outlaw

[wintry solar]

its neutral in my sims

at worst its like, less than a 1 percent loss

[red zinc]

whats a tv

[wintry solar]

Thiefs Versatility I imagine

[runic bough]

3% vers is huge tho

its technically 6% vers with druid buff

huge huge

Guys are u ready for some infos

Here is parse numbers for prot pally

80,000

get ready for outlaw

9000 parses only

[leaden folio]

i dont understand m+ parse

[runic bough]

i wonder how many parses dh tank have since its meta

109,000!

[leaden folio]

the m+ parse at right. comparing with same level of the key is understandable

but the m+ parse you are pointing. i never find it ok

[runic bough]

I just wanted to see the number of parses

[leaden folio]

y no problem

i am just trying to understand

it is rly about the dps

or it is about the level of the key

[runic bough]

you can see the popularity of a spec with the parse amount

[random stirrup]

there are also 26 dps specs for 3 slots compared to 6 tanks for 1 slot

[leaden folio]

like there is 9667 outlaw run meanwhile there is 109870 vdh at this season ?

[runic bough]

yes

but they are just log numbers, could be multiple of the same character. Does not mean its a different person per log.

I think

[fathom bramble]

raider io numbers are better for this kind of spec popularity checking

[leaden folio]

y because a loooooooot of people dont send log for m+

[runic bough]

yeah not a lot of people upload the logs

and a lot of pro player go private

could be a lot more numbers

[fathom bramble]

that's all season all key levels

which is the same thing you see on that parse number on wlogs

[ripe ibex]

guys how does zac do so much damage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FT3BAnQhrg17LDK2?fight=last&type=damage-done

[cinder haven]

He’s pretty good

[ripe ibex]

i dont think im palying good but

idk this just cant be right

[random stirrup]

u do have 0 raid buffs

that are useful

[runic bough]

Also ret is uncapped aoe

We will always lose aoe dps

[random stirrup]

ignore that outlaw can top overall

[cinder haven]

He does everything possible that he can think of that will increase dps basically

[west dirge]

ryu back to outlaw? haha

[ripe ibex]

yeah idk feel like i should be toppping this dungeon

pretty much no matter what

[fathom bramble]

imagine the 6.5m overall that could have been with the right raid buffs

still below the 7m the paladin did though

Zac is just perma playing out of his mind

[umbral verge]

That is a lot of fucking ret pallies. Holy

[runic bough]

also no because a lot of ks interuptions

IF we have ks removed then we can win all dungeon easy no cap fr fr

[ripe ibex]

yeah i do think i know most of them but i dont really have that many reps

[fathom bramble]

I feel like it's not a helpful answer at all, but I think it's just Zac playing better in enough small areas to make the difference

not really any 1 thing

[torpid fiber]

yeah like maybe he has secret tech but also i think it's much more likely he's just better and his group is pulling around him perma as well

[runic bough]

Also zac play perfect rotations

I just press buttons

so my dmg is lower

i dont know why im pressing them

full understanding of what to press will be huge I think

and then execute it

[random stirrup]

not that it makes a big difference but why are you playing mana oil

for haste cap?

[red zinc]

You are missing a crazy amount of damage from buffs

like

5.5m(?) details damage on that without any buffs means you are doing really well icl

If you had the same buffs he does you’d do like 6.4

which is alr pretty close

[hidden bay]

Less popular than sv pog dude

[runic bough]

oh yeah they said it was like another million dmg with war buff

and druid buff

[fathom bramble]

last 4 resets tells a more realistic story

but still a very similar one

[torpid fiber]

despite this, outlaw title ppl have more titles than half the specs above us lmao (image credit lofibanshee on twitter)

[hidden bay]

Stonking

[red zinc]

demo better than destro icl

[fathom bramble]

yeah outlaw is very very top end focused

[torpid fiber]

really shows how the average player does not care as much about the meta as people like to believe

[fathom bramble]

we saw the same thing in warcraftlogs when we looked giga on there due to a few outlaws playing in mythic when other specs were better

[red zinc]

what does title have anything to do with the average player

Feels like the opposite

[torpid fiber]

compare and contrast

[red zinc]

average player cares way too much about meta than they should cause they don’t know shit

[torpid fiber]

title data is arguably a useful "meta spec" data source
loktark is posting actual average player data

[hidden bay]

Outlaw being low is nothing to do with its dmg, spec is just cooked rn

[torpid fiber]

but yeah average player should ignore the meta

[fathom bramble]

comparing the 2 lets you see that outlaw is perhaps not realistic for casual players

or "average" players

and I don't think that's a problem necessarily

[random stirrup]

spriest surely will rise back up a bit with the buffs on reset

[torpid fiber]

outlaw/warrior also have the problem of being completely awful to find pugs as bc of 0 key class utility pieces, I'd be unsurprised if that was affecting their M+ playrate

[hidden bay]

I do because its now too hard for me to play xd

[fathom bramble]

oof

[runic bough]

war is having trouble? i find that hard to believe. They bring a buff.

[red zinc]

sp is just worse ranged outlaw

[fathom bramble]

I mean to some extent not every spec is for everyone right

[red zinc]

[random stirrup]

yeah but warr sucks lol

[fathom bramble]

I think outlaw has maybe slid too far, but it's always been a much harder than average spec to play

[torpid fiber]

average player level pugs don't care about raid buffs they care about lust, brez, and sometimes dispels

[runic bough]

war has no trolololspree and a buff

looks fine

[wicked obsidian]

retri is the only non meta spec what is able to shine, because all children of blizz employees are playing it...

[random stirrup]

and warr buff being relevant is very conditional on finding other phys specs to play with

[runic bough]

yeah tru

[random stirrup]

theyre kind of hard locked to phys comps

[fathom bramble]

can just invite a hunter and a ret

[random stirrup]

yea but then youre playing hunter warr ret 💀

[fathom bramble]

there's plenty of those to go around for mid level keys

[fathom bramble]

what could possibly go wrong

[red zinc]

Average ret on those keys presses divine storm on st

[runic bough]

there is like 5 hunters insta applying to my keys so yeah

hunter always available to invite

[random stirrup]

rets are surely divine storming the yes men in cinderbrew because they know im running improved wound poison (im not)

[hoary wave]

Guys how much haste should i go for as outlaw? is 20% a good spot?

