a mob taking damage ?

combat start

no mob taking damage for more than 2/3 seconds or whatever

combat stop

whatever

its so easy dude

just do it

they litteraly

do it already

btw

like my guy

this is

combat only

they just refuse to make an actual filter

and if you select stuffs like trash only

the uptimes get all fucked aswell

idk

they dont care about m+ logs so

its useless

what can you do

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

ye

[mighty pivot]

yeah the way they present m+ data is very weird

[vivid vessel]

idk why there isnt a thing to exclude out of combat time xd

its so stupid

• i hate

how they do ranking

its stupid aswell

so look

i take random key

here im doing 4079 dps

[hybrid crown]

Key level trumps dps

[vivid vessel]

i go into ranking

and its lower

because

in there its damage / time counting deaths

for some reason ?

[hybrid crown]

Oh

[vivid vessel]

while inside the log you see just normal logged time

[crisp condor]

Is that what the discrepancy is?! God damn

Thanks

[vivid vessel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AqwCNLXP81y9cxZ4?fight=9&type=damage-done

wtf

they doing weird shit again

healer is dps for first pack

[red zinc]

Wait on that pack

[vivid vessel]

ye there is a lot of damage idk

[red zinc]

that thing kinda cranks unless they dont play voidrider

[vivid vessel]

they do

[crisp condor]

Assumed it was Vigil carrying the HPS but it's kinda everybody huh

[vivid vessel]

boomie health barely going down

ok tbf

second one

they kidna get close

lol

but ye

i guess rthey just survive with 0 helaing the aoe

[latent oak]

healers cosmetic role

[honest sparrow]

Both sp and boomie should do really decent healing with cds bl and their offhealing stuff no?

[crisp condor]

VE + Vigil doing about 950k HPS across that pull is pretty good

[red zinc]

If can you

[red zinc]

wish there was a way for them to remove this shit but

if they remove this people cant switch off raid talents anymore either

idk

[vivid vessel]

bruh

i hate

fucking

visions

why has it changed

idk shit

its too hard

!

[bright crane]

Really?

I thought it was p easy with 1 mask

[minor cedar]

Go fatebound and zoom

[vivid vessel]

no im not stupid

bro think i wanna be doing 20 % less dps !

aint no wae !

[minor cedar]

I DO IT FOR SPEED

[bright crane]

What’s fb got to do with speed tho

[minor cedar]

4 grapples and I skip most of it

[bright crane]

Legit did a full clear with 1 mask (dark imagination) and never got below 50% insanity with 3 orbs left

Ez pz

Rofl the 4 grapples is bait you don’t spend enough time moving between areas for 4 grapples to matter

[mighty pivot]

i used the mask which buffs nearby mobs when one dies with 1 mask because everything dies in a couple globals anyway

[bright crane]

There’s like 3 or 4 that are incredibly ez

Just don’t use long night

[mighty pivot]

orgrimmar was more annoying to speedrun just for the quest items than stormwind though

[bright crane]

I think the one that leaves pools behind you is whack for melee

[vivid vessel]

i have that one idk

[weary fog]

Isn’t that like the hardest one

[mighty pivot]

that's maybe the worst but it should still be fine tbh

with 3 charges of lightball

[stuck sparrow]

yeah its the worst one

[bright crane]

Oh bro Zac

[weary fog]

I had it on and didn’t realize it when I farmed the enchant

[bright crane]

Literally use any other mask

And you’ll clear it without an issue

[stuck sparrow]

you need that one to get the others

though

[jolly geyser]

can do them without mask,just do the 2 big drain areas

[red zinc]

zac why are you even using masks

you dont give a fuck about cosmetics

[jolly geyser]

for greater head thing

[bright crane]

You also need it for the void cycle

[red zinc]

a mount is not a cosmetic

!!

