outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Cursor GCD

Is what I typed

Sus

Idk

[glass mortar]

wait

this is a warlods of draenor WA

no wonder it wasnt showing up i was searching for retail

[vivid vessel]

I mean ye

[glass mortar]

6 year old WA

guess if it works it works

[vivid vessel]

It's from 2019

[glass mortar]

whats the outer ring

theres like no info on the wago page

[final sluice]

This is defently a bad effect for outlaw in general also in addtion to our "bis" offhand #dastardly duos

[winged depot]

Can i play KIR while llving at 14% haste or iis it gonna be bad?

[glass mortar]

its gunna be bad

thats enough haste to play kir with a haste flask tho

[hasty warren]

you want 18% at least

[vivid vessel]

What's that

[hasty warren]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hasty warren]

but y u can yake a flack to balance it

[winged depot]

kay thanks. I got armor from the AH and mostly bought stuff with Haste & Crit (& Agility)
iis it okay to have bad stats while lvliing?

I'm at 69

[glass mortar]

stats literally dont matter while leveling

the spec doesnt really function like it does at max level until u have all ur talents at 70

[final sluice]

https://youtu.be/K7HDwLkqnWE

[glass mortar]

just pick highest agility highest vers pieces while leveling

and play HO

[hasty warren]

I've a weird question : Am I dumb using KS right before flood saw blades to put it away from me ?

[winged depot]

okie ty

[glass mortar]

ur crazy if ur playing kir to level

(or zac)

[hasty warren]

real man

[glass mortar]

its just worse in every single possible way

[winged depot]

I mean i just thought i might get better used/learn it while lvling, not to optimize dmg just to get into the rotation

But I barely know what they do so I'll just follow advice here

[lime plank]

hmmmm

If i planned to OS at any point and I dont raid much do yall think Eye is worth

[haughty wigeon]

twlight dev chads rise

i knew from the start

bis enchant

no matter what big tc says

[sharp hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qMwqxfVvyMdeQj2mBwpjyt

zee thug simming better than eye?

dont mind my aoe talents on an st sim

or is it because of gem change too

[runic bough]

Hmm

Imagine if they didn't nerf s1 trinkets

They would probably still be better than the crap we have in s2

[hasty warren]

honnesly it's not a bad idea, personnaly I pref passing 2h on dummies

[runic bough]

I would like a dual dagger outlaw

Or two hander outlaw

[sharp hinge]

like a samurai

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-japan-windy-sword-birds-gif-17444000

[runic bough]

Why does classes need to be weapon restricted

At least remove the MOG restrictions

[slate plaza]

hoc uisually sims behind other trinks at same ilvl right (geargrinder, whistle, hotline, magnet)

[runic bough]

If they want to limit class weapons

[glass mortar]

oh jeez

ogrimmar is way easier then sw

[sharp hinge]

always has been

[runic bough]

Really

[glass mortar]

4 mask run took me 1 orb ☠️

i can see how 8 mask will be possible

[torpid fiber]

Horde bias

[cinder relic]

Mask of nemesis is literally a buff

[glass mortar]

yea

[next wedge]

nemesis feels good

[glass mortar]

the haste buff ion first zone is definitly hilarious for outlaw btw

[frail veldt]

what are yall even saying

[glass mortar]

it does reduce ur gcd

[next wedge]

also theres just so many more accessible elites it feels like

[glass mortar]

according to my GCD WA our gcd with the haste amp active is 0.5s

☠️

game cant even handle procs fast enough

[torpid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

[glass mortar]

for u to play it properly

its hilarious

[runic bough]

Guys

Sub got another buff

[frail veldt]

it needs one

[runic bough]

Maybe I can finally be free from trololspree

[vivid vessel]

it didnt get another buff

its jsut the buff

[runic bough]

What

[tidal sequoia]

@vivid vessel that blueish sword icon on your auras, tf is that

[vivid vessel]

ghoslty strike

[slate plaza]

i burnt my dinar on capo just for no one to need it this week and it dropped

fuckign F

waste of a dinar

[vivid vessel]

what else you gonna buy buddy

[tidal sequoia]

you run ghostly instead of deft

or smth else ?

[vivid vessel]

i run both wdym

[frail veldt]

KiR build has both

only HO has to choose

well HO actually can have both if it drops cto

[tidal sequoia]

I drop versa for it ?

[frail veldt]

drop fth

[vivid vessel]

you drop one fth

[frail veldt]

1 pt

[vivid vessel]

you cant drop lower talents

there are gates

[tidal sequoia]

ok , thanks

apparently i am bad at reading

its in faq, thanks anyway

[raw cliff]

anyone here gone assasination this season, im wondering roughly how reasonable it is to pivot from very optimal outlaw gear to being able to perform on farm bosses as assass

[slate plaza]

mythic geargrinder, mythic crowd strike

[tidal sequoia]

sub seems more reasonable on farm imho

shorter fights, and stacks versa like outlaw

[cinder relic]

assa takes 0 gear so

[raw cliff]

sick cause i also love sub

[slate plaza]

outlaw really struggles on clears because adds die so fast

like on prog outlaw is pumping but on clear everything dies so fast

[tidal sequoia]

honestly idk, that much - i am in gallywix outlaw club

proud

25th parse out of 42

[slate plaza]

nice

mythic is a little easier on outlaw since stuff live longer

heroic yikes

[raw cliff]

i seem to be doing just fine as law got all 90's or higher on mythic up to sprocket im just wanting to freshen up the gameplay a bit

[slate plaza]

im not talking about parses im talkign about relative performance to other specs

[raw cliff]

ah i see my bad my bad

[slate plaza]

nah ur all good lol

90's in mythic is pretty damn good

top 10% in content only like 1% of people do

i only early mythic raid nowadays, i value my sanity and sleep and school more

wish i could ce raid again tho

[raw cliff]

ive never got ce but im happy doing up to the mid/later bosses

[runic bough]

I feel bad for aug

Blizzard tuned s1 tier set for them. So basically nothing.