[hidden bay]

Hopefully the upcoming rework dials back outlaw a little bit, making it playable for more ppl while not pissing off zacs and the like too much

[fathom bramble]

I'll run wound if they get on the bees

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[random stirrup]

idk I think its in a pretty good spot atm other than ks

HO is much easier and competitive

[onyx spear]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hidden bay]

I do a lot worse on ho idk why

[fathom bramble]

I think we could afford to lose some of the insane apm and move back to engaging with our procs a bit more

[red zinc]

because it has no aura

You gotta feel cool playing outlaw

ho doesnt do that

[long barn]

I totally agree. I hope they don’t change this.

[fathom bramble]

outlaw would still be fun(to me) with a bit lower apm and KS gone

[runic bough]

have u checked ur haste amount

[random stirrup]

I thnk once u play KIR long enough your brain simply becomes unable to play HO well without practice

[hidden bay]

Must be

[random stirrup]

not used to ambush mashing enough

[red zinc]

Pussiho

[hidden bay]

I havent really played ho since getting tier set in df s3

[runic bough]

I like both but HO with same haste as kir is nice for me

[fathom bramble]

biggest mistake I see on people swapping to HO is slamming PS when you shouldn't

[runic bough]

try different haste levels

[fathom bramble]

at least the most common

[random stirrup]

yea I def do that when i do ho on occasion

Kir muscle memory

[hidden bay]

Its just so inconsistent unless you go cto

[runic bough]

HO needs cto

[hidden bay]

End up perma not having buffs on big packs

[runic bough]

or ur stuck with 1 buffs

[hidden bay]

If you take cto then you either do a lot worse st or cleave

[fathom bramble]

I also think it's easy to forget to roll when you should be

since the pack is almost over

but really you should just keep hitting it

that's a mistake I noticed myself making at the start of this season a lot

[hidden bay]

Yeah im also doing a lot of roll mistakes on kir

[runic bough]

My issue is rolling if I have less than 5 buff BUT i have rp and dont want to lose it.

[hidden bay]

Container should be removed imo

[fathom bramble]

pretty high chance you get RP or something better anyway

[hidden bay]

As it requires a wa

[fathom bramble]

container bugs all being fixed would be wild

[runic bough]

RP is the best one for bte u crazy

[fathom bramble]

instantly delete every weird kir rule

[random stirrup]

how do you remove container without bricking kir as a button though

[hidden bay]

Make kir lower cd and just make it so buffs are rerolled

[fathom bramble]

I mean if you fix the container bugs then kir just does what it says on the tin

with no weird container interactions

[hidden bay]

Idk why not

[random stirrup]

yea but then it gets significantly worse

[fathom bramble]

probably

[torpid fiber]

is there any new container tech this season than previous kir seasons? bc i feel like in the past i could do fine with just a standard rtb tracking wa for kir

[hidden bay]

You make kir lower cd/ buff cto chance to compensate

[random stirrup]

KIR cd being lowered kinda pushes even further towards uptime if the expectation becomes perma extending a 5 buff over and over

[hidden bay]

Buff something kir related to compensate idk. But currently its very counterintuitive

[wintry solar]

I bet kir with cp rtb would've went hard assuming we also had cto

[fathom bramble]

yeah that's true

KIR feedback loop could get strong enough for the infinite 6 buff if the cd is too low compared to the duration

I think the correct thing to buff might be dispatcher if you were to make kir builds weaker like this

[random stirrup]

just make rtb do nothing while KIR buffs are active so you can spam it for supercharger

[red zinc]

S3 tier was perfect man

[fathom bramble]

for the next 30 seconds you don't lose buffs from RTB or Count the odds, and their durations are paused

[red zinc]

Consistent 4buff, but you could also still highroll 5/6 and feel crazy

[long barn]

Why was it perfect. I only played S1 and 2

[red zinc]

[long barn]

No KS?

[fathom bramble]

S3 was that every time you cast RTB you would keep 1 random buff from your previously held buffs

so you get to have 3 on every roll with Loaded dice

[hidden bay]

Minus subterfuge bugs and bte not resetting

[red zinc]

what does that have to do with tier set

[hidden bay]

Nothing

I didnt read it was about tier

Thought it was about general state of outlaw

[silent magnet]

Does ruthless precision affect trinkets?

[wintry solar]

Current outlaw loads better even with ks

[wintry solar]

No

Double vanish and cttc bis

And supercharger

[fathom bramble]

true

[runic bough]

Roll the Bones is no longer a skill to use. Roll the Bones is now a party/raid buff and it gambles which one it gives to the party/raid. You must now spam it until its the buff you want for the encounter.

They would have to change some of them ye

[wintry solar]

Bte reset

[runic bough]

for other classes

to benefit

[long barn]

RtB as a party buff would be so cool. Party only not raid. So 5 people max in raid. And you can’t spam it but each style of buff is activated by what spells you use.

[wintry solar]

Do I run keys or sail the seven seas on Sea of Thieves?

[lime lake]

run keys in sea of thieves

[wintry solar]

Amazing idea

[lime lake]

go do fotd or something

[fathom bramble]

Casting roll the bones gives a buff to 4 nearby allies and yourself. The buff granted is determined by the buff or buffs rolled.

