outlaw

[uncut oak]

like i cant even get beyond this point as pug only player

its impossible to get inv

[violet ferry]

"Sir, one of the Mage specs has fallen from the top 10 spec leaderboards!"
"ALL HANDS ON DECK. No one leaves until this issue is FIXED."
"Sir, it also seems that rogues are not only performing worse than any other pure dps, one of the hero specs actively kills the player in many circumstances."
"What's a rouge?"

[sharp hinge]

anyone here have the class hall mount?

[honest osprey]

echoing void still bugged?

[violet ferry]

Yar

[sharp hinge]

nice, im working on mine rn. how is it?

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hot olive]

just lfr🫡

[violet ferry]

Probably one of the more boring class mounts. I guess the mount up animation is ok

[sharp hinge]

do you get any cool sword tmogs from it?

[violet ferry]

Not that I can remember... I just used the Mage Tower artifact appearances through Legion 😛

[loud wing]

I just had an epiphany: with how insanely useless shroud has been this xpac with almost every notable skip requiring meld cuz of true sight, what if they made shroud basically be an aoe meld that lets u drop combat

[vivid vessel]

lfr is like 1 h queue

not doing lfr

[violet ferry]

That would require Blizzard to have a rogue class developer

And poor Blizz can't afford that right now

[sharp hinge]

make zac our dev

[thorn river]

@vivid vessel how did u start with so many superchargers in that 19 prio key with the fake rogue ?

[hot olive]

uff

[vivid vessel]

you rtb pre key

then you rtb going into pack thats already 4

[loud wing]

But how cool would that be considering how shit rogue has become at utility

[thorn river]

yeh the 4 i get it aswell, but i get 6 😮

[covert kestrel]

Reading the wowhead comments on the outlaw article was a mistake

[thorn river]

u*

[hot olive]

he uses slice&dice to get roll back i think since u have to run a bit in psf

[vivid vessel]

it fails quite quickly

so idk

sometimes you get lucky and get a few resets

its not really important

just silly stuffs

[hot olive]

nerd

[sharp hinge]

i find myself never using slice and dice

i think one of our other skills give it

[gaunt phoenix]

it is casted by dispatch

[thorn river]

ah okey, thanx man !

[sharp hinge]

solo, do we run the fatebound or trickster raid talents?

[gaunt phoenix]

most of the raid has some aoe so trickster wins

but sprocket can be fatebound or some mythic bosses where you cant killing spree

[sharp hinge]

i feel like theres a ton of stuff that requires fight knowledge to even use killing spree

[cinder relic]

Fingers crossed

[remote heath]

I have a question about stealth. Does mobs with truesight have a bigger aggro range when you're stealthed?

[left onyx]

it's the same range as if you weren't stealthed on a normal mob

[long barn]

Good writing bro

[rotund zodiac]

is it normal to sometimes has many UB stacks as KiR? or I misplay?

[vivid vessel]

weak aura bug

update it

[rotund zodiac]

hmm

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[novel socket]

how long does it take to do the corruption thingy

for the head enchant ?

[fathom holly]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[cinder relic]

Ty gamer

[craggy barn]

maybe like 30minutes? from scratch

[novel socket]

gotcha

ty

after raid it is

[desert tendon]

guy wowhead outlaw post more like killing spree shitalking post

joke besides, ty for writing stuff still guy

[craggy barn]

guy didnt talk about rtb needing to be removed or changed at all

tf

terrible post

[tight egret]

I love RtB. So tired of hearing about old combat.

Maybe it was better when I took a break, but back in vanilla and BC it was so boring.

[grim spear]

is there a dummy-proof weakaura that can just tell me "RTB now" and "KIR now"?

[inner stump]

MoP combat was really fun back in SoO

but maybe I have nostalgia

[cinder relic]

I don't like that people think rtb is what ion is talking about with "how do u play the spec without weakauras"

[gaunt phoenix]

[frail veldt]

I mean thats definitely part of it

[cinder relic]

Rtb is like, very simple to understand. The complication begins with kir and container

It for sure isn't

[frail veldt]

it for sure is

how are you gona count how many buffs you have

in the list of 40 buffs

at the top right of your screen

[vivid vessel]

if you have

a half decent

cooldown manager

its fine

lol

[frail veldt]

yeah you could play outlaw rn with just cooldown manager tbh

honestly

[vivid vessel]

i mean rn you cant

[violet ferry]

Yeah, you were obviously talking about WA's like this
https://wago.io/bhdKXShX7

[frail veldt]

you def can wym

[vivid vessel]

cause cooldown manger sucks big cock

[frail veldt]

youd just lose a bit of dps

[vivid vessel]

i mean you cant even see fth procs

and shit

[frail veldt]

what would be the problem

[vivid vessel]

its cringe af

[frail veldt]

you can see fth procs with the old one wym

the personal resource display has it

its also in the built in hud proc thing

[vivid vessel]

you are not playing both ??

you cant see the amount

[frail veldt]

the amount doesnt matter that much

[vivid vessel]

well it very much does but ok

[frail veldt]

you could 100% play HO to like 90+% capacity without any was

no question

[vivid vessel]

ye sure

im just saying

outlaw isnt really a weak aura spec

unless you suck at the game

hardcore

[frail veldt]

what spec would be

demo I guess?

they have some weird shit to track

for tyrant

but maybe that also is just a min max

sub def doesnt need was, sin either

[vivid vessel]

if the cooldown manager allowed me to have rtb buffs compartimented from other buffs, and had a real proc tracker instead of the shit they use for fth rn

and their bars thing

is huge and clunky and ugly and useless

other than that i could play outlaw with the cooldown manager

well i need a sound on fth proc tho

im too used to that by now

but tbh fth sould have an ingame sound when it procs kekw

[frail veldt]

but honestly if you ignore rtb stuff, HO is literally just a "hit light up button" spec