[haughty wigeon]

i mean i dont

[runic bough]

War got huge buff omg

[haughty wigeon]

would be silly to think 2pc2pc memes would stay

[runic bough]

Whirlwind dmg increased by 100%

4 other war abilities increased by 100%

Damn

Must be nice

Maybe its time to level my war

[haughty wigeon]

they currently have very strong positive bug

[runic bough]

My first class in this game was warrior

[haughty wigeon]

imma go bother them for a bit

[runic bough]

Outlaw has been stressful honestly especially mental breakdown in TWW

[viral flume]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

Sticking to outlaw has been the real The War Within

[slate plaza]

^^^^

LOL

[strong wraith]

Is jastars any good for outlaw

[latent oak]

no

[cobalt garnet]

hi guys one cuestion is best this combination arm or two raid weapons but heroic

[strong wraith]

Ty

[slate plaza]

is that cugel in your oh

ccudgel for m+

capo for st

mainhand thats teh best ur gonna get heroic raiding

unless you pull myth out of m+ vault

[glass mortar]

rip i didnt get 1 of the sw masks last week because i didnt look up the wowhead article

cant 8 mask this week

[runic bough]

SO TRUE

[slate plaza]

wait

[lime lake]

same

sad times

[slate plaza]

you cant get a greater enchant if you didnt do shit last week?

[glass mortar]

no

[slate plaza]

shii

[lime lake]

greater enchant doesnt need masks

[glass mortar]

that is completely unrelated to this

thats just do any visions

[slate plaza]

the hell is a mask

[glass mortar]

the difficulty scaler for the visions

[lime lake]

at least we can just do it next week with full research tree

[glass mortar]

u put them on and they increase rewards and difficulty

[slate plaza]

ahh

[glass mortar]

theres achievments for full clearing with every level of masks

up to 8

and some mounts

[slate plaza]

i see

would you guys upgrade a mythic seforium or whistle first

ive got hero hotline/magnet/keys rn

[glass mortar]

it probably

is completely irrelevant

xd

i doubt theres even a sim difference

just do whistle because direct damage and its a funny trinket

[slate plaza]

max myth whistle in st is like 1.4% better than my hero shit

istg this game hates me with drops

[runic bough]

Even if we had no trinket slots this expansion I'd be fine

Thats what it feels like to me

I keep forgetting to see how many times alchemy stone procs

Last time I checked it didn't show

[glass mortar]

its like 1.0 rppm

[slate plaza]

when does seforium become worth it in raid

apart stix

[proven ocean]

Zeross is typing…

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1374599781711745024/ezgif.com-add-text.gif

[slate plaza]

shoulda server muted instead

[hollow portal]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[lone zealot]

is ST KIR fatebound broken? my ST seems so low

[cinder relic]

r u on mugzee

[slate plaza]

oh yeahhhh'

[latent oak]

big

i ended up sending a dinar on mine xd

didnt see a single one drop over 8 weeks or something

[slate plaza]

i have a 681 crafted tho its not that big but ill take it

[lone zealot]

mythicsprocket

[latent oak]

its better stat distribution aswell

[cobalt garnet]

what ilv need from entry mythic?

[slate plaza]

wdym

[lone zealot]

full mythic geared usually doing 2.4-2.6. only doing 2

[slate plaza]

could be rotational

if you dont usually play kir

[lone zealot]

i do usually play kir

[gaunt phoenix]

or fatebound

[lone zealot]

the netire tier

entire*

[slate plaza]

interesting then

add damage maybe, maybe ur group is blwoing them up

compare it with other logs see if its behindf

[runic bough]

Welp

[latent oak]

plug in a log to wowanalyzer and see what it says

[runic bough]

Is everyone rerolling war now or wat

[latent oak]

??

[lone zealot]

feels like i'm always running out of energy and not getting successive ARs despite having full buffs

[slate plaza]

why

[slate plaza]

could it be because of cages

and downtime

[latent oak]

warrior exists to give battle shout to other melees

[lone zealot]

not on mugz

[glass mortar]

its hard to keep up autoattacks during intermission

[latent oak]

he's on sprocket

[glass mortar]

and kir ST is not easy to play in raid

[slate plaza]

ohh shi

[lone zealot]

noticed it on carnage too

[slate plaza]

whats ur haste

[lone zealot]

20

[slate plaza]

from rating?

[lone zealot]

%

[slate plaza]

hover it and divide that number by 660

it could be ur haste

[slate plaza]

weird

[lone zealot]

felt fine yesterday

could they have stealth nerfed us again?

[slate plaza]

maybe bad rng day

[cinder relic]

They didnt stealth nerf us?