Broadside: 3% versatility
True bearing: Attacks cannot miss
Ruthless precision: 3% critical strike chance and damage
Skull and crossbones: 3% haste
Buried treasure: 5% increased rage, energy, fury, and mana gain.
Grand melee: 3% leech

[fathom bramble]

sea of thieves

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Rtb but instead of buffs, it just increases dam by 5% per buff rolled

[hidden bay]

Perma gm to piss off your team

[runic bough]

I cant count all the cool ideas we have in here

and bliz thinks of nothing

[weary fog]

RTB but it has a jastor diamond-esque effect

[runic bough]

time for bedge guys

[random stirrup]

I know this is tc but a party buff would never happen

imagine the outcry from ppl trying to parse

lmao

[fathom bramble]

well I think it should never be in the game regardless

BUT it should be 4 completely random allies

no party buff

no closest ally

100% random

[long barn]

Can we get someone to add ideas to the wowhead post

[wintry solar]

We just making stuff up because it's fun

Like speculating

[daring yoke]

my only wish they fix/delete killing spree and downtimes/doing mechanics doesnt affect AR as much 😦

[wintry solar]

Bro

[random stirrup]

outlaw evoker

[fathom bramble]

I have a cook for this actually

[wintry solar]

Half the excitement of new expansions are class changes and this time was rather disappointing

[fathom bramble]

Choice node with underhanded upper hand

Upper Hand: Spending combo points extends Adrenaline Rush and Blade flurry durations by x seconds per combo point spent. Additionally Blade flurry and Adrenaline rush cannot lose duration if you have not spent or generated combo points in the last 3 seconds

[runic bough]

good fix

we are always fucked during role playing

goodbye adr

watch it tick down

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-jimcarrey-jim-goodbye-love-gif-4768481

[wintry solar]

It'd probably be something like half a second so you don't have 100% uptime

[daring yoke]

good idea tbh. instead of relying AR to get rid of its CD, do the other way around, increase AR timer

[fathom bramble]

I think half a second might still be 100% uptime

[wintry solar]

It probably would

I need private dev server

[fathom bramble]

like look at restless blades to uhuh to AR ratio right now

you get 6 seconds for every 120 combo points spent. and 6 seconds for every 120 real seconds passing

[runic bough]

also can we talk about

why ks is half our energy bar

[wintry solar]

I had a thought the other day that I bet blizz talked about making restless blades a cooldown. Just seems like a blizz thing to do to me.

[runic bough]

ffs

[vivid vessel]

wtf does pulling around outlaw mean

[fathom bramble]

pull when your cooldowns are up 😛

[runic bough]

zac there was a high key outlaw looking for you hes trying to beat you

[hidden bay]

Change extends to grants and we are cooking big time xdd

Nah maybe too good

[fathom bramble]

honestly half the goal of that cook is to make 100% AR easier

[hidden bay]

But good idea fr

[torpid fiber]

no clue I'm making shit up just like I do half the time

I think the main concept in my brain was like "do 2x8 instead of 1x10+1x6" but honestly I think I'm just dumb

[daring yoke]

yes just give ez 100% AR and do something with KS. i beg 😢

[wintry solar]

Yknow

[runic bough]

Well

u have to think

blizzard always want to punish when they give something

[wintry solar]

For what it's worth, I don't think high adr uptime = fun outlaw by default.

[runic bough]

so think of both

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[runic bough]

what would our punishment be to have 100% adr

[fathom bramble]

I think there's plenty of room to go back to the 40-60% AR range

[vivid vessel]

Ye we don't mega big pull

But idk

I have pugged 95% of my keys this season

And like

Any comp

Any route

Outlaw is good

It's just better with raid buffs

[wintry solar]

I think they're in an expiremental phase tbh

[weary fog]

idk, maybe prison

[vivid vessel]

Also I don't really have any relevant secret tech

[torpid fiber]

Yeah tbc I don't doubt you perma pump but they were already pumping without buffs and asking about that last bit

[vivid vessel]

I know you guys like to think I'm hiding the big gains but

[fathom bramble]

I do also think that 2 charges of AR would be good regardless of our AR uptime

[proper veldt]

zac outlaw believing, this season must be going good

[random stirrup]

[wintry solar]

This is the first time outlaw played with subterfuge rather than vanish itself

[hidden bay]

Thats kinda bold to say considering lack of class updates and espetially rogue updates

[fathom bramble]

AR having a functionally randomized cooldown has always been a bit of a problem

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw is probably back to how it was in s3

But more underrated

[runic bough]

minus trolololspree

[vivid vessel]

Like best standalone DPS in the game

[fathom bramble]

I think playing with mantle felt a lot like this does though

[hidden bay]

Properly rated because trollspree

[vivid vessel]

But no one knows about it

[daring yoke]

but no use. rogue devs are back in hawaii after they fixed our bugs 😭

[vivid vessel]

• killing spree ye

[wintry solar]

Yeah for sure. Def has similarities.

[true cove]

@vivid vessel you have a video of ur rank 1 on gally ?

[runic bough]

Everyone knows about outlaw this season BECAUSE of trolololspree.

[random stirrup]

I played a key with my guildies and gapped them like 15 ilvls down and they asked what blade flurry was

[fathom bramble]

though I am thinking of legion mantle not SL mantle

[random stirrup]

no one knows what this spec does

[fathom bramble]

I tried to avoid SL mantle

[wintry solar]

But outlaw functioned outside of mantle lol

[vivid vessel]

I r1 gally every week

[wintry solar]

I didn't even touch mantle in sl

[vivid vessel]

I actually don't think I ever killed gally and it wasnt a r1

You can just look to any raid vod

[wintry solar]

Just gsw, celerity, and dust

[vivid vessel]

Last reclear was yesterday

[vivid vessel]

It wasn't even a good pull

But idk

It's so easy

On these type of bosses

[fathom bramble]

idk how all my gally kills just have something go catastrophically wrong

[vivid vessel]

I think people haven't realized one thing in raid yet

[fathom bramble]

too long of a fight for me to play perfectly idk

[vivid vessel]

You can hold vanish to do add damage

People need to start realizing this

[fathom bramble]

that was like one of the first things I said you could do with 2 charges

[random stirrup]

i have tried but it feels hard to do without bricking the trickster loop

[fathom bramble]

when people were saying 2 charges won't do anything

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's just different with trickster

But people need to start realizing you can do it with trickster aswell

Sometimes I giga truck my ks loop

Just for pad

Doesn't matter

[fathom bramble]

it doesn't take much pad to overcome inefficent vanish/ks casts

[vivid vessel]