[vivid vessel]

like ace does

[crimson thicket]

yall didnt tell me they just dont take rogues to 17s

[frail veldt]

its only trickster that adds some complexity with UB

[crimson thicket]

i got kicked out of a theater for an arms warrior and they already had prot tank

[meager knoll]

current arcane comes to mind

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

thats fluff mostly honestly

[gaunt phoenix]

Need that bell curve meme with HO being "press glowing button" on both ends

[hollow temple]

U

[frail veldt]

LOL yeah p much

[cinder relic]

Kir is the biggest offender when it comes to needing a weakaura

Obviously I dislike kir more than ho but it is a reality

[winged depot]

What do you guys use for basic UI stuff? I know its personal but i'm pretty new. Kinda like some of the looks on youtube where it seems the Action bars are just WA's.
I was thinking of maybe adding the keybind to the spells of the rogue WA that tracks stuff but never seen anyone do that, is it a bad idea? I like minimal bloat.

[frail veldt]

yeah but for the rtb/kir rules right?

[vivid vessel]

Cause you need to see container

[cinder relic]

The whole container theory stuff

[frail veldt]

yeah 100%

[vivid vessel]

I mean realistically you can also just know it's there

And just roll after kir once

[frail veldt]

to me thats by far the biggest outlier of "NEED" wa

[vivid vessel]

That's just harder

But that's also cause it's straight up bugged kekw

Why does it work like that

[frail veldt]

now im kinda curious how well I could do in a key with no was

[desert tendon]

contenair shit is not intended i think

so

[gaunt phoenix]

Container stuff is for sure an accident

[frail veldt]

I only really need to see like 4 cds

[desert tendon]

they ll just find a way to fix it

[frail veldt]

vanish, adr, KS, and bladeflurry

[desert tendon]

the day it will be a too beneficial bug they ll for sure fix it

[vivid vessel]

I mean kir buffs should probably just stay forever realistically

[frail veldt]

lolol

[vivid vessel]

Can't be rolled over etc

[frail veldt]

oh

that might make rtb value too high

after a kir

[vivid vessel]

No I mean they go down mewo

[frail veldt]

yeah I know

but if you KiR 6 buffs

then you can just rtb on cd

and not replace them

[vivid vessel]

You would continue rolling yes

But like

[frail veldt]

would be a little spicy

[vivid vessel]

Isn't it silly how it works rn

[frail veldt]

it def is silly

[vivid vessel]

There is no other way no?

[frail veldt]

I personally dislike the container theory

its too tedious to play around

[vivid vessel]

If the buffs would just insta go away after a rtb it would suck

[vivid vessel]

I mean is it

[frail veldt]

I mean the alternative is that every RtB clears all buffs

[vivid vessel]

You use my weak aura and it's legit just watching colors

[frail veldt]

so that after you kir

[vivid vessel]

So easy

[frail veldt]

you just dont press rtb

until all the buffs run out

which I think is fine

[vivid vessel]

Ye that's kinda shit tho

[frail veldt]

eh

a little

[vivid vessel]

One of the cool thing of kir is completing it

With another roll idk

[frail veldt]

sure

but that kinda depends on container theory weirdness

if you want something simple it has to be either they cant be removed or they always all get removed

[cinder relic]

I Think kir should be simplified and made more easy to digest and less quirky container stuff going on

[frail veldt]

agreed

the thing I like about kir is more the feeling of having lots of buffs and the increased complexity of builder/spender rules

[empty plaza]

Do we do any pre rolls before key start now adays+

[frail veldt]

nope

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

You roll once for supercharger

[frail veldt]

oh

[hollow portal]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[frail veldt]

yeah no rolls for buff purposes

[gaunt phoenix]

The first 2 stacks of supercharger dont reset and dont expire so you can just roll somewhere in the overworld before the key

[cinder relic]

Kir could be cooler as just like

"rtb has x seconds more cd, but buffs don't reroll"

[vivid vessel]

Same

But I like the fishing part of kir

It's fun

Locking in the buffs

[cinder relic]

Less clunkyness, less buttons, less container stuff

Gs should also be removed/turned into a talent around ar

[next shuttle]

Hi, why would non CTO buffs not be rerolled sometimes with HO build?

As in I press RTB and get to keep old buffs

[civic void]

Afaik nobody really know

[violet ferry]

Just got kicked from a 10 because "you're using a 658 weapon" lol

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

screenshot or it didnt happen

[gaunt phoenix]

If CTO has a greater duration than your normal RTB buffs then they dont get rolled

But if they have a lower duration and they still dont get rolled then its a mysterious bug

[next shuttle]

I am talking about non CTO buffs

[runic bough]

oh something i noticed

[gaunt phoenix]

oops

Yeah it's a bug

[runic bough]

when u rtb after kir it lowers all your buffs

duration

lowers

[gaunt phoenix]

It doesnt

[runic bough]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

What you are experiencing

[runic bough]

my buffs are 50 seconds after kir, but after i roll again they go down

[gaunt phoenix]

Is that you are rolling the same buffs you already have

And they are being overwritten

[runic bough]

im playing HO now tho

with more haste

its feels nice

[alpine valve]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

HO without GS? feels really nice

Idk why people are busting their ass playing kir

[runic bough]

honestly ive played them all now

[gaunt phoenix]

Play HO to have infinite energy to feint and reserve infinite brainpower to staying alive

[runic bough]