[lone zealot]

i hope not

gunna go hit a dummy for a bit to see

[runic bough]

[random stirrup]

im thinking

something got screwed up with auras

this is NOT a 5% buff

surely

[lime lake]

shush

[lone zealot]

they dun did it again there

[past sky]

the heroic cache rng gods smiled on me last night

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186852564457766972/1377093231405305986/Clipboard_05-28-2025_01.jpg?ex=6837b583&is=68366403&hm=4cc396aa150469e526f0a4883bcdc8940524c972cc279a8595bb71d9a001addf&

33% vers on my sheet lol

[lone zealot]

daaaaaaaaaam

[glass mortar]

holy fuk

i need one of those

[lone zealot]

i got the same but mine is low crit heavy vers

[glass mortar]

its only once per week per upgrade track right

[past sky]

i have to use a haste flask though to make the comfort number so it drops down to 30%, but still

[glass mortar]

zzzz i got a cloak

[slate plaza]

wdym

[long barn]

What is

[glass mortar]

the hero track item from visions

[long barn]

Oh

No idea

[past sky]

that was from the 4 dungeon weekly

[long barn]

Candle king with KS is just bad

Even if tank moves him out it’s just bad

[runic bough]

Yup

Pure rage

[wanton parcel]

echo void fixed yet?

[runic bough]

No

[wanton parcel]

=/

gush gush

[runic bough]

Its not gushy thp

[wanton parcel]

deva?

[runic bough]

Tho

Gush if you get tired of twilight pulling extra mobs

I'm gonna test both I guess

[wanton parcel]

with the lessers i had a little better dmg from TW deva over gush

but gush did a little more ST on bosses

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[runic bough]

I'm tired of all these shit chores

Just give us class buffs

If they don't want to give us good powers

[cedar kernel]

:hi:

any new things brothers

[gaunt phoenix]

The sub aura buff was applied twice, they really got 10%

I don't see anything weird with outlaw spell data though @lone zealot

[lone zealot]

thanks

maybe it was turbo bad rng

it's been known to happen

seems fine when i hit the dummy

[copper radish]

org feels so much easier than SW for corruptions

[lone zealot]

they'll never know

[runic bough]

does that mean im 698 outlaw or dps

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw

[runic bough]

cool

every key i do gets better

nice

i think higher key u have way more rotation practice

since they dont die so fast

you get to fix your rotation

short fights u can just repeat opener

but long fight u have to do rotation correctly

[copper radish]

is the first boss on mythic lib puggable?

[runic bough]

honestly i think first 4 are puggable

its just hard until all the casuals get bis gear to bring up their dps

casuals are almost bis gear now

so pugs should get more kills soon

its like the same for each season

first 4 are puggable

[copper radish]

want that mythic gear grinder

gonna try to pug it this weekend lol

[runic bough]

yeah i think most pugs kill it ez now

[copper radish]

even if it dont drop and i get a kill can buy it next week

[runic bough]

yeah with dinar

[copper radish]

hopefully can find a good pug lol

[next wedge]

does anyone have the HO macro for ss/ambush

[gaunt phoenix]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[next wedge]

W

[cedar kernel]

i think its the M+ score in global

grats my man

[runic bough]

3rd mythic tier nice no need to cata

[rich moon]

so, has any of you managed to do 8 masks?

[vapid sundial]

yeah in bfa

[rich moon]

in bfa it was only 5 tho :v

[vapid sundial]

yeah but im him and had to wear 3 masks extra

kywim

[near rock]

@vivid vessel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tc78kaABVM4vyxbQ?fight=last&type=damage-done

giga pull of hell

[latent oak]

yuge

r1 boss damage aswell

[frail veldt]

I'm confused do masks make it harder or easier

Im getting mixed signals

[tender wedge]

doing full clears with zero masks is insanely easy

there are some masks which make it a bit easier like the one that spawns the elite regularly (because it's sanity back from elite extermination)

[cinder relic]

All of them make it harder, except the nemesis one but really only on the harder difficulties and it solves sanity to an insane degree

[white marten]

Darkest night being the most difficult one iirc?

[cinder relic]

[covert kestrel]

Idk why people complain about pugging 12s it's not that hard

[frail veldt]

Raider io records lol

[cinder oxide]

started M gally tonight, what the fuck is going on with killing spree

why does it put me in the middle of nowhere

[eager rose]

killing you spree

[next wedge]

when he's in the middle it just puts u behind him

whatever way he's facing

[cinder oxide]

mm i mean when hes in the mech, im jsut in the center of the platform nowhere near anything or anyone

[near rock]

It’s always behind him

Unfortunately it’s also very far behind him because his hitbox is so massive

[cinder oxide]

aaaaa okay i see it

it just looks asinine

[viral flume]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[viral flume]

anyone have the weapon equip reminder WA

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message

[wintry solar]

bis M+ record

[frail veldt]

whats the fastest way to get the vision shit done with?

just do it at the lowest difficulty?

also wtf does this do

[lime lake]

research tree currency

[frail veldt]

wow

ofc you cant vanish on bosses

these visions are awful rofl

they managed to take questing and make it worse lol

[proven ocean]

play sin bleed build

u just spam garrote rupture CT everything gets 1 shot from 2 gcd's

[random stirrup]

i only vanish reset a boss once

[frail veldt]

I just thought I was done questing

[random stirrup]

outlaw is good at visions

just crackshot window everything

[frail veldt]

still boring

[runic bough]

i did it with 1 person and was able to 5 second all the bosses

[frail veldt]

im not complaininga bout the difficulty

lol

wtf do I do in this zone

theres no objectives

I just randomly get disoriented every 30 seconds

and then I fell through the ground

sick

[cinder relic]

is that the drag?

[frail veldt]

and it restarted the vision

very cool

why would they bring back content that doesnt work ROFL

[cinder relic]

Ive literally had 0 issues with visions and I've done like 50 of them

[frail veldt]

I didnt even get to kill the final boss haha it just zoned me out

full insanity

it just reset me

it said "initiating evacuation protocol" then zoop

cool time to do the same 5 quests another time 🙂

hahahahahahahha

[worldly gust]

8min patchwerk sim, but which one should i take for gallywix x: ? i feel like i should go pacemaker.