One bte in AOE is worth infinite damage

[vivid vessel]

Sometimes

[wintry solar]

Where's my double vanish and shadow dance outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

It doesn't matter

At all

I do the same on first boss ml

[random stirrup]

mainly thinking of first boss ml

[vivid vessel]

People need to realize you can hold vanihs

[random stirrup]

trying to hold vanish for burn

overhold

have to send it to save AR

no 2x charge for burn

gg

[vivid vessel]

I legit have triple vanihs every ml phase

I believe I'm probably doing the most damage of any spec if I get a good pull on that boss

It's just very rng outlaw on. These type of bosses but ye

[random stirrup]

it just feels like it requires a lot more finesse and thinking ahead than fatebound bingus vanish holding did

not that that is a bad thing

[silk stirrup]

Hey guys, does ruthless precision affect Crit chance of trinkets like the cart or vexxie bike?

[fathom bramble]

no

[long barn]

What’s ml

[silk stirrup]

K

[wintry solar]

K?

Are you mad at him?

[vivid vessel]

Mother licker

[short fulcrum]

Your adds are living longer than 8 seconds?

[wintry solar]

Hot

[long barn]

You trolling me lol

[vivid vessel]

Motherlode there is no adds my guy

[short fulcrum]

Thought you were talking about Gally

[long barn]

I think he’s saying he’s holding the vanishes for the buff phase in boss 1 in motherload.

But he’s also saying he holds vanishes for the add phases in Gally

[weary fog]

whats the total damage amp for first boss lode after all 6 balls go in? like 150%?

[daring yoke]

playing outlaw basically you need to be good at edging

[long barn]

It’s high. And high key groups hold the 6 buff to extend the buff

[pliant wave]

@vivid vessel Are you calculating every KS timing before using it? Or do you just trust Feint and send it even if it's into mechanics?"

[vivid vessel]

of course

you have to

[wintry solar]

Another outlaw told me the other day "you don't get gray parses by doing mechanics so I just send spree"

[pliant wave]

"I don't think I could press KS in that situation from the image."

[wintry solar]

Fly high random rogue

Do it and see what happens

[fathom bramble]

you can press in 3 seconds

[strong cargo]

I guess you don't do the same in all content, if you send randomly in high enough keys you will just die

[fathom bramble]

or could have pressed 1 second ago

can probably even get away with pressing it now

actually yeah the cleave is still early in the cast and it's not a supercharged KS

[long barn]

Some bosses are just terrible for KS

[strong cargo]

6cp 3s 👀

[fathom bramble]

that's like a whole 1 second to spare

ez

not even close

[random stirrup]

3s cast and 7cp KS is only 2.3-2.4ish

[strong cargo]

Though it would be 4s, and like 6 with SC i never really looked into it

[random stirrup]

plus u get the handy cloak tool to let you limit test every 2 mins

[fathom bramble]

0.4 seconds per combo point divided by your current haste

so (0.4•6)/1.25

[pliant wave]

I have another question. If I'm not in stealth and I'm at 5 combo points, but I have Broadside and Skull and Crossbones buffs, should I press Sinister Strike first and then use a finisher?

[fathom bramble]

assuming your just simply at the haste cap and no higher

3.2 seconds is basically as long as a KS can possible get

[strong cargo]

I play with 13% no gs, maybe mine are longers

[fathom bramble]

supercharged at 7 combo points with no extra haste

is that as ho?

[strong cargo]

Ye

[fathom bramble]

ho with 13% on gear is still above 25% in combat

from alacrity and take em

30% with both active

and they should have nearly 100% uptime

[vivid vessel]

idc if i get hit

calculated risk

i have high chance of passing the ks

but even if i get hit its not an issue

[fathom bramble]

yeah that's true too

[vivid vessel]

cause this does 0 damage

[fathom bramble]

in the heat of the moment you might not be able to tell for sure but, I think cloak and cheat are both up here

does it really not do significant damage in a high key?

[random stirrup]

feint op?

[vivid vessel]

i feint it so no

this is a 20

most damage i will take from this is the aoe bump

that does like 10/15% dot at worse i think

[fathom bramble]

interesting

[vivid vessel]

I think it's about 7%

Actually

But ye

I don't entirely remember

You never die from it

Worse case I cloak

[random stirrup]

im ngl i press ks completely on cd

i will learn what is scary eventually

[vivid vessel]

Also I don't play cheat

i mostly manage to press ks on cd on trash

If you have good positioning

It usually is fine

It's getting scarrier and scarrier with key level tho

[random stirrup]

momentum dh has trained me for this

[cunning wedge]

Momemtum dh....

Hated this

[random stirrup]

krill issue

[vivid vessel]

I also like

Die

And deplete keys

From ks

It's just idk

Cost of doing business rn

you cannot really be doing my damage rn if you are being a pussy with ks

[red zinc]

does ks really get scarier though

[vivid vessel]

yes

the dot does so much damage now

[random stirrup]

i mean a 7% dot on a 12 becomes like a 14% dot

[vivid vessel]

that the stagger

[red zinc]

Maybe my mentality with it is different but I feel like I barely ever get a dot from it

[vivid vessel]

becomes mostly useless

[red zinc]

the only time I ever “die” from KS is when i end up in a puddle right after

[white mantle]

I killed a mage today with ks

[lime lake]

based

[white mantle]

are we proud of me

[red zinc]

Stagger never fucks me

[vivid vessel]

Low keys doer or doing low damage

[random stirrup]

either ur a timing mastermind or ur not pressing it aggro enough

[vivid vessel]

Like for example if I ever take the aoes from the packs after first boss dfc

You know the candle dudes

[red zinc]

yeah i aint ever taking those

[vivid vessel]

That AOE is an insane milk

Kill

[novel socket]

[red zinc]

i mean i dont noodle but i definitely hold occasionally

is what it is

[wintry solar]

@white mantle I beamed a bdk down

[red zinc]

