outlaw

[civic void]

Wowhead comments have to be mostly ragebait bots

[torpid fiber]

sublety

[cinder relic]

For some reason auto check doesn't catch sublety as a typo

weird

[mighty pivot]

it's very sub(t)le

[vivid vessel]

I too ça not write subtlety

That's why I only play outlaw

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw players can't spell

[late swallow]

good writeup tho

[unreal drum]

apm is too slow typing we arnt used to it

[late swallow]

my fav parts are always the comments

[mighty pivot]

remove every ability and bring back combat - average wowhead user

[glass mortar]

people who enjoy kspree and people who want combat back r the same people cmm

😠

i just want to go back to the days of one evis every 6-7 seconds and mash SS 5 times in a row between them like god intended

apm has gone too far!

[safe pasture]

does anyone know how to fix raider io on a alt after server change ? it wont link to mymain so i cant get invited to shtttt on my sub D:

and i have tried everything to get the mf to re link

[viscid perch]

Tbh the apm is the reason why i love the spec

[mighty pivot]

combat daggers for even lower apm

[viscid perch]

They should just rework ks and revert acro

Rest is good

[sharp hinge]

you may or may not have undiagnosed ADHD

[visual trout]

everything else feels so slow

[torpid fiber]

could be diagnosed tbf, I know i am

[late swallow]

Try not to diagnose a minor psychological quirk as ADHD challenge (impossible)

[viscid perch]

I mean the class is fast and hard to play but it is what it is

Not all of us want to play a boomer spec

[craggy barn]

are those apm sims woth or without lust/pi

[torpid fiber]

they should be with lust without pi I think

[safe pasture]

when you guys roll grand melee in a 8+ mob pull do yall ever hold the re roll or just send it ? i know the generic rule is just roll sub 5 buffs for ho but is there any logic for holding the guranteed increa aoe damage during that situation

or is it dumb

[red zinc]

Are you raizo-ragnaros?

[subtle ginkgo]

okay - when you KIR - do you roll right after to ADD buffs - or does that clear the buffs?

[safe pasture]

first re roll will have a chance to add if missing some and give you super charger stacks

after that will roll over the oens you have

[subtle ginkgo]

gotcha so essentially KIR then 1 reroll then zug

[safe pasture]

ther is a wa that color codes when they will be rolled over would reccomend

ye more or less

[glass mortar]

if u reroll fast enough u can reroll two times depending on the buffs that got overwritten

theres more details about how all this works in the advanced rules section of the FaQ

[subtle ginkgo]

Yeah I’m not advanced atm, barely keeping my head above water while learning the spec lol

[glass mortar]

for just GM? no but if i have like GM + RP + another decent buff from rolls + cto

then i'll keep it

no 1 buff is good enough to camp alone as HO imo

[safe pasture]

have you tried HO? feel its a good way to learn then when comfortable moving to kir but thats just me then i went back to ho for high keys cause too much sht going on xd

[safe pasture]

ty!

[subtle ginkgo]

I’m 40 points shy of 3k just… grifting lol

[quasi notch]

I did the same thing for 17-18s

[subtle ginkgo]

I was told HO wasn’t as god

[safe pasture]

its not but really close

clearing 15s with it rn

[quasi notch]

You have more time to kick, stop and read the situation

[safe pasture]

my current gear set up is dope tho i can run both with my stat values and just change vers pot or haste pot

[quasi notch]

That helps Way more than 100-200k higher overall

[subtle ginkgo]

Alright prolly will recraft my gear back from assa, ass just doesn’t have the same level of fun.

[hollow portal]

There is a truth that everyone who likes KS plays another class or plays rogue but in pvp, no one who does raid or decent m+ likes KS.

In PVP, KS is good, according to what I'm told, and I think that's the reason why Blizzard doesn't do anything.

[glass mortar]

im sure there must be at least 1 mythic raider or highish key doer cooked enough to claim to like this spell

[subtle ginkgo]

It’s gotten me killed so fucking many times man.

[safe pasture]

ya sin this season aint it for me

got hopes for sub tho

[glass mortar]

but yes there is a noticable trend of people who like KS and not engaging with any difficult content in the game

[late swallow]

me with sin every season

[glass mortar]

which is understandable

[safe pasture]

5% tho wooo xd

[subtle ginkgo]

I mean KS is a must, no?

Like…

[shell fossil]

the idea of killing spree is neat

but it's not useful in raid and it's you kno, killing spree in other content

[cinder relic]

I love killing spree

[subtle ginkgo]

What pisses me off is it seems everytime I KS a targeted attack goes where I left my body… so there’s no counter play for me when I come back and it instantly gibs me

[red zinc]

Lowkey

[cinder relic]

But its just too much overhead

[safe pasture]

dont forget when you pre plan to use it agressive cause you have cloak

[red zinc]

if killing spree gave 1s more stagger window

[safe pasture]

but the one shot goes through cloak

[shell fossil]

most of the time you can grapple hook out of the swirlies before you die

[red zinc]

After you exit it

it would already be way better

[shell fossil]

but also wow isn't a high apm game so..

[red zinc]

still shit but definitely better

[subtle ginkgo]

I mean, that’s assuming I didn’t let me brain not overheat for the .5 seconds ks is going off

[glass mortar]

i mean sometimes the kspree bug just murders u anyway

[hollow portal]

Well, Ks is good for doing world quests and finding mounts, it's a skill (and the only skill that has a nice design in Rogue). Circling around your target looks great for casual players, the bad thing is that this design is bad for decent content.