Ho with lower haste feels like crap.
Ho with kir haste feels best overall for me.
KiR with 1fh feels good in aoe but not in single target.

imo

im really glad i just tried Ho with kir haste

i didnt have gear for lower haste so i just tried it with kir gear

oh guys

HO trick that I like to do

is vanish on low cp

and ambush to fill

instead of ss

feels nice

cant do that on kir

[craggy barn]

should just be building to bte as first global vanish

unless u mean vanish at like 3 cp for ambush to max u out, but even then idk if thats really worth it outside of saving AR

[gaunt phoenix]

its fine

[craggy barn]

👍

[gaunt phoenix]

Not a gain tho

[craggy barn]

to me sounds just like a mistake safety net

whereas its just a mistake as kir

[runic bough]

how is it not a gain when ss is lower cp than ambush

ambush will usually 1 hit to full cp

[craggy barn]

bc ur wasting a global on not bte

in vanish

[runic bough]

if we need to use builder more than once during window its wasted anyways

I feel like ambush is more reliable

[craggy barn]

if u proc

it sometimes doesnt

[gaunt phoenix]

You lose crackshots

by the first global of vanish not being bte

[runic bough]

hmm

[craggy barn]

ur missing a potential ace reset

by not doing bte first

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

well sure

but its just like

you get 8 globals of stealth, you are forcing the first one to be ambush instead of bte

[craggy barn]

gotta explain to ryu in gamble addict terms

[gaunt phoenix]

so you literally lose bte

[runic bough]

i see

i guess im used to bad rng then

[craggy barn]

yes

u just arent gambling well

[runic bough]

ambush make me feel like i have more control

but yeah make sense lose a bte if I build

[craggy barn]

it just makes ur mistake less of a mistake

bc u cant do it as kir

HO is more forgiving for a reason

[runic bough]

well ill try to build to full more, but if it takes more than 2 ss im just going to vanish ambush lol

i get impatient

with ss

and cursed rng

[gaunt phoenix]

i sometimes do it

when i am rushing to vanish while there are still 8 targets

when if I were to ss, it might not be 8 targets anymore when i vanish

[runic bough]

like with KiR i got tired of pressing ss 5 times in a row for 1 cp each

this is nice ambush im really enjoying it

[keen belfry]

kir can have some low lows!

[runic bough]

also

HO with 20% haste

ks finishes faster

i die less from it

[stuck timber]

guys should I play outlaw in legion remix too 😄

[cinder relic]

Meh

[crisp condor]

Does WCL remove damage from Yes Men that heal back up in Cinderbrew? Or is the pad real

[hidden bay]

going off of mop

id say play boomkin

in case some stupid farm pops up again

and in general boomkin just kinda op for everything

[civic void]

Downside is that you are now playing boomkin

[hidden bay]

true but its meme content so its ok

at least its not ret

[gaunt phoenix]

Dont think so

Wound poison can chew through the healing if you cleave them below 52%

[craggy barn]

huge tech

[stuck timber]

I would never

[copper radish]

finally got a trashmasters to drop. got over 30% verse in pve set finally

[stuck timber]

gz

[sharp hinge]

what kind of food do you guys eat?

the recommended ones are expensive af

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-tf2-heavy-hevy-sandvich-gif-23754643

[hidden bay]

ok why would i be not allowed to weapon swap in key?

[compact sun]

What do you guys think Roll build or Hidden ?

[hidden bay]

besides being in combat is there any reason?

[craggy barn]

? u should be able to at any stage, out of combat or not. are u like trying to make an argument or something

in combat it costs a gcd

[hidden bay]

hm weird

i pressed my macro and it says cant do that at this time

[craggy barn]

both are good. Hidden or HO is more forgiving than Roll (KIR)

[hidden bay]

i was afking before 3rd boss flood

[craggy barn]

are the items correct in the macro

[hidden bay]

its working outside, but not in combat

trying on dummies now

[craggy barn]

shrug what if they hotfixed it for cudgel LOL

[hidden bay]

hmmm maybe its this thats the problem

[zealous plinth]

Which weapons you trying?

[zealous plinth]

Yeah you can’t swap to gally weapon in key

[hidden bay]

didnt notice it couldnt be swapped

[red zinc]

you should just use that as MH

mayb

[hidden bay]

its not good for aoe

but i dont really have anything else

[red zinc]

ye

[hidden bay]

also i forgot to upgrade it 💀

[red zinc]

No myth capo?

[zealous plinth]

No capo?

[hidden bay]

not until 2nd dinar

[red zinc]

Whatd you spend dinar on

[hidden bay]

or vault

ring

because i refuse to ks in raid

[red zinc]

Wat

[hidden bay]

im sin in raid

[red zinc]

but you killed gally already when you bought ring

Why not just take an outlaw item just for keys then if its not prog anymore

sorry u do u

i hate raiding could never be me but i see the vision

[hidden bay]

nah it makes sense what your saying

but i dont push keys really

like mid lvl shit 15-16

and i care about parses somewhat

and im boycoting outlaw in raid until ks fix

[vivid vine]

it's funny how everyone seems to rly enjoy out but hate the spell that the whole specc (hero talent) revolves around

i do hope the rogue designer does a quick fix atleast per the wox suggestion or something else

[proven ocean]

WTF +20 NOW GIVES 700 ILVL PIECE

FROM VAULT

NEW HIGHEST ILVL?????????