Not like the damage is an issue in these keys

[wintry solar]

Disarmed him so he couldn't deathstrike

[white mantle]

Oh I was talking pve

It was my teamate

[jolly geyser]

I like sending geargrinder on duel in top

[red zinc]

asserts dominance

[white mantle]

Thats great though

[red zinc]

yall ever cloak / evasion / health pot to win duel

[lime lake]

of course

im not letting some random pug beat me

[jolly geyser]

Tim goes full arena mode

[random stirrup]

ret pala bubbled against me before so I kidneyed him after it ended

[white mantle]

When I play shaman, I purge all of their buffs so I win mentally

[lime lake]

kidney that fucker every time

[jolly geyser]

gets gouge also

[red zinc]

did they fix the sudden demise thing yet

That was the funniest shit

[lime lake]

ye unfortunately

[red zinc]

[weary fog]

that one clip of max magnet stacks near one shotting someone makes me wanna run magnet in top

[vivid vessel]

idk i have a grp rn of big damage doer

[random stirrup]

run magnet everywhere

goated trinket

[vivid vessel]

i hope we will be able to play more keys

[jolly geyser]

its good to end duel quick ye

[vivid vessel]

seen our priory 19 timmy?

[fathom bramble]

Before they killed our pirate son he would just beat people down in top

[vivid vessel]

best timer by far

[fathom bramble]

Actual instant murder

[white mantle]

My m+ team has 3 druids

[jolly geyser]

pirate lad just looked and they died

[white mantle]

We also have a naked dragon

[vivid vessel]

@red zinc

imagine if you were holding ks

[red zinc]

If that time mattered so much why havent you timed the 20 yet

[vivid vessel]

we failed

but

[red zinc]

nah but idk

[vivid vessel]

it means the 20 is free for us

timer wise

while some people have issues with timer

[red zinc]

I have yet to deplete a single key off of damage issues right

[vivid vessel]

in these keys

[red zinc]

And thats with everyone doing a mill less than me in most dungeons

[white mantle]

We time a 6 one time

[red zinc]

I’d rather just not die and still do great damage

Than risk deaths and do insane damage

if it becomes an issue ill start minmaxing

[vivid vessel]

doing big damage allow us to do mistakes

most teams you do a full wipe the run is over

for us

last time we did a full wipe in 19 prio

and we were like

still timeable right ?

[red zinc]

yeah but zac

[vivid vessel]

you cant do that with shit damage

[red zinc]

You have 3 great dps

[white mantle]

Timmy become super dps

[vivid vessel]

ye but thats my whole point tho

[red zinc]

like no matter whether i do 6m or 6.5m

[vivid vessel]

damage is important

[red zinc]

it wont change anything

Im just adjusting to my situation

Just like I would if I played with good players

I cant warrant getting cr’d because the healer eats poopoo twice a dungeon

Like in dungeons where ks is not an issue at all (top) I crank so I’m really not worried about me not being able to do it

or at least i feel 4.7m without monk is pretty okay

[wintry solar]

@cinder relic the comments in your article are the most cooked I've seen in years lol

Dualwield 1h pistols

Amazing

[mighty pivot]

yeah don't read the comments if you value your sanity

[desert tendon]

[subtle field]

when do you wanna use house of cards on outlaw? is mastery only good in mass aoe?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

Idt house of cards is that good anyway

[subtle field]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j8J2HXBJLwLgDGNUGVKgAi

i should prolly be using gear grinder instead but

idk

im coping it doesnt hit all targets

[red zinc]

No you shouldnt

fuck that trinket

3 bosses that it doesnt hit is bad enough for me

[vivid vessel]

And like it doesn't work on some bosses etc soo

[haughty moat]

it also ninja pulls when it just run through the mobs

super ass trinket

[proven ocean]

It oversims in m+

[blissful idol]

favourite content!

[craggy barn]

i use grinder but thats only bc its my only other myth trink asode from magnet

and i dont wanna use my dinar yet

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2DLkUELht3UGU6SXeWR4Q6 like in pure aoe its the same so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

It stops scaling at 5 anyway

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5bPHSZH5dsHJaf33fG6Mo2 i guess my trinket is mega troll in st tho

[eternal turtle]

guys.. is anyone playing without underhanded upper hand in keys 15+? 😛

[vivid vessel]

Isn't it 8

Now

[vivid vessel]

No.. ?

Dont do that lol

[eternal turtle]

I don't wanna be a slave to buff uptime

[wintry solar]

Goober maxxing

You can't sim silly

[eternal turtle]

to be fair I mained fury this season

[proven ocean]

Sim anything

Dont use that shit fuck

[vivid vessel]

Im not lol

[unreal drum]

out of curiosity what is the best non crackshot build (before you say it i know im just curious) 🤣

[proven ocean]

No one cares

[wintry solar]

Curiosity is punished here

[unreal drum]

apparently so but id expect nothing less from some

[wintry solar]

Ask later

[proven ocean]

Not really about asking later

Crackshot sims way too high that nobody cares about simming talents without it

[deft terrace]

no idea but probably just put ace and crack points into summilary dispatched

[wintry solar]

It's about 17% less dmg btw

Probably more now

[unreal drum]

i know everything else sucks dw thats why it was purely out of curiosity to what even comes closest

[proven ocean]

Brother it takes a long time to sim 10-20 combos

[craggy barn]

there was that outlaw mallet a while ago that had stuff like that i think

[proven ocean]

U can do it urself if u want but

[wintry solar]

What exactly is closest we'll honestly never know because even the best build would be super behind

[proven ocean]

No one wastes time to sim useless things u know

Idk what to tell u

Ur asking for an answer that nobody knows

U can find it by going to raidbots

Maybe i have to explain this for 20 more msgs

[unreal drum]

😂 you good broo?

[craggy barn]

outlaw mallet has this

[proven ocean]

guys i wonder how icecream tastes like without milk

Is it good?