[glass mortar]

glhf outplaying dying while being self cc'd

[red zinc]

idk id be fine with a stationary ks that still freezes you

just no blinks

[subtle ginkgo]

I mean, it really should be like that instead of the merry go round of bullshit

[red zinc]

doesnt look as cool sadly

which is why its like this

we’ll see what they do every possible solution has already been suggested

[safe pasture]

i got more control using honeybuzzer trink than i do in ks all im sayin

[red zinc]

it is what it is

[shell fossil]

idk i like killing spree, it's a finisher

[safe pasture]

ye its cool like in theory

[shell fossil]

ssme vibe as cold blood when that was a relevant spell

[sturdy crow]

In practice too

[glass mortar]

its cool factor largely comes from the fact that literally nothing we do looks cool

rogue is a very low visual fantasy spec

we r so desperate for cool animations

kspree doesnt even make sense for outlaw

we literally just lost shadowstep and people even complained about shadowstep

[vivid vine]

did ks jerk your camera around in wrath aswell?

[mighty pivot]

no

[glass mortar]

how does shadowstepping 7 times in 2 seconds make sense for outlaw

[safe pasture]

i don want cool animation i want big dam =[

[subtle ginkgo]

Spree should just be replaced by a big as canon ball

[glass mortar]

when are we teleporting around

[shell fossil]

untrue wrath did the camera schmovement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkL-gubVyEM

[torpid fiber]

I'm cooking up new dogshit solutions:

• 50% dodge chance during ks
• ks makes you immune but redirects the damage to a nearby mage player
• ks has damage reduction based on mastery

[vivid vine]

i like the second option

[safe pasture]

activate ks for all allied party members

[torpid fiber]

The second one is a huge buff

[safe pasture]

we all get to enjoy it

[cinder relic]

KS has been a combat spell since wrath

KS is perfectly in flavor for Outlaw

It just shouldn't be what it is rn

[mighty pivot]

that's because it changes targets though

[glass mortar]

im sorry it being a combat spell since wrath does nothing to explain to me why outlaw is shadow stepping 7 times in a row

[vivid vine]

it's from a time with way less mechanics flying around oneshotting you

they just need to update the spell

and we good

[glass mortar]

id say its been against the flavor of outlaw since legion, if not since wrath

people just liked it

[cinder relic]

Its not shadowstepping

[glass mortar]

the original text for kspree was literally "Steps through the shadows" was it not

[wooden frost]

How cooked am i, if I want to try outlaw but got 2x heavy mastery rings, and one or two off parts aswell with mastery.

[glass mortar]

ok what version of teleporting is it if not shadowstepping, because it is teleporting

do we have another method or rogue teleportation

that im not aware of

[safe pasture]

as long as you got the haste req depending on key lvl you can still do ok dam

just wont be like pumping pumping

but you can kinda get away with sub par stats p easy on outlaw

[sturdy crow]

It's just moving fast, like in dbz

goku isn't shadowstepping fam

[keen belfry]

hearthstone

[glass mortar]

its not a big deal obviously i think gameplay is more important then perfectly matching flavor

i was just pushing back on the people who argue it fits with outlaw

[strong cargo]

the important stat is haste, if you don't have optimal vers/crit then you will do a bit less damage but not the end of the world, having no haste will be a pain

[glass mortar]

to me it makes zero sense for outlaw even thematically. attacking fast, yes, why am i teleporting 7 times in 2 seconds?

i literally never teleport at any other point as an outlaw

[cinder relic]

The spec that attacks rapidly has an attack that causes them to rapidly attack is in flavor

[vivid vine]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-dbz-goku-good-bye-bye-gif-5155252

looks pretty shadowy

[glass mortar]

yes it makes us rapidly attack

and teleport

u cant forget the sorta defining feature no?

[keen belfry]

weran u gotta remember if the discord says one thing guy must disagree

[vivid vessel]

That's litteraly the same shit

[glass mortar]

wowtoxics recook is still attacking fast

[vivid vessel]

I cba

[safe pasture]

they should just make it the rogue version of convoke for r druid 😄

[vivid vessel]

I read takes in here sometimes

[safe pasture]

solves everything

[vivid vessel]

From regulars

And I swear

You guys don't play the game

[wanton parcel]

Killing spree needs to be replaced with some sort of cannon barrage or giga shot.

[keen belfry]

i honestly was surprised guy hated KS, because everyone here hates it i kinda assumed he like it

[dense bolt]

make killingspree

[cinder relic]

Being rooted for a second > teleporting randomly for a second

[safe pasture]

zac whats your opinion on removing between the eyes

😄

[vivid vessel]

3 sec roots is good yes yes

So good

[cinder relic]

Who said it's good

[glass mortar]

self root is a step up its still stinky tho

[red zinc]

its better

[glass mortar]

can we at least use our abilities if its a self root now

[vivid vessel]

You said you would be fine with it

[glass mortar]

not being able to kick or cloak is so rude

[cinder relic]

Let me reword then

It would be better

[shell fossil]

the 7 attacks doing millions of damage is nice as a finisher on a longer cd

[keen belfry]

i cant tell if id die more or less with a 3 second root instead

probs less?

[vivid vessel]

Less?