[cinder relic]

Probably eye

wait 58

Idk maybe still eye, unsure

Pacemaker kinda whatever

[worldly gust]

yeah eye is herotrack, so im not entirely sure

[cinder relic]

Biggest upgrade

[worldly gust]

codex sims higher in dslice aswell

[cinder relic]

It's not like pacemaker is magically worth more because its on myth track yk

[worldly gust]

yeah ure right,

[frail veldt]

fuck codex

lowkey

[cinder relic]

if u need an item for gally its for sure eye

[sullen walrus]

someone have good weakauras?

[cinder relic]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[worldly gust]

alright, will go for eye then

thanks for ur insight

for m+ the choice would be pacemaker tho i assume

[frail veldt]

ye

[worldly gust]

i feel u on that

[proven ocean]

guys

what

ss

the best way to finish quest

for the enchant

do 1 zone and repeat?

or?

[frail veldt]

I assume do all 5

[proven ocean]

hmm

cuz i just did all 5 and i only got 1 currency

[frail veldt]

wait wtf

[proven ocean]

could be rng i guess

[frail veldt]

I did all 5 zones

and got only 2

yeah

last week you got 1 for each

man this shit is fucking trash

[worldly gust]

u only get 1 per big area

i thought

[lime lake]

It should be one from each of the "harder" zones

[frail veldt]

wtf is a big area

[worldly gust]

which means 2 per run

[frail veldt]

theyre all the same size

how do I know which areas are the big areas

[worldly gust]

yeah, big as in the one with harder hitting corruption

[frail veldt]

I cant tell which that is

[worldly gust]

u can check the tooltip

[frail veldt]

none of the corruptions do anything

except for cc me randomly

[worldly gust]

one area does 8 corruption per tick and the other 12 or sth ?

either way, if u clear all 4 areas u should always get 2

iirc

[royal ermine]

the one with rexar and the big tentacle guy are the "harder" areas

[fluid meadow]

nah, last week my quest was completed after 2 full run

just completely bullshit thing

[proven ocean]

rexxar was the hardest boss in visions in BFA

so ye

he was legit a hard fight back then

now all of it is ez

[dawn talon]

lmao i remember thinking about when i was going to spawn the boars on rexxar and how i was going to manage them

[proven ocean]

funny how i have the mount without the achievent lmao

[wintry solar]

is that still a mechanic?

[dawn talon]

ye but i just ignore them mostly

[thorny zinc]

what do we drop for shiv?

[hidden bay]

You guys doing all masks?

[cinder relic]

Ofc

[proven ocean]

Wahts the point of even doing 5 masks

[prime umbra]

Can anyone explain this? Why dosn't my crafted dagger watermark for the one am trying to upgrade?

I got 684 and 681 equipped

Are weapon watermark its own category or something?

Weapon type*

[random stirrup]

you need both slots same ilvl to get the discount

its discounting to 681 because you have 2 681+ weapons

but not to 684 since u only have one

[prime umbra]

The dagger am trying to upgrade on the left the is taking crests at 678

[cinder relic]

relog or smthing

Equip is both slots

[random stirrup]

o ya thought u were trying to upgrade to 684 mb

[prime umbra]

swapping slots and relogging worked, thanks!

[haughty wigeon]

you kill things

[wintry solar]

bragging rights

[haughty wigeon]

kill the entire area

[wintry solar]

also title

[cinder relic]

achivements, mounts, bragging rights, faster currency gains

[hard plinth]

Hello! can someone tell me how I can make a macro to automatically trigger tricks of the trade?

[icy orchid]

Is bubbling wax still bis ST or should I just use whetstones? (I know its very minimal, was just wondering)

[hollow temple]

!tott

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[next wedge]

there's no macro to automatically do it, but you can macro tricks of the trade to not require two clicks

[hollow temple]

it won't automatically trigger, but it'll automatically be cast on the tank

[next wedge]

guys i hit 14m sustained on 1st pack of brew today

i never hit those numbers in my life

[frail veldt]

cudgel go brr

[compact torrent]

Good Morning, what ist currently the best head enchant for m+, for singletarget and for hybrid gameplay?

[next wedge]

go gushing

[frail veldt]

the pins have that info

[hard plinth]

How is it work exactly?

[hollow temple]

install the WA

then use the macro listed

as your tricks button

[hard plinth]

Ok ok

Ty so much

[next wedge]

if a tank just chain into a boss while i have cudgel do i just have to cry

[past falcon]

no

u can swap weapons in combat

i mean like shed a tear it’s good for ur skin but u can just pause for a sec and hit ur macro and then continue

[frail veldt]

swap during a KS

so you dont lose a gcd

[next wedge]

holy

tech

[vivid vessel]

big one actually

[icy cedar]

can twilight dev hit twice

[red zinc]

How is ev still not fixed

[runic bough]

OUTLAW NERF?

I FEEL NERFED

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

anyone else ran keys today

I dont feel the same

[wintry solar]

see??? Outlaw should be a real pirate spec!!

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

but for real

cool flag

[grim spear]

gally's iron thumb can't be swapped in m+

?

[red zinc]

yes

[grim spear]

.

and why is that?