[stuck sparrow]

you need to do both sw and org for nemesis mask

though

2 of the masks are clear the harder zones with a mask on

[vivid vessel]

ok i won one

[vivid vessel]

isnt it faster

idk

i was told

[red zinc]

not for enchants

doesnt matter for those

[vivid vessel]

bro idk

im clueless

[sharp hinge]

solo full clears take like 8 minutes

[red zinc]

just clear the 2 big areas

and then kill boss

4 times

thats all

no masks required

[sharp hinge]

and you dont even need to orb at all during the no mask full clear

[vivid vessel]

4 times ??

[red zinc]

for this quest yes

[sharp hinge]

its 2 bloods each run

[vivid vessel]

ok

[honest sparrow]

you dont need to kill the last boss if you dont want to spend that 1 min doing him

[red zinc]

how else do you end it

[stuck sparrow]

masks give the mobs more hp

and damage

[lime lake]

you can just die

[honest sparrow]

You can go out of border and die and ported out

[lime lake]

run out of bounds or something

[honest sparrow]

its just silly but its a time gain if you completly hate that stuff

[stuck sparrow]

most of the masks are chill

besides long night

and daredevil

[rotund zodiac]

how do you not get hit by the elite hulk guy in ogrimmar vision?

the one that toss you

[vivid vessel]

waht do i do in this one

i dont get it

there is nothing

[jolly geyser]

rexar

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you just run to the end and kill rexar, the mobs are just there

[proven ocean]

kill these bosses

zac

[vivid vessel]

there is no one

[proven ocean]

red dots

and big red

bro

the

big

red

kill it

[hybrid crown]

Why tf does rexar do like 20x more damage than anything else in the vision

[proven ocean]

b

r

o

t

h

e

r

u need more arrows?

[vivid vessel]

there is no mob there but ok

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

literally

move ur camera right

from where ur facing

in that pic

[stuck sparrow]

thats the easy zone

dont you just run down

and kill every big bozo

[lime lake]

thats rexar zone

[mighty pivot]

defeated by recycled content

[vivid vessel]

i killed every mob

[stuck sparrow]

i mean rexxar's zone hurts

[lime lake]

hes definitely in the building

[stuck sparrow]

but the place itself is simple

conceptually

[lime lake]

run up the hill brother

[vivid vessel]

ah

ok

[mighty pivot]

go where teh dummies are

[vivid vessel]

i mean why doesnt it show on mab

this is stupid

wahteer

cringe content

for noobs

[stuck sparrow]

i mean there is one pathway

that isnt blocked off

[rotund zodiac]

run up the hill

[gaunt phoenix]

and make a deal with god

[lime lake]

kill rexar and killing spree gets reworked

[vivid vessel]

BVRO I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS SHIT CONTENT

[jolly geyser]

wdym look at quest and use your eyes

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-felt-like-running-gif-22031078

[rotund zodiac]

do you guys know how to not get tossed by this elite guy?

idk how to dodge it and it makes me lose sanity

[lime lake]

i'd let him toss me anyday

[vivid vessel]

someone link a mdt

i cba

[jolly geyser]

wdym

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean get out of my screen

[surreal flower]

This you just gotta take it

[vivid vessel]

there is a rat on my screen bro ! ! ! !

[rotund zodiac]

what a shit mechanic

[stuck sparrow]

i remembered in bfa

[vivid vessel]

there isnt even a timer in these shit dungeons ! !

[stuck sparrow]

you just pulled the hulk

[vivid vessel]

I cant deplete ! !

[stuck sparrow]

during the no sanity loss proc

[mighty pivot]

he's losing rl sanity

[surreal flower]

Ya that or drop an orb for him

[daring oxide]

kill him quickly with vexie trinket

[stuck sparrow]

which you'll probably have enough points to get next week

its the last talent in the tree

[surreal flower]

Someone in my guild said you can spec swap in there so you just go sub and blow him up and then back to law

[stuck sparrow]

i would advise getting the wa to check which pot is 100 sanity

you might need it this week

to 8

[gusty cipher]

!prepull

[daring oxide]

I have a feeling KS rework announcement this week

[gusty cipher]

!pre

[surreal flower]

Sanity is kinda a joke with nemesis mask

[stuck sparrow]

that too

[surreal flower]