It's the same

[keen belfry]

it would be close

[vivid vessel]

But you don't tp

Xd

[keen belfry]

so its as bad

[glass mortar]

definitly less

[vivid vessel]

Why would it be more

[glass mortar]

itd still suck tho

[cinder relic]

Zac whats worse

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's the same shit

[cinder relic]

Cutting off 1 finger, or cutting off your whole hand

[vivid vine]

why not both

[red zinc]

being french or not being french

[safe pasture]

i prefer a new arm

[keen belfry]

those seem pretty equal! good argument!

[glass mortar]

zac be like "i couldnt play outlaw with 1 less finger so its the same thing"

ok i couldnt resist

[vivid vessel]

This is what I'm responding to

[cinder relic]

"I'd be fine"

[red zinc]

yeah im happy with improvements

[cinder relic]

Him, he would be

[red zinc]

[shell fossil]

it would always attack the back from another source so you'd blink behind them constantly

[keen belfry]

ks so bad got us settiling for a 3 second root instead

[red zinc]

lizzard hasnt done shit in the last 4 months id be happy with anything

1 scrap mr ion

[safe pasture]

classic lizzard

[cinder relic]

Well theyh fixed BF a few weeks ago :)

[vivid vessel]

Settling for a 3 sec root is wild

[hollow portal]

I would even be happy if instead of spinning around in KS for 3 seconds it was only 0.5 seconds or 1 second, the same time as throwing KS with a combo point, that would also help.

[vivid vessel]

Forced their hands

[glass mortar]

id settle for a 3s root as a bandaid for the rest of this season while they make actual kspree rework, i certainly wouldnt be happy with it as a long term solution

[cinder relic]

The enemy of progress is perfection

[keen belfry]

okay viktor

[safe pasture]

oh wait they extended down time =.[

[shell fossil]

some kind of effect on mobs that die while debuffed would be cool, it is really really old

[keen belfry]

bro just finished arcane

[cinder relic]

I've never sene arcane

[craggy barn]

ks tping allows cudgel to hit more mobs with out us needing to press movement 🙂

[safe pasture]

you gota watch it

[vivid vessel]

The enemy of progress is people eating shit and settling for vomit as an improvement

[red zinc]

loved when viktor started arcaning all over the place

[glass mortar]

my favorite was when he went "its arcaning time!"

[vivid vine]

we cant even settle for vommit

[craggy barn]

huge

[safe pasture]

good idea lets make outlaw arcane rogue

[keen belfry]

i think if"progress' is debatable as being the same thing its not progress

[vivid vine]

we just keep being forcefed shit

[craggy barn]

revelution!

[mighty pivot]

the camera only moves once if it's one target (cata's version at least)

[shell fossil]

for da revolushin

[torpid fiber]

oooh flashy lights

[keen belfry]

jayce.... i am viktor. and this is league of legends!

[red zinc]

if we keep complaining about acro we bout to get ranged law rework

[cinder relic]

Old KS was always behind the target

[keen belfry]

i think id actually prefer the root for pure visual relief

[shell fossil]

also that's a dummy most cata/wrath fights involved movement

[safe pasture]

if you close your eyes it helps

[vivid vessel]

i mean the root is still just as cool visually lol

if anything its better cause you can actually see the animation

[dense bolt]

why are we just randomly settling for ks being a root at all

[vivid vessel]

i press ks and my camera goes under every wall and rock and shit

[violet ferry]

KS makes sense if Oulaw is supposed to be an acrobatic striker
However, it makes zero sense that an acrobatic striker would fling themselves into a pit

[vivid vessel]

cant see

[red zinc]

only time ks looks cool is if you use the zaqali transmog toy

[keen belfry]

ks kinda makes me go a lil psycho mid dungeon

[shell fossil]

weren't there pistol skins in the works

where are my nuggies

[vivid vessel]

timmy is a pussy

[torpid fiber]

looking at ppl using ks feels like playing geometry dash tbh

[glass mortar]

the glyphs r out already

of the pistol skins

[shell fossil]

wuh

[glass mortar]

they came out in the funny ring patch

[torpid fiber]

they're giga unnoticeable ime

[glass mortar]

ye

[shell fossil]

:0

[mighty pivot]

they are impossible to see

[vivid vine]

i love pressing ks with big circles on me

[glass mortar]

only one of them even adds any animation

[vivid vine]

gets people panicking

[glass mortar]

its kinda cute tho

[torpid fiber]

I legit couldn't notice the one i used when actively looking for it

[glass mortar]

the ashvane pistol adds a little azerite particle poof to ur PS

[keen belfry]

i genuinel think i will look back at tww s2 outlaw rogue as a fever dream

[glass mortar]

i wish theyd added a hand crossbow animation

[craggy barn]

what if ks sent a bunch of explosions on your target that was uncapped, and they changed the name to canonball barrage

[red zinc]

this is the intended way to play the video game

[vivid vine]

you just spawn a ship

and it's starting pumping

[safe pasture]

doesnt fit the arcane theme

[keen belfry]

i think im way to used to the BS (not broadside) i have to deal with when i play trickster in challenging content, once im removed ill fairly say this is ass cheeks and i cant believe i played it

[safe pasture]

maybe arcane barage

D:

[craggy barn]

what if it sent a gnkme mage casting arcane explosion as the fall from the sky

[red zinc]

pistol model honestly looks really good for how small it normally is

[torpid fiber]

just make them rockets and it's jinx

[craggy barn]

nah exploding gnomes seems better

[safe pasture]

now you're cookin

[vivid vine]

where do you get the zaqali toy?