[wintry solar]

Mmmmm ice

[proven ocean]

Or wait i have a better one

Burger without a patty

Anyone knows if its good

[wintry solar]

Kir/gsw/2 vig

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[wintry solar]

I'll have a pizza with no cheese, crust, or sauce

[unreal drum]

brother you really arnt a people person are you? 😂

[deft terrace]

unironically better without bread

[wintry solar]

I've used lettuce as a bun and it was nice

[unreal drum]

ty, this is more or less what i was asking thanks for not being a helmet to a non serious question 🙂

[wintry solar]

I know what stealthless means but I'm curious as to what the build actually entails

It's like

I guess we only have three stealth talents

So I assume it's kir without uhuh

That would also mean no crackshot

Or double vanish

Ew

[weary fog]

oh no, no shadowheart

[wintry solar]

Oh noooooooo

What a predicamentttttt

Blizz

Make kir stealthless a thing

You owe me for not letting me play feint trickster

I know it's bad but I can't stand other people making conclusions for me without me getting my grubby hands on it

[craggy barn]

yea ross is just a hater yapper who is good at pressing buttons

[wintry solar]

Zomb

[craggy barn]

u can look at all the talents on outlaw mallet

[wintry solar]

Kir stealthless coming to a WoW near you

Ion told me in a dream

[craggy barn]

lol

[wintry solar]

Someone somewhere is running this

[craggy barn]

doubt it

until u just threw it on here

now someone will

u did this

[wintry solar]

I was the first domino...

[craggy barn]

u fucked it all up

[wintry solar]

Zac will be pissed when this becomes a thing now

[craggy barn]

reddit and wowhead comments are gonna love u

[wintry solar]

I'd like it if it had dreadblades

[craggy barn]

GUYs SECRET NO STEALTH OUTLAW BUILD. THEY NEEDA BUFF THIS BC ITS 17% BEHIND

[wintry solar]

I'm all cozy in bed

But dammit zomb

I need to try this on a dummy

[craggy barn]

lol

u are the one who will use this build now

gdi

add that to ur name

stealthleas pistol shot popo

[wintry solar]

This is why the world will remember me

[proven ocean]

There are so many wrong things in this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[wintry solar]

Oh really?

I couldn't tell

[proven ocean]

Crackshot is like

Not even the biggest dps loss there

Wtf is bladerush doing

[craggy barn]

work

[lime lake]

its best

[proven ocean]

[wintry solar]

Energy probably

If I had to guess

[proven ocean]

Sounds like some ryukage build

[vivid vessel]

I don't understand the whole stealth thing

[wintry solar]

But it's really there because somebody made this and was like this is close enough to combat :)))

[vivid vessel]

I don't even stealth in dungeons

I just hit packs

[proven ocean]

That guy posts alot of that shit here and some chinese guy believes him and copies it

[vivid vessel]

I press vanihs and that's it

[proven ocean]

And gaslights the entire community

[vivid vessel]

Why do people even associate vanish with stealth

You litteraly insta braeak it with a massive gun

Then blast guns

Like RATATATATA IM IN STEALTH

[wintry solar]

Idk man

[vivid vessel]

WHAT STEALTH BUDDY

[wintry solar]

People are weird

[vivid vessel]

I CAN HEAR YOU POPO

YOU ARENT IN STEALTH

YOU JUST FIRED YOUR GUNS

[wintry solar]

Your ears are ringing

Like the boots of questionable stealth

You ever heard of that Zac?

[vivid vessel]

No

[proven ocean]

Popo

Ur cooked

Today

Like

[vivid vessel]

Ross

[wintry solar]

Wdym

[proven ocean]

Holy cook cuh

[vivid vessel]

I'm about to stealth your ass ross

[craggy barn]

they dont like the idea of the stealth class pressong vanish for anything other than getting into stealth and running away

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[wintry solar]

I don't want this build to be a thing at all. I just think it's funny.

I like vanish weaving

[vivid vessel]

Cause they are stupid on god

[craggy barn]

yes

[vivid vessel]

If we had stealth mechanics idk

We litteraly just press vanish

And then it's normal rotation with guns

Like common bro

[craggy barn]

its dumb bc we always pressed vanish for damage

LOL

even as combat rogue u did it

[hidden bay]

Because blizzard does

[ebon nimbus]

so as progress is now over for me i would like to dip my toes into outlaw. i already saw faq section, but its kinda huge. can i just look at a few logs and go from there or how would you approach team?

[craggy barn]

faqs

[hidden bay]

Logs are borderline useless for outlaw kinda

[craggy barn]

logs are hard to parae when u know nothing

[proven ocean]

Even the best outlaw players cant read outlaw logs because its impossible to read them

Cant learn from them either

[ebon nimbus]

oh i see

[wintry solar]

Chat you're not gonna believe this

Stealthless kir/gsw plays like shit

Crazy I know

[hidden bay]

No i wont believe

Does the build play ks?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

St trickster

[hidden bay]

Ok then i believe

[wintry solar]

Even with adrenaline rush it's so slow

I've got 20% haste as well

Blizz fix your spec and make this really real

Shoutout to bloodmallet for putting this build out there tho

Outlaw mallet

Idk what bloodmallet is

[ebon nimbus]

as i only have daggers max level, does anything speak against it to keep one in my offhand? for mainhand i only have hc gally

[inland acorn]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[ebon nimbus]

ty

[wintry solar]

stealthless kir is 26% behind. Its within tuning range B)

(jokes)

[craggy barn]

nah dag offhand is fine

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[ebon nimbus]

wait, where is my shadowstep 😄

[wintry solar]

im on WoW. What do you want me to sim

the apl also isnt optimized and im only doing this because im bored

[twin wave]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[zealous plinth]

Is it even worth to Target the GS one? Heard we do more dam to cleave targets with gm up ^^

[unreal drum]

nothing tbf 🤣 it was purely a non serious question to see if anyone had.

[wintry solar]

well im doing non stealth builds and non crackshot builds

because theres a diff

[ebon nimbus]

is there a standalone WA for the crackshotthingy so i dont fuck up my bte?