[river escarp]

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vine]

i wonder if the will ever introduce myth track gear dropping from a certain level keystone

[neat tapir]

Thats beautiful

[vivid vine]

like 15+ or something

[hot olive]

https://tenor.com/view/tonyphan-image-perms-flex-gif-26072889

[hardy thicket]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[cinder relic]

No because then that becomes the new bench park for people to clear

[mighty breach]

They Fixed Cudgel ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeh the people would lose their minds

[cinder relic]

Endlessly repeatable content that awards mythic gear would be absurd

[hot olive]

fix

its not broken

[vivid vine]

isn't that what mmo's are anyway? just grinding it out for gear

[river escarp]

Raiders would get madge, that's why

[cinder relic]

Yes but wows reward structure is based on weekly lockouts gating gear progression

[vivid vine]

yeah and i hate it

[cinder relic]

It'd be like making raid repeatable

Just make it so u can farm the raid for gear

[mighty pivot]

endlessly farmable mythic gear is no-no

[vivid vine]

just sucks to be trickle fed mythic loot with weekly rng as a non raider

[cinder relic]

Non raider loot is so good this tier idk. U can catchup so quickly with a few vaults and crafted gear

[gaunt phoenix]

and yet i'd argue M raid is not even close to rewarding the time spent on it

[cinder relic]

There were m+ only players more geared than me during prog

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean m+ is the most rewarding content in the game for sure

[vivid vine]

it's all just full rng for m+ 'ers though

for myth track loot atleast

friend of mine had triple cloaks last week

[cinder relic]

Raid loot is also rng tho

[mighty pivot]

it would be rng even if they gave 1-2 mythic pieces per week from very high chests

[cinder relic]

We didn't see a single house of cards drop for 6 weeks of oab kills

We have still never seen a best in slots

[vivid vine]

yeah there is rng everywhere

but the lootpool is just way bigger in the vault

i'll just stick to my aotc nonsense and complaining though

[river escarp]

Honestly I just want loot from M+ to get an item level boost in M+ so I don't have to touch raid ever, like how PvP gear goes up

I cleared normal once for the story and that's it.

[cinder relic]

I don't think the gears progression system should be so separated

[proven ocean]

Id argue against that

U got armed bandit wep jastor diamind eye of kezan

And alot of broken mythic pieces

[river escarp]

^

And then raiders get madge 1 trinket is good from a dungeon or delve.

[vivid vine]

just having more opertunities on myth track gear to catalyst is also nice

[cinder relic]

What do u think would give a character more of a dps increase from scratch. Doing 4 hours of keys? Or 4 hours of raiding

Assume that a 4 hour run is a full clear

[gaunt phoenix]

ya those items exist

[proven ocean]

Idk how ur arguing like that

Cuz both things offer different things

[mighty pivot]

what they could do is maybe allow you to sacrifice empty slots to be filled in by other content. Like get a 4th candidate item with m+ gear and sacrifice raid gear. But that sounds too much effort from them for very little gain

[proven ocean]

M+ gives better early ilvl, raid gives strong pieces

[vivid vine]

also 4 hour of keys is 1 dungeon run if i'm lucky enough to get invited

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

tbf outlaw doesnt have a lot of juicy raid goodies

think it is easy to go through weeks of prog and get nothing

[winged depot]

What r some good Outlaw streamers y'all can recommend? ;D

[gaunt phoenix]

and you're just like

[vivid vine]

zac and wox?

[craggy barn]

no juicy items but ilvl on certain slots is nice. faster than waiting for vault for off pieces

[proven ocean]

Im confused here

[winged depot]

Ohh zac streams? thats cool i'll check him out thanks

[proven ocean]

Are u talking about outlaw only

Or in general

Because last tier a hc spymaster alone was way behind a mythic one lol

[cinder relic]

Bro Zac was more geared than me for like weeks

Despite us being deeper in the raid than him lol

[proven ocean]

Doesnt matter tho

[vivid vessel]

i mean early raid is just luck tbf

also when

[proven ocean]

Im replying to that yes

[vivid vessel]

i think this tier we progressed same speed or

[proven ocean]

Its all luck

[vivid vessel]

it says "outlaw"

[proven ocean]

I was ahead of zac by 4 ilvls

With 4 less bosses

Killed

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

you

it wasnt legal

if i speak

[craggy barn]

giga unlegal

[proven ocean]

He did same m+ as me too

[cinder relic]

We were ahead of u guys by like a week

[vivid vessel]

well tbf

thats not a lot of gear

[mighty breach]

@vivid vessel tell me why you play house of cards as outlaw i did a sim and its still lower dps than other trinkets 😄

[craggy barn]

for a casual mythic guild, we only caught up to yall in ilvl by turboboost

after farming first 3 bosses for like 3 weeks

we having roster issues again

[vivid vine]

what's the big roadblock for the lower end mythic guilds? sprocket or slotmachine guy

[vivid vessel]

idk

[craggy barn]

doesnt help that im in france becoming the greatest outlawer inhistory

[vivid vessel]

good aoe trinket

[craggy barn]

rn our roadblock is sprocket, but mostly a roster thing

we took 2 ish weeks for junkman

wait here

sprocket not dead yet bc we roster fucked rn

[vivid vessel]

someone got the weak aura for the shields in workshop

where the timer is on the shield

attached to it

[craggy barn]

maybe causese has it? idk

the wa pack he has

ik ot has the leap timer on adds for fatman in top

[sharp hinge]

is there a macro for tricks?

[craggy barn]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[craggy barn]

otherwise u just do @player name macro

[sharp hinge]

this one works better?

[craggy barn]

yea no need to make changes evey pug key

[sharp hinge]

WA sounds better since i have no clue when md is on tank

[craggy barn]

if trickster, tricks doesnt go on cd

so if u arent paying attention u could miss the cast

could prob make a wa that tells u if tank has it or not

[vivid vine]

if you tend to forget you can just make a wa that tracks tricks and set to only load in dungeons/raids

as a reminder

[digital robin]

hey guys im new to rogue

[brazen lava]

what are the ultimate stats for outlaw?