[safe pasture]

can yall stop being so good I loose top 500 every day cause I get trolled every day in my 15s D:

[craggy barn]

stop getting trolled then

[vivid vessel]

top 500??

[red zinc]

think it was from obsidian citadel rare farming

[safe pasture]

i cant im too good at it

[vivid vessel]

bro max i did is a top 20

you are an actual gamer

[craggy barn]

zac ur behind

[safe pasture]

look here zac we cant all be giga gamers

[red zinc]

crazy to me there is even 500 outlaw players

honestly

impressive

[safe pasture]

and this the only season outlaw is this dead for me to get it lol

its 98 % too which is the funny part this spec so dead xd

[mighty pivot]

just be top 1 (at home)

[craggy barn]

if only we got titles on a per spec basis

[vivid vessel]

btw

its quite high this season

i think resilient is doing work

kekw

[dense bolt]

noob horde

L

[craggy barn]

do u have to be all faction for title?

[vivid vessel]

its all faction

[torpid fiber]

horde omegalul

[vivid vessel]

idk why the horder/alliance thing is still here

it doesnt count

[safe pasture]

damn thats a huge dif

[lime lake]

horde L

[craggy barn]

ye ally racials op

[vivid vessel]

i mean

99% of tanks

are meld

half the dpser and healer

are meld

rest are dwarf

[craggy barn]

arent u orc now zac

[safe pasture]

you think they will change meld skips after how big they are this season?

[lime lake]

nope

[vivid vessel]

i went back dwarf after prog

[craggy barn]

ah

[vivid vessel]

sionce outlaw one trick

[craggy barn]

wont catch me race changing

[vivid vessel]

i think they need to change the dungeons rather

[hybrid crown]

worgen is the best one

[craggy barn]

i wonder what rank i am as forsaken outlaw

[vivid vessel]

why does every mob see stealth

[craggy barn]

no metric sadge

[torpid fiber]

They'll just give some mobs super true sight that can see meld

[vivid vessel]

when in the end you have 10000 ways to skip them

[lime lake]

i was tempted to race change to velf but that shits way too expensive

fuck that

[safe pasture]

because we want you to fight funny fish monster D:

[vivid vessel]

that doesnt work cuh

[craggy barn]

they did that bc they hated shroud skips since MOP

[vivid vessel]

mobs see thru meld lol

[torpid fiber]

no it's a new type of true sight

[vivid vessel]

its just that you dash out then lose combat

[keen belfry]

awangawangaw will be title this season guys. okay?

[vivid vessel]

its not about sight

[lime lake]

based

[craggy barn]

oh right meld

[vivid vessel]

thats how the game works

[torpid fiber]

makes meld not work smh

[vivid vessel]

and then you do it with

vanish

or

feign death

[crystal pine]

does true sight have a bigger aggro radius vs. stealth?

[vivid vessel]

or idk

[craggy barn]

depends on the mob

[torpid fiber]

yeah exactly it wouldn't work so blizzard will do it

[vivid vessel]

monk ring can do the skip of the 2 big dudes in brew for example

the thing you have to do is to allow people to skip things lol

stop having every mob have true sight

players will still skipo them

just it will be cringe

[lime lake]

ye just fucking let people use shroud/invis pots again

[vivid vessel]

yes

[craggy barn]

truesight exists bc they WANT to force mobs on u, but people are clever

[vivid vessel]

no

idk what the question is

stealth helps against true sight

still

its not actually true sight

its better sight

[white marten]

Our captain is a dragon?

[craggy barn]

just distract and mobs wont see u bc ur not in front of them anymore 🙂

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[crystal pine]

another random question for the pros - does distracting the true sight baddies to face the other direction do anything for aggro detection?

[craggy barn]

it do be a real thing sometimes

[vivid vessel]

biggest thing with distract is just that it reduce the range

[lime lake]

hide under a cardboard box and they wont notice you

[vivid vessel]

not even to turn mob around

thats mostly useless

[vivid vessel]

yes

but also

distract is better than this

most of the times the orientation og the mob doesnt matter

cause

you arent in the actual vision cone ever anwyay

but distract reduce its like

circle of vision

[safe pasture]

similar to mind soothe?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[safe pasture]

pog

[vivid vessel]

exaclyty like mind soothe

[crystal pine]

like "mind soothe at home"

[vivid vessel]

but less powerful

but also more powerful

cause it works on every mob

and a lot of things you can skip with shroud + distract

while they have true sight

also speed also helps

[safe pasture]

any way to skip funny fish with it ? D:

[vivid vessel]

like outlaw can litteraly go past anything with grapple for example

[vivid vessel]

yes

you go under the bridge

on the water

but you need water walking from shaman or dk

or its too slow

[craggy barn]

under?

[safe pasture]

no fuckin wayyyyy

[vivid vessel]

and maybe everyone need a movement speed cd idk

you do this

[craggy barn]

oh shit

[safe pasture]

brooo thats gona be so huge for pugs if i can do that

[vivid vessel]

but ye you need to be shrouded the whole way cause there are mobs under water

[safe pasture]

tyyyy

[vivid vessel]

that will see you

[lime lake]

lmao thats hype

[runic bough]

Alert

The outlaw article is bugged and isn't showing up on wowhead. It appears the bugs on outlaw have spread to wowheads outlaw article.

Release date TBD.

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk if its easier or not

[cinder relic]

?

[vivid vessel]

cause ye you need to be shrouded the whole way

• you need water walking

• you need to be quick

[lime lake]

speed shroud gaming

[glass mortar]

article came out yesterday

[lime lake]

sub op

[vivid vessel]

you still havent blocked ryuk?