[random stirrup]

Cantrip weapons usually can’t be swapped

Well sometimes

[grim spear]

but capo

[random stirrup]

Probably also has something to do with potentially applying the gally debuff and then swapping weapons and keeping it applied

[wintry solar]

they're

[grim spear]

so capo is the special one

[random stirrup]

Well cudgel as well is weird

The last example I can remember is df s3 thorncaller couldn’t be swapped

[wintry solar]

do you think Outlaws broad theme makes it harder to come up with thematic things for the spec?

[grim spear]

Now that we have dice, the next patch should add card drawing.

[wintry solar]

huge

[grim spear]

card draws, coin flips, dice rolls—boom boom boom, it's just too piratey.

beer is a burst cooldown.

or rum

we should get cannon instead of pistal

[runic bough]

i want more ninja theme

which outlaw never gets

so

whatever

[wintry solar]

idk what I want

besides uhuh being gone and energy buffed

other than that its free game

im open to anything until I try it myself to see if I like it or not.

[next wedge]

i sorta like uhuh

[wintry solar]

id like it more if it granted adr

[next wedge]

just like making it easier to maintain?

[hasty warren]

Yo pirates

[next wedge]

i do wish that you could stack ADR

not fully but like maybe 5 seconds extra

2 is rough

[wintry solar]

im just not a fan of looping adr with subterfuge

not my thing

youd think that wouldnt be controversial but some people are really passionate about what they like

[next wedge]

i mean then you dont really like outlaw gameplay then

that's like the core of the spec

[hasty warren]

humm I've a Myth chest but it's tier set

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vUTaYFtzbJD2iWrKefpYjz
ok it's garbage

[jolly geyser]

Still wearing priory chest here,hc track

Prolly crafting next week unless lucky vault

[hasty warren]

y same

idk if I craft something

need to sim

[jolly geyser]

Only hc thing i have

[hasty warren]

vers/crit or vers/haste for craft stats ?

[jolly geyser]

No idea,prolly need vers haste myself on that chest

[hasty warren]

I think it dep on other pieces and build u're playing

[next wedge]

just sim

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7GbwWp8w6QFiRPvo49D8yk

humm neck is 0.6% upgrade

[jolly geyser]

Extra minimal upgrades left tbh

[hasty warren]

y but it's still good to take for progress

even if I'm trolling my dps

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/crxiwjMQGQVQVSYc8TPHPH oh y chest in vers/hast

1.2% upgrade with 2 crafts not bad

[wintry solar]

yeah a talent third from the bottom row is totally the core

[wintry solar]

No. I drop Ace for PC in M+

[cinder relic]

I mean, yes?

A lot of specs are centralized around random talents near the bottom

[wintry solar]

I consider the core of a spec its basic rotation + CDs

in outlaws case the basic rotation

to me, what a spec is centered around and its "core" are two different things

[cinder relic]

Alright

[wintry solar]

is that really a hot take?

though I guess theres the core of a gameplay and the core of a spec

[cinder relic]

It's like saying sub isn't about Flag because flag is near the bottom of the tree

Or paladin isn't about wake because it's at the bottom of the tree

[wintry solar]

but wouldnt they still work?

obv not at optimal levels

but numbers aside

[cinder relic]

What

[fluid meadow]

don't u have too much crit instead of vers? armory says 28% crit 24% vers to your character( that's very low at 680ilvl isn't it?), or u can't do anything else with your gear?

[wintry solar]

nvm

[hasty warren]

idk how to have moer vers tbh

I think I don't have the more vers value pieces

but when I sim I don't fing upgrades

[mighty pivot]

armory doesn't show the 3% from talents either

[fluid meadow]

still 5-6% less vers as others, so not a thing if comparing with other armory characters

the play maybe neck-back-ring-bracer changes/recraft, enchant balance for haste, dfc ring looks good with myth track, but i think that ruins your whole flexibility with stats and lock u into crit instead of vers, i mean i can't balance my stats to optimal with that ring, locked into too much or too low haste with that with any changes

[opal raven]

last clear we got a 6k vers 1k haste ring ... it went to an arcane i think

[runic bough]

well

we could also get

nah

im done them adding more bugs

just change ks into br

done

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel you seen that mw bug

goobers pumping 5mil hps over in china with some sheilun spam bug

incredible

[vivid vessel]

ye i have seen

[weary fog]

whats up with that, is it similar to the old cdg bug and theyre casting max stacks twice in a row or something

[brittle scroll]

Gushing Wound best?

[wintry solar]

I just noticed the razer naga has two extra buttons when pushing the mouse wheel either left or right

page up and down

[hollow temple]

[brittle scroll]

That's in the manual

[wintry solar]

I didnt read it

[covert kestrel]

Be careful binding those to buttons you use a lot tho cause it's one of the first things that will break on a naga

[wintry solar]

oof

so its best I forget about it then

[covert kestrel]

Can be good for like cloak or smth that is only pressed every now and then

[hollow temple]

I’ve used mine for a long time and been fine

For sprint/tricks etc

[wintry solar]

was thinking tricks myself

[hollow temple]

Pushing it to the right is quick n easy so I use it for movement

Pulling it left is a bit weird feeling so I’ve always used it random stuff

[mighty pivot]

they can also catalyst the boots but then some haste rebalancing is necessary

about 9k from the ~13k crit they have is from the ring and necklace of course, so those are the main reasons the stats are off

i wish they allowed some secondary stat balance tweaks for crafts like 1:2 or 1:3 ratio instead of only 1:1

[haughty wigeon]

should i make emblishments for my vdh

[fluid meadow]

yeah, smthing like reforge was before, without penalty and a slider between stats, sending to a crafter and gg, overthinking the whole gear with 1 item replace is just so bad

[haughty wigeon]

[subtle field]

you dont press KiR without broadside, do you?