[craggy barn]

hello

[digital robin]

was wondering why my dps is so low at 72

im pulling like 12-15k

[brazen lava]

I have t his rn:

[craggy barn]

u have slightly too much haste, get more vers

[brazen lava]

how much haste is best?

arround 20?

[craggy barn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[craggy barn]

20 is good

[brazen lava]

k ty

[craggy barn]

gear more than likely. do u have level appropriate gear

[elfin mural]

what about those one ? i just miss some craft but all my gear are mainly haste / vers

[craggy barn]

ye thats good

[digital robin]

im 370 il atm

[craggy barn]

lot of mastery

[digital robin]

i been doing a lot of questing

[craggy barn]

are u at least able to kill things

[digital robin]

yes but slowly

like my 70 warrior pulls 50k without any cds but my rogue is like 12k average

[hollow temple]

Low level scaling is all over the place

[brazen lava]

how much crit do we want?

[craggy barn]

no specific number. sim situation if u have spare gear

[hollow temple]

Likely could be doing something incorrectly but like

Level to 80

[digital robin]

should i buy ah gear ?

[elfin mural]

yes cuz we have 30%vers / 19% hast

[covert kestrel]

Outlaw as a spec is pretty reliant on being lvl 80, don't worry about any numbers until you're 80

[craggy barn]

our secondaries are pretty bad in general, so we kinda just dump stats into vers when we can

[digital robin]

should i use maces or swords?

[craggy barn]

either is fine

it doesnt affect anything

[digital robin]

i have 2 daggers atm because i was sub

[craggy barn]

if u were using 2 dags as outlaw than that would explain damage

since u cant use sinister strike at all with dagger in main hand

but u can use axe/sword/mace/fist in main hand. it doesnt matter what type other that that

[hollow temple]

[craggy barn]

[digital robin]

ok ima see if i can get a mace

but all green maces are like 5k atm lol

[brazen lava]

I play this, do we use ambush in stealth? and do we want full combo points for pistol trigger or can we pull at 5 points?

[craggy barn]

no ambush in stealth

no ambush at all

[brazen lava]

only sinister?

[craggy barn]

yes

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[hybrid crown]

You have that ambush choice node on the left there might wanna fix that

Since u are kir

[covert kestrel]

Stick to assa or sub til you get one or hit 80, don't bother spending 5k on a green which will be out leveled in two seconds

[digital robin]

ok ill do that

[craggy barn]

pistol trigger?

[brazen lava]

yea BtE

[craggy barn]

i recommend reading #outlaw-faq

[brazen lava]

it rresets

[craggy barn]

but u send at 6 outside of stealth

in stealth u send at 5

[brazen lava]

ok ty.

[sharp hinge]

what kind of food should i get?

[sharp hinge]

ty, these are expensive af

[cinder relic]

That's a feast

U can use personal food for dungeons n shit unless Ur pushing

[runic bough]

food tip

make beledars hearty

[obtuse hollow]

Do DRs reduce both damage being stored into KS and the ticks itself, so i can technically reduce the damage twice?

[runic flame]

what is the diff between ho and kir in m+ now ?

[cinder relic]

Kir harder, more reliant on uptime, more aoe
HO more st, easier

[glass mortar]

Can't reduce the damage of the ticks

[runic flame]

easier is a shit ;) thx
like all the time - kir more skill more dmg

[glass mortar]

So u can't double dip

Gotta reduce the damage u take during the kspree

[hollow temple]

who said sub does 30m+ aoe on 1st pull mechagon

xD

trash spec

15mil max

[red zinc]

the person that said it did it

so seems pretty credible to me

[random stirrup]

i did 25m on a priory 2nd boss pull yesterday

30m on workshop 1st certains seems possible

[deep cedar]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[vivid vessel]

zeross

15 mil max is cooked tho

i do that as outlaw

you need to press 2 sec tech mayeb

[shrewd thunder]

when do we replace cyrces circlet?

[vivid vessel]

you might be forgetting the second one

[vivid vessel]

658 good ring

(not many good ring)

[shrewd thunder]

ok

ty

[gaunt phoenix]

vers ring

[frail anvil]

hey just jumping back on rogue after years any got the new Roll the bones WA that has KIR on it

[real yew]

How can we escape prision on Mug with hook?

can we kill add and use it to leave?

[craggy barn]

wtf we do aug damage on m sprocket?????

fuck this game man

[cinder relic]

Huh

[frail anvil]

hey for M+ just curious are we just hitting killing spree outside of crackshot windows ?

and basically off cd ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[frail anvil]

thx

[gaunt phoenix]

ks is the highest priority finisher

outside of stealth

but it is higher priority than using vanish

[cedar kernel]

have a nice day brothers

[sharp hinge]

for the tricks WA to work do i need to macro it still?

[shrewd thunder]

do i need to be out of combat to swap weapons btw

or can i do it in combnat

[craggy barn]

the damage meter weekly report came out and put outlaw right above aug on sprock lol

i dont take it seriously

u can swap at any time

in combat it costs a gcd

[craggy barn]

u need the macro to work with it

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[craggy barn]

this is definitely something blizz will fix down the line with their addon pruning

😉

[sharp hinge]

alright ty, trying it this dungeon

[vivid vessel]

if no target, goes on tank

hm

could be a bit dangerous tho

tbh

but thats basically how most things works now

with like pi etc

its all smart targetting this way

[craggy barn]

or they add it to macro capabilities at least

to /@tank

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

sure true

[craggy barn]

zac is bed time 😠

[cinder relic]

Why do people use sprocket as a benchmark for a raid with 1 boss being st

Which is only sprocket btw

[craggy barn]

its bc its simple monkey brain see number

[runic bough]

wew

[craggy barn]

boss only damage is funny

[runic bough]

I turned last second on 3rd boss priory

stun still got me

u have to turn a second before it goes off

ffs

cant last second it

lost adr

[craggy barn]

ping diff

[runic bough]

even with brez was no dmg

rip

no adr

[chilly pebble]

just cloak it no?