[runic bough]

Wait wut

I never got the botice

Notice

Lol

Lets go read it

[unreal swift]

So how does rush gcd reduction scale with haste

[torpid fiber]

huh I don't actually know

[vivid vessel]

25% haste is

25% less gcd

[torpid fiber]

I know the cap

But not the in-between

[subtle ginkgo]

Servers up

[safe pasture]

should be 1:1

[torpid fiber]

also wait isn't this untrue it's 20% less

[vivid vessel]

yes its untrue

[torpid fiber]

0.8s no?

[vivid vessel]

idk the math

[runic bough]

Wtf it came out at midnight that's why I didn't see it

[vivid vessel]

but it works like that

25% = 20% less

but its like

[torpid fiber]

linear kk

[vivid vessel]

its mathematics

you know

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[craggy barn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[craggy barn]

idk math

[glass mortar]

there iti s

zac did the math

!

[vivid vessel]

i did the math

so easy

[glass mortar]

proud o u

[safe pasture]

gl on vault bois

[mighty pivot]

source?

[vivid vessel]

i just made it up

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

i invented maths

for this

btw

dont thank me

[torpid fiber]

fuck u

[craggy barn]

its increased gcd reduction in the wording isnt it

[torpid fiber]

ur why my uni degree is so hard

[craggy barn]

so yea 1.25

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/quick-maths-mans-not-hot-gif-11163522

[shell fossil]

aw i got a socket this week u_u

[sharp hinge]

Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u there

i wanna show u something

[vivid vessel]

show me

[runic bough]

Guys

[vivid vessel]

waht do i take

[runic bough]

This a joke or what

[proven ocean]

lmao

zac

look at the dmg profile

isnt it funny

[inner stump]

grim codex op

[sharp hinge]

honey buzzer

[vivid vessel]

what

whats funny

[runic bough]

Outlaw article is bugged

[proven ocean]

anyways now that u saw

[vivid vessel]

ah

[proven ocean]

deleting

cuz

[runic bough]

I need to go to wowhead and look for it now

[vivid vessel]

i guess thats funny

idk sin

[proven ocean]

i dont think

any sin

can know these things

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

cuz idk how they'll find that out in sims

ngl zac

i think im doing alot more than any sin atm

like

alot alot more

[proven ocean]

quite funny that i was gapping without sanguine blades

[vivid vessel]

imagine if you had that during our prioory run

...

but you decided to troll

this run could have been a statement

+2 priory 19

[proven ocean]

it would be

[vivid vessel]

but no

buddy

[proven ocean]

2 chest

[vivid vessel]

is trolling

[proven ocean]

lmao

legit

2 chest

on 19

priory

[vivid vessel]

whats the timer on 2 chest actually lol

[proven ocean]

i check

now

19 min for 2 chest

[glass mortar]

so close

[proven ocean]

wait

no

[proven ocean]

19 min for 3 chest

xdxddxdxd

[vivid vessel]

ok hum

[proven ocean]

ok

[safe pasture]

wtffff

[proven ocean]

that looks

[vivid vessel]

its a bit close

[proven ocean]

very very

possible

[vivid vessel]

tbf

[proven ocean]

like

[lusty sparrow]

5% sub buffs

[vivid vessel]

ye possible

[proven ocean]

i swear thats very easy

[vivid vessel]

boss at 40%

[proven ocean]

zac

we even went slow

lol

like

[vivid vessel]

ye i know lol

[proven ocean]

we pulled the last mini boss

WITHOUT ANY PACK MAN

LIKE

I DID 0 DPS

[vivid vessel]

i think its so funny to get a timer like that

[proven ocean]

XDXDXDX

[vivid vessel]

with our route

[proven ocean]

BRO

LIKE

[vivid vessel]

our route is the safest route on the planet

[proven ocean]

before 2nd boss

we played

like

3 mobs solo

i was like bro?

we want better timer

or

?

[craggy barn]

craY

[proven ocean]

then we gap r1 19 by 1 whole minute

with those shit hole talents i had

lmaoaoaoaoo

[cinder relic]

Insane sub ring

[lusty sparrow]

aug evoker dmg

[formal axle]

Gamers is running this in both hands worth or not ?

[safe pasture]

i dont have the r druid disc so asking here does anyone know if secondary stat buffs like from signet of the priory trink apply to hots already applied? got trolled and thats only ok thing they gave in vault

[vivid vessel]

i dont think you can do that

[craggy barn]

it doesnt say unique

[vivid vessel]

alright then

well its bad anyway

you wnat capo

but also just sim it

[formal axle]

fair

[vivid vessel]

but that shit is trash in m+

and especially in hero

just get a mythic main hand

[craggy barn]

imo crafted better

[formal axle]

aight , thanks gamers

[proven ocean]

ZAC

GREATER ENCHANTS

[vivid vessel]

BRO THATS ME

[proven ocean]

THISKWEK

FIJOMPREKQ[;LGQTELRKGQBMQETHBROGJKLHBN TRBHJNT QKOL'BHT

[vivid vessel]

huge cuh !

they are all trash tho !