[haughty wigeon]

u slam that shit on cd son

[subtle field]

on st it just feels soo ass not having broadside

[rotund zodiac]

Anyone cleared visions with 8 masks yet?

[hidden bay]

Ppl have yes

Theres vids on yt

[brittle scroll]

Gushing Wound vs Twilight Devastation, anyone got some info?

[weary fog]

TD - high rolly, looks cool, can pull shit in keys
wound - safer/more consistent, but isnt aoe

[subtle field]

so when it comes to kir, and if you have 4 buffs you just wanna send it (given that you have tried getting more with cto), no matter the combination of buffs?

[neat sapphire]

guys do we use supercharged combo points inmediately? (it looks like always the first 2 get charged with roll the bones)

also, im not sure but i think my WA doesnt show supercharged CP.. is there a setting?

or don't we actually have to finish on these combopoints anymore like we used to?

[hidden bay]

We dont

They just add cps to your next finishers

[neat sapphire]

cool

also, after 6-7 minutes on 5 targetdummies, i tend to run out of vanish charges to mainting AR.. is that normal?

i need almost 2 vanish windows to get my AR completely reset

[craggy barn]

normal

[cedar kernel]

brothers i have a question, does the twilight is confirmed that cant hit the target on sky? like the 1st Boss in Rookery

[neat sapphire]

i have no idea what that means, im sorry

[craggy barn]

i feel like it hits

hard to check since its random proc

[cedar kernel]

idk CN brothers are talking about this and they send me a log, with checking reviews and timeline i cant see theres dmg on him when hes on sky

[craggy barn]

shrug

i havent been able to confirm myself

[hollow temple]

pretty sure its a pretty tight cone from the player, so it could be missing. but if it's not hitting in multiple logs then i'd assume it isn't working.

[cedar kernel]

yea ty trickz its hard to track but we found it can hit

[craggy barn]

huge

guys, i think if i get to gally i have to hold the bomb thing and not die

[frank finch]

rip

[craggy barn]

im pne of the least deaths in my raid so

only 1 mage

[cedar kernel]

the rookery 1st can be hit but we need to see the boss in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

It works on gally

[sullen iris]

is bladeflurry uncapped now

[craggy barn]

no

[sullen iris]

im gonna dip for another year then

[craggy barn]

bye 👋

[sullen iris]

🫡

[cedar kernel]

oh guys the kyrioss, like the line of whether Twilight can hit him on the sky, depends on whether he finish the casting, if he didnt finish casting on sky, he cant be hit

[craggy barn]

ah

so during the channel

[cedar kernel]

yes

a brother said it might be this

he said from log it show like this tho

[onyx spear]

With no Access to Mythic raid Trinkets, my sim is recommending whistle and Magnet for m+ content to buy with dinar. Is there anything that speaks against it?

[worldly shale]

just do myth vexie, not hard to pug

i got geargrinder with my dinar, might have been a mistake cuz it dropped on my next clear but whatev

[red zinc]

fuck geargrinder

[worldly shale]

i HATE on use trinkets

gcd ones

and i got magnet from stix the next run

[red zinc]

nothing to do with that it just doesnt hit rookery boss

big dum

[worldly shale]

nightmare fuel

[leaden folio]

i hate more geargrinder because he can miss. and when I say he can miss. HE CANT HIT GALLYWIX.

[red zinc]

whistle + magnet probably the best combo

zac just plays hoc cause he thinks he’s built diff

[worldly shale]

mastery!

[red zinc]

i mean its honestly a fine trinket but theres a reason i was doing the same st as him while being vastly worse

Gapped on aoe though

[worldly shale]

btw whoever said u can switch weapons in ks is a real one

[onyx spear]

What about Pacemaker some io guys Seen to use it on a regular basis

[onyx spear]

When would you use it?

[worldly shale]

If i forget to change weapons i can just ks instead of needing to vanish XD

i just use cludgel on adds and capo on bosses

[civic void]

You never needed to vanish tho

[worldly shale]

huh? rly?

its just a gcd?

[civic void]

Yeah

[worldly shale]

imadumbo

never really tried standing and trying it XD

[civic void]

The ks thing is nice because since it lasts longer than your gcd you are not losing anything

[red zinc]

its all marginal as hell

Just swapping mid combat really doesnt matter that much either idk

[civic void]

Ofc it's just a gcd so it doesn't matter too much

[neat sapphire]

how come my tricks of the trade still only lasts 30seconds when i cast it on a tank?

[balmy spade]

woah cool to know thanks

I forget swapping every now and then

[red zinc]

Thats the initial activation

[worldly shale]

so we going gushing wound ye?

[red zinc]

If you hit a mob itll actually activate and last an hour so long as you have the trickster talent

[red zinc]

doesnt matter, twilight dev fine too

[shell fossil]

trickster has improved tricks of the trade which lasts for an hour once you hit a mob, check buffs and you should see the icon with a 60 minute counter

although if you die you have to reapply it

i've been playing gushing wound, it's whatevs

[red zinc]

what dungeon is that

I dont recognize the background

[shell fossil]

priory

[red zinc]

oh not in the dungeon anymore

okok

[shell fossil]

flubbed the second boss trash, yeah

[red zinc]

thats my fav outlaw discord minigame

Recognizing dungeons off the low res dps meter background

[shell fossil]

geoguesser augh game lmao

[red zinc]

so i know if I should flame them for doing low deeps

uh i mean

give tips

?!