[runic bough]

i havnt tried cloaking the stun

[craggy barn]

u cloak the whole blind

[runic bough]

ive seen zac cloak the laser

[craggy barn]

u can do either

[runic bough]

yeah

[craggy barn]

better to cloak laser

[runic bough]

ill try those

i am not doing either of those ye

[vivid vessel]

not really

when im feeling good i can turn last 0.1

[runic bough]

[craggy barn]

ye its just a ping dif

[runic bough]

gg

[craggy barn]

gotta account for ur ling

ping

[chilly pebble]

laser is aoe so if you feel tough you could feint it

[runic bough]

[craggy barn]

how the fuck do i not have a zergling emote

gdi

ok i go bed gn

[viral flume]

haste

[runic bough]

2 more 14's then will ppl invite me to 15's?

have yet to get invited to a 15

im over 3100 now

resil 14's after flood and brew

i donno i feel like those are always my last 2

[wanton parcel]

You’re only getting into 15 DFC if you’re lucky.

The hardest part of jumping to the next tier in keys is getting invited till you’ve done 2-3 keys of that level

Best bet is to run your resil 14 turn it into a 15 and do that. Till you’ve completed 2-3 15s

[runic bough]

i see

[deep cedar]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[sharp hinge]

just the macro you posted and the WA worked flawlessly

[chilly pebble]

i think im to stupid for kir

i cant really figure out when to kir outside of 5 buff

[gaunt phoenix]

as soon as you hit 4 active buffs

you kir and then roll

[chilly pebble]

i see and how much more dps is it over ho?

[gaunt phoenix]

ummm

[chilly pebble]

not that outlaw dps would matter

[gaunt phoenix]

kir is a bit better at big pulls

[chilly pebble]

hm i guess i gotta try that then

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont really

[peak dock]

anyone knows a macro to click small bombs in undermine capo delve?

kick

[chilly pebble]

yea i wont 2 mins at dummys and its already making me worse cause of constant checking buffs

[runic bough]

well ur gonna be looking at your buffs but ull get used to looking at them and the mechanics

practice

your eyes need to develop faster to see everything

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-sharingan-naruto-eyes-fast-movement-gif-15680095

id say the hardest thing is developing this for outlaw because other specs are so slow

[chilly pebble]

well its not like im new to this spec or class

but never played kir

always HO

just enjoy the big haste more i guess

[runic bough]

well kir adds to your looking around stuffs

and keybinds

get used to more things

[chilly pebble]

keybinds? its like 2 more cause it plays ghoststrike in m+ for w/e reason

[runic bough]

yeah 2 more

gs and kir

[chilly pebble]

yea but i think i just stick with HO since its more fun

also i really feel the haste that kir doesnt have

[frigid shale]

kir plays more haste then HO ?

kir gotta be around 18%-20% ho around 8-10

[violet ferry]

outlaw be like

[runic bough]

yes for fatebound, but HO is similar haste with trickster

[chilly pebble]

i went for this

so im at like 18%

[runic bough]

others like 15-16% haste for ho tricks, Im sitting at 19%

its fun ye

[chilly pebble]

yea and with stealth + ala im at like 35%

wich is 10% more then Kir

[runic bough]

the main enemy of our rotation is trolololspree so

I like that the higher haste makes it finish faster

[chilly pebble]

i mean its a pain that that skill is a need i rather play GS

though i have no clue when to press KS xD

[runic bough]

you press ks when window closes

or

when you develop enough awareness, if its low cd, you can pop it before vanish

[chilly pebble]

wich window? my game window?

[runic bough]

trololololspree has corrupted your mind!

WE NEED A MEDIC!

[chilly pebble]

legit so far i barely use it since it feels like a dps loss

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/ems-бсш-gif-16783950689273296602

yeah i felt the same when i started playing it

but

with the right amount of haste

it finishes at a decent pace

and then u just go back to normal rotation until the next trolololspree

but also im not sure

my overalls are lower than the other guys here

[chilly pebble]

i mean my cast time is 2.03

[runic bough]

but still better than a lot of pugs

[chilly pebble]

for 7cp

[runic bough]

yeah whatever you do

just ignore ks

press it when u have to

and dont think about it

its a trap

it will make u rage hard

[chilly pebble]

sounds like a plan cant wait to have it kill me on bosses

[runic bough]

yeah 99% of outlaw deaths are trolololspree.

[chilly pebble]

tbh i already raged hard when i returned from a break since season 1 and saw how bias the tier sets are for most classes

UH/Arcane are cracked and then ours is like we could play with out it and see nearly no difference

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel 1st boss TOP with sanguineblades

[vivid vine]

i ks'd the moment the read line went out on first boss priory ( on me ofc) and landed perfectly right infront of it when the cast went off

good times

[runic bough]

yes ks will hit mechanics on purpose

it searches for them

so you die

[chilly pebble]

please make fatebound great again for m+

i rather play that then KS with trickster

[runic bough]

yeah our main nuke on fatebound has never worked so

another bug they never fixed

small indy company

[chilly pebble]

i mean they removed ER so we can hope

[next shuttle]

Is it normal for Cudgel to be lower dps than a crafted offhand (681 with embellishment) in dungeon slice (using latest)?