[wintry solar]

wdym

[unreal drum]

dw about it vanish resets it anyway

[wintry solar]

fuck up as in using a builder after an ace proc?

[ebon nimbus]

oh i played outlaw a very short time in dragonflight

there was a rule when you could press bte

and when you dont

and basically the wa made a sound

when you should stop if i remember correctly

[craggy barn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[craggy barn]

last gcd in crackshot

was that wa ur talking about

[ebon nimbus]

ah yeah

i think this was it

thanks

[wintry solar]

people want stealthless outlaw when HO exists?

[craggy barn]

yes

they abhor the idea of needing yo vanish for damage rotation

they abhord when we had shadowdance

[wintry solar]

like

okay

I feel like

idk

[craggy barn]

they hate the idea that an outlaw uses subterfuge

[wintry solar]

its weird

because

we've mostly played with vanish

and it was fine then

[craggy barn]

they think outlaws are only loid and rambunctious angry men

when thats literally fury warrior

[wintry solar]

but now we have subterfuge and now its not fine

I dont think the stealthless outlaws dont know the difference between vanish and subterfuge

because then I can start to see eye to eye on where theyre coming from

[craggy barn]

not at all

and even then they can only think very basic level

[wintry solar]

"stealth" is so broad

[craggy barn]

like they cant suspend disbelief

literally coulda just thought of shadow dance as many feints and weaving attacks

but nk

no

its SHADOWdance

can only be magic stealth

nothing else

not even subterfuge

cant think of ot as anything but invisibility

[wintry solar]

I'll extend an olive branch

I do prefer vanish gameplay that doesnt involve subterfuge because I'm man enough to admit im biased

HOWEVER

this would make that impossible and im just gonna have to live with it

im not even saying I want it changed. I'm just saying it is what it is

[craggy barn]

idrc what outlaw ends up as as long as its not like giga simple and slow

i enjoyed pretty much every vers of ol

hated small parts here and there ofc

[wintry solar]

I was more open to this outlaw before finding out how invasive the energy nerf and stuff was

I like it now but idk

could be better is all

imo

ups and downs and what not

[unreal drum]

personally id like adren rush to be taken off the cdr loop and turned into an actual dps cd. obviously a few things would need rebalancing so it doesnt feel ass outside of the CD

[covert kestrel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[wintry solar]

technically its always been a loop

but I get what you mean

[craggy barn]

it used to be a CD, but that was also when melee was our biggest damage

lol

[unreal drum]

yee dont want that either xD

[wintry solar]

ho with one vanish and no subt

[unreal drum]

finisher damage buff maybe during AR

[wintry solar]

we could write a book on this topic

[subtle field]

do you put the curseblade in OH or MH?

[wintry solar]

and it always ends with great ideas and then the depressing realization that none of it will happen

[unreal drum]

2026 they'll make a halloween movie about it

[weary fog]

oh

then swap weap for bosses

[subtle field]

yeah exactly

is there a macro to swap?

[weary fog]

ye its in pins

[wintry solar]

crap

I hate when shitty builds play good

[wintry solar]

you remember how Zeross said something about the apl not being updated for non-crackshot builds?

that may have been me

idr

[hybrid crown]

I would hate that I love outlaw just the way it is

[wintry solar]

its so out of date, non-stealth builds sim 5% more than non CS builds with stealth

[hybrid crown]

Only thing is fix KS maybe and acro

[wintry solar]

theres no way

[wintry solar]

real

I'd take acro over KS fix tbh

KS is only bad more than half the time

Acro is good all the time

[mighty pivot]

make old acro a choice node talent with uhuh or crackshot

[wintry solar]

lolol

[wintry solar]

wanna see something funny

[mighty pivot]

only if it is a cat

[wintry solar]

dang

nvm

[hybrid crown]

I would take uhuh over acro 99% of the time

[wintry solar]

youre just saying that to get under my skin

[hybrid crown]

Uhuh is too op

[wintry solar]

and for that

stealthless HO

[craggy barn]

stop spreading it

reddit will pick it up

[wintry solar]

You're right

But in my defense, it was in self defense.

[craggy barn]

self defense only works if u dont intend to do further harm

aside from necessary

and so far u are repeating

MOds arrest this man!

[wintry solar]

/cast Vanish

[hybrid crown]

You should make a no capstone build

[wintry solar]

Been there, done that

[glass mortar]

why do u want it to not spread to reddit

more people playing this build just means more outlaws doing barely any dps to make u look good

[wintry solar]

You can only make so many no capstone builds before its no longer fun

[glass mortar]

💅

[wintry solar]

Weran makes a point

However I don't have reddit

So someone post it for me plz

[craggy barn]

they will push for this build to be meta

[wintry solar]

Surely blizz doesn't read reddit

Right?

[inner stump]

they do

[glass mortar]

im sure they do i doubt they take much feedback from it tho

less users then class discords even

[craggy barn]

u parse it and consolidate it with other community discussion

[wintry solar]

Btw that build plays like master but without the crit

[craggy barn]

to get pulses

[wintry solar]

And energy

And fun of outlaw

I playtest every meme build I post

So its quality

[verbal fjord]

Yo boys i have a quick question

[glass mortar]

i mean the issue is no crackshot builds dont do anything

like, its not like u have some other toy to play with

[verbal fjord]

Do i always wait for killing spree and then into sub window ?

[glass mortar]

ur just doing the crackshot filler rotation

forever

[gaunt phoenix]

If KS cooldown is under 20s or so then you try to hold vanish

But you may still need to vanish to keep AR active

[verbal fjord]

Yeah i was just confused sometimes when do i really use ks tho

I mean if i have it just off cd i can double vanish window and do it after no?

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks is the highest priority finisher but not inside stealth

[verbal fjord]

Or do i vanish into ks into vanish again

[wintry solar]

No the issue was no energy. The baseline rotation I enjoy.

[gaunt phoenix]

It has higher priority than using vanish

[wintry solar]

But it's a shitty build I already deleted so w/e

[gaunt phoenix]

Opening sub window > build to ks > build to first vanish

[verbal fjord]

Okay perfect and build to vanish means like get 6/7 cp into vanish for bte spamming r?