[mighty pivot]

you can make the minigame more challenging by taking a picture of the screen and then deep frying it

[shell fossil]

phys comp and play hidden opportunity

[red zinc]

HO makes you do less damage even though its not actually worse

just an aura thing

[shell fossil]

ye i lag a lot some days so kir doesn't feel like safe pick for me

[red zinc]

fairs

[worldly shale]

safe doesnt matter

its about aura

[civic void]

it's ok you can offset the aura loss by a sick mog

[red zinc]

Just run neither for the ultimate play

gsw no kir no ho

[shell fossil]

askchsully need to run lfr this week for the legs

the blue trim heroic coat aint it

[red zinc]

That scarf is bigger than your torso

[shell fossil]

[worldly shale]

i farmed that black stupid coat so i have to run it

[shell fossil]

saw a dude mogged as tmnt blastoise now that you mention it

hell yeah brother

[red zinc]

got your character lookin like 🗿

[worldly shale]

hes mewing

[red zinc]

What mask is that

I want to mew too

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-boy-mewing-mewing-god-jawline-best-jawline-gif-3582189448456478631

mewblaster9000

[vague cape]

just to confirm gally wep beats out same ilvl shit that isn't mug wep right?

[worldly shale]

gally wep is only good in raid i think ?

[red zinc]

its a lil complicated

All at myth ilvl ->

raid gally + mug is optimal (doesnt matter what order)

M+ its mug + cudgel for aoe and mug + crowd favorite for bosses since you cant swap gally

if you dont have myth capo then myth gally in mh is best

[vague cape]

bet

[vivid vessel]

???

[red zinc]

thats literally true what ???

hoc poop on st

like when we did those poop keys we were doing practically same st and big aoe gap

is all im sayin

[vivid vessel]

??

You are poop!!!

[vivid vessel]

b ro its 1% st diff

you just got lucky buddy

[red zinc]

no i also just suck at aoe

st is fine

[fading hatch]

Not pressing blade flurry key with enough force maybe

[pliant wave]

@vivid vessel , what value do you set your SpellQueueWindow to when you play?

[gaunt phoenix]

900

[mighty pivot]

on what setting does zac have his gaming chair guys?

[normal forge]

is any1 using twilight devastation? How does it feels in m+ 12+?

[civic void]

Feels like a 2% damage increase

[shell fossil]

i miss having valorstones

[civic zephyr]

i like gushing wounds more

[civic void]

Don't worry, the secret is it also feels like a 2% damage increase !

[vivid vessel]

How , it's not so different from st

[vivid vessel]

150

[vivid vessel]

It's not a gaming chair

Just a normal office chair

I think gaming chairs are cringe and overrated

[shell fossil]

if chair doesn't have a foot rest its wrong

[rotund zodiac]

I bought a gaming chair to fit my setup theme

[mighty pivot]

it's true

[vivid vessel]

Gaming chairs are like 3x the price

And aren't necessarily better

Also I hate leather chairs

It becomes bad very quickly

Leather or fake leather

And it's too hot

I like chairs that are in like

Idk the name

But you get me

[mighty pivot]

you don't need a footrest if you sit like a goblin

[shell fossil]

..footrest allows maximum goblin status

[shell fossil]

nuh uh

[craggy barn]

i have a mesh chair and its nice when its warm/hot

mesh office chair

[shell fossil]

mines fake leather and it's all cracked and gross 2 years later

[craggy barn]

and i also have a normal pad chair with no arm rests

[shell fossil]

actual money chair lol https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdFLBzNfaY6ZNK080wxAKyfhAQAq67beHWBg&s

[mighty pivot]

mesh is nice but probably a disaster with cats around, so the close second is just whatever cushion & fabric most office chairs use which is similar

[shell fossil]

anyone else think the dungeons were better than the raid this season?

[vivid vessel]

Ye mesh was the word I was looking for

When I get older and rich tho

Imma buy one of those Herman Miller chairs or whatever

The ones that cost infinite money

[vivid vine]

anyone know how to deal with the soridormi shitter you get in the visions?

mine just afk runs around

and doesn't join me

so i cant vanish on bosses

just vibing over there

[mighty pivot]

me during working hours

[fading hatch]

Turn it off

Tell the thing you dont require assistance when you choose the role

[vivid vine]

yeah but then i still have the problem of not being able to vanish on bosses 😦

[mighty pivot]

soridormi moving is timegated you need to wait for next week

[vivid vine]

🙂

[proper veldt]

You can get a refurbished one from some local stores usually for like 1/3rd the retail price

A lot of companies dump them so there’s a lot of second hand ones

[mighty pivot]

yeah second hand from offices is dirty cheap and they are in good condition

[covert kestrel]

+1 for Herman miller gang

[drowsy sierra]

is echoing void still the go to enchant on head after the upgrade?

[covert kestrel]

No check pins

[hybrid crown]

This chair is like a cheap version of the herman miller chair https://a.co/d/3RJce4s

I liked this one so much I bought two, one for my wfh and gaming desks

Mesh seat and back is so nice

[red zinc]

Just get refurbished

its like

pricey but you’ll live and its still 10y warranty usually

500-600

[dense bolt]

cloth

nis

bis

[shell fossil]

office cloth is okay

[gusty cipher]

the weakaura is telling me to roll inside subterfuge windows, do we seriously roll constantly until we get a 5-buff ? (4tier + HO)

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

though if you have 4 total buffs including CTO you can keep them until it becomes 3

[cedar kernel]

i cant wait for next season tset

the last season of the expac will be wild on Tset maybe

[hybrid crown]

Supercharger makes that more worth doing

[dim widget]

Also I think we don't roll inside subter unless you get at least 2 more btes in to consume the charged cps from rtb