[runic bough]

Our damage on fatebound has always been without lucky coin since it was bugged since its launch.

[chilly pebble]

but ngl after playing season 1 with 200/250 energy it feels bad sitting at 150

[runic bough]

never was ever fixed.

[vivid vine]

wait 150

[chilly pebble]

so we dont get our 7% agj?

[runic bough]

i actualy wanna test this with the double stack embelishment

[vivid vine]

have i been playing with wrong talents again

[chilly pebble]

idk maybe i do i just took what wowhead has

[runic bough]

no, lucky coin is a big damage proc and it never works.

[chilly pebble]

hm maybe in the next xpac

[runic bough]

they do not have an active bug finding team so unlikely

seeems they only fix bugs reported by wowhead

[chilly pebble]

using this no clue if its good or bad

[chilly pebble]

they fixed ER

[runic bough]

thats the normal HO build

[chilly pebble]

by removing the skill

[chilly pebble]

yea but he was surprised i only have 150 energy

[runic bough]

Supercharger was a nerf to KiR

[nova sinew]

have to love the visions boss resetting on vanish

[runic bough]

landing on the right cp for ER was fun

fun removed

[chilly pebble]

use the hourglass buddy that fixes it thankfully

[chilly pebble]

sir you mind its corrupted just said ER was fun

sure i played alot of assa when ER was there it still was horseshit

[nova sinew]

doesnt it make the mobs have much more health?

[chilly pebble]

didnt feel like it tbh but then again i didnt look closely

can only tell you how much the guards infront of boss had wich was 7.1 mil but that might be my scaling

[vivid vine]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vine]

anyone know if that luxthos edit has the same kind of RTB logic as the other rtb wa in here? that makes it more obvious when to press rtb

[chilly pebble]

I use luxthos wa but no clue wich logic you mean

[vivid vine]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
( HO build)

• Roll on cooldown until you get a 5 buff. If you have 4 total buffs including CTO, you can choose to keep them until 3, it's not an expected dps loss or gain.

( KIR build)

• Has a concept of buffs being preserved through RTB casts after pressing KIR instead of being rolled off.
• Use this weakaura to see how many buffs you "will lose" by pressing RTB (red or blue border).
• Roll if you will lose between 0-2 buffs.
• Roll if you will lose between 3-4 buffs if they are all below ~10s remaining.
• If you KIR a natural 5 buff, wait until buffs approach ~41s remaining before rolling.

The faq elaborates on these rules.

[vivid vine]

dis

[chilly pebble]

The buffs you get from not rtb are lighted up so you can tell

And rtb lights up if you don't got buffs or only 1 or 2 I think

If that's what you mean

[vivid vine]

like here i don't see kir light upand i don't see if any of the buffs i got are from the set or natural

[runic bough]

yeah the wa pack is not updated for rtb

generic wa pack

[vivid vine]

i like the luxthos packs since i like to swap chars alot so having a common wa layout for all of them is nice

[chilly pebble]

On luxthos you can tell what natural and what isnt until you kir then they are all antural

The not natural have a border on them

[vivid vine]

you mean this little glowy border?

that count the odds procs i think

that's

[chilly pebble]

Yesnt ? On luxthos it's alot more visible though you don't see numbers at least I dont

Wich i should maybe change cause numbers seem good

[visual moat]

bubbling wax is still good in st?

or whetstone is better

[tender wedge]

Technically it’s better by a tiny tiny amount

It’s definitely cheaper

[honest osprey]

does this trinket suffer the same issues as geargrinder's keys not hitting gallywix in middle or last boss of rookery?

[cinder relic]

Gallys hitbox is giant so it should work

[sharp hinge]

this WA is so cool

how have i lived without this

[bright crane]

Just did gally and trinket did expected dps

[shrewd thunder]

the sims are saying not even 671 dng rings are better than cyrclet

is this bait?

[latent oak]

are they vers heavy rings

[visual moat]

do I cleave with flurry if I KS on gallywix? or not since I go to the other side of the room jumping

[tender wedge]

Took a 681 crafted and 671 haste/vers ring to finally drop Circes for me. What you’re seeing isn’t unexpected but like

Assume you’re not seeing Circes 0.1% ahead and being like HOW

Circes good. People are replacing it across quite a range depending on their other gear

Very normal

[shrewd thunder]

ok thanks

will keep

[cinder relic]

[shut lichen]

Unreel

[visual moat]

help pls

[cinder relic]

Its based around your player so I dont think so if it teleports u on the other side

[winged depot]

I downloaded Zac's WA but it seems the icons are cut off for me. anyone an idea as to what might cause this?

Is it screen resolution it was made for being bigger than mine maybe?

[fathom bramble]

Cast ks on an add instead of the boss

[hollow temple]

thats the design of it

to keep more space on screen

[glass mortar]

Zac just likes wa that look like someone squished it

💅

[runic bough]

guys

HO question

i forgot it nvm

ill ask when i remember

has something to do with end of stealth window

but i forgot

will have to play to remember

gg

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

Whatever the question is it's probably in the faq

[runic bough]

hmm

another one was

if spamming rtb for sc worth losing rp?

[ember topaz]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

cuz if i have 2 buff and 1 of them is rp im staying

[frank finch]

for ho?