[craggy barn]

did they bump it up?

its next week is it not

since lessers were last week

[lime lake]

[craggy barn]

man i dont even get to do orgrimmar visions

i get back on stormwind again i think

[wary wind]

hello based department

[vivid vessel]

not haste vers

trash

delete

[wary wind]

i got my haste elsewhere already king

[lime lake]

wheres the avoidance

not even good

[vivid vessel]

no

[frank finch]

looks like we do get greater today

[craggy barn]

no aboid amd no free aock

[vivid vessel]

toommorow

[bright crane]

great TD

[frank finch]

oh right we beta test for eu i forgot

[lime lake]

i heckin love greater enchants

[bright crane]

All the homies love greater enchants

They hate lesser enchants

[runic bough]

@cinder relic nice article thanks again representing us.

[glass mortar]

zac u gunna use greater TD

surely the PUMP is worth pulling random nonsense packs every key

[vivid vessel]

no

[bright crane]

I legit haven’t pulled once

[craggy barn]

are greaters repeat use or not

[bright crane]

Doubt it zomb

[craggy barn]

safge

[bright crane]

Lesser aren’t

[craggy barn]

i mean greaters could be bc theyre better

[bright crane]

Maybe they’re greater?

Heheheh

[craggy barn]

mayhaps

[vivid vessel]

not funny ?

[runic bough]

Gushing wound doesn't feel very gushing does it guys

[hidden bay]

feel like nothing is happening at all

td is cool visually ish at least

[runic bough]

Yup

[hidden bay]

go td

[wary wind]

I WIN

[vivid vessel]

win what

you lose

noob

[proven ocean]

any reason why

killing gallypig

doesnt unlock house of pigs in dinar?

[hidden bay]

anti boosting

[craggy barn]

bc house of pigs comes from one armed piglet

[cold jewel]

first week opening as WW

[proven ocean]

well i guess i am boosted afterall

unlucky

[vivid vessel]

skill issue ?

[proven ocean]

would love some fucking good thing from vault tho man i want like

uhh

like

i want

like

hmm

wait

let me think

ye

house of pigs

[runic bough]

Zeross is boosted I knew it

[proven ocean]

and

eye of pigs

and

[sharp hinge]

sir this is the rogue discor

[cinder oxide]

hold on, if you weren't in for every boss you don't get the dinar chance? I gotta go point and laugh at someone rq

[proven ocean]

jastor of pigs too wouled be big

[cold jewel]

ya did you see my pfp

stay mad

[vivid vessel]

I swear there was a killing spree enjoyer guy

where did he go

now that killing spree is playable

[runic bough]

He quit

[cold jewel]

hes past that level of grief/depression

[reef forge]

am i cooked for wanting them to only fix ks and not touch anything else

[torpid fiber]

I should start posting rabbit and steel dps in #1184888068264689756

[reef forge]

it feels so fun to play right now

[runic bough]

He probably rerolled with everyone else

[cold jewel]

fix KS + give ER back

[red zinc]

Greater corruptions out

[cold jewel]

chef's kiss

[red zinc]

not taking 4 weeks

ev surely fixed too?

[craggy barn]

lessers shouldnt have exosted

[runic bough]

Drip feed says hello

I have no use for the dinar system

Still only vault

[young wadi]

any suggestions? I'm 648 ilvl outlaw rogue with bad trinkets

[icy cedar]

whistle

best trinket in the game

[young wadi]

not this one?

[icy cedar]

no

[red zinc]

It aint even hero track

so idk

[icy cedar]

whistle is the highest simming of those trinkets

isnt it

[red zinc]

nah starts at 49

[icy cedar]

sim them i guess

[young wadi]

these are my two trinkets lol

[red zinc]

wat da hell are those

[icy cedar]

sim them at max ilvl*

[vivid vessel]

wtf

[red zinc]

never seen those before

[vivid vessel]

is the book

cuh

[proven beacon]

Hey fellas, especially zac, i saw on ur stream a weak aura to swap weapon any chance someone have it ?

[young wadi]

idk im new 😦

[icy cedar]

the potion is like a wq trinket from the spider zone isnt it

[young wadi]

yes it is

[runic bough]

Do we have to do more visions for greater enchant?

[icy cedar]

yes

[vivid vessel]

@fallen knot

you there

[runic bough]

Damnit they are so boring

[proven ocean]

it wont change ur overall

[icy cedar]

doesn't take long, especially on outlaw

[proven ocean]

[runic bough]

Well

At least I'm at the top in most of my keys still

So its decent

[covert kestrel]

Ryu is back to yellow name

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-war-is-over-gif-26452397

[rotund zodiac]

L vault

[runic bough]

Nah trololspree can trigger me at any moment

[rotund zodiac]

[runic bough]

U have chest already

Sorry flushies

[rotund zodiac]

shhh don't tell zac

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

imagine

the overall i showed u

was in priory

xd

crazy how ppl arent minmaxing it

[rotund zodiac]

I might take the cape idk

[runic bough]

Holy shitzo 1k avoidance

[rotund zodiac]

nvm I took tokens

[runic bough]

U know I still survive 1 shots with 40verse and avoidance in 14's

If full hp when hit

[vivid vessel]

i got shoulders instead

[proven ocean]

btw zac

like

[vivid vessel]

i think its better anyway

[proven ocean]

every log im checking rn

is doing atleast 5% less than me

from that ability alone

lol

[rotund zodiac]

which shoulders

[proven ocean]

like

its not only huge dmg

its also very good at nuking a mob hard

but ye

we should be rly good later

great minmax inc

[runic bough]

They give more haste

Than the chest

Or same

[vivid vessel]

its better cause the chest has vers anyway

i think

[rotund zodiac]

yea true

[runic bough]

Hmm

There are really good vers legs 🦵

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

can u play later

?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[rotund zodiac]

bruh, visions still timegated for another week? can't get all the upgrades

[sharp hinge]

you enjoy running them?

i go for the head enchant and get tf out

[rotund zodiac]

I like collecting transmogs and mounts

[red zinc]

They shouldnt be

The enchants anyway

mayb the upgrades are

[rotund zodiac]

the guy won't let me buy more upgrade tokens

I'll finish the enchants quest and see if he offer more upgrades

[reef forge]

do we get greater corruption tomorrow?