But some nerd may confirm or debunk this

But most of the time we roll inside subter ye

[gusty cipher]

i dont think i have the mental capacity to keep track of this condition with all the stuff that's happening rotationally and in the dungeon so i'll just roll away. interesting point tho

[dim widget]

It's tied to subter bte being our strongest finisher, but like I said not 100% sure and might vary depending on kir/ho

[shell fossil]

remember to roll out of combat too

[dim widget]

And even if, is prob very minor optimization

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not an optimization, it's just some condition where ignoring rtb is not a dps loss

[dim widget]

Oh so it's net neutral if I roll or bte in that scenario?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[dim widget]

For all builds?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[dim widget]

Ah good to know

[drowsy pebble]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[dim widget]

I always played around that logic

Ty for elaborating

[covert kestrel]

The only thing I hope is that they get rid of the generic tier set for all roles idea

[gusty cipher]

the only thing im hoping for is a complete rework of KS tbh

[hidden bay]

Dont even have to be complete tbh, removing the teleport would be enough

Maybe also making it always be like 2-3 gcds

Never more

3 maybe too much

2 would be nice

[wintry solar]

Yeah that was a miss tbh. Outlaw is the only spec that gets a pass imo because it fits the outlaw theme.

[shell fossil]

i used it on cauldron of carnage and it blinked me into the laser 3 times for an insta death

fact that you take damage during it is worse than the teleports

but also using it 2-3 times during the opener is dopamine so idk

[gusty cipher]

so you use it in the sub windows or in between? the opener has crazy cd reduction

i was under impression to use it outside from subterfuge

[mighty pivot]

if their only plan was to remove the tp element they'd have done it by now surely. Maybe there are more drastic changes in the plans

[gusty cipher]

but it's still so clunky, like during first boss in cinderbrew using KS is almost a death sentence

[shell fossil]

no after first subterfuge window, then as it cools down

last week was using coup de grace first but i saw some chad getting 3 in consistently and tried copying them

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont use ks during stealth but it has higher prio than entering a new vanish window

unless you must vanish for AR of course

[vivid vessel]

when does outlaw opener ends

[gusty topaz]

This

[shell fossil]

bonk

[gusty topaz]

My buddy was like run elusiveness and pre feint. I was so high on the cope.

Nope

[subtle field]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[stiff glade]

The opener ends when the pack dies or you die to KS

[covert kestrel]

I miss elu

[neat sapphire]

is this BTE usage too little? according to the Sim it should be alot higher, im also only getting 1.2M DPS instead of the simmed 1.58M and its driving me nuts not knowing where im going wrong

its 5 minutes, 0 buffs, 1.2M DPS @ 665 illvl

[gaunt phoenix]

are you playing KIR 1 FTH?

[neat sapphire]

KIR, yes

[gaunt phoenix]

Then yeah dispatch being higher than bte is indicative of issues

[neat sapphire]

well, isnt that also the dispatch that's cast from BTE?

it cant ever be lower no?

because of crackshot

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean dispatch damage not dispatch number of casts

[neat sapphire]

oooh

im gonna keep an eye on it this dungeonrun

[gaunt phoenix]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[gaunt phoenix]

if you're playing with 1 point in fan the hammer like this then you are playing a rather difficult build

just lots of things to track and 2 required weakauras from here

unseen blade tracker and zac's rtb

[sullen walrus]

guys, will be good heroic capo + event weapon? or better 684 weapon main hand + event for aoe and for solo target 684 weapon + heroic capo for st?

[stiff glade]

684 mh + event mace for packs / capo for bosses

[sullen walrus]

i’m new outlaw player and hekili is so bad for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be fine

[covert kestrel]

Why does KiR care more about unseen blade than HO?

[gaunt phoenix]

HO doesnt like to mess with builder rules

it has more builder damage, it likes the audacity ps loop

it's very hard to make pressing SS instead of PS worth it

[proven ocean]

@bleak egret

@cinder spindle

Fuck

@vivid vessel

I got eye of kezan finally

[gaunt phoenix]

[proven ocean]

I’ll do way more dps on last boss rookery now

[vivid vessel]

what for

[vivid vessel]

well

[winged depot]

Is there a big difference in rotation with KIR and HO?

[proven ocean]

This

[gaunt phoenix]

!kir

[vivid vessel]

with sub buffed 10% ross

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

I had pacemaker never ligns up

[vivid vessel]

i think you will do wya more damaage anyway

[proven ocean]

Its not just a 3 phase

[winged depot]

thxx

[proven ocean]

Im gonna open up his asshole

Very wide

Snd clear

[vivid vessel]

bro

did you see

that sub

got buffed 10%

or hwat

[proven ocean]

Ye i saw but is it actually confirmed

I was awake ye

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it is

[vivid vessel]

we can legit 2 phase the boss in 31 ! !

[proven ocean]

Oh wow

Ong

[vivid vessel]

TRIPLE SUB

[proven ocean]

Omg

[vivid vessel]

ONE PHASING

IN 21

???!!

[proven ocean]

U know what sub used to do

On highest keys before

50% hp first amp

[desert tendon]

0 phasing

[proven ocean]

Last amp 5%

[desert tendon]

Pog

[proven ocean]

3rd amp 0%

It was so funny

1st amp is 50% for sure but 2nd is an approximate number of 5%

[floral star]

Hello all 😄 How do you guys do visions? How do i get around resetting the mobs when vanishing for BTE?

[gaunt phoenix]

select a follower thingy

[floral star]

But wont the make the vision a lot harder?