Every time you kill gamon you get a stimmy

[daring oxide]

whats a stimmy

[rotund zodiac]

gotta plan ur adds kill with nemesis mask tho

don't want him to interrupt big pull

[stuck sparrow]

just be low enough that it always gives you sanity

[vivid vessel]

shittiest experience ever

[surreal flower]

Stimulus

[vivid vessel]

best experience ever

[surreal flower]

That flowing time one made me think I was lagging before I read it lmao

[rotund zodiac]

I hate it

🤢

[vivid vessel]

not readuing debuffs ?

haha

noob

[surreal flower]

Had me asking in guild if world ms was bad for anyone else

[vivid vessel]

is there a way to get 3 in a single run

i have an odd number rn

[gaunt phoenix]

dont think so

[vivid vessel]

shit game !!!!!

[silver mica]

needs more exclamation marks zachary

[proven ocean]

ye

but

not u

cuh

[inner stump]

my workaround for this guy is clearing his section first

that way you'll have max sanity

and you can tank 1-2 throws

[rotund zodiac]

[cinder relic]

P sure u cant

He just does that

I did a 6 mask and used a single orb so like

Sanity is such a non issue with nemesis mask

[inner stump]

how do u unlock that one btw

[cinder relic]

Kill hogger, and kill gamon

[haughty wigeon]

had to kill hogger in sw

[cinder relic]

they drop a shard, combine shard, get mask

[haughty wigeon]

and gamon in org

[inner stump]

ah fuck

next week then

[haughty wigeon]

ya im kinda fucked too

nemesis is so free with level 2 elite extermination

[inner stump]

I also skipped gamon, gotta kill him

[leaden folio]

oh no

i didnt coach zac for vision today

[sullen walrus]

some good macros for outlaw?

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[gaunt phoenix]

there are not many

/cast [bonusbar:1, known:Hidden Opportunity] Ambush; Sinister Strike
replace ss with ambush during stealth

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
swap offhands between cudgel and whatever your better offhand is for bosses in keys 
 ```/cast [@cursor] Grappling Hook``` 
self explanatory
```/cast Ghostly Strike
/cast Sinister Strike```
you can macro ghostly strike into everything (ss/ps/disp/bte/...)

[dark fractal]

The /cast [bonusbar:1, known:Hidden Opportunity] Ambush; Sinister Strike not having issue like in sub with shadowstrike/backstab?

[gaunt phoenix]

stance delay is not an issue because we hardly ever vanish into ambush

[crisp condor]

Given Capo is only used in keys for the ST moments, is it worth putting Depths on it vs. Radiant Power?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea sure

[hexed whale]

does someone has the weapon swap weakaura?

[gaunt phoenix]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[hexed whale]

🙏🏻

[young lion]

hi everyone,
in raid is KiR better than HO ?

[cursive lichen]

Which two Curseblade weapons are best for me to use as an Outlaw?

[bright crane]

U talking about cudgel?

[frail veldt]

They're both insanely close

[heavy shadow]

was a bit surprised to see Capo simmed less

I guess it's the jackpot m+ weap wise

[cursive lichen]

the weapons you can buy with radiant emblem of service

[harsh forge]

depends on ur stats and situation. kir tends to do better overall in keys but ho can be better single target / prio. mostly preference

[bright crane]

Cudgel is the only one that matters for m+ trash

[gaunt phoenix]

the mace

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1368290841998917832/image.png?ex=6838a526&is=683753a6&hm=b92bf32073fd442e271f2c6395a9441a53d7deccccaac7f73e906cec660d3397&

[sharp hinge]

yall actually use that?

[gaunt phoenix]

yerp

[cursive lichen]

And what should I use as my second weapon?

[harsh forge]

it’s like >1% ish better overall dmg in keys

[leaden folio]

solo

[bright crane]

Whatever the highest 1h ilvl weapon u have

[leaden folio]

infinite star scale better than other on long fight like gally ?