[sharp hinge]

we get it today

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel whats ur key btw

we have rly good keys for tonight

21 ML, 20 Priory

yes, our 3 min ML was with that poison shit talent too

so

we should be way faster this time xdd

@vivid vessel i think monksea plays in 3 hrs

so if u can be rdy in that time

would be big

otherwise we get murtaz or someshit idk

[hidden bay]

you guys still runing lens for embels?

[keen belfry]

man ive been doing keys with one embelly

cuz my OH has the embelly

[hidden bay]

i just notice ive been running 0

[blissful geode]

Spill the beans bro

[subtle ginkgo]

i see a few people on murlok using a dagger int he OH - thats not good at all..right?

[gaunt phoenix]

no dagger is fine, its slightly better than a regular weapon even (by like 0.2%)

[vivid vessel]

guyyys

he found out about the secret sauce !

[subtle ginkgo]

do tell.

[glass mortar]

wouldnt be secret sauce then

just normal boring sauce

[subtle ginkgo]

apparently i cant read, he said he, not I.

[stuck sparrow]

dagger is better than a vanilla oh

[vivid vessel]

intelect dagger isnt good tho

if thats what you meant

[glass mortar]

sounds like something someone hiding the secret sauce would say

ong

[stuck sparrow]

People crafting intellect dagger kind of proves my point

on people dont read

[long barn]

@zac what are you simming ST with your KIR

[glass mortar]

i think they expect there to be a safeguard in place to go "hey idiot you are crafting a worthless weapon right now"

but there isnt any ye

[stuck sparrow]

im pretty sure

the primary stat is greyed out

[glass mortar]

yes

i mean im sure theres people that arent even aware there are non agi daggers

same for swords

why tf does a mage need a sword

what u gunna do stab a guy?

[stuck sparrow]

spellblades?

idk

[glass mortar]

you can clearly fit all this intellect on a tiny blade

sure but we dont have spellblades

spellblade would go hard af

[stuck sparrow]

i feel the surprising ones are usually

[glass mortar]

😠

[stuck sparrow]

intellect 2h maces

[glass mortar]

theres 2h int swords too since evokers got added

and they can use them

im sure people dont realize that

[muted chasm]

has corruption changed at all? Are we still going gushing for greater enchant?

[glass mortar]

if u dont wanna risk TD

[long barn]

Can we get greater or next week

[glass mortar]

dont think anything changes between the enchants greater or minor tho

just their relative % of your overall dps goes up

[stuck sparrow]

havent 2h int swords existed for awhile

or was it just maces

[glass mortar]

i mean theres been 2h int swords and maces since probably vanilla

just absurdly rare

like, not serious items. i remember WoD having a rare that dropped a 2h int axe and like nobody could use it

sometimes the devs just add funny weapons, but now we have dedicated crafted ones/pvp gear and such

[stuck sparrow]

There was a 2h int mace in throne of thunder if i recall.

One of those shared loot table weapons

[glass mortar]

mhm

[stuck sparrow]

Those weapons btw are a huge pain in the ass.

To collect for transmog

Mostly want the bow

[subtle ginkgo]

like i have the cudgel - but i also have a 681dagger... so im like hmm

the cudgel feels like shit tho? doesnt seem to work how i was expecting.

[crimson cypress]

happy vault day

Is it better to have a completed set of mixed veteran/champion/hero gear or instead break the set to replace 1 piece with mythic + gear?

[gaunt phoenix]

set as in tier set?

[stuck sparrow]

It likely depends what slot I imagine no?

Like maybe going vet to myth in head or chest is worth

[crimson cypress]

It’s for shoulder, maybe not worth then?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you mean breaking your tier set bonus then it's never worth

[stuck sparrow]

You have 5 pieces

The set bonus is only for 4.

[safe pasture]

i see people are running both gushing and twilight dev which is better for m+?

[tight egret]

Technically TD, but it can ninja pull

I run KS anyway so might as well run TD 😛

[safe pasture]

ty!

[stuck sparrow]

just blame it on someone else

[crimson cypress]

ok thx

[glass mortar]

it can be much more offensive then kspree but yea if u dont mind the risk enjoy

[glass mortar]

not sure what u mean

but cudgel is securely BiS offhand in dungeon trash situations

[frail veldt]

yeah feels great honestly haha

can finally keep up in big aoe packs

[runic bough]

Has anyone sim the weapon embellishment on dagger with a gear embellishment that doubles the effect?

[cinder relic]

Alright whos jealous

[runic bough]

Would be crafted dagger only

[glass mortar]

the secondary stats one?

[glass mortar]

can i skyride in this tho

[cinder relic]

Nope!