[craggy barn]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vague torrent]

np

[verbal fjord]

Perfekt thanks boys

[wintry solar]

Happy blasting

[verbal fjord]

Getting no invites but thanks ^^

[vague torrent]

assa is better

swap then u get invd all keys trust me

[verbal fjord]

Nah i hate assa st tho

Its super lame

Maybe i played it just bad i never had any energy

But i love to have a assa in group since they destroying prio targets in seconds

[fossil lintel]

What? You don't enjoy waiting 2 seconds to mutilate once?

[honest sparrow]

Its obv better waiting 2 seconds to killing yourself with killingspree

[verbal fjord]

I would rather wait for ks than click muti 2 times and get out if energy ngl😭😭🙅🏽‍♂️

[simple dagger]

Wdym you can also reapply Rupture, how fun is that shit?

Crazy times

[winged depot]

Do you still use/look at the buffs & debuffs (next to the map)?

When u have WA's

[gaunt phoenix]

debuffs i moved to the middle

Buffs not really

Relevant class buffs are tracked by WA

[winged depot]

Oh okay. Do u put em next to the WA's?

[gaunt phoenix]

there are also food/flask/etc. WAs

[winged depot]

(the debuffs)

[gaunt phoenix]

ya where i can see them

[winged depot]

kay thanks. It doesn't feel very intutive looking all the way to the top of the screen to track stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

u can move anything anywhere, that is wow customization

[covert kestrel]

That's why we use plates and weak auras!

[gaunt phoenix]

for now

[crystal finch]

Hey folks, got a question about weapon swapping, I currently have hc capo and the nightfall wep. Just got a crit/vers hc wep as well. Would you recommend me to start weapon swapping, or should I stay hc capo+nightfall until I get a myth wep to replace capo? I'm asking cause I don't know how to sim wep swap lul

[gaunt phoenix]

dont swap until crafted mainhand

[winged depot]

Should I track other people's buffs (like above their names with Plater) when playing dps?

[crystal finch]

alrighty, thanks!

[covert kestrel]

I mean depends, I pretty much just install a profile and use it/tweak it for my needs. Quazii and Jundies are popular ones

[gaunt phoenix]

other players? no not really

[crystal finch]

most dps players just chuck the party frames to a random corner and call it a day. never seen anyone customize friendly plater frames tho

[craggy barn]

u usually use unit frames for tracking other peoples stuff with, not plater nameplates bc THAt would be insane

enemy nameplates are already hectic

[mellow thicket]

solo, do you know if other specs, have been receiivng class tunes due to the wowhead retrospective articles, like the prior outlaw rogue bug article?

[craggy barn]

the most i do with friendly nameplates is just to see where everyone else is

[remote pike]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[formal crest]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/outlaw-rogue-mid-expansion-retrospective-hero-talents-current-issues-and-season-377020 This is so well written article, why cant devs understand the spec this way.

[mighty pivot]

they do understand it, but devs gather up each friday and watch compilations of deaths to KS and they don't want to lose that

don't worry though, comments in that very wowhead article explain that it's a skill issue if you ever die to KS and that it's a very cool ability

[hidden bay]

overrated comment

[formal crest]

Haha

[hidden bay]

there arent that many outlaws playing for that

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[remote pike]

i saw the comments, absolutely delulu people, i'm betting my future kid's college funds that they haven't played outlaw beyond like 2k rating if they even touched the spec at all this expansion

[heavy shadow]

Am I missing something. In a raid now and outlaw with HO Trickster is pulling 2.5m dps in what seems around 650 gear. He's beating me in 678 KiR Fatebound. I thought I was the right spec

for ST that is Mugzee

[remote pike]

warcraftlogs and copy what most people are doing instead

[glass mortar]

fatebound is trash on mugzee

the bombs are targetable

2 of ur fatebound talents turn off their ST value in aoe

but they cant actually do aoe since the bombs dont take damage, they just immune it

its like a 5-7% loss or something idr i simmed it awhile back

that being said, 2.5m ST is pretty insane for 650 ilvl, sounds like they were highrolling

[remote pike]

yeah that is solid numbers

[heavy shadow]

which ones?

[glass mortar]

fate interwined and delivered doom

[heavy shadow]

Okay makes sense, will try HO Trickster then I guess

[long barn]

Servers up?

[safe pasture]

No

[subtle field]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[hybrid crown]

Oh I've been pre keying very wrong

Lol

[subtle field]

I really liked the DF szn 4 prekey. Was it like a free 4 buffs from the get go? or 2?

[craggy barn]

was like 4 since u would get doible LD usage

the prekey command is a bit meh, u can do the bf into slice then stealth right before bubble is down, then AR after stealth to hold them while u run to pack

u can also RTB at any point before entering the dungeon, it preserves ur SC through load. just need to not press a damage finisher

[glass mortar]

u can also ks before the key to setup 2 unseen blades ready to go in the opener

basically guarentees u get a coup before ur first vanish

[vivid vessel]

I didn't wanna add the ks thing to the command

Cause

It's a but buggy

And it's probably more annoying to explain than not

[covert kestrel]

Critters will fear me

[late swallow]

just learn when to press KS bozo!

(written by someone who presses it every 45-60 seconds)

banger wowhead comments

fuck restless blades!

[vivid vessel]

Stupid mf

[late swallow]

bossman snuck a cheeky flaccid into the writeup

quite possibly the only write-up with that word

BASED

[vivid vessel]

Frfr

[sharp hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/broxa-gif-7739327787635274512

[cinder relic]

I'm glad wowhead comments exist because every time I say that "there are a lot of people who like KS" I get told I'm clueless

There is

They shouldnt like it but they do

[sharp hinge]

they probably only do world quests

[late swallow]

typo in the first paragraph

[upper hawk]

finding that word so interesting might be telling us more about you than you intended

[vivid vessel]

I mean lil bro said he likes ks cause he can gank people from his mount in open world pvp