[runic bough]

I hate rolling again and lose rp just because I dont have 5 buff

[frank finch]

well

then u already know the answer

[runic bough]

some bullshit

[frank finch]

spam until 5

[runic bough]

but we lose dmg if no rp as well

so its a toss up

the only buff i like is rp

[random stirrup]

the only time I like holding buffs is if u just got reset to 1/2cp and one of your buffs is broadside

then u build with broadside and roll at finisher cp

[frail veldt]

Yes

[gaunt phoenix]

the potential that you just instantly get 5 buffs is insane

[frail veldt]

Then you're losing dps

The rules arent made up ryu

They're proven to be DPS increases

[frank finch]

i wanted to say that

but its ryu so

[gaunt phoenix]

it's ok to ask shit

[random stirrup]

mr solo what do you think about SS with 6cp if it would proc coup

bad because overcap cp potentially?

dispatch into low cp coup seems bad if no ps procs

[latent oak]

u only get in that situation if u made a mistake earlier no?

how did u get to 6 cps after the ks

[winged depot]

Do you use raid frame addon as DPS? Its still importannt to track a bit if people are alive/dead right?

[gaunt phoenix]

its fine

happens once every 10 min

it doesnt influence sim dps so you can do it if you want, no way of knowing if it's worth for the iterations it does happen

[frail veldt]

Yeah fair

[random stirrup]

reset to 1cp after ks and then ss procs

or 2cp into 2 ss with broadside

[latent oak]

ya so wouldnt u just dispatch, then normal build into next coup

u wouldnt overcap unless u natty reset

[gaunt phoenix]

no you would dispatch into low coup

[frail veldt]

Well not if you have ub stacks

Then you'd coup low

Which I think is worse

Than wasting 1cp from SS

At least that's my logic

[random stirrup]

for example this scenario if you also procced the 20s UB at a similar time

relatively common if you ended a vanish window -> ks from ace proc -> 3UB ready

[latent oak]

am i mis understanding, if u dispatched into coup, u are still using both the ub stacks without overcapping

ah ya if considering the natty reset

[frail veldt]

Well you could also proc SS with BS and get to 6 cps

And still have two stacks of ub

[random stirrup]

I usually like just building with ss at 6 to get the coup and get back to vanish window

especially in key packs if its gonna die soonish

was wondering if it was bad bad or not

[frail veldt]

Same

[random stirrup]

I saw zac do it once or twice too

[frail veldt]

I find if I delay coup too long I end up blocking another vanish

[random stirrup]

so can't be too bad

[frail veldt]

I honestly just always SS twice after KS

Easy to follow

Dump stacks asap

[vivid vine]

does coup get sent at the cp you get the proc on or does ss up to 6-7?

[gaunt phoenix]

you mostly coup at normal cp

there is an optimization to send coup at whatever cp if you would otherwise press sinister strike

so when ambush/opp/bf/ar/gs isnt ready

[vivid vine]

k so my dumbass ss up from 1 to 6 by pressing ss aint doing it right

it feels shit to do aswell

[rotund zodiac]

[proven ocean]

Ur a coup

[gaunt phoenix]

ty

[proven ocean]

Np

[dense bolt]

morning

[proven ocean]

Good night

(8am)

[wintry solar]

The nerve of that guy and his wrong timezone

Anyways

[tidal sequoia]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[wintry solar]

They should like

[runic bough]

ok guys

[wintry solar]

Hot take

Fix ks

Ikik

[runic bough]

I HAVE ADVANCED HO QUESTION

R U RDY

[wintry solar]

Controversial

Yes

[runic bough]

Audacity procs are wasted if we vanish into ambush. True or false?

It uses the audacity proc on regular ambush

im seeing

so I need to use the audacity ambush first before vanishing

someone confirm?

[wintry solar]

It shouldn't be wasted

But isn't it bugged or something?

[runic bough]

because when I have audacity proc and vanish into ambush the proc is used.

therefor wasted.

[wintry solar]

Idt I noticed that. Ignore me.

[random stirrup]

audacity ambush in stealth is better than normal ambush

it can triple hit

[runic bough]

so its not being wasted?

[random stirrup]

only when u press your ss keybind though

[wintry solar]

Oh that's right, thats the bug.

[tidal sequoia]

!commonerror

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[rotund zodiac]

You should always vanish> bte unless ADR is expiring can vanish into ambush

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[runic bough]

GUYS

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

[tender wedge]

oh here we go

ay good on you

[vivid vessel]

Morning cuh!

[runic bough]

Zac

see my rating

we did it

prob as far as i can get at my level but ill keep trying to go up

lets see

[rotund zodiac]

Ryu is gaming

[runic bough]

the mechanics are starting to get really slow

and they are getting easier to dodge

due to improving skill

cool

[frail veldt]

Nah

You can ignore having audacity in regards to vanish conditions

Only vanish condition as HO trickster is KS > 30S CD and coup isnt ready

Trying to save an audacity proc isn't worth delaying vanish

[runic bough]

trying to use, before vanish**

need to fine tune my rotation for the higher keys

[frail veldt]

yeah im saying you shouldnt play around that

you can let the audacity proc go to waste

its not worth delaying vanish for

[runic bough]

[unkempt dew]

Are we meta yet?

[quasi notch]

@runic bough what’s your ilvl?

[weary fog]

i got messaged this earlier while applying to keys

[runic bough]

677 with cudgel and 679 with heroic capo

[rotund zodiac]

Y bro need outlaw

[weary fog]

bro wanted to run phys comp

he dc'd halfway through the key tho

[shrewd thunder]

why does HO not take deft manuvers

[tidal sequoia]

It can

[weary fog]

ambush is a higher prio builder for HO than BF w/ deft would be

[weary fog]

id rather just have TV, pretty sure deft is usually a dps loss for ho

[wintry solar]

boooooooooooooooooooooooooo