[glass mortar]

[runic bough]

Yes it would be verse but it would be better of it was more than double vers dusk

[glass mortar]

the secondary stat one gives random secondaries not just vers

thats part of why its so bad

[runic bough]

[glass mortar]

for us anyway, but embellishments themselves r probably like 2% or less dps now a day so

i doubt it can be that far behind

these things barely matter

[runic bough]

Well I was thinking 89 stat doubled

Is 178

X10

Is more than double dusk

[glass mortar]

sure cause u need it to proc 10 times to get it up to that

[runic bough]

Oh well

[glass mortar]

and those 10 procs need to be vers ones

[runic bough]

Ye

Embellishment just a chore thing now

Nothing special

They could have given us a new power for each season

Like spider killer 9000 for s1

S2 could be like doing more damage to goblin vehicles such as the flame jet trinket kind of way

Everytime you hit a goblin it dents their vehicle for 1% damage and you could hear chipping sound effects

[cinder relic]

What

[runic bough]

Like the flame jet supposed to be used in workshop to do more dmg on mechanical mobs

But it still sucks

[cinder relic]

Ppl in DF said embellishments were too good so they made em slightly worse this expac

[runic bough]

Who said that

[mighty pivot]

S3 is xalatath's feet leave a trail and the longer you are in it your KS becomes faster down to 1s minimum

[cinder relic]

People

[runic bough]

Well they need to be prosecuted

[subtle ginkgo]

So wait, cudgel on trash then dagger on boss?

[glass mortar]

yes

[runic bough]

Omg I need to sim 71 capo vs 84 dagger in single target

[glass mortar]

whatever ur strongest non cudgel oh is on bosses

[runic bough]

I think I sim that already but I forgot just been using capo on bosses

[subtle ginkgo]

Appreciate all the answers today from everyone btw. I have so many damn questions but determined to figure it out

[glass mortar]

capo hc is still bis in the oh as far as i know

for bosses/places u cant cudgel

[runic bough]

Do u guys switch when there's only 1 prio target left in trash

I'm starting to barely remember to switch for bosses lol

[glass mortar]

ive done it for boss mobs that are just 1 target the whole pull

not sure its worth losing the gcd when its a mob at not full hp thats just the last one left tho

also, major reason u switch for bosses is u cannot proc cudgel more then once

[subtle ginkgo]

I found myself comparing my damage to one of the higher parccers in a mythic…

I was using senator strike like twice as much as they are and pistol shot half as much . Am I supposed to pistol even when I’m not proved?

[glass mortar]

i have no idea how cudgel performs on st if u can reset it

[runic bough]

Yeah like the giant fish in flood or the champions in top

[glass mortar]

u cant sim to test unfortunatly so someone would need to do an override to see

[glass mortar]

no you only PS if its procced for every build

(you dont always PS when its procced, that is just the only time you ever cast it)

naked PS is like, you cant be in melee range and ur energy capped

dont ever wanna waste energy that could have been spent on a real builder on it

[runic bough]

Wait

I always use ps when it's avail

[glass mortar]

u shouldnt be

theres lots of cases where u cast ambush or even SS over it depending on your CP level/if you are in crackshot or not/how many PS procs u have

[runic bough]

Maybe that's my min maxing to hit 5mil overall

I should read ps rules again for ho

[frail veldt]

as HO you pretty much press PS proc whenever you dont have audacity

unless youre at a finish condition

you literally PS at 4 cps as HO

as KiR your PS rules are more nuanced cuz KiR requires a lot more CP efficiency

but youre still playing HO right? @runic bough

[glass mortar]

whenever u dont have access to ambush covers more cases but yea

[frail veldt]

oh true yeah

[glass mortar]

HOs really only nitty gritty use of PS is in crackshot you only want to consume charges if you have broadside and 1 CP

otherwise u just ambush

[long barn]

What’s the best way to sim higher keys. I feel like KIR should pull ahead over HO but it’s so hard to sim.

[frail veldt]

HO prio is simple
Ambush > PS(with proc) > SS

[frail veldt]

dslice

not really a great way to do higher keys

but dslice is still rather trustworthy

[runic bough]

Ambush has prio then if not avail can use ps confirm?

[long barn]

And why does HO sim so much higher than KIR on patchwork.

[frail veldt]

Ambush(via audacity or subt) > PS(with proc) > SS

[frail veldt]

it shouldnt

link sim

[long barn]

Gimme like 5 min and I’ll send it

[frail veldt]

kk

[long barn]

Letting dogs out

I’ve tried recreating and shit to get 19.5%

And like HO is simming 2.9 mil or something stupid

And KIR not even on the list lol

[frail veldt]

theres always a culprit somewhere haha

[long barn]

Haha

[lost dagger]

have heroic keys/pacemaker. this or myth chest?

[frail veldt]

we know KiR and HO sim similar in st

with bis setup

[long barn]

Ok good

[frail veldt]

so theres probably something going on

[long barn]

Excellent

Yea gimme like 5

[frail veldt]

which chest?

[glass mortar]

HO sims better st

[lost dagger]

good one

[glass mortar]

fwiw

[frail veldt]

I mean

by like 1%?

if even

[long barn]

Yea mine is like 4%

[glass mortar]

ye it shouldnt be big

4% could just be the gear of the profile

[frail veldt]

4% is probably a gear thing

[glass mortar]

being better for ho

[frail veldt]

^

HO likes crit more than KiR does

[runic bough]

Its his haste probably

[long barn]

Need your guys help. Ty

[glass mortar]

but also to be sure, you are simming fatebound kir vs trickster HO right

[subtle ginkgo]

if im sitting at 17k haste - is that too much for HO or KiR?