[bright crane]

Ideally with vers/haste or vers/crit

[harsh forge]

probably not since it doesn’t infinitely stack anymore nailo

[gaunt phoenix]

your main hand is mythic 684 or crafted 681.

your offhand is the cudgel on trash, and can be capo's molten knuckles or crafted for bosses. you use a macro to swap between them

[leaden folio]

the sim on pin message is 6min ?

[cursive lichen]

Even if it is a dagger? I haven't played in a long time, back then the maximum damage of the main hand was important

[young lion]

aight thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

dagger offhand is fine

just weapon dps matters

[gaunt phoenix]

this is 10 minutes

[cursive lichen]

ok thx

[gaunt phoenix]

so seems not

or not enough to matter

oh at 6 stacks it resets

Lol

[leaden folio]

oh wtf

ok

new infinite star is cringe

[harsh forge]

a lot of fights you’ll end up playing KIR anyway since you have to play fatebound or wipe the raid

[young lion]

i just went for the wowhead build for each boss, and they're all HO

so i was wondering why

[gaunt phoenix]

most bosses have some form of aoe / blade flurry damage

oh they are HO cause HO is easy

most bosses have some form of aoe, which makes Trickster win

but HO trickster vs KIR trickster is not really different, maybe HO is slightly favored in raid

& HO is way easier to play than KIR

[sharp sand]

True Bearing

[glass mortar]

thats cdr

[young lion]

i see, thanks :)

[sharp sand]

Is global cooldown reduction not the same thing

[glass mortar]

gcd is what AR does

lets u cast abilities faster

[gaunt phoenix]

nah gcd is your time between globals

[sharp sand]

Oh

Mb

[vapid sundial]

I guess this was to stop giga stupid high roll

[gaunt phoenix]

Ye

[stuck sparrow]

Just play td

What other corruption gives you funny purple beams

[vapid sundial]

Nah if I come back I'm a gusher

I love gushing

[sharp sand]

Faq

[gaunt phoenix]

Faq

[sharp sand]

!faq

[vivid vessel]

faq

[sharp sand]

Sigh

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw-faq

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/gush-squirt-water-gif-15516329

[vivid vessel]

i too dont read the faq

useless !

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah but TD lets a beam merk random critters

when im doing wq

!

im convinced the damage is split though

or severely nerfed

[vapid sundial]

Sorry I only want to kill those with trickster and swap back to fate bound

So I get infinite cp

[gaunt phoenix]

the damage is 0.65x worse per target

[vapid sundial]

Zac!

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah i figured they would add a countermeasure

because if td had aoe potential while being comparable to the others on st

can bf proc gush on other targets

[gaunt phoenix]

rarely

[vapid sundial]

Zac!
If I decided to come back and push for title as ho.
Gushing or what @vivid vessel

[gaunt phoenix]

Bf can proc anything on other targets

[vivid vessel]

i play gushing cause it cant boddy pull

yes

[vapid sundial]

Figured

[gaunt phoenix]

but gusher is still rppm so its not like bf gives more net procs

[vivid vessel]

wait gusher

get stolen

by bf

its not even prio ?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

rarely

[vivid vessel]

why rarely

if bf can proc it

[vapid sundial]

Since I'm not wf key pushing I should be good to just play ho yes

[gaunt phoenix]

you know

[vivid vessel]

you have as much chance proccing it in aoe

than target

[gaunt phoenix]

it rolls the main target first

[vivid vessel]

if you like doing 0 damage ye

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[gaunt phoenix]

All rppm effects are still likely to hit the main target

i always forget how it works exactly

but its not like bf spreads it randomly

[vivid vessel]

you roll target first then if it doesnt proc you roll every other target so like

more chance to not go on your main target no ?

[vapid sundial]

I asked you about this yesterday!!!!

You bozo

[vivid vessel]

waht did i say

[gaunt phoenix]

you'd have to ask lok how it works

[vapid sundial]

"you can prolly play ho its fine"

[vivid vessel]

true

thats the answer i give to noobas

[vapid sundial]

You're noobas

[crisp condor]

What in the horrific visions shit is this? It was up at